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Historical Landmark District Board Committee Meeting 121318
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D
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A
C
F
C
G
C
C
D
Even
though,
obviously
this
would
go
under
mr.
Chavez,
because
he
oversees
our
area
due
to
planning
and
zoning,
but
I
think
that
we
need
to
get
MS
Lopez
involved,
because
if
we
want
to
do
marketing
outreach,
what
have
you
then
that's
under
her
scope
and
insofar
as
the
web
site
goes
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
the
web
site
is
operated
out
of
the
city
secretary's
office,
correct
I,.
A
E
D
We
would
have
to
have
him
designed,
for
example,
an
online
application,
a
means,
for
example,
if
if
an
applicant
would
like
to
pay
by
credit
card
kind
of,
do
they
do
it
that
way
if
they
want
to
upload
their
plans
or
what
have
you?
Obviously,
if
it's
an
architect,
that's
going
to
be
hard,
because
those
things
are
huge,
in
fact
at
least
get
that
portion.
You
know
streamline
a
bit
and.
D
B
Seen
a
lot
of
discussions,
artwork
people
that
come
up
here
talk
about
the
actual
questions
on
the
guidelines,
not
knowing
what
this
are
given
or
whether
they
need
to
comply
with
these
stores,
otherwise
and
Kristy.
I
think
you
cannot
walk
to
this.
We've
had
some
of
those
discussions
in
the
house
right.
F
F
Maybe
we
should
get
some
sort
of
clarification
from
the
city
manager's
office
as
to
what
they
foresee
happening
in
the
future,
with
the
comprehensive
plan
with
with
the
the
different
aspects
that
are
going
on
in
the
downtown
area.
I
personally
have
had
a
couple
of
meetings
with
the
assistant
city
manager,
with
other
people
from
up
my
organization
and
I
know
that
they
are
listening
to
to
the
different
stakeholders.
I'm
sure
other
Melissa's
involved
in
another
organization
as
well
so
I
know
that
that
what
happens
with
us
has
to
stay
within
this.
F
B
I
rise
because
I
salute
the
material
that
we
use
to
evaluate
when
citizens
come
before
the
podium.
It's
still,
we
I
feel
there's
still
a
little
fade
and
I'll
give
you
an
example.
When
people
talk
about
historic,
colors,
there's
so
many
different
styles
of
architecture,
different
design
periods
and
one
of
the
oldest
neighborhoods
or
downtown's
and
Laredo,
and
even
in
the
u.s..
So
what
our
palette
right
now
when
talking
about
it
just
shows
historic
colors.
So
a
born
in
vernacular
color
is
a
lot
different
than
another
modernist
color
of
50s
and
60s.
B
So,
right
now,
when,
when
petitioners
come
in
or
citizens
come
in
will
say
well,
you
have
to
follow
the
design
guidelines
and
your
Stora
colors,
but
we
haven't
been
specific
enough
to
be
period
specific
colors.
So
those
are
some
of
the
items
that
we've
talked
about
in
the
past
that
we
need
to
rewrite
some
of
those
down.
So
people
have
a
specific
period.
I
feel.
F
That
the
most
important
thing
is
to
to
really
look
at
the
downtown
as
a
whole,
and
if
you
look
at
other
historic
preservation
guidelines,
many
communities
actually
have
separate
guidelines
depending
on
the
district,
because
there's
a
big
difference
between
the
Sano's
theme,
historic
district
and
maybe
the
st.
Peters
district,
because
one
is
residential
and
the
other
one
is
not.
F
B
But
I
guess:
when
you're
talking
about
your
story,
it's
really
even
in
the
same
historic
district.
There
you
have
designating
one
per
district,
maybe
a
little
bit
too
broad,
because
there's
older
buildings
there's
a
lot
as
a
fused,
historic
content.
The
downtown
has
so
many
different
styles
different
years.
It's
so
old!
