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Planning and Zoning Committee Meeting 121720
A
A
D
A
It
all
those
who
wish
to
vote
against
the
motion
signify
by
saying
aye.
A
Motion
carries
all
right.
We
now
have
the
consideration
of
the
approval
of
the
minutes
of
december.
The
third
I
move
to
a
peru
motion
by
mr
lavalina.
Do
we
have
a
second
second
dominguez
dominguez
seconds,
all
those
who
are
not
in
favor
of
the
motion
signify
by
saying
aye,
none
heard
motion
carries
next
item
that
we
have
is
citizens
comments
and
we'll
give
citizens
a
minute
or
two
to
see
if
they're
on
the
line.
E
Thank
you,
sir,
just
as
a
reminder
for
commissioners
and
also
for
anybody
who
may
be
watching
in
the
general
public.
There
is
a
delay
from
what,
from
our
discussion
and
and
the
broadcast
on
swaggett
and
on
spectrum
channel
1300
it's
about
a
30
second
to
one
minute
delay,
so
we
do
want
to
give
them
time,
but
also
recognize
if
you
are
calling
in
tonight
that
you
might
want
to
turn
down
here
if
you're
watching
it.
So
there
isn't
a
feedback,
loop
and
everybody's
getting
really
good
at
muting
themselves.
E
A
Very
good,
thank
you.
So
the
next
item
that
we
have
is
public
hearings
and
recommendations
of
an
ordinance
first,
one
that
we
have
for
public
hearing
is
amending
the
zoning
ordinance
of
the
city
of
laredo
by
authorizing
the
issue
as
a
special
use
permit
for
a
restaurant
selling
alcohol
on
lots,
10,
11
and
12
block
891
eastern
division.
A
E
All
right,
the
applicant
is
rebecca,
geisler
who's,
the
owner
and
eduardo,
and
anna
cecilia
medina
are
the
applicants.
The
property,
as
you
mentioned,
is
located
at
1618,
1620
chihuahua
street,
as
well
as
1720
chihuahua
street
for
additional
parking.
The
request
is
a
special
use
permit
for
a
restaurant
serving
alcohol.
They
can
have
a
restaurant
here,
but
to
serve
alcohol.
They
have
to
get
a
special
use.
Permit.
E
E
And
here
is
a
street
view
of
one
of
the
of
the
parking
lot
on
the
main
lot.
E
E
Next
use
staff
does
not
support
the
request
for
the
zone
change
and
the
issue
is
really
centered
around
that
parking,
and
there
is
a
way
we've
advised
the
applicant
there's
a
way
that
they
get
our
positive
recommendation
that
we
have
heard
from
those
in
the
past
and
we've
we've
looked
at
the
history
of
this
with
complaints,
and
there
have
been
complaints
in
the
past
related
to
parking
and
also
some
other
issues.
E
But
the
parking
is
what
we're
concerned
about,
because
there
is
parking
in
the
area
and
they
could
get
an
agreement
from
a
neighboring
property
owner,
and
the
problem
in
the
past
was
that
the
neighboring
property
owners,
their
parking,
was
being
utilized
for
this
restaurant
and
and
and
so
we
would.
We
would
ask
that
that
relationship
be
formalized
that
they
get
enough
parking.
They
need
22
and
they
have
24
spaces,
but
that's
for
everything
being
used
on
all
those
lots,
and
so
it's
just
not
enough.
E
If
for
the
additional
use
of
the
restaurant,
especially
with
restaurants,
serving
alcohol
students
have
later
hours.
If
you
decide
as
a
commission,
you
want
to
move
forward
with
this,
then
we
would
recommend
the
following
conditions
be
applied
to
this
special
use:
permit
and
they're
they're
the
standard
ones
that
we
apply
to
restaurant
serving
alcohol.
That
you've
seen
before
this
is
the
proposed
motion
to
recommend
approval
or
denial,
and
the
number
for
the
public
to
call
in
to
provide
comment.
A
E
Yes,
sir,
this
this
is
typical.
We
issue
the
special.
F
B
Mr,
mr
chairman,
for
the
record
we
do
have
miss
rebecca
geisler
on
the
line
for
any
questions
and
to
address
the
commission
all
right
go
ahead.
Ms
keisler.
G
Hi,
my
name
is
rebecca
geisler
for
the
record,
and
I
know
I
just
wanted
to
state
that
the
restaurant
would
be
working
after
our
clothing
hours
of
the
other
businesses
on
the
property.
So
the
parking
will
pretty
much
be
empty
because
the
other
businesses
won't
be
operating
the
same
hours
as
the
restaurant.
G
Also,
I
would
also
like
to
let
the
commission
know
that
we
never
had
a
problem
and
in
the
past,
when
we
had
the
previous
restaurant
melrose
did,
let
us
use
their
parking
and
we
never
had
an
issue.
I
know
we
did
have
an
issue
with
gonzales
auto
part,
but
I
think
that
was
more
personal
between
the
previous
restaurant
owner
and
them.
So
I
don't
see
an
issue
with
the
new
owners
of
the
restaurant,
and
I
mean
that's
pretty
much
it
unless
you
have
any
questions
for
me.
E
C
H
E
If
they
well,
it's
enforced
typically,
the
way
a
lot
of
our
zoning
orders
are
enforced,
they're,
they're,
enforced
through
complaints.
We
receive
a
complaint
in
the
zoning
enforcement
because
and
team
follows
up
on
that.
They
look
at
the
special
use
permit.
They
read
that
it
has
conditions
that
are
not
being
followed
and
that's
when
a
citation
is
issued.
C
I
have
a
question
for
sherman
for
the
yes,
you
can.
Can
you
hear
me
these
guys.
C
How
long
have
you
been
operating
with
your
restaurant.
G
C
Now,
if
we
deny
the
the
special
use,
the
clinicians
permit,
or
especially
this
permit,
how
will
that
affect
the
way
you're
gonna
conduct
business
there.
G
Someone
would
be
denying
I'm
pretty
much
unless
a
restaurant
should
come
in
and
just
operate
a
restaurant,
but
it's
set
up
so
at
the
patio
and
they
would
want
I'm
sure
anyone
to
take
advantage
and
have
some
alcohol
being
be
able
to
sell
alcohol.
So
it
would
really
limit
my
tenants
to
operate
there,
but
I
don't
get.
A
A
How
many
tables
does
the
restaurant
have.
H
A
C
G
G
E
H
E
A
E
C
I
I
think
mr
sherman
and
kirby.
I
think
that
what
that
mr
doing
is
trying
to
say
is
that
if
the
parking
was
a
problem
now
that
that
she
mentioned
that
she
owned
that
property
that
we've
I
I
personally
feel-
and
I
think
mr
swanies
will
side
with
me-
that
we
should
go
ahead
and
approve
the
the
the
permit,
so
they
can
go
ahead
and
open
the
business
and
and
go
on
with
the
with
the
restaurant.
