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Planning and Zoning Committee Meeting 070518
A
B
A
Have
motion:
do
we
have
a
second
second
and
second,
all
those
in
favor,
I
suppose
against
motion
carries.
Thank
you.
The
next
center
that
we
have
is
a
public
hearing
and
recommendation
of
the
ordinance
amending
nikka
conditional
use
permit
of
an
amusement
Redemption
machine
establishment.
We
shoot
a
lot
one
block.
One
I
need
an
associate
subdivision
phase,
one
located
90
110,
McPherson,
Road,
Suite
2
by
repeating
ordinance
number
20,
16-0
129,
authorizing
the
original
Co
P
and
authorizing
the
issuance
of
a
revised
GOP
changing
the
tenant.
This
is
a
public
hearing.
D
A
A
Do
we
have
a
second
and
a
second
all
those
in
favor
aye?
Those
against
motion
carries
thank
you.
Next
data
that
we
have
is
reviewing
consideration
of
the
following
master
plans:
m7a
review
and
consideration
of
the
Stanford
Heights
subdivision
master
plan,
the
antennas,
residential
and
commercial
okay.
A
Okay,
the
request
is
reviewed.
Consumers
and
the
site
is
a
14
point:
zero
three
contract
located
north
of
Jackman
ordered
east
of
customer
in
the
road
there's
only
four,
the
77
lakh
development,
it's
r1,
the
tract
is
located
in
district
5.
The
post
action
approved,
subject
of
the
following
comments
from
Planning
from
engineering
of
traffic
in
parts
of
leisure.
F
A
F
A
F
Is
right
now
discussions
with
the
Utilities
Department
in
regards
to
how
we're
gonna
store
the
property
there's
a
sort
of
line
that
runs
along
customer
in
the
road
along
the
I?
Guess
you
would
say
the
north
western
side
of
it
and
there's
a
lift
station,
that's
located
on
the
subdivision
to
the
north
yeah,
but
then,
if
nations
had
a
capacity
that
is
correct
and
of
course,
the
options,
some
of
the
options
that
were
given
is
maybe
an
upgrade
of
sorts.
F
A
Now,
right
now
we
have
an
existing
subdivision
there
and
you're
proposing
to
drive
through
that
existing
subdivision
to
your
face,
one
that
is
Eddie's,
Lucy,
a
wood
and
then
Lucy.
It's
a
50-foot
right
away
with
what
31
back-to-back
already
won
back-to-back,
though
so
in
a
subdivision
like
this
normally
you're
going
to
have
cars
park
on
each
side
of
the
street,
which
reduces
your
street
to
about
ten
feet,
long
traveling
Lane.
So
that's
not
a
good
plan.
The.
F
Tract
itself
is
limited,
very
I
mean
it's
a
250
foot
front
frontage
other
than
that
there
is
there.
There
aren't
many
low.
There
is
no
public
access
to
street
awesome.
Exactly
it's
200
feet
there.
The
property
itself
needs
access.
Fortunately,
the
subdivision,
where
the
cul-de-sac
currently
exists,
they
didn't
close
it
off.
They
actually
ended
where
they
still
left
room
for
a
connection
in
the
future.
F
A
cold
it's
a
cul-de-sac,
but
if
we
pull
out
the
plat,
the
plat
itself
doesn't
close
off
is
what
exists
on
the
grounds.
Graves
is
a
cul-de-sac,
but
they
left
room
to
where
there
would
be
a
connection
possible
connection
in
the
future.
I
mean
typically
a
cul-de-sac.
We
see
it
where
it
closes
off
and
there's
no
way
to
get
in.
It's
just
locked
in
this
particular
case.
They
extended
it
all
the
way
to
meet
the
track
itself
right.
A
F
F
A
I
do
see
a
lot
of
traffic
being
created,
that's
77
Lots
and
you
just
put
the
simple
to
trip
generations.
You
know
her
part
a
lot,
that's
a
hell
of
a
lot,
and
normally
it's
not
gonna
be
it's
got
to
be
four
to
six
for
a
lot.
That's
a
lot!
Okay,
I
think
my
opinion.
You
may
want
to
look
at
these
things
more
that'll.