You
know
we're
going
back
200
something
years,
so
I
think
it
should
be
really
ideal
would
be
project
specific
or
if
a
citizen
wants
to
do
something
and
they
own
a
property
where
they
can
go
to
their
website.
B
E
B
C
B
Monitoring
the
deciding
information,
the
content
that
we
have
in
our
guidelines
is
different
to
what
the
building
department
has
in
terms
of
what's
allowed,
so
is
it
appropriate
for
the
design
of
the
historic
district
or
not
so
some
of
those
things
should
be
discuss.
It
may
be
that
a
workshop
should
be
in
place
to
discuss
all
that.
C
C
G
H
C
C
F
F
G
F
D
F
Yeah
know
what
I
was
just
using
this
as
an
example
of
how
to
maybe
proceed
with
the
first
item
as
far
as
what
we
want
to
what
our
goals
are
as
an
organization
as
as
a
board,
because,
like
mister,
you
know,
880
was
stating
that
there
are
several
members
that
this
might
be
their
last
meeting,
considering
that
it
is
election
night
and
so
for
us
to
form.
A
committee
right
at
this
moment
might
be
a
little
difficult,
but.
E
D
D
H
For
those
who
don't
know
me,
my
name
is
Christine
Rosa
I'm,
one
of
the
assistant
city
attorneys,
and
they
asked
me
to
be
here.
I
was
just
so
to
answer
the
question.
First
I
think
you're
correct.
Most
of
the
things
I
have
to
do
with
impact
development
within
the
city
sometimes
go
to
pnz.
First
for
review.
There
may
be
some
instances
in
which
that
may
not
be
necessary,
but
ultimately,
whether
it's
adopting
new
guidelines
or
doing
it
by
or
amending
existing
ordinance,
whatever
recommendations,
y'all
gonna
make
have
to
go
to
Council
on
you
know.
F
A
question
for
you
also
as
far
as
maybe
like
procedure
goes:
do
you
know
of
any
other
Commission's
that
may
be
right,
actual
procedure
or
guidelines
for
the
board
members
themselves
as
far
as
how
we
can
represent
the
board,
what
we
can
can
do
like?
Can
we
speak
for
the
board,
or
is
that
only
the
chair,
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
confusion
as
far
as
like
when
we
send
emails,
whether
we
can
copy
everybody
or
is
that
written
in
another
ordinance
that
so.
H
F
And
the
reason
why
I
asked,
because
there
was
a
recent
item
on
City,
Council
and
I-
thought
that
the
procedure
for
that
was
to
go
directly
to
the
chair
of
the
board
and
express
what
I
felt
I
thought.
It
should
be
said
at
the
board
meeting,
which
I
did
do
miss
one
set
go.
Unfortunately,
he
got
in
a
fender
bender
on
the
way
to
City
Council
and
she
was
not
able
to
speak
at
that
moment.
Am
I
allowed
to
come
as
a
board
member
and
speak
for.
H
I
mean
you
just
have
to
disclaim
what
your
role
is
at
the
meeting.
If
it's
something
that
the
board
of
the
Commission
has
taken
action
on,
you
can
communicate
that
and
be
the
voice.
In
that
sense,
if
you're
gonna
express
your
own
personal
opinions,
there's
individuals
that
come
up
and
say
I'm
a
rebel
come.
E
C
F
B
The
clear
that
was
a
good
point
that
the
other
there
was
also
discussion
and
I'm
glad
we're
discussing
this
right
now,
because
you
know
the
issue
with
the
a
City
Council,
the
mayor
doesn't
vote.
He
breaks
a
tie.
Is
that
correct?
Or
does
he
take
the
vote
because
we
were
wondering
since
we
have
limited
members
at
the
last
meeting
we
had
we
had
a
3-3
vote
and
I
was
you
know.
I
was
asked
where
the
turf
person
can
vote,
because
the
mayor
doesn't
have
necessarily
vote
unless
I'm
wrong
on
that.
