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Planning and Zoning Committee Meeting 010622
C
Oh,
you
can
you
pronounce
your
name
for
me.
Let.
E
B
B
B
Next
time
we
have
is
the
consideration
of
the
approval
of
the
minutes
of
december
16
2021..
So
take
a
motion,
a
second
all,
those
in
favor
aye,
aye
aye.
Those
against
motion
carries
thank
you.
We
have
anybody
signed
up
for
citizens,
comments
right
now,
no.
D
Mr
chairman,
before
we
even
begin
with
the
first
item,
I
just
want
to
introduce
laura
garza.
We
call
her
roxy.
She
is
a
new
planner
too.
She
just
started
yesterday
and
so
she's
here
and
she's
here
to
help
us
her
background,
is
architecture
and
building
construction
and
she'll
be
on
board
to
help
us
with
zone
cases,
plots
historical,
all
the
different
areas.
C
F
H
Okay,
great
yes,
yes,
mr
turner,
for
the
record
applicant
is
txie
development
engineers,
guerra
engineering
proposed
uses
residential
and
commercial.
The
zoning
for
this
1461
lot
development
approximately
is
v4
r1a
and
r1
location
view
aerial
view.
I
J
Before
we
open
the
mr
sherman.
J
The
of
all
the
the
items
that
we
show
on
the
on
the
subject
to
approval.
I
noticed
that
there's
some
items
that
that
makes
it
almost
impossible
for
us
to
review
this
master
plan.
Mr
chairman,
one
of
them
being
is
that
there's
different
owners
that
are
that
wouldn't
see
any
any
any
approval,
but
those
owners
for
representation.
J
So
us
even
looking
at
that
master
plan,
not
knowing
who
the
if
the
owners
are
approving
to
this
master
plan,
then
that
will
create
us
doing
a
decision
on
something
that
we
don't
know
who
owns
it.
Secondly,
I
don't
see
approval
by
the
by
the
utilities
department
of
web
county,
and
that
is
crucial,
because
the
only
way
we
can
approve
a
master
plan
is
that
we
have
an
approval
from
the
from
the
planning
advisory
board
and
an
approval
by
the
utility
department
of
the
web
county
sheriff.
J
So
actually
this
this
plan
before
us,
this
master
plan
it
shouldn't
even
be
before
us.
This
is
incomplete.
Whatever
we
discuss
here
is
it's
not
gonna,
it's
not
gonna
have
any
any
any
weight
on
it.
Now.
J
Let
me
just
finish
real,
quick
and
because
I
see
that
that
you
don't
have
that
letter
of
approval
from
the
utilities
department,
so
we're
only
assuming
we're
only
assuming
that
those
permissions
and
approvals
will
come.
J
We
don't
know
because
you
actually
don't
have
an
approval,
see
we
don't
know
the
capacity
of
the
utility
of
the
plant
if
we
has
enough
capacity
for
the
whole
master
plan
and
the
first
phase
that
you
plan
to
develop
much
less
if
we
know
if,
if
it's
enough
or
sufficient
for
the
for
the
for
the
residents
and
and
the
community
members
that
are
residing
there.
So,
mr
chairman,
you
want
to
spend
some
time
here,
I'm
happy,
but
there's
nothing
there
that
can
actually
allow
that
master
plan
to
be
before
us.
J
K
J
L
We
did
approach,
I
think,
mr
sanchez,
on
it.
We
have
a
verbal
and
we
have
a
study
of
the
capacity
of
the
water
plant
and
that
does
have
the
capacity
for
phase
one
and
also
the
sewer
plant
has
the
capacity
for
phase
one.
But
I
do
agree
with
you
that
we
do
have
to
bring
it
in
writing,
but
we
do
have.
We
have
already
talked
to
him
and
we
have
already
an
engineer
has
done
the
studies
of
the
capacities
of
both
plants,
the
water
and
the
sewer.
Okay,.
B
Let
me
ask
you
guys
this:
you
all
haven't
discussed
that
with
the
planning
department,
because
apparently
they
were
not
aware
of
that,
because
I'm
based
on
the
comment
that
I'm
seeing
so
that's
my
question
to
to
freight.
I
guess
you
haven't
shared
that
information
with
the
planning
department.
No,
no,
no!
No!
No!
We
haven't
got
now
and
you
see
those
are
the
kind
of
things.
K
That
that
goes
on,
with,
with
the
with
the
submittal
of
the
master
plan,
the
approval
of
the
utilities
well,.
B
One
of
the
things
is,
is
this
and
I
think
everybody
has
this
concern.
Obviously
the
the
capacity
of
the
plant
that
you
grow
for
water
and
sewer
is
only
so
much
and
apparently
you
guys
just
you
just
said
it.
