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Planning and Zoning Committee Meeting 011620
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B
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E
A
You
I
have
communication
from
Commissioner
there's
Commission
bucko,
hammer
and
Google.
Can
please
excuse
them,
they
are
away
on
business
and
we
have
motions
that
emotion.
There
are
motion
in
a
second
a
second
in
a
second
all,
those
in
favor
aye
aye.
Thank
you
all
right.
Can
everybody
please
stand
for
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance.
A
Second,
second
and
the
second,
all
those
in
favor
aye
motion
carries.
Thank
you,
the
next
item.
Mister.
We
have
any
citizens
comments
at
this
point,
not
the
moment.
Thank
you
all
right
item,
6
discussion
and
recording
residential
housing
in
the
downtown
area.
Current
estimated
inventory,
current
and
future
demand
and
challenges
supplying
the
demand
will
have.
Our
plenty
of
director
gave
a
presentation
well.
E
What
we've
asked
is
a
few
staff
members
to
respond.
This
is
council
member
Commission
member
Flores
is
wanted
to
have
this
discussion,
so
I'd
ask
if
he
wants
to
lead
in
we've
brought
some
guests:
the
housing
authority,
the
building
department
and
and
we'll
answer
any
questions.
We
can
just
want
to
note
that
there
is
a
study
that
the
housing
authority
will
speak
about.
Probably
what's
that's
competed
completed.
F
C
C
C
The
point
of
view
for
this
Commission
to
prepare
and
do
our
work
so
that
we're
ready
when
we
do
get
the
housing
authority
report
and
then
see
how
this
Commission
can
play
a
role
in
bringing
about
the
development
in
the
downtown
area,
because
we
have
a
very
beautiful,
downtown
and
I
guess
I'm,
just
at
a
long
string.
So
that's
kind
of
where
this
began.
G
Okay,
all
right
mr.
Gaines,
oh
good
evening,
my
name
is
Jerry
beat
Sean
I'm,
the
building
official
for
the
building
development
services
and
I
was
asked
by
mr.
Kirby
to
provide
some
type
of
the
outlook
of
downtown
area.
So
I
looked
at
a
boundaries
between
the
north
and
south,
from
Scott
to
Water
Street
influence
on
Tallulah,
so
that
some
things
have
it.
Although
I
removed
the
east
part
and
I
stopped
Santa
Maria,
because
we
know
that
residential
in
the
other
life
that
other
side
were
more
interested
in
this
downtown
area.
G
So
that's
pretty
much
that
over
for
you.
So
what
I
did
find
was
we've
really
keep
information
specific
to
units
since
we
issue
a
permits
for
the
residents
or
the
site,
so
I
went
to
look
at
one
meters
and
so
I
found
that
in
that
area
between
the
downtown
area,
that
I
told
you
about
between
Scott
and
water
and
some
no
it's
not
it's.
G
In
the
middle
we
have
96
accounts,
total
of
those
two
counts:
138
meters
make
392
units
and
then
in
the
commercial
site,
there's
30
meters
with
38
units,
okay
and
certificates
of
occupancy.
For
that
state
amounted
area.
We
only
had
Jew
this
last
year
and
one
in
2018,
so
we
didn't
have
anything
residential
or
no
family.
Really
in
that
area,
I
mean
I've
also
looked
at
permits
to
see,
if
anything,
but
we
don't
have
it
separate
to
apartment,
multi-family
and
so
I.
G
E
We
have
roughly
four
hundred
residential
residential
units,
it's
an
estimate
based
on
meters
that
serve
residential
units.
Well,
so
that's
multifamily
in
downtown
and
in
the
last
three
four
years
we've
seen
three
certificates
of
occupancy
for
new
residential
units.
So
your
assumption
that
yeah,
there's
not
nothing's
happening
with
downtown
housing
is
correct.
E
There
is
some
there,
that's
been
there
for
a
while,
but
we
haven't
seen
anything
new
really
come
in
and
I,
wouldn't
guess
if
we
went
back
further
we'd
see
the
same
thing,
one
or
two
a
year
for
the
last
several
years,
one
two
or
nothing
a
year,
the
last
several
years,
so
we
that
I
asked
Jerry
to
provide
that
information.
That
could
be
our
starting
point
for
a
short.
The
reason
why
why
is
that
the
case
yeah.
A
A
Its
parking
also,
sometimes
the
structure,
don't
have
adequate
parking.
So
it's
all
street
parking.
Those
have
been
a
few
of
the
minor
obstacles
that
we're
not
going
to
say,
they're
major
obstacles,
because
there
was
always
ways
that
we
look
to
being
able
to
provide
parking,
whether
through
parking
garages
that
our
city
has
established
or
other
means
of
you
know
things
but
I
think
a
lot
of
it
has
to
do
with
the
cost
of
the
development
and
then
again,
the
second
phase
of
that
is
okay.
A
How
big
is
my
customer
base
and
who
is
my
customer
that
would
you'll
be
willing
to
come
and
live
in
me?
Let's
say
you
develop
house,
you
know
the
other
thing
that
has
to
be
looked
at,
that
we
looked
at
I
looked
at
personally
only
25
years
ago.
It's
the
concept
of
the
downtown
area,
as
you
all
know
that
the
structures
they
were
stores
and
back
then
years
and
years
ago,
your
deliveries
came
by
truck.
So
you
had
to
store
your
merchandise.
A
We
looked
at
the
concept
and
we
went
to
Cincinnati
Ohio
to
look
their
concept
of
loft
apartments
over
retail
stores,
and
we
were
looking
in
the
room
very
close
to
developing
something
in
the
old
kress
building
and
unfortunately
it
it
fell
apart.
I
mean
it
was
a
shoe
there
with
ownership.
After
a
while,
but
I
think
that
a
lot
of
the
area
in
some
areas
in
the
downtown
can
be
looked
at.
Will
we
have
to
do
modifications?
A
Yes,
it
would
probably
be
costly,
because
under
the
fire
code,
if
you're
under
you
know,
it's
recombination
and
Ruben
can
speak
to
this.
Most
of
those.
Some
of
those
properties
are
not
sprinkled
and
they
may
have
to
be,
and
they
may
not
just
depends
on
the
square
footages
and
stuff,
but
because
of
a
good
passivity
on
the
mark.
