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Planning and Zoning Committee Special Meeting and Workshop 072921
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Plus
other
information
today
with
some
staff
members
just
to
go
over
some
more
details,
and
I
know
that
the
group
has
some
more
information
that
they're
gonna
be
updating
after
that
earlier
today.
Here
in
this
room,
we
had
a
presentation
for
the
builders
association
we
had
about
35
attendees.
A
lot
of
them
were
engineers
and
developers
interested
in
this
project,
and
I
think
it
was
a
very
good
turnout.
There
was
good
question
and
answer
time
and
some
opinions,
and
I
think
I
thought
it
went
very
well.
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Let
you
know
about
the
process.
The
next
steps,
how
we're
going
to
make
sure
that
everyone
who
needs
to
understand
the
changes
in
the
in
the
code.
I
shouldn't
call
them
changes,
then,
when
we
need
to
understand
the
new
code
understands
it
process
for
comments
for
integrating
comments,
and
then
you
know,
we
can
even
take
comments
on
that
at
this
point,
where
we
plan
out
the
the
final
steps
before
adoption.
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So
it's
on
the
website
for
the
next
few
weeks.
The
idea
is
for
everyone
to
everyone,
who's
interested.
This
goes
for
the
commission.
The
the
developer
and
builder
the
world
in
laredo
now
have
their
instructions
on
how
to
get
their
hands
on
it.
They've
got
a
schedule
to
return
comments
to
us,
and
the
idea
is
at
the
in
the
last
few.
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Discretionary
zoning
is
where
standards
are
negotiated
between
the
applicant
and
the
city,
and
you
do
have
a
pd
overlay
where
that
currently
exists,
and
then
performance
standards
are
things
like
fars
impervious
cover
percentages,
but
we
think
that
all
of
those
different
types
of
zoning
regulations
have
a
place
in
this
code,
and
so
we
recommend
using
a
hybrid
code
to
really
make
sure
you
get
dependable
quality
development
so
moving
forward.
Our
recommendations
for
our
strategies
for
the
new
code
are
to
use
a
hybrid
from
the
vivo.
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So
we
wanted
to
amend
the
existing
regulations,
you'll
notice
in
your
existing
code
and
some
of
the
rest
of
those
residential
districts,
townhouses
and
zero
lot
lines
are
currently
permitted,
but
there's
no
way
to
get
around
the
setbacks
for
those
zones,
so
you
have
to
do
a
pd
or
a
special
use
code
or
something
to
get
around
it.
So
we
want
to
create
a
special
use
regulation
that
allows
townhouses
and
xero
lot
lines
to
happen
by
right
without
that
secondary
improvement
process
and
then
creating.
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We
want
to
consolidate
the
district
purpose
statements,
dimensional
standards
and
related
graphics
to
the
districts
in
one
location,
for
each
selling
district
clarify
the
writing
style,
move
all
the
regulations
for
specific
uses
to
their
own
article
and
then
create
a
solid
definitions,
library
or
rules
for
interpretation
that
makes
sort
of
any
question
that
might
come
up.
You
know
easy
to
answer.
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We
also
wanted
to
arrange
the
new
code
logically
by
topic,
you'll
see
when
I
get
to
the
outline
of
the
existing
format
to
the
new
format.
What
I
mean
by
that,
but
there
was
sort
of
no
rhyme
or
reason
to
the
way
that
ldc
was
organized
as
far
as
what
came
first
and
second
and
then
as
much
as
possible
once
again,
just
consolidate
repetitive
lists
or
excessive
legalese
and
make
it
simpler,
and
you
know
less
less
verbiage
and
more
graphics.
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So
here's
some
examples
of
those
the
one
on
the
left
is
a
sample
of
a
typical
cut
sheet
that
will
be
presented
for
each
of
the
zoning
districts.
It
has
all
of
the
dimensional
standards
and
information.
You
would
need
about
the
zoning
district.
So
when
can
come
and
pull
this
sheet
out
and
do
a
quick
feasibility
study
or
understand
what's
possible
on
their
property
and
then
the
table
on
the
right
is
a
chart
which
shows
all
of
the
required
application
materials
for
each
different
application,
whether
it's
a
rezoning
site
plan,
master
plan,
etc.