Yes,
it's
only
enough
to
do
phase
one,
so
that
would
indicate
to
me
that
this
whole
master
plan,
because
master
plan
is
probably
well
over
1500
connections-
would
require
an
upgrade
to
both
of
the
systems
and,
of
course,
as
you
know,
upgrades
I
don't
think
the.
B
If
the
county
follows
what
the
city
does,
it
really
goes
back
on
the
developer
for
those
upbringings,
I
don't
know
if
you've
explored,
I
mean
you've
explored
phase
one,
and-
and
I
heard
that
I
think
we
all
heard
that
the
rest
of
the
master
plan,
though,
is
it's
got
a
lot
of.
I
guess
questions.
Like
commissioner
dominguez
said
it
would
seem
that
it
might
be
behoove
everyone
just
to
look
at
phase
one
as
a
master
plan
and
not
do
the
whole
thing.
I
don't
know
well.
J
J
The
truck
that
mr
iran,
what
we
have
what
is
before
us
is
not
complete.
I
mean
actually
even
if
in
not
to
disagree
with
with
chairman,
but
the
owners
are
not
there.
Given
the
permission,
at
least
we
don't
have
a
letter
or
or
the
title
that
covers
that
particular
item
or
area.
J
Secondly,
you
verbally
talk
to
the
people
from
from
from
wake
county,
but
you
don't
have
anything
in
writing
see
so
how
come?
Are
we
even
looking
at
this
when
this
is
not
complete?
Mr
narrow,
this
shouldn't
even
be
for
us.
This
has
to
be
clean
before
it
comes
before
us.
So
that's
that's
the
way.
I
see
it,
mr
sherman,
why
are
we
even
looking
at
this?
If
we
know-
and
they
know-
and
everybody
knows
that
this
is
not
complete.
C
J
Even
that,
because
the
master
planner
looked
at
it
in
and
the
way
it's
gonna,
it's
gonna
move
in
between
the
faces.
It's
it's
not
correct,
I'm
not
an
engineer,
but
it's
obvious
that
even
texart,
it's
is
limiting
them
on
that
particular
item.
So
I
would
suggest,
mr
sherman,
that
we
deny
it
or
send
it
back
or
you
can
table
it,
mr
guerra,
and
and
try
to
clean
it
out
and
bring
it
up
more
completely
so
or
we
can.
J
We
can
actually
approve
it
with
something
in
writing,
but
the
way
it
is,
I
mean
we're
assuming
everything
and
we're
not
here
to
assume,
but
actually
we're
here
to
provide
for
the
community,
so
anything
that
we
approve
here.
It
impacts
the
community
and
impacts
who
is
not
in
the
community
but
actually
pay
taxes,
because
at
the
end,
whoever
is
going
to
be
providing
service
in
the
city
of
laredo
and
someone
that
is
living
in
del
mar
is
going
to
be
liable
for
for
for
paying
for
those
particular
services.
L
So,
that's
not
fair.
Can
I
say
yes
just
to
get
a
little
bit
more
educated
here.
What
we
did
is
we
went
and
approached
mr
sanchez
on
what
we
wanted
to
do
and
for
the
record,
who
is
mr.
C
L
He
is
the
director
for
webb,
county
water
and
sewer
okay,
and
we
approached
him
and
at
one
time
we
said,
I
told
the
engineer,
you
know
we
don't
know
we're
going
to
do
the
whole
project.
You
know
we
might
just
do
half
of
the
project,
but
then
they
told
us,
no,
you
have
to
present
the
owner,
it's
the
same
owner
for
the
whole
property
there,
okay,
so
they
recommend
it
was
recommended
that
we
present
the
whole
property
which
I
was
not
in
agreement,
but.
L
So
I
told
fred,
you
know,
I
don't
even
know
that
if
he's
gonna
build
the
whole
thing
just
part
of
it,
but
anyway
they
we
were
told
that
we
go
in
phases
that
the
plant
could
support.
You
know
that
phase
one,
but
then,
if
we
wanted
to
build
some
more
that
we
had
to
pay
for
the
improvements
of
the
sewer
plant
and
the
water
plant,
you
know
that
if
we
wanted
to
go
a
little
bit
further,
but
at
this
point
that
they
could
support,
you
know
that
phase
one.
L
So
we
said:
okay,
if
we
plan
to
build
some
more
then
we'll
come
to
you
and
we'll
tell
you
we're
gonna
build
another.
Let's
say
50
lots
and
they
will
tell
us.
Okay.
If
you
want
to
build
50
more
lots,
then
you
have
you
as
a
developer
has
to
upgrade
our
water
plan
and
you
have
to
upgrade
the
sewer
plant
and
we
talked
to
our
client
and
he
said:
that's
fine.
