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From YouTube: Historical District/Landmark Board Meeting, 08/11/2022
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Historical District/Landmark Board Meeting, 08/11/2022
A
B
D
A
Public
hearing
and
consideration
of
a
motion
to
approve
the
construction
of
a
new
commercial
structure
for
pnc
bank
and
atms
and
the
erection
of
multiple
attached
and
freestanding
signs
in
lot.
4
5,
6
and
7
block
44
western
division
located
at
805
and
801
fairgood
street
and
700
san
bernardo
avenue
in
the
old
mercado
historic
district.
E
Okay,
community
agenda
6a,
the
overview
of
the
applicant
is
pnc
bank,
national
association,
they're,
the
owner
and
the
applicant
charles
pentangle
is
the
representative
for
this
case.
Property
descriptions,
lots
4,
5,
6
and
7
block
44
western
division
located
at
805
and
801
fargate
street
and
700
san
bernardino
avenue
in
the
h,
a
e
zone,
historic
arts
and
entertainment
within
the
old
mercado
historic
district.
E
E
E
The
proposed
new
construction
of
the
pnc
bank
uses
materials
that
are
not
compatible
with
the
other
historic
buildings
within
the
district.
Thus
it
does
not
preserve
the
on-site
historic
structure
present.
The
proposed
scope
of
work
interferes
with
the
historic
integrity
of
the
property
and
its
environment.
E
In
addition,
the
proposed
signage
of
the
pnc
atms
is
not,
in
conformance
with
the
current
sign
ordinance
201704.
The
proposed
pnc
atm
signage
height
is
18
feet,
934
inches
the
free
standing
signs
in
the
historic
districts
allow
for
a
maximum
height
of
15
feet.
The
direction
of
signage
does
not
recognize
nor
enhance
the
historic
character
of
the
different
districts
as
per
the
city
of
laredo,
historic
urban
design
guidelines
and
the
attack
sign
does
not
comply
with
the
city
of
laredo.
His
urban
design
guidelines.
Business
signs
on
the
buildings
shall
be
limited.
A
B
So,
madam
chair,
we
did
have
a
meeting.
The
very
nice
they
came
over
to
our
office
did
kind
of
a
pre
preliminary
development
meeting
with
us
to
just
discuss
some
areas
and
in
the
process.
B
One
of
the
suggestions
we
had
was
hopefully
kind
of
giving
some
accent
to
the
building
that
kind
of
would
kind
of
match
the
building
the
plaza
bill.
I
call
it
the
possibility,
the
big
building,
the
red
brick,
something
that
would
give
it
some
kind
of
connection
to
the
historic
buildings
and
so
that
that
was
kind
of
the
discussion
we
had
there
was.
There
was
talk
about
yeah.
We
could
do
stuff
like
that.
You
know,
unfortunately,
what
was
presented
to
us
doesn't
have
any
kind
of
any
of
those
features.
B
So,
in
our
opinion
it
just
didn't.
There
was
no
attempt
to
try
to
to
do
that.
We
talked
about
the
carriage
building
and
protecting
the
entrance.
The
the
layout
has
three
atms.
We
suggest-
maybe
one
atm,
if
anything,
to
try
to
kind
of
distance
the
atm
from
the
carriage
building,
so
those
kind
of
things
just
weren't
weren't,
taken
into
consideration
from
our
discussion
to
the
layout
of
the
plans.
The
plans
are
exactly
what
was
presented
to
us
the
first
time,
so
it
didn't
really.
B
C
G
Yeah,
oh,
you
guys
are
fancy
good
afternoon
everyone.
My
name
is
charles
pantankama,
representative
for
pnc
bank.
My
colleague
here
is
dana
poland
testa
with
gpd
architecture,
we're
here
today
to
speak
on
behalf
of
pnc
and
some
of
the
comments.
Orlando,
thank
you
for
those,
and
maybe
I
can
help
speak
to
some
of
the
details
and
the
articulations
on
the
recommendation
that
was
provided
this
afternoon.
So
first
off.
G
I
want
to
say
thank
you
for
the
time
pnc
prior
to
that
was
bva
was
prior
to
that
was
laredo
national.
We
we
take
pride
in
in
the
time
that
we've
spent
here
since
1953,
and
we
want
to
continue
the
growth
of
the
relationship
as
we
we
find.
The
relationship
is
the
bedrock
of
any
good
bank
here
in
any
jurisdiction
and
to
be
here
since
1953.
G
We
we
take
pride
in
this,
and
we
want
to
take
a
a
very
good
effort
in
providing
you
know:
growth
of
employees
while
at
the
same
time
integrating
our
our
our
prototype
within
within
the
country,
while
at
the
same
time
integrating
some
of
y'all's
materials.
G
The
best
way
we
could
in
a
in
a
modern
hybrid
approach,
and
what
orlando
mentioned
on
the
3d
renderings
that
I
had
with
our
pre-application,
is
the
prototype
that
we
have
throughout
our
company
nationwide.
However,
there
is
variations
in
the
color
palette,
the
metal
versus
wood,
the
nichija
versus
the
brick.
The
color
patterns
are
slightly
different
based
on
the
region
that
we're
in.
G
G
But
overall,
our
intent
is
to
come
with
open
arms.
Here
you
know
continue
the
the
relationship
of
pnc
with
the
city.
We
have
employees
here,
they've
been
here,
30,
40
50
years
and
talking
to
them,
face
to
face
and
hearing
their
joy
and
their
relationships
with
the
customers
here
over
time.
We
want
to
continue
that
relationship.
G
G
As
you
can
see,
our
growth
is
here
we're
here
to
stay,
and
you
know
having
this
lot
east
of
this
parking
garage.
We
thought
we
could
add
value
to
this
because
right
now,
currently
it's
a
carriage
house
by
day
which
we
intend
to
fully
keep
intact.
