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Planning and Zoning Committee Meeting 090519
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A
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C
Thank
you.
I
know
that
mr.
Dominguez
was
going
to
be
in
San
Antonio
for
some
business
and
Commissioner
jovi
eval
just
called,
and
he
had
one
of
his
employees
got
injured,
worked
to.
Please
excuse
him.
So
can
I
have
motion
to
excuse
him.
Some!
Oh
no
motion.
We
have
a
second
second
and
a
second
all
those
in
favor
aye.
Well,
she
carries
thank
you.
Can
everybody
please
stand
for
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance
I.
C
C
G
F
C
H
C
We
have
motion
we
have
second,
second,
and
second,
all
those
in
favor,
aye,
okay,
motion
carries.
Thank
you.
The
next
item
that
we
have
is
a
review
and
reconsideration
of
Lucas.
Yet
deceased
master
plan,
the
antennas,
residential
and
commercial
and
purpose
of
revision
is
to
realign
streets
that
the
action
is
proposed.
Boogle,
subject
to
the
following
comments
from
planning
of
traffic
water
utilities
and
a
notice
to
developer
Allen
engineering.
C
I
A
C
C
C
H
C
We
have
a
second
second
and
a
second
tell
those
in
favor
aye.
Thank
you.
She
carries
the
next
item.
Item
7c
preliminary
consideration
of
the
5m
reality
beat
the
Wylie
beat
Goliath
flat
the
antennas
Industrial.
The
proposed
action
is
approved,
subject
to
the
following
comments
from
Planning
from
engineering
from
water
and
utilities
and
a
notice
to
developer.
C
We
have
a
second
second
and
second,
all
those
in
favor
aye
motion
carries.
The
next
item
is
item
7b
their
consideration
of
the
plight
of
Pinnacle
industrial
center
subdivision
unit
and
the
attendants
light
industrial
proposed
action
is
approved,
subject
to
the
following
comments
and
planning
from
engineering,
water
utilities
and
a
notice.
The
developer.
I
C
D
C
In
a
second
all,
those
in
favor,
aye
aye
motion
carries
thank
you
all
right,
the
next
said,
and
then
we
have
and
it's
gonna
be
item
9
a
10,
a
I'm.
Sorry
all
right.
This
is
a
subject
regarding
the
revision
of
the
city,
Reuter
latin
development
code,
chapter
24,
article
four
and
five,
the
purpose
of
creating
a
specific
use
only
in
overlay
district
for
the
land
development
code
to
be
entitled,
review,
setback,
overlay,
zone,
RS,
ozone
and
may
and
other
matters
is
until
their
to
all
right.
J
J
J
A
J
Set
back
a
quick
overview
of
setbacks,
review
the
comprehensive
plan
and
what
it
what
it
recommends
talk
about
the
process
we're
going
through
now
with
Rico
Laredo,
where
we're
replacing
the
land
development
code,
we'll
talk
about
the
impact
of
changing
setbacks.
Why
why
we
need
to
be
careful
and
then
we'll
talk
about
option,
one
that
you've
heard
of
and
then
option
two
which
I'm
presenting
today
for
your
input
and
that
I'll
take
to
counsel
with
your
recommendation
to
include
as
part
of
the
code?
J
Okay.
First
of
all,
what
are
setbacks
as
a
review
sure
if
you're
very
familiar
but
setbacks,
are
it's
a
distance
typically
taken
from
the
property
line
or
structures
can
be
located,
so
you
can't
build
within
a
setback.
Let's
say
for
the
setback
is
ten
feet
from
the
property
line
you
measure
ten
feet
and
within
that
area
cannot
build.
Why
do
we
have
setbacks?
Well,
they've
they've
been
put
in
place
for
privacy.
They've
also
been
put
in
place
for
safety
and
commercial
areas.
It's
not
unusual
to
see
zero
setbacks
where
you've
built
a
lot
line.
J
K
J
J
It's
important,
because
state
law
and
best
practices
best
planning
practices
require
that
our
land-use
decisions
not
be
arbitrary
and
capricious
that
they
follow
a
plan
and
that
they
and
that
they
reflect
public
input
they
allow
the
public
to
have
their
anything.
What
does
the
comprehensive
plan
say?
J
The
comprehensive
plan
calls
for
reduced
setbacks,
so
increasing
the
buildable
area
on
the
lot,
but
only
in
targeted
areas,
comprehensive
plan
says
we
should
do
that
in
in
our
business
districts,
a
specific
business
issue
or
in
a
new
part
of
town
where
the
new
subdivision
is
built
to
maybe
a
new
standard,
where
all
things
are
thought
through,
not
just
changing
the
setbacks
on
some
are
old,
so
the
comp
plan
does
not
call
for
changes
to
the
whole
city
citywide.