Almost
you
know
together
that
presents
a
little
bit
of
a
heavy
weight,
so.
C
D
Me,
commissioner,
Swann
and
eBay
for
the
record
fighting
the
systems
administrator
for
the
housing
authority.
I,
don't
know
if
you
all
are
familiar
with
the
inner
city
revival
campaign
that
we
haven't
the
Housing
Authority
ongoing
our
summit
last
year.
The
inner
city
housing
summit
was
part
of
that.
We
have
another
at
the
end
of
April
this
year
as
well.
I
know
some
of
you
were
there
so
through
this
we're
trying
to
see
find
ways
to
revitalize
our
inner
city,
not
just
downtown
but
inner
city
neighborhoods.
D
So,
basically
any
anything
inside
for
the
read
system
of
Laredo
they're
doing
this
work
we
found
out,
you
know,
there's
a
gap
right,
there's
a
need
for,
of
course,
housing
in
the
inner
city.
There
is
maybe
so
affordable
housing,
but
it
might
not
be
in
the
best
conditions
might
not
be
quality
housing.
So
we
thought
it
was
important
to
create
a
study
to
find
different
ro
eyes
for
developers
and
stakeholders
to
be
able
to
utilize
this
data
and
see.
D
You
know
why
they
should
invest
in
the
inner
city,
downtown
and
interesting
maid
rights
I
mean
HR,
n8
they're,
based
in
New
York.
They
have
offices
in
Dallas,
they
have
been
here
ready.
They
met
with
several
stakeholders,
including
some
elected
officials
developers
as
well,
something
that
reason
that
they
told
us
that
they
found
out
it
there.
Some
my
first
they've
saw
that
a
lot
of
people
that
live
in
the
inner
city
actually
commute
out
to
the
outer
city
for
work.
D
Yes,
that's
one
thing
for
they're,
looking
at
they're,
looking
at
different
gaps
in
terms
like
income
sorta,
for
what
people
in
the
different
income
brackets
in
the
inner
city
can
afford.
I
think
this
is
gonna,
help
kind
of
talk
a
little
bit
about
like
who
is
the
market
right,
but
also
is
there
another
market,
like
you
know
young
professionals,
many
that
are
interested,
there's
just
no
supply
out
there
for
them.
So
maybe
you
can
see
how
we
can
incentivize
that
that's
something
that
we've
been
doing
also
through
the
inner
cities.
D
Steering
committee
is
trying
to
find
ways
to
incentivize
development.
So
that's,
hopefully
a
study
will
give
us
some
of
those
ideas
that
one
of
their
deliverables
would
be
to
give
us
a
a
policy
toolkit.
So
that
now
help
us.
Maybe
look
at
some
incentives
that
we
could
implement,
together
with
our
stakeholders
of
City,
to
be
able
to
incentivize
to
incentivize
development
in
the
inner
city
in
downtown
Laredo.
D
C
D
That's
correct:
some
of
the
work
is
gonna,
be
based
on
some.
What
are
the
obstacles
to
telling
face
some
of
the
work
that
we've
been
doing?
A
thousand
voters
through
some
construction
development
and
speaking
with
our
developers?
We
may
identify
its.
You
know
early
on
some
some
obstacles,
but
you
know
if
this
would
be
paid
in
a
written
report
and
hold
more
more
teeth.
D
So
that
is
one
thing
and
then
also
that
policy
toolkit
that
Iman,
no,
you
know
show
what
type
of
tools
you
can
use
policy
tools
they
can
be
incentives
will
be
fiscal
tools
or
just
other.
You
know,
I,
guess
development
incentive
tools,
like
maybe
allowing
higher
densities
in
certain
areas.
Things
of
that.
D
D
Sometimes
it
like
single
family
lots,
there's
some
sort
apps
that
need
to
be
relocated,
so
there's
cost
associated
with
that
that's
another
barrier
to
another
purse
and
conversations
with
developers.
You
know
it's
basically,
sometimes
they
just
see
an
easier
to
develop
in
the
outer
city,
because
it's
you
know
they're
how
all
these
different
obstacles
who
go
through
in
the
inner
city,
one
of
them
being
also
like
land
hanger
issue.
Sometimes
there's
like
the
tile
is
not
clear
things
like
that,
so
it's
just
easier
or
they
see
easier
on
the
outside
of
the
inner
city.
D
E
Was
definitely
part
of
the
comp
plan
to
look
at
how
we're
how
we're
using
and
reusing
our
inner
city
and
as
we're
staffing
up
that
we
have
long-range
buyers
that
can
look
at
some
of
these
proactive
ways,
we're
going
to
be
assisting
and
partnering
with
organizations
like
the
Housing
Authority
they're.
Looking
at
these
these
issues,
you
know
one
of
the
biggest
components
here
that
we
we
may
or
may
not
be
able
to.
E
Impact
is
just
the
reality
of
the
market
here
in
the
radome,
even
though
there
are
a
lot
of
cities
of
this
size
and
smaller
throughout
Texas
and
the
country
that
have
seen
some
of
this
redevelopment.
What
you'll
find
is
that
they're
part
of
a
metro
area,
that's
much
larger,
and
so,
even
though
it's
a
smaller
town,
maybe
a
smaller
town
in
the
San
Antonio
area
or
in
the
Houston
area.
This
this
process
of
redevelopment
is
really
a
nitch.
It's
you
don't
have
a
lot
of
big
developers
in
this
market.
It's
it's
it's
smaller,
homebuilder,
smaller!
E
You
know
construction
companies
that
will
take
on
a
project
like
this.
Now
in
the
San
Antonio
area.
With
all
of
those
municipalities,
there
are
all
those
opportunities
for
older
housing
and
redevelopment.
You
might
find
a
few
companies
that
have
enough
that
they
can
jump
around,
but
for
the
part
for
us,
in
the
Rado
being
as
far
centers
we
are
like,
like
was
brought
up.
E
E
A
F
E
Thousand
Jerry:
do
you
remember
we
looked
that
number
up
about
twelve
hundred
years,
so
does
close,
though
twelve
hundred
units
a
year
and
of
those
units,
if
you
asked
yourself,
okay
of
all
the
people
on
the
radio
that
are
buying
a
home,
how
many
of
them,
what
percent
of
those
do
you
think,
would
want
to
purchase
home
downtown?
