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Planning and Zoning Committee Meeting 110520
B
A
A
You
do
have
quorum
all
right.
Thank
you.
We
do
need
a
motion
to
excuse,
commissioner
uganda.
He
did
ask
to
be
excused
because
he
was
working.
Can
I
have
emotions
that
effect?
I
don't
know
if
anybody
else
called
in
ralph
other
than
with
the
other
commissioners
flores
and
mr
lavalina,
if
they
contact
me.
A
A
A
A
B
Well,
sir,
as
you
know,
we
have
a
lag
so
if
we
can
give
it
about
a
minute
and
during
that
time,
if
I
can
remind
everybody
if
you're,
not
speaking
to
me
at
your
mic,
I'll
try
to
do
the
same.
And
commissioner,
I
know
you
typically
don't
do
that.
But
for
some
reason
today
your
mic
is
giving
quite
a
lot
of
feedback,
even
if
you
can't
hear
it
it,
it
makes
it
difficult
when
others
speak,
even
if
your
mic's
on
so.
D
B
B
A
All
right,
let's
move
on,
then
we
have
item
number
five
reviewed
consideration
of
the
following
master
plan.
5A
is
reviewed
because
reconsideration
of
loma's
master
plan,
the
intense
commercial
and
residential
purpose
of
this
revision
is
to
further
subdivide
base
16
a
and
face
16
b,
all
right
who's
going
to
make
this
presentation.
C
A
A
C
C
Brief
overview,
the
applicant
laredo
amana
said
homes
limited.
The
engineer
of
record
is
surfing
engineering,
4.32,
acres,
located
west
of
ajido
and
south
of
katyana
drive,
the
zoning
is
r1a,
the
proposed
use
is
residential
and
the
proposed
number
of
lots
is
32,
general
location,
aerial
view
street
view,
and
the
proposed
plan
comments
from
planning
and
water
utilities.
B
A
A
A
A
second
from
commissioner
lugo,
those
who
are
not
in
favor
of
approving
this
signify
by
saying
aye,
the
nun
heard
motion
carries.
Thank
you.
Next
item,
preliminary
consideration
of
the
replay
of
lop35
block,
one
cuatro
viento
subdivision
phase,
five
and
fifteen
point
one:
nine
six
acres
out
of
watson
track
into
vista;
that's
what
then,
is
residential
all
right.
C
Overview
hkf
development,
llc.
The
engineer
of
record
is
engineering
approximately
sixteen
point:
five
acres
located
west
of
ahida
north
of
pita
magana,
the
zoning
is
r1a,
the
proposed
use
is
residential
and
the
proposed
number
of
lots
is
32,
general
location,
aerial
view
street
view
and
the
proposed
plaque.
A
A
And
when
your
seconds,
all
those
who
are
not
in
favor
of
approving
the
signify
by
saying
aye
motion
carries.
Thank
you.
The
next
item
is
item.
Seven
consideration
of
the
final
final,
the
following
final
flats
and
the
final
replats:
seven,
a
consideration
of
the
plaid
of
shenandoah
valley,
subdivision
phase
three
in
tennis,
residential.
C
A
A
C
A
A
B
A
A
Dominguez
seconds,
all
those
who
are
not
in
favor
of
the
motion
to
approve
signify
by
saying
aye
motion
carries
the
next
item
that
we
have,
then,
is
the
final
consideration
of
the
replay
of
lot
three
block.
Five
riverside
subdivision
into
lot.
Three:
a
and
lot
three
b
block,
5
riverside
subdivision
10
is
multifamily.
A
Yes,
you,
you
made
the
motion
to
approve
right,
stay
a
second
all
right.
We
have
a
second
ideas.
All
those
who
say
all
those
were
not
in
favor
of
the
motion
to
approve
signify
by
saying
aye
motion
carries
next
item
item
eight,
a
reconsideration
of
the
following
final
flats
and
final
hey.
It's
final
reconsideration
of
the
replay
of
lot
7a
in
block
10.
A
A
A
B
B
B
D
B
Good
I
like,
where
you're
going
with
that,
I
I
don't
have
actual
numbers
here
with
traffic.
I
could
have
put
them
here,
but
just
we
work
with
them
a
lot
and
the
idea
is
yes
now.
Why
would
you
guess,
commissioner,
advice
that
before
1980
traffic
increased
proportion
with
population
but
after
1980
traffic
started
to
increase
exponentially
compared
to
the
population?
Why
would
you
think
that
free
trade
yeah,
that's
a
big
part
of
it?
F
B
G
B
The
average,
but
we
all
know
many
people
who
own
more
than
two
cars
per
family,
there's
a
lot
more
ownership,
there's
a
lot
more
driving.
We
drive
a
lot
more
than
we
used
to
no
before
in
1940.
The
typical
that
you'd,
see
in
terms
of
road
infrastructure
in
the
city
was
two
lanes
now.
A
great
example
is
look
at
our
downtown
laredo.
You
see
enough
capacity
there
ucf
road
built
for
two
lanes
of
traffic.
B
B
Well,
you
know,
since
then,
we've
seen
six
lane
roads
come
into
the
city.
We
so
we're
not
only
adding
more
of
all
the
other
smaller
roads,
but
we're
also
adding
bigger
and
bigger
roads.