Now
the
complement
also
does
in
spirit.
J
It
calls
for
denser
developments
and
more
efficient
use
of
the
land
that
we
have
so
I
think
the
comp
plan
as
I
read
it
and
as
I
understand
it
and
it
we
want
to
give
the
public.
We
want
to
keep
residents
more
creativity
and
how
they
why's
that
land
and
we
as
staff
we,
we
recommend,
reducing
the
setbacks,
but
we
want
to
do
that
methodically.
J
We
want
to
think
through
it
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
the
public
has
input,
that
they
are
noticed,
that
they
don't
wake
up
Tuesday
morning
after
council
and
and
wonder
what
just
happened
so
we're
going
through
a
process
called
recode
laredo
we're
ever
changing
we're
replacing
the
land
development
code,
and
this
is
one
of
the
areas
that
we're
looking
at
so
regardless
of
what
we
do.
What
this
recommendation
doesn't
work
out,
we're
going
to
review
this
over
the
next
18
months
and
possibly
change
it
again.
J
Staff,
what
it
means-
and
we
go.
Let
me
see,
then
you
know
you've
got
bad
code
and
sometimes
it's
confusing
even
for
us.
So
because
of
that
reason
the
recommendation
from
the
comprehensive
plan
was
that
we
replace
it
replace
our
land
development
code.
We
make
it
simpler,
we
make
it
fairer
and
we
update
it
for
the
21st
century,
and
so
we
we
did
an
RFQ
or
request
for
qualifications
for
consultants
who
are
qualified
to
help
us
and
we
located
one
a
team
of
national
experts
and
also
a
very
strong
local
consultant.
J
We
hired
them,
and
then
we
negotiated
the
contract
of
working
late,
because
this
is
a
very
big
thing,
so
it
took
some
time
to
figure
out.
Okay,
here's
your
scope:
what
are
we
gonna?
Do
who's
gonna?
Do
what
how
we're
gonna
do
it
all
we
felt
very
comfortable
with
it,
and
then
we
started
moving
forward
starting
next
week.
Some
of
y'all
may
gotten
invitations.
Well,
you
should
have
gotten
alerts
that
we're
starting
next
week.
E
J
And
how
can
we
fix
this
happen
to
make
it
better
so
that
part
of
this
process
of
recode
Laredo
has
begun
now?
Why
does
it
take
a
few
months?
Replacing
the
rules
for
development
is
no
simple
task
and
land
development
in
the
Rado,
as
in
many
places
in
the
United
States,
is
a
big
industry.
This
is
not
an
industry
that
you
change
things
quickly
on.
J
We
want
to
engage
the
people
who
build
in
the
city
and
we
want
to
engage
the
people
who
purchase
and
homes
and
businesses
who
have
a
understand
the
rules,
so
it
should
take
a
while
and
all
sometimes
people
are
frustrated
with
government.
They
think
I,
don't
like
it
takes
too
long.
The
only
one
things
have
changed
overnight,
you
don't
you
want
to
have
a
process
where
you
think
through
it,
and
you
get
public
input
very
quickly
because
we
already
went
over
those
are
over
these
things.
Why
is
it
important?
J
The
recommendation
that
came
from
the
trv,
the
technical,
was
to
change
their
setbacks,
and
many
of
these
things
were
not
addressed
most
of
them.
All
of
these
things
were
not
to
analyze.
Some
of
may
be
talked
about,
but
no
data
was
presented
on
how
these
things
would
be
impacted
and
they
they
need
to
be.
They
need
to
be
looked
at
if
we're
gonna
make
this
change.
K
J
J
What
about
visibility
when
somebody's
turning
a
corner
and
somebody's
built
further
than
a
lot
mine
are
we
are
we
do
we
need
to
take
a
look
at
visibility,
requirements
on
our
roads?
What
about
height
limitations?
Okay,
someone
can
build
five
feet
to
their
backyard,
but
we
didn't
what
was
what
was
coming
for
a
citywide
change,
didn't
say
anything
about
high
research,
and
so
are
we
okay
with
so
many
building
35
feet
within
5
feet
of
your
backyard
within
5
feet
of
the
property
line?
Is
that
ok,
maybe
it
is?
J
J
Right
away,
wits
and
requirements
easement
locations,
although
easements,
would
still
have
to
be
respected,
sometimes
they're,
not
always
it's
not
always
known
where
they
are
yeah,
especially
our
older
neighborhoods.
So
somebody
has
to
go.
Look
that
information
up,
but
if
you
just
tell
citizens,
oh
no,
you
can
go
within
five
feet
or
they
start
building
without
working
these
myths.
J
So
we
need
to
be
very
careful
and
especially
our
older
neighborhoods
and
then
building
the
fire
code
requirements
when
you
build
within
fire
within
10
feet
of
another
building,
the
IBC,
their
National
Building
Code
requires
higher
standards
of
building
materials
and
some
cases
fire
suppression.
