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From YouTube: Planning and Zoning Workshop 061218
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Workshop for the Planning and Zoning Committee
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Complicated
but
possible
would
be
some
kind
of
a
permitting
system
where,
if,
for
example,
I
owned,
a
tractor
and
I
want
to
park
it
and
in
an
r1
or
residential
area,
then
I
would
have
to
have
a
permit
to
do
something
like
that,
and
then
that
property
would
need
to
be
inspected
to
make
sure
that
it's
a
vadik
would
size
and
to
allow
the
vehicle
to
be
park.
Without
you
know,
being
at
all
on
the
right
away.
F
That's
one
of
the
you
know
the
thing
that
comes
to
mind.
The
issue
really
is
how
do
you
enforce
it
and
how
do
you
enforce
what
we
currently
have
as
a
prohibition?
I
mean
I've
driven
several
neighborhoods
and
there's
there's
18
wheelers
park.
You
know,
tractors
are
parked
in
than
a
roads,
so
the
enforcement
issue
is
sort
of
the
side
issue
or
a
different
issue,
but.
F
In
either
event,
whether
you
allow
them
partially
or
under
permit
or
not
the
whole
bottom
line
is,
are
we
able
to
enforce
and
make
sure
that
they're
behaving
themselves?
If
you
will,
the
other
issue
is
that
from
I
guess
from
the
public
works
perspective,
although
islands
for
Fela
here
possibly
from
utilities,
is
with
these
things
now
going
into
the
lots,
they're
crossing
over
water
lines
and
sewer
lines
and
I,
don't
know
you
know
what
the
stress
test
is
for
that
you
know.
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F
The
older
residential
haven't
seen
attention,
and
so
you
know
if
we're
gonna
have
and
I
don't
know
how
many
of
these
tractors
would
be
brought
in,
and
you
know
I
mean
it's
I
know
that
in
the
neighborhood
I
looked
at,
there
were
at
least
three
or
four
and
so
I,
don't
know
how
much
more
traffic
and
how
much
more
weight
that's
going
to
add
to
those
streets
and
what
kind
of
damage
they
may
or
may
not
cause
and
I
I.
Don't
have
the
technical
expertise
to
opine
as
to
that,
but
it
does
raise
that
question.
F
So,
if
they're
allowed
back
in
I,
guess
you
can
limit
them
by
the
number
of
permits
you
issue.
That
may
be
one
thing
to
do
and
like
I
say
that's
going
to
do
impinge
upon
utilities
and
those
guys
are
gonna
want
to
know.
Are
these
things
you
know
being
parked
up
on
the
water
meters
and
cracking
those
lines
you
can
have
that
issue,
but
we've
been
asked
to
to
to
explore
it
and
to
to
try
to
come
up
with
a
solution
and
I
mean
the
solution.
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F
A
Front
setbacks
for
any
property
right
now,
unless
they're
staggered
sit
back,
there's
20
feet
exactly
so
that
puts
you
right
at
the
edge
of
the
right
away,
all
right.
What's
the
turning
radius,
most
of
these
Lots
are
probably
40
like
6
feet
wide,
and
maybe
I
ought
to
call
traffic
to
answer
this
one.
What
I
can.
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E
Are
extending
driveway,
the
mirrors
are
covered
up
and
these
new,
automated
meters,
if
is
covered
up,
we
can
get
the
reading.
So
that's
the
issue
and
the
other
issue
with
mr.
Bratton
just
bring
out
this
tractor
train.
You
know
most
of
these
driveways
are
probably
3000
psi
concrete.
Yes,
if
you
don't
have
at
least
4000
or
4500
psi,
it's
kind
of
break
is
gonna
break
the
sidewalk,
and
so
who
will
be
responsible
to
maintain
those,
and
those
are
some
of
some
of
the
issue.
I
guess
you
guys
have
to
look
at
it
and
counsel.
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C
Like
it's
like
10,000
people
showed
up
and
said
guys.
We
have
a
major
critical
problem
and
we
need
to
change
the
ordinance.