Take
that
particular
axis
that
you
proposed
an
Una's
gonna
work.
Okay,
immediately,
if.
C
I
may
Sherman
I
I
had
some
communication
with
some
of
the
members
that
there
are
comics
and
we
have
some
of
the
members
of
the
Lucia
that
are
very
concerned
with
the
traffic.
They
were
actually
concerned,
because
that
saw
the
vision
was
ended
on
the
contact.
One
of
the
reasons
that
Cossack
was
not
clothed
in
this
information
from
the
developer
is
because
he
had
some
type
of
agreement,
only
a
right-of-way
to
enter
the
property.
To
that
to
that
road,
it
wasn't
actually
to
access
what
you
connect
Lucia
into
into
the
development.
C
That's
one
of
mine
out.
There
are
the
questions
that
that
I
have
the
second
one
is
that
Cystic
they
they
need
to
connect
the
water
through
a
loop
and
in
this
world
it
cannot
be.
Actually
it
would
be
a
it
would
not
be
appropriate
for
for
the
residents
who
lose
here
for
it
to
be
phase.
One
and
phase
two
I
think
would
be
more
appropriate
that
you
make
one
face.
Actually
one
develop
and
I
include
the
commercial
and
residential
and
I'll.
C
Tell
you
why
we've
seen
that
you
do
phase
one
and
then
all
of
a
sudden.
You
know
what
they
sold
the
property,
we're
no
longer
the
owners,
so
we
ended
up
burdening
some
of
members
of
the
community
because
they
do
near.
He
brings
it
to
us
and
that's
his
job,
to
provide
the
development,
or
at
least
the
and
the
plan
for
development.
But
after
that
he's
not
in
charge
or
do
it
that
was
erection,
see
that's
entirely
by
the
owner
with
it,
so
that
concern
from
the
residence
on
Lucia
is
true
and
it's
it's.
C
C
I
would
suggest
that
that
that
we
deny
this
until
we
bring
something
that
that
actually
calls
for
a
long
face
or
in
there
they're
bringing
the
appropriate
the
utilities
and
the
flow
of
vehicles
to
the
community
or
a
good
possibility
is
not
a
collector
to
at
least
it
does
not
give
this
Manor
a
connect.
So
this
creating
is
creating
problems.
A
Until
you
can
work
this
thing
out
because,
like
I
said
I,
don't
think
the
Commission
is
gonna
authorize.
This
I
mean
right
now,
the
way
we
see
it,
we
have
residents
here,
get
a
present
our
concern
from
a
planning
point
of
view.
This
doesn't
seem
like
a
good
plan
and
it's
up
to
us
a
commission
to
make
sure
that
whatever
gets
approved
works
for
all
the
residents.
Okay
and-
and
it
is
a
concern
to
us
right
now
since.
F
We're
here
we
have
no
issue
with
actually
tabling
the
item
for
the
next
for
the
next
meeting
region.
It
was
not
a
comment
from
the
traffic
department.
There
was
no
comments
from
anybody,
I
understand
as
a
commission,
you
are
here
to
serve
the
public
and
and
appreciate
your
service.
Absolutely
thank
you.
Nonetheless,
if
we
can
have
the
opportunity
visit
with
staff
all
those
staffs
comments,
nobody
from
any
of
the
departments
may
comment
in
regards
to
this
I.
F
Guess:
I'd,
like
your
feedback,
only
because
any
meeting
that
we
have
with
staff
is
going
to
be
relative
to
what's
in
the
comments,
so
whatever
feedback
you
have
is
right
now,
please
do
so
that
way.
We
can
come
back
and
come
back
in
two
weeks
and
have
something
presented
to
you
then
well
you'll,
be
in
favor
of
I.
Think
most.
A
Of
the
Commission
right
now,
when
they
looked
at
this
particular
plan,
they
would
prefer
that
this
probability
come
back,
is
in
one
face,
but
I
believe
that's
what
most
of
the
Commission
is
looking
at
it.
So
we'll
give
you
if,
if
you're
willing,
you
know
we're
willing
to
table
this
they've
got
legal
staff,
maybe
redesign
and
come
back
to
the
Commission.