It's
not
gonna,
be
everybody
because
some
people
have
families,
and
so
what
would
you
say
of
the
hundred
of
the
total?
What
subset?
C
Could
we
Cullen
I,
know
the
point
you're
trying
to
make
and
I
understand
that,
but
I
think
I
think
when
I
think
of
downtown
living
I,
don't
think
about
ownership,
I,
think
of
rental
and
I
think
that
Laredo
probably
has
a
very,
very
high
market
for
people
looking
to
rent
and
I.
Think
in
my
experience
within
cities
with
downtown's
that
have
living
there's
very
little,
that
is
available
for
purchase
I
mean
maybe
some
cities
like
New
York
I,
have
a
lot
of
purchase
property
you
can
purchase
because
that's
there's
no
other
alternatives.
C
E
C
E
Definitely
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
that
and
the
study
from
the
housing
authorities
producing
it's
going
to
be
very
helpful,
but
I
just
want
to
set
kind
of
a
realistic
context
that
if
we
say
it's
5%
of
the
total
that
would
come
downtown
of
those
new
units.
We're
talking
about
sixty
units
a
year
and
that's
really
a
niche.
In
terms
of
you
know
a
construction
company
home
builder,
a
developer.
The
focus
attention
that
very
specific
knowledge
on
one
part
of
not.
C
C
C
This
is
why
I
wanted
to
bring
this
item
up,
because
what
I
want
to
make
sure
we
do
as
a
commission
and
and
as
an
extension,
your
department
is
not
come
to
with
preconceived
conclusions
that
the
housing
isn't
going
to
be
a
big
sell,
that
there
can't
be
a
large
rental
market
in
the
downtown
area.
I
think
we
can
I
mean
the
buildings.
Are
beautiful,
I
mean
if
you're
spending
think
about
it.
C
C
I
think
there's
at
least
a
thousand
people
who
would
pay
$1,200
a
month
to
live
downtown
where,
in
this
video,
three
hundred
thousand
I
think
there
could
be
at
least
one
thousand
two
hundred
people.
So
how
many
that's
you
know
a
thousand
two
hundred
units
that's
compared
to
like
one
or
two
a
year.
Okay,.
J
In
Vice,
thank
you.
It's
a
jerk,
so
once
already
spoken
a
little
bit
about
it,
but
part
of
the
the
objective
of
the
study
is
to
come
back
with
a
policy
kit
that
says
these
are
policies
and
centers
that
have
been
used.
We
and
we
charge
them
with
looking
at
San
Antonio
Brownsville
looked
at
other
cities,
El
Paso
this
firms
don't
work
in
San
Antonio
with
their
their
reinvestment
initiative
for
housing,
investment
issues.
J
So
they'll
come
back
very
specifically
and
say
in
order
to
get
down
housing
in
downtown
Laredo,
you
need
so
much
for
housing
unit
and
that's
it's
probably
a
kickstart
type
policy,
because
you
don't
want
to
do
that
over
the
long
term.
But
it's
not
happening
organically
I
didn't
know
what
Jerry
just
shared
three
permits
in
two
years:
I
mean
I
kind
of
had
a
feeling,
but
I
didn't
know.
J
It
was
that
that
debt
down
here
so
ultimately,
but
what's
gonna,
drive
where
we
would
need
your
support,
is
in
validating
these
policies
and
saying
it's
not
happening
organically.
We
need
to
kick
started.
We've
shared
in
the
last
couple
of
years.
We've
circulated
our
own.
The
committee's
own
version
of
what
a
policy
kit
would
look
like
and
we're
talking
about
doing
this
saying
if
you
want
fifty
units
a
year,
this
is
what
it's
going
to
take
because
developers
aren't
coming.
J
We
have
an
example
right
now:
the
housing
authority
he's
got
a
contract
on
a
building
downtown
and
the
environmental
is
not
good.
There's
a
substantial
remediation,
that's
required
on
top
of
an
elevator
and
then
the
most
important
thing
that
we're
seeing
well
one
of
the
most
important
things
where
there's
costs
involved
is
an
infrastructure,
the
taps,
your
fire,
tap
your
water
tap
your
sewer
tap.
If
that's
in
an
incentive
concept,
if
the
city
could
contribute
all
or
part
of
that
work
that
could
also
motivate
some
Pratt,
the
private
sector
for
the
housing
authorities.
J
Some
things
are
going
to
be
easier,
but
there
are
some
other
things
that
are
going
to
be
harder
right.
So
for
us
we
leverage
public
monies,
that's
a
little
easier
for
the
private
sector.
They
don't
have
that
leverage,
if
you
add
a
new
sewer
in
water
tap
and
that's
thirty
thousand
between
the
two.
Even
if
you
don't
have
an
elevator
they'll
say
no
I'm
not
doing
that,
we
might
accept
it
because
we
have
a
mission
right,
an
affordable
housing
mission,
but
the
private
sector.
Doesn't
the
question
about
rents
came
up?
There
is
no!
You
know.
J
We've
got
about
fifty
percent
poverty
in
this
area.
Right
next
door
have
got
to
about
forty
eight
percent
poverty.
So
we're
not
going
to
be
we're.
Not
we're.
Gonna
have
to
pioneer
the
rents
in
downtown.
What
I
mean
by
that
is
we're
gonna
have
to
set
that
bar
we're
in
in
our
redevelopment,
not
property.
J
We're
looking
at
it's
about
twelve
thousand
square
feet,
it's
looking
to
bring
market
housing
with
maybe
one
or
two
low-income
units,
because
what
we
need
down
here
is
not
more
low
income,
we're
driving
that
that
poverty
radar
of
ourselves
got
two
hundred
and
sixty
units
that
are
that
are
poverty
between
Hamilton,
the
senior
home,
so
ultimately
bottom
line
is
the
city
will
be
asked
to
kick-start
the
redevelopment
and
I
think
the
number
I
don't
know
where
Kirby
came
up
with
six
minutes?
Probably
just
a
number
up.
J
J
Besides,
that
is,
is
for
me
if
the
taps
could
be
resolved.
If
you
say
to
a
developer,
we're
gonna
give
you
fresh
new
taps
that
could
be
encouraging
because
they
can
go
get
them
outside
the
loop.
They
are
getting
them
so
that
that's
it
yeah.