And
but
the
question
is,
can
we
keep
up
with
the
population?
Can
we
keep
up
with
the
traffic
and
the
answer
is
no.
We
can't
because
adding
road
infrastructure
is
something
that
at
best
happens
linearly,
but
population
is
growing
greater
than
linearly
and
traffic
has
been
growing
exponentially
and
anecdotally.
B
If
you
well,
not
anecdotally,
if
you
look
at
the
experience
the
technical
experience
of
those
bigger
cities
who
have
grown
faster
than
us
and
tried
to
keep
up
with
a
lot
of
money
and
a
lot
of
effort,
even
they
can't
keep
up
with
it.
This
is
the
I-10
katy
freeway
in
houston,
26
lanes,
26
lanes,
and
yet
this
ranks
among
the
top
five
most
congested
roadways
in
the
state.
B
The
point
I'm
trying
to
make
is
that
we
cannot
build
our
way
out
of
congestion
and
I'm
not
the
only
one
saying
this
in
a
republican
state.
A
republican
governor,
who's
very
much
pro-development
has
said
the
bottom
line.
Is
this
the
way
people
get
around
the
way
people
live
is
going
to
change
as
a
result,
this
generation
of
roads
that
we're
in
charge
of
building
is
probably
the
last
major
build
out
of
roads,
we'll
have
in
the
state
of
texas.
B
Even
considering
the
fact
that
texas
is
the
fastest
growing
state
in
america,
the
future
of
transportation
lies
in
alternatives
to
traditional
motor
vehicle
travel.
Now
I
want
to
underscore
that
by
saying
it
doesn't
mean
we're
all
going
to
be
going
around
on
scooters
and
bicycles
and
holding
hands
and
singing
songs.
That's
not
what
I'm
saying
what
I'm
saying
is
that
we
can't
fix
the
congestion
problem
with
more
lanes,
bigger
roads,
more
roads.
B
We
won't
be
able
to
fix
the
congestion
problem.
We
have
to
realize
that
that
is
the
reality
going
forward.
What
we,
the
best
option
we
have
is
to
give
people
more
options
of
how
to
get
around
from
a
to
b.
That's
it
we're
not
forcing
people
to
change
the
way
they
they
get
around
or
just
giving
them
more
options,
so
they
can
choose
what
they
want
to
do
with
that.
One
last
slide
for
me
and
then
I
want
to
turn
it
over
to
our
great
staff.
B
B
Double
connect
multiply
it's
one
of
the
big
recommendations
from
the
plan,
and
that
is
that
in
the
next
10
years
this
is
a
this
is
a
20
to
build
out
plan
20
years
to
build
out,
but
we
really
focus
on
those
10
years
and
in
those
next
10
years,
we're
only
asking
that
the
city
doubled
the
amount
of
bicycle
lanes
in
the
city,
and
some
may
think
that
sounds
like
a
lot.
But
it's
really
not,
because
we've
only
got
35
miles
of
bicycle
lane,
we're
only
saying
70
in
the
next
10
years.
B
That's
four
miles
a
year.
Basically,
however,
we
are
saying
but
only
add
more
bicycle
infrastructure
where
it
connects
to
existing,
because
the
problem
is
like.
We
showed
you
last
time.
We've
got
all
these
bits
and
pieces
here,
but
then
it's
connected,
so
the
longest
ride
you
can
go
on
is
four
miles.
B
But
if
we
add
35
40
more
miles
in
the
next
10
years,
but
we
only
add
it
where
there's
already
existing
infrastructure,
then
we're
going
to
multiply
by
16
the
longest
ride
you
can
take
in
the
city
we're
going
to
go
from
four
miles
of
connected
bikeways
to
70
miles
of
connected
bikeways.
Now
again,
you
may
think
a
70,
that's
not
that
much
well.
The
city
is
20
miles.
B
North
and
south
10
miles
east
and
west,
with
70
miles
of
connected
infrastructure,
you'd
be
able
to
ride
your
bike,
north
and
south,
east
and
west
all
across
the
city.
And
again
we
don't
want
to
force
you
to
do
that.
What
we
want
to
do
is
give
you
the
option
to
get
around
by
bicycle,
and
one
thing
jason
will
point
out
later
is
that
people
are
already
doing
this,
but
they're
taking
some
risk
because
we
don't
have
the
infrastructure
there.
H
Great
thank
you.
So,
yes,
there's
lots
of
benefits.
You
know
for
active
transportation.
Of
course
we're
we're
also
looking
for
how
to
provide
this
for
people
that
currently
need
it
that
currently
use
it
to
get
to
work,
etc,
but
providing
active
transportation
options
such
as
walking
and
bicycling
can
benefit
local
economies
in
a
variety
of
ways.
One
of
those
ways
is,
you
know,
through
property
values,
it
can
increase
the
property
value
and
by
by
doing
so,
also
increase
the
tax
base.
H
H
Since
metro
opened,
it's
a
3.5
mile
trail
since
it
opened
in
uptown,
dallas
property
values
have
climbed
nearly
80
percent
and
it
climbed
up
to
3.4
billion
dollars.
There's
also
been
a
study
done
in
bear
county
where
san
antonio
is
located
and
it
was
published
in
the
journal
of
real
estate.