We
in
fact,
want
to
add
maybe
some
added
fencing
to
that
to
match
the
existing
fencing.
That's
around
the
perimeter
as
today.
G
Dana
will
speak
to
that,
but
currently
it's
just
being
used
as
a
parking
lot
for
for
the
adjacent
property
and
by
adding
this
building,
we
intend
to
add
new
jobs,
new
tax
dollars,
added
growth,
new
customers
and-
and
this
is
just
the
beginning
of
what
we
believe
to
be
a
good-
a
good
bedrock
for
continued
growth
in
in
the
area,
and
so
I'm
going
to.
Let
dennis
speak
to
some
of
the
material
finishes.
G
So
they're,
complementary
in
design
she'll
speak
about
that
she'll
talk
about,
maybe
the
pavers
that
we
want
to
integrate
to.
Basically
reflect
what's
there
existing
at
the
carriage
house
today,
we'll
we'll
wrap
the
building
with
pavers
to
match
existing.
Regarding
the
additional
comments
regarding
the
signage,
I
believe
we
sent
in
a
updated
sign
plan,
but
neither
neither
way
we're
glad
to
accommodate
any
type
of
signage
code
to
to
make
proper
visibility
and
to
reflect
the
st
the
carriage
house
that
is,
as
it
is
today
so
signage.
G
We
can
definitely
work
with
the
halo.
We
can
definitely
work
with
remediating,
but
as
far
as
the
actual
building
structure,
our
goal
is
to
integrate,
like
I
said,
the
the
elements
that
dana
will
will
will
reflect,
but
to
have
continuous
palette
in
other
jurisdictions
that
we
have
in
the
country,
as
we
do
have
a
major
role
out
of
several
hundred
of
these
throughout
the
country,
not
to
mitigate
the
importance
of
the
historical
board,
because
we
do
take
great
pride
in
wanting
to
be
here
so
with
that
said,
dana.
G
D
You
thank
you
hi
again,
I'm
dana
vulpintesta
with
gpd
we're
the
architect
of
record
assisting
pnc.
With
this
project.
I
did
bring
material
samples,
then
I'm
happy
to
pass
around
if
that's
acceptable.
If
you'd
like.
D
This
one
is
good
right
right
there
yeah.
So
on
behalf
of
pnc,
I
will
speak
a
little
bit
about
the
site
plan
and
the
intentions
behind
maintaining
the
preservation
of
the
carriage
house
on
the
site.
The
carriage
house
is
in
the
blue
square
and
there's
existing
brick
pavers
around
it.
As
you
know,
the
intention
that
pnc
has
is
to
continue
that
brick
paver
design
and
style
in
their
their
sidewalk
and
entrance
to
the
the
bank
facility,
which
is
shown
in
orange
there
and
then
intention
is
to
tie
those
two.
D
So
the
oh,
that
is
louder.
Sorry
about
that.
So,
as
I
was
saying,
the
intention
for
that
pnc
has
here
is
to
take
those
papers
around
the
carriage
house
and
replicate
that
around
that
orange
square,
which
is
the
proposed
pnc
bank
building
and
bring
those
two
elements
together
cohesively.
D
D
That
would
be
that
would
work
well
in
this
particular
climate
and
the
intention
there
is
to
align
with
the
historical
board
guidelines
of
adding
landscaping
in
open
areas
that
we
read
in
the
in
the
document
provided
additionally
on
the
right
side
of
the
orange
box.
There
closest
to
the
sidewalk
and
along
santa
ursula
avenue
would
be
trees
and
some
additional
grassy
landscaping
along
the
edge
of
the
building.
D
Additionally,
as
part
of
the
guidelines,
maintaining
curb
cuts
wherever
possible
was
something
noted
and
pnc
would
like
to
maintain
and
just
widen
the
entrance
and
exit
curb
cuts
to
the
facility
to
the
parcel
right
now.
So
you
can
see
on
the
plan
north
and
planned
south.
Those
curb
cuts
would
be
as
closely
maintained
as
possible
for
safe
and
compliant
accessibility
and
not
increasing
any
additional
entrances
off
santa
ursula
avenue
as
well.
D
Could
you
go
to
the
rendering
yeah?
Of
course
thank
you.
Any
questions
on
the
site
and
charles
also
discussed
the
fence
as
well.
There's
a
current
wrought
iron
fence
around
the
perimeter
of
the
parking
lot
right
now,
which
pnc's
intention
would
be
to
add
that
around
the
carriage
house
for
protection
and
to
match
it.
So
it
preserves
that
wrought
iron.
Look.
D
From
the
perimeter
of
the
bank
that
the
intention
is
to
keep
that
fence,
okay
and
as
it
is
today
and
add
on
to
it
where
needed.
So
it
looks
the
same
and
then
take
that
same
design
and
put
it
on
the
carriage
house
for
protection
from
cars.
E
A
I
think
there
were
concerns
about
obstructing
the
view
of
the
carriage
house.
Yes,
it's
not
real
clear
from
the
elevations
how
how
that's
going
to
be
accomplished.
D
Sure-
and
I
think
that
is
something
charles
can
speak
to
on
the
signage
front,.
G
Yeah
so,
as
you
saw,
the
tower
was
like
18
foot
tall.
E
G
Oh
this
right
here:
can
you
go
to
the
three
of
the
atms?
Are
they
you're
talking
atms?
G
Yes,
yes,
so
I
we
100
agree
with
that
and
we
are
glad
to
bring
that
down
to
15
feet
or
whatever
you
feel
is
necessary
to
100
percent.
Have
the
visual
eye
line
from
the
street
to
see
the
carriage
house
we're
glad
to
remove
the
top
portion,
in
fact
we're
glad
to
remove
the
entire
canopy?