What
the
city
of
San
Antonio
has
done
is
they've
allocated
recently
and
they've
gone
through
an
evolution.
Is
it
dedicated
$10,000
for
infrastructure
per
unit
right
so
that
the
developer
could
use
that?
Basically
they
get
they
get
a
contribution
to
to
do
that
they
all
what
they
also
do.
J
Is
the
city
acquires
Lots
in
the
inner
city
and
the
city
gets
them
builder,
ready,
basically
taps.
It's
been
infrastructure,
other
issues
and
then
they
put
them
out
to
the
market
for
developers
that
are
looking
to
do
that.
So
I'm
not
wanting
to
push
too
much
on
the
city,
because
there's
roles
for
the
city
but
I
think
here
would
just
be
a
kickstart
role.
It
wouldn't
be
I
mean
you
don't
want
to
incentivize,
where
you
don't
need
it,
but
right
now
it's
pretty
obvious
that
we
needed
not
even
talking
about
the
commercial
sector.
J
We've
got
no
multifamily
happening
in
downtown,
so
I
think
you
will
play
a
critical
role
and
what
Jerry
did
today
for
me
was
validating
as
I
hadn't
looked
at
multifamily
downtown
in
terms
of
permitting
the
detail
that
he
went
into
and
how
he
did
that.
That
was
very
helpful.
Of
course,
we
we,
we
kind
of
feel
it.
We've
been
assuming
it,
but
the
policy
kid
will
be
very
specific
and
it'll,
be
him.
It'll
be
based
on
what
other
cities
are
doing
so
hopefully
that'll
be
helpful,
but.
J
Have
a
few
more
weeks,
it
should
be
done
by
end
of
February.
Really
their
goal
was
January
31st,
so
they
may
they
made
it
that
morning
and
we
have
them
program.
We
actually
have
at
them
program
to
come,
make
a
presentation
right
after
they're
done,
but
since
the
summit's
kind
of
in
the
90
day
window,
we
tell
them
well,
you
can
come
make
a
presentation
at
the
summit.
J
The
idea
with
that
and
honestly
for
everybody
is
to
get
ahead
of
City
Planning
in
terms
of
budgeting
and
other
things
that
are
gonna
happen
that
really
start
in
April.
So,
but
we
have
a
huge
lift
in
the
multifamily
world
to
be
able
to
convince
we're.
Gonna
compete
against
other
things.
You
know-
and
that's
just
our
reality.
We
know
that,
but
it
starts
small,
maybe
50s,
not
maybe
it's
too
much
to
do
50
in
the
first
year.
J
So
maybe
we
do
less
we're
looking
at
this
redevelopment
this
project,
if
it
happens
now
we
have
a
setback
that
we
just
learned
about
yesterday
or
day
before
with
this
environmental.
Just
so
you
get
a
sense,
this
environmental
issue,
you
will
impact
about
$100,000
to
this
project.
We
may
do
it
because
we
have
a
mission.
A
developer
is
not
going
to
do
that.
They
turn
right
back
and
say
I'm
not
doing
it.
Okay,.
I
Like
you,
I
just
have
a
question,
one
more
person,
so
just
would
your
study
include
the
supplies
and
and
saturation
of
apartments
or
residential,
oh
no,
a
multi-family
single-family,
how
many
we
have
in
the
market?
How
many
are
vacant
right
or
going
to
be
developed
in
the
next
two
years?
And
then
the
demand?
How
many
people
are
going
to
need
housing,
multifamily
and
single-family
I
know
there
was
a
study
done
in
2012,
I
think
I
did
it,
but
then
there
hasn't
been
done
after
that.
Yes,
actually
they're.
J
A
E
We
don't
have
any
specifics
now,
but
part
of
the
reason
was
to
get
some
feedback
from
you
before
we
come
back
with
wit
and
ordinance
for
recommendation
to
Council.
So
one
of
the
issues
right
now
is
that
the
definitions
in
the
code
are
inadequate
and
so
we're
trying
to
classify
a
project
that
might
be
brought
in
it's
difficult
to
fit
in
and
that
will
become
the
reason.
That's
an
issue
will
become
a
pair
in
just
a
second,
but
as
you
can
see
that
no
one-
it's
not
it,
the
term
is
not
townhome.
E
It's
actually
townhouse
in
our
in
our
in
our
ordinance.
We
have
two
definitions
which,
which
provides
some
confusion
about
what
it
may
be,
that
we're
referring
to
when
we
refer
to
the
townhouse
so
and
under
this
definition,
a
duplex
would
be
considered
a
townhouse,
and
so
we
can't
distinguish
those
someone
could
could
have
a
at
a
duplex
project
that
would
be
considered
townhouse
project.
So
our
definitions
need
to
be.
They
do
better
than
you
more
specific.
E
To
avoid
the
confusion
now,
right
now
the
zones
that
are
approved
for
a
townhouse,
we
have
several
that
are
as
of
right.
Those
are
a
couple
residential
and
then
several
commercial
districts,
and
then
we
have
a
couple
zones,
residential
that
are
proof
the
special
use
permits
now.
Do
you
ever
see
townhouses?
E
Well,
I?
Guess
you
wouldn't?
If
they,
if
they're
as
a
bright,
you
wouldn't
see
them,
but
what
you
do
see
is
that
they
come
in
through
the
SUV
through
the
special
use
permit
process.
So
if
someone
what's
a
bill,
townhouse
is
they're,
not
building
them
unless
they're
coming
in
for
an
SUV,
and
the
reason
is
because
currently
there
is
no,
there
is
no
guidance
in
the
ordinance
on
how
a
townhouse
project
can
be
developed.
E
So
what
they
do
is
they
come
to
the
Planning
Commission
and
then
they
want
to
want
to
adjust
those
recommendations
using
a
special
use
permit.
Now
that
creates
a
challenge,
because
the
special
use
permit,
as
it's
written
in
the
ordinance,
does
not
change
the
zoning
on
the
land,
but
establishes
a
permit
for
a
specific
use
with
an
approved
plan.
So
in
other
words,
if
somebody
brings
an
SUV
in,
they
should
not
be
using
that
SUV
to
to
go
lower
than
what
the
ordinance
requires.
