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From YouTube: Historic District Landmark Board Meeting 061021
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Historic District Landmark Board Meeting 061021
A
The
meeting
is
today
june
the
10th
to
2021
and
we're
meeting
at
11
10
houston
street
laredo,
texas.
A
A
B
C
D
C
D
B
Just
a
moment,
we're
we're,
I
guess,
trying
to
get
there.
It's
the
action
item
here
we
go
here,
we
go
there,
we
go.
The
overview
of
the
item
is
the
applicant
is
santo.
Sierra
thunderbird,
real
estate
limited
is
the
owner.
The
property
description
is
901,
ethereum
street
is
located
in
the
historic
residential
office
zone.
The
request
is
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
replace
roofing
materials
from
shingles
to
illuminate
aluminum
proposed
exterior
improvements
require
board
approval.
Eleven
letters
were
sent
out,
none
were
received
either.
Four
are
advanced.
B
This
is
a
location
map.
This
is
an
aerial
view.
This
is
a
street
view.
Also
a
street
view.
This
is
the
roofing
shingles
to
be
replaced.
The
roof
that
you
see
sort
of
highlighted
in
yellow
is
the
location
proposed
for
the
the
roofing
replacements.
B
This
is
pictures,
of
course,
of
damaged
shingles,
the
proposed
roofing
materials
and
color.
You
see
it's
like
a
silvery
white,
the
highlighted
color.
B
And
an
example
of
the
proposed
roofing
materials
staff's
recommendation
staff
was
unable
to
recommend
approval
of
the
proposed
improvements
as
they
are
on
not
compatible
with
the
secretary
of
interior
standards
for
rehabilitation,
illustrate
guidelines
for
rehabilitation
of
historic
buildings
or
the
city's
historic
preservation
plan
and
the
historic
urban
guidelines.
The
proposed
improvements
alter
the
appearance
of
the
roof,
which
should
be
avoided,
do
not
preserve
the
finish
and
appearance
of
the
roof
and
the
replacement
materials
do
not
match
the
old
materials
and
design
color,
texture
and
materials.
B
E
B
You
know
we,
we
did
some
research
and
we
saw
evidence
that
the
shingles
were
there
since
1985..
We
don't
have
any
proof
of
what
materials
were
there
prior
to.
However,
in
this
case,
the
preservation
guidelines
recommend
preservation
of
existing
materials.
So
that's
why
we're
recommending
the
matching
of
the
existing
materials.
D
E
Match
to
match
a
20-year
shingle,
to
put
it
back
as
a
is
actually
it's
bad
for
the
house.
I
mean
we're
talking
about
historic
preservation.
We
want
to
preserve
the
home,
we
want
a
lifetime
roof
and
you
know
I
mean
there's
metal,
hot
there's
metal
roof
all
over
the
historic
districts,
there's
metal,
roofs
all
over
the
historic
district.
And
this
to
me,
I
I
don't
understand
the
recommendation,
because,
because
it's
I
understand
what
you're
saying
in
terms
of
the
rules,
but
this
is
obviously
not
what
was
original
so
and
we're
talking
about
preservation.
F
B
As
I
said,
the
evidence
that
we
were
able
to
retrieve
was
as
early
as
1985
the
shingles
were
there
yeah.
F
G
Would
it
satisfy
the
recommendation
a
little
bit
more
to
help
come
to
some
sort
of
compromise
with
finding
a
lifetime
material,
but
that
looks
a
little
bit
more
than
like.
What's
there
right
now,
like
changing
the
color
going
from
a
red
roof
to
a
metallic
silver,
it
you
know,
will
change
what
we
are
used
to
seeing
for
the
last
35
years.
I
mean
the
the
board
is
within.
D
B
Speak
with
the
texas
historical
commission,
who
also
identified
that
the
replacement
of
existing
materials,
especially
shingles
by
corrugated
roof
metal,
roofs
was
typically
not
recommended
and
the
they
mentioned
that
you
know
even
materials
that
have
been
there.
Quite
some
time
achieve
historical
significance
on
their
own,
and
so
we
we
did
look
at
the
standards
and
guidelines
quite
closely
in
this
case
and
based
our
our
recommendation
on
those
guidelines.
H
There's
a
photo
as
an
example
where
it
says
loan
starts
steel
and
supply,
and
then
it
has
that
metal
roof.
Where
is
that
from.
D
F
A
lot
more
expensive
to
do
something
that
is
approvable
follow
the
interior.
J
J
A
D
E
C
E
E
E
A
A
A
Now
the
gentleman's
correct
there
was
a
grocery
store
in
the
front
part
of
that
property,
the
supermarket,
but
I
don't
think
that's
the
building
that
we're
talking
about
that
supermarket
part
was
was
demolished,
and
so
I
don't
believe
that
had
a
metal
that
may
have
had
a
metal
roof,
but
I
don't
think
the
house
did.
This
is
the
part
that
was
the
actual
home
and
I
think
there
may
be
some
photographic
evidence
in
the
heritage
foundation
files
that
could
confirm
whether
there
was
any
historical
evidence
of
a
metal
roof.
A
We
all
know
the
radio
historic,
laredo
homes,
victorian
homes
are
covered
with
metal
roofs
for
many
many
years,
so
it's
not
completely
out
of
character.