Is
that
your
motion?
C
Yes,
I
didn't
make
you
have
not
closed
a
public
hearing.
That's
why
I
didn't
make
a
motion,
but
yes,
I
would
get
emotions.
A
So
your
motion
is
to
close
the
public
hearing
and
approve
the
sup.
That
is
correct,
mr
charlotte.
J
A
E
E
E
And
here
is
the
future
land
use
map
showing
this
area
designated
as
neighborhood
mixed
use.
Staff
supports
the
proposed
zone
change,
although
it's
not
in
conformance
with
the
neighbor,
with
the
future
land
use
map
that
identifies
this
area's
neighborhood
mixed
use,
it
is
it
does
fit
in
the
surrounding
with
the
surrounding
uses,
I
think,
would
be
a
good
fit
for.
What's
there
on
us,
highway
83,
here's
the
proposed
motion
when
you're
ready
to
approve
or
deny
zone
change
and
here's
the
number
for
the
public
to
call
in
should
they
wish
to
voice
their.
A
C
K
No,
but
I
don't
know
if
anybody
has
any
questions.
Basically,
the
reason
we
just
wanna
we're
actually
setting
the
the
building
right
now
due
to
coven,
without
that
location
did
get
affected
and
we
had
to
close
down
and
we
have
the
building
up
for
sale
and
basically
the
change.
The
song
change
is
because
we
want
to
have
a
broader
audience.
We've
had
several
calls
come
in
just
to
see
the
sony
and
they
were
looking
for
b4.
K
M
A
A
This
is
situated
in
portion
35,
abstract
546
of
the
jose
miguel
diaz
original
grantee
and
conveyed
to
hfk
development
llc.
This
is
located
west
of
hilo
avenue
and
north
of
dolly
richter
and
bianca
lane
from
an
r1
to
an
r2
multi-family
residential
kirby.
E
Yes,
sir,
the
applicant
is
hfk
development,
llc
is
the
owner
or
stance.
Engineering
is
the
applicant
who
describes
the
location
and
the
requests
which
is
r12
r2
proposed
uses.
Multi-Family
we
sent
out
eight
letters
to
surrounding
neighbors.
We
receive
zero
four
and
zero
against
general
location
of
the
area
is
south
laredo,
an
aerial
view
showing
the
property
and
the
undeveloped
surrounding
area,
an
aerial
view
showing
the
surrounding
area
and
the
zone,
and
current
zoning,
which
is
r1.
E
There
is
r1a
to
the
in
r1mh
to
the
southeast
and
the
future
land
use
map
which
designates
this
area
as
low
density.
Residential
staff
supports
the
proposal
change,
even
though
it's
not
in
conformance
with
the
future
land
use
map
r2,
would
allow
for
multi-family
a
slightly.
What
we
feel
would
be
a
denser
residential
product,
but
this
is
not
going
to
be
we're
not
anticipating
garden-style
apartments
here,
but
something
more
along
the
lines
as
duplexes
or
something
similar,
and
the
applicant
can
speak
to
that
now.
We
feel
like
the
zone.
E
Change
will
not
adversely
impact
the
neighborhood,
and
we
do
feel
like
there's
a
need
for
a
mix
of
housing
products.
As
we've
spoken
to
many
times,
it's
not
good
to
have
high
density
next
to
very
low
density,
but
it's
good
to
have
medium
density
mixed
in
with
low
density,
medium
density,
mixing
with
hydrogen.
We
feel
like
this
will
be
something
along.
The
lines
of
your
debts
proposed
motion
is
to
recommend
approval
or
denial
so
to
counsel
when
you're
ready
and
the
number
for
the
public
to
call
in
when
you
open
the
public
hearing.
A
B
K
Right,
mr
chairman,
this
is
wayne.
We
we
look
forward
to
your
support
of
this
motion
and
we
look
forward
to
getting
this
through.
We
appreciate
it.
J
K
It
would
be
accessing
it
would
be
accessing
bianca
or
which
will
be
renamed
dolly
richter
along
its
frontage.
There
will
be
an
extension
from
a
helo
as
part
of
the
fighting.
It's
part
of
the
long
range
thoroughfare
plan
to
extend.
A
A
With
none
heard
motion
carries.
Thank
you.
The
next
item
amending
the
zoning
ordinance
of
the
city
loretta
by
rezoning,
approximately
11.23
acres
at
a
15.196
acre
track
in
the
josemia
miguel
diaz
original
grantee,
and
it's
conveyed
to
hfk
development.
This
is
located
west
of
ajido,
south
of
daly
richter
and
bianca
lane
from
r1
to
r1a
single-family,
reduced
district
kirby.
E
A
K
Mr
chairman,
we
appreciate
your
support
on
this
one
as
well,
and
I'm
here
for
any
questions.
A
N
I'll
make
a
motion
to
close
public
hearing
and
recommend
the
zone,
change
that
advice.
A
All
right
second
question:
do
we
have
a
second
tekken
from
those
who
are
not
in
favor
of
the
motion
signify
by
saying
aye
and
none
heard?
The
motion
carries
the
next
item:
mending
the
zoning
ordinance
of
the
city
of
laredo
by
rezoning
lot,
35
block
one
cuatro,
viento,
sur
phase,
five
located
west
of
vego
avenue
and
south
of
daly
richter
and
bianca
lane
from
r1mh
to
r1a?
E
Yes,
similar
to
the
last
one
hfk
developer,
develop
development
llc
the
owner
for
science
engineering,
the
applicant
representative,
a
request
to
go
to
from
r1mh
manufactured
housing,
single
family
zone,
2,
r1a,
single
family
reduced
area
zone
always
uses
residential
84
letters
were
mailed
out
zero.
Four
zero
against.
E
A
K
Mr
chairman,
we
appreciate
your
support
on
this
one
as
well,
and
I'm
here
for
any
questions
again.
A
K
I
I
can
explain
that
for
you
this,
this
used
to
be
an
a
gas
main
easement,
okay
planes
will
have
been
abandoned
and
the
right-of-way,
the
gas
main
right-of-way
has
reverted
back
to
the
owner,
okay,
so
along
the
very
thin
strip
that
you
see
on
the
west
side
or
your
left
side.
Yes,
those
will
be.
Those
will
be
backyards
in
that
r1a
to
the
left,
but
the
green
strip
that
you
see
between
the
hedo
and
the
the
the
the
future
subdivision
will
be
dedicated
to
the
park
for
as
a
linear
park
system.
A
K
A
linear
park,
yes,
sir
well,
the
the
idea
is
that
these
neighborhoods
use
this
linear
park.
They
have
a,
they
have
a
layout
and
and
rogelio
shared
that
with
gracie
a
while
back
and
it's
to
get
the
people
in
this
neighborhood
over
to
the
school
and
just
to
have
a
linear
park.