So
if
somebody
has
already
built
the
lot
line
and
now
we're
allowing
you
to
build
within
five
feet
of
online
now
you're
within
10
feet,
but
the
problem
is
our
review
process
does
not
allow
a
fire
marshal
to
review
residential
single-family
residential
plants.
J
We
don't
do
that
because
we
haven't
had
to
do.
We
need
to
change
that
process.
Do
we
need
to
have
the
fire
marshal
review
everything
all
residential
that
within
a
certain
that,
where
they're
taking
advantage
the
setbacks,
something
we
need
to
consider
that
we
haven't
yet
so
what
counsel
asks
us
to
do
was
to
ask
you
to
bring
a
recommendation
on
this
first
option
across
the
board.
Changing
the
setback
citywide
now
one
little
point
of
information.
If
you
make
a
citywide
change,
there
is
no
requirement
that
you
have
to
mail
notices.
J
Okay,
I'm
impressed
I,
don't
even
read
the
newspaper,
so
very
well
done
I
get
over
one,
but
most
people
I
would
say
don't,
and
so
they,
the
vast
majority
of
people
residents,
have
no
idea.
This
is
coming
and
all
the
residents
I've
spoken
to
have
no
idea
that
this
is
coming.
They
haven't
heard
anything
about
it
and
that's
because
our
noticing
requirements
when
we're
noticing,
but
when
something's
happening
citywide
we're
not
required
to
send
mail
notices.
J
Now,
if
we
change
the
zoning
on-
let's
say
ten
acres
on
the
south
side
of
Laredo,
we
actually
do
have
to
notice
all
the
addresses
within
200
feet
by
ordinance.
So
those
people
get
notices
and
oftentimes.
You
see
them
come
to
the
audience
and
they
tell
you
what
they're
thinking,
but
you
maybe
haven't
heard
any
public
into
it,
because
no
one's
noticed
that's
one
of
the
challenges
so
I
presented
this
slide
in
the
next
slide
to
council
and
said
that
I
would
bring
you
option
2
and
a
3
recommendation
and
option.
J
1
I
explained
the
unanimous
negative
recommendation
wall
policy,
it
was
jnanis
negative
and
the
one
was
to
table
it
indefinitely.
I
explained:
yes,
look.
If
you
want
to
make
changes
quick,
you
could
do
it
this
way.
That's
one
of
the
benefits,
you're
changing
the
whole
city
at
once,
and
it's
fast,
but
you
didn't,
you
didn't,
have
any
public
involvement,
you
didn't
know.
Thorough
analysis
was
completed
of
these
changes
and
we
put
the
city
at
great
risk
of
being
arbitrary
and
capricious,
and
that
means
possible
litigation.
There
are
very
strict
requirements
when
we
make
these
changes.
H
J
Commission
did
not
vote
against
it
that
you
said
a
negative
recommendation
for
Council
to
vote
against
it
right.
I
did
not
bring
it
to
Council
to
vote
on
yet
I
brought
it
to
them
for
a
discussion
and
I.
Let
them
know
that
I
would
be
bringing
their
foot
to
them
to
vote
on
after
I
properly
noticed
it
in.
J
J
No
it'll
be
in
the
presentation
so
option:
two
is
a
reduced
setback
overlay
zone?
What
is
an
overlay
zone?
An
overlay
zone
lays
on
top
of
the
zoning,
and
it
applies
to
all
the
zoning.
That's
underneath
now.
One
reason
it's
good
to
use
overlay
zones
is
sometimes
you
want
to
make
a
change
to
all
the
zones,
but
you
don't
want
to
change
all
of
his
own,
so
you
don't
want
to
change
every
single
zone
to
be
five
feet.
J
Cippec's,
instead,
applying
an
overlay
zone
to
a
certain
area
would
say
within
this
area,
we're
comfortable
after
having
reviewed
this
area
and
noticing
the
community
we're
comfortable
with
decreasing
setbacks
here.
But
instead
of
having
to
create,
let's
say
underneath
this
overlay,
there
were
three
different
zones
and
r1
and
r1
a
and
it's
another.
Our
party
and
our.
J
All
we
do
is
create
one
addition:
overlay
zone
called
an
RSO
zone,
and
then
we
put
that
wherever
we
deem
appropriate
and
where
the
public
has
been
noticed
and
where
they
agree,
so
the
benefit
of
creating
an
overlay
zone
in
our
code
is
that
this
will
this
doing
this
will
allow
for
public
involvement,
because
all
this
does
is
give
us
now
the
option.
Then,
if
we
were
to
apply
an
overlay
zone
to
some
particular
part
of
the
city,
it
would
have
to
come
back
through
Planning
Commission.