F
H
One
and
we
may
be
deviating
from
the
the
item-
that's
on
the
agenda,
I
think
all
the
boards
have
their
own.
They
can
have
their
own
specific
procedural
rules
that
apply
to
them
and
so
I
think
it's
a
matter
of
if,
like
some
have
bylaws,
and
so
you
could
say
one
the
event
of
the
tie.
This
is
how
this
is
handled
and
so
I.
Don't
necessarily
know
that
the
city
has
an
overarching
well
because.
F
Of
the
procedure,
the
process,
because
when
we
can't
come
to
a
consensus
that
we
do
have
that
that
situation,
then
we
have
somebody
that
doesn't
have
a
definite
answer.
That's
been
applying
for
something
so
we're
just
trying
to
to
speed
along
the
process
and
streamline
it
a
little
bit.
I
guess:
yeah.
H
B
B
H
D
H
That's
not
on
the
agenda
for
today,
I
think,
though,
because
we
have
any
complete
board
at
the
moment.
The
goal
was
for
me
to
introduce
myself
and
to
let
y'all
know
that
you
will
be
seeing
me
at
a
future
meeting
where
all
of
these
questions
will
be
welcomed
and
probably
more
appropriate
in
context
of
what
and.
C
Board
so
we'll
move
to
item
B
discussion
and
possible
action
on
recommendations
for
an
ordinance
with
updated
historic
design,
guidelines
and
implementation
of
a
mural
program
within
historic
districts,
and/or
buildings,
with
historic
designations
and
since
we've
already
destruct
discussed
the
guidelines
in
general.
Let's
review
the
part
of
the
mural
program
and
I
included
it
with
the
guidelines
because
it
was
not
included
in
the
guidelines
we
have
a
section
on,
but
we
do
not
have
a
section
on
meal
programs.
C
So
what
I
send
out
and
hand
it
out
to
the
committee
for
review
and
discussion
is
a
an
accumulation
of
statements,
a
total
of
22
statements
that
have
been
found
in
other
similar
mural
programs
on
an
historic
districts
and
what
I
wanted
asked.
The
board
members
is
to
consider
which
of
these
items
there's
a
lot
of
them
that
are
just
going
to
be
probably
acceptable
to
everyone.
But
there
may
be
a
few
that
we
want
to
discuss
or
identify,
as
as
those
that
we
may
want
to
eliminate
or
modify.
C
C
You
know
in
other
ordinances,
they
don't
state
50%,
they
just
say
you
cannot
be
the
full
wall
and
and
I
questioned
that
item,
because
where
does
50
percent
come
from
other
than
obviously
that's
half
of
the
wall?
But
other
parts
of
the
of
the
ordinance
would
say
also
that
it
should
not
cover
doors
windows,
historic
elements,
so
it
has
to
be
on
a
blank
wall.
So
it's
gonna
have
to
be
less
than
the
full
wall
right
and.
F
C
F
Agree,
a
50%
is
kind
of
like
how
do
you
come
up
with
that
number,
but
I
think
it's
important
that
we
do
come
to
a
fixed
number
that
we,
that
that
is
never
a
question
to
future
boards.
But
again
the
a
I
agree
that
the
where
do
they
come
up
with
that
15%?
A
lot
of
it
may
have
to
do
with
the
community
itself.
We
do
have
to
remember
that
Laredo
is,
does
not
really
have
history
of
murals
in
the
downtown
area.
F
C
D
Believe
it's
on
what
is
room
for
somewhere
in
the
downtown
area.
They're
going
to
be
development
will
be
repurposing,
one
of
the
buildings
into
affordable
housing,
and
so
this
would
be
under
the
multifamily.
I
mean
residential
structure
and
the
thing
is:
they
are
also
proposing
a
mural
on
that
building.