G
If
that's
what's
needed,
to
keep
the
visual
and
the
visual
intact
from
the
street
from
the
carriage
house,
the
actual
atms,
I
apologize
for
not
hearing
the
one
request
atm
the
three
atms
we
suggested
or
from
our
strategy
team
was
to
keep
the
three
due
to
the
location
of
it
next
to
the
border
crossing.
G
We
feel
that
it
would
be
a
strong
business
justification,
not
only
that,
but
also,
I
believe
orlando
mentioned
that
the
strong
excuse
me
lines
going
back
and
forth
during
the
holidays,
so
to
have
three
atms.
We
found
that
possibly
it
would
be
a
more
efficient
way
of
you
know
getting
people
through
getting
the
money
in
and
out
go
to.
Mexico
come
back
or
whatever
business
justifications
needed
for
the
customers
was
to
have
three,
and
so
by
having
that
we
would
we
would
it'd
be
it
would
basically
expedite
the
atm
process
for
a
customer.
G
It
would
it
would
minimize
the
traffic
circulation,
and
I
just
think
the
you
know,
our.
What
we
see
in
in
pnc's
future
is
more
atms
and
more
less
as
you
can.
You
may
have
seen
from
previous
teller
stations
that
they're
starting
to
minimize
in
in
in
previous
designs.
As
far
as
like
the
laredo
national,
we
had
30
line
stations
now
we're
coming
down
to
one
two
stations
and
or
video
banking
and
atm
machines,
and
so
we
feel
from
pnc's
perspective
that
this
would
be
something
that
we
would
like
to
keep
intact.
B
B
You
know
the
the
removal,
maybe
one
might
be
an
extreme,
but
but
if,
if
we
have
the
two
and
then
keep
that
that
one
that's
nearest
remove
that
so
we
can
have
some
distance,
I'm
kind
of
concerned-
and
I
don't
know
if
the
architect
that's
here-
has
any
concern.
But
if
you
look
at
the
carriage
building,
you
can
see
there's
a
discoloration
of
the
brick,
and
I
don't
know
if
that's
signs
of
maybe
some
integrity
issues
with
the
building
and
and
just
the
vibrations
and
things
that
now
we're
bringing
closer
to
that
building.
B
Is
that
going
to
create
a
vibration
that
might
damage
the
building
in
the
future,
because
we're
going
from
absolutely
no
movement
on
that
property
to
not
only
construction
but
after
that
car
generations
that
create
that?
But
from
from
an
architect
perspective,
I'm
wondering
if
your
thoughts
on
that,
because
that
that
that's
concerning
to
me,
but
I'm
just
trying
to
protect
the
building
and.
D
That's
a
very
good
point,
one
of
the
things
that
we
are
planning
to
do
if
this
moves
forward
is
have
a
specialty
structural
engineer,
come
out
to
verify
the
conditions
of
that
carriage
house.
For
that
exact
reason,
yeah,
and
so
we
could
provide
a
report
on
that
and
then
work
with
pnc
to
adjust
anything
that
we
felt
was
needed.
G
In
orlando,
regarding
the
atms,
what
we
could
do
is
we
do
a
circulation
study.
We
can
show
you
a
couple
iterations,
two
versus
three
on
atms.
I
think
that
might
be
an
option
here
and
definitely
the
signage
can
definitely
come
down
on
18
feet.
We
just
think
that's
it's
a
really
good
business
justification
to
have
multiple
atms.
C
My
my
concern
is,
I
miss
over
here
mentioned
a
lack
of
a
showing
of
elevation,
and
you
know
we're
we're
changing
the
elevation
and
the
way
the
the
actual
landscape
of
the
of
that
parking
lot
goes
from
the
north
east
and
south
side,
and
I
wish
I
had
a
clearer
idea
of
what
the
perspective.
The
visual
perspective
is
because
it's
not
only
the
carriage
house
that
I'm
worried
about.
C
We
have
the
lamar
bruni
vergara
home,
that
is
a
reconstruction
on
the
corner,
but
the
city
did
go
out
to
make
sure
that
that
property
owner
built
that
that
building
so
that
corner
remained.
Looking
the
same
now
we're
talking
about
atms,
lighted
lighting,
you
know
I
turn
on
that
street
every
day
to
go
on
to
hidalgo,
to
go
to
my
office
and
it's
a
very
narrow
street.
So
we're
talking
about
three
atms.
C
I
know
you're
talking
about
traffic
flow,
even
with
no
atms
there,
there
were
being
funneled
in
in
the
mornings.
So
I
I
still
see
that
that
I
know
we're
not
here
to
talk
about
traffic,
but
that
is
an
issue.
That's
already
happening
on
that
corner.
My
issue
is
the
changing
of
the
we're
here,
to
you
know,
protect
the
integrity
specifically
from
the
facade.
We
have
three
facades
here
that
are
being
changed
drastically
and
I
have
no
nothing
to
show
better
perspective
of
how
that
is
going
to
change.
G
We'd
be
glad
to
do
a
sightline
study.
We
actually
started
that
two
weeks
ago.
We
should
have
something
that
we
can
share
with
the
group
to
show
exactly
what
you
just
requested:
okay,
yeah.
I'm
sorry.
G
H
H
It's
just
the
sheer
position
of
them,
the
angle
of
it,
whether
there's
one
or
three
or
four,
is
there
any
way
that
those
could
be
moved.
I
mean
it's
almost
like.
If
that's
the
goal
is
to
obstruct
the
vision
of
that
of
that.
Yes,
I
think
from
the
angle
that
traffic
comes
from
there
and
I
know
that's
a
tall
task.
I
know
you
have
limited
site,
you
know
limited
space
and
nothing's.
Just
dead
center,
but
that's
the
question.