J
J
Could
be
both
an
overlay
zone
doesn't
replace
the
underlying
underlying
zone?
All
it
does
is
put
in
an
additional
option,
an
additional
layer
above
the
zoning,
so
that
wherever
we
apply
this
over,
like
whether
it
be
new
plan
is
coming
in
or
existing
part
of
the
city,
but
in
either
case,
if
we
apply
it.
So
this
is
two
stages.
J
Let's
say
we
do
a
neighborhood
in
South
Laredo,
and
then
we
can
mail,
a
notice
to
everybody
in
that
in
200
feet
around
it,
and
then
it
would
come
to
the
Planning
Commission
and
you
would
get
to
examine
it
and
send
your
recognition
to
council
people
would
come
here
and
give
you
their
input
and
then
it
would
go
to
City
Council
and
they
vote
on
whether
or
not
to
apply
in
the
RSO.
The
reduce
setback
overlay
zone
to
this
area
in
South
Korea,
look.
B
I
mean
I,
guess
the
I'm
asking
this
is
because
we
I
think
we've
all
been
pretty
clear
about.
We
have
no
problems
with
new
developments
that
are
done
by
an
engineer
and,
and
they
come
with
ideas
that
we
want
to
reduce
our
set
boxes.
I,
don't
think
anybody
here
is
inherently
said:
we're
against
zero
set
box,
we're
against
people,
because
we
deal
with
this,
especially,
for
example,
the
next
meeting
we
have.
B
Every
meeting
we
have
is
a
bunch
of
people
who
buy
the
threes
on
the
cheap,
trying
to
up
zone
them
to
befores,
and
we
deal
with
this
on
a
regular
basis,
and
so
why
are
we
giving
people
who
had
every
idea
and
knowledge
of
what
they
were
buying?
They
paid
what
they
paid
for?
If
they
didn't
like
it,
if
they
wanted
to
go,
buy
something
that
had
a
zero
setback,
they
can
buy
plenty
of
property
available
at
Downtown.
They
can
go,
buy
some
acreage
outside
of
the
city
limits
and
buy
it
to
their
heart's
content.
B
But
the
problem
I
have
is
we
do
these
things
and
then
people
don't
show
up
or
neighbors
this
rule
that
200
feet
and
don't
know
how
it
is
because
200
feet
with
with
you,
under
your
your
directorship
as
compared
to
the
prior
one.
It
can
be
the
front
door
or
it
can
be
all
areas
around,
and
we
have
neighbors
coming
around
complaining
that
this
property
was
changed.
We
didn't
even
know
about
it.
Well,
we
have
other
people
saying
well,
this
property
is
owned,
got
changed
from
an
r1
to
an
r2,
and
it's
not
fair.
B
B
They
hear
malls
a
group
and
they
approve
what
we've
done,
but
they
don't
sit
through
the
50
60
people
that
come
in
from
hinds
Road,
because
there
is
that
the
property
next
door
to
a
school
was
changed
to
an
m1
way
back
in
1995
and
nobody
knew
about
it
because
nobody
was
within
200
feet,
and
so
all
we're
doing
is
opening
the
door
for
that
sort
of
stuff
to
come
up
again.
I
appreciate
your
concern
and
so.
E
B
Let's
start
it
there
or
do
it
in
the
areas
that
already
have
it
where
there
is
no
zoning.
There's
parts
downtown
West,
Laredo
near
South,
Central
Lorado
that
have
no
setbacks
already
play
with
those
owning
there,
but
going
into
existing
neighborhoods
that
were
platted
that
came
through
the
whole
planning
process
and
allowing
them
to
change
it.
That's
kind
of
nonsensical
and
it
flies
in
the
face
of
you
knew
what
you
were
getting
into
when
you
bought
that
lock
and
if.
J
B
J
G
D
J
J
Thank
you
because
one
of
the
key
requirements
that
I'm
going
to
submit
with
this
zone
is
that
a
majority
of
residents
demonstrated
by
signatures
with
addresses
show
that
they're
that
they're
in
favor
of
this,
that
is
a
very
stiff
apartment.
So
it
would
not
be
we
just
notice
it
and
we
don't
fight
people
comments.
Some
say
they
like
it.
Some
say
they
don't.
If
the
neighborhood
wants
to
apply
for
an
RSA
zone,
then
they
have
to
demonstrate
the
majority
of
property
owners
in
that
neighborhood
are
on
board.
J
With
this
change
now,
just
applying
the
new
development.
You
said:
why
can't
we
just
let
it
apply
to
new
development.
We
already
have
a
zoning
in
place
for
new
development
to
have
was
five
foot
setbacks.
That's
called
our
PUD
zone.
We
have
some
subdivisions
in
the
city
that
have
been
built
that
way.
So
this
is
not
intended
for
new
development.