C
I
I
interjected,
number,
17
and
I
had
a
question
on
that
also
too,
to
bring
through
the
board,
because
the
prior
item
number
16
basically
addresses
commercial
buildings,
and
so
that
got
me
to
look
at
a
lot
of
these
downtown
buildings
and
guidelines
address
commercial.
So
that's
the
reason.
I
put
it
in
there
too
for
us
to
have
that
discussion.
Whether
I
would
think
single-family
homes,
I,
think
of
all
the
Victorian
and
such
homes
that
we
have
and
a
mural
would
not
be
appropriate.
F
G
E
G
C
D
F
My
question
and
I
think
that
was
the
only
feedback
that
I
provided
was
the
use
of
chemicals
on
the
building,
because
I
think
that
was
one
of
the
recommendations
that
I,
like
I'll,
have
an
ER
the
Planning
Department
put
in
before
City
Council
that
the
mural
that
was
approved
for
the
Saints
more
building,
that
it
was
recommended
by
Planning
and
Zoning
that
it
not
used
chemical
is
that
is
that
with
is
my
understanding
correct?
How
does
anybody
well.
C
C
F
They
can
were
kind
of
canceled
out
their
own.
You
know
they
approved
it
with
the
recommendation
that
did
not
use
chemical,
but
the
adhesive
is
consumed
chemical
YES
on
so
there's
two
eyes.
Does
that
mean
that
it
changes
the
technique?
The
whole
technique
has
to
be
changed,
I
and
and
I,
and
that
was
one
of
the
feedbacks
that
I
provided.
C
The
other
item
that
was
in
conflict
on
that
motion
with
the
City
Council
was
the
reversible.
The
secretary
theory
says
that
any
paint
that
goes
on
to
an
historic
building,
including
a
mural
and
all
needs
to
be
reversible
and
my
understanding
from
the
artists,
the
artists.
If
it's
permanent,
no
no
she's,
a
major
presentation,
we
asked
a
question
and
she
said
it
was
permanent
that
the
fabric
itself
and
the
pain
itself
you
know,
would,
in
time
deteriorate
or
fabric
it
always
get
on
the
building.
Yes,
but
the
glue
was
a
permanent
thing.
C
The
adhesive
was
permanent,
so
so
I'd
like
to
somehow
I'd
like
I,
guess
a
motion
to
to
allow
us
to
allow
me
the
Chairman
to
bring
those
concerns
up
to
the
City
Council.
So
through
the
city.
I
sided
this
office,
all
in
favor,
aye
opposed
okay.
So
we'll
do
that
there'll,
be
an
action
related
to
your
item.
Be.
F
C
Well
beat
chapter
six,
it's
basically
the
chapter:
five,
that's
the
signage,
but
I
pulled
out
all
the
information
that
did
not
attain
to
murals
or
a
finish
on
the
exterior
and
I
interject.
If
all
the
items
22
item
statements
in
the
format
that
the
guy
guided
lines
already
had
set
up
for
for
signage
and,
of
course
all
the
pictures
will
be
replaced
with
some
other
examples
to
illustrate
our
statements.
C
D
F
For
the
illustrations,
I
know
you
contacted
me
about
helping
with
the
illustrations
and
since
and
I
told
her
gosh.
You
know
that's
really
hard,
because
there
are
no
examples.
Oh
we're
in
the
downtown
area.
It's
when
you
look
at
the
rest
of
the
guidelines,
there's
photographs
of
the
downtown
area
of
the
Laredos
downtown
that
shows.
Oh,
this
is
the
correct
way
to
do
signage.
This
is
incorrect.
We
don't
have
that
with
murals.
So
is
that
that's
something
that
we
that
could
possibly
be
outsourced
to
an
architect
right,
Eddie
I,
know.
F
E
E
C
F
C
H
Because
the
ordinance
right
now
how
how
it's
written
it
says,
you
know
the
board
shall
consider
the
guidelines
set
forth
in
the
Secretary
of
Interior
standing
for
rehabilitation,
and
so
before
I
mean
the
discussion
about
the
guidelines
and
incorporating
how
murals
fit
into
its
historic
copy.
