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Planning and Zoning Mtg 120519
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We
have
a
second
second
and
second,
all
those
in
favor
aye
motion
carries.
Thank
you.
The
next
item
is
item
6a,
which
we
have
a
run
of
us.
A
request
to
table
the
item
also
along
the
same
lines,
requests
the
table,
which
is
I,
think
for
tuning
the
same
subdivision.
70
and
7f
can
I
have
a
motion
to
that
effect.
Please
move.
A
Motion
we
have
a
second
second
and
a
second
tumbles
in
favor
aye
aye.
Well,
she
carries.
Thank
you.
Next
item
is
item
7b
preliminary
consideration
of
the
replevin
block
five
lot:
six
and
A
Lot,
seven,
a
and
C
no
plays
a
subdivision
unit
to
a
interlock
five,
a
lot:
six
B
Lot,
seven
B
Block
one
and
single
asset
subdivision.
The
proposed
action
is
approved,
subject
to
the
following
comments
from
planning
and.
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A
All
right,
this
is
from
mondo
Guerra,
representing
premier
engineering,
our
official
notices,
City
area
Planning
and
Zoning
Department,
and
we
concur
with
the
posted
comments
for
the
above
reference
project,
which
is
replant
of
lot
by
lot.
Six,
a
in
Lot,
seven,
a
block
one
and
C
no
placer
subdivision
unit
280
here.
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E
A
D
A
Second,
all
those
in
favor
aye
she
carries.
The
next
item
is
item
7c
preliminary
consideration
of
the
reef
flat
of
a
lot
100
and
luck
1.
What
is
this?
No
120
I'm?
Sorry,
look
three
San
Ysidro
Southwest
at
lacrosse
in
subdivision,
based
one
into
San,
Ysidro,
Southwest
and
they're
crossing
subdivision
phase
3
the
antennas
residential
and
the
proposed
action
is
approved,
subject
to
the
following
comments
from
planning
of
engineering
from
traffic
safety
and
notice
to
development,
from
planning.
B
A
A
The
next
time
we
have
is
item
7d
preliminary
consideration
of
the
plaintiff
side.
You
see
little
north
east
subdivision
phase,
eight
is
in
tennis.
Commercial
proposed
action
is
approved,
subject
to
the
following
comments
from
the
planning
department
from
the
engineering
department
from
traffic
safety
and
a
notice
of
development.
Good.
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A
A
F
Mr.
Hugo
:
senator
of
South
Engineering,
we
greet
Asaf
comments
and
we
just
want
to
add
that
one
of
the
comments
was
to
number
two
from
planning
was
clarify
of
developer
intends
to
place
utilities
in
the
front
of
the
lock
and,
if
necessary,
provide
notice
of
intention
for
saying
yes
starting
to
provide
input.
All.
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A
G
A
E
E
A
A
C
H
H
H
A
Right
now,
I've
got
five
commission
members,
I
hate
that
haven't
indicated
that
they
could
beat
you
on
that
week.
Cuz
I
have
a
vibe
right
now
than
they
could
be,
and
they
can
show
up.
I
say:
let's
do
it,
because
it
just
compounds
your
work
people
and
it
sets
a
notices
back.
It
says:
City,
Council,
motions,
I'm,
happy
thinking.
Is
he
going
to
start
the
year?
I
think
we
should
just
go
on.
The
second
I
mean
everybody's
back
at
work
in
the
second
anyway.
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A
F
H
H
So
what
I'd
like
to
go
over
is
just
a
review
of
our
comprehensive
plan
and
how
this
fits
into
it.
Rico
Laredo,
and
talk
about
what
we're
doing
to
align
the
land
development
code
to
our
comprehensive
plan
and
then
a
discussion.
We
can
get
some
of
your
experience
of
items
that
you've
seen
come
before
you
and
and
what
you
would
like
to
see
in
this
process.
H
So
this
may
be
a
reminder-
or
this
may
be
news
to
some
of
y'all-
that
weren't
familiar
with
the
process,
but
with
recoat
Laredo
we
had
some
of
the
best.
We
had
the
best
input
that
has
ever
been
received
on
any
public
process.
We
had
thousands
of
people
get
involved
in
person
and
online
through
surveys
through
meetings
through
face-to-face
interviews,
a
lot
of
participation,
more
participation
than
we've
ever
had
with
any
anything
else
in
the
city.
H
The
result
of
that
was
viva
la
Rado,
and
there
are
five
big
ideas:
five
big
concepts
that
came
out
of
the
plan
to
create
attractive
and
walkable
destinations
to
make
downtown
an
inner
city.
Great
complete
the
streets,
have
new
and
improved
public
spaces
and
to
be
a
prosperous
but
affordable
city
creating
attractive
and
walkable
destinations,
with
improving
our
our
sidewalks,
improving
our
access
for
pedestrians
for
bicyclists
for
those
that
use
transit.
Those
are
all
things
that
that
are
spoken
about
and
included
in
the
plan
in
viva
Laredo
for
making
downtown
and
inner
city
great.
H
What
does
that
mean?
What
does
great
mean?
It
can
mean
different
things
to
different
people,
but
there
was
definitely
an
emphasis
on
those
urban
areas
in
the
city
that
we
have
and
wanting
to
make
sure
that
those
areas
are
not
neglected,
but
that
are
invested
in
as
we
continue
to
grow
towards
the
edges
of
our
city.
To
also
make
sure
that
we
invest
in
our
inner
city
to
complete
the
streets.
H
Is
to
build
a
road,
that's
accessible
for
all.
Now
some
may
say:
well,
we
don't
have
I,
don't
see
any
bicyclists
out
there.
That
would
not
be
a
valuable
that
where
that
would
not
be
enough
of
a
justification
if
we
want
to
build
streets
so
that
people
can
be
welcome
to
use
it
for
other
modes
of
traffic
because,
like
we
like
we've
learned,
if
you
don't
build
it
to
use
it
safely
and
comfortably
for
other
modes
of
traffic,
they
don't
use
it.