Finance
and
economics
found
that
homes
near
or
budding
trails
saw
a
two
percent
house
price
premium,
so
that
means
homes
around
trails
or
greenways,
and
house
prices
were
usually
two
percent
more
there's
also
tourism
opportunities.
This
creates
new
opportunities
for
tourism.
H
B
G
H
And
that's
a
great
point
cause
I
was
gonna
mention
that
when
we
go
to
san
antonio
or
austin,
you
know
we
like
going
to
nice
places
where
you
can
walk.
You
know,
go
to
a
restaurant
and
go
shopping
at
a
retail
store
afterwards
and
walking
about
having
a
fine
parking
right
and
have
that
difficulty
so
yeah.
So
there's
a
lot
of
opportunities.
H
It's
been
said
that
bike
friendly
cities
and
towns
are
finding
that
bicycle
facilities,
boost
the
tourism
economy
and
encourage
extended
stakes
and
return
visits.
There's
lots
of
bicycle
related
events.
You
know
that
can
be
done.
For
example,
in
widget
of
falls
texas
each
summer
they
have
an
event,
that's
called
the
hotter
and
hell
100.
So
this
event
is
a
hundred
miles
and
a
hundred
degree
heat
to
celebrate
their
their
hundred
years,
and
this
brings
in
over
ten
thousand
registrants
registrants,
so
just
think
about
what
they
can
do
here
in
laredo.
H
B
H
H
One,
so
I'm
glad
I
did
it
yeah,
that's
what
we're
going
for
so
also
txdot
did
a
study.
Tech
starts
trying
to
do
more
tourism,
also
for
bicyclists,
so
they're,
looking
at
how
to
connect
trails
throughout
the
state,
so
people
can
bicycle
across
the
state
but
they're.
Looking
at
existing
studies
on
the
daily
expenditures
of
bicycle
tourists
and
the
results
from
11
studies
revealed
that
bicycle
tourists
on
average
spend
136
dollars
per
day
that
can
range
from
a
low
of
78
dollars
to
275
dollars
per
day
in
the
cities
they
visit.
H
So
as
we're
mentioning
right
now,
as
mr
mcgee
mentioned,
you
know,
when
you
go
out
of
town,
you
like
going
to
places
that
have
transit,
you
know
walking
to
different
places
to
a
park.
So
that's
something
that
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
come
to
laredo.
We
have
truck
drivers
that
come
to
laredo.
We
have
shoppers
from
mexico
that
are
coming
here
and
we
have
other
people.
You
know
that
visit
here
for
work,
I
mean
I
have
some
anecdotal
stories.
I
can
tell
you
a
lot
of
people.
H
I've
met
that
you
know
are
just
visiting
the
radio
for
work,
but
sometimes
they
don't
know
what
to
do
or
where
to
go.
So
you
provide
these
options.
Even
if
it's
just
for
recreational
purposes,
you
might,
they
might
want
to
come
back.
They
want
to
visit
again
they'll
want
to
bring
their
families,
for
example,
the
shoppers
from
mexico.
You
know
they
can
come
here
to
radio
they
do
their
shopping,
may
go
to
san
antonio
and
come
back,
but
a
lot
of
people
go
to
mcallen.
So
a
lot
of
people
from
torreira
go
to
mcallen.
H
H
It
also
has
quality
quality
of
life
benefits
and
those.
This
will
be
the
last
point
for
the
economic
benefits,
but
it's
been
found
that
active
transportation
systems
foster
economic
health
by
creating
dynamic,
connected
communities
with
a
high
quality
of
life,
that
catalyzes
small
business
development
and
encourages
corporate
investment
that
attracts
a
talented,
highly
educated
workforce.
H
That's
important,
because
if
we
want
to
bring
new
businesses
to
laredo
with
talented
workers,
we
need
to
provide
these
options
because
a
lot
of
the
millennials
and
even
some
general
asian
acts
members
they
like
working
living
near
where
they
work
and
they
like
to
you
know,
commute
to
work
by
bicycle.
I
think
kirby
is
a
great
example
of
that
right.
He
lives
near
our
office
and
he
walks
to
work
and
jason
as
well.
You
know
these
are
younger
people.
H
Currently
I
don't,
but
if
I
had
that
option
you
know,
I
would
definitely
like
it
if
I
could
afford
it
down
here,
that's
an
option
that
I
would
like
so
there's
a
lot
of
this.
It's
a
way
to
really
attract
talent,
to
laredo,
really
good
talent.
You
know
right
now.
I
know
we're
looking
for
planners
and
it's
a
little
bit
more
difficult
to
find
people
from
out
of
town
to
move
to
laredo.
H
So
you
might
be
asking
what
we're
planning
with
all
this,
so
we
actually
have
a
10-year
project
network.
We
have
a
full
proposed
build-out
network.
That's
going
to
span
20
years
right
now,
I'm
just
going
to
focus
on
the
10-year
network,
so
we're
proposing
the
first
10
years.
It's
29
projects
of
on-street
and
off-street
bike
lengths,
and
this
would
equal
about
35
to
40
connected
miles
to
reach
that
goal
of
having
at
least
70
connected
miles
in
the
city
within
10
years.