H
I
think
that
we're
tasking
you,
because
you
would
certainly
even
if
you
left
one
two
one
or
two,
I
I
agree
with
mr
navarro
that
the
one
the
proximity
of
the
other
one
to
the
to
that
building
is
you
know,
is
something
of
concern,
but
even
if
we
left
the
other
two
and
you
had
to
end
up
here,
there
couldn't
be
any
canopies.
I
mean
there's
just
nothing
left
to
look
at.
H
G
H
That
thing
again,
you
know
that's
it's
it's
visually!
It's
visually
gone.
I
do
recognize.
I'm
looking
at
the
street
view.
There
are,
you
know
a
couple
of
trees.
You
know
kinda,
you
know
in
the
way,
but
they're
trees,
they're
forgiven,
inherently
because
they're
trees.
You
know
I'm
looking
at
the
google
maps
right
now
at
the
the
intersection,
and
I
realized
that
there's
only
southbound
traffic
and
that's.
B
H
B
Yeah,
you
know,
I
don't
know
if
the
measurement
behind
the
building
would
accommodate
traffic
to
turn
on
his
algo
and
then
come
in
and
then
have
the
atms
behind
the
building.
Then
you
have
no
problem
and
then
and
then
they
can
just
go
out
towards
the
north.
Take
a
right
and
then
get
back
on
the
lane,
and
you
know
to
avoid
that
blocking
a
bit.
C
Of
a
back
story
on
this-
and
I'm
sure
mr
pulveda
will
remember,
but
that
carriage
house
has
been
protected
by
this
board
for
many
many
decades
when
that
property,
when
laredo
national
bank
owned
that
property
and
started
demolishing
around
that
area
and
to
turn
it
into
a
parking
lot.
This
board
saved
that
building,
because
it
is
one
of
the
more
historically
significant
buildings
in
this
area.
C
I
actually
had
a
carriage
that
I
was
caring
for
through
the
heritage
foundation
that
was
in
that
building
not
too
long
ago
that
we
just
took
out
of
there
when
pnc's,
when
compass
changed
over
to
or
bbva
changed
over
to
pnc.
So
I
have
been
in
that
carriage
house
and
it
did
receive
a
full
restoration
back
when
we,
when
this
board
saved
it
back
then.
So
it
is
something
that
this
board
has
protected
for
a
very
long
time,
so
just
as
backstory.
C
H
Also,
did
staff
have
problems
with
the
materials
and
the
colors
and
stuff
like
that,
because
I'm
looking
at
the
adjacent
bank
just
immediately
west
of
it
yeah
I
mean
it's
blue
and
you
know
I
thought
that
that
was
the
that
was
going
to
be
the
major
grievance
here,
but
I
mean.
B
No,
you
know,
knowing
that
we
were
going
to
come
to
the
board.
You
know
we.
The
suggestion
we
made
was
to
somehow
kind
of
match
up
with
the
plausibility
a
little
bit
just
to
give
it
some
kind
of
connection
to
that,
because
that
red
brick
one.
That's
yes,
back
in
the
day
that
that
was
the
plaza
hotel,
okay
and
so
then
it
became
an
office
building.
So
that's
why
I
call
it
the
plaza
building
it
was.
B
It
was
more
suggestions,
just
try
to
kind
of
get
that
feel
that
pnc
is
still
part
of
the
lnb
kind
of
connection.
I
don't.
I
don't
think
that
the
local
staff
has
been
involved
in
the
in
any
kind
of
input.
I
don't
know
if
the
president
of
the
bank
or
anybody
local,
I
did
talk
to
some
people,
they
didn't
know
anything
about
it
and
I
was
like
well
they're,
being
it's
being
talked
about,
so
the
coloring,
the
painting,
everything
if
it
could
match.
B
A
G
We
want
to
preserve
it,
so
we
were.
We
wanted
to
leave
this
open
for
conversation
as
far
as
what
you
would
like.
I
know
that
it's
important
to
have
that
structure
there,
so
we're
glad
to
add
to
the
refinish
or
restructure
or,
however
you'd
like
us
to
help
support
the
carriage
house.
We
are
glad
to
do
it.
I
just
we
want
to
stay
off
of
it,
because
I
know
it's
very
important,
but
we're
glad
to
support
you
just
need
to
be
specific
on
and
we
can.
We
can
throw
suggestions.
G
A
House
I
think
that
there's
some
deterioration,
it's
very
obvious
in
the
photographs
that
that
the
brick
has
suffered
some
deterioration.
I
think
a
little
bit
of
lack
of
maintenance
a
little
bit,
not
that
we
can
enforce
that
on
or
or
require
you
to
do
that.
But
if
the
investment
is
here
in
this
block,
we
would
hope
that
pnc
would
honor
that
little
structure
with
a
little
bit
of
attention,
and
in
that
vein,
perhaps
compromise
a
little
bit.
You
know
we
don't
want
to
say
no,
you
cannot
do
this.
A
We
want
you
to
invest
and
we
want
you
to
be
successful,
but
we
feel
like
this
little
structure
and
this
whole
neighborhood,
which
your
predecessor
helped
to
establish,
is
respected.
So
maybe
a
little
bit
of
altering
of
this
design,
one
may
be
reducing
the
number
of
atms
or
moving
them
further
away
from
the
structure
so
that
there
is
not
complete
obstruction
of
the
view
and
or
interruption
of
that
you
know
surface
around
it.
That
would
possibly
cause
some
structural
damage
to
the
property.
I
would
be
concerned.
A
One
of
these
vehicles
would
slam
into
it.
I
know
you
mentioned
that
there
would
be
a
fence
perhaps
put
around
it.
That
would
be
very
much
appreciated,
but
I
think
your
design
is
is,
is
a
good
start,
but
it
it
doesn't
show
what
we
feel
is
needed,
and
maybe
we
can
take
it
back
and
bring
back
some
modifications
if
that's
possible.
G
Is
it
is
it
are?