You
know
I
mean
we
have
like
one
person
yeah,
you
know
and
then
just
think
of
all
the
logistical
issues
and
then
all
the
financial
issues
and
then
all
the
bureaucracy
of
having
to
figure
out
who
gets
the
permit
and
then
whether
they're
complying
and
are
they
permitted
not
permitted
at
least
now.
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A
F
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G
I,
actually,
don't
don't
have
a
number
for
them,
but
I
do
know
is
that
our
Arizona
inspectors
do
provide
citations
as
needed,
but
that
it's,
if
we've,
if
it's
like
a
specific
kind
number
that
itself
that
it
catches
our
attention,
I
wouldn't
be
able
to
say
that's
the
fact
itself.
So
I
could
pretty
much
state
that
for
sure
yeah,
okay,
okay,
thank
you.
H
I
spoke
to
the
chief
earlier
today.
He
says
that
his
main
concern
is
they
just
didn't
want
the
traders
on
the
street
we
looked
up.
The
average
width
we
were
getting
on.
Traders
was
8
and
a
half
feet,
so
we're
looking
at
17
feet
if
you
were
to
have
one
on
each
side
now
streets
are
easy
under
32,
I,
guess
around
30
to
31
normal
cars
and
they
take
up
about
6
feet.
So,
even
if
you
have
a
car
parked
on
both
sides,
a
truck
or
a
fire
engine
will
still
be
illegal
too.
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C
So
the
ordinance
that
we
have
now,
because
it
does
it,
allow
it
to
be
on
the
street
in
the
neighborhood
know.
What
they're
asking
to
do
is
for
us
to
allow
it
inside
the
property.
Well,
so,
even
if
we
so
yeah,
so
even
if
we
were
to
agree
with
their
change
with
the
proposed
change,
it
wouldn't
really
matter
because
there
still
shouldn't
be
on
the
road
anyway,
right.
H
No
and
like
I
said
that
was
only
our
concerns
are
on
the
street.
The
only
thing
is
that
I
would
like
to
just
mention
is
that
they
shouldn't
be
there
at
all
right
now:
yeah
and
you're,
finding
them
in
the
street,
but
so
there's
if
people
start
bringing
them
in
I
would
think
that
the
likelihood
that
you're
gonna
find
more
on
the
street
is
gonna
go
up
because
you're
finding
on
the
street
right
now
they
should
be
there.
But
you
agree
with
me.
C
Right
that
it
would
be
easier
to
enforce
the
keeping
the
rules
we
have
now,
because
you
know
100
percent
of
the
time
when
there's
a
tractor
or
either
in
when
any
one
of
the
residential
designations
is
here
in
statute
that
you
know
it's
not
supposed
to
be
there
or,
as
if
you
add,
if
you
make
the
change
that
they're
proposing.
Now
it's
like
an
additional
step
like
well.
Do
you
have
a
permanent
you
not
have
a
permit
seems
like
it
complicated.
H
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F
I
For
example,
when
it
comes
to
handicap
parking,
I
know
that
there
are
certain
people,
regular
citizens
that
are
allowed
to
give
out
citations
when
people
are
parked
at
that
designated
handicap
parking
spaces
and
they
can
give
out
tickets.
So
why?
For
something,
that's
not
as
much
of
a
new,
but
it's
a
nuisance.
Why
can't
have
anybody
in
it
that
worked
for
the
city
give
out
these
citations
now.
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Some
patients
have
to
be
issued
by
people
who
are
certified
correct
code
enforcement
officers.
Not
just
anyone
can
issue
a
citation,
otherwise
the
Municipal
Court
will
throw
it
out.
Okay,
so
you
have
to
be
certified
code
enforcement
and
really
make
an
issue
that
and
be
yeah
a
PD
or
a
police
officer.
Yeah.
G
H
Fee
goes
up:
if
you
don't
pay
over
so
much
time,
I
can't
tell
you
what
a
residential,
but
what
I
did
want
to
mention
is
you
mentioned
PD
and
forgiven
tickets.