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Document
so
beyond
that
sort
of
an
organizational
framework,
we
wanted
to
just
pull
out
a
few
samples
of
things
that
might
interest
the
community
things
that
are
changing
in
the
new
code.
This
isn't
a
complete
list,
as
mario
mentioned
you
know,
we've
got
the
the
draft
up
on
the
website.
The
intent
is
that
you
can
visit
the
website
download
it.
Take
your
time
with
all
of
the
details
and
provide
you
know,
comments
on
any
of
the
articles,
but
we
just
wanted
to
introduce
you
to
it.
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I
mean,
if
you
can
answer
to
the
question
as
to
what's
the
difference
between
rl1
and
rl2
right,
because
if
you
look
at
the
title,
it's
the
same
title
right
and
if
you
look
at
the
rh1
residential
high
and
rh2
residential
high
and
say
well,
what
is
the
significant
difference
that
requires
differentiation?
Differentiation.
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Well,
but
I
mean
if
you're
inside
the
city
limits
you're
almost
in
there,
you're,
not
you're,
not
doing
much
annexation
right
now
because
of
costs
on
areas
that
are
not
going
to
utilize
fairly,
quick,
okay.
So,
unless
you're
going
to,
I
don't
know
anybody
who
would
say-
and
I
could
be
wrong
and
that's
why
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
what
you
guys
are
thinking.
I
mean
obviously
there's
a
lot
of
new
uses
in
agriculture.
You
know
and
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
I'm
trying
to
figure
out.
Okay,
are
you
all
thinking
of
you
know?
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And
collapsing
as
much
as
possible,
if
we
want
to
do
that,
that's
the
gesture
here
overall
gesture,
but
I
think
we
have
to
go
back
and
study
just
sort
of
tinker
with
it
and
get
some
case
studies
and
drawing
because
I
want
to
see
the
same
dimensional
and
other
sort
of
regulations
that
were
applying
to
the
large
lots
if
we
applied
them
to
the
small
ones.
Is
that
going
to
have
unintended
consequences
in
the
in
the
way
that
things
are
laid
out
and
designed
like?
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All
these
different
new
codes
I
go,
it
seems
like
we
didn't,
simplify
things
like
we
just
added
more,
and
I
know
what
you're
trying
to
do,
but
I
like
corey
and
I
were
discussing
earlier
if
we
can
simplify
where
you've
got
one
code
on
one
or
whatever.
That
is,
and
that
gives
you
you
know
single
family
residential.
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All
the
time
and
so
they've
got
to
use
everybody's
space
to
get
in
and
that
I
agree
with
the
concept
of
creating
smaller
lots
and
creating
affordability
for
people
to
be
able
to
access
homes.
But
you
still
have
to
resolve
the
issue
of
mobility
of
the
cars
that
are
there
that
are
impeding
that
process.
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So
that's
a
solution.
The
other
solution
is
to
increase
parking
requirements
for
the
homeowner,
but
both
those
solutions
then
go
they're
the
opposing
force
of
affordability
right.
So
it's
so
one
of
the
sort
of
trying
to
figure
out
what
the
right
option
is
to
make
sure
that
the
density
that
is
necessary
for
really
for
you
not
to
have
to
buy
four
cars
right
and
again,
I'm
talking
about.
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Maybe
this
doesn't
happen
overnight
over
that
we
transition
into
a
more
transit
oriented,
plus
oriented
community.
We
have
to
sort
of
live
a
little
closer
together,
because
the
bus
can't
just
stop
in
a
suburban
neighborhood
to
pick
up
two
people,
we've
got
to
stop
at
an
area.
That's
a
little
more
dense,
pick
up
more
people
for
the
bus
system
to
be
viable.
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So
all
this
kind
of
horse
had
a
hand
if
you
want
a
walkable
community
with
good
transit.
We
have
to
take
the
first
step
and
allow
for
that
higher
density
to
happen.
Now
the
way
that
this
this
code
right
now
stands
there's
a
point
at
which
the
thoughts
get
so
small
that
you
need
dimensionals
and
design
requirements
so
that
you
don't
end
up
with
an
unintended
sort
of
unattractive
and
unlivable
situation
in
a
smart
block,
because
people
can
live
negatively
with
squat
loss.