But
if
there
was
some
evidence,
then
I
think
it
would
be
easier
for
us
to
support
this
petition.
So
perhaps
we
could
ask.
Is
there
any
hurry?
Rush
d?
Are
you
concerned
about
rain
damaging
the
structure
if
it's
not
repaired
immediately?
Is
there
some
concern
about
that.
J
Not
that
I
know
again,
I
will
need
to
go
back
to
my
brother.
I
don't
have
the.
I
May
I
volunteer
something:
I've
I've
seen
a
lot
of
what
they
call
phase,
one
studies
when
they
were
looking
for
contaminated
soils
and
stuff
like
that
and
there's
websites
that
are
available
throughout
various
parts
of
texas
that
go.
I
mean
they
go
back
as
far
as
they
can
go
and
is
that
available
has
the
owner?
Do
they
have
any
evidence
showing
that
there
was
at
one
time
a
metal
roof
on
this?
I
Have
they
gone
any
further
than
than
just
just
then
this
request,
because
there
are,
there
are
sites
out
there
that
do
do
that.
I'm
not
trying
to
postpone
this
at
all,
but
it
would
just
it
would
add
legitimacy
to
to
what
you
want
to
do.
I
mean
it
would
make
it
almost
a
slam.
Dunk.
A
There
are
sanborn
fire
insurance
maps
that
may
cover
this
neighborhood
and
the
map
themselves
itself
has
a
like
an
index
or
a
marquee,
a
key
that
shows
materials,
because
it
was
meant
to
ensure
buildings
for
fire
purposes.
So
there
may
be
some
research
that
we
can
help
with
as
a
volunteer.
A
Otherwise,
all
that
we
have
is
what
staff
is
recommending
and
the
current
research
available
to
1985
and
using
that
we
would
probably
have
to
support
staff's
recommendation
without
more
knowledge.
So
what
would
the
applicant
like
to
do
at
this
point?.
H
Middleweight
there
an
opportunity,
maybe
for
for
our
board,
to
say
to
give
staff
an
opportunity
where
we
make
a
motion
and
say:
if
there
is
evidence
of
a
metal
roof,
go
ahead
and
move
forward.
If
there's
not,
then
it
needs
to
be
the
recommendation
that
board
that
the
staff
recommended.
Can
we
make
that
motion?
Yes,
that
way,
we
can
speed
the
process
up
for
the
for
the
applicant.
I.
A
Think
that's
an
excellent
idea.
I
would
like
to.
H
A
yeah
I
would
like
to
make
the
motion
that
if
we
can
find
evidence
that
there
was
a
metal
roof
there
to
give
them
approval
to
move
forward
with
their
plan,
if
there's
not
supported
evidence
of
that,
then
then
we
go
with
the
staff
recommendation
on
this
project.
B
Okay,
just
to
be
clear,
it
would
be
a
motion
to
approve
the
applicant's
proposed
improvements
conditional
to
applicants
submitting
evidence
of
a
metal
roof
previously
existing
at
that
location.
Is
that
correct?
I
think.
That's
yes,
perfect.
E
There
are,
there
is
a
metal
shingle
roof.
There
are
shingles,
they
do
make
shingles
that
are
made
out
of
metal,
but
I
think
they
are
more
expensive
and
that
is
a
more
expensive
option
than
just
a
standard
standard
standing
seam
roof.
If
I'm
not
mistaking
the
spur,
you
might
know
a
little
bit
better
yeah.
I
was
just
trying
to
look
it
up
real
quick
in
the
meantime.
E
I
don't
want
to
make
them
spend
more
money
either.
So
I
I
think
if
we
can
find
evidence,
I
think
that'd
be
the
best.
A
B
I
H
B
If
we
don't
know
that
the
shingles
were
pulled
in
the
80s,
we
just
that's
when
the
evidence
was
that
we
found
pictorial
evidence
of
shingles
on
the
roof
we
they
could
have
been
pulled
years
before
then
we
did
a
little
bit
of
research
of
when
shingles
were
developed
and
it
was
between
1903
and
1911
that
they
were
developed
and
became
popular
right,
so
they
could
have.
C
And
so,
if
someone
put
on
a
roof
like
that,
without
getting
authorization
from
the
city,
then
we
have
to
stick
with
that,
even
though
they
did
it
without
authorization.
B
The
historic
guidelines
taught
focus
very
clearly
on
preservation.
Those
are
the
materials
that
that
exist
currently
and
therefore
the
recommendations
are
always
to
avoid
the
the
changing
changing
of
those
materials
to
preserve
existing
materials
finishes
textures
designs,
so
it's
not
necessarily
based
on
whether
you
know
it
was
a
legal
permit
or
there
are
sorts
of
things.
It's.
A
F
Name
is
david
juarez.
I
live
here
in
the
neighborhood.
I've
been
there
since
60s
and-
and
I
forgot
what
I
was
going
to
say,
but
I
was
just
saying
that
back
then
there
were
no
rules.
There
was
a
beautiful
historical
house
in
front
of
my
house
back
in
the
70s,
more
or
less,
and
somebody
I
mean
well.