We
can't
you
know,
can't,
do
you
know?
A
So
it's,
I
guess,
along
larry's
question
is
wayne.
This
is
going
to
be
more
like
if
it's
a
60-footer,
it's
gonna
be
more
like
a
trail
system,
a
paved
or
a
rubberized
trailer,
or
what
what
are
we
looking
at
or
what?
What
are
you?
What
are
you
thinking
there?
What
what
are
you.
K
Well,
we're
60
feet,
we're
not
going
to
pave.
You
know
the
whole
thing
it
would
just
put
a
small
trail
in
there.
I
believe
that
there
might
be
some
other
amenities
that
we'd
have
to
work
out
with
a
park,
but
I
I
guess
that's.
The
primary
thing
is
just
to
provide
a
linear
walking
trail
for
the
residents
in
the
area
between
between
a
hedo
and
the
subdivision
to
the
to
the
west,
rather
than
just
leave
it.
You
know
fallow.
K
If
you
will
and
report
crash
or
anything
like
that,
I
mean
once
we
make
it
into
something
used
by
the
public
it
it
becomes
a
betterment
instead
of
something
that
works
against
the
neighborhood.
A
Wouldn't
that
little
piece
of
property
there
become
more
of
a
problem
for
the
neighborhood
there.
You
know
you're
going
real
close
to
their
backyards.
H
K
Well,
it
is
60
feet,
it's
been
there
as
a
gas
easement
for
a
long
time
I
mean
so
it's
just
you
know
it's
it's
been
there
non-used,
but
I
think
there
are
a
couple
of
other
places
around
town
where
they
do
use
these
and
they
turn
them
into
linear
parks
and
it
ends
up
just
being
a
betterment
for
the
area.
Because
you
have
you
know
people
are
you
walking
these
trails
rather
than
it's
just
a
place
for
people
to
you
know,
dump
stuff
all
right.
K
On
what
they
need,
the
area,
we're
not
we're
not
going
to
just
you
know,
just
you
know
not
do
anything,
but
right
now,
there's
nothing
going
on
right
now.
We
feel
that
whatever
steps
we
take
is
going
to
be
a
positive.
You
know
a
positive
direction
for
this
area
and
I
think
that
contributing
this
to
the
park
is
is
definitely
a
betterment
for
the
area,
and
I
I
it's
it's
too
small
60
feet
is
still
a
pretty
good
sized
ride
away.
K
You
know,
that's
a
that's
a
big
strip,
that's
bigger
than
a
normal
street,
you
know,
and
so
so
it's
certainly
something
that's
usable,
and
if
we
just
don't
do
anything
with
it.
Well
then
that's
I.
I
don't
see
how
that
that
benefits.
Anybody,
probably
there's
anything.
A
K
We
have
notified
him
about
that.
I
know
that
we've
spoken
with
lacy
about
this
because
she
did.
She
did
have
these
very
similar
questions.
I
don't
know
if
she's
there,
but
she
went
over
it
with
what
we
intend
to
do
and
we
will
introduce
this
to
the
parks
board,
but
I
mean
first
things.
First,
we
need
to
see
if
it
you
know.
This
is
something
that
that
the
commission
wants
to
consider.
H
K
K
We
can
because
that
that
is
the
same
easement
and
it's
the
same
gas
main
easement
that
exists
through
there,
but
certainly
certainly
I
mean
getting
that
all
the
way
to
the
proposed
middle
school
is
is
ideal.
E
Just
to
clarify
for
the
commissioners
to
what's
in
question
right
now
is
not
the
not
the
trail.
That
trail
could
be
done
without
the
zone
change,
because
the
zoning
would
allow
for
that
in
either
zone.
Right
now,
it's
r1mh,
as
you
can
see
here-
well
he's
requesting
r1a
so
that
the
the
north
of
the
part
that's
going
north
and
south
can
be
utilized
by
the
r1
r1a
project
that
you
just
motioned.
You
know
that
will
go
to
council
as
well
for
his
own
change,
the
property
to
the
west.
D
E
So
again,
what's
in
question
here
is
not
the
trail.
That
is
a
determination
when
it
comes
back
to
you
in
the
form
of
a
plat,
then
we
can
start
talking
about
that
trail,
but
for
right
now
the
question
is
just
the
zone
change
to
r1a,
which
really
benefits
the
north
and
south
property,
or
the
part
of
the
property
going
north
and
south
the
strip
going
north
and
south.
A
I
mean,
I
think
we
all
understand
the
one
that's
going
north
and
south.
That's
a
pretty
easy
one.
I
think
everybody's
a
little
bit
more
concerned
about
the
one.
That's
on
south
side.
There.
A
I
think
it's,
I
guess
my
question
to
that
is
what,
if
the
parks
boards
in
the
future
doesn't
accept
that
now,
what
are
you
going
to
do?
Are
you
going
to
sell
that
property
to
the
adjacent
property
owners
or
well,
it's
an
eastman
commissioner.
Well,
the
eastman
has
been
done
away
with
that's.
Why
he's
rezoning
it
back.
K
It's
a
lot:
it's
definitely
it's
a
platted
lot
and
to
to
simplify
things.
That's
the
way
it
was
planted,
the
easement,
the
the
former
owners,
the
gas
people
that
have
easement
over
it,
not
the
owners
of
the
lie.
K
Subsequently,
you
know,
they've
abandoned
they've
abandoned
their
rights,
the
the
main
is
no
longer
active,
and
so
the
owner
has
full
rights
back
to
this
right.
K
We're
actually
the
zone
change
is
really
to
really
like
to
make
it
really
clean,
because
the
the
30
foot
strip
is
just
backyard
and
I
I'm
not
even
sure
if
the
r1mh
would
be
problematic
for
the
r18
next
to
it,
but
we
just
for
the
sake
of
cleanliness.
We
want
to
make
this
all
the
same.
I
I'm
sure
the
parks
this
could,
the
the
60-foot
section
can
be
dedicated
to
the
park
as
it's
flat
as
it's
zoned
right
now
or
the
r1a.
K
I
think
we're
just
you
know
we're
just
trying
to
make
this
real
clean
so
that
it's
all
consistent
in
the
area
and
I'll,
let
staff
you
know,
expand
on
that.
If
they
need
to.
C
Sherman,
I
have
a
comment.
It
seems
to
me
that
actually
they
want
to
to
create
a
parkland
to
to
increase
their
percentage
of
parks
for
the
development
that
they're
planning.
C
I
what
I
see
there
is
a
need
for
ingress,
edgar's
easement
into
the
subdivisions
that
that
they're
coming
in
with
I
would,
if
they're
gonna,
be
using
it
for
part.
Why
would
we
want
to
change
the
song
right
now?
I
think
it
should
be
more.
It
should
work
better
when
it
comes
to
us
with
something
that
it's
more
detail
as
to
the
need
of
that
particular
easement.