H
So
it
wouldn't
be
a
surprise
that
you
don't
see
bicyclists
down
that
road
or
you
don't
see
pedestrians
using
it
when
we
haven't
designed
it
for
them
new
and
improved
public
spaces.
If
you
think
about
the
places
you
like
to
go
well,
let
me
ask
you
that,
because
this
is
this
is
less
of
a
presentation.
More
of
a
discussion
tell
me
about
some
of
the
public
spaces
in
Laredo
or
outside
of
Laredo,
that
you
really
would
just
pops
in
your
mind,
of
a
great
public
space.
What
do
you
think
of.
H
D
H
Yeah
and
some
of
those
a
lot
of
a
public
space
is
not
something
that's
determined
by
the
government.
It's
not
something
we
have
control
over.
There
is
most
of
the
activity
on
on
a
street
or
in
the
market
is
going
to
occur
because
of
private
interest.
People,
entrepreneurs,
business
owners,
people
that
make
things
happen,
but.
C
H
Public
does
have
a
significant
impact
on
how
that's
laid
out,
and
so
we
do
have
an
impact
over
our
public
spaces.
We
often
don't
think
about
it,
but
our
largest
public
space
by
far,
in
fact,
the
largest,
the
largest
property
owner
in
the
entire
city
by
far,
is
the
city,
especially
when
you
consider
our
roads.
H
And
not
as
many
words
you
said
about
the
the
amount
of
activity
in
this
in
an
area,
so
there
was
a
lot
to
do
it.
Well,
you
could
walk
around
and
there
are
a
lot
of
things
to
see,
rather
than
having
to
go
very
far
for
each
destination,
separated
by
a
lot
of
space.
That,
in
many
ways,
is
controlled
by
the
regulations
that
we
have
for
parking
and
for
spacing
and
lots
and
where
things
can
go
on
lots.
Those
are
all
things
that
regulate
yes,
be.
I
Sure
I
make
a
comment:
I
don't
know
if
everyone
will
agree
with
the
comment,
but
I
think
that
when
the
violence
in
Nova
Laredo
became
so
pronounced
that
people
could
no
longer
do
the
kinds
of
things
that
concern,
but
the
home
was
talking
about
I.
Think
that's
when
Laredo
began
to
think
like
what
can
we
do
in
our
city?
I,
don't
know
I
mean
I.
Wasn't
on
the
city.
I
A
Think
if
you
look
back
to
when
the
city
was
planning
yeah
people
who
pled
it
City
we're
going
back
to
George's
idea,
because
a
plus
a
concept
came
from
Mexico
and
you
noticing
that
planted
the
the
original
City
of
Laredo
just
bless
us
laid
out
now
over
the
course
of
time.
Some
of
those
have
been
absorbed.
I
know
that
the
one
that
it
was
a
puzzle
laid
out
off
of
what's
Clark
Street
and
Springfield,
which
is
now
al
juez
elementary.
That
was
a
plaza
many
years
ago,
I'm
50
60
years
ago.
A
Whatever
it
was
more
and
as
you
see
the
city,
there
are
certain
areas
that
had
plazas
laid
out.
I
mean
you
still
have
something
right
or
you've
got
Jarvis
your
pet
Sonoma
steam
this
one
here,
Bruni
in
Plaza,
Saint
Peters,
so
there's
about
four
I
can't
think
of
any
more
at
all.
But
there
are
some
that,
were
you
know,
part
of
the
planning
processes
way
back
exactly
we
moved
away
from
that
concept
because
developers
not
one
I'm,
going
to
give
you
a
place
where
they
can
make
money.
A
So
what
we
did
is
and
then
then
the
concept
changed
to
the
concept
changed
more
to
well,
we
need
more
than
just
a
plaza.
The
whole
populations
mentality,
changed
plazas
and
the
old
days
were
used
to
go
sit
talk
to
people
meet
people,
it
was
a
more
friendly
pack
environment,
whereas
society
has
evolved,
it's
become
kind
of
violent
and
kind
of
dangerous,
sometimes
to
go
out
at
97
Plaza,
so
the
concept
that
people
then
went
to
as
we
began
development
in
this
community,
which
is
right
after
NAFTA,
wouldn't
have
to
started.
A
They
were
trying
to
do
concepts
like
Plaza
environments,
surrounded
by
little
shops,
surrounded
by
your
neighborhoods,
which
I
thought
was
a
great
idea.
I.
Personally,
that's
my
personal
opinion
on
that.
I
still
think
it's
a
great
idea,
just
like
I,
think
that
when
we're
doing
plants
for
subdivisions
residential
I
still
believe
in
a
grid
system,
I
think
the
grid
system
works
extremely
well
other
than
you
know
we're
using
out,
because
the
grid
system
allows
you
to
walk
everywhere.
Very
quickly-
and
you
have
a
length
say
600.
A
A
So
it
becomes
a
little
bit
tougher
to
go
out
and
say
to
apply
in
the
evening
when
it's
100
and
some
degrees
kind
of
uncomfortable,
because
you
sitting
there
in
your
sling
I
think
the
weather
had
plays
a
lot
into
what
people
feel
as
an
ambience
and
what
makes
you
happy.
Obviously,
you're
not
going
to
be
very
happy
if
you're
out
there
and
you're
drenched,
you
know
so
I
systems
that
can
be
in
place
to
make
the
ambience
and
the
temperature
drop
like
mist
systems
and
stuff
like
that
shades
of
stuff
I.
A
H
Yes,
and
much
of
that
input
is
the
same
input
we
received
through
through
the
process
of
gallery
input
from
citizens
from
all
parts
of
Laredo
and
that's
included
in
the
Viva
Lorado
plan.
Fit
big
idea
that
came
out
of
the
plan
is
that
citizens-
and
these
are
all
things
citizens
together
communicated
in
mass,
and
this
was
one
as
well.