I
know
who
came
in
and
demolished
the
beautiful
house
right
in
front
of
my
house,
I
mean
so
so
there
weren't
any
rules.
They
knocked
down
the
church.
Also.
H
G
G
A
It's
very
likely
that
the
original
material
was
wood,
shingle
and
that's
not
allowed
any
longer
for
fire
purposes,
but
there
are
other
options
like
there
are
asphalt,
shingles
that
look
like
wood
shingles
that
could
be
considered
by
the
owner.
So
maybe
the
research
will
help
you
come
up
with
a
better
option.
J
Just
a
quick
question
as
far
as
the
time
that
we
need
to
provide
the
owner
to
be
able
to
try
to
find
the
evidence
is
their
particular
timeline
or.
I
B
I
I
I
A
Next
item
is
discussion
with
possible
action
on
the
following
ordinance
2021-0-091,
as
approved
by
the
city
council
on
may
17
2021
on
second
reading,
which
clarifies
that
not
all
activity
of
a
property
owner
requires
historic
board
review.
Only
activity
which
requires
a
building
permit
and
is
not
considered
repair
or
maintenance
requires
historic
board
review.
A
B
Indulge
us
yes,
please,
we
we
heard
staffs.
B
Pardon
me
the
commission's
request
for
clarification
on
the
ordinance
in
order
to,
I
guess,
discuss
it
and
understand
the
process,
so
we
thought
we
would
go
back
and
give
the
commission
a
bit
of
background
on
how
ordinance
amendments
are
processed
and
initiation
and
the
different
roles
and
responsibilities
of
the
different
entities
involved
in
that
process.
B
So
the
initiation
of
ordinance,
amendments
or
ordinance
or
initiation
of
order
of
amendments
to
the
laredo
pardon
me
lend
land
development
code
section.
The
code
identifies
who
may
initiate
those
ordinance
amendments
and
they
may
be
initiated
by
staff.
B
B
H
B
I'm
having
trouble
reading
it
up
there,
it's
the
section
that
the
land
development
code
identifies
that
the
historic
commission
shall
make
recommendations
to
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
to
the
city
manager
to
city
council
concerning
the
the
adoption
of
policies,
the
sources
of
funds
and
the
designation
of
districts
and
landmarks
that
may
further
the
city's
preservation
efforts.
B
However,
the
the
historic
commission
does
not
consider
the
proposed
use
interior
arrangements,
interior
design
of
any
structure
under
their
purview.
So
if
we
have
a
differentiation
of
responsibilities,
the
planning
and
zoning
commission-
rather
it
is
their
responsibility
to
recommend
a
council
on
zoning
plans.
So
there's
a
there's
a
bit
of
a
difference
there.
B
So
the
purpose
of
the
of
the
ordinance
amendment
was
to
clarify
the
activities
which
require
historic
board
review.
There
was
some
there
was
a
lot
of
question.
There
was
a
lot
of
of
questioning.
What
does
this
account?
Does
this
require
board
review?
Does
this
not
so?
That
was
the
intention
behind
the
ordinance
amendment
also.
B
The
purpose
was
also
to
allow
the
historic
board
to
authorize
staff
to
administratively
approve
items
which
do
require
a
historic
board
review,
but
which
the
commission
feels
comfortable
in
giving
staff
that
authority
to
administratively
approve
those
items
and
and
those
items
have
not
been
identified
yet
prior
to
the
recent
amendment,
the
code
identified,
no
permit
shall
be
issued.
It
talks
about
you
know
for
the
alteration,
construction,
demolition
of
any
structure.
B
It
goes
on
to
again
identify
that
no
permit
shall
be
issued
for
the
installation
of
signs,
so
it
the
code
focused
on
when
permits
could
be
issued
and
it
only
spoke
to
permanent
activity.
But
again
the
interpretation
had
previously
been
that
it
included
all
activity,
not
simply
just
permitted
activity
right.
So
again,
why?
B
You
know
why
was
there
the
ordinance
amendment
seeking
clarity?
B
So
what
the
ordinance
amendment
did
was
to
add
this
following
language
to
the
code,
the
it
identified
that
the
following
activities
are
exempt
from
historic
district,
landmark
board
review
and
it
listed
those
activities.
The
proposed
use,
interior
arrangement
and
interior
design
of
any
structure,
repairs
and
renovations
to
existing
buildings
that
do
not
alter
the
exterior
appearance.
B
B
Previous
interpretations
would
require
coming
to
the
board,
so
we
wanted
to
clarify
that
you
could
get
your
plumbing
fixed
without
having
to
first
come
to
the
board
right.
If
you
have
a
you
know
a
break
in
your
line,
and
you
know
things
like
that
and
then
also
the
the
language
dealing
with
authorizing
staff
to
administratively
approve
and
once
again
that
has
not
been
identified.
B
It
simply
gives
the
board
that
authority,
so
we
wanted
to
go
ahead
and
make
sure
that
we
remember
that
the
first
two
items
a
and
b,
already
existed
in
the
code
already
listed.
That
was
those
were
not
new.
That
is
not
new
language
to
the
code.
It
is
simply
listed
here
to
have
all
the
exemptions
listed
in
one
place,
for
ease
of
use
by
the
public
and
by
staff
right
so
that
we
all
know
where
to
look.