C
I
still
see
that
at
60
feet
we
can
have
an
ingress
in
eastman
in
southern
vision,
because
that
celebration
is
right
on
the
back
of
two
sets
of
issues
that
so
how
are
they
going
to
connect
that
I
heard
that
they're
going
to
be
an
extension
into
a
hill,
but
that's
only
one
entrance
so
that
particular
easement
will
work
as
a
second
exit
or
or
entrance
to
the
south
division.
C
I
I
think
that
that
we
should.
We
should
wait
to
act
on
this
particular
item.
It's
something
that
I
looked
at
it
and
I
couldn't
understand
why
they
were
doing
it,
but
now
I
I
probably
understand
that
they
want
to
kind
of
use
it
for
work
to
avoid
giving
more
park
area
that
would
be
more
usable
for
the
community.
I
don't
I
don't
see
anybody
there
taking
advantage
as
a
part
of
that
particular
easement
at
60
feet.
That's
I
mean
with
all.
C
K
Can
we
can
we
table
this
time?
Certain?
Would
you
all
mind
if
we
table
this
time
certain,
so
we
can.
J
J
Yeah,
let
me
get
to
that
page.
Give
me
one
second
yeah
to
the
right
of
the
heather.
What
is
that
this
park
and
there's
lots,
overlap.
E
E
If
it
continues
west,
there
will
be
a
proposed
school
to
the
west
side.
J
So
maybe
I
don't
know
why,
for
I
think,
it's
semantics,
but
it's
not
a
park
per
se,
but
it
is
a
trail
and
if
you
design
it
correctly,
I've
seen
many
subdivisions
with
backyard
trails
that
linear
trails
that
connect
to
a
larger
parks
and
many
designs
in
austin
and
different
types
of
cities.
J
J
A
Well,
I
think
you
know
you
bring
up
a
point
and
and
looking
at
the
map
right
now,
if
there
is
going
to
be
a
school
to
the
west
of
this.
Obviously
this
would
be
a
way
to
connect
that
school
from
the
neighborhood.
That's
on
the
other
side
of
a
hill
on
the
east
side.
A
H
J
So,
okay,
I
don't
I
mean
I
the
only
question
I
have
is
once
you
approve
it
as
a
park
or
trail,
then,
who
is
responsible
for
setting
up
a
trail
not
just
dirt.
E
So
a
little
recap
on
this
again
and
then
I'll
answer
that
question.
So
this
right
now
is
one
lot
and
you
can't.
You
can't
request
a
zone
two
zones
on
one
lot.
One
lot
has
to
have
the
same
zone
right
now.
It's
all
r1mh,
which
is
the
orange,
but
the
property.
The
lot
to
the
west
of
this
that
you
just
zoned
that
you
just
recommended
the
council
to
zone
r1a.
D
E
The
remaining
portion
down
here
this
is
already
developed,
so
obviously
this
couldn't
be
developed
into
anything
they're
proposing,
of
course,
you're
not
voting
on
it
now
and
you're
not
deciding
on
it
now,
but
they're
proposing
in
the
future
that
this
would
be
planted
as
a
park
turned
over
to
the
city
as
part
of
a
park
easement
as
part
of
the
park's
dedication
requirement,
when
you
plan
a
property
for
residential
development.
At
that
time,
when
you
dedicate
property,
you
dedicate
the
land.
E
You
also
have
to
pay
some
fees
that
go
to
pay
for
a
a
park
or
in
this
case
a
linear
park,
so
the
city
would
be
would
be
utilizing
the
park,
dedication
to
land
and
also
the
fee,
that's
given
by
the
developer,
would
utilize.
Those
in
combination
to
then
set
up
the
in
this
case
a
linear
part,
but
in
other
cases
a
part
normal
point.
That's
how.
J
E
That's
korea,
but
but
again
this
is
this
is
for
for
a
future.
When
it
comes
in
as
a
platted
project,
then
you'll
see
it
and
then
you'll
you'll
see
comments
from
parks,
departments
saying
yes,
we
like
this
or
no,
we
don't
or
it
needs
to
change
or
whatnot.
But
at
this
point,
because
it's
all
one
lot
and
they
want
to
utilize
the
north
south
portion
part
running
north
and
south
for
the
the
project.
A
E
A
E
Anything
in
the
floodplain
is
reviewed
by
staff
that
that
is
a
process
that
go
when
something's
submitted
for
the
planning
process.
We
don't
typically
review
that
direct
well.
I
know
you're
not
talking
about
this
property
in
question
right
now,
but
I
couldn't
I
couldn't
answer
that
without
doing
the
research
on
what
the.
If,
if,
if
you
go,
only
look
at
that.
E
Well,
that
assumption
might
be
dangerous.
There
are
floodplain
maps
and
we
definitely
review
those
when
we,
when
any
kind
of
development
comes
through
the
planning
process.
A
Well,
larry,
but
we're
looking
at,
I
think
it's
a
heat
of
the
street.
That's
on
on
that
east
side
on
this
particular
property.
A
I
don't
think
so
yeah
I
thought
it
said
kirby,
let's
put
that
map
back,
so
we
can
look
at
what's
going
on
here
all
right.
Let's
see
what
are
you
looking
at
cuatro
vientos
is
way
over
here
yeah.
This
is
the
development
to
the
west.
If
you
go
down,
if
you
go
down
cuatro
vientos
going
south
and
you
look
to
the
right,
you
see
this
area
and
it
slopes
down.
A
I'm
trying
to
remember
where
that
yeah,
that's
the
one
that
you're
talking
about
the
one
that's
close
to
the
water
tank
yeah,
it's
it's
just
below
the
water
tank
yeah
yeah,
the
water
tank
would
be
somewhere
left
of
this
map
wade.
Can
you
can?
Did
you
hear
that
wink?
Do
you
know
more
or
less
where
that
school
is
located
on
this
map?.
K
K
When
you
get
to
the
other
side
of
that
street,
I
forget
the
name
of
it.
That's
the
school,
the
one
at
the
base
of
the
water
tank
that
you're
talking
about
so
this
60-foot
linear
park.
Would
it
eventually
goes
directly
to
the
middle
school
that
they're
building
right
there
at
the
base
of
the
elevator.
A
C
Yeah,
the
since,
if
we
do
the
the
zone
change
mr
sherman,
there's
no
guarantee
that
they
will,
they
will
bring
that
as
a
as
a
parrot.
I
actually
see
that
eventually
that
will
not
be
part
of
a
park,
but
my
motion
is
to
table
it
unless
the
commissioners
wants
to
go
all
the
way.
So
I
don't
have
a
problem,
but
my
motion
is
the
table.
Okay,.
A
E
If
you
allow
me,
commissioners,
we
have
some
training
on
robert's
rules
of
order,
and
one
of
the
interesting
details
that
was
brought
out
just
in
robert's
world
wars
is
that
you
can
entertain
three
motions
at
a
time.