J
L
B
B
B
L
We
can
we
present
only
what
the
client
wants
to
build
right
now
and
not
the
whole
master
plan.
Can
we
speak
because
we
don't
know
you.
J
I'm
just
going
to
make
a
quick
comment,
mr
sherman.
What
you
need
to,
I
think
I
mean
I'm
not
going
to
tell
you
how
to
do
your
job,
but
the
first
thing
you
need
to
do
is
get
a
letter
from
web
county
utilities
and
and
from
planning
advisory
board
that
you
have
a
blessing
to
start.
Doing
that
that's
the
first
thing
you
need
to
do
was
that
a
public
hearing,
mr
german.
B
B
D
The
record
who's
here,
mr
barron,
mr
nadavis,
arrived
with
me
at
6,
10
and.
E
B
H
I
Which
is
the
the
access
to
a
lot
a
direct
access
to
my
pearson
avenue?
And
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
on
this
flat,
we
we
we're
keeping
the
same
chair
access.
I
So
we
want
to
leave
the
the
opportunity
to
continue
to.
B
A
D
So,
let's
try
to
get
our
bearings
so
down
at
the
bottom.
That
would
be,
I
just
forgot
the
name.
It's.
I
C
B
Now
the
question-
I
guess
that
also
there
was
a
comment
there
about
the
fema
map.
You've
looked
at
that
because,
if
I
remember
correctly,
this
is
a
marshall
track
and
the
marshall
track
they
rechanneled
the
creek.
I
remember
that
right,
yeah
see,
I
bought
the
land
right
so
in
that
re-channeling
of
the
creek.
I
I
C
C
B
C
B
B
H
H
I
I'm
daniel
gomez
the
engineer
record
for
this
project
and
we
agree
with
most
of
the
comments
I
just
we
accept
the
the
ones
on
from
the
water
utilities
about
the
the
master
plan.
I
I
That's
the
only
concern
that
that
we
have.
D
Just
just
a
side
note:
we've
reviewed
this
plaque
with
tech
stock
and
so
tech
starts
proposing
to
bring
in
another
traffic
light
to
the
another
traffic
light
they
were
proposing
to
put
a
traffic
light
there.
They
couldn't
justify
it
now
with
this
project.
They
feel
the
numbers.
Are
there
they're
going
to
need
a
traffic
impact
analysis,
but
eventually
you'll
get
a
traffic
light
here,
traffic
light
here
for
the
controlled
exit
of
the
of
18
meters.
I
With
txdot
and
we're
already
working
with
we're
talking
with
another
transportation
engineer,
to
help
us
to
do
the
the
tia.
B
Okay,
let
me
ask
you
on
your
variants
that
you're
asking
for
on
the
500
foot
threshold,
how
much
further
than
500
feet.
Are
you
going.
B
I
Okay,
we
have
to
extend
it
a
little
bit
more
because
because
there's
a
drain,
a
drainage
easement
and
we
put
in
a
concrete,
a
cupboard
in
order
to
construct
the
cold
attack
that
needed
to
be
away.
We
needed
to
move
forward.
Okay,
so
a
little
bit
more.
C
B
B
I
Where
we
that
it's
a
limited
capacity,
but
we
we're
also
doing
working
on
on
a
water
tank
and
a
booster
pump
just
to
provide
enough
water
for
the
fire
sprinkler
and
the
inside
consumption.
B
I
No!
No,
not
that
I
know
I'm
not
sure
no.
B
Right,
we
have
a
motion
and
we
have
a
second
all.
Those
in
favor
of
the
motion
signified
by
saying
aye,
aye
aye,
those
against
I
abstain.
One
abstention
motion
cares.
Thank
you
next
item.
We
have
preliminary
consideration
of
the
platform.
The
lender
subdivision
phase
three,
the
intended
residential.
H
M
Good
afternoon,
mr
good
afternoon
wayne
that's
reporter
center.
Yes,
sir,
I'm
gonna
get
this
off
we'd
like
to
clarify
a
couple
of
things.
I
think
we've
already
discussed
with
planning
item
number
one.
It
mentions
that
that
estudiantes
drive
extinct
was
extended
beyond
cuenca
still
does
what
we
did
is
we
did
just
a
little
change
in
the
phasing,
but
we've
agreed
to
send
them
a
revised
master
plan
after
this
and
just
to
clarify,
we
haven't
changed
any
streets
at
all
in
this
in
this
master
plan.
M
The
second
that
I
would
like
to
clarify-
I
think
I
just
need
to
is
water
and
utilities-
item
number
two.
It
says
the
original
sewer
master
plan
provided
was
not
approved
by
the
utilities
department.
That's
not
correct.