When
you
know
we
are
trying
to
find
out.
B
Does
this
require
review
or
not
right,
the
items
in
the
red
box,
the
that
is
new
language,
the
activities
which
do
not
require
building
permit
and
the
items
the
renovation
repair
of
utilities,
that
is
new
language
and
the
administrative
approval
that
is
new
language.
B
So
what
what
examples?
What
constitutes
permanent
activity
or
non-permanent
activity?
We
just
wanted
to
give
some
examples
of
where
permits
are
required.
So
structural
work
side
up,
screen,
fences,
electrical
fixtures,
roofing
work
and
you
can
see
all
down
the
line
unpermitted
or
things
that
do
not
require
permit
landscaping,
short
fences,
see-through
fences,
non-electrical
fixtures
like
mailboxes
dog,
dog
houses,
things
like
that
doors
and
painting
do
not
require
permit.
B
So
we
wanted
to
give
you
the
background,
and
now
this
I
really
I'm
going
to
have
trouble
seeing
the
background
just
to
bring
everybody
up
to
date
on
the
history
of
how,
where
the,
how
the
ordinance
proceeded
through
the
process
on
april
8
2021
the
historic
landmark
board,
we
had
a
meeting
and
staff
presented
the
proposed
ordinance
in
a
7-0
vote.
B
So
at
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
staff
presented
of
I'm
sorry
april,
15th
staff
presented
the
proposed
ordinance
as
well
as
the
recommendation
of
the
historic
board
in
a
5-0
vote.
The
commission
recommended
approval
of
the
proposed
ordinance
without
changes
at
the
may
3rd
city
council
meeting,
the
introductory
reading
of
the
ordinance
staff
again
presented
the
proposed
ordinance
and
presented
both
staffs
recommendation.
B
The
historic
boards
recommendation,
as
well
as
the
planning
and
zoning
commission's
recommendation
in
an
820
vote
council
recommended
pardon
me,
voted
to
approve
the
introduction
of
the
ordinance
and
then
on
may
17th
a
final
reading.
They
voted
final
approval
of
the
ordinance
without
changes.
Pardon
me,
that's
that's
important.
B
We
just
wanted
to
go
ahead
and
highlight
we
included
a
copy
of
the
staff
report
that
was
presented
to
council
and
you
can
see
the
language
there.
The
historic
board
recommendation
that
was
listed
for
the
council,
as
well
as
the
planning
and
zonings
recommendation.
B
Both
of
those
were
highlighted
in
the
staff
report
and
and
the
minutes
indicate
that
at
the
may
3rd
meeting
there
was
approximately
14
people
that
came
for
the
council
to
express
their
support
for
the
proposed
ordinance
and
the
vote.
You
see
there
an
8-0
vote.
They
voted
unanimously
to
recommend
or
introduce
that
that
ordinance
and
then
on
the
may,
17th
vote.
B
You
have
the
vote
there,
seven
to
zero
vote
to
recommend
or
to
approve
final,
the
final
approval
of
the
ordinance
without
changes.
I
think
that's
it
absolutely.
I
As
I
recall,
we
did
leave
some
stuff
unpinched
with
this
ordinance.
We
left
you
with
you
with
the
authority
to
do
administrative
approvals,
but
we
didn't
identify
what
those
are
going
to
be.
Yet
those
are
not
codified.
B
I
I
Well,
I
guess
what
the
next
step
would
be
at
your
convenience
is:
what
does
staff
recommend
are
the
items
that
should
be
that
we
need
to
look
at
that
can
be
administratively
approved
and
and
maybe
even
those
that
that,
in
your
opinion,
shouldn't
should
always
come
in
front
of
this
board
so
that
we
can
finish
this
out
correctly,
because
it's
just
kind
of
like
a
half
repair,
we're
not
done
yet.
G
I
G
I
think
before
we
even
get
to
that,
we
need
to
it's
because
if
you
all
recall
this
meeting,
we
came
to
a
compromise
between
what
mr
snyderman
wanted
and
what
the
majority.
I
believe
we
voted
a
majority
vote
on
doors,
windows
and
fencing
at
the
end,
because
if
you
look
at
the
ordinance
one
of
those
line
items
I
think
makes
this
change
extremely
vague,
extremely
vague
and
will
only
cause
more
confusion
and
will
allow
opportunities
for
the
board
to
be
not
necessarily
consistent
in
their
within
their
decision
making.
G
So
the
one
that
I
am
talking
about
is
repairs
and
renovations
to
existing
building
which
do
not
alter
exterior
appearance.
Miss
priscilla
over
there
had
mentioned
that
she
had
contacted
the
thc
and
that
they
recommended
that
we
specify
things
like
paint,
and
she
brought
up
good
reasons
why
that
was.
She
could
talk
about
that
in
a
little
bit,
but
it's
important
to
say
well.
Do
you
think
that
painting
a
home
whether
we
agree
with
it
or
not?
G
If
it
doesn't
it
it
the
ordinance,
the
way
that
it
was
written
before,
which
was
an
ordinance
that
had
been
worked
on
for
many?