We
want
to
see
all
these
changes.
H
H
H
Again,
they
give
us
a
lot
of
input
during
the
viva
Laredo
plan,
but
we're
getting
more
specific
on
some
of
these
ideas
through
a
survey
that
we
have
out
right
now,
both
languages
we'll
talk
about
that
in
a
second
we've
been
holding
stakeholder
meetings
with
all
those
groups
that
I've
mentioned
before
we're
gonna.
Do
that
again,
we've
been
having
focus
groups
with
those
that
indirectly
deal
with
the
land
development
code.
We've
got
a
website
up,
we've
been.
We
have
a
Facebook
page
for
the
recode
process.
We've
been
posting
on
social
media.
H
This
is
a
screenshot
of
what
the
website
looks
like
easy
to
understand
and
also
bilingual.
So
this
is
the
project
timeline
and
this
timeline,
if
you
want
later
to
come
up
and
I,
can
answer
a
little
more
specifically.
This
is
a
little
more
into
the
details
of
what
we're
doing,
but
we've
had
state
one
process
or
one
element
of
stakeholder
meetings.
We're
gonna
do
that
again.
We've
had
the
focus
groups
of
those
who,
indirectly
are
involved
with
land
development
code.
We've
got
a
bilingual
survey.
H
We're
gonna
have
eight
public
meetings,
large
public
meetings,
one
in
each
district,
that's
going
to
have
in
february/march,
and
we
brought
this
to
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission.
We're
gonna
bring
it
back
two
more
times
as
we
get
further
along
in
the
process.
To
get
your
input
once
we
have
more
details
just
the
first
time
we're
coming
to
get
your
input
present.
C
H
C
H
Making
some
in
some
area
some
small
changes
in
some
areas,
some
very
big
changes,
and
we
do
not
want
that
to
affect
those
whose
livelihood
and
business
and
expectations
and
investment
are
all
tied
up
in
the
way
that
we're
doing
it.
Now
we
want
to
be
very
sensitive
to
that,
so
review
a
little
bit.
What
is
the
land
development
code?
You,
of
course,
this
audience
will
be
very
familiar
with.
It
is
so
I'll
go
through
this
quickly,
but
these
are
the
rules
that
govern
how
things
get
built
and
development
in
the
city.
H
It's
how
you
use
your
property,
it's
the
dimensional
standard,
so
where
you
can
build
on
your
lot,
how
how
you
can
build
it's,
what
can
be
built
in
a
neighborhood?
It's
the
zoning
that
controls
what
uses
get
built
where
it's,
how
the
streets
are
designed,
how
how
wide
they
are,
how
how
much
depth
they
have
to
be.
We
talked
about
that
last
time
with
the
last
meeting
of
the
standards
that
we
have
for
concrete.
H
About
how
how
you
now,
indirectly,
it
also
affects
things
like
your
commute,
it
doesn't
say:
there's
no
online
development
code.
It
says
that
Commissioner
holiday
is
gonna,
have
to
spend
35
minutes
stuck
in
traffic
on
his
way,
or
it
doesn't
say
that,
but
indirectly
it
says
that
when,
when
we
separate
our
uses
so
much
where
people
work
and
where
people
live,
we
make
it
so
difficult
for
somebody
to
build
residential
near
where
people
work
and
shop,
then
we
indirectly
for
the
most
people
we
create
some
of
these
impacts
on
the
community.
H
H
A
A
How
are
we
going
to
be
looking
here
in
land
development
code,
alternative
types
of
housing
and
I'm
talking
about
container
homes,
talk
about
tiny
homes,
I'm
talking
about
things
that
you
know
it's
a
little
bit
out
of
the
norm,
but
I'm
looking
at
it
from
an
economic
point
of
view
for
its
citizens,
I
mean
right
now
your
average
house
is
probably
150,000
and
up-
and
you
know
you
look
at
the
median
income
that
we
have
in
the
community.
It's
a
little
bit
and
I
think
just
depends.
A
I
mean
you
can,
but
the
median
income
in
the
cost
of
housing.
It's
just
in
every
city's
doing
the
same
thing.
You
know
it's
just
not
there
to
where
it's
becoming
affordable
for
people
to
go
ahead
and
become
homeowners
anymore.
A
lot
of
communities
are
going
to
different
alternatives
in
housing.
You're.
H
Absolutely
right-
and
it
was
one
of
the
big
ideas
that
came
out
of
the
comprehensive
plan,
Viva
Laredo,
and
that
is
that
we
want
the
city
to
be
prosperous,
but
one
to
remain
affordable,
and
this
is
one
of
the
direct
ways
that
we
have
an
impact
on
that
is
lot
sizes
and
also
minimum
minimum
size
of
housing
types
you
know
there
are.
There
are
ordinances
in
place
that
impact,
how
small
something
can
be
so
we're
making
the
decision
for
builders
developers
and
ultimately,
consumers,
those
that
would
choose
to
buy
or
rent
a
home.
H
We're
saying
this
is
how
how
much
space
you
have
to
live
in.
So
we
want
to
give
more
flexibility
in
that,
because
preferences
are
changing,
because
the
realities
of
how
much
people
can
afford
changing
yeah.
You
also
have
to
be
sensitive
to
its.
It
is
more
than
just
the
city
that
regulates
that.
A
big
thing
that
we're
seeing
that
you'll,
see
more
of
is
that
people
are
wanting
to
build
townhomes.
H
Now
we
currently
have,
in
our
code
a
a
restriction
on
how
wide
those
townhomes
can
be
and-
and
you
have
seen
developers
coming
in
asking
it
to
be
shorter
or
smaller
and
smaller,
and
the
reason
they
we
got
in
this
situation
recently
where
we
said
well,
have
you
consider
other
options
of
you
know
we're
not
we're
not
against
the
density.
You
know
why?
H
Don't
you
consider
something
where
a
better
arrangement
so
that
you
don't
have
to
have
such
skinny
lots
where
you
have
parking
all
along
the
street
and
the
way
that's
laid
out
is
just
creating
issues
and
their
big
concern
is
well.