You
are
we
speaking
about
not
only
atms
but
also
the
building
structure
itself,
or
can
we
can
we
show?
Can
we
agree
on
the
building
structure
but
make
some
concessions
on
the
atm?
We
can
add
dollars
to
restore
the
carriage
house
to
whatever
that
you
all
feel
is
good
for
the
city,
we're
100
on
board.
On
that
the
building
structure,
I
would
very
much
like
to
keep
as
is,
but
we
can
definitely
accommodate
on
the
signage,
the
atm
signage,
the
halo,
signage
landscaping,
fencing
restoration.
H
And
I'll
tell
you
where
I'm
going
with
that,
if
you
go,
look,
I'm
going
to
just
show
this
to
the
board,
and
if
this
is,
if
I'm
off
to
you,
please
let
me
know
staff
as
well
and
the
presentation
as
you
go
down
the
best
that
we
can
do
that's
something
of
a
rendering
is
on
page
23
of
30..
H
E
H
It's
not
the
exact
site
rendering,
but
I'm
seeing
the
vertical
elements
and
the
canopies
that
that
are
just
about
the
right
height
to
to
stop
any
any
view
of
the
building
behind
them.
If
you're
on
that
page,
and
that
would
that's
just
I'm
just
thinking
that
it
appears
that
the
carriage
house
is
dead
center
in
that
site,
if
the
atriums
were
moved
towards
the
parking
garage
traffic
could
go
around
to
the
left
as
opposed
to
going
around
to
the
right,
then
you
have
unimpeded
view
of
the
carriage
house.
If
that's
something
that
step.
H
If
this
is
important,
I'm
repeating
myself
because
I
don't
want
to
be
you
know,
picking
something
picking
a
problem:
that's
not
there!
I
don't
know
if
they
can
get
that
back.
D
If
I
could
jump
in
from.
H
D
Site
perspective,
that's
absolutely
a
great
idea.
We
were
trying
to
respect
the
current
curb
cuts
to
the
entrance
exit
as
well
as
getting
too
close
to
that
intersection
from
from
entering
and
exiting
the
site.
So
it
is
something
for
consideration,
but
there
were
some
concerns
with
moving
the
atms
to
the
other
side
from
entering
and
exiting.
I.
H
Was
hoping
that
you
didn't
have
to
move
your
cuts
at
all?
They
seem
to
be
those
those
are
determined
by
different
factors,
but
I
just
looked
at
the
space
on
both
sides
of
the
carriage
house
and
the
site
plant,
and
it
doesn't
seem
to
be
too
much
of
a
difference
from
one
side
or
the
other,
and
so
you
just
have
traffic
going
from
one
driveway
to
the
other.
Driveway
pick
the
other
side
of
the
carriage
house,
and
then
it
just
it.
Then
you
have
unimpeded
unimpeded
view.
H
I
just
can't
there.
It
is
look.
If
you
look
to
the
left
side,
I'm
concerned
that
whenever
you're
heading
southbound
towards
the
bridge
that
you're
going
to
look
that
way
and
then
the
photo
on
the
left
is
and
that
carriage
house
is
right
behind
that
I
mean
those
are
some
recognizable
vertical
elements
and
canopies.
H
G
H
Kind
of
starts
going
away
from
our
point
of
view.
Okay,
you
got
your
canopies,
you
know,
that's
fine,
they
become
less
of
a
problem
and
so
because
they're
not
impeding
the
view
of
anything
something
something
to
volunteer
because
it
sounded
like
you're.
You
know
you're
willing
to
to
to
lower
the
the
height
of
of
the
vertical
element
and
maybe
even
remove
a
canopy
or
two.
H
I
don't
think
that
that's
going
to
get
it
done
and
also
whether
you
have
one
when
you're
looking
at
that
left
photo
whether
you
have
one
atm
two
or
three
doesn't
matter.
You
know
it's.
It's
blocking
the
view
on
on
the
corner
that
it's
at
right
now
something
to
consider
and
then,
regarding
the
main
building.
I
know
that's
your
primary
concern.
I
I
can
see
to
the
to
staff
and
and
and
this
board
on
whether
or
not
we're
going
to
change
materials.
H
I
I
would
love
to
see
the
brick
it's
much
more
handsome
from
the
other
one,
but
I
also
realized
that
the
structure
immediately
left
of
it
on
the
same
block
has
got
the
you
know
the
blues
and
the
oranges
they.
They
obviously
had
permission
to
paint
the
building
to
match
this
theme,
so
we'd
be
jumping
themes.
If
you
will,
if
we
enforce
that,
that's
my
opinion,
that's.
F
D
Yes,
yes,
we
we
are
working
on
a
line
of
sight
study
right
now.
We
would
have
to
go
back
and
and
look
at
the
feasibility
studies
of
relocating
atms
or
entering
and
exiting
the
site
to
determine
if
that
was
feasible
before
doing
a
rendering
of
that
visual
point.
But
it
is
possible.
B
So,
as
far
as
where
the
building
is
located
and
what
they
want
to
do
we're,
okay
with
the
box
where,
where
it
is
right,
we're
not
here
to
say
no
to
the
building
we'd
like
to
see
some
change
in
the
vista
of
it,
but
where,
where
it
is,
is
okay,
we
do
have
issues
with
the
atms
we're
trying
to
work
on
so
we're
not
here
to
say
no
to
it,
but
but
our
our
position
was
such
that
we
didn't
want
this
to
be
the
building
we'd
like
to
see
the
vista
to
change
it
a
little
bit,
but
we're
not
against
putting
the
building
there.
B
C
F
B
The
color
doesn't
it
doesn't
bring
up
the
colors
as
you're
envisioning.
You
know,
because
I'm
seeing
a
little
bit
more
orange
than
anything
so
yeah
if
we
can
get
something
a
little
more
more
to
the
color
scheme.