Many
many
boards,
many
years
and
now
I
know
that
we
had
mr
snyderman
want
to
make
these
recommendations
beca.
He
had
a
vision
for
the
historic
landmark
board,
whatever
that
may
be,
whether
we
agreed
with
it
or
not,
but
he's
no
longer
here
anymore.
So
we
don't
know
what
that
vision
will
be
in
the
future.
G
We
have
a
new
planning
director
coming
in
and
a
brand
new
ordinance
that
has
now
been
changed
from
what
has
what
was
there
before
it
was
concrete,
and
we
have
this
line
in
there
that
says,
repairs
and
renovations
to
existing
buildings
which
do
not
alter
the
exterior
appearance.
What
I
might
think
alters
the
exterior
appearance,
mr
gonzalez,
or
over.
There
might
not
agree
to
that.
Also,
so
you
know
there
is
a
conflict
there.
He
might
say.
Well,
I
don't
think
painting
my
house
is
is
a
change
to
the
exterior.
G
G
Yes,
we
need
to
make
it
easier
for
the
applicant.
We
need
to
change
the
guidelines
to
be
easier
to
understand
and
easier
to
process.
I
think
this
just
made
it
worse.
That
is
my
personal
opinion.
I
think
it's
a
step
back
and
I
think
if,
if
this
is
the
way
the
ordinance
is
going
to
be
presented,
it's
going
to
it's
going
to
open
up
a
can
of
worms,
and
I
think
that
we
it
was
rammed
through
along
with
a
lot
of
other
ordinances.
G
If
you
look
at
the
paper,
it's
just
pages
of
ordinances
being
passed
through,
but
you
know
mr
snyderman
is
not
no
longer
here.
We
don't
know
what
the
new
director's
gonna
want,
and
you
know
I.
I
just
think
that
this
change,
just
you
know
it's
unfortunate-
that
it
didn't
take
the
consideration
of
what
this
board
is.
Gonna
have
to
deal
with
in
the
future.
E
Well,
I
mean,
I
think
the
clarity
was
given.
It
was
very
unclear
before
because
we
had
things
like
well.
Can
we
allow
pink
paint?
Can
we
not
allow
pink
paint
for
my
neighbor
has
a
pink
pink
house?
I
mean
it
was
very
confusing
before
it
wasn't
at
all
clear
clear.
Now,
it's
very
clear
you
can
paint
your
house
whatever
color
you
want.
G
No,
but
this
but
listen
to
it,
that
does
not
alter
the
exterior
that
doesn't
say
that
you
can
paint
it
whatever
color
you
want.
That
does
not
alter
the
appearance.
You're
saying
that
painting
a
house
if
it
was
white
to
pink
is
not
altering
the
appearance.
I
beg
to
differ,
which
is
it
is
not
clear.
That's
what
I'm
trying
to
say
there
is
no
clear
definition.
There
is
no
clear
line
of
this
is
right,
and
this
is
wrong.
This
is
based
on
opinion.
I
think
it
changes
the
appearance
you
do
not
that
that
is.
A
Well,
I
would
think
change
if
you're
changing
the
appearance.
If
your
house
is
pink,
mr
gonzalez
and
you're
going
to
paint
it
pink,
then
you're
not
changing
the
appearance,
but
if
you
decide
to
paint
it
purple,
that
is
a
change,
so
that
qualifies
that
request
to
come
before
this
board,
but
now
we've
added
building
permit
as
a
as
an
ore
right.
A
So
I'm
I'm
concerned
about
that
because,
as
I
mentioned
at
that
first
meeting
when
this
was
brought
to
to
the
board
the
words
building
permit
are
not
mentioned
in
our
ordinance.
The
word
permit
is
so
someone
in
turn
interpreted
the
word
permit
to
equal
building
permit,
and
that
is
not
true.
A
Other
cities,
as
ms
guerra
can
probably
tell
you,
new
orleans
has
certificate
of
appropriateness
and
you
go
to
a
building
in
a
historic
area
that
is
being
improved
and
it'll
have
some
paper
this
big,
that
the
public
can
read
telling
you
that
whatever
work
they're
doing
in
that
building
has
been
certified
to
have
been
appropriate.
That
work
was
certified
to
be
appropriate.
Well,
we
don't
have
that
language
here.
A
Whoever
wrote
this
just
wrote
permit
so,
in
other
words,
someone
coming
to
our
board
asking
to
change
the
roof
is
going
to
receive
our
permission
to
make
that
change.
So
that
is
what
it
means
by
permit,
not
building
permit,
which
is
a
city
building
department
function,
not
a
historic
district,
landmark
board
function,
and
so,
when
we
pursued
this
change
to
add
building
permit
to
our
language,
I
think
was
incorrect,
inappropriate
and
it
only
confused
the
public
more.
I
don't
know
how
anyone
in
the
community
can
find
out
what
requires
a
building
permit.
A
If
you
go
and
you
study
the
city
website,
you
don't
get
a
clear
definition:
people
are
going
to
interpret
on
their
own,
whatever
they
think
requires
a
building
permit
or
not,
and
that's
how
they're
going
to
make
the
decision
whether
they
come
to
the
planning
staff
to
get
a
to
make
an
application
they're
going
to
interpret
on
their
own
whether
they
need
a
building
permit
whatever?