We
have
a
tool
already
in
place
for
new
development
to
build
in
smaller
setbacks.
I,
don't
know
if
you
were
aware
of
that's
the
PUD
zone.
J
Some
developers
may
not
like
that,
because
our
requirements
are
a
little
stiffer,
but
this
is
not
intended.
It
will
not
be
used
from
your
develop.
This
is
for
existing
development,
where
perhaps
you
have
a
neighborhood,
where
reducing
the
setbacks
would
not
cause
a
significant
problem
and
where
a
majority
of
the
property
owners
would
appreciate
that
shouldn't
there
be
some
allowance
for
them
to
change
it.
I
think
that's
fair
and
that,
and
that
would
be
this
reduce
setback
to
overlay
zone.
So,
to
finish
it
up,
the
allowance.
J
The
allowance-
you
can't
read
this,
but
let
me
see
if
I
can
zoom
in
the
allowance
would
be
the
same.
But
basically
it's
pretty
simple.
It's
five
foot
setbacks
on
the
on
the
side,
setback,
seeing
the
rear
setback
on
the
front.
It's
ten,
except
for
a
cock-horse
right
thinking
drove
driveway
has
to
go
further
than
ten
because
you
stopped
at
20
feet
for
driveway,
but
it
would
it's
basically
the
same
that
you've
seen
before
with
the
citywide
change,
except
it's
only
applied
for
this
overlay
zone.
J
Additionally,
there
are
requirements
that
it
has
to
go
through
the
normal
process
and
that's
normal
your
rezoning
to
go
to
normal
zoning
process
and
then,
in
addition,
50%
of
more
than
50%
greater
than
3%
of
the
property
owners,
will
have
to
have
a
lot
to
demonstrate
by
signature
and
address
that
they're
in
favor
of
this.
So
those
might
be
to
show
that
that
that
they
support
this
and
they
would
bring
that
in
to
the
Planning
Commission
to
review,
to
examine
and
also
the
Planning
Commission
would
look
at
the
neighborhood
and
there
would
be
some
guidance.
J
E
J
Other
words
neighborhoods
would
come
and
there'd
be.
Restrictions
on
you
couldn't
do
this
for
one
home,
this
would
be
a
neighborhood
at
a
time
that
could
be
applied.
The
zoning,
perhaps
a
minimum
of
30
feet,
I'm
still
working
that
with
our
city
attorney
sorry
30
homes,
so
there
would
be
a
restriction
on
the
minimum,
so
one
person
couldn't
come
it.
We
wouldn't
be
inundated
with
hundred
of
these
requests.
J
No,
it
would
have
to
be
a
whole
neighborhood
at
a
time
coming
in
asking
for
this
and
demonstrating
that
this
is
the
majority
of
the
neighborhood
that
wants
this,
and
that
doesn't
mean
they
get
it.
They
come
before.
The
Commission
tuition
makes
a
determination
or
recommendation.
Then
it
goes
to
Council
to
do
the
same,
make
a
determination
recommendation.
C
C
B
J
J
J
C
A
city
of
water
and
students
are
mark,
I,
see
more
water
retention,
because
every
subdivision
is
based
on
calculations
of
stormwater
runoff.
The
minute
we
live.
We
have
less
impervious
cover.
Obviously,
you've
got
more
stormwater
runoff
right
creates
bloody
tissues
like
we've
had
in
church
parts
of
the
city
today,
and
so
you
know,
I
mean
those
are
just
questions
that
come
to
my
mind
before
I
would
feel
comfortable
doing
this
a
neighborhood.
G
But
I
think
this
is
coming
from,
because
that
the
council
is
they're
they're
gonna
make
a
decision
of
this
like
they
wanna
make
a
decision
now
right.
They
want
us
to
approve
the
a
blanket
cover
of
setback,
ordinance
which
is
not
which
is
which
we're
against,
and
this
doesn't
make
sense
to
do
that
right.
So
the
option
that
you're
presenting
we're
still
risking
that
their
vote
on
the
option,
one
right
who
send
it
off
whether.
J
Or
not,
I
proposed
an
option
to
make,
they
will
brightly
get
option
one
and
what
I
was
hoping
to
do
was
to
explain
to
them
that
option.
1
puts
the
city
at
great
risk
and
we
haven't
done
the
analysis.
So
let
me
give
you
an
option
to
that
is
much
smaller
in
scale
and
it
allows
us
and
property
right
so.
G
G
B
30
there
we
have
a
PUD
they.
The
thing
is:
that's
why
I
asked
them?
Is
it
only
four?
That's
why
I
see
appeals
for
new
development
or
not
it.
You
said
it
was
for
both,
but
the
reality
is
there's
already
one.
This
is
only
for
existing
houses
exactly
so
the
correct
answer
would
have
been
telling
me
from
the
beginning.