H
As
you
see
on
the
right,
it's
a
picture
in
san
antonio,
where
it's
a
protected
bike
lane
and
they
installed
these
little
humps
here
that
are
called
armadillos.
Installing
these
armadillos
is
an
inexpensive
method
to
protect
these
bike
lanes
to
come
up
with
a
cost
estimate
for
our
the
10-year
network.
We
looked
at
a
at
a
study
by
txdot
on
the
cost
of
onstreet
and
offshore
bicycle
facilities,
and
we
applied
those
cost
estimates
in
today's
dollars
to
the
proposed
mileage
that
we
have.
H
We
found
for
the
first
29
projects
in
the
10
years
we're
looking
at
a
low
estimate
of
15.9
million
and
a
high
estimate
of
19.2
million,
but
it's
important
to
note
that
we
already
have
about
7.7
million
in
potential
savings
through
other
sources
of
funds.
There
are
seven
projects
that
are
currently
either
they've
gone
out
for
bid
or
they've
been
programmed
in
our
metropolitan
transportation
plan
or
transportation
improvement
program.
One
example
is
that
santa
maria
bike
lane
that's
already
went
out
for
bids.
You
know
and
that's
I
think,
beliefs
being
funded
by
the
city.
H
Then
we
have
another
project
which
is
in
los
angeles.
The
rma
has
proposed
that
and
so
there's
already
funding
available
from
there.
Txdot
also
has
some
projects
in
line
and
then,
like
I
mentioned,
there's
other
projects
that
have
already
been
programmed
in
our
transportation
improvement
program
and
there
are
some
projects
to
extend
some
of
the
existing
trails.
I
believe
environmental
services
has
secured
some
funding
for
that
as
well,
so
we're
looking
at
potentially
7.7
million
savings
already
money,
that's
already
been
allocated
or
programmed
to
start
establishing
some
of
these
projects.
H
So
how
might
we
finance
the
other
projects
that
haven't
been
programmed,
so
we
have
different
strategies?
You
know
that
we've
proposed
in
this
plan.
An
important
part
of
this-
is
that
you
know
these
projects
we
integrate
into
capital
improvement
planning,
that's
important.
You
know
we
have
to
be
strategic
about
this.
Also,
when
there's
you
know
it's
important
for
people
that
are
involved
in
the
capital
improvement
planning
process
to
be
aware
of
this
active
transportation
plan.
H
So
that's
that's
key,
so
there
you're
doing
a
capital
improvement
say
for
a
sidewalk
somewhere,
but
the
atp
also
costs.
The
active
transportation
plan
also
calls
for
a
bike
lane
there.
Well,
let's
make
sure
we
package
that
and
get
it
programmed,
there's
also
an
array
of
grants
that
are
available.
You
know,
there's
state
grants
federal
grants
and
you
know
that's
one
of
the
most
commonly
used
sources
of
funds
for
these
type
of
projects.
H
H
So
that's
something
we
can
consider
doing
not
a
new
sales
tax
range,
just
a
reallocation
of
existing
funds.
I
believe
right
now,
metro
gets
about
a
fourth
towards
in
revenues
for
the
result
from
sales
tax.
So
it's
just
a
way
that
we
could.
We
could
look
at
it.
You
know
look
at
our
current
revenues
from
sales
tax.
I
know
right
now,
with
everything
going
on,
I
mean
might
be
the
most
feasible,
but
it's
something
to
consider
for
the
future.
H
We
can
also
leverage
existing
funds
and
other
grants.
You
know
environmental
services,
you
know,
has
some
grants
for
trails.
The
health
department
receives
grants
also
for
these
type
of
projects
because
of
the
health
component
of
it.
So
we
can
partner
with
them
and
parts
in
iraq
as
well
many
cities
and
in
houston,
they've
done
public
private
partnerships.
You
know,
there's
private
sector
funding
that
is
provided
to
help
fund
these
projects
and
something
that
we're
considering
too
is
naming
rights.
H
B
H
E
We
reviewed
the
key
indicators
and
demand,
and
so
you
can
see
some
of
those
key
indicators
like
socioeconomic.
As
we
all
know,
we
deal
with
poverty,
diabetes,
lack
of
access
to
resources
like
internet
and
as
well
as
transportation
and
infrastructure,
but
we
also
looked
at
the
demand.
You
know,
there's
a
quote
that
I
shared
I
spoke
to
another
mpo
and
they
said
you
can't
measure
the
demand
of
a
bridge
through
the
number
of
people
swimming
across
the
river
and
that's
true.
E
How
are
you
able
to
find
a
baseline
if
we're
not
measuring
for
it
right
now,
and
the
assumption
is
that
people
aren't
writing,
and
so
we
want
to
dive
a
little
bit
further
into
instead
of
just
going
off
of.
What's
the
common
knowledge,
we
want
to
see
what
the
data
says.
So
data
driven
decisions,
so
here
this
is
some
of
the
maps
we
produced.
Just
on
the
demand
side
on
our
bicycle
boardings
on
the
left
map,
you
can
see
their
list.
E
E
If
you
know,
if
those
numbers
weren't
tracked,
people
would
assume
that
people
weren't
using
the
bikes
and
so
accounting
people
that
are
placing
their
bike
on
the
bus
is,
is
a
clear
indicator
of
who's
out
there
and
and
where
they're
riding
to
using
the
routes,
or
at
least
an
estimate
of
where
they're
riding
to
or
from
and
then
on.