Okay.
F
A
C
C
G
E
C
No
yeah,
okay,
just
we
know
the
it
was
table,
so
they
staff
can
actually
talk
to
the
to
the
engineer
and
try
to
bring
something
that
it's
a
that
will
will
erase
your
worries
as
to
the
development.
So
the
the
item
is
it's
it's
done
and
you
can
come
back
two
weeks
in
or
you
can
contact
staff
so
that
you
have
any
questions
in
there.
C
G
H
I
G
I
E
A
To
you,
okay,
we
have
motion
to
hear
7b
and
what
is
it
8,
b9
8
together.
Thank
you.
There's
a
motion
in
a
second
all,
those
in
favor,
okay.
Let's
go
7b
right
now:
seven
beers
request
for
reviewed
consideration
of
track
29
and
keep
those
or
those
meter
and
its
master
plan
the
antennas
commercial.
This
is
a
four
point:
eight
two
acre
tracks
located
west
of
the
silver
mine,
Road
and
south
of
FM
1472,
there's
only
four,
the
two
not
development
is
AG.
A
A
A
A
Item
9a
is
a
preliminary
consideration
for
preliminary
reconsideration
of
track.
Clean
average
equals
for
the
those
meted
out
is
flat.
The
antennas,
commercial
and
the
site
is
a
1.89
acre
tract
located
west
of
silver,
mine,
Road
and
south
of
FM
72.
The
zoning
for
this
one
lot
development
is
AG
and
the
proposed
action
is
approved,
subject
to
the
following
commerce,
from
planning
from
engineering,
water
and
utilities
and
notice
the
developer
complaining.
A
A
Alright
item
8a:
this
is
a
preliminary
consideration
with
blood
of
Concord
terrorist
subdivision.
The
antennas
residential
the
site
is
3.74
acre
tract.
It's
located
south
of
gage
Avenue
in
east
of
Concord
Hills
Boulevard.
The
zoning
for
this
28
lot
development
is
our
1a.
The
track
is
located
in
district
2.
The
proposed
action
is
approved,
subject
to
the
following
comments
from
planning,
engineering,
watering
utilities,
parks
and
leisure
Webb,
County
and.
J
J
Number
2
I
spoke
with
a
department
and
they
agreed
to
remove
that
comment,
because
that's
actually
gonna
be
determined
doing
one-stop
shop,
it's
they
they
are,
they
were.
They
were
asking
us
to
connect
to
a
sewer
which
is
on
top
of
this
division,
which
is
the
highest
point,
and
after
I
spoke
with
them,
they
were.
They
were
ok
with
with
just
removing
the
comment
and
steps
was
copied
on
the
email.
J
A
I
A
We
have
a
motion
to
waive
a
second
second
and
second,
all
those
in
favor
aye.
Those
games
motion
carries
thank
you
next
item
that
we
have
is
item
8b.
Preliminary
consideration
of
the
plan
of
lot
1
block
1
Alexander
crossing
Plaza,
the
antennas
commercial.
The
site
is
a
1.5
acre
tract
located
east
of
warranted
Avenue
and
west
of
D
J
Alexander
subdivision
eunuch
20
there's
only
four.
The
scale
of
development
is
b3.
The
proposed
actions
approve
subject
to
the
following
comments
and
planning
engineering
watering
utilities
and
they
notice
to
developer
from
plenty.
A
A
See
blue
Mary
consideration
of
the
plan
of
lots
two
and
three
o'clock
Alexander
crossing
Plaza,
the
antennas,
commercial
disappoint,
ninety-two
acre
tract
located
east
of
Bartlett
and
west
of
D
and
J
Alexander
subdivision
unit
20
the
rezoning
for
the
tulip
development
is
b3.
The
proposed
action
is
approved,
subject
to
the
following
comments
from
planning,
engineering,
modern
utilities
and
a
notice.
The
developer.
A
Of
comments,
thank
you
motion
in
a
second
all,
those
in
favor
aye.
Those
against
motion
carries.
Thank
you.
The
next
item
is
a
preliminary
consideration
of
the
plateau
block
one
block
three
Alexander
crossing
Plaza,
the
antennas
commercial.