Promotes
and
properties
makes
sense,
because
we
have
a
it's
a
new
program
and
it
might
make
sense
to
have
some
rules
that
that
work
differently
for
historic
properties
and
I,
think
that
would
have
to
be
a
coordinated
effort.
H
Well
also
the
fine
arts
and
culture
Commission
and,
and
because
of
you,
know,
different
considerations.
But
ultimately
we
would
have
to
amend
this.
If
you
all
wanted
to
use
a
different
set
of
guidelines
or
supplement
the
Secretary
of
Interior
guidelines
with
your
own
I
guess,
develop
the
guidelines,
and
that
would
be
a
recommendation
that
could
be
made
for
council.
It.
F
Seems
to
be
happening
right
now
now
I'm
just
finding
out
about
this
new.
We
are
I'm,
not
sure
if
it's
even
in
a
historic
district
or
is
it
in
a
circus,
and
so
it's
another
mural
that
has
skipped
over
us
again.
The
last
mural
skipped
over
us
and
it
skipped
over
the
Arts
Commission.
So
the
content
was
not
approved
by
the
Arts
Commission
and
the
mural
was
we
never
came
to
a
consensus
on
it,
so
you
know
it
seems
like
it's
happening
again,
so
they.
F
You
know
we
have
to
be.
You
have
to
remember
what
our
mission
is
and
and
murals
I'm
not
saying
I'm
opposed
to
the
murals,
but
we
have
to
be
sensitive
and
we
have
to
care
for
our
downtown
and
and
we're
here
for
a
purpose
and
other
people
might
not
have
the
idea
of
okay.
In
some
buildings,
it's
okay
and
others.
It's
not
like
Eddie
says
it's
a
case-by-case
basis,
so
some
might
think.
Oh,
let's
just
put
murals
everywhere
when
they're
being
passed
through
City
Council
like
that.
F
That
could
happen,
and
we
just
need
to
to
be
careful
with
that,
because
a
lot
of
these
may
not
be
reversible
or
they
may
be
damaging
to
the
building
and
are
or
not,
I
feel
not
going
through.
The
correct
protocol,
I
I,
get
that
the
City
Council
is
the
appeal
process.
But
at
this
point
we're
not
even
being
appealed.
It
is
just
completely.
G
It
just
it
makes
our
historic
buildings,
our
historic
districts,
it's
incredibly
vulnerable
and
we're
setting
a
precedent
right
now
because
of
the
way
we're
going
off
on
this,
and
these,
like,
like
Christina,
said
these
murals
just
kind
of
repeatedly
kind
of
popping
up,
because
there's
nothing
I
mean
it
can
create,
it
will
be
a
big
picture.
I
want
murals,
I
mean
I,
I
do
want
murals,
downtown
I
mean,
and
the
board
I'm
on
also
is
working
to.
B
A
solution
solution,
there's
still
a
lot
of
questions,
because
this
board,
really
we
don't,
we
don't
approve
the
content
on
it.
Just
like
we're
gonna
prove
what
color
we
like.
We
just
approve,
whether
it
meets
the
pragmatics
and
what
we
have
any
guidelines
this
if
this
is
implemented
to
the
gardener
in
school.
The
next
step
is
the
content
design.
F
B
F
Procedures
here
and
that's
why
the
City
of
Laredo
Arts
Commission,
is
here
because,
like
this
mirror
on
the
seems
more
building,
it
was
not
a
prude.
The
content
was
not
approved
by
them,
so
it's
if
two
boards
and
it
wasn't
approved
by
us
also
so
at
what
point
do
you
you
know?
Oh
right,
I
think
that
she
did
a
good
job
by
by
mentioning
them
saying
hey.