The
map
on
the
right
outside.
E
E
I
wanted
to
include
that
it
shows
the
street
connectivity,
it's
it's
street
connectivity
measured
out
on
the
most
access,
and
so,
if
you
see
the
downtown
area
of
laredo
and
nuevo
laredo,
the
grid
system
provides
you
the
most
connectivity
based
on
nodes
and
intersections,
and
that's
you
know,
you
can
see
that
on
a
walk
score,
so
cities
will
do
walks.
Course,
studies
the
higher
the
walk
score,
the
more
desirable
the
neighborhood
is
so
you
can
see.
We
have
the
backbone.
D
E
And
the
average,
where
the
mean
and
the
median
distances
were
between
4.6
miles
for
the
median
and
6.1
miles
for
somebody's
average,
commute
to
work
or
to
school,
and
that
fell
within
the
10
to
13
minute
range.
So
we
don't
have
long
distances
to
drive
and
we're
not
dealing
with
tremendous
traffic.
Why
we
deal
with
the
wait
times
in
traffic
is
because
of
the
higher
dependency
on
automobile
centric
traffic.
You
know
one
person
per
car
traveling
to
similar
destinations.
B
F
Kirby
the
answer
is
no
and
if
I
ride
a
bike,
it's
for
pleasure
and
usually
at
a
at
the
park
that
that
san
diego
park,
but
then
you
got
mixed
in
with
bicycle
and
runners,
so
that's
also
dangerous
to
mixing
bicycle
and
runners
and
walkers
in
one
trail,
and
if
I
had
a
choice
and
I
had
all
those
choices,
I
would
still
choose
to
drive
my
car
to
work.
Do.
B
B
E
I
have
a
few
more
of
the
survey
just
results.
I
want
to
share
with
you
all
on
this
connectivity
map.
We
asked
some
people
if
you
never
ride.
Why
not?
And
so
some
of
the
most
common
answers
were,
I
don't
have
a
bicycle
and
I
don't
know
how
to
ride
one
as
well
as
I
never
ride,
because
it's
dangerous
and
hot
and
the
last
one
was
because
I
never
learned
how
to,
and
so
this
shows
a
lot
of
opportunity
of
why
people
aren't
riding
as
well.
E
As
you
know,
the
potential
to
provide
some
educational
resources
with
this
plan,
the
one
about
weather.
You
know,
people
say,
is
it
too
hot
or
we
ask?
Is
it
too
hot
in
the
summer,
although
most
people
agree
that
it
is
too
hot
during
the
summer
to
ride
the
data
identifies
that
metro
sees
higher
amount
of
bicycle
boardings
during
the
summer
months.
E
Again,
what
we're
saying
is
providing
people
the
option
to
use
a
bicycle
or
get
out
into
their
green
space
and
if
they
need
it,
so
they
could
use
that
facility
to
get
to
work.
We're
not
saying
everybody's
going
to
use
it
to
get
to
work,
but
we're
providing
people
the
option
and
the
opportunity
to
get
out
there
into
their
green
space
and
explore
their
city.
E
And
so
when
we
took
into
all
the
public
engagement
all
the
information,
the
data
you
know,
the
biggest
things
were:
safety
and
connectivity.
People
feared
being
out
there,
either
on
the
trails
or
on
the
road,
because
they
weren't
well
lit,
or
they
were
going
to
be
interfering
with
traffic
as
well
as
connectivity.
They
wanted
to
get
somewhere.
You
know
they
don't
want
to
drive
to
a
park
to
have
to
ride
and
then
drive
back
home.
E
Diverse
spectrum
of
riders
and
transit
users
from
our
heavily
you
know,
engaged
distance
bike,
riders
to
mountain
trail
like
loretta,
lightning
and
as
well
as
people
that
use
transit
because
they
need
to
you
know
they
have
their.
Only
mode
of
getting
around
town
is
through
bus
or
their
own
wheelchair.
So
we're
trying
to
provide
a
transportation
network
that
strengthens
what
we
currently
have,
but
also
provides
new
opportunities
to
the
community
and
not
just
focus
on
roads.
B
B
If
we're
going
to
achieve
this
and
before
I
turn
it
over
for
comments
and
questions,
and
also,
we
would
ask
for
a
positive
recommendation
to
counsel
for
the
adoption
of
this
plan
as
a
as
an
appendix
the
comprehensive
plan.
But
I
just
want
to
say
that
this
was
a
real
team
effort
with
the
community,
with
the
stakeholders,
with
so
many
different
groups
out
there,
and
so
many
different
individuals
who
support
with
the
school
districts
with
with
bike
laredo,
which
is
soon
to
be
our
active
translation
committee.
B
This
represents
a
plan
of
thousands
of
people,
2
000
people
in
the
survey,
but
thousands
of
people
we
engaged
between
the
survey
and
going
out
having
the
planning
nights
and,
and
then
you
look
at
the
previous
plans
that
were
done
on
this
over
20
plans
that
were
done
in
the
city
over
the
years
in
the
1970s
today
again
represents
thousands
and
thousands
of
people's
input
on
this.
This
didn't
come
out
of
nowhere.