In
other
words,
someone
else
could
make
another
motion
to
approve,
and
if
you
decide
you
could
or
recommend
approval
you
could
see
how
that
goes
before
you
decide
on
the
motion
of
of
tabling
just
a
little
tidbit
of
robert.
L
So
they
can
continue
with
the
project
and
that's
my
comment.
Am
I
correct
on
that?
Kirby!
That's
correct!
Yes,
okay!
So
with
that
we
can
make
another
motion.
E
But
just
to
receive
the
training
on
friday
last
friday,
on
a
national
expert
on
robert
jordan's
orders,
that
was
one
of
the
interesting
points
they
made.
Is
you
can
obtain
multiple
motions
up
to
three
so
that
way
you
can
get
a
feel
for
which
motion
you
want
to
go
with,
rather
than
having
to
potentially
deny
the
tabling.
If
there's
a
enough
commissioners
that
want
to
go
ahead
and
approve
this,
but
if
there's
not,
then
you
already
denied
the
see
how
that
could
create
a
problem.
D
C
Have
a
boat
call
and
if
the
commissioners
think
that
it
shouldn't
be
table,
I
mean
that's
not
perfectly
right.
I
mean
this
is
not
an
idea
to
to
affect
the
developer.
C
A
N
A
One
two
three,
four
five:
so
we
have
those
who
wish
to
table
it
are
gonna,
be
jorge
dominguez,
larry
devalina
and
mr
duenas.
Is
that
correct?
That's
correct,
so
therefore
it
fails.
I
am
open
for
another
motion.
A
C
A
Then
the
motion
carries.
Thank
you
next
item
amending
the
zoning
ordinance
of
the
city
of
laredo
by
rezoning
approximately
nine
point:
eight
seven
acres
out
of
porsche
35,
abstract
546,
the
jose
m
diaz,
original
grantee
conveyed
to
als
holdings,
go
alejandro,
ibiarial,
the
third
from
r1a
to
r1b
kirby.
E
The
owner
is
als
loretta
holdings,
the
representative
of
surefie
engineering,
you
described
the
location
it's
r1a
currently
and
the
request
to
go
to
r1b
the
proposed
use
is
a
slightly
higher
density
residential
project
and
we
mailed
34
letters
to
surrounding
neighbors.
We've
received
zero,
four
and
zero
against
here's,
the
general
location
of
the
area,
south
laredo,
here's
an
aerial
view
of
the
property.
O
Good
evening,
mr
chairman,
members
of
the
commission,
frankenstein
with
surefie
engineering
and
we're
in
favor
of
the
proposal
change
and
I'm
here
to
answer
any
questions
that
the
commission
may
have.
A
With
none
heard
motion
carries
the
next
night,
I'm
amending
the
zoning
ordinance
of
the
city
loaded
by
rezoning,
a
2.5
0
acre
track
of
land
out
of
the
west
side
of
track,
11-h
more
or
less
situated
in
portion,
10
sanchez,
abstract,
280
web
county
texas
conveyed
to
marcus
express
llc
from
8g
to
m1.
Yes,
sir
kirby.
E
The
applicant
is
maria
de
la
de
la
luz,
marquez
who's,
the
owner
and
payway
consulting
llc's
engineer
and
representative.
As
you
mentioned,
it's
a
request
to
go
from
the
ag
zone
to
the
m1
light
manufacturing.
District
pro's
use
is
for
industrial
we've
mailed
out
five
letters
to
surrounding
neighbors.
We've
received
zero,
four
and
zero
against
general
area,
just
north
of
mines,
road
northwest
laredo,
the
aerial
view
showing
the
lot
a
street
view.
E
Staff
supports
the
proposed
zone
change.
It
is
in
line
with
it's
in
performance
with
the
future
land
use
map,
and
it
is
conducive
to
the
surrounding
uses
in
the
area
and
propose
motion
when
you're
ready
to
recommend
approval
or
denial
to
the
city
council
and
the
number
for
the
public
to
call
in
should
they
wish
to
comment.
A
B
H
M
Hello,
mr
chairman,
commissioners
and
staff-
and
this
is
also
castillo,
with
several
consulting
we're
in
favor
of
the
proposed
change
and
we're
here
to
answer
in
question.
M
A
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
for
the
record.
The
applicant
is
fm:
1472
investments,
the
engineer
of
record
gilbert
engineering
company,
approximately
772
acres,
located
west
of
fm
1472
and
north
of
el
pico.
The
proposed
zoning
for
this
development
is
m1,
propose
use
ship
that
should
read
industrial
and
the
proposed
number
of
lots
of
66.
H
A
F
No,
mr
chairman,
the
engineer
record
is
not
on
the
line
at
this
time.
A
I
move
to
approve
the
reconsideration
of
the
pinnacle.
A
Second
motion:
we
have
a
motion
and
we
have
a
second
all.
Those
who
are
not
in
favor
of
the
motion
signify
by
saying
aye,
with
none
heard
motion
carries.
Thank
you.
The
next
item
review
and
reconsideration
of
the
green
subdivision
master
plan.
The
intent
is
residential.
A
B
For
the
record,
the
applicant
is
wwe
escondido.
The
engineer
of
record
is
spewa,
consulting
approximately
53
acres,
located
north
of
fm
1472
and
east
of
people's
boulevard,
and
the
zoning
is
r1a,
r1b,
r1mh
and
b1.
The
proposed
use
is
residential
and
the
proposed
number
of
lots
is
330.,
general
location,
aerial
view
street
view.
H
A
Ralph
before
we
go
further,
can
you
back
it
up
into
the
master
plan
and
show
me
exactly
where,
where
is
phase
four,
that
they
want
to
go
to
phase
12?
Can
you
point
that
out
to
me,
please
sure.
B
I'd
be
happy
to
mr
chairman,
if
you
look
at
the
easternmost
edge
of
the
master
plan
as
it
curves
around,
and
then
you
see
a
bit
of
a
larger
lot
at
the
bottom.
That's
the
change
right!
There!
That's
coming
in
okay!
That
area
is
currently
applied,
so
they're
reconfiguring
that
little
space
right
there.
B
At
one
time
those
were
platted
lots
and
what
they
did
was
that
the
kirby
it's
a
little
bit
lower
kirby,
I'm
sorry
right
there
right
there.
Those
were
originally
planted
lots
that
were
integrated
into
the
other
phase,
but
the
developer
chose
to
abandon
those
to
help
facilitate
the
sale,
so
they
abandoned
those
lots
and
now
they're
coming
back
or
they
vacated.
That
section.
I'm
sorry.
B
The
the
purpose
will
be
multifamily
condominium
type.
It's
my
understanding,
based
on
the
request
from
the
engineer.
A
B
H
A
Wide
so,
okay,
okay,
all
right!
Do
we
have
the
engineer
on
on
the
line.