E
Who
can
apply
conditions
that
are
more
strict,
but
you
can't
use
the
SUV
to
to
take
away
or
to
ignore
rules
that
there
are
already
there
and
that's
what's
that,
that's
what's
taking
place
in
the
past.
We
have
we
have
with
requirements
that
have
been
ignored
through
an
SCP
process
and
according
to
our
own
ornaments.
We're
not
allowed
to
do
that.
E
So
the
reason
someone
comes
in
for
an
SUV
is
because,
if
it
worked
the
way
the
ordinance
was
written,
an
applicant
would
come
in
for
a
special
use
permit
to
say:
can
I
build
townhomes
in
this
zone
and
the
pun
equation
would
say:
yes,
so
that
allows
them
to
build
it,
and
then
the
rules
for
a
townhouse
would
still
apply
with
the
underlying
goal.
So
because
we
don't
have
something
in
the
orange
that
says.
Ok,
if
you,
if
the
Planning
Commission
says
yes
to
a
townhome,
then
don't
apply
these.
E
These
underlying
rules
to
the
zone
apply
these
new
rules
specifically
for
townhouses.
We
don't
have
those
new
rules
for
townhouses,
so
what
they
do
is
because
we
have
the
underlying
rules
for
the
zone.
They
ask
in
the
SP
that
you
apply
some
conditions
to.
Let
them
make
it
this
or
you
know,
or
change
around
the
design,
something
that
fits
them.
What
that
does
for
the
city?
Is
it
it?
We
don't
get
consistent
development
when
it
comes
to
townhouses
and
it
creates
it
creates
issues.
E
E
Some
of
the
issues
that
we've
had
with
townhouses
and
we
sat
down
his
staff
we've
also
sat
down
with
with
developers
and
builders.
We
want
to
do
that.
Additionally,
if
we
come
back
with
a
recommendation
for
you,
we
want
to
come
back
and
and
actually
have
input
more
from
both
staff
and
from
developers
and
builders
who
are
looking
at
this.
Some
of
the
issues
we've
had
are
with
lot
wits.
You
know
townhouses
as
a
product.
The
reason
you
pointed
this
out,
Commissioner
called
a
last
time
or
one
of
the
previous
times.
E
The
reason
that's
more
popular
than
condos
is
because,
as
a
forceout
product,
a
lot
easier
to
finance
a
townhouse
and
it
is
a
condo
and
so
builders
want
to
build
it,
a
product
that
is
placed
on
its
own
land
so
that
they
can
sell
it
and
get
financed
easier.
That
way
to
do
it,
there's
more
customers
looking
for
the
product
than
there
would
be
a
customer
looking
for
a
condo.
What
happens,
though,
to
keep
it
affordable
to
match
a
certain
price
they're,
making
these
things
skinnier
and
skinnier,
or
the
width
smaller
and
smaller?
E
Because
of
that
it
creates
some
challenges.
Where
do
we
put
the
utility
meters
in
the
front
oftentimes
cars
park
on
top
of
those
and
utilities
aren't
able
to
be
checked
or
the
radar
that
we
have
can't
read
because
it
cars
on
top
of
it,
because
the
wits
get
so
short.
We
can't
use
off
street
parking
anymore
because
the
homes
are
the
driveways
are
so
close
together.
So
we
end
up.
Doing
is
red
curbing
the
whole
thing
once
you
go
to
the
examples.
E
First
of
those
are
had
some
challenges,
and
so
then
we're
red
curbing
the
the
entire
townhouse
development,
and
then
who
do
you
think
they
call
when
there's
parking
issues?
Do
they
call
the
developer?
No,
they
call
the
city
to
come
in,
for
so
there's
an
expense.
There
there's
an
issue
there
with
enforcement
that
we've
got
to
come
back
to.
It
also
creates
a
safety
concern
for
fire
trucks
that
often
are
trying
to
maneuver
a
street
that
whose
width
is
shorter
them
to
public.
So
this
is
a
recent
development,
the
Escondida
townhouses.
E
You
can
see
an
example
here.
The
the
driveways
are
spaced
in
a
way
that
did
not
allow
for
off
street
parking,
and
so
the
whole
thing
was
red,
curb
dunno.
If
you
can
see
that
there
and-
and
that
creates
a
challenge
with
people,
as
we
know,
typically
have
two
or
three
cars,
and
so
one
there's
one
of
many
solutions.
E
It
doesn't
give
them
space
to
place
the
utilities
in
a
way
that
would
be
effective
now
as
a
product.
I
understand
these
have
been
very
popular
because
they're
hitting
a
price
point
that
it's
very
hard
to
meet
with
single-family
detached
housing.
So
these
are
great.
These
have
been
great
developments,
they're
built
to
good
quality.
It's
just
there's
some
design
elements
that
make
it
very
challenging
when
they're
built
people
that
live
there
and
then
for
the
city
as
well.
E
But
let's,
let's
look
at
a
good
example
from
an
older
one
of
the
design
things
that
we're
looking
at
implementing
where
you
might
have
a
it
would
allow
a
developer
to
decrease
the
widths
as
if
they
provided
an
alley
in
the
back,
and
then
that
way
you
could
space
out
the
meters
so
in
front
something
bad
you
could
put.
You
could
put
the
garage
and
back
so
it
doesn't
have
to
be
as
well
in
the
front
you're.
E
Yes,
but
it
gives
an
option.
We
wouldn't
require
it,
but
we
would
provide
an
option
that
you
could.
You
could
shrink
the
widths
if
you
are
being
that's
just
one
option
we're
looking
at
it's
not
in
the
direction.
We
necessarily
have
to
go
yeah.
We
don't
have
to
go
to
in-depth
on
all
of
it.
We
will
share
this
link
with
you
and,
if
you
want,
you
can
explore
some
of
the
townhome
developments
as
well
yourself.
E
So,
like
I
mentioned,
there's
multiple
definitions
which
lack
clarity,
it's
approved
as
of
right
in
some
zones,
but
for
others
they
have
to
come
through
su
P,
there's
some
design
issues
and
then
you've
got
the
SCP
process,
which
slows
down
ads
time
to
projects.
What
we
would
like
to
do
is
make
townhome
development
as
of
right,
so
they
don't
have
to
come
through
for
an
SUV
through
Planning,
Commission
and
Council.
What
we
would
like
to
do,
that
is
the
case
with
other
types
of
development.