We've
already
got
a
phase
one
through
this,
so
obviously
there
was
a
water
and
sewer
master
plan
approved
as
part
of
the
one-stop
shop
process,
but
we're
going
to
work
with
them
in
the
one
stop
we
have
to.
M
We
have
to
work
with
the
utilities
department,
but
that's
just
too
strong,
with
a
statement
for
me
to
agree
to
I'd
like
to
clarify
to
the
board
that
we
are
working
with
an
improved
water
and
sewer
master
plan
and
then
the
last
thing
that
I'd
like
to
bring
up
and
possibly
have
now.
I
would
probably
like
to
stricken-
is
traffic
safety
item
number
one.
Although
there's
some
soft
language
in
here
that
that
I
appreciate
like
saying,
should
roscendo.
M
M
It
came
with
an
approved
tia
that
was
approved
by
dexa
and
the
city
and
then
now,
just
as
we
present
a
plat
out
of
this
and
with
the
same
layout
and
everything's
done,
you
know,
suddenly
traffic
department
saying
hey,
extend
this
this
a
road,
no
there's
good
reasons
why
we
didn't
do
that,
and
so
we
would
like
that
one
stricken.
If
I
need
to
go
into
greater
detail,
I
will,
but
I
think,
that's
sufficient
a
cause
to
to
to
have.
A
M
Statement
removed
so
with
those
clarifications
and
that
striking
all
the
rest
of
the
comments
we
agree
with.
Okay,.
B
M
I
I
just
wanted
on
the
record
that
that
is
not
correct.
That
is
an
incorrect
statement
that
we
did
have
an
approved
water
and
sewer
master
plan.
All
I'm
asking
is
for
the
record
to
reflect
in
your
media
minutes
that
that
is
incorrect.
There
was
an
approved
water
and
sewer
master
plan,
and
my
proof
of
it
is
the
fact
that
we
got
phase
one
through
so
obvious.
They
wouldn't
have
allowed
that
unless
we
presented
an
approved
water
and
sewer
master
plan.
M
We're
going
to
work
with
the
on
item
three
well,
of
course,
we'll
work
with
the
utilities
department,
as
as
we
move
forward
in
the
one
stop
shop
to
identify
where
they
want
the
lift
station.
Okay,
okay,.
B
M
M
What
what
this
comment
is
talking
about
is
that
they
want
this
street
to
punch
through
to
here.
Oh.
M
Plan
and
I
won't
even
get
into
other
details-
it's
just
there's
a
lot
of
reasons
why
we
wouldn't
want
to
do
that,
but
it
doesn't
matter.
This
is
the
this
went
through
all
the
channels
very
recently,
exactly:
okay,
okay,.
E
Yes,
any
other
questions.
I
just
have
a
concern
when
you
have
all
the
comments
that
are
listed
on
these
pages
and
the
applicant
comes
up
and
challenges
what's
on
there.
How
do
we
know
that
the
point
that
was
made
is
accurate
or
inaccurate,
because
we
have
only
one
person
presenting
and
you
don't
have
the
other
party.
So
there's
nobody
here
from
traffic
there's
nobody
here
from
water,
so
whether
the
plan
was
approved
or
not
approved,
we're
listening
to
one
person
present,
but
we're
not
listening
to
the
other
then,
and.
D
The
department
has
is
invited
to
come
to
these
meetings.
We
don't
they
know
the
meetings
are
here,
they
can,
they
can
show
up
and
they
can
defend
their
their
their
points
at
any
time.
As
you
all
know,
the
traffic
has
been
here
before,
but
they're
all
welcome
to
come
and
defend
their
positions
and
if
they're
not
here
well
I
mean
you
know,
then
we.
E
B
I
think,
based
on
what
commissioner
is
saying,
I
would
recommend
to
you,
as
a
planning
director,
to
talk
to
the
city
manager
to
ensure
we
do
have
representatives
from
the
utilities
department
here
and
the
traffic
department.
These
are
very
important
developments
going
forth
and
you
know,
commissioner,
is
absolutely
correct.
The
engineer
knows
what
he's
doing,
but
I
don't
know
on
the
other
side.
That's
why
we're
trying
to
it
would
be
very
helpful
to
this
commission
if
we
had
the
other
parties
are
here
to
answer
the
questions.
Also,
I.
B
And
I
would
recommend
strongly
that
you
talk
to
the
city
manager
about
making
sure
that
we
have
representatives
from
all
the
different
departments.
Do
we
have
anybody
here
from
engineering?
No,
so
it's
like
I
if
somebody
doesn't
think
that
this
is
very
important
and
I
disagree.
I
think
it's
very
important
for
the
appropriate
departments
to
be
here
to
ask
to
answer
questions
of
the
commission
members.
So
that
is
my
recommendation
to
the
city
manager.