That
means.
H
About
with
mr
kirby,
when
he
was
thinking
of
all
of
this
my
background,
I'm
with
main
street,
we
one
the
number
one
thing
that
we
talk
about
is
preservation
and
restoration
of
any
historic
building.
That's
what
that's
what
we
do,
but
we
also
think
about
economic
development
and
how
incentivizing
development
and
restoration
for
so
people
can
actually
use
the
buildings
instead
of
them,
you
know
not
being
used,
so
that's
just
so.
You
guys
can
have
a
background
on
my
comments.
H
When
I
was
talking
to
kirby
about
this,
I
said
I
agreed
with
with
the
route
that
he
took.
I
also
agreed
with
the
the
position
the
board
took
as
far
as
saying,
except
for
painting
doors,
and
there
was
another
one
on
there.
I
can't
remember
what
it
was
fences,
okay,
so
so
I
came
to
the
agreement
on
that
as
well,
because
I
I
can
understand
the
vision
behind
that.
H
H
So,
for
instance,
main
street
is
a
resource
for
anybody
in
the
downtown
area,
there's
other
historic
districts
and
other
areas,
but
if,
if
the
department
or
if
main
street,
whatever
could
be
partner
with
this
commission
in
any
way
to
give
resources,
so
one
of
the
resources
that
we
do
is
design
assistance
and
what
we'll
do
is
we'll
go
out
to
the
property,
we'll
take
photos
we'll
send
it
over
to
austin,
which
is
the
headquarters
for
the
texas
main
street
program,
and
then
they'll
do
research
and
everything
on
what
is
appropriate
for
that
building.
H
So
how
I
see
historic
buildings
is
anybody?
That's
willing
to
invest
in
that
property
in
the
first
place,
wants
to
do
it
because
they
want
to
do
it
for
the
right
purposes.
They
know
that
it's
a
beautiful
building
they
want
to
do.
They
want
to
make
sure
that
it
comes.
You
know,
comes
back
to
life
for
the
majority
times
right
and
I'm
not
going
to
say
every
single
time,
but
for
the
majority,
that's
what
you
see
when
people
buy
properties
in
historic
districts.
H
I
do
think
that
there's
another
component
there
that
that
we're
missing
is
that
resource
where,
when,
when
somebody
as
a
property
owner
goes
hey,
I'm
in
the
downtown
or
I'm
in
the
historic
district,
what
resources
do
I
have
so
that
if
I
want
to
paint
my
house
how
what
where?
Where
can
I
go?
You
know-
and
I
think
that's
a
component
that
we're
missing,
because
I
think
we're
relying
too
much
on
this
commission
to
make
those
those
approvals.
A
We
could
invite
the
texas
historical
commission
to
come
and
do
workshops
on
how
to
improve
your
windows
without
having
to
tear
them
out
your
doors,
your
your
paint,
colors,
etc
your
roof,
but
we
need
to
promote
that.
We
need
to
build
that
in,
and
you
know
when
we're
talking
about
requiring
we're
telling
people
about.
Oh,
if
you
don't
need
a
building
permit,
then
you
can
do
this
work.
How
are
we
educating
people.
D
H
G
G
If
it's
within
a
certain
range
of
color,
you
know
they
can
paint,
we
can
create
a
palette
and
say:
okay,
here's
a
hundred
colors
that
you
can
choose
from
all
the
way
from
pink
to
blue,
to
whatever
you
make
the
decision.
We
won't
say
anything
or
for
this
this
week
we
we
built
it
into
our
recommendation
to
be
able
to
give
staff
more
authority,
but
for
us
to
still
have
some
sort
of
because
it
is,
we
are
appointed
with
this
responsibility.
G
G
Okay,
let's
mask
let's
it's
like
a
master
plan,
let's
strategically
plan,
how
we're
going
to
do
public
education,
public
outreach,
incorporating
the
new
ordinance,
rewriting
the
guidelines
and
giving
staff
the
authority
to
let
some
of
these
applications
go
through
without
coming
to
us
in
a
way
that
we
can
still
say.
Okay,
this
is
still
falling
in
line
with
the
standard
fault,
making
sure
that
it
falls
in
line
with
the
standard
is
our
responsibility
and.
A
I
think
that
the
ordinance,
the
way
it
was
written
previously,
which
states,
repairs
and
renovations
to
existing
buildings
which
do
not
alter
the
exterior
appearance,
already
includes
everything
that
we
stand
for
if
you're
going
to
alter
the
exterior
appearance
in
any
way,
then
that
request
should
come
to
this
board
or
to
staff
if
we
had
so
designated
that
or
delegated
that
authority
to
staff,
and
so
adding
the
words
not
requiring
a
building
permit
just
adds
more
confusion
to
it.
Well,
winning
what
does
require
a
building
permit
and
that
was
not
necessary.
H
H
Yeah
and
then
that's
where,
as
the
board,
we
all
said,
okay
painting
indoors
and
even
the
fencing
would
be
because
technically
the
way
that
I
would
read
it
before
without
the
the
verbiage
that
there
is
now
is
like
even
landscaping.
I
mean
that
that
was
also
a
huge
thing
like
as
a
as
a
property
owner.