E
We
would
like
to
make
it
approve
with
the
site
plan
that
comes
to
Planning
Commission,
but
they
don't
have
to
go
to
Council
for
any
final
approval
and
wait
an
additional
month
or
more
for
a
first
and
second
reading.
Instead,
they
would
just
come
to
Planning
Commission
with
a
site
plan.
You
would
still
get
approval
to
say.
Yes,
this
looks
good
once
they've
got
their
approved
site
plan
boom
they're
in
business,
they
can
go
so
it
would
save
them
time
and
it
could
be
as
of
right
everywhere.
E
In
the
city
and,
like
I
said,
we
want
to
sit
down
and
talk
more
with
all
the
departments,
but
we
definitely
want
to
sit
down
as
well
with
the
developers
and
home
builders
who
do
that.
Who
build
this
product,
make
sure
we're
not
suggesting
something
something
that
is
unreasonable,
but
we
do
need
to
have
standards
that
are
consistent.
That
eliminates
some
of
the
issues
that
we've
seen.
E
Until
we
have
some
guidelines,
that
doesn't
mean
you
have
to
wait
till
we
adopt
the
ordinance,
but
once
we
have
some
established
guidelines,
then
you
can
apply
them
to
the
SUV
that
might
come
in
in
the
next
month
or
two
the
projects
that
are
because
we
know,
if
you
are
in
the
pipeline
coming
your
way.
We
don't
want,
slows
down
too
much.
K
K
A
E
Mr.
director,
thank
you
you'll
notice.
Today
we
have
a
slightly
different
format,
change
for
our
presentation,
and
this
is
how
we
like
to
proceed
forward
at
the
end
of
this.
When
we
have
directors
comments,
I'd
like
to
get
some
your
feedback
on
how
we
did
this
future
will
be,
my
staff
will
be
presenting
where
I'm
gonna
present
all
these
today.
So
this
agenda
is
agenda
item
8
aids,
public
hearing
and
recommendation
of
an
ordinance
for
zone
case
15
2020,
the
applicant
is
mister,
better
know,
V
with
and
he's
the
owner
applicant.
E
This
is
a
1500
point.
15
acre
lot
located
at
420
North
Meadow
Avenue
they're,
requesting
to
go
from
b1,
which
is
limited
business
district
to
b3,
which
is
a
Community
Business,
District
participation
and
the
proposed
used
is
a
used
car
lot.
As
of
today,
the
letters
of
support
are
0,
the
in
support
0
against
just
so
you
can
see
kind
of
a
general
location.
This
is
in
where
420
North
Avenue
is
located.
E
E
E
E
And
then
here's
a
view
of
the
future
land
use
map.
You
can
see
that
this
area
is
designated
neighborhood
mixed-use
they
reduce
use,
allows
for
the
intent
is
that
we
see
a
mix
of
businesses
and
residential.
So
our
staff
recommendation
is
supporting
this
own
change.
The
proposed
be
three
zone,
complies
the
future
land
use
map,
it's
compatible
with
a
mix
of
uses
that
you
can
see
in
the
RFU.
If
you
head
down
that
corridor
and
the
property
complies
with
the
minimum,
want,
what's
required
for
the
new
zone.
E
A
A
K
L
K
L
L
A
This
the
minutes
clarify
a
little
bit.
Basically,
this
is
only
matter
okay,
but
they're.
Asking
you
for
is
I
want
this
home,
because
this
is
what
I'm
proposing
to
do
in
the
future.
How
they
do.
It
then
becomes
an
issue
of
building
permits
right,
okay,
so
the
use
of
the
land
is
what
they're
asking
you
for
for
that
particular
use.
Think
of
the.
F
A
Again
that
now
becomes
an
enforcement
issue
in
the
city
of
Laredo
I
mean
obviously
any
business
has
to
be
within
their
own
property
lines
and
it
must
meet
the
guidelines
of
whatever
the
land
development
code
has
for
that
particular
type
of
business.
If
they
don't,
then
it
becomes
an
enforcement
issue.
That's
really
what
it
is
at
this
point,
but
they
asked
whether
that's
our
proposed
use
but
you're
right.
If
you
change
the
zone,
there
is
a
whole
slew
of
things
that
can
be
done
now.
Is
this
in
the
best
interest
of
this
whole
area?
A
M
M
M
A
In
a
second
and
the
second,
all
those
in
favor
I
goes
against.
Motion
carries.
Thank
you.
The
next
item
we
have
is
gonna,
be
item
eight
feet.
I
don't
make.
He
is
of
the
caring,
letting
the
zone
in
order
to
the
city.
Later
by
rezoning,
approximately
seven
point:
seven
six
acres
located
east
of
I-35
and
west
of
Springfield
Avenue
from
v4
to
r1,
beat
mr.
Kirby
sniping
you're
off
sir.
E
The
applicant
is
Andrew
Brittingham
TV
Land
Holdings,
whose
is
representative
property,
as
you
described
it
seven
point:
seven:
six
acre
tract
of
land
located
east
of
I-35
and
west
of
Springfield
Avenue,
going
from
a
B
for
highway
commercial
district,
proposing
an
r1
be
seen
family
I
in
city
residential
district
proposed
uses
residential.
As
of
today.
There
was
one
letter
of
support
and
one
letter
against
this
is
where
the
tract
of
land
is
located.
E
E
Use
map,
which
shows
again
the
mixed
youth
center
designation
for
the
future
land
use
which
would
allow
us
to
encourage
both
presidential
and
life
business.
It
says
no
staff
recommendation
is
to
support
the
zone
change
because
the
proposed
r1v
zone
complies
with
the
future
land
use
map
designation.
The
next
view
Center
and
proposed
zoning
and
use
is
compatible
with
the
uses
already.
N
K
And
any
good
back
to
to
the
fact
that
we
change
history
on
a
piece
of
land
to
an
r1
beat
and
I
see
that
we
have
an
access
road
on
it,
but
we
don't
have
any
description
as
to
how
many
lost
more
than
I
have
there.
How
can
I
impact
the
community?
How
can
I
access
and
I
know
exactly
say
it's
a
small
change?
Okay,
because
they're
both
gonna
say
was
only
a
small
change.
But
again
please
ignore
me,
which
is
going
to
be
small
knots
in
there.
It
will
be
I.