F
E
F
C
Think
that
the
third
person
which
is
already
mentioned
is
the
building
department
because
remember
the
first
letter
they
submitted
that
all
this
is
only
paint.
So
you
know
we
don't
have
to
you,
don't
need
a
building
permit
for
just
paint,
but
it
wasn't
paste
that
they
was
adhesive
and
there
was
fabric,
and
so
we
need
to
keep
them
within
the
loop
tool
to
know
what.
Why
we're
stating?
What
we're
stating
in
in
the
guidelines
I
think.
G
D
C
C
B
Think
some
of
the
Confucian
says
we
have
city
attorney,
assist
attorney,
here's
his
item,
there's
no
set
of
rules
or
procedures
to
take
on
the
bureau's.
So
the
item
went
to
City
Council
before
it
came
here.
So
when
it
came
to
this
board
since
City
Council
is
the
appeal
process
for
this
board.
There
was
confusion
on
whether
to
take
action
on
it
or
not,
because
it's
already
been
approved
at
the
next
step.
B
So
that's
what
we
had
a
confusion
on
it,
but
but
now
that
we're
speaking
more
about
it,
there
isn't
any
procedures,
so
that
rod
was
also
a
correct
route
that
they
took
because
he
didn't
have
to
come
before
this
board,
but
in
the
autumn
desk
go
to
City
Council.
First,
it's
see
that
City
Council
doesn't
have
to
take
up
the
item
again.
Demon
of
this
board
doesn't
approve
it
because
the
options
already
been
taken.
Correct.
H
And
I'm
and
like
most
of
the
city
boards,
are
they
serving
an
advisory
role?
And
so,
ultimately
you
know
they
just
like
candy.
You
know
they
can
make
the
recommendation,
but
ultimately
council
authority
to
override
them
and
so
have
to
have
some
reason
for
it.
But
that's
kind
of
what
the
process
is.
You've
been
appointed
for
your
technical
expertise
and
hopefully
in
most
cases
they
will
defer
to
the
boards.
But
in
some
instances
there
may
be
some
other
competing
or
overriding
interest,
and
it's
just
so.
B
E
C
F
We
didn't
learn
it
until
you
young
clear,
and
we
didn't
learn
it
until
the
very
end
until
mascara
really
clarified
it,
and
but
you
know,
but
I
I
agree
with
the
with
the
change
on
number
17.
I
would
like
to
see
something
about
the
Secretary
of
Interior
standards,
especially
specifically
referring
to
chemicals.
In
my
in
my
own
opinion,
I
I
think
we
are
addressing
the
reversible
already
several
times.
C
G
C
G
On
committees,
I
think
what
you
could
do
is
maybe
we
could
just
say
these
are
the
committees
that
we
want
to
establish,
and
then
you
can
fill
those
when
we,
when
we
have
the
full
board,
but
at
least
establish
those
subcommittees.
So
people
might
start
thinking
about
if
they'd
like
to
chair
that
and
what
all
in
a
wind
tail
and
the
new
members
can
come
in
kind
of
knowing
what
we
you
know
what
those
committees
are
I
know.
D
C
Outreach,
it
goes
something
general
I,
don't
think
we
should
do
more
than
two
or
three
committees
and
I
mean
we
may
want
to
have
three
plus
members
per
committee,
or
actually
we
need
us.
If
we
have
a
committee,
that's
going
to
meet,
they
need
to
be
less
than
a
quorum.
So
if
we're
nine,
it
will
have
to
be
three
or
four
members
so
that
we
don't
have
a
court.
C
B
B
Fake
we're
just
discussing
the
the
actions
that
positive
discussion
post
Washington
eight
subcommittees,
we're
still
gonna
bring
it
back
at
the
next
meeting,
so
we
can
bring
up
the
recognition
for
the
full
board
to
vote
on
those
committees.
So
this
is
just
a
discussion
right
now.
I,
don't
think
we
need
to
take
action
on
it.