It
was
only
for
existing
houses,
not
for
new
developments.
That's
what
they're
going
at,
but
the
thing
is
we're
bringing
forth
an
option
with
no
finite
parameters
for
what
option.
G
G
B
J
B
E
C
Making
this
presentation
as
to
what
option
2
is:
we
still
have
the
authority
here
to
say:
okay,
let's
define
this
a
little
bit
further
and
we
can
make
suggestion
said
he
would
take
forth
its.
You
know
if
we
decide
to
say
hey
option,
two
is
something
we
want
to
do,
but
the
parameters
are
this,
you
know
define
the
area
in
terms
of
how
many
units
you
wouldn't
come,
I.
C
B
Know
and
that's
fine
and
dandy,
but
the
problem
is
we
have
an
agenda
where
it
mentions
very
briefly
what
an
RSO
is
yeah.
We
had
page
one,
that's
right
that
says
one
page
of
what
it
is.
It
would
have
been
nice,
even
though
we
get
it
on
Tuesday
would
have
been
nice
to
get
this
little
slideshow
and
some
background
materials
ahead
of
time.
B
J
J
Though,
sitting
items
I'm
not
rushing
it,
this
is
not
the
normal
way.
We
will
give
you
plenty
of
time
in
advance,
but
we're
working
on
this
with
the
city
attorney
to
do
some
of
the
details,
but
I
wanted
to
get
your
input,
but
it's
time-sensitive
to
get
the
council
another
option.
That
makes
more
sense
so
they
can
weigh
both
so.
B
I
apologize
that
you
didn't
have
enough
time
Welman,
but
mr.
snipe
in
the
point
I'm
trying
to
make
is
we
all
have
telephones.
We
all
have
the
ability
for
you
to
contact
us
individually
and
talk
to
us
into
the
Julian
to
say
look.
This
is
what
I'd
like
to
do,
and
this
is
yes.
I
have
but
and
I
know
everybody
here
enough
that
everybody
looks
up
and
does
their
own
research
on
who
they
speak
to
Oracle
gets
different
input,
not
just
so
getting
it
today
and
figuring
it
out.
H
Wait,
let
me
recognize
admission
recommend,
but
mr.
Starkman,
that's
honestly,
I
can't
I
don't
want
to
vote
on
anything
that
I
find
out
about
the
day
at
the
meeting.
It's
disrespectful
and
I
say
you
did
it
on
purpose.
It's
really
just
unacceptable,
especially
something
that's
this
significant
to
the
entire
Commission.
We
need
materials
in
advance.
We
do
at
the
minimum
this
morning
at
8
a.m.
they
could
have
been
delivered.
Maybe
they
can't
I,
don't
know
it
shouldn't
be
on
the
agenda.
E
H
Similarly,
the
reason
I
asked
you:
how
long
ago
did
you
realize
that
you're
going
to
bring
an
art?
This
are
so
think
to
us
free
to
discuss
if
it
was
last
week
when
we
could
have
content
that
the
Chairman
and
had
a
workshop
on
it?
This
is
how
important
it
is
for
us
to
be
able
to
make
votes
that
are
intelligent
and
well
thought-out,
I,
understand
you're
under
pressure,
so
I
don't
want
to
be
under
pressure
to
make
a
vote
on
something
that
we
don't
fully
understand.
It's
exactly
what
the
Commissioner
to
SSL.
C
C
In
October
late,
alright,
so,
given
that
and
that's
where
I
was
coming
from,
we
have
a
little
bit
of
time
here
to
define
some
things
before
you
have
to,
but
for
this
commission
s
make
a
recommendation
that
goes
forth
on
the
first
meeting
of
October,
given
that
we
have
that
time.
My
recommendation
to
you
listening
to
all
these
commissioners
is
that
we
need
to
have
a
workshop
ASAP.
C
You
finish
up
parameters
because
details
of
this
and
we'll
be
willing
to
meet
with
you,
because
I
believe
what
everybody's
saying
here
is
I,
don't
have
enough
information,
yet
we're
kind
of
likely
rush
into
this
thing.
You
yourself
haven't
finished
I,
think
in
your
mind
and
your
thought
process
processing
all
the
ramifications
defining
the
sizes
defining
a
couple
of
things
on.
C
E
L
L
Recognize
you
right
now:
okay,
first
of
all,
I
guess
really
Kirby.
My
question
to
you
is:
how
is
this
tied
to
the
comp
plan
like?
In
other
words,
what
is
the
housing
role
that
this
is
going
to
achieve?
Okay,
that's
what
I!
That's
what
I
want
to
know
whether
it's
plan,
one
or
plan
to
or
plan
three
year
plan,
for
we
spend
all
this
money
on
a
comp
plan?
It's
an
and
I!