F
Yes,
mr
chairman,
mr
oscar
castillo
from
people
consulting
is
on
the
line
to
answer
any
questions.
Okay,.
M
O
A
M
H
M
Mr
chairman,
and
as
a
as
mr
vizzari
was
saying
this
I
mean
the
loss
used
to
be
long,
the
existing
laws
and
nobody
wanted
them,
and
you
know
the
developer
then
chose
to
arcade
those
and
and
so
that
he
could
move
those.
And
now
this
is
the
remainder
of
of
those
that
were
the
back
part.
This
was
the
back
part,
so
they
left
them
at
110,
which
is
a
typical
depth,
and
this
point
to
answer
your
question.
This
is
acres.
A
C
Development,
mr
chairman,
for
the
record
I'll
abstain.
N
A
B
For
the
record,
the
applicant
is
rodriguez
development,
engineer
of
record
child
engineering
and
surveying
approximately
599
589
acres
located
east
of
international
and
east
of
balboa.
The
development
is
currently
not
zoned,
it
is
currently
outside
the
city
limits.
The
proposed
use
is
residential
and
commercial,
and
the
proposed
number
of
lots
is
2075.
P
Good
evening,
mr
chairman,
members
of
the
commission
and
staff
ricardo,
we
have
holland
engineering,
I'm
here
to
discuss
the
master
plan
for
the
rodriguez
ranch.
I
do
have
just
some
clarifications
on
some
comments.
We
concur
with
the
majority
of
them.
There's
just
one
that
it's
comment,
number
it's
it's
it.
It
kind
of
coincides
with
planning
comment
number.
Let
me
see
here
number
five
and
traffic
commies
traffic
comment
number
one.
P
It
is
classified
as
a
minor
arterial,
like
the
planning
comment
states
on
number
five.
However,
on
traffic's
comment
number
one:
it's
not
a
major
collector,
it's
actually
a
minor
arterial,
and
so
the
right-of-way
should
be
90
feet.
P
We
we
show
it
as
80
it's
drawn
in
that's
90,
but
there
was
a
typo
in
there
as
80..
But
a
minor
collector
is
a.
Is
a
90
foot
wide
based
on
the
comprehensive
plan
unless
staff
wants
to
chime
in
here,
but
that
we
did
our
research?
I
believe
it's
90.
A
A
P
No,
sir,
actually,
I
I
believe
we
can.
We
concur
with
all
the
other
comments,
we'll
make
the
adjustments
as
needed.
That
was
just
a
clarification
there
and
now
you
know
I'm
open
to
any
questions
that
anybody
may
have.
A
A
B
For
the
record,
the
applicant
is
rodriguez
development.
The
engineering
for
record
is
howlin
engineering,
approximately
25.6
acres
of
land
located
east
of
international
and
north
of
juanescotia.
The
developer
has
requested
initial
zoning
for
this
area
to
be
established
as
r1a
through
the
annexation
process.
It
is
residential
and
the
proposed
lots
are
146.
P
I'm
here
again
they
seem
common
as
a
master
plan,
but
we
it's
been
clarified,
we'll
just
verify
it
with
planning
and
traffic
on
chocolate,
common
number
one.
I
do
just
want
to
make
a
comment
for
the
record
on
some
utilities.
P
We
will
provide
the
master
plan.
We
have
had
discussions
with
the
utility
department.
They
have
given
us
directions
on
where
to
tie
in
our
sanitary
sewer
and
any
details,
all
details,
all
master
plans
will
be
submitted
for
approval
in
the
one-stop
shop
process,
but
I
just
want
to
make
that
a
comment
for
the
record
other
than
that.
If
anybody
else
has
any
comments,
I'm
happy
to
answer
or
any
questions,
I'm
sorry.
A
B
Raphael
for
the
record.
Thank
you
for,
for
the
record,
the
applicant
is
laredo
independent
school
district.
The
engineer
of
record
is
highly
engineering
surveying
approximately
23.2
acres
located
south
of
loma
del
sur
in
west
ave.
The
current
zoning
is
ag
b1
and
r1a.
The
proposed
you
submitted
school
and
the
proposed
number
of
lots
is
one
general
location,
aerial
view
street
view.
P
Again,
mr
chairman,
good
evening,
I'm
still
here,
howard
engineering
is
representing
the
developer
of
this
track.
P
We
concur
with
all
comments.
The
projected
or
the
proposed
use
for
this
track
is
for
the
new
school
that
will
be
relocated
to
this
site.
I'm
here
to
answer
any
questions
that
any
of
you
all
may
have.
A
Preliminary
consideration
of
the
replied
of
two
acres
bake
of
a
two
acre
vacated
track,
as
recorded
in
volume
2086
page
278
of
map
records
in
webb,
county
texas
and
lot
2
block
1
bento
subdivision
phase
1
into
lot
1
block
1.
darnita
sanders
platt
the
intent
is
industrial.
Yes,.
B
B
A
A
M
A
B
B
A
A
A
A
The
unheard
motion
carries
we're
moving
now
into
discussion
and
recommendations.
Item
9a
is
discussion,
recommendation
regarding
updates
to
the
land,
development
code
and
subdivision
ordinance.
The
proposed
changes
include
the
following:
pud
zone,
minimum
area
requirements,
pud
alterations,
permitted
and
board
of
adjustments,
membership
rules
and
setback
requirements
for
residential
zones,
kirby.
E
E
So
there
are
three
changes,
as
you
mentioned,
that
we
want
to
get
the
first
one
is.
We
need
to
correct
the
rules
for
the
board
of
adjustment,
it's
a
nine
member
board,
but
only
five
vote
and
there's
four
that
are
alternates,
but
it's
determined
by
lottery
in
the
confusion
of
that,
in
effect
they
were
just
operating
as
a
nine
member
board.
They
were
all
voting
and
the
problem
was
that
they
were
voting
by
simple
majority,
and
that
was
not
the
rule
here.
It
should
have
been
at
least
or
required.
E
Four
out
of
five
and
state
law
backs
that
up.
State
law
for
board
of
adjustments
require
a
higher
threshold
than
simple
majority,
so
we're
adjusting
it
to
fix
that
so
that
it's
all
nine
members,
because
it's
difficult,
if
you
go
less
than
nine,
then
you
gotta
choose
which
council
members
get
an
appointment
which
don't
it's
easier
just
to
make
it
a
nine
member
board
and
just
raise
the
requirement
of
a
three-fourths
majority
or
a
vote,
and
then
the
next
adjustment
is
to
the
dimensional
standards.
E
As
you
recall,
before,
it's
there's
been
interest
in
changing
the
setback
requirements
for
it's
in
our
comp
plan
to
allow
for
greater
density,
where
we
can
do
it:
a
giving
more
freedom
to
property
owners
for
the
property
allowing
for
or
more
utilization
of
their
property.
However,
there's
there's
been
pushback
on.