This
is
a
one
acre
tract
located
west
of
the
NJ
elexander
subdivision
unit
20
and
north
of
University
Boulevard.
The
zoning
for
this
one,
not
development,
is
art
to
the
proposed
action
is
approved,
subject
to
the
following
comments
from
planning,
engineering,
water
and
utilities,
and
a.
A
The
motion
in
a
second
all
those
in
favor
aye,
all
those
against
motion
carries
thank
you.
The
next
item
is
going
to
be
tabled
already,
so
we
go
to
item
8,
F
preliminary
consideration
of
the
plan
of
godless
properties,
the
antennas
commercial.
The
site
is
a
two
point:
seven
one
acre
tract
located
north
of
FM,
1472
and
east
of
Copper
Mine
Road,
the
zoning
for
this
one
lot.
Development
is
AG.
The
proposed
action
is
approved,
subject
to
the
following
comments
from
planning
engineering,
water
utilities
and
a
notice
to
developer
from
planning,
engineer
record
mr.
custody.
A
A
Do
we
have
a
motion
to
that
effect?
Make
a
motion
to
approve
second
motion.
The
second
all
those
in
favor,
aye
I,
was
against.
Motion
carries.
Thank
you.
The
next
item
is
10.
B
final
consideration
of
an
adaptive
play
tennis,
commercial.
This
is
a
point
267
acre
tract
and
it's
located
south
of
Delmar,
Boulevard
and
east
of
I-35.
A
These
only
for
this
one
lot
development
is
b3.
The
track
is
located
in
district
5.
The
proposed
action
is
approval.
Make
a
motion
to
approve.
We
have
motion,
we
have
a
seconds
like
any.
Second,
all
those
in
favor
aye.
All
those
against
motion
carries.
Thank
you.
The
next
item
is
discussion
of
possible
action
regarding
the
state
participation
in
the
development
of
a
homeowners
association.
A
B
A
H
Creation
within
the
city
of
some
some
kind
of
the
department
or
as
part
of
the
departmental
responsibility
to
work
with
these
neighborhood
associations
and
homeowners
associations.
This
was
brought
to
my
attention
by
Commissioner
flooded,
so
he
may
want
to
say
a
little
bit
more
about
it.
But
apostle,
for
example,
is
this.
This
information
came
to
us
from
his
research.
H
Obviously
has
an
ordinance
that
talks
about
that
and
sort
of
gives
us
good
approval.
If
you
will
from
that
from
the
city
to
these
different
types
of
civic
associations,
neighborhood
associations,
neighborhood
coalition's,
recognize
their
pet
associations
so
forth
to
be
recognized
by
the
by
the
city.
Then
there's
a
some
steps.
They
have
to
take
to
be
recognized
and
so
forth,
but
I
think
part
of
the
problem
with
pardon
what
may
be
is
and
I'm
just
speculating.
Cuz
I
haven't
had
a
lot
of
discussion,
mister
mister
but
I
think
the
driving
force
or
the
driving
agenda.
H
How
to
you
know,
make
sure
things
get
done
and
a
lot
of
times
they
they
don't
understand
you
lien
process
for
getting
the
dues
and
stuff
like
that,
so
they
don't
have
any
cash
and
so
they're
kind
of
stuck
with
a
non
functional
entity
and
I
think
the
city,
and
he
just
maybe
what
mr.
flutters
is
thinking
all
the
hymns
would
be
to
it
in
a
minute.
You
can
confirm
a
modifier
and
tell
me
I'm
wrong.
H
Is
it
a
good
position
to
assist
them
to
be
organized
to
be,
you
know,
active
to
prefer
their
own
their
own
areas?
This
creates
a
lot
better
environment
in
the
neighborhood
and
the
city.
It
has
the
I,
think
the
expertise
or
can
have
the
expertise
to
help
them
form
these
associations
up
to
where
they're,
viable
and
I'm
positive
and
I'll.
Let
mr.
flood
is
filling
all
the
blanks
for
you
share.
G
Some
information
sure
yeah,
of
course,
that
lets
you
I
guess.