If
every
time
I
want
to
do
some
type
of
change
to
my
landscape,
I
mean
that's
also
right.
I
have
to
wait
a
month
to
come,
and
then
you
know
I.
D
H
G
G
I
know
that
when
we
speak,
I
I
know
that
we
have
several
people
here
that
have
investment
in
the
saint
peter's
district,
but
there
are
other
districts
that
we
need
to
be
thinking
about:
the
old
mercado,
el
azteca
national
register
district
to
some
extent
with
demolitions
and
stuff.
So
when
we
think
about
some
of
these
things,
we
have
to
think
about
all
of
the
different
districts
which
we
also
have
proposed,
having
several
different
guidelines
for
different
districts,
and
it's
just
something
that
we
have
to
talk
about.
G
But
the
whole
point
was
that
when
this
ordinance
was
brought
to
us,
it
was
brought
on
very
quickly
without
other
factors
that
needed
to
be
considered.
We
changed
an
ordinance
with
nothing
there
to
support
it
with
educational
materials.
It
just
changed
it.
You
know
it
made
it
more
vague
and
told
everybody
go
do
whatever
you
want
to
do,
but
we
have
a
responsibility.
G
I
I
think
that
the
way
this
passed
without
our
recommendation-
I
you
know
I
I
did
watch
the
meeting
and
our
recommendation
was
read,
but
as
far
as
at
least
giving
us
some
credibility
for
it
it
there,
it
wasn't
there
and
again
being
the
person
appointed
responsible
for
carrying
out
what
the
preservation
plan
entails
me
to
carry
out.
I
just
I
would
have
liked
our
recommendation
to
be
included
in
that.
A
The
way
this
stands,
our
family
owns
a
1909
building
in
the
saint
peter's
district.
If
we
were
to
remove
the
beautiful
1909
door
and
put
in
a
metal
aluminum
door,
we
could
do
that
and
we
would
be
destroying
the
facade
of
that
historic
building,
the
architectural
integrity
of
that
building.
That
should
not
be
allowed
just
because
we're
we
don't
have
to
get
a
building
permit
to
change
our
front
door
yeah.
So.
I
We're
arguing
about
an
ordinance
that
has
already
passed,
though.
Yes,
yes,
okay.
Well
I
mean,
then
we
then
make
a
motion
to
to
to
amend
it.
I
mean,
but
it
sounds
like
like
some
people
are
upset,
we're
talking.
E
G
Right
but
you
know
if
that
would
be
a
thing.
I
guess
that
does
have
to
come
to
the
board,
because
if
the,
if
people
are
unanimous
about
okay
well,
they
they
have
some
sort
of
safety
issues,
so
they
need
a.
What
do
you
call
it?
A
chain
link
fence,
and
I
don't
agree
with
it
with,
but
the
majority
of
it
does.
Then
it
goes
forward,
but
if
it,
if
the
majority
of
the
board
does
not
agree
with
it,
then
it
does
not,
but
that
it
does
depend
on
the
circuit.
It'll
depend
on
the
circumstance.
D
E
A
Why
every
property
is
the
same?
Not
every
historic
district
is
the
same.
That's
why
the
color
purple
may
be
totally
inappropriate
for
my
building,
but
it
may
be
appropriate
for
yours.
It
depends
on
where
you
are
what
your
architectural
style
is.
Can
you
see
it
from
the
street
there's
so
many
factors.
I
I
just
want
to
say
this:
I
mean
we're
speaking
of
a
lot
of
grievances
that
we
did
recommend
and
it
just
went
through.
They
just
talked
about
it,
whether
you
are
against
that
recommendation
or
not.
Now
that's
one
thing,
but
in
order
to
do
something,
if
we
want
to
be
we're
just
com,
you
know
we're
we're
complaining.
If
we
want
to
change
it
again,
we
can
change
it
again.
Let's
tell
staff
to
to
go,
go
ahead
here.
Please.
B
Of
the
planning
zoning
commission
and
by
the
city
council,
so
unfortunately,
this
body
does
not
have
the
authority
to
initiate
order.
A
G
A
I
think
our
only
option
is
jazz
staff
if
they
will
consider
making
the
amendment-
and
I
would
like
to
ask.
D
B
Commissioner,
nance
is
correct.
The
ordinance
has
been
approved
by
council
the
recommendations.
This
board
did
vote
on
it.
They
recommended
approval
with
the
proposed
amendments,
those
amendments,
the
recommendation
of
this
commission,
as
well
as
the
planning
zoning
commission
were
brought
before
the
council.
H
So
I
think
what
we,
I
guess,
the
only
thing
really
what
we
can
do
if
the
planning
and
zoning
department
won't
go
back
up
to
see
if
they
can
alter
that
or
change.
It
is
start
to
provide
those
resources
that
we
were
talking
about,
because
I
think
that's
what's
going
to
be
the
most
important
next
step
for
somebody,
that's
interested
in
doing
any
changes
to
their
property
is
providing.
J
G
We
could
figure
out
if
it
doesn't
go
through
planning
and
zoning.
I
I
think,
and-
and
I
mean
whether
you
all
agree
with
me
or
my
point
of
view
or
not.