Maybe
this
too
radical
a
step.
E
We've
worked
out
a
compromise,
I
think,
will
be
good
going
forward,
and
that
is
we're
not
going
to
touch
the
front
setbacks
right
now
and
the
front
setbacks
are
really
what
have
an
impact
on
the
character
of
the
neighborhood.
Also,
you
know,
there's
challenges
with
parking
and
other
things
when
you
get
when
you
talk
about
the
front
setback,
you
start
building
in
the
front
setback.
E
The
third
change
that
we're
proposing
is
for
the
planned
unit
development
zone
again
the
comp
plan,
just
like
with
the
previous
one,
on
the
setbacks.
The
comp
plan
suggests
about
having
more
creative
solutions
to
our
affordable
housing
crisis,
that's
across
the
state
and
that
we're
being
affected
by
and
we
have
a
pud
zone
that
can
allow
for
creative
solutions
like
a
tiny
home
subdivision
or
a
a
town,
townhome
development.
However,
the
pud
has
a
minimum
acreage
requirement.
E
That's
rather
large
for
residential
and
and
what
we're
doing
is
we're
suggesting
to
remove
that
minimum
air
requirement.
We
understand
why
it
was
probably
there
and
the
idea
was
well.
We
want
to
see
big
developments
come
in,
but
there's
no
reason
that
a
smaller
development
can't
come
in,
especially
when
we're
talking
about
in
the
inner
city,
where
you
may
not
be
able
to
get
together
that
many
lots
to
make
a
big
enough.
E
E
Subdivision
so
why
not
bring
it
down
but
make
sure
that
the
standards
are
are
still
there?
Now
the
nice
thing
about
a
pud
zone,
we've
seen
town
home
developments
come
in
before
you,
but
they're,
using
the
special
use
permit
process
for
the
townhomes.
That's
actually
not
technically
legally
allowed
through
the
land
development
code,
but
it's
what
was
done
in
the
past
and
it's
kind
of
the
the
only
solution
that
that
I
guess
that
that
developers
could
find,
because
there
really
isn't
a
town
home
ordinance.
E
Now
we
looked
at
doing
that
with
the
development
community
and
the
city
staff
got
them
all
together
and
there
were
some
challenges
about
codifying
it.
We're
still
working
on
that
we're
working
on
that
with
recode,
but
right
now
the
pud
zone
would
allow
for
town
home
developments
and
the
nice
thing
is
and
what
will
require
what
should
be
required
with
any
town
home
development
is
that
there
will
be
a
site
plan
approval
process.
E
So,
for
example,
somebody
comes
in
wants
to
do
a
pud
zone
they'll.
The
zone
change
has
to
go
to
planning,
commission
and
city
council,
but
once
they
get
that
pud
zone,
they
still
have
to
come
to
the
planning
commission,
not
the
city
council,
but
the
planning
commission,
that's
a
very
quick
turnaround.
You
know
it's
two
weeks
when
they
submit
the
application
come
to
you,
but
they
submit
a
site
plan
that
says
hey.
This
is
what's
going
to
look
like
this
is
the
lots.
This
is
the
setbacks.
E
This
is
how
we're
going
to
get
traffic
in
and
out.
This
is
what
we're
going
to
do
with
common
area.
This
is
how
we're
going
to
set
it
up
and
arrange
it,
and
the
planning
commission
gets
to
then
decide
about
the
certain
elements
in
there
in
that
site
plan
and
once
it's
approved
it's
binding
and
they
have
to
follow
it
part
of
the
problem
with
the
way
we're
doing
in
the
past
with
using
a
special
use.
E
Permit
is
you
don't
they
just
they
say
they're
going
to
do
townhomes,
but
they're
not
actually
required
to
stick
to
that,
and
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
there
aren't
any
issues
going
forward,
not
just
for
the
development
but
five
ten
years
when
it's
now
all
owned
individually
by
the
by
the
lot
owners,
and
so
we're
going
to
we're
proposing
to
have
this
pud
zone
and
give
us
more
flexibility
to
use
that
to
tackle
some
of
the
affordability
problems
we
have
in
the
city
now
again
we're
going
to
get
a
second
ticket
this.
E
When
we
bring
you
the
the
recode
project
that,
when
we're
redoing
all
the
land
development
code
ordinances
in
the
spring,
we're
going
to
bring
well
before
then
you'll
see
it
some
additional
changes,
but
for
right
now
this
will
be
an
avenger
that
townhomes
can
go
and
we
hope
to
see
other
kind
of
creative
projects
use
this.
So
those
are
the
three
things
that
we're
bringing
before
you
does
anybody
have
any
questions.
A
Kirby
I
do
on
the
setback
of
the
six
foot.
A
E
Setbacks
in
order
of
how
how
strong
things
are,
whatever
the
city
setbacks
are,
you
cannot
ignore
building
code
requirements
and
you
cannot
ignore
easements.
Those
are
set
in
place.
Those
are
set
in
stone.
So
in
the
case
that
somebody,
we
have
a
an
allowance
that
wouldn't
wouldn't
be
permitted
by
building
code.
It'd
be
the
building
code.
That
would
be
stronger
in
any
case.
A
Okay,
I
have
a
second
question.
The
second
question
goes
back
to
the
pud,
the
pud
under
the
clarifying
the
site
plan,
a
pool
process
and
allowing
for
pnc
commission
to
allow
for
administrative
approval
for
minor
changes
by
the
building
official.
Can
you
explain
that
a
little
bit
better
to
me
in
terms
of
so
you're
talking
about
plans
already
being
submitted
to
the
building
department
and
then
they
review
them,
and
then
they
come
to
us
so
or.
E
A
p,
a
lot
of
our
zones
have
all
the
rules
already
spelled
out
like
think
of
an
r1
zone.
Here
are
the
setbacks?
Here's
the
height
restrictions.
Here's
here
are
the
things
you
can
do
on
our
one
zone,
so
somebody
comes
and
gets
an
r1
zone,
and
now
they
have
the
rules
already
in
the
land
development
code,
how
they
can
develop
when
they
do
a
pud
zone.
E
There
are
some
rules,
but
a
lot
of
it's
left
up
to
the
planning
commission
to
determine
to
agree
with
the
site
plan
and
what
restrictions
they'll
give
this
particular
development.
Now
that
site
plan
is
binding.
So
imagine
a
developer
comes
in
bill,
creates
a
site
plan
planning.
Commission
approves,
it
sells
all
the
lots
and
ten
years
later,
one
of
the
lot
owners,
one
of
the
owners
of
the
of
that
pud
wants
to
come
in
and
you
know,
expand
the
footprint
of
their
structure
or
or
add
something
to
the
rear.
E
E
We've
got
the
language
in
there,
but
you
decide
by
emotion
to
say:
okay,
we're
giving
the
building
official.
In
these
circumstances
you
don't
have
to
come
back
and
adjust
site
plan.