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Then
we've
attached
further
design
regulations
to
not
have
a
situation.
That
does
that.
So
you
know
the
parking
goes
to
the
back.
You
know
the
the
where
the
building
sits
on
the
property.
The
garages
can't
sit
in
the
front.
So
then
it
doesn't
look
like
it
looks
like
a
tablet
and
it
is
communities
you
know
actually
do.
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So,
for
instance,
in
the
zonings
that
you
have
there,
you
intend
to
incorporate
a
design
standard
with
the
zone
as
well,
where
you're
going
to
limit
the
size
of
the
house
and
you're
going
to
limit
the
design
of
the
house
so
that
it
doesn't
have
the
garages
and
it
doesn't
have
the
other
things
in
order
to
make
it
comply
with
what
is
occurring
in
the
real
world.
Is
that
what
you're
saying.
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If
you're
going
to
back
load
a
lot,
then
how
are
you
going
to
access
it?
Are
you
going
to
have
alleys
in
the
back
or
what
is
that
the
plan,
but
so
it's
kind
of
like
okay,
whether
I
give
you
the
space
of
a
wider
street
or
I
give
you
an
alley.
You
know
you're
still,
you
know
taking
different
different
dimensional
standards
to
comply
with
what
you
want
to
do
to
me.
A
It
would
seem
more
logical
to
just
say
you
know
what
let's
just
make
it
a
60
foot
right
away
or
a
65
foot
right
away,
because
right
now,
like
like
when
larry's
saying,
is
every
subdivision
that
you
get
into
right
now.
I
think
it's
34
back-to-back
baby,
you
park
cars
on
the
side.
Now
you
got
limited
to
one
lake,
one
travel
lane
and,
and
it's
not
functional,
it's
not
a
functional
system.
I
mean
right
now
any
subdivision
you
go
to
you
can't
get
through
somebody's
coming
and
there's
parts.
You've
got
to
wait.
A
Somebody's
got
to
figure
out,
you
go
first,
so
if
we
can
figure
out
a
way
how
to
resolve
that
issue
and
still
comply
with
smaller
lots.
Instead
of
backloading
them
I
mean
it's
a
good
idea.
Don't
get
me
wrong,
I
don't
disagree
with
the
backloading.
That's
a
good
option.
It's
a
good
option,
but
I
think
the
bigger
picture
here
that
has
to
be
looked
at
is
the
actual
amount
of
street
requirement
that
may
offset
some
of
these
things
in
other
cities.
A
When
you
have
smaller
densities
like
that,
what
they
usually
do
is
it's
a
totally
different
concept.
They'll
have
a
main
arterial
and
then
they'll
have
an
access
road
for
you
to
get
on
it
to
get
to
your
subdivision
and
use
that
and
then
come
back
in,
but
that's
a
totally
different
concept
than
what
you're
got
here.
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But
I
think
it's
something
we
need
to
look
at,
because
I
think
that
is
a
factor
that
we
know
what
the
cost
is,
and
I
don't
believe
land
is
going
to
drop
anytime
soon,
if
anything
will
go
the
opposite
way.
Like
always,
we
need
to
look
at
the
density
factor
on
smaller
lots,
the
amount
of
vehicles
that
is
a
natural
and
how
we
can
create
an
environment
there.
That
is
a
very
livable
environment
for
everybody,
keep
it
in
the
compliance
with
what
you're
talking
about
walkability
and
all
these
things.
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Future
yeah
they
do
a
wholesale
rezoning
to
realign
with
that.
So
that's
one
option:
some
communities
do
a
transition
period
where
you
can
still
build
within
the
existing
districts
or
you
can
maybe
opt
in
to
the
new
district,
but
the
way
we've
structured
it
is
that
the
existing
districts
would
feed
into
new
history.
So
there's
not
new
areas
that
district
is
comprised
of
the
old
districts,
but
as
far
as
the
etj
and
annexation,
the
future
land
use
map
is
adopted
and
shows
where
those
areas
that
are
undeveloped,
what
the
preferred.
A
Songs
and
then
trying
to
do
that.