B
Let's,
let's
develop
that
expertise
in
the
city.
Let's
get
staff
in
who
can
work
on
these
plans
and
so
we're
not
just
doing
reactive
planning,
which
isn't
planning.
We
can
actually
do
planning
for
the
future
and
that's
exactly
they
took
a
chance.
They
gave
me
funding
and
jason
and
juan
are
direct
results
of
that
of
being
able
to
bring
them
in
and
and
have
long-range
planners
who
are
working
on
these
plans.
B
That
I'll
need
your
support
to
continue
to
do
that,
so
that
we
can
these
issues
that
you
have
about
transportation
and
land
use
in
the
city.
We
want
to
be
able
to
study
them,
for
you
want
to
bring
good
plans
and,
I
believe,
firmly
strongly
the
best
plans
that
we
do
are
plans
that
we
do
ourselves
anyway.
With
that
questions,
comments
on
the
plan
and
when
you're
ready
recommendation
to
adopt
a
recommendation
to
ask
the
city
council
to
adopt
this
plan.
A
A
B
B
A
A
B
Yes,
we
did.
We
definitely
asked
some
demographic
questions
in
the
beginning
of
the
survey
like
how
old
are
you?
How
much
money
is?
Does
your
household
make
so
those
so
that
we
could
kind
of
sparse
it
out
and
say?
Okay,
what
did
these
type
of
people
think
and
one
of
the
big
one
of
the
one
of
the
fascinating
things
was?
B
The
survey
was
that
we,
because
we
asked
questions
like
that,
for
instance,
questions
about
age
questions
about,
do
you
ride
or
don't
write,
we
were
able
to
ask
the
question
we
highlighted
before,
which
was
okay.
Do
you
think
we
should
have
bike
lanes
in
the
city?
Is
that
important
can
we
require
those
on
on
when
we
build
roads?
The
majority
people
said
yes,
but
you're
right.
Maybe
it
was
just
people
that
ride
already
saying
yes,
but
of
the
people
that
didn't
ride.
B
D
B
So
we
asked
all
those
questions:
we've
got
a
sample,
as
you
know,
with
statistics
you
don't
need
to
get
50
in
order
to
get
a
good
sampling.
You
just
need
to
make
sure
you
have
a
good
cross
section
of
the
population
and
we
did
we.
We
reached
all
age
groups
from
young
to
old.
We
reached
all
demographics
in
terms
of
wealth.
Those
are
those
who
are
those
that
are
wealthy.
We
reach
all
those
democrats,
male
and
female.
We
tried
to
get
a
good
cross-section
so
that
we
weren't
just
asking
people
that
agree
with
us.
E
Can
I
can,
I
add,
to
that
sure,
on
that
filtered
question.
Kirby
asked
about
the.
If
I
never
ride
when
we
asked
the
public,
then
we
filtered
those
answers
out
some
of
these
responses
that
the
people
that
don't
ride
and
they
recommended
having
those
buffered
bike
lanes
or
the
protected
bike
lanes.
They
said
it
looks
safer.
They
separate
separating
mode
of
traffic
is
safer.
E
B
A
B
Well,
you
bring
up
a
good
point
and
that
if
we
don't
find
new
sources
of
funding
that
these
funds
obviously
will
be
coming
from
somewhere
else
and
have
we
done
a
specific
cost
benefit
analysis,
not
specifically.
In
that
sense,
we
have
in
that
we're
talking
about
the
returns
that
you
get
on
this
investment
quality
of
life,
the
impact
to
real
estate,
the
impact
to
tourism.
You
know
the
economic
development
factors
are
definitely
there
to
say
that
this
is
something
that
we
should
be
putting
emphasis
on.
B
This
is
a
good
expenditure
of
funds,
but
we're
not
saying
that
this
only
will
come
from
existing.
We
are
looking
at
new
sources
of
funding,
but
we're
also
trying
to
make
the
case
that
that
this
is
a
worthy
expenditure
of,
in
this
case
limited
funds.
We
do
appreciate
that
that
is
a
good
point.
Okay,.
A
F
Yes,
hey
kirby!
I
think
it's
a,
I
think.
It's
a
good
plan.
I
think
it's
a
good
footprint,
a
good
foundation.
I
think
the
question
that
the
chairman
was
asking
about
cost
benefit.
I
think
that
should
be
more
quantity-based.
I
think
quality-based.
I
think
that
once
you,
because
this
plan
is
sections
right-
some
sections
you're
not
going
to
do
the
whole
city-
I
don't
want
them,
that's
impossible.
F
So
I
think,
as
you
implement
some
of
these
these
ideas
and
these
plans,
then
you
can
get
into
the
real
details
of
it,
but
I
think
nothing
like
that
can
move
forward
without
the
basic
foundation.
Is
the
amendment
to
the
comprehensive?
The
appendix
of
the
comprehensive
plan
needs
to
move
forward.
First.
B
F
Yeah
and
all
the
economical
benefits
overall
hypothesis
that
can
be
easily
be
disputed,
so
I
think
we
need
to
when
you
do
those
isolated
studies
and
those
individual
implementation
of
the
projects.
I
think
we
need
to
you
need
to
come
up
with
some
really
hard
numbers.