K
Don't
have
a
clue
as
to
how
many
more
I
entered
a
cruise
exit
out
of
that
yes,
sir,
so
I'm
not
gonna
make
it
long,
but
I
would
like
to
see
when
this
type
of
changes
occur.
Mr.
Sherman
I
would
like
to
say
something
I'm
sure
that
material
already
has
an
idea.
What
they're
gonna
do
their
lives
where
they're
gonna
propose.
So
I
would
like
to
see
something
like
that
when
we
have
a
soy
change
that
is
being
impacted
without
any
axis
now.
K
N
No,
that's
that's.
A
very
good.
Very
good
comment
make
their
little
backtrack.
We
met
with
plant
applying
Department,
because
exactly
what
the
planning
director
just
spoke
of
on
the
second
item
of
the
agenda,
to
bring
in
an
amendment
of
the
ordinance
to
include
townhomes
garden
homes
that
type
of
development,
this
originally
was
planned
for
a
garden
home
Talmon
development.
However,
the
parameters
for
a
townhome
and
a
garden
home
development
aren't
in
the
ordinance
as
we
would
like
them
to
be
to
make
them
efficient.
N
So
what
we
had
to
do
is
we
had
if
there
was
a
reason
for
a
garden
home
development
we'd
be
rezoning
for
a
garden
home
development.
There
would
be
about
60
garden
Lots.
This
development
has
already
been
approved
with
eliminar
e
in
the
last
meeting,
June
January,
2nd,
where
it
was
already
approved.
Preliminary
we're
coming
with
the
the
reason
right
behind
it.
N
We
had
to
go
our
1b
because
of
what
I
just
spoke
up,
which
is
good
in
a
way,
because
we
meet
bigger
setbacks
both
in
the
front
in
the
back,
as
well
as
on
the
side.
So
we
meet
we're
going
based
off
of
the
entire
ordinance
of
an
r1
B
and
not
just
applying
for
an
SUV
which
the
Planning
Department
wants
to
kind
of
get
away
from
the
way
it
was
done
before
and
I
know.
It
looks
very
high
density
which,
which
an
r1
B
is,
but
it
matches
best
for
a
garden
home
development.
K
N
So
3,500
square
foot
Lots
now
recently
you
do
see
developments
around
town
that
are
smaller
than
that
for
townhomes.
We
tried
looking
at
a
different
Avenue
tried
dissecting
the
ordinance
try
to
come
up
with
some
idea
either
through
a
special
use,
permit
conditional
use
permit,
but
at
the
end,
in
the
interim,
while
this
amendment
gets
fixed
and
it
gets
gets
kind
of
revamped,
this
was
the
route
that
we
that
we
had
to
go.
So
that's
the.
I
N
N
A
B
Hi
my
introduction,
my
name
is
Alan
for
Santos.
My
only
acre
tract
that's
right.
South
of
this
is
lambda
tract
I'm,
pretty
much
of
the
opinion
of
mr.
Mays.
Here
don't
have
enough
information,
you
know
lots
are
getting
smaller
and
smaller
and
there's
no
specifics.
As
as
what
is
permitted
here.
So
I
would
like
to
vote
against
hunter.
We
have
more
information.
I
O
I
B
B
P
I
C
P
I
E
H
F
E
P
Parking
lot,
there's
not
me,
no
lungs,
it's
just
too
small,
it's
gonna
be
weak
sugar,
Ryan,
other
neighborhood,
sitter
Mike
loves
pizza.
Those
are
six
thousand
square
feet
and
those
are
cluttered
can't
I
hate
to
see.
3,500
r1a
is
4500.
That
snug
looks
presidentÃs.
If
you
ever
try
to
run
those
everybody's
part.
I
F
B
A
B
N
This
is
part
of
that
are
crossing
development,
which
you
can
go
out
and
see
phase
one
already
completed
the
idea
that
the
developer
had
was
to
introduce
a
product
that
helps
you
get
into
your
home.
So
when
you
have
a
townhome
development
like
this,
either
by
purchase
or
for
rent,
they
are
also
a
home
builder
as
well
they're
part
of
the
B
&
B
homes,
development,
so
TD,
B,
&
B.
Even
though
they're
not
the
same
entity
same
people
developing,
which
you
can
see
the
type
of
homes
that
B
&
B
builds.
N
They
bought
this
entire
track
as
pretty
sure
the
Commission
knows
them
you're
the
audience
didn't
know
so.
They're
fully
invested
in
this
entire
development
I
will
say
that
the
idea
is
for
certain
amount
of
people
that
maybe
can't
start
up
on
a
300,
250
300
thousand
dollar
home
that
can
come
into
the
same
place
and
kind
of
move
their
way
up
and
report
either
through
credit,
or
you
know,
through
whatever
means
possible,
so
they're
offering
this
type
of
development
to
kind
of
use
as
a
stepping
stone.
N
It
will
be
nice,
it
will
have
driveways
and
meet
parking
requirements.
I
can't
exactly
provide
a
model
of
it
yet
because
that
gets
determined
on
what
happens
here.
So
it's
kind
of
like
the
next
step.
However,
when
it
goes
to
a
building
permit,
all
that
can
be
can
be
discussed
as
well
at
that
point.
But
that's
that's
the
idea
same
developer
as
the
people
up
north
and
they
do
provide
a
good
product.
N
A
All
right,
we
have
a
motion
to
second
second
and
a
second
all
those
in
favor
aye.
Those
against
motion
carries.
Thank
you.
The
next
item
that
we
have
is
public
hearing
the
preliminary
consideration
to
replan
a
block.
Ten
in
east
one-half
of
lot
11
922,
Eastern,
Division
interlock,
ten,
a
block
922,
is
team
division.
The
purpose
of
the
replay
is
to
combine
a
lot
ten
and
these
one-half
of
lot
11.
A
E
Sir,
yes,
so
the
applicant
is
mr.
Sisco.
Yes,
engineering
is
Daniel,
Gomez
engineering,
it's
say.
Eighty
nine
hundred
square
foot
track
located
north
of
Cortez
and
West
End
Avenue.
The
current
zoning
is
r1.
The
proposed
use
is
residential
and,
as
we've
stated
purposes,
to
find
two
Lots
to
increase
the
both
the
buildable
area.
As
of
today.
One
letter
support
zero
against.