Yes,
sir,
and
I'm
sure
this
whole
commission
I'll
make
support
that
particular.
J
Right,
mr
sherman
just
make
a
comment:
real,
quick,
I'm
sorry
to
interrupt
you,
mr
navarro.
We
want
them
to
be
here,
it's
not
if
they
have
an
option.
We
want
them
to
be
here
and
if
they
can't
be
here,
then
someone
is
going
to
have
to
go
get
him,
because
this
is
very
important.
We
cannot
have
the
engineer
hold
on.
A
J
Cannot
hold
him,
but
also
we
need
to
have
him
here,
just
as
all
the
engineers
made
time
to
be
here,
and
I
appreciate
that
when
one
of
the
engineers
show
up,
we
always
say
why
didn't
they
show
up
so
now,
mr
sherman,
you
are
correct.
They
have
to
show
up
it's
not
an
option.
They
have
to
come
here
and
help
us
yeah
because
they're
the
experts.
That
was
my
comment
all
right.
Thank.
B
H
N
Sir
good
evening,
mr
chairman,
happy
new
year
to
all
of
you
and
commissioners
thank.
C
N
The
record
my
name
is
edward,
I'm
the
principal
engineer
with
crane
engineering
here
on
behalf
of
a.r
sanchez
jr.
Our
proposed
plan
here
tonight
is
a
preliminary
plat
submission
for
your
review
and
approval.
Our
goal
here
is
to
eliminate
the
industrial
park
existing
development.
That's
there
currently
and
converted
into
a
mixed-use
commercial
development.
Over
over
time,
the
existing
plat
was
planted
in
1993
as
southern
development.
It's
there's
a
public
road
right
away
known
as
oil
patch
drive.
It's
a
70
foot
right
away.
It's
already
improved.
N
It's
been
in
the
city
street
system
for
since
1993.,
the
east
side
of
it
is
unplotted
land,
although
it
has
some
non-conforming
uses
of
warehousing.
Our
plan
here
is
to
plant
the
entire
acreage.
It's
roughly
44
acres
and
basically
re-plant
it
and
convert
it
into
a
more
commercial
development
to
kind
of
follow.
The
trends
of
land
development
in
this
area.
N
There
are
some
comments
on
that
are
being
provided
that
I'd
like
to
discuss
with
the
commission
to
either
modify
or
eliminate
primarily
there's
one
comment:
I'm
planning
I've
already
discussed
this
with
our
city.
Planner
comment
number
two
basically
talks
about
providing
a
platinum
to
restrict
the
direct
access
to
highway.
Three
to
nine.
N
We
currently
have
a
meeting
scheduled
next
week
with
with
the
texas
area
engineer,
to
discuss
this
project,
in
which
we
expect
there
to
be
a
requirement
to
develop
a
tia
and
through
a
tia
we
can
warrant
future
driveways
and
connections.
N
But
we
we
would
like
to
request
that
that
comment
be
modified
to
allow
the
the
ability
for
tech
stock
to
allow
any
driveway
connection
that
could
be
warranted
by
study,
not
that
it
will
be.
N
We
we
we're
aware
of
the
situation
along
three
to
nine
with
regard
to
level
of
service
and
what
we're
really
looking
for
in
terms
of
some
of
the
land
uses
along
the
frontage
is
just
a
right
out
exit
at
one
location,
east
of
crusader
to
to
for
to
accommodate
some
potential
land
uses
that
we're
working
on,
and
so
we
want
to
just
allow
if
we
could
just
modify
that
comment.
N
We're
not
we're
not
disagreeing
with
it.
We're
just
asking
for
the
ability
for
txdot
to
be
a
part
of
it,
and
so
I
sent
an
email
earlier
this
afternoon
to
our
city.
Planner,
asking
him
if
we
could
say
instead
of
that
comment
provide
note,
provide
flat
note,
restricting
access
to
sh-359,
subject
to
coordination
with
txdot
on
warranting
additional
driveways
and
we'd
like
to
ask
for
that
to
be
put
into
the
record.
Okay.
N
Sir,
and
then
regarding
water
and
sewer
and
utilities,
I
just
comment
number
three:
we
do
have
a
master
plan
on
file
with
the
city.
We
already
have
12
inch
water
lines
in
our
master
plan
for
the
water
and
wastewater
proposed
in
that
area.
There's
an
existing
eight
inch
water
line
along
oil
patch,
which
we
intend
to
eliminate
and
abandon
completely,
and
we
will
be
installing
two
12-inch
water
lines,
one
along
oil
patch
and
one
along
crusader,
which
will
both
tie
into
the
16-inch
that's
on
highway
3-9.