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
first
of
all
thank
the
city
staff
for
bringing
this
agenda
item
tonight.
I
appreciate
that
the
I'm
gonna
just
give
that
a
little
historical
background
sort
of
like
how
I
arrived,
but
while
you're
here
the
first
thing
was
when
I
read
the
original
master
plan
or
I
guess
comprehensive
plan
for
the
city.
G
Look
the
one
that
predates
this
one
and
one
of
the
first
things
that
it
talked
about
is
that
in
order
for
that
comprehensive
plan
to
be
successful,
you
needed
community
buy-in,
okay
and
I
think
that
the
city
did
a
great
job
in
this
new
comprehensive
plan
in
trying
to
engage
the
city.
But
unfortunately,
in
that
process
it
was
probably
a
lot
of
the
same
people
going
to
the
same
meetings.
People
that
are
really
engaged
and
so
I
felt
like
or
if
I
believed
and
I
may
be
wrong.
G
But
you
know
have
any
empirical
data
for
it,
but
there's
so
many
people
that
live
in
neighborhoods
who'd
like
to
see
how
their
neighborhoods
are
developing
or
have
ideas
of
what
how
their
development
efforts
can
develop.
Do
you
attend
any
of
the
meetings
didn't
show
up
to
these
things
just
because
either
they
didn't
know
about
it
or
there's
just
not
something
that
they're
used
to
so
going
back
to
that
original
complaint
from
the
90s.
G
It
said
one
of
the
keys
for
the
success
of
that
compliment
was
community
right,
so
the
Neighborhood
Association
is
a
way
for
the
city
to
go
into
communities
and
organize
meetings
to
talk
to
them
about
the
comp
plan.
Talk
to
them
about
master
plans
for
their
neighborhoods
talk
to
them
about
services
that
they
would
like
to
see
from
the
city.
G
Is
there
also
a
great
vehicle
for
creating
what
I
call
inner
government
or
governmental
partnership
just
like,
for
instance,
like
you,
I'll
give
you
an
example
like
let's
say
you
had,
some
Tonino
had
a
neighborhood
association
and
they
said
look
we
would
like
to
have
access
to
computers.
We
would
like
to
have
access
to
some
resources,
and
so
then
the
city
could
come
with
the
school
district
and
meet
with
the
neighborhood
associations
and
say:
okay:
what
services
are
we
providing
as
a
city?
G
What
services
are
the
school
district,
providing
as
a
district
and
have
a
shared
services
agreement
with
that
neighborhood
association,
so
that
more
people
would
have
access
like,
let's
say
to
technology,
for
instance,
so
the
neighborhood
association
becomes
a
vehicle
for
that
particular
neighborhood
to
come
together
and
talk
about
their
community.
It
has
some
parameters
of
like
how
you
what
you
have
to
do.
G
Different
cities
have
different
parameters,
but
basically
the
parameters
of
what
it
is
that
you
need
in
order
to
create
a
neighborhood
association
and
they
have
some
requirements
of
maintaining
it,
and
then
that
becomes
a
vehicle
for
those
neighborhoods
to
do
this.
Now
there
is
already
one
neighborhood
association
that
has
existed
in
Laredo
for
some
time
now
and
that's
in
the
st.
G
Peters
neighborhood,
and
that
was
created
by
a
guy
that
used
to
serve
on
this
commission,
a
guy
named
Kwan
service
gentleman,
Deva
and
some
of
the
people
that
are
over
there
and
they
and
they
have
been
very
successful
and
like
that
neighborhood.
The
Saint
Peters
neighborhood,
is
a
really
great
example
of
a
neighborhood
that
would
need
a
neighborhood
association
because
it
has
beautiful
old
homes.
It
has
historic
homes.
You
know
they
may
you
know
like
now.
They
developed
a
new
restaurant
class.
I
hope
is
there,
you
know.
G
So
these
are
things
that
you
know
they're,
trying
to
beautify
their
area
they're,
trying
to
make
it
a
vibrant
part
of
the
city.
So
these
neighborhood
associations
are
really
a
great
way
of
doing
that.
Other
cities
like
at
Bosco,
like
McAllen,
Seattle
other
cities,
major
cities.