Here
is
a
location
map
showing
you,
the
general
area
in
the
city.
E
It's
located
again
to
stop
the
heights,
a
zoom
in
of
the
two
lots
that
you
can
see
that
they
want
to
join
together
a
street
view
showing
you,
those
current
state
of
the
Lots
and
zoom
in
of
the
plant
of
the
replac
join
you
on
the
left,
the
existing
plant
and
on
the
right.
The
replac
to
life
will
be
combined.
A
A
A
No
there's
a
reason
for
this:
oh
I'm,
sorry,
okay,
yeah,
we're
going
to
take
item.
This
is
11
a
final
consideration
of
the
reef
flat
of
lot
four
five
and
six
block
ten.
Eighty
seven
Eastern
Division
situated
city
of
Laredo-
and
this
is
a
23
point-
15
feet
of
unplanted
portion
of
lock
for
block
1087
into
lot.
Six,
a
block
ten,
eighty,
seven
Eastern
Division,
main
tennis,
commercial.
A
It's
a
final
plat,
so
do
I
hear
a
motion
motion
to
hold
motion.
The
second.
All
those
in
favor
aye
motion
carries
all
right.
The
next
item
that
we
have
is
the
item:
B
11,
b,
final
consideration
of
the
replanted,
a
lot
3a
block,
one
law,
reform,
subdivision
unit
1
into
Lots,
5a
and
6a
block
one
lottery
for
our
subdivision.
The
intent
is
a
fast-food
restaurant.
K
A
E
C
All
right
here,
I
liked
half
of
it
but
I
hate
it
they'll
have
the
part
I
hate
it
was
being
read
to
the
stuff
in
the
front.
End
I,
like
you
better
to
be
able
to
scroll
to
the
item
ahead
of
time
and
I
can
look
through
it
and
kind
of
consider
it.
You
know
if
I'm
zoning
on
some
noodle,
so
the
reading
of
it
I
think
that's
not
necessary.
C
H
E
You
that
probably
comes
prepared,
but
for
the
public
often
there
is
confusion
or
there's
a
lack
of
context,
and
so
often
they
come
up
and
give
comments
that
maybe
are
relevant
or
that
they
need
addressed,
because
we
didn't
it's
right.
It's
in
it's
in
the
staff
report
report.
Well,
we
didn't
read
it
out
so
they're
like
well,
who
owns
this
or
who
did
their
questions
that
we
can
briefly
answer
if
we
just
go
over
it,
that
can
serve
to
minimize
the
confusion
and
also
sometimes
minimize
the
time
we
take
when
there
are
comments
well,.
A
I
think
it
is
important
for
for
the
staff
to
make
the
presentation
of
each
one
of
the
different
items.
I
mean
you
are
all
the
ones
putting
them
together
and
for
us
it's
a
lot
easier
for
you
to
be
able
to
present
what
you
put
together.
We
can
read
them
like
cattle
said
very
easily,
but
I
think
for
the
general
public.
It
is
very
important.
The
way
was
conducted
today
is
a
way
they
planned.
The
Zoning
Commission
meeting
should
be,
but
because
that
way
the
public
is
totally
aware
of.
A
K
I
have
great
respect
for
all
of
them.
I
love
all
of
them,
but
some
of
the
items
look
at
the
public
to
make
comments.
Actually
they
call
us
say
well.
Why
is
this
quite
sexy?
We
hadn't
an
island
where
these
couple
actually
work
or
made
a
comment
that
against
it
and
was
that
being
affected
them
it
was
it
wasn't
that
effective,
it
was
just
they
just
came.
K
It
was
so
yeah
when
I,
when
I
asked
for
for
the
it
was
sworn
so
they
came
because
this
this
been
viewed
by
the
public,
so
the
public
I
couldn't
receive
what
it
is.
Remember
they
come
at
me.
They
bring
and
try
to
make
smaller
Lots,
because
it
would
make
more
and
more
and
more
houses.
They
try
to
increase
their
profits,
which
so
it
wasn't
that
I.
My
comments
will
never
pointed
to
us.
That
was
more
information.
That
was
my
comment.
Mr.
chair
I,.
A
Think
Kirby,
it
was
a
very
good
presentation.
I
think.
The
model
that
you
devised
to
make
these
presentations
is
good.
Yes,
I
mean
as
we
go
through
it.
You
know
I'm
sure.
Maybe
some
things
may
be
refined
as
to
continue
to
go
through,
but
I
think
it
was
very,
very
informational
for
everyone
that
was
here
person.
So
I
think
this
is
format
that
we
need
to
fund
I,
don't
know
how
the
rest
of
the
Commission
members
feel
angry.
Thank
you.
Coming.
E
C
A
O
Go
ahead:
do
you
think
you'd
be
necessary
in
a
lot
ends
when
we
vote
sometimes
the
audience
members
don't
understand
whether
it
passed
or
did
not
pass?
Do
you
think
that's
something
else.
You
could
possibly
add
in
your
direction
where
he'd
say,
zone
change
has
now
been
passed
or
has
not
been
passed,
so
at
least
they
know
what's
going
on
it
doesn't
so
that
I
can
notice,
there's
a
little
confusion.
They're,
not
too
sure
what
happened.
A
I
A
I
E
Is
a
good
practice
that
we're
sitting
down
tomorrow
to
review
how
this
went
today,
because
it'll
be
my
staff
that
that
is
implementing
this
making
the
presentation,
that's
something
we'll
bring
up
tomorrow
is
how
can
we
be
have
we
aware
of
the
applicants
or
the
people
who
are
here,
and
one
of
us
always
try
to
reach
out
and
explain
it
specially
in
Spanish?
For
those
who
don't
speak,
English
to
say
that's,
so
that's
very
good.
E
C
I
C
E
E
C
E
No
ever
be
in
hardness,
we
won
this.
Is
your
Planning
Commission
we're
here
to
serve
you?
We
want
to
do
with
your
job
when
we
get
to
the
point
where
we're
good
at
putting
these
presentations
together.
We're
gonna
do
them
early
enough
that
they
can
be
published
in
the
packet.
So
there's
in
addition
to
the
normal
staff
report,
you'll
see
our
presentation.
Is
there
as
well
very
good
motion
to
adjourn
motion
to
adjourn?
Second,
all
those
in
favor
yeah?
Thank
you.