N
This
is
already
part
of
our
approved
master
plan
with
the
city
utility
department,
okay,
and
when
we
analyzed
this
these
water
and
sewer
needs
it
was
based
on
the
future
use
that
we're
discussing
tonight
item
number
seven.
We
would
like
to
ask
for
this
item
under
the
water
and
utility
to
be
removed,
as
this
property
is
already
in
the
city
limits,
so
the
annexation
of
the
property
is
not
necessary.
It
was
annexed
in
1993.
N
and
we
have
the
ordinance
available.
If
you
want
to
see
that
and
then,
with
regard
to
traffic
safety
comment,
number
two
is
fine.
We
did
provide
a
master
plan
with
our
submittal
for
this
plaque
tonight
to
the
planning
department,
and
I
know
that
perhaps
in
the
course
of
the
holiday
period,
perhaps
not,
everybody
was
able
to
see
all
the
information,
but
we
do
have
a
master
plan
proposed
and
we're
still
working
on
that
master
plan
conceptually
and
we
intend,
as
we
as
we
work
on
the
master
plan
for
this
land.
N
N
Traffic
safety,
but
I
just
want
the
record
that
these
this
information
was
provided
and
as
we
understand
that
we
have
to
provide
as
we
develop
plats
with
regard,
and
that
include
commercial.
So
with
that,
I
just
want
to
ask
that
we
remove
comet
number
seven
under
water
and
sewer
and
modified
planting
comet
number
two
right,
all
right,
so
we've
gotta
entertain
any
questions.
I.
B
Have
one
question
for
you:
20
acres,
that
you
want
to
add
to
this?
I
take
it.
That's
vacant
property!
No.
I.
N
Actually
developed
property,
it's
it's
existing
warehousing.
Okay,
that's
not
platted!
Okay,
it
has
utilities
and
it
has
septic.
So
all
that's
going
to
be
eliminated
as
we
plant
and
develop
new
a
new
land
use
plant
here.
All
this
will
be
removed.
We
are
going
to
demo
each
of
the
warehouses
independently
and
remove
all
the
warehouses
in
that
area.
N
If
you
could,
if
you
want
to
bring
this
up
here
for
us
so
basically
along
the
highway
frontage,
we're
looking
at
providing
some
restaurant
pad
sites,
some
small
commercial,
commercial,
shell
buildings
and
along
the
front
behind
the
commercial
buildings,
we're
looking
at
a
storage
unit
complex
for
about
seven
acres
and
on
either
side
of
the
storage
units.
On
the
east
side,
we
have
a
multi-family
unit
along
with
a
daycare
site
and
then
on
the
west
side.
N
We
have
a
commercial
development
to
respect
the
gas
easement
that
we
have
to
work
with
and
and
there
we're
looking
at
potential
tenants
and
and
try
to
bring
in
an
anchor
to
that
location.
Okay
to
the
south
of
that,
we
have
some
we're
actually
purpose.
I
have
on
this
plan
some
potential
additional
single
family
that
we're
not
really
sure
we're
going
to
do
that
yet
because
of
all
the
plants
and
developments
occurring
in
this
part
of
the
city.
N
But
we've
already
completed
the
southern
development
to
the
south
units,
2
3
and
4
are
completely
sold
out,
and
so
the
developer
is
considering
some
additional
single
family.
We
haven't
made
that
decision
yet,
but
if
we
do,
we
will
come
back
to
this
commission
with
a
modified
preliminary
plat
and
a
zone
change
request
at
that
time.
B
N
And
the
reason
why
we
discussed
that
internally
with
the
developer
is
that
this
is
a
44
acre
tract
and
we're
sure
we're
not
convinced
that
this
area
can
handle
44
acres,
commercial
yeah.
So
with
that
being
said,
we
said
well,
maybe
we
can
bring
in
some
more
single
family,
it's
already
located
to
the
proximity
of
359
closer
to
other,
and
that
we
can
support
all
that
single
family
to
the
south
and
east
and
west,
with
a
commercial
development
to
provide
those
services.
N
B
O
I'll
make
a
motion
motion
approved,
modifying
founding
comment:
number
two
where's,
the
tropical
signing
yeah
comment,
number
two
and
then
striking
the
changes.
O
And
striking
striking
number
seven
and
waters
utilities
yeah,
I
did
but.
B
B
The
next
item
that
we
have
is
the
preliminary
consideration
of
the
plight
of
vista
del
sur
subdivision
phase
two,
the
attendance
residential.
H
For
the
record
applicant
is
hfk,
development
llc
engineer
is
for
resonance
engineering
proposed
use
is
residential
and
the
zoning
for
the
61
law
development
is
r1
location
view.
M
Mr
chairman
wayne
announced
quarters
engineering
again,
we
agree
with
all
of
these
comments
and
but
going
back
to
traffic
safety.
I
understand
the
situation.