L
Don't
know
what
the
vision
is
of
how
this
is
going
to
move
that
forward,
and
that's
why
I
didn't
want
to
vote
on
this
last
time,
because
it's
very
clear
that
the
direction
that
your
department
is
getting
is
is
trying
to
rush
something
that
isn't
well
thought-out
and
now
I
appreciate
your
attempt
to
give
us
an
alternative
that
is
going
to
slow
down
the
process
of
of
all
of
this
and
I
understand.
You're
doing
that.
I
also
understand
the
other
commissioners.
L
What
is
the
vision
in
the
comp
plan
regarding
housing
that
this
directly
speaks
to
and
second
of
all,
this
is
why
I
had
wanted
us
to
have
a
city
ordinance
on
neighborhood
associations
which
this
this
board,
this
commission
approved
probably
about
a
year
ago
and
is
died
at
City
Council
and
never
come
back
to
my
knowledge,
because
how
our
communities
to
be
able
to
make
decisions
about
what's
and
affect
them.
If
they
have
no
organized
structure
where
they
can
meet,
they
can
talk
they
can
they
cover
those
issues.
Do
you
know
so
like?
K
L
When
we
come
to
our
planning
and
zoning
meeting,
so
the
comp
plan
needs
to
be
on
this
screen
so
that
when
you're
saying
this
applies
with
the
comp
plan,
we
can
go
to
the
section
or
we
can
review
it,
and
we
can
talk
about
it
meaningfully.
While
we
are
here
so
my
question
to
you
is
whether
it's
primal
owner
plan.
What
is
the
purpose
of
this?
L
How
is
this
going
to
help
move
the
vision
of
the
comp
plan,
one
in
two
houses
going
to
benefit
our
citizens,
both
I'm,
not
talking
about
an
individual
citizen,
I'm
talking
about
a
neighborhood
I'm
talking
about
property
values,
I'm
talking
about
the
resell
ability
of
homes,
I'm
talking
about
the
attractiveness
of
a
neighborhood
to
live
in
it?
How
does
this
help
any
of
that
plant?
One
replenishment.
E
C
C
Which
is
not
in
this
plan
transportation,
which
we
have
somewhat
there's
about
five
different
components
of
a
comprehensive
plan:
they're
not
really
on
this
plan.
This
plan
is
mostly
a
general
idea,
but
it
doesn't
have
a
specific
plan
which
are
all
plans
that
have
to
be
created
on
this
plan.
So
to
answer
commissioner
FLOTUS
question:
there
is
no
housing
plan
in
the
complaint.
Well,.
J
C
D
J
Does
have
goals
on
all
the
things
that
you
talked
about,
which
we're
gonna
go
look
at
right
now
in
general.
Those
are
here.
I
brought
those
to
you
what
you
just
said:
I'm,
referring
to
the
comp
plan
that
it
does
call
for
denser
development.
It
does
call
for
more
sustainable
development
and
it
looks
at
using
our
land
more
effectively
and.
G
B
L
B
I
would
ask
we
deal
with
this
later
because
we're
spinning
our
wheels
here
I
agree,
because
the
only
part
I
disagree
with
is
going
back
on
what
Commissioner
Bethlehem
ER
said
is
whenever
we
have
an
issue
whatever
issue,
it
is
if
it
is
important
enough
to
one
side
or
the
other,
they
all
have
our
phone
numbers.
They
all
have
our
email
addresses,
because
when,
for
example,
they're
not
what
the
issue
had
came
forward,
I
got
a
phone
call
from
one
side
and
I
got
a
phone
call
from
the
residence.
B
So
did
everybody
else
on
this
Commission.
There
is
nothing
wrong
with
staff
calling
us
individually
and
saying.
Look
mr.
Newell
I'd
love
to
sit
down
and
talk
to
you
for
half
an
hour
about
option
two
before
we
go
to
the
meeting.
There's
nothing
illegal,
unethical
wrong
with
them.
There's
nothing
wrong
with
a
developer.
Calling
hey
I
saw
how
you
voted
the
last
time
on
this
type
of
issue.
Mr.
Google
or
mr.
feyo's
I'd
like
to
sit
down
and
talk
to
you
about
why
these
comments
aren't
necessarily
appropriate
with
our
master
plan.
C
One
listen:
are
you
I
think
we're
going
around
and
running
circles?
I
think
we
need
to
do
here.
Is
we
really
the
direction
we
need
to
get
Kirby
here?
If
the
meetings
going
to
be
the
first
native
October,
we
have
time
to
address
a
workshop
with
a
little
bit
more
clarity
in
terms
of
parameters.
Well,.
C
C
J
C
C
L
I
make
a
comment
that
will
write
it
here:
everything's
important
to
this
discussion:
okay,
Kirby,
here's,
but
if
I
was
the
the
about
the
city
councilman,
if
I
was
the
Planning
Department
and
I
was
addressing
and
I
was
I
was
tackling
this
issue.