G
G
I
know
that
the
people
in
the
business
district
feel
one
way,
and
I
know
people
in
the
saint
peter's
district
felt
another
way,
but
when
they
became
historic
districts,
they
endorsed
it
and
they
supported
a
preservation
plan
being
brought
in
and
the
problem
was
that
it
was
just
not
being
implemented.
G
G
I
asked
I've
had
asked
this
question
now
for
two
years
since
kirby's
been
here,
have
any
monies
been
put
towards
historic
preservation
efforts
as
far
as
planning
and
zoning
go,
and
he
said
no
and
it's
not
going
to
happen
so
yeah.
When
we
talk
about
resources,
I
know
my
organization
also.
We
have
a
preservation
kit
that
we
give
out
for
all
the
different
historic
districts.
G
We
we,
you
know
it's
something
that
the
city
needs
to
invest
in,
because
if
not
then
yeah,
this
ordinance
just
pretty
much
undid
a
lot
of
work
that
many
people
for
many
years
have
have
been
working
towards.
So
I
I
think
I
don't
know
if
you
know
planning
and
zoning,
hopefully
the
new
director
will
meet
with
us
and
you
know
maybe
that's
the
way
to
do
it.
I
might
have
an
opinion.
Mr
gonzalez
might
have
another
one,
but
you
know
it's
it's
good.
G
G
Well
because
it
wasn't
being
implemented
correctly,
if
you
look
at
the
preservation
plan,
I
don't
know
if
you've
ever
given
a
copy,
there
are
line
items
in
there.
What
county
heritage
foundation
is
in
charge
of
doing
this,
the
historical
commission
is
in
charge
of
doing
this.
City
planning
department
is
in
charge
of
doing
this,
and
every
single
one
of
those
items
had
a
money
value
to
it.
G
E
G
A
E
I
agree
100
percent
there
need
I
mean
you
guys,
I
own
several
homes
and
it's
I've,
never
gotten
a
packet
about
preservation.
I've
never
gotten
reached
out
to
by
anybody
hey.
This
is
the
proper
way
on
how
to
do
it.
Here's
some
help.
Let
me
show
you
it's
it's
hard
and
you
know
this.
Your
electric
bill
must
be
a
thousand
dollars
in
the
summer
because
you
can't
keep
cold
air
in
the
house.
E
D
E
I
mean
it's
it's
hard
to
own
one
of
these
buildings.
I
would
love
it
more
than
anything,
because
I
would
benefit
from
it
to
get
these
programs
in
place,
let's
figure
out
a
way.
How.
A
Okay,
so
if
we
wanted
to
meet
with
our
new
planning
director,
how
would
we
do
that.
B
Of
course,
you'll
have
to
come
to
the
to
the
next,
the
next
up
his
work
meeting,
but
if
you
would
not
like
to
meet
with
him
in
his
office
when
he
assumes
his
his
role,
you
know
I'm
you
know
you
could
reach
out
to
him
or
he
could
reach
out
to
you
either
way.
A
G
Think
we
should
bring
a
topic
like
this
to
every
single
meeting,
where
we
work
towards
a
strategic
plan
for
for
this
committee
and
to
consider
ordinances.
I
guess,
based
on
what
the
next
meeting
is.
You
know
that
becky
could
say
vanessa
this
time,
we're
going
to
talk
about
the
ordinance
or
this
time
we're
going
to
talk
about
outreach.
G
You
know
so
that
we
can
prepare
ourselves
so
that
we
can
also
give
you
all
stuff,
just
you
know
to
show.
Maybe
what
it
is
that
we're
talking
about.
I
don't
mind
doing
the
work
as
far
as
that
goes.
That's
what
I
do
on
a
daily
basis,
anyways
so
yeah.
I
think
that
would
be
good
where
we
have
some
sort
of
workshop
between
us
so
that
we
can
get
to
developing
something
that
works
a
little
bit
better.
G
Right,
an
item
on
the
agenda
to
discuss
different
topics
in
pertaining
to
strategic
planning
for
historic,
landmark
board.
A
G
We
okay,
I
move
to
for
now
from
now
on,
to
always
have
an
action
item
on
the
agenda
to
work
on
policy
development
for
the
historic
landmark.
E
A
I
To
that
is
because
you
can
barely
make
quorum
and
then
at
any
time,
and
then
you
could
you're
ready
to
to
do
exactly
what
you
did
that
you
didn't
like
what
happened
with
mr
steinman.
Where
were
then
at
that
day,
you're
like
hey,
let's
recommend
this
one
off.
You
know
it
would
be
better.
I
Like
hey,
everybody
involved,
we're
getting
ready
to
recommend
policy,
and
it's
it's
on
the
you
know
not
just
an
open
agenda
item
just
floating
around
waiting
for
all
the
people
that
are
on
your
side
to
be
here
and
you're
like
all
right
today's
the
day
and
then
you
and
you
knock
something
out
and
that
can
go
either
way
on
on
what
you
want.
I'm
just
saying
like:
if
we're
going
to
talk
about
policy,
let's
make
a
specific
agenda,
not
just
an
open,
ended
every
single
meeting.
You
know
we're
ready
to
strike
kind
of
thing.