Note
thing
I
want
to
bring
up
is
that's
an
issue
of
manpower
right
now
we
got
for
the
entire
city,
radio.
We
have
11
guys
that
we
have
three
Monday
through
Friday
and
Saturday,
and
we
get
people
calling
us
all
the
time
because
the
apartment
they
live
in.
There's
people
parked
in
the
farming.
H
Well,
we
can't
send
somebody
we
will,
but
it's
it's
we're
just
overwhelmed
with
the
number
of
people
that
are
calling
us
and
all
it's
the
same
thing
for
peedee
peedee
only
has
certain
amount
of
officers
per
creasing
and
these
guys
are
doing
pretty
much
everything.
So,
if
we're
overwhelming
now-
and
then
you
want
to
throw
something
like
this
into
the
mix,
obviously
it's
gonna
make
it
that
much.
It's
gonna
be
that
much
more
of
a
burden
on
basically
in
any
city
entity.
No.
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C
A
F
There's
always
the
risk
factor,
I
mean
you
know
who
she'd
been
dreaming
the
San
Antonio
many
times
and
you'll
see
people
speeding
along
San
Antonio.
You
know
way
over
the
speed
limit
and
you
know
DPS
you
pop
those.
Those
are
pretty
expensive
tickets,
but
people
do
it
anyway.
So
what
they're
really
banking
on
is
the
fact
that
there's
not
enough
enforcement
out
there
and
so
they're.
You
know
you're
rolling
the
dice
I.
C
Don't
think
increasing
the
fine
is
gonna.
If
increasing
the
fine
is
going
to
reduce
the
violations.
The
same
way
that
capital
murder
reduces
murders,
I
mean
you
know
people,
you
know,
people
do
what
they're
gonna
do
regardless
is
define.
You
know,
I'm,
saying
I,
don't
think
that
you
can
craft
a
punishment
strong
enough.
I
A
Really
Mike
two
of
them
do
from
traffic
yeah.
My
question
really
was:
was
you
know
if
the
city
has
seen
an
increase
in
the
number
of
curbs
that
have
been
damaged
by
practice,
riders
going
over
them
into
residential
areas,
and
that
was
that
or
no
traffic
has
any
information
on
something
like
that
or
anybody
here
has
any
information
that
food
or
anybody
from
from
the
city
staff
I
mean
you
guys
are
all
out
there
in
the
field
you
have
guys
out
in
the
field.
A
G
Personal
experience
and
just
general
information
I
used
to
work.
My
summers
with
TxDOT
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
learned
with
Tech's
taught
on
there
right
away.
Their
curb
is
a
lot
higher
than
a
normal
curve.
It's
it's
a
den
chisholm
and
the
reason
what
I
did
learn
the
reason
it's
that
high,
because
I've
had
issues
before
waiting,
we're
just
pretty
much
when
they
turn
over.
G
I
D
Development
I
do
have
that
concern
similar
to
what
mr.
Lee
not
as
mentioned
earlier.
We
are
investing
a
lot
of
money
and
it's
and
sidewalks,
and
all
these
neighborhoods
that
don't
have
sidewalks,
and
it
is
a
concern
over
that.
You
know
that
investment
that
we're
making
as
a
community
limited
dollars
and
stretching
those
dollars
as
much
as
we
can
and-
and
we
have
the
concern
where
you
know
these
heavy
vehicles
will
you
know,
break
buildings
potential
for
on
the
on
the
court.
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Of
course,
Burnside
we
haven't
had
any
enforcement
initiatives
of
targeting
any
particular
areas
or
neighborhoods,
but
in
the
past
there
have
been
complaints
and
I
did
everyone
one
receive.
They
could
provide
us
a
report
and
we
can
provide
in
the
packet
the
Commission
touching
base
with
them
to
see
how
many
calls
we
have
gone
in
complaints.
D
A
J
Robert
Eve's
with
the
traffic
department,
mr.
chairman,
so
in
assessing
this
I,
do
want
to
I
guess,
bring
up.