What
they
do
is
they
will
have
a
department
that
is
dedicated
to
helping
communities,
develop
the
neighborhood
associations
they
sort
of
walk
them
through
the
rules
and
regulations
of
how
you
need
form
one.
What
meetings
are
for?
You
know
how
you
operate
your
meetings?
G
What
are
services
that
the
city
can
provide
to
that
Neighborhood,
Association
and
the
whole
point
is
to
empower
neighborhoods
that
exist
right
now
that
don't
have
this
type
of
structure.
Now
a
Neighborhood
Association
is
different
from
a
homeowner's
association.
A
homeowner's
association
is
in
new
subdivisions,
they
have
HOA
fees
and
mr.
prend
was
correct
a
lot
of
times.
The
developer
will
create
it.
They'll
have
an
each-way,
but
then,
like
you
know,
one
runs
it.
G
They
don't
really
have
any
meetings,
they
don't
have
any
kind
of
support,
and
the
consequence
of
that
is
that
the
standards
that
are
set
out
for
how
that
neighborhood
is
supposed
to
look
and
feel,
and
we
are
really
not
accomplished.
So
this
is
another
idea
of
you
know.
How
do
you
as
a
neighborhood,
develop
that
neighborhood
into
the
future,
maintain
that
neighborhood
in
this
present
situation
and
it's
a
major
economic
driver,
I
think
or
it
could
be
a
major
economic
driver
for
the
city?
Why?
Because
people
want
to
move
into
neighborhoods?
G
That
are
great,
you
know,
and
so,
if
you
can
redevelop
with
downtown's
like
like
the
st.
Peters
area
and
then
I'm
a
I'm,
someone
from
out
of
town
moving
into
the
city
and
now
I
can
live
in
this
neighborhood
because
I
like
the
store
homes,
I
might
do
that
in
the
Neighborhood
Association
in
place
might
be
doing
things
in
order
to
develop
that,
so
it
does
have
an
economic
driver
component
to
it.
G
You
know
people
want
to
live
in
great
cities
in
great
cities,
have
great
neighborhoods
and
so
right
now,
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
neighborhoods
in
our
cities
in
this
city
that
could
be
developed.
You
know,
and
so
one
of
the
comments
here
is
like
they're
there
to
help
create
master
plans
for
the
neighborhood
they're
there
to
help
preserve
the
neighborhood.
G
You
know,
I
think
it's
important
and
III
think
that
we
should
consider
recommending
that
City
Council
adopt
an
ordinance
and
develops
a
neighborhood
association
department,
or
at
least
an
office
within
the
city
managers
to
office
and
then
come
up
with
a
city
ordinance
for
our
community
and
for
them
to
develop
the
new
associations.
Why.
A
Well,
the
key
issue
is
gonna,
be
one
yeah
is
being
able
to
I,
don't
know
how
much
staff
that
were
taken.
That's
that's
one
of
the
key
things.
You
need
staff,
you
need
office,
you
need
vehicle,
you
need
a
budget
and
you
are
in
the
budget
cycle
right
now.
So
that
would
be
something
that
right
now
I
say:
I,
don't
know.
A
The
budget
of
the
city
is
always
tight,
they're
always
cutting
budgets
right
and
then,
but
that
would
be
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
it's
a
great
idea,
but
I
think
we
need
to
figure
out.
There's
some
questions.
I
got
a
lot
of
questions,
for
example,
I
like
the
idea,
but
I
got
a
lot
of
questions
up
taking
an
old
neighborhood
like
the
heights,
who
would
take
the
lead
before
me?
A
You
know
what
I
mean
and
then
the
biggest
question
that
I
have
is
what
kind
of
power
would
the
city
have
in
some
of
these
issues?
If
you
got
into
civil
litigation,
like
we've,
had
in
in
some
of
these
subdivisions
right
now,
we
had
that
in
Lakeside,
we've
got
a
potential
coming
up
in
another
one,
there's
two
or
three
right
now
that
I
know
that
are
either
litigation
because
of
the
financial
part
or
things
not
be
done
correctly
and
stuff.