We
can
do
that,
but
then
we're
creating
then
we're
not
selling
homes
on
their
own
Lots
and
then
it'll
be
very
difficult
for
people
to
get
financing.
So
it's
it's
more
difficult
to
finance
a
condo
where
you
don't
own
the
proper.
E
C
H
H
E
H
H
A
I
Think
the
only
one
I
have
zoning
to
sort
of
be
able
to
meet
those
five
goals
of
the
complex
like,
in
other
words,
these
particulars,
owning
choices
and
variations
that
are
in
place
to
promote
those
five
goals
of
the
complex
so
certainly
enduring
into
that.
Because
to
me,
that's
like
that's
the
goal
right.
The
goal
is
those
five
points
so
that
you
create
his
own
changes
and
whatever
changes
you
need
building
changes
whatever
be
able
to
make
those.
I
H
The
challenge
to
that
is
when
you
get
on
such
a
fine
grain
level,
down
to
somebody's
proposing
something
and
the
neighbors
come
in
and
complain
and
then
and
then
we
say
you
know,
there's
a
staff
recommendation
because
it
fits
or
doesn't
fit
with
the
future
land
use
map
that
we
may
or
may
not
have
looked
at
recently.
We
may
or
may
not
have
spent
a
lot
of
time
into
analyzing
whether
what
we're
saying
should
go
there
in
the
future.
E
H
I
Understanding
what
people
really
do?
What
is
it
that
they
do?
Well?
How
do
they
spend
their
time
when
they're
not
at
working
and
like
kind
of
figuring
out
like
what
would
be
good
combinations
of
things
to
allow
to
be
within
a
neighborhood?
So
that
again
you
can
go
back
to
the
concept
earlier
of
the
community.
The
plaza
was
the
center
of
the
neighborhood.
You
built
around
the
plaza
this
as
a
center
point.
I
You
know,
and
then
incentivizing
developers
to
you
know
create
like
places
where
they
can
have
space
to
run
for
restaurants
for
bars
or
shopping
for
things
like
that
in
the
plaza
area,
so
that
you
know
like
the
thing
that
makes
me
it
makes
me
think,
was
like
whoa
you're
gone
in
Mexico
City.
You
know
it's
like
or
really
any
city
in
Mexico
that
has
a
Sao
Paulo.
You
know
it's
like
you
have
this.
I
You
have
right
in
the
middle
of
the
plaza,
and
then
you
have
the
Sao
Paulo,
which
it's
got,
restaurants
and
bars,
and
you
know,
and
then
and
and
then
the
neighborhood
is
around
that
yeah.
So
people
can
walk
to
those
places.
You
know
so.
I
think
it's
like
kind
of
envisioning
like
that,
like
how
do
you
do
that.
D
Me
make
a
comment:
yes,
sir,
and
it's
I
just
think
that
whatever
it
is
that
we
do
shouldn't
be
injuring
the
property
value
of
people,
okay,
so
as
we're
talking
about
what
we'd
like
to
see
and
whether
we
change
zonings
for
whatever
to
be
more
realistic,
if
it's
injury,
because
people
bought
property
based
on
a
plan
that
they
were
bought
into
and
also-
and
we
just
decide-
well,
you
know
we're
going
to
change.
It
then
I
think
that
that
the
text
that
the
city
government
should
look
into
buying
that
property
I'm.
D
Just
remember
that
you
know
we
do
we
hear
this
with
the
residents
and
we're
here
thinking
away.
This
is
progress.
This
is
these
are
quality
companies,
or
this
is
realistic
where
this
is
just
common
sense,
okay,
but
there
should
be
some
analysis
to
the
if
there's
an
injury
to
the
value
of
the
current
view
of
the
residents
nearby.
Yes,.
H
H
Only
two
things
I
would
say
to
that
and
I
would
say
one.
The
first
most
important
is
there's
value
and
then
there's
perceived
value
and,
of
course,
on
some
level.
All
values
what's
perceived
right,
because
what
something's
worth
is
what
someone
will
pay
for
it
right.
That's
somebody's
individual
perception,
the
person
that's
paying,
but
what
I
mean
when
I
say
perception
versus
value
is
a
lot
of
times.
People
will
say:
oh
you're,
building
something
next
to
me
or
close
to
me,
and
you
often
hear
this
will
they'll
say
that
thing's
gonna
hurt
my
property
value.
H
D
H
D
C
D
I
But
I
think
it's
also
like
creating
like
environment
if
I'm
in
the
real
estate,
business,
I,
search
the
business
or
the
development
business
like.
How
can
you
okay
so
now
you've
got
those
plans.
You
want
us
to
create
a
new
city
or
develop
the
city
in
a
certain
action,
create
incentives
for
developers
to
do
that
to
say
you
know
what
now
I
have
new
choices
that
I
can
use
on
this
property.
I
That
can
I
can
make
more
money
here,
but
I'm
going
to
make
more
money
if
I
use
one
of
the
concepts
of
the
comp
plan
in
my
building
design,
that's
what
we
need
to
do
because
and
that's
what
people
are
gonna
do
and
I
also
think
that
why
not
like,
why
can't
we
just
take
like
the
model
city
that
has
done
it
like?
We
pick
a
city
that
has
similar
characteristics
to
our
city.
That
has
done
this
well
yeah
and
then
just
say
like.
Why?
H
B
D
H
D
Here
yeah,
so
we're
not
we're
not
a
destination
city
anymore.
There
was
in
smoke
ever
since
we've
been
cut
off
from
mobile
rate,
and
so,
when
you
were
doing
this,
we're
talking
about
quality
of
life
for
a
recipe.
That's
valuable,
but
just
keep
keep
in
mind,
though
everything
you're
saying
is,
is
an
excellent
okay.
I'm,
not
say
anything
negative
about
it.