A
lot
of
the
comments
that
I
heard
from
juan
and
the
benefits
of
it
economically
can
be
easily
be
argued
against.
F
B
Commissioner
join
us,
you
have
some
great
ideas
and
guess
what
a
lot
of
those
are
already
in
the
plan.
We
want
to
do
bike
to
work
day.
That's
something
that
we've
already
that's
something
we're
already
planning
for,
and
we're
very
excited
about
here,
not
only
with
the
city,
but
also
across
the
city.
Many
cities
do.
B
B
So
we
understand
the
concern
and
I
know
it's
a
concern
many
have
and
we
don't
want
to
sacrifice
vehicle
lanes,
and
so
I
hope
that
answers
your
question
there,
but
I
I
I
take
your
comment
as
support
and
I'm
very
I'm
very
grateful
for
your
your
thoughts
and,
if
you
have
more
of
them,
send
them
our
way,
but
we
definitely
want
to
we.
We
definitely
want
to
do
a
bike
to
work
program,
and
maybe
you.
B
E
I
I
I
know
earlier
on.
I
know
you
were
kind
of
asking
us
how
many
the
commissioners
live.
You
know
like
five
miles
from
work
or
how
many
of
us
had
a
how
to
protect
them,
that
we
could
utilize
a
bike,
or
something
like
that.
I
was
just
wondering
in
asking
that
is
that
something
that
was
also
part
of
the
study
like
making
a
study
of
what
jobs
actually
exist.
That
are
tied
into
something
like
this
because,
like
for
my
I
didn't
answer,
not
you
know,
because
in
my
profession
it
it
just.
I
B
Yes,
we
we
definitely
consider
those
who
who
active
translation
is
a
component
of
their
work
and
also
those
that
you
know
can't.
Maybe
because
they're,
like
you
said
you
have
to
drive
around
for
a
lot
of
what
you
do.
But
you
know,
one
of
the
big
things
that
we
pulled
out
from
this
survey
from
the
plan
is
that
in
laredo,
a
big
part
of
active
transportation
is
not
necessarily
getting
around
a
to
b.
B
It's
about
recreation
and
health,
so
even
if
that
was
the
only
reason,
that's
still
a
very,
very
valid
and
important
reason
for
us
to
build
this
infrastructure
and
make
sure
it's
there.
It's
not
necessarily
because
we
want
to
get
people
to
go
grocery
shopping
on
foot
or
on
a
bicycle
or
want
them
to
ride
to
work.
Although
we
get
excited
about
that
as
planners
equally
and
also
very
much
here
in
laredo,
it's
about
exercise,
you
come
home
from
work.
What
do
you
want
to?
Do
you
want
to
sit
in
front
of
the
tv
you
know?
B
Do
you
want
to
go
drive
somewhere?
No,
you
want
to
you
want.
Well,
you
might
also
want
to
do
those
things
but
some
days,
but
we
also
want
to
go
for
a
walk
at
the
slaughter
park
or
you
want
to
go
for
a
bike
ride
north
central
park
or
you
want
to
do
something
active
and
we
want
to
make
sure
we
provide
those
resources.
So
what
we're
recommending
in
the
plan
is
only
partly
on
the
road,
the
other
part
and
a
big
part
of
it
is
using
our
waterways
using
our
off
system
trails.
B
I
That
alone
should
be,
should
merit
the
this
program
in
its
in
itself.
We
need
to
address
that
as
a
community,
especially
here
in
laredo,
where
you
know,
I
don't
have
the
medical
numbers,
but
definitely,
unfortunately,
our
community
does
have
health
issues
that
we
could.
We
could
do
a
better
part
and
well,
you
know.
B
A
Obviously
this
is
one
alternative
to
try
to
reduce
you
know
ridership
on
existing
roads.
However,
as
long
range
planners,
you
also
need
to
look
at
other
alternatives
on.
You
know
a
lot
of
people
here
already
due
to
heat
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
are
going
to
drive
to
work,
because
it's
just
a
more
feasible
thing
to
do.
A
B
There's
some
exciting
things
in
the
future
of
transportation
happening
with
car
shares
and
automated
cars
and
automated
car
lanes
and
there's
there's
some
really
exciting.
Things
happening
we're
on
the
cusp
of
that
and
those
are
definitely
issues
we're
looking
at
the
regional
and
also
the
local
level,
where
we
can
implement,
implement
infrastructure
changes
that
will
make
those
kind
of
technology
changes
more
accessible
here
in
laredo
was
that
where
you
were
going.
A
That
is
partly
where
I'm
going.
I'm
really
going
to
this.
I
think
we
need
to
look
at.
Let's
say
our
northwest
connectors
right
now.
You've
got
interstate
35
and
you've
got
mcpherson,
which
is
another
one
of
your
major
connectors
springfield
to
some
extent,
but
mostly
mcpherson
road,
and
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
mcpherson
road,
and
you
know
the
the
mobility
factor
of
a
roadway
is
only
as
effective
as
the
number
of
stops
that
you
make
on
on
the
road
right
now
at
mcpherson,
you've
got
traffic
lights.
A
I
don't
know
every
probably
1500
linear
feet
if
there
is
a
way
to
study
this,
I
would
like
you
all,
let's
figure
out
a
way
to
make
some
separations
at
these
intersections
within
the
existing
lanes.