There's
not
not
another
side
for
you,
so
we
would
like
to
just
for
the
record
put
on
item
number
two
that
we
will
make
sure
that
the
site
distance
is
what
we
comply
with
for
the
100
feet.
They
always
ask
for
100
feet.
M
Sometimes
it's
just
not
capable
we're
going
to
work
with
him
in
the
one-stop
shop
to
accommodate
this
once
again,
just
for
the
record
I'd
like
to
noted
that
it'll
be
based
on
sight
distance,
as
the
former
traffic
director
used
to
insist
on
here
at
these
meetings,
that's
all
we
like
for
the
record
we
comply
with.
I
agree
with
all
the
comments.
B
M
B
M
M
C
I
moved
to
except
that
the
plenary
pot.
B
H
K
We
accept
comment,
number
number,
four
on
the
provide
the
shared
access
and
we
feel
that
it's
it's
a
it's
a
large
enough
track,
there's
enough
separation
between
them,
the
driveways
and,
let's
see
why
we
would
have
to
to
have
a
shared
access.
B
K
It's
it's
imagine
if
it's
from
from
the
from
that
the
guard,
the
the
garbage
beyond
so.
E
They
they
they,
where
is
the
gate
gate.
D
Right,
the
just
the
the
reason
for
the
shared
comment,
the
the
front,
that's
closest
to
to
mine's
road,
that
little
triangle
there
that's
a
b3
zone
and
then,
after
that,
that
white
centeto,
I
guess
you
call
it
over-
is
the
m1
area.
D
A
B
J
I
think
that
that
that
particular
item
could
be
removed
and
he
still
has
to
comply
on
the
permitting
so
yeah.
There's
no
option.
J
So
if
I
I'm
ready
to
make
a
motion,
if
I
may,
mr
sherman
all
right
go
ahead
and
make
a
motion
to
approve
and
strike
comment.
B
Number
four
from
planning
all
right:
we
have
a
second
all,
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye,
aye
aye.
Those
against
motion
carries.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
The
next
item
is
preliminary
consideration
of
the
plight
of
the
refugio
subdivision.
The
intended
residential.
H
C
P
The
comments,
except
for
for
just
a
couple
well
more
than
a
couple
all
of
the
utility
comments.
I
think
this
we
plan
to
use
a
septic
on
these
on
these
lots.
So
all
of
these
comments
relate
to
our
collection
system.
B
E
E
B
Because
it's
down
on
connecting
the
schools
and
all
that
area
up
there.
P
G
B
C
D
C
C
P
P
F
E
The
housing
we're
in
the
same
situation
that
we
were
on
the
other
issue,
where
we're
guessing
with
the.
P
Well,
I
think,
independent
of
how
this
the
utilities
department
would
want
us
to
the
the
planning
department
mentioned.
B
P
B
E
D
N
B
On
the
zones,
no
that's
what
you're
asking
that's
not
what
he's
asking
you
he's
asking
you
whether
the
ordinance
was
written.
Has
that
there's
a
a
minimum
of
one
acre
lots
that
you
don't
have
to
hook
up
to
a
to
a
sanitary
system.
That's
the
cities!
That's
what
he's
asking
you!
Yes,
why
don't
you
read
that.
C
A
P
P
So
with
that
said,
the
utility
comments
all
make
reference
to
lift
stations
and
sewer
lines
and
more
issues
related
to
collection
systems.
So.
P
Comments
and
then
planning
comment
number
six:
should
the
access
easement
to
the
west
be
intended
for
primary
access,
full
improvements.
P
F
B
H
Give
me
yes,
hsj
investments
ltd
engineers
top
flight
civil
group
proposed
use
is
residential.
The
zoning
for
this
47
lot
development
is
our
one
location
view.
A
P
Concur
with
all
the
comics
except
we
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
fire
comment
and
we
spoke
with
mr
captain
b
baudi
earlier
today.
I
don't
know
if
you
relate
our
our
discussion
to
you.
No,
he
didn't.
Let
me
know
of
any
changes.
Okay,
so
he
probably
didn't
change
his
mind.
So
I
didn't
do
a
good
job
I
wanted
to
see.
Can
I
get
the
projector
real,
quick
yeah
hit
the
button
right
there
right
under
the
there
you
go
there.
P
P
The
difference
between
what
we're
doing
here
since
mueller
boulevard
is
existing,
we're
adding
on
lots
and
two
streets
to
an
existing
road,
but
when
there
are
situations
that
arise
when
we
need
to
bring
in
the
collector
with
these
roads
or
with
these
lots,
then
the
platte
boundary
changes
and
the
road
accesses
actually
get
further.
Apart
into
the
plot
itself.