I'm
really
say:
I'm
merely
asking
you
to
keep
keep
in
mind
a
component
that
makes
it
a
destination
city.
D
D
C
A
Got
the
creek
that
you
can
develop
into
something
very
nice
I
mean
use
a
series
of
weirds
I
mean
up
the
creek
with
that
yeah
and
then
do
a
concept.
You
know
that
was
a
plan
that
we
had
20
years
ago.
It
hasn't
taken
off
it
started
with
a
linear
park
on
it
to
get
it
going
you
up
with
the
duck
the
cabin.
H
A
We
were
thinking
more
in
terms
of
an
economic
development
tool.
To
be
honest
with
you,
we
were
thinking
of
changing
the
quote:
the
neighborhood's
they're
old,
decaying,
neighborhoods
and
and
kind
of
bringing
gentrification
by
restaurants
little
cafes.
Now
that
you
have
an
ambiance
of
water,
you
know
two
or
three
feet
deep,
but
it
changes
or
maybe
more
where
you
could
have
different
activities
where
people
can
do
battle
modes,
bicycling,
cycling,
battle,
boats,
different
yeah,
you
put
a
little
area
where
people
can
just.
B
E
C
A
Right,
I'm
talking
about
a
larger
scale,
exactly
yeah
I
mean
things
like
that,
because
you
know
I
think
we're
all
pretty
much
realized
that
we
to
be
a
destination
city.
People
would
come
through
that
they'll
stay
here
to
go
to
Mexico
I
mean
that
was
a
big
thing.
You
know:
charter
buses,
the
people
showing
up
in
that
area
to
go
chopping
fun
weekend
buy
their
drugs.
You
know-
and
you
know,
whatever
that's
gone
away
totally.
I,
don't
think
we're
gonna
get
that
back
and
I
don't
know
well.
E
A
I
think
that
some
concepts
that
need
to
be
looked
at
Kirby
I
think
at
one
time
we
looked
at
the
Mercado
concept
from
normal.
Are
they
able
to
set
it
up
on
some
Bernardo,
a
venir,
some
Bernardo,
because
there's
already
a
lot
of
shops
at
it
sell
you
know
Mexican
pottery
Mexican
things,
but
it
needs
more
enhancement.
It
needs
a
place
where
people
can
go,
I
mean
they're
trying
their
best,
but
there's
no
unified
effort
from
the
government
to
try
to
enhance
that
area.
E
It's
gonna
cost
me
another
$2
square
foot
just
to
get
up
to
buildable
standards,
because
I'm
in
that
Plesac
flood
zone
and
then
have
to
apply
myself
the
private
law
as
a
private
individual
to
FEMA
to
get
that
lower
siren
at
the
paper
of
insurance,
because
it's
always
going
to
be
financed,
leveraged
right
to
do
a
middle
dollar
project
so
that
deterred
actually
us
from
buying
the
property.
Well,
I
know
that
they
were
in
that
area.
The
jackman
area.
E
There
was
a
study
done
and
I
know
the
city
would
have
followed
through
that
study
and
submitted
all
the
paperwork
to
FEMA.
Then
it
would
have
took
him
out
a
whole
bunch
of
commercial
properties
out
of
that
flood
zone.
What
does
that
do
as
a
timber
as
an
as
an
investor
you
go
in
there
and
say
now:
I
could
buy
the
properties
they
can't
afford
and
icky
cashflow.
A
H
H
A
H
I
I
will
say
that
I
have
seen
it
changed
because
when
they
first
opened,
the
corn
I
can
bike
trail,
which
is
in
South
Florida.
There
was
very
few
people
that
were
on
it
and
now
that
you
go
it's
a
lot
of
people
use
it
and
so
make
you
I
think
like
like,
like
we
wouldn't
build
something
you
create
the
opportunity
for
people
to
do
something.
You
know,
then
they
will
they
will.
It
will
grow
like,
for
instance,
one
things
to
incentivize.
I
E
A
H
A
That's
a
very
important
thing
that
we
need
to
address.
I.
Think
housing
options
in
the
community
is
something
we
really
need
to
study.
I
mean
I
I,
don't
think
any
one
person
here
can
give
you
an
answer,
but
I
think
we
do
need
to
look
at
if
there's
models
in
other
areas
in
other
cities
of
what
they've
done
like
I
said.
There's
a
lot
of
areas
now:
West
Coast,
for
example,
they've
got
lots
of
his
container
homes,
which
is
tiny
home.
A
You
know
he's
full
set
it
down
and
that
seems
to
be
working
up
newest
coast
because
you
know
West,
Coast
housing
costs
run
you
on
the
cheap
and
700,000
to
get
started
so
they're
gone
to
concept
for
the
hourly
employees
who
really
need
a
place
there
even
rents
up
there.
You
know
3000
4000
5000
dollars
a
month,
so
they're
come
up
with
some
of
these
kind
of
concepts.
A
That
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
I,
don't
know
I
mean
we
need
to
look
at
all
different
things,
because
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
to
understand
is
that
we're
gonna
continue
growing.
But
yet
our
employment
base
is
not
high-tech.
It's
not
high
salaries,
so
you're
gonna
have
a
lot
of
cool
people
that
are
your
hourly
employees,
gonna,
be
making,
probably
maybe
slightly
above
minimum
or
minimum
or
whatever.
That
number
is
they'd,
also
going
to
need
a
place
to
live
now.
A
One
of
two
things
can
happen:
most
of
them
are
gonna
rent
because,
obviously
that's
all
we
can
afford
to
do,
but
you're
also
going
to
have
a
population
that
can
maybe
afford
to
move
from
rental
to
a
house.
The
thing
is,
it's
a
cost
factor
and
the
cost
factor
is
determined
by
size
across
the
land.
Also
infrastructure,
there's
a
lot
of
factors
that
needs
to
be
looked
at.
How
can
something
be
constructed
and
still
make
it
profitable
for
whoever's
developing
that
project?