I
remember
my
good
friend
abdul
tatangelo
who
abhorred
mobile
homes,
and
so
the
city
did
a
20-year
10-year
transition
period,
and
I
would
dare
say
that
some
mobile
homes
were
eliminated,
but
not
as
many
as
you
would
have
thought.
Those
smaller
homes
probably
still
exist
to
this
day
and-
and
so
my
my
question
is:
how
well
do
you
think
this
is
going
to
be
incorporated
or
accepted
within
the
community.
I
And
is
there
going
to
be
the
political
will
to
do
that?
To
the
first
comment,
though,
there
is
still
a
chapter
on
non-conformities,
so
everything
that's
already
developed
and
on
the
ground
now
would
be
able
to
continue
to
be.
There
would
be
no
expiration
date
of
that
current
use.
But
when
someone
went
to
go
back
and
redevelop
that
language
they
would
be
subject
to
the
new
regulations
or
if
they
didn't
certain
certain
thresholds
of
renovation
or
expansion
that
would
trigger.
F
There
are
changes
to
the
to
some
of
the
dimensional
standards
in
a
minor
way,
but
they're
for
the
most
part
intact,
as
you
move
into
the
new
standards.
That's
part
of
the
reason
why
there's
different
categories
of
new
standards,
you
know
we're
sort
of
matching
them
up
with
what
the
old
ones
used
to
be
and
just
getting
them
to
work
to
be
a
little
more
flexible,
as
we
can
to
not
have
our
again
so
sort
of
another
conflict.
I
I
perceive
today
might
not
be
the
case.
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So
that's
sort
of
the
reason
why
these
there
are
different
categories,
because
there
are
some
lower
density
ones
that
are
appropriate
in
some
areas
and
that
are
beneficial,
and
then
there's
also
the
option
to
restrict
out
some
of
that
high
density
in
some
of
the
larger
mod
subdivisions
that
you
can
build,
so
that
that
sort
of
takes
care
of
itself.
Because
and
that's
why?
There's
categories
so
that
you
have
the
differences
in
densities
and
you
can
as
a
planner
designer
engineer
you
can
play
with
it
in
the
most
appropriate
way.
F
I
think
the
market
takes
care
of
a
lot
of
this
too.
As
you
know,
the
developer's
not
just
going
to
know
their
homes
if
they're
they're
selling
high-end
homes,
they
know
what
to
put
next
to
it
or
what
not
to
put
next
to
within
the
toolkit,
that's
going
to
increase
or
decrease
the
value
of
whatever
they're
selling.
F
F
F
I
don't
want
to
misuse
your
words
and
we
took
notes.
You
can
read
them
all.
I
hate
to
misrepresent
like
what
I
heard,
because
I
need
to
go
through
them,
but
again,
I'm
you
know.
You
know
extracting
the
sort
of
the
sentiment
from
the
development
community
from
this
afternoon
and
without
getting
into
the
nuts
and
bolts
is
the
the
the
there
was
a
need
to
have
the
smaller
lot
still
to
be
able
to
have
that
as
a
product.
That
was
an
absolute.
F
B
A
lot
of
the
discussions
are
on
that
as
well,
and
I
think
the
issue
there
is.
I
I
want
to
say
almost
everybody
is
a
proponent
of
affordability,
or
at
least
I
am,
and
what
I
would
hate
to
see
is
to
have
us
move
forward
in
a
direction
where
we
create
smaller
size,
lots
with
the
intent
of
reducing
the
cost
of
the
finished
product
and
and
then
not
have
that
finished
product
priced
at
what
we
thought.
It
would
be.
E
H
E
H
H
So
so,
if
we,
if
we
can
kind
of
compromise
on
on
the
width
of
the
lot,
we
don't
have
to
deal
with
the
with
the
eastmans
on
the
back,
which
is
a
great
idea.
It's
just
the
land
is
so
expensive.
So
what
are
you
going
to
do?
You're
going
to
have
an
eastman,
that's
land,
that
it's
not
buildable,
so
yeah.
E
G
E
G
I
I
I
A
A
The
maximum
flexibility-
well,
I
mean
because
then
you're
going
to
have
issues
that
we
deal
with
here
on
the
commission
constantly.