What's
the
closest
to
this
I
guess
on
a
residential
parking
permit
program
that
we
currently
run
right
now,
granite
in
the
Shiloh
area,
where
United's
to
be,
if
you
don't
remember
that
is,
but
that
does
come
with
some
caveats.
J
So
part
of
the
caveat
is
you
need
to
get
67%
of
the
affected
area
signatures
to
be
able
to
even
have
this
permit
system
in
place,
and
so
that
constitutes
an
agreement
with
your
neighbors
that
this
this
will
happen,
and
so,
at
least
from
our
standpoint,
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
safety
concerns.
We
would
probably
see
there's
a
line
of
sight
issue
that
you
probably
have
seated
at
the
top
of
this
cab.
J
It's
running
in
the
street.
I'll.
Give
you
one
more
to
our
comprehensive
plan,
has
now
driven
us
towards
an
idea
of
road
dieting,
and
so
road
dieting
is
essentially,
that
is
where
we're
starting
to
compress
our
roadways
and
so
we're
gonna
be
we're
gonna.
You
know
be
getting
tighter
on
these
roadways,
and
so
this
is
going
to
become
more
and
more
valuable,
real
estate
and
building
up
to
the
front
end
of
these
Lots
and
so
I.
J
Don't
know
if
we're
gonna
start
working
ourselves,
counterproductive
and
in
this
idea,
because
we
need
as
much
space
as
we
can
just
for
normal
dealings.
When
you
started
introduced
this
sort
of
idea,
we
were
discussing
right
now.
If
the
the
parking
permit
system
is
going
to
be
off
site
off
the
street,
you
know
I've
see
that
that
that's
not
really
our
purview
wants
to
get
off
the
roadway
when
it
becomes.
J
A
K
One
other
concerns
that
are,
it
would
be,
it
would
be
the
safety.
You
know
we
have
a
lot
of
children
and
with
time
you
have
a
lot
of
these
tractors.
You
know
on
their
lot
or
that
side
of
the
street.
It
will
create
a
problem
and
that's
a
surprise.
So
we
we
go
through
the
streets
and
stuff
like
that
in
the
garbage
trucks
barely
fit
through
the
streets
because
most
don't
kind
of
narrow
yeah,
and
we
already
have
problems
with
the
Cobo
sex.
K
L
Or
police
department
there's
a
couple
of
things
to
consider.
First
of
all,
these
vehicles
are
oversized
they're,
not
designed
to
have
the
visibility
in
a
small,
narrow
street
versus
commercial
roadways.
So
that's
another
factor
to
consider
when
these
vehicles
striking
a
human
or
another
vehicle
because
we're
turning
radius,
it's
gonna
create
a
lot
of
problems.
A
lot
of
problems,
I
get
stuck.
We
have
to
send
out
personnel
to
assist
getting
vehicles
out
of
the
way
just
to
get
out
of
there.
The
property
noise
nuisance
is
another.
L
One
drivers
work
at
all:
they
depart
at
all
hours
of
the
day.
Sometimes
they
have
to
be
part
of
3:00
in
the
morning.
They
get
that
engine
running
and
we
get
deployed
by
the
time
that
we
arrive
there.
Of
course,
it's
it's
hard
to
enforce
noise
nuisance
laws
because
the
person
is
longer
there.
We
don't
have
any
evidence
to
support
the
citation
and
we
just
need
people
upset
and
it's
going
to
be
periodic
problem.
L
So
those
are
the
things
to
consider,
of
course,
the
stress
on
the
on
the
on
the
road,
the
sidewalks.
We
see
it
all
the
time
you
can
see
driveways
or
commercial
vehicles
or
overweight
vehicles
Oh
through
they
are
cracked.
They
create
a
lot
of
stress
on
the
infrastructure.
I
know
the
the
thing
is
to
support
a
lot
of
the
the
industry
here
in
town,
but
this
is
just
going
to
create
more
problems
and
solutions
as
it
is,
as
you
can
tell
from
the
photographs,
we
have
several
ways
to
enforce
it.