H
With
housing
options,
I
mean
we've
talked
about
one
and
that's
the
private
market
and
how
you
find
it
that's
pretty
good,
but
on
the
public
side,
I
think
one
of
the
biggest
challenges
we
run
into
is:
how
do
we
regulate
parking
when
we
go
to
denser
when
we
go
to
when
we
allow
for
denser
development?
That
seems
to
be
often
the
biggest
challenges.
How
do
we
handle
the
parking,
any
thoughts
on
how
we
regulate
apartment.
E
E
H
So
good
specific
part
of
the
city
where
there
is
an
issue
with
marking
it,
as
somebody
who
lives
in
on
the
street
where
I
have
LASD
the
employees
parking
in
front
of
my
house
every
day,
because
it's
not
me
or
Who
I
am
I
can
understand
that
problem.
But
when
we're
talking
about
townhome
development,
we
don't
see
that
coming
in
our
downtown.
We
see
it
coming
in
everywhere
in
the
city,
but
particularly
in
areas
that
are
not
walkable
and
then
the
question
becomes.
H
A
Know
one
of
the
things
that
you
can
look
at
is:
is
the
municipal
housing
for
more
air
force
base
housing
concepts
they
used,
which
was
housing
built
around
parking
right
in
the
middle
everybody
parks
in
the
middle,
just
walk
to
their
house
concept,
it
pretty
successful
down
there
I
mean
that's
something
to
look
at
I
mean
obviously
it's
cost,
but
everything
can
be
factored
in,
but
that's
one
way
to
look
at
it.
It's
more
like
okay,
everybody
has
centralized
parking
right
here.
You
get
off
the
streets,
good.
D
Ultimately,
you
should
bring
us
these
ideas
and
then
we
discuss
them.
You
could
give
us
a
questionnaire,
maybe
you
didn't
I,
don't
remember,
and
we
can
then
fill
out
our
thoughts.
We
need
to
incorporate
in
your
recommendations
but
I'm,
not
educating.
This
I
can
tell
you
that
if
you're
gonna,
you're
gonna
make
spotter
homes
in
debt
and
in
the
denser
area
and
push
everybody
out
of
the
street
well,
the
street
needs
to
be
wider.
You
know
you
can't
I.
Have
it
one
way.
D
C
H
E
Of
Isis,
construct
and
Sarah
is
investment
so,
and
how
do
you
incentivize
investment,
just
lower
your
taxes,
give
tax
abatement
deals
or
something
make
also
make
investments
and
spur
the
development
by
the
investments
you
make
like
you,
pay
for
the
roads
and
make
the
road?
That's
good,
that
that
would
you
focus
on
an
end?
Investment
come
yeah
had
a
cheaper
rate
because
we
could
afford
an
investor.
I
A
comment
about
that,
yes,
I,
think
when
I
saw
the
comp
plan
in
1990,
something
whenever
it
was
written,
they
were
the
first
one
or
the
prior
one.
You
know
the
key
thing
that
it
said
is
it
said
you
know
you
need
to
have
community
buy-in
to
make
the
compound
work.
That
plan
work
and
I
just
feel
like
we
have
a
city
that
does
not
do
a
good
job
of
engaging
citizens.
I
You
know,
like
friends
like
you
all
are
gonna.
Go,
let's
say
you
do
this.
Take
this
presentation
to
South
Laredo,
for
instance,
I
mean
what
thought
are
you
guys
gonna
put
about
that
in
how
to
best
deliver
that
message
to
that
community?
You
know
and
how
to
really
engage
that
community.
You
know
because
I
think
that
they're
not
used
to
being
engaged
at
all
by
the
city.
You
know
it's
like.
I
We
have
a
public
meeting
and
then
the
only
people
that
show
up
are
the
people
that
have
an
interest
in
whatever
the
outcome
is
going
to
be
and
they're
not
used
to
coming
to
the
public
meetings.
You
know
so
my
point.
My
only
comment
to
you
is
what
I
really
think
is
if
you're
really
gonna
be
sincere
about
community
amenities
like
it
can't
just
be
the
same
200
people
that
always
you
who
you
always
listen
to
you
know
I
mean
it's
got
to
be
the
people
that
actually
really
gonna
live
in
those
communities.
I
agree.
H
Today,
I
had
a
meeting
with
those
of
us
that
are
working
on
this
project
and
also
a
city
staff
from
other
departments
from
library
department
from
Parks
and
Rec,
so
that
we
could
talk
about
the
best
time
of
day
the
best
advanced
attractions.
We
can
have
an
events,
food
entertainment,
that
we
can
have
it
events
to
get
people
in
that
are
not
your
typical
people.
C
H
That's
on
the
table,
we
working
it's
Saturdays
and
Sundays.
That
would
be
more
difficult
for
staff,
but
for
me,
I,
don't
care
I
want
to
get
the
best
results
for
getting
the
most
people
and
people
that
don't
typically
get
an
opportunity.
We
want
to
reach
everyone,
particularly
those
that
are
younger,
not
that
their
voice
is
more
important,
but
that
they're
gonna
be
this.
Is
there
gonna
be
potentially
their
City
for
a
lot
longer
as
they
live
in
growth?
Do.
E
D
I
It
I
also
think
it's
really
important
to
engage
the
school
districts
like
they're,
saying,
like
that's
very
important,
because
you
know
and
going
back
to
when
your
fundamental
questions,
you
know
how
do
you,
how
do
you
make
cities
great
right?
I
mean
people
are
attracted
to
school
cities
that
have
really
good
school
districts.
Where
we're
you
know
like
if
you,
if
you're
gonna,
if
the
city
is
gonna,
try
to
attract
a
company
to
open
up
an
office
here
or
finally
go
to
the
to
all
of
those.
I
I
H
Involving
the
school
districts
from
day,
one
in
this
process
making
sure
they're
part
of
the
states
part
of
the
focus
group
meetings
and
involved,
know
about
the
meetings
that
we're
doing
and
and
on
a
separate
level.