P
What
the
rule
that
he's
discussing
is
that
in
in
his
comment,
is
these
access
points
are
too
close.
We
need
two
access
points
because
of
the
number
of
lots,
and-
and
we
we
understand
that,
but
because
of
the
proximity
of
them
they're
not
far
enough
apart
to
meet
the
code
and
the
change
that
happens
when
we
bring
in
the
collector
is
that
the
distance
changes
from
these
two
points.
P
Well,
the
difference
is
since
I'm
not
bringing
in
muller
my
two
access
points
on
the
plat,
like
looking
at
the
plan
as
a
standalone
permit,
I
would
say
the
access
points
that's
closer
well,.
G
Actually,
all
we're
considering
is
this
small
development
you're
bringing
in
correct
that's
correct,
okay,
and
when
we
look
at
that
small
development,
the
code
asked
me
to
take
the
diagonals.
Yes,
we
took
the
diagonal,
I
think
they
had
said
it
was
like
86
right.
Yes,
so
you
need
400
440
feet
separation.
Now
we
take
that
separation
from
the
center
line
of
the
two
roads.
Yes,
when
we
take
the
center
line
that
you
have,
it's
only
270
feet,
so
just
looking
at
that
one
portion
you're
bringing
into
us
it
doesn't
have
the
the
remoteness.
I.
P
P
P
P
G
P
G
P
I
I
I
agree
with
you,
but
when
the
plot
changes-
and
I
like
I
said
this
is
hypothetical-
if,
if
I
was
planning
mueller
memorial
right
now
like
if
my
plaque
included
the
collector
that
feeds
this
area,
the
separation
turns
into
these
two
points,
because
those
are
the
two
access
points
to
the
to
the
to
the
plot
to
the
subdivision.
I.
G
G
G
B
P
P
G
P
G
G
B
P
P
Yes-
and
this
is
where
we
sometimes
get
into
little
areas
like
this,
where
man
it
doesn't
seem
like
it's
making
a
hundred
percent
sense,
it's
not
adding
a
ton
of
safety
here,
but
it
is
costing
the
city
of
laredo
tax
money
forever
and
maintenance.
We're
going
to
maintain
this.
The
city
will
maintain
this
road
forever,
even
though
it
goes
nowhere.
So.
G
Well,
but
basically
you
gotta
remember:
we
have
a
lot
of
those
areas
that
the
code
does
have
an
exception.
That
says
that
that
if
you
show
that
punch
out
for
a
future,
it
allows
you
to
move
on
with
the
construction
and
that's
where
the
code
is
trying
to
basically
meet
them
halfway.
That's
right
because.
A
G
G
P
P
E
Well,
let
me
ask
you
that,
if
you're
getting
there,
so
this
is
a
private
road
from
the
gate,
wherever
the
gate
is
to
the
inside
of
the
property.
E
P
As
of
our
records,
it
could
have
changed,
gar
ram
investments
who
gar
ram.
I
don't
I
don't
r
g.
B
F
C
F
A
P
B
C
C
B
B
N
N
B
F
You
very
much,
mr
chairman,
before
we
adjourn
just
really
quick,
I
was
uncomfortable
with
some
of
the
decisions
we
made
today,
based
on
some
of
the
other
departments
not
being
here
and
us
scratching
and
moving
and
deleting
and
adding.
So
I
really
want
to
stress
to
the
pine
director
that
those
folks
are
here
also
the
ordinance
on
the
one
acre.
F
So
if
we
can
do
that
as
well-
and
I
know
you
know-
we
can
make
a
recommendation
and
at
least
kick
it
up
to
council
if
they
want
to
accept
it,
they
accept
it.
If
not,
they
don't.
As
far
as
the
awareness
amendment
that's
fair
and
then
traffic
plans,
there's
been
a
lot
of
meetings
and
shared
access,
and
I
don't
know
if
we
can
start
asking
these
engineers
to
bring
in
actual
plans
and
counts
and
who's
going
to
how
it's
going
to
affect
the
development.
Well,
in
order.
F
B
That's
what
I'm
saying
I
think
if
we
get
the
department's
present
here,
it
would
make
things
a
lot
easier,
clearer.
Okay,
all
right,
we
have
one
item
left
item
number
10
is
consideration
of
an
extension
of
the
following
plan
and
replay
consideration
of
the
extension
of
the
preliminary
reconsideration
of
the
flat
of
the.
B
We
have
a
motion
for
the
extension
they
want
a
six-month
extension.
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
all,
those
in
favor
aye.
All
right,
josh
against
motion
carries.
Thank
you
for
motion
to
adjourn
motion,
pleasure.
We've
got
a
motion
and
a
second
thank
you
for
those
in
favor.
All
right
motion
carries.
Thank
you
all.
Thank
you
all
very
much.