If
people
want
to
convert
a
property,
that
is
probably
could
be
a
let's
say,
for
example,
a
a
small
lot
from
the
old
days,
a
3
000
square
foot
lot
with
a
35
foot
front.
Now
they
want
to
convert
it
and
now
we're
allowing
them
to
convert
it
to
an
mx2.
A
I
A
I
just
I
just
that
poor
having
to
look
at
small
properties
coming
back
to
this
commission
for
rezoning
and
let's
say
that
we
deny
it,
but
let's
say
the
council
approves
it
well
now
we've
got
this
hunchbox
of
little
areas.
That
really
should
not
be
a
business
district,
but
if
you
put
a
minimum
size
on
it,
then
that
deters
anything
from
kind
of
being
overwritten,
because
now
you've
got
a
minimum
lot
size.
On
the
district,
like
we
had
before.
F
Some
in
some
cases
by
right
the
the
mix
of
uses
that
is
necessary
for
somebody
to
have
a
corner
store
somewhere
in
some
appropriate
neighborhood
like
that.
That
would
need
to
be
an
option
if
we're,
if
we're
trying
to
get
people
to
have
useful
places
to
walk
to,
because
you
can
put
all
the
sidewalks
in
the
world.
If
you
don't
have
a
useful
place
to
walk
to,
then
you're
always
going
to
use
your
car,
which
means
you're
always
going
to
have
four
cars.
F
A
Well,
I
think
we
do
need
to
give
it
some
kind
of
a
minimum
lot
size.
I
I
think
I
don't
disagree
with
the
concept
you
know
neighborhood
uses.
I
fully
agree
with
that,
but
I
think
to
leave
it
open-ended
to
me.
Is
it's
not
the
right
way
to
go?
I
think
we
do
need
to
give
it
some
kind
of
a
parameter,
because
most
people
are
going
to
be
looking
at
at
the
district
and
they're
going
to
say.
A
If
you
have
a
standard
that
they
got
to
meet
a
minimum,
then
I
think
you
know
that
that's
a
lot
easier
for
everybody
to
digest
in
their
business
plan
and
I'll
tell
you
where
I'm
coming
from
there's
too
many
people
that
are
mom
and
pop
and
I've
seen
it
because
when
I
was
in
the
building
I
saw
this
all
the
time.
I'd
have
people
come
in
and
say
I
want
to
go
ahead
and
rent
this
property,
because.
E
K
A
Bit
and
I
saw
these
businesses
bust
every
three
months-
people
just
do
not
have
a
mom-and-pop
stuff
and
a
good
hand
molester
what
they
want
to
do
in
business,
and
that's
why
I'm
saying
we
need
a
minimum,
some
kind
of
a
standard
on
it
to
minimize
I'd,
say
people
come
in.
I
had
three
thousand
dollars:
four
thousand
five.
They
just
blew
their
money
right.
B
I
The
other
thing
I
would
just
add,
if
we
definitely
look
at
you,
know
adding
a
minimum
outside.
The
other
thing
I
would
add
is
that
we
have
beefed
up
the
language
as
far
as
the
approval
criteria
for
refunding.
So
in
the
procedures
article,
it
talks
about
what
the
board
and
the
council
should
consider
when
they're
authorizing
rezoning.
I
A
D
H
I'm
going
to
make
a
comment:
real,
quick
on
that
minimum
blood
area.
Maybe
what
I?
What
I
feel
that
that
mario
is
trying
to
to
create
is
that
if
we
have
a
building
like
downtown
laredo-
and
we
have
a
thousand
square
feet
right
next
to
that
building
that
could
be
usable
for
for
what
you
were
mentioning.
Maybe
sales
pray
or
sell
some
type
of
product
that
is
good
for
the
community.
H
H
F
I
Okay,
awesome
and
then
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
some
other
areas
where
there
are
some
changes
and
we're
still
looking
at
this
very
actively
where
we
can
do
trade-offs
and
alternative
compliance
paths.
But
these
are
just
some
of
the
areas
where
there's
already
built-in
flexibility
we've
got
more
flexible
permanent
uses.