We're
actually
started
meeting
with
the
school
districts,
those
that
build
and
develop
schools.
The
administration
that's
focused
on
that,
so
we
can
be
a
resource
to
them
when
they're,
locating
schools
and
and
they're.
I
You
know
you
know
it's.
One
thing
you
might
consider
doing
is
doing
like
a
shared
services
summit
where
you,
where
you
bring
the
school
districts
and
the
county
and
the
city
together
and
say:
okay
like
in
this
neighborhood,
like,
for
instance,
I'll.
Give
you
a
great
example.
The
Haynes
rec
center
goes
like
right
next
to
ghost
town
right,
it's
closed
on
Saturdays
and
Sundays
right,
it's
open
during
the
week,
but
it's
closed
on
Saturdays
and
Sundays.
That
doesn't
make
any
sense.
It's
for
children.
I
I
The
little
kids
right
well
so,
but
that's
the
whole
point
is
when
you
have
a
shared
services
summit
right
you.
What
you
do.
Is
you
say?
Okay,
how
are
we
being
strategic,
for
instance,
school
districts?
We
don't
have
books
doors
in
Laredo.
Well,
we
only
have
one
or
two
bookstores
in
Laredo
right,
I'm,
Jason,
three.
Okay,
we
have
suna
b3
right.
Why
not
ask
the
school
district
to
open
up
the
library
on
a
Friday
or
Saturday,
so
you
can
have
like
a
Barnes,
&,
Noble
type
experience
in
those
neighborhoods.
H
C
E
H
Is
just
okay
that
okay,
what
else
and
a
few
other
questions
that
we
can
pull
from,
but
but
I'll
just
say
in
general,
your
experience
as
a
commissioner?
What
are
some
things?
You
see
repeatedly
come
up
that
you
thought
you
know
I
wish
I
wish
our
rules
were
a
little
bit
different
on
this.
Is
there
something
that
jumps
out?
You
have
more
opportunity
in
the
future
to
think
about,
I
think
what.
A
Jumps
out
at
me,
I'll
tell
you
very
quickly-
is
the
way
a
comprehensive
plan.
The
land
use
was
developed,
sometimes
the
way
that
somebody
developed
the
land
use
it's
contrary
to.
What's
close
to
that
area
or
the
way
it
should
develop
practice
I
mean
we
had
that
example
where
they
had
residential
were
mostly
is
commercial.
A
That's
one
of
the
things
that
jumps
out
at
me
right
now:
okay,
before
the
staff,
my
ordinance
has
to
go
ahead,
say
well,
you
know
we're
against
this,
even
though
we
think
it's
a
great
project,
but
we
can't
really
help
you.
That's
one
thing
that
jumps
out
at
me
right
now:
we've
seen
that
time
and
time
again
at
least
I've
seen
it
time
and
time
again
on
the
Commission
level.
That's
one
thing
which
I'm
so
happy.
H
I
I
also
feel
like
we
spent
all
this
time
on
the
comp
plan
and,
like
you
know,
I
went
to
some
of
the
meetings
too
and
I
don't
feel
like
we're
at
a
point
where
we're
saying,
okay
and
this
part
of
the
city-
here's
a
development,
that's
driven
by
the
comp
plan,
ideals
and
it's
gonna,
be
a
transformational
thing
in
that
neighborhood
or
in
that
part
of
the
city,
and
this
other
project
over
here
is
gonna,
transform
downtown
and
this
other
project
over
here's
gonna.
Do
this
other
thing
that
were
like
I?
Don't
see
that
you.
E
Know
because,
because
I
think
what
Commissioner
of
vib
under
the
chairman,
the
idea
that
men
shall
walk
back,
we
should
have
focused
more
on
doing
the
changing
the
future
land
use
map.
First,
before
we
got
into
the
conflict,
we
put
certain
steps
ahead
of
it
because
the
future
land
use
map
is
outdated
and
that
one
is
more
critical
was
more
critical
to
be
done
first
and
then
the
comp
plan,
because
you
still
have
the
issue
that
he's
talking
about.
F
H
The
other
thing
that,
if
I
may
this
process
is
something
that's
gonna
take
a
long
time.
We're
start
early,
we're
starting
this
winter.
The
process
of
updating
our
land
use
map
and
that
will
be
finished
before
this
is
finished,
so
we're
gonna
have
those
public
meetings
that
we're
gonna
have
in
February
and
March
are
gonna
include
the
opportunity
to
come
and
participate
in
looking
at
the
future
use
map
as
well
and
other
aspect,
the
active
transportation
plan,
so
that
process
will
be
finished
before
this
is
okay.
A
Because
I
think
give
the
thing
that
goes
hand-in-hand
right
now
is
you
know
most
cities
grow
north
and
you
as
a
planner,
know
that
if
we're
going
north
we
only
have
interstate
35
1-norm
McPherson
the
loop
three
arterials
going
north.
If
you
take
McPherson,
you
had
a
series
of
stoplights
to
get
to
where
you
point
we're
not
addressing
mobility
on
McPherson
and
what
I'm
talking
about
is
in
other
and
I'm.
Guess:
I'm
going
to
go
back
to
the
west
coast
in
the
west
coast.
A
What
they
have
done
is
they've
built
and
even
in
San
Antonio,
certain
portions.
They
build
a
road
on
top
of
a
road
where,
if
you
just
want
to
go
a
straight
shot,
you
get
on
that.
What
I'm
saying
is
use
the
same
footprint
or
you
have
intersections
that
have
stoplights
low-speed
30
mile
an
hour.
You
know
great
separations
to
get
traffic
moving.
We
need
to
start
looking
at
that
right
now,
because
we
don't
have
options.
You're
not
going
to
be
able
to
buy
right
away.
I
mean
those
are
very
expensive
corners.
A
H
To
that
is
that
when
we
talk
about
where
we
spend
our
money,
that
when
we
talk
about
making
it
easier
to
get
to
the
farther
parts
away
from
the
center
of
our
city,
what
we're
doing
is
encouraging
additional
sprawl
by
spending.