H
Will
come
together,
there
are
some
things
that
come
to
mind
and
and
I
think
understand
with
what
Commissioner
Flores
is
saying
is
that
you
know
newer
developments,
the
development
comes
in
and
he
he
establishes
a
homeowners
association.
Okay
and
I
mean
it
pays
dues,
take
care
of
common
areas
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff-
and
those
are
fine-
I
mean
they.
They
generally
work
and
run
themselves
or
you
know
the
the
residents
running.
They
have
their
president
and
all
SM,
but
those
are
fairly
new
creations.
H
You
know
I
mean
you
know
in
the
scope
of
things:
they're
they're
fairly,
new
they're,
they're
young
and
not
all
neighborhoods.
Not
all
subdivisions
have
HOAs
the
heights,
for
example,
this
Cruces
all
these
different
areas,
thick
parts
of
the
city-
do
not
have
homeowners
associations.
Now,
homeowners
associations
are
binding,
they're
legally
binding,
you
know
entities
but
a
Neighborhood
Association
is
is,
is
not
legally
binding,
but
what
it
is
is
it's
a
group
of
people
who
are
interested
in
their
neighborhood.
They
want
to
see
it
and
prove
they
want
to
see
certain
things.
H
So
what
I
glean
from
that
is,
it's
less
formal
than
an
HOA
there's,
no
dues
associated
with
it
or
anything
like
that,
but
it's
a
way
of
getting
community
or
a
neighborhood
involvement
and
in
some
common
interest
together
and
when
you
start
to
recognize
those
associations,
they're
defining
a
neighborhood
for
you
like
they'll,
come
in
and
let's
say:
here's
where
the
heights
neighborhood
association,
they
what's
your.
What's
your
boundaries,
then
where's
the
heights,
because,
depending
upon
who
you
talk
to
the
heights,
is
you
know
it's
just
some
more
tha's
area?
That's
there
and
it's
well.
H
That's
really
enough
to
Heights,
you
know,
I
mean
I,
look
at
it
one
way,
and
somebody
else
looks
at
it
another
way
and
in
fact,
there's
a
there's.
A
the
master
plans
process
is
going
on
not
master
plan,
but
the
district
plans
for
districts,
3,
&
4,
going
on
and
one
of
the
first
questions
was
where's.
The
heights
I
mean
what
is
the
heights,
what
all
is
there?
So
they
had
a
big
meeting
and
they
had
people
come
in
and
say
we
think
it's
here.
We
think
it's
there
and
they
created
this
map.
H
That
shows
where
most
people
think
the
parameters
of
the
heights
is
to
make
that
whole
thing
understandable
that
that
area
that
we
get
the
most
consensus
for
being
the
Heights
area
would
be
the
boundaries
of
the
Neighborhood,
Association
and
all
those
folks,
and
there
would
then
be
contacted
and
say
hey
of
a
neighborhood
association.
The
city
is
going
to
provide
a
kind
of
others.
The
boxing
center
or
the
heights
I
mean
Kane's.
Rec
center
would
have
a
meeting
we're
going
to
talk
about
your
neighborhood,
we're
going
to
talk
about.
What's
going
on
in
your
neighborhood.
H
Let's
get
on
a
mailing
list,
let's
do
all
the
stuff
in
this
city,
which
sort
of
offers
some
services
what
I'm
understanding
here.
So,
for
example,
the
zoning
there's
going
to
be
a
zoning
change.
Well,
normally
you
only
zone,
you
only
notify
people
within
200
feet,
but
you
can
also
notify
the
Neighborhood
Association
and
send
them
a
notice
and
say:
hey
guys.
There's
you
know
there's
this
move
on.
H
To
put
you
know
something
right
here
and
you're
in
your
neighborhood:
it's
not
within
200
feet
of
your
house,
but
it's
you
know
by
law,
but
it
gets
that
word
out
and
then
more
people
are
aware
of
what
what's
happening
and
what
the
changes
are.
What's
you
know
do
they
do
they
think
it's
good?
They
think
it's
bad.
They
may
be
inspired
to
come
and
speak
to
the
pnz
kind
of
Commission.