I'm
not
talking
about
buying
addition
right
away.
I'm
talking
about.
Let's,
let's
take
a
look
at
you
know.
A
A
lot
of
people
will
tell
you.
Well,
we
can't
build
great
separations.
We
got
to
go
out
and
get
additional
right-of-way,
but
you
can't
you
can't
build
them
with
an
existing
right-of-ways.
It's
just
a
matter
of
being
engineered,
but
I
would
ask
you
to
explore
that
too.
We
have
to
explore
all
avenues,
given
that
we
have
constraints
in
going
north
and
south
right
now
and
there's
not
a
lot
of
solutions
to
it
that
that
we
can
afford.
A
You
know
I
mean
it's
just
cost
prohibited
to
try
to
buy
additional
right
away
to
do
the
right
thing,
but
let's
see
if
we
can
work
within
the
existing
right-of-ways
you've
seen
that
in
many
other
states
in
other
cities,
where
you
work
within
the
existing
right-of-way
and
you
can
get
great
separations
going
in
some
cases,
they've
got
a
freeway
on
a
freeway
and
it's
sitting
on
the
same
footprint.
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
those
things
too.
You
know-
and
you
know
I
mean
I
love
the
long-range
planning.
A
I
mean
I've
always
been
the
person
who
loves.
You
know
making
sure
that
we've
got
something
going
into
the
future,
that
we
can
all
say,
hey
we're
thinking
about
how
we're
going
to
do
this,
and
obviously
the
the
bicycle
situation
is
one.
It's
got
several
components
that
I
think
are
very
critical
to
this
area.
A
Obviously,
health
being
one
of
them,
but
it
is
an
option
like
you
said,
the
generations
that
we're
looking
at
the
younger
generations
are
more
health,
conscious,
they're,
more
adapted,
maybe
they're
closer
to
work,
take
a
bite
to
work
in
the
future,
and
I
think
we
need
to
continue
along
those
paths.
I
don't
think
the
expenditure
they're
proposed
under
this
plan
is
a
big
expenditure
on
a
yearly
basis
to
the
budget.
A
I
think
it's
minimal
expenditure.
I
think
your
council
members
get
more
money
to
spend
on
their
own
projects
in
their
own
council
districts.
So
I
think
it's
a
very
good
thing
for
us
to
go
ahead
and
keep
looking
at
it,
but,
by
the
same
token,
long-range
planners
need
to
look
at
all
alternatives.
Also.
B
Thank
you
yes,
sir,
and
we
definitely
direction
along
the
way
was:
let's
be
conservative.
We'd
rather
be
conservative
in
our
in
our
projections
and
what
we
want
to
accomplish
and
realistic
and
to
be
pie
in
the
sky,
and
it
doesn't
get
achieved.
So
we
really
think
it's
possible
yeah
we're
going
to
be.
This
is
just
the
beginning:
we're
not
going
to
make
this
planet
abandoned.
It
will
be
much
more
income.
A
A
A
B
Yes,
commissioners,
rafa,
you
can
just
look
at
the
counter,
so
you
can
give
me
the
exact
dates,
but
the
the
first,
the
first
planning
commission
in
january
of
2021,
falls
in
such
a
way
that
the
that
it
puts
the
it
puts
the
deadlines
not
only
on
the
engineers
who
are
submitting,
but
also
on
staff.
It
makes
it
very
difficult
for
us,
for
those
that
wish
to
to
you,
know,
spend
the
holidays
with
their.
G
B
Instead
of
at
the
office,
although
if
we
do
end
up
here
at
the
office,
well,
don't
worry,
y'all
will
have
a
lot
of
fun,
but
if
we
give
enough
advanced
warning
to
the
engineers,
then
it's
not
going
to
slow
anything
down.
Engineers
will
either
submit
you
know
they'll
submit
before,
and
it
won't
significantly
impact
the
process
of
review
and
development.
A
B
A
What
I'm
saying
we
eliminate
the
seventh
meeting
and
we'll
just
put
it
on
the
next
meeting
in
january.
That'd
be
correct.
Yes,
yes,
okay,
all
right!
I
have
no
problem
with
that.
Does
anybody
have
any
problem
with
that
with
no
comments?
Hurt
kirby,
I
guess
I'll
agree
with
you.
That's
fine!
Okay!
Thank
you!
We'll
send
it
to.
B
B
Yes,
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
again
to
all
of
you
for
your
service
and
I
also
want
to
say
thanks
to
the
staff,
a
lot
of
hard
work
went
into
the
plan
and
also
we-
I
don't
know
if
you're
aware,
but
we've
had
a
couple
retirements
we
fernando
and
alay,
both
retired
in
the
last
couple
months,
and
so
that's
put
an
extra
burden
on
our
staff,
but
we
have
planning
positions
open.
So
if
you
know
anybody
who
would
love
to
be
a
planner,
please
send
them
our
way.
B
It's
the
the
links
are
up
on
the
city's
website
and
we're
looking
for
good
candidates
and
we're
we're
very
excited
about
the
building
here,
and
I
just
want
to
say
thanks
again
to
planning
commission
for
your
service.
You
don't
get
paid
for
what
you
do.
It
really
does
make
a
difference
and
we
appreciate
it
very
much.