C
In
my
opinion,
working
through
historic
preservation
and
doing
different
projects,
the
building
itself,
I've
learned
that
when
it
comes
to
historic
districts,
it
should
complement
the
building,
but
it
also
needs
to
look
like
the
new
part.
This
is
an
addition.
This
is
not
historic,
so
you
don't
want
to
make
it
look
old.
We
want
it.
We
want
to
complement
it,
so
it's
not
necessarily
that
you
all
are
going
for
a
modern
approach.
C
G
If
the
request
is
to
get
a
3d
rendering
of
the
site
plan
with
what
you
see
there,
but
actually
plot
on
a
google
image
in
a
way
to
help,
give
you
guys
a
better
perspective,
we
can.
We
gladly
do
that.
We
can
clean
up
the
canopy
on
the
atms
like
dana
suggested.
G
We
can
run
an
iteration
on
the
feasibility
of
possibly
coming
from
the
north
and
running
to
the
south
to
help
with
a
better
view
from
ursula,
and
we
could
still
get
that
turn,
certainly
to
get
that
turned
around
in
a
short
period
and.
C
G
We
had
the
site
the
siteline
study
engaged
two
weeks
ago.
I
believe
we're
finalizing
the
iteration
pretty
much
this
week
and
we
could
have
something
turned
around
to
share
with
you
all
in
the
next
week
or
so
week
to
two
weeks
for
the
structure
of
the
carrot
challenge
for
the
sightline
study.
The.
D
Right
at
this
point,
we've
only
done
topographic
survey,
studies
and
whatnot
and
then
moving
forward.
We
would
engage
the
structural
engineer.
D
G
We
would
also
be
glad
to
submit
a
a
rendering
of
the
carriage
house
restored
if
you
will-
or
at
least
we
could
provide
a
list
of
suggestions
that
we
can
have
to
restore
the
carriage
house
from
the
previous
weathering.
We're
glad
to
do
what
is
necessary
to
keep
that
intact
for
the
next
50
years.
F
Respect,
I
think
one
of
the
concerns
I
have
is
the
protection
that's
going
to
be
around
the
carriage
house
with
all
the
vehicles
are
going
to
be
in
the
area.
So
I
don't
think
a
fence
that,
like
the
fence
that
surrounds
the
property,
is
sufficient
enough
to
protect
the
carriage
house.
So
if
some
options
can
be
given
that'd
be
great,
so.
G
We
have
some
bollards
you've,
probably
seen
them
on
atms.
We
would
find
a
cohesive
look
evenly
distributed
amongst
in
the
most
prone
areas
around
the
curve
to
make
sure
that,
for
whatever
happens,
the
carriage
house
would
stay
intact.
No
matter.
E
B
D
B
A
H
All
right,
I
guess,
the
what's
the
best
rendering
to
look
at
the
pnc
exterior
material
locations.
That's
probably
what
it's
most
likely
going
to
look
like
when
facing
this
one,
that
one
perfect
okay
and
that's
what
it
would
look
like,
probably
facing
towards
the
northwest.
If
you're
at
the
southeast
corner
you're,
looking
northwest
correct,
you're
looking
northwest
and
then
the
the
carriage
house
is
clearly
behind
it,
but
to
the
north,
if
you're
looking
northeast,
yeah,
correct
yeah,
that
would
be
correct
and
the
colors.
I
refer
to
the
board.
F
D
That
is
more
of
this
terracotta.
This
is
to
align
with
the
brick
that
is
on
the
plaza
tower.
It
is
a
more
modern,
of
course,
application.
It's
a
nichija,
fiber
cement,
that's
actually
applied
through
a
clip
system
versus
an
adhesive,
so
it
does
provide
a
lot
of
durability,
especially
in
different
climates,
and
it
lasts
about
50
years.
It
also
is
a
product
that
doesn't
crack,
so
it's
very
good
durability
for
a
building,
and
it
has
a
little
texture
to
it.
D
It's
intended
to
mimic
that
brick
type,
it's
missing
from
the
screen
that
brick
pattern
right
there,
so
that
is
the
way
that
these
colors
are
intended
to
look
in
comparison
to
the
tower
is
to
follow
a
color
blocking
pattern
of
the
top
lighter
stripe,
the
main
building
being
that
more
terracotta
red
and
then
the
lower
portion
of
the
building
with
a
lighter
stripe,
and
that's
what
this
sandstone
beige
is
again
with
a
little
bit
of
a
texture.
H
H
G
Yeah,
so
that
so
we
it
is,
it
is
it's
pretty
much
essential
to
our
our
design.
We
have
that,
so
we
have
an
iteration
between
the
browns,
the
so
the
white
is
integral.
I'm
sorry,
the
tan
is
more
of
an
integral
piece.
The
color
that
changes
is
this
one
based
on
the
region.
So
if
we're,
for
example,
further
in
the
northwest
it'd
be
a
darker
wood
to
match
the
wood
climate.
G
So
to
answer
your
question:
yes,
it
would
have
to
our
choice,
would
to
keep
it
intact,
the
way
it
is
and
to
sidebar
on
this,
the
actual
building
itself.
Yes,
I
do.
There
are
modern
elements
to
it,
but
the
actual
building
itself
we
are
trending
to
have
leed
certified,
so
the
air
is
cleaner.
It's
more
efficient
on
heating
and
cooling
customers
will
be
more
willing
to
come
into
a
nice
crispy,
cold
branch,
just
like
this
chamber,
so
it
you
know
the
products
are
very
efficient,
the
look!
G
G
B
D
F
F
C
B
A
We're
talking
about
compatibility
and,
and
also
the
massing,
also
has
to
be
compatible
so,
and
so
I
I
can't
get
an
idea
of
how
tall
this
is
going
to
be
compared
to
let's
say
the
house
next
to
across
the
street,
so
maybe
that
3d
view
wouldn't
really
help.