L
L
You
also
have
the
parking
and
ordinance
divisions
that
can
enforce
these
violations,
but
yet
it's
still
not
enough.
People
still
try
to
get
away
with
it.
They
get
cited
and
so
forth,
but-
and
you
probably
don't
see
a
reoccurring,
but
as
it
is,
there's
too
much
of
the
demand
for
drivers
or
cell
phone
operators
that
that
problem
will
go
away,
but
another
one
will
pop
up.
L
L
Flores,
but
also
to
determine
who
has
permanent
has
an
expired
and
all
these
other
training
issues,
and
you
know
sometimes
going
out
in
the
middle
of
night
or
late
at
night
early
in
the
morning,
people
are
asleep
because
the
hours
they
work,
it's
can
be
done.
But
again
it's
going
to
demand
more
resources
to
properly
address
any.
M
C
A
A
The
next
item
is
discussion
possible
action
regarding
the
viva
la
del
city,
Laredo,
comprehensive
plan.
I
want
to
thank
all
the
city
staff
who
make
time
to
come
down
here
to
this
workshop.
We
appreciate
all
your
input
and
we
want
to
thank
you
for
participating
in
this
workshop.
Thank
you
all
you're
free
to
stay
for
the
comprehensive
plan
review.
If
you
want.
I
A
F
A
C
Think
that,
and
it's
not
something
that
we
covered
today,
because
we're
looking
at
the
area
near
the
mine
area,
undeveloped
area.
But
one
issue
that
comes
up
is
that
in
areas
of
the
city
that
are
residential
and
afternoon,
those
communities
have
more
political
sway
in
terms
of
the
kind
of
choices
that
the
City
Council
made
when
they
bury,
or
they
deviate
from
the
zoning
ordinances
and
let
and
communities
that
are
less
organized
or
less
powerful,
have
less
sway
over
those
political
decisions.
C
To
begin
to,
have
that
conversation
about
what
we
can
do
to
sort
of
put
that
kind
of
political
pressure
on
city
council
to
make
sure
that
when
they
are
making
deviations
from
the
zoning
or
from
the
compound
designations,
that
the
communities
are
more
empowered
in
understanding
what
those
changes
are
going
to
mean
to
their
neighborhoods
and
one,
it
might
be
one
way
of
doing
that
and
that
other
cities
have
done
to
equalize.
The
political
power
is
to
create
neighborhood
associations
and
to
have
a
department
that
oversees
the
creation
of
those
neighborhood
associations.
C
A
The
work
you
know,
I
don't
disagree
with
you.
I
think
it's
something
that
we
need
to
talk
about,
but
I
think
what
we
need
to
get
through.
First
is
the
plan.
You
know
once
we
can,
you
know,
figure
out
exactly
the
uses,
the
future
land-use
plan
and
once
we
can
all
say,
okay
I
think
we've
got
it
who,
where
this
kind
of
works,
that's
the
next
step,
I
agree
what
we
need
to
you
know.
We
need
to
explore
that
and
say
anything.
A
Out
I
think
that
to
me,
I
think
that,
but
we
need
to
do
is:
let's
try
to
get
through
the
land
through
the
land,
use
and
kind
of
figure
out
that
everything
is,
you
know,
gonna
fit
and
work
for
the
future,
and
then
after
we
get
through
that,
then
I
think
we
need
to
go
ahead.
Start
looking
at
other
aspects
on
how
to
control
the
land
use
and
the
appropriate
growth
of
the
city.
C
A
So
at
this
point
we
just
need
a
motion,
I
guess
to
to
close
this
workshop
and
motion
to
adjourn
there.
We
go
motion
in
a
second
all,
those
in
favor
all
right
and
then
I
guess
we'll
at
our
next
PNC
meeting.
I
guess
we
can
discuss
when
you
guys
want
to
get
together
again
to
have
another
workshop.
Is
that
good?
Okay?
Thank
you!
All
Thanks
contact
city,
staffers
sticking
around.