Okay,
here's
what
I
would
say
this
is
what
this
would
be.
The
approach
I
would
take.
I
would
say:
look
you
know
what
we
took
a
look
at
this
neighborhood.
Okay,
it's
got
some
of
the
characteristics
of
something
that
would
benefit
from
setbacks
being
shorter,
okay.
L
L
Okay
or
it's
a
trend
in
other
cities
that
has
been
successful
in
doing
some
economic
development
thing
or
some,
how
spring
new
economic
or
housing
development
in
a
particular
area,
whatever
whatever
the
particular
goal
is,
and
this
is
what
we
want
to
do,
the
overlay-
and
this
is
why
and
we're
gonna
measure
its
success
in
this
way
year,
one
year
two
year,
three
and
then
we'll
come
back
and
we'll
know
whether
it
was
a
success
or
not,
and
then
we
can
duplicate
in
another
part
of
the
city.
That's
the
kind
of
vision,
leadership
idea.
L
That
is
the
kind
of
thing
that
would
justify
what
we're
past
being
asked
to
recommend
Youssou
enemy,
as
opposed
to
I,
planned
one,
which
is
a
terrible
idea,
and
we
and
implanted,
which
seems
like
an
undeveloped
idea
to
be
quite
honest
and
so
I
don't
know
if
you
all
agree
with
that
type
of
vision,
but
I
think
that's
the
kind
of
thing
we're
looking
at
least
that's
the
thing
I'm
looking
for
look,
here's
the
plan
man.
This
is
why
we
need
it.
This
is
why
it's
gonna
work.
L
G
A
J
Let's
talk
about
timing,
it
just
a
second,
but
just
so.
You
understand
the
process
that
I'm
trying
to
accomplish
here.
This
I
know
the
frustration
because
you've
been
working
on
this
for
a
while
council
is
frustrated
as
well
or
some
council
members
are
frustrated
for
the
same
reason.
Why
I
came
in
the
middle
of
this
and
I
see
a
city
where
he
said
at
first
I
thought
others
there's.
You
know
this
is
not
going
to
be
considered
and
then,
after
learning,
some
things
I
thought.
J
Okay,
maybe
it
will
so
we
need
a
second
option
where
the
scale
is
much
smaller.
Now
you
say
it's
undeveloped.
It
is
basically
the
same
option.
You've
seen
it
before.
You
said
you've
seen
it
four
times
before
it
is
the
same
thing,
we're
reducing
setbacks.
The
same
way,
the
only
difference
is
instead
of
being
playing
citywide
we're
only
applying
it
in
an
overlay
zone
to
a
smaller
area
and
it
doesn't
need.
We
don't
need
to
spend
ten
hours
on
this.
J
There
are
a
few
parameters
that
we
can
look
at
and
before
writing
that
down
and
bringing
it
to
you
I
thought
we
get
your
input
and
we'll
send
a
recommendation
because,
basically
it's
the
same
thing,
it's
the
same
setbacks
that
you've
seen
four
times
before,
except
only
applied
to
a
smaller
area.
The
only
thing
left
to
decide
is:
what's
the
area
that
we
could
apply
it
to,
and
would
there
be
any
restriction
requiring
a
signature
of
property
ours?
That's.
G
J
J
J
J
J
What
I'm,
hoping
you
gather
from
this?
What
what
what
I'm
hoping
you
don't
go
away
with
is
I
want
you
to
be
able
to
trust
staff
here.
Okay,
no
one
is
pressuring
me
to
do
anything
I'm
trying
to
bring
the
best
options
to
the
City
Council,
so
they
can
make
a
good
decision
and
I
want
you
to
be
able
to
trust
me
and.
J
J
C
Was
just
a
second
I
think
it
would
be
a
lot
easier
if
we
could
all
sort
of
y'all
think
we
can
come
up
with
a
date
right
now.
It's
Thursday
good,
for
you
guys
yeah
is
eight.
Is
it
too
late
or
do
you
I
mean
and
I'm
talking
here?
Is
a
luncheon
meeting
better
than
me
be
meeting
or
I'll
need
to
do
some
cross
checking.
L
G
C
C
H
J
C
7
o'clock,
all
right,
that's
my
tentative!
It's
a
tentative
date
based
on
the
polling
of
the
Commission
and
in
the
majority
the
Commission
can
attend
and
that's
fine,
it
not
will
seek
an
alternative
bake
worm.
The
majority
I
would
really
like
to
see
and
with
100%
participation
if
possible.
I
agree
with
all
your
comments
that
this
is
a
very
critical
item.
We're
asked
to
you
know,
do
something
with
and
I
think
it
would
be.
Who
was
to
have
all
commissioners
present.