Okay,
okay,
so
I
hope
we've
given
you
the
feedback
you
need
and
and
we're
very
grateful
that
you're
willing
to
adapt
a
little
to
what
we
feel
is
important
for
that
block
and
for
the
neighborhood.
G
A
B
C
C
E
A
B
So,
madam
chair,
yes.
E
B
That
there
had
been
discussions
about
how
we
can,
what
kind
of
incentives
do
we
have
for
anybody
who
comes
to
the
downtown
area
that
wants
to
do
some
or
to
the
historic
district
certain
a
little
bit
of
everything,
and
so
one
of
the
areas
that
we
work
with
is
the
neighborhood
empowerment
zone,
and
so
we
asked
mr
roland
lozano,
who
handles
the
applications
for
this.
To
just
give
you
a
brief
understanding
of
one
of
the
incentives
that
we
have
for
the
city.
I
Afternoon
everybody,
my
name,
is
roland
lozano.
I
am
right
away
manager
for
the
city
of
radio,
the
uk
coordinator
and
yeah
any
z
liaison.
I
guess
you
could
say
so.
I
got
a
little
couple
hats
there
to
to
wear,
but
thank
you
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
explain
what
the
neighborhood
empowerment
zone
is.
So
let
me
give
you
a
kind
of
guess,
a
little
history
of
it.
It
started
in
2013
and
basically
this
is
according
to
I
guess,
a
statue.
I
Basically
is
what
city
taxes
you're
paying
they
basically
get
frozen.
So,
for
instance,
if
a
property
is
paying
100
of
city
taxes
and
once
they
redo
it,
they're
going
to
end
up
paying
more
right,
so
that
difference
is,
is
the
savings
basically
for
residentials
is
five
years
limit
by
the
state
in
commercial?
It
can
go
up
to
10
depending
on
the
capital
investment.
So
the
way
the
resolution
is
written
is
basically,
you
got
to
comply
with
certain
guidelines,
and
so
yes,
some
of
that
zone
is
within
the
historical.
I
I
guess
the
overlay
district
is
called.
So
obviously
you
guys
would
still
look
at
it
and
say.
G
I
You
know
you
guys
need
to
do
it
this
way
right
that
still
doesn't
go
away
and
before
they
can
get
a
permit,
they
got
to
get
approval
from
the
historical
land
board,
as
well
as
the
nz.
They
would
first
need
to
get
that
approved
before
they
can
get
the
actual
building
burden.
So
that's
how
it
works
so
anytime,
any
construction
comes
in
whether
it's
in
the
historic
or
not.
If
it's
in
the
nez
zone,
the
first
thing
they
tell
them
hey
you're
in
the
energy
zone,
you
wanna
it's
a
voluntary
program.
I
They
don't
have
to
go
through
it,
so
we
let
them
know
hey
you're
in
the
zone.
Do
you
wanna?
You
know,
save
some
money
or
whatever
they
got
to
go
through
certain
steps,
and
that's
where
I,
my
staff,
come
in
and
create
a
resolution
for
city
council
for
that
specific
property.
It's
only
done
once
in
its
lifetime
so
like.
If
this
property
is
going
to
want
to
participate
in
the
nec,
it's
only
one
time.
One
time
deal
right.
I
So
if
they're
just
going
to
do
a
little
addition,
maybe
they
might
want
to
save
it
for
something
else
or
whatever.
So,
basically
that
was-
and
I
I
kind
of
put
some-
I
hope
you
guys-
I
kind
of
put
some
numbers
kind
of
together,
but
basically,
since
the
inception
of
the
nz
there's
been
75
residential
projects,
I
just
went
with
a
residential
project.
I
The
the
city
has
in
these
zone.
It's
a
eight
million
eight
one,
forty
one
thousand
six
hundred
fifty
five,
basically
an
average
of
a
hundred
thousand
dollars,
108
thousand
per
per
house
of
a
capital
investment.
So
what
this
incentive
does
it?
I
You
know
some
of
these
investments
are
like
have
an
old
house,
an
eastern
western
division.
Lot
they
demolish
it
now
it's
vacant.
So
what
does
that
do
to
the
property
value?
Well,
you're,
just
paying
land
because
there's
no
improvements,
so
they
wait
until
the
web
county
appraisal
district
says:
okay,
now
you're
paying
you
know,
minimal
taxes,
and
then
they
build
their
house
and
then
they
come
in
and
they
kind
of
get
advantage
of
that
savings.
I
And
so
you
know,
and
some
of
them
just
do
some
small
repairs,
but
when
they
do
the
average
of
that,
basically
their
fees
are
about
thirteen
hundred
dollars
depending
on
you
know,
because
this
includes
you
know
all
the
permits
the
building
permit,
the
even
the
you
know
the
building
permit
the
mechanical
electrical
plumbing.
All
these
all
the
different
kind
of
permits
right
away,
permit
fees,
all
those
fees
are
weighed
and
they
only
pay
a
hundred
dollars
for
the
application
to
do
the
nazi
program.
I
So
by
paying
a
hundred
dollars
and
going
through
all
this
and
getting
approved
first,
then
they
can
apply
for
a
permit
and
their
fees
are
waived,
as
well
as
a
tax
abatement
say
once
they
start.
They
have
to
sign
in
a
an
actual
agreement
with
the
city
of
laredo,
and
it
goes
to
city
council
through
a
resolution
and
so
city
secretary
city
managers,
city,
attorneys
and
mayor
all
signed,
and
there
they
must
follow
on
the
building
code.
They
must
follow
as
how
it
got
approved
once
it
gets
approved.