The
building
official
can
say
yeah
no
problem.
You
can
go
out
with
that
change.
A
E
That's
correct
nothing.
The
city
can
do
can
can
change
the
requirement
of
an
easement,
easements
are
entered
into
private
parties,
or
I
mean
could
be
public
parties
as
well,
but
but
in
terms
of
legality
they're
stronger
than
setbacks,
so
these
minutes
would
have
to
be
respected,
regardless
of
what
the
setbacks
are.
That's
the
case
now
some
cases
you
have
easements
that
are
larger
than
what
the
current
setbacks
are.
E
A
Well,
kirby,
I
think,
from
my
perspective,
what
you're
proposing
makes
sense
to
me-
and
I
guess
the
next
step
is
obviously
a
public
hearing
at
the
city
council.
E
What
I
would
ask
for
is
a
positive
recommendation
from
the
commission.
C
Exchanges,
yes,
commissioner
dominguez
and
I'm
in
favor,
of
sending
a
positive,
positive
recommendation.
I
think
what
that
was
what
is
brought
before
us
have
been
discussed
many
times
and
now
I
think
we
should
send
this.
This
recommendation
to
city
council.
A
J
I
have
no
issues
with
sending
a
positive
recommendation.
I
think
it's
a
step
in
the
right
direction
and
yeah
this
day
is-
and
I
concur.
I
A
E
Yes,
I'll
just
say,
I'm
excited
about
the
pud
zone.
I
really
do
hope
it
gets
utilized
more
and
it
will
be
an
opportunity
for
the
planning
commissioners
to
really
put
on
your
design
caps
and
a
staff.
We
may
not
always
agree
with
what
I
mean:
we're
we're
opening
the
doors
to
more
creative
solutions
and
with
that
you're
going
to
see
things
that
probably
we
don't
agree
with
and
a
staff.
E
We
may
see
things
we
don't
agree
with
as
well,
but
ultimately
we're
putting
the
authority
and
trust
in
the
planning
commission's
hands
to
say
you
know
it's
difficult
to
make
all
the
rules
for
what
you
can
do
with
development,
and
sometimes
you
need
an
outlet
for
some
creativity
where
somebody
if
they
can
bring
us
a
side
plan
on
a
piece
of
property.
They
and
you've
got
to
understand
the
surrounding
neighborhood,
the
piece
of
property,
the
topography,
the
other
challenges,
the
market.
E
All
those
things
put
together,
they're
going
to
submit
something,
and
you
really
get
a
lot
of
authority
to
say.
Yes,
that
works
modify
it,
which
is
something
you
know,
you're,
not
necessarily
doing
a
lot
of
or
denying
it
now
that
modification.
That's
something
typically
you're,
not
providing
that
type
of
input.
In
anything
we
give
you
you're
either
saying
yes
up
or
yes
down,
or
you
might
say
one
or
two
things,
I'm
not
sure
about
that,
but
on
these
kind
of
developments
you
could
you
could
really
say
you
know
what
I
think
these
materials
you're
proposing.
E
I
don't
think
it
looks
really
nice.
I
think
you
know,
I
think
you
need
to
have
higher
quality
materials
right.
I
think
you
need
to
consider
this
about
how
living
there
might.
So,
it's
really
it's
exciting,
but
it's
also
going
to
be
challenging,
but
the
staff
will
do
our
best
to
prepare
when
we
get
one
of
those
in
and
we've
already
got
some
developers
interested
in
this.
So
it
might
be
quite
soon
if
this
passes
the
council.
E
So
we're
excited
about
that
with
that
said
I'll,
just
thank
everybody
for
their
service
and
you
just
to
notify
the
public
again
that
you
don't
get
paid
for
your
time
on
the
planning
commission.
E
Sometimes
you
probably
think
you
should
all
the
time
you
put
into
this,
but
well
you
don't
you
do
it
because
you
love
your
community
and
you're
serving
community.
We
really
appreciate
that.
I
also
want
to
say
thank
you
very
much
to
commissioner
tayas,
commissioner
galday
and
commissioner
lugo
no
floyd.
Yes,
there.
Yes,
we're
going
to
miss
you.
E
A
Wait
a
minute
you
might
be
a
little
bit
premature,
I
mean
what
did
they
get
reappointed
on
the
commission,
so
I
would
hold
off
on
giving
him
a
farewell
at
this
point.
I
think
let's
wait
and
see
what
happens.
They
may
end
up
getting
appointed
again
all
right.
Well,
they're.
I
E
A
Kirby,
I
do
have
one
thing:
I'd
like
to
mention
with
you
and
see
if
it's
possible.
I
know
these
are
webex
meetings.
Let's
see
if
we
can
do
a
little
experiment,
maybe
at
the
next
meeting
about
having
the
engineers
also
on
the
webex,
so
that
we
can
also
be
you
know,
maybe
looking
at
their
presentations.
A
A
Do
you
think
we
can
do
that?
Try
and
experiment
and
see
if
you
guys
can
manage
it
or
you
know
it's
still,
tolerable.
E
E
A
Okay,
what
do
the
rest
of
the
commissioners
feel?
Do
you
feel
that
would
be
something
worth
for
us
to
take
an
experiment
and
look
and
see
if
we
can
get
the
other
engineers
or
public?
Who
has
a
specific
item
on
to
come
on
webex
meeting
with
us.
J
I
I
agree.
This
is
because
I
I
think
sometimes
it's
difficult
to
translate.
What's
going
on
when
you're
on
the
phone
and
things
could
be
lost
in
translation
and
for
someone
to
try
to
prove
their
point.
When
there's
opposition
to
a
certain
item
from
the
commission,
then
it's
really
hard
for
the
applicant
to
rebuttal
and
really
really
put
their
thoughts
together
through
a
phone
system.
It
just
gets
just
gets
complicated.
A
And
as
well
yeah
I've
already
got
gone
to
in-person
meetings
close
to
the
public
about
everybody
present,
just
spacing
them
out
and
everybody
wears
a
mask,
and-
and
you
know
I
I
don't
disagree
with
you.
I
guess
it's
just.
What
is
the
policy
of
the
city
right
now?
They
still
have
city
hall
shut
down
right.
E
Well,
council
did
not
has
ex
has
explicitly
not
allowed
any
of
the
commissions
or
committees
to
meet,
so
it
will
require
their
action
for
us
to
meet
again.
Okay,.
A
So
I
guess
we'll
try
this
particular
webex
and
then
let's
see
where
it
goes,
you
know
by
february
or
march.
Hopefully
we
can
get
back,
maybe
to
we
can
meet
in
person.
But
again
it's
it's
a
city
council
decision.
Yes,
sir
all
right!
Well,
you
all
stay
safe.
You
all
have
a
good
holiday.
Merry
christmas
and
a
happy
new
year
and
we'll
see
you
all
next
year.