What
we're
incentive
izing
is
for
making
it
easier
with
people's
time
to
get
farther
and
farther
away
from
the
city.
So.
A
But
it
is
the
balance,
I
think
it's
something
and
I
agree.
It's
a
balance
right
now.
You
do
have
maximum
congestion
on,
let's
say
McPherson,
which
is
the
main
artery
and
that
can
go
on
of
several
of
the
main
arteries.
It
also
going
to
be
look
neat
to
be
looked
at,
I
mean,
obviously,
as
the
city
continues
to
grow,
East,
Jack
and
there's
going
to
be
one
of
the
arteries.
It's
have
to
be
looked
at
and
there's
others,
but
I,
don't
think
anybody's
really,
and
maybe
it's
used,
maybe
you're
stepping
up.
A
This
is
you
know,
it's
gonna,
take
some
time
and
and
that's
something
that
we
really
need
to
start
moving
on
like
ma,
because
even
if
we
start
figuring
out
what
we
can
do,
what
cost
factors
are
where
we
get
the
ponds
and
stuff
you're
looking
at
a
ten-year
project
or
better
and
that's
one,
the
second
one,
obviously
too,
is
we're
not
really
focusing
in
and
I
realized
we're
talking
to
only
some
tricky
land
development
codes
here,
but
in
planning.
One
of
the
biggest
things
that
we
have
to
keep
into
consideration
is
okay.
A
A
You
drive
35
now
and
you
got
pretty
good
congestion,
so
we
need
to
start
planning
to
make
sure
that
that
congestion
has
a
plan
or
it's
going
to
have
additional
lanes
for
solutions.
There's
things
have
you
gone
east
and
look
at
okay.
If
we're
gonna
be
accidents
in
our
ports,
we
also
and
I
know
that
there's
talk,
there's
been
talk,
talk
talk,
I,
69,
Paul,
it's
been
is
a
sign
that
says
this
is
gonna,
be
a
future
I-69.
No.
A
What
it
is
is
if
there
is
no
construction.
Construction
in
terms
of
white
I
mean
things
it.
If
we
plan
to
continue
growing
as
a
city,
we
need
to
really
focus
on
the
aspects
of
the
businesses,
because
that's
what's
going
to
drive
industry
that
our
major
industry
is
going
to
drive
additional
housing
and
additional
everything
wages,
wait.
H
Journals
and
all
the
issues
brought
up
are
our.
We
have
plans
looking
at
infrastructure
for
our
transportation,
as
especially
for
our
logistics
to
get
frightened
in
and
out
of
the
city.
We
are
NPR.
Our
metropolitan
planning
organization
has
to
have
all
those
plans
in
place.
Often
the
biggest
constraint
is
always
funding.
It's
a
limited
funding,
but.
E
The
thing
is,
though,
what
he's
bringing
up
is
our
biggest
private
employer
sector
is
logistics
industry.
That's
it
all.
We
have
is
a
federal
government,
school
districts
and
logistics
industry.
That's
really
our
industries
in
this
town
and
we're
not
the
city
is
not
using
its
own
money
and
then
you're
getting
more
money
to
help
that
industry
we've
never
done
anything.
We
really
haven't
done
much
the
I-69
them
mister
really
I
was
talking
about.
E
A
D
A
Again,
it's
like
Kirby
says
it
seems
like
the
money's
never
get
down
here,
but
you
know
the
money's
always
go
to
and
every
there's
a
point
on.
We're
determines
funding
state
level
and
obviously
trips
generations,
congestion
time
that
it
takes
you
to
travel,
there's
a
lot
of
factors
you're
going
to,
but
we
met
that
snap
they're
gonna
get
into
that
at
all.
It's.
A
H
I
A
favor
in
your
next
presentation
can
you
bring
some
examples
of
other
cities
that
adopted
a
comp
plan
Chito,
and
then
something
happened
with
that
and
that
that
bet
the
city
now
enjoys.
So
we
can
see
what
that
process
was
yeah.
Here's
context,
no,
because
I
want
the
public
to
hear
it
in
the
public.
H
February
at
the
Royal
College
we're
gonna,
have
gentlemen
at
Kazi
come
again
how
many
of
y'all
were
able
to
attend
the
last
time
he
came
down?
Who
is
that
please,
Dominic
Ozzie
is
have
a
renowned
jogger,
geographer
planner
that
he's
taking
our
data
are
looking
at
at
land
values,
looking
at
taxable
values
looking
at
appraised
values
and
comparing
those
to
where
they
are
in
the
city
and
where
investment
is
made
to
show
you
bang
for
your
buck.
Where
is
where?
Is
the
city
make
its
most
money
in
terms
of
taxable
value
out?
A
Woman
a
depends
on
something
then
where's
the
biggest
impact.
That's
very
critical,
because
if
we're
looking
at
hip
revitalization
at
Downtown
and
putting
money
into
an
area,
we
need
to
look
at
a
business
plan
there
and
say
you
know
if
I'm
going
to
spend
X
number
of
dollars
in
an
area
to
try
to
revive
it
who's.
My
customer,
the
customer
downtown,
was
pedestrian
traffic
coming
from
Mexico,
that's
gone,
it's
gone
for
two
reasons.
A
H
H
Crowd
than
we
typically
have
we're,
gonna
make
it
so
it's
less
of
a
public
meeting.
You
gotta
sit
and
listen
and
more
of
something
interactive
with
with
something
for
your
kids
to
do.
We're
gonna
have
that
it
mostly
libraries
and
the
rec
centers,
but
also
maybe
at
a
school
or
two
and
we're
looking
at
different
times.
Maybe
Wednesday's,
maybe
also
will
look
at
weekends.
We're
gonna
have
additional
stakeholder
meetings
over
the
spring
and
summer
and
then
additional
Commission
and
council
meetings.