I
We
generate
a
letter
of
authorization
authorizing
the
web
county
appraisal,
chief
appraiser
to
freeze
the
city,
taxes
and
so
that's
all
put
onto
the
applicant,
so
the
applicant
has
to
it
has
to
be
the
owner.
It
can't
be.
You
know
somebody,
that's
leasing,
the
property,
because
this
is
also
commercial
right.
We've
seen
it
to
where
they
go
to
shell
buildings,
and
only
the
owner
can
apply
for
that
right
because
the
agreement
is
with
the
owner.
That's
the
the
resolution
has
been
written,
so
basically
that's
kind
of
a
detailed
rundown.
I
F
Have
okay?
I
have
a
just
one
question,
so
you
said
that
you
can
apply
for
it
once.
Is
it
once
per
property
or
once
per
owner
of
the
property?
No.
I
Let's
say
it's
a
commercial
and
you
got
10
years
out
of
it
and
after
the
first
year
you
decide
to
sell
it,
it
becomes
a
commodity.
I
could
sell
it
to
you
and
you
can
get
the
rest
of
the
nine
years.
You
know
what
I
mean
as
a
tax,
but
you
would
have
to
apply
saying:
hey
it's
already
gone
through
once
and
there's
a
process
for
it,
but
it
does,
it
can
become
a
commodity.
I
guess
call
it
that
right
so.
I
The
owner
right,
because
the
the
abatement
is
given
to
the
property
owner
right,
so
when
you
sell
it,
then
the
new
property
owner
can
apply
on
that
abatement.
For
you
know,
the
continuation
of
whatever
term
was
agreed
upon.
I
A
Okay,
do
you
have
an
overlay
map
to
show
us
which
historic
districts
are
are.
I
A
A
I
I
As
a
part,
whatever
it
is,
whatever
improvements,
are
there
they're
paying
taxes
so
whatever
that
amount
is
gets
frozen
because
once
you
add
improvements,
obviously
your
taxes
are
going
to
go
up
so
that
difference
so,
let's
say
they're
paying
a
thousand
dollars
in
city
taxes
once
they
finish.
They're
gonna
be
paid
two
thousand
so
they're
saving
a
thousand
dollars
yeah
a
year
for
ten
years,
so
that'd
be
ten
thousand
or
something
I'm
just
throwing
numbers
out.
That's.
I
I
Yes,
just
the
city
texas,
because
you
got
the
lisd
and
you
got
the
laredo
college
taxes.
They
don't
participate,
they
don't
participate
right.
So
we're
only
talking
just
that
one
tax
entity
which
is
a
city
and
they
must
comply
with
all
the
parameters
right
and
so
everything's
online.
I
want
to
show
you
here
real
quick,
so.
E
I
Yeah
the
permits.
Okay,
I'm
sorry,
I
was
trying
to
get
the
the
map
where
you
can
get
all
this
information.
Everything
I'm
saying
it's
on
our
website
at
the
building
department
go
to
the
main
page
and
I
have
it
on
the
screen,
but
you
go
to
the
any
z
tab,
which
is
the
fourth
tab
left
to
right.
I
Here
we
go
so
here
you
get
the
any
z
and
you're
able
to
get
frequently
asked
questions
you
get
the
application,
there's
also
a
waiver,
because
this
is
voluntary.
You
know
they
they
tell
them.
You
know
what
I
don't
want
to
go
through,
that
I
want
the
permit
now
so
they're
like
okay,
sign
the
waiver.
Then
we
advise
you
don't
come
back
later
and
say
you
didn't
that's
really
what
we
do
so
everybody
gets
asked.
So
where
is,
and
so
there's
a
process
here,
also
that
you
can
expedited
process.
I
I
I
So,
of
course,
like
I
said
it
encompasses
all
of
the
historical
district
right,
so
they're
planning
on
expanding,
because
eastern
and
western
is
a
lot
right,
so
that
was
that
was
the
original
one.
Let
me
see.
I
For
for
residential,
it's
a
hundred
dollars
for
commercial
is
point
five
percent
of
the
capital
investment
with
a
minimum
150
and
a
maximum
of
a
thousand.
So
if
you
have
a
project,
cost
200
000,
which
today
cost
is
really
low,
so
the
threshold
is
everybody's
gonna
meet
it
thousand
dollars
is
the
most
they'll
ever
pay
right.
So
a
bank
is
gonna,
probably
gonna
pay,
as
the
construction
cost
is
going
to
be
way
over
200
000.
I
Typically,
it
takes
three
to
five
weeks,
but
they
can
probably
get
a
permit
if
everything
they've
already
they've
got
through
the
approval
of
the
historical
and
approval
from
the
naz
they
could,
they
could
still
apply
to
get
a
permit
right,
they're
not
going
to
be
issued.
They
can
start
getting
that
reviewed
right.
Of
course,
one
of
the
comments
says:
hey:
did
you
get
a
approval
from
the
historical
board?
I
Did
you
get
approval
from
the
naz
so
that
those
will
be
comments,
but
they'll
start
looking
at
the
code,
compliance
and-
and
they
can
start
doing
that
already
and
if
that's
ready
to
go,
you
know
they
can
realistically
get
a
permit
within
three
three
weeks
before
we
depending
right
right
so,
but
for
us
to
process
the
nazis
at
least
I
need
at
least
two
weeks
right
with
everything
so
that
we
can
create
the
resolution
document.
Everything
go
out.
I
E
B
Every
applicant
that
comes
into
the
building
department
must
be
asked
if
they'd
like
to
apply
for
the
nec
that
they
have
to,
like
you
said,
there's
a
waiver
and
if
they
don't
want
it
and
the
re
some
people,
you
know
it
has
to
go
to
city
council.
So
it
gets
put
on
the
schedule
to
go
to
city
council
and
some
people
don't
want
to
take
that
time
to
do
it
and
they
figured
I'll
be
fine
with
the
taxes.