I
I
There's
limited
exemptions
for
in
order
to
promote
adaptive,
reuse
and
renovating
existing
buildings.
You
can
get
some
exemptions
from
regulations
to
do
that.
There's,
alternative
compliance,
landscaping,
your
park
credits
are
transferrable
and
then
we
already
talked
about
the
conservation
options
in
the
residential
districts
and
then
you
can
use
tree
preservation
to
reduce
your
required
landscaping.
A
B
E
I
A
In
other
words,
if
you,
I
guess,
want
to
donate
more
land
for
park,
use
and
you're
really
required
to,
then
you
could
say
well.
I've
got
an
extra
two
acres
here
that
I
wanted.
Okay,
because
it's
a
creek
and
I
want
to
use
that
as
a
green
space,
but
because
we're
going
to
do
another
development
down
the
road
I'll,
just
transfer.
Some
of
that
over.
F
F
A
K
H
Right
they
they
will
provide
a
a
an
area
that
is
not
even
walkable
as
a
green
space
and
that
doesn't
make
any
sense
because
then
the
community
we
go
back
to
these
two
small
lots,
see
they
want
to
go
out
and
barbecue
or
just
have
the
kids
walk
on
the
green
areas,
they're
not
accessible.
So
it's
it's
the
weight
system,
you're
right
on
that.
That's
a
good
call.
A
A
I
They
have
to
look
at
the
whole
city
and
where
we're
providing
the
different
categories
of
parks
and
the
service
areas
of
those,
and
so
in
certain
areas.
If
I
have
too
much
park
in
certain
areas,
you
might
not
have
enough,
and
so
I
think
all
that's
debating
in
there
towards
the
parks
director
has
the
authority
to
approve
some
of
those
dedications.
A
A
Those
were
issues
that
we
saw
some
time
back
in
the
commission,
and
I
know
when
joey
days
was
on
here.
Joey
was
very
adamant
about
parks
and
the,
and
what
was
being
really
given
to
that
subdivision,
whether
it
was
usable
or
not,
and
I
I
just
think
we
need
to
look
at
that-
I
I
I
don't
really
agree
with
with
access
land
being
transferable
to
do
you
somewhere
else.
I
I
don't
think
that's
the
right
thing.
I
Zone
right
so
so
yeah
we're
still
working
through
that
section
there.
As
you
may
know,
there
was
a
recently
open
space
master
plan
adopted
by
the
city,
so
we're
trying
to
incorporate
that
into
the
code,
and
so
we
have
to
bring
the
existing
parkland
dedication
sort
of
into
alignment
with
that
and
there's
some
new
formulas
based
on.
You
know
acreage
for
dwelling
units
and
so
all
of
that
isn't
quite
100,
updated
yet,
but
we're
working
on
it.
B
B
A
B
C
A
I
Currently,
looking
at
it
we're
looking
at
city
of
san
antonio
as
a
best
practice
or
a
reference,
but
right
now
the
furniture
is
being
renewed
over
and
over
again,
and
so
yes,
they're
aware
of
some
30
year
old
letters
of
credit.
And
so
we
want
to.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
those
have
an
enforcement
date
and
that.
A
A
I
I
I
All
right
and
then
like
orlando
mentioned,
we
met
with
the
lba
today.
The
goal
is
to
come
back
on
the
18th
and
do
a
more
detailed
workshop
with
them
and
go
through
each
of
the
articles
in
a
holiday
workshop
we'd
like
to
sort
of
extend
a,
I
guess,
a
similar
process
where
you
now
have
access
to
get
access
shortly
to
the
document
and
go
through
and
provide
more
detail,
comments
and
responses,
and
then
we
probably
need
to
come
back
and
meet
with
you
again
and
receive
that
feedback.
I
And
then,
if
we
need
to
go
into
more
detail
on
any
of
the
individual
people,
and
then
we
are
looking
to
go
out
to
different
some
of
the
different
bodies
within
the
city.
Kiwanis
notary
and
you
know
other
groups,
and
so
those
will
be
coming
shortly
in
the
next
month
or
two
we
haven't
turned
out
these
updates
of
those,
and
then
you
know
we
haven't
also
sort
of
put
a
definite
schedule
on
how
we're
moving
towards
adoption.