H
The
other
thing
that
that
it
can
do
is,
if
you
know,
if
there's
there's
some
problems,
they
can
have
a
meeting
once
a
year
or
once
every
six
months
at
a
public
facility
and
invite
everybody
and
say
hey,
let's,
you
know.
Sometimes
the
councilman's
have
these
these
town
hall
meetings
and
they
call
Murray,
but
this
would
just
be
that
back
for
that
association
we
get
to
the
other
and
say:
we've
got.
You
know
this
problem.
H
These
parks
aren't
being
kept
up
or
there's
a
big
drainage
problem
here,
there's
a
water
proof,
you
know
whatever
and
they
can
express
that
directly
to
the
city
and
they
can
talk
about
it
among
themselves
and
kind
of
get
that
word
out
and
possibly
things
can
be
done.
Safety
issues,
traffic
issues,
things
like
that
can
all
be
handled
through
the
Neighborhood,
Association
and
I
think
it
comes
with
a
lot
more
credibility
when
you
have
an
association
where
a
bunch
of
people
they're
saying
all
saying
the
same
thing,
yeah
is
a
problem.
Okay,.
G
G
G
So
what
I
love
about
this
particular
definition
of
who
can
be
members
is
that
it
includes
business
owners
and
owners
and
owners,
representatives
and
I
think
that's
an
important
point,
because
it's
not
just
people
living
in
the
neighborhood,
but
it's
also
businesses
that
are
investing
in
the
neighborhood
you
know
and
so
that
they
can
coordinate
with
that
neighborhood
to
provide
services
for
that
community
like,
for
instance,
the
Heights
is
a
great
example.
It's
actually
of
the
best
example,
because
the
heights
is
really
an
upper-middle-class
to
wealthy
area
of
the
city.
G
That
has
a
lot
of
potential
for
attracting
people
who
are
moving
into
the
city
right.
I
love
that
neighborhood
the
Heights.
You
know
now
imagine
if
the
Heights
had
like
its
own
neighborhood
bar
had
its
own
neighborhood.
Restaurants
had
its
own
neighborhood.
You
know
these
things
that
they're
starting
to
develop
in
those
areas,
but
they
haven't.
G
But
maybe
you
never
really
have
that
development
until
you
have
some
guy
who's
going
to
develop
it
thirty
years
from
now,
but
if
a
Neighborhood
Association
gets
together
and
then
Europe
you're
Raul
and
you
want
to
come
in,
you
know,
mess
some
money
in
the
heights.
You
go
to
the
Neighborhood
Association
and
you
get
feedback
from
them
of
what
it
is
that
community
wants.
Now
you
have
an
inside
track
into
what
kind
of
development
or
what
kind
of
investment
you
can
make
in
that
community
and
then
the
entire
city
benefits
everyone
benefits.
G
G
It's
amazing:
if
they
had
a
neighborhood
association
like
they
could
get
better
organized
and
then
they
could
invite
the
entire
city
I
think
they
could
make
that
open
to
the
city
and
that
could
be
part
of
the
city's
cultural
festivals
and
people
come
to
la
novia,
every
Christmas
to
come
to
those
nine
nights
of
Posadas
and
partake
in
that
event,
and
it
would
which
is
something
none
of
us
know
about
now,
because
there
is
no
way
for
us
to
know.
These
are
the
kind
of
things
that
neighborhood
associations
do.
G
They
bring
communities
that
bring
neighborhoods
to
life.
You
know
and
that's
what
so
I
understand
that
there
may
be
a
budget
question
and
maybe
what
we
really
need
to
do
is
ask
Nathan
to
find
out
what
the
city
of
El
Paso
has
invested
like
how
like
kilometers
cost
them,
or
maybe
the
city
of
McAllen
and
kind
of
what
the
budget
item
is.
So
that
way
when
we
present
it
to
the
city,
assuming
you
all
are
interested.
A
A
Are
ways
to
handle
it?
Okay,
there
are
ways
to
handle
it.
That
is
just
the
city
manager's
budget.
We
can
still,
as
a
commission,
make
a
recommendation
to
the
City
Council
and
the
mayor
and
saying
hey.
This
is
something
that
we
think
it's
worth
looking
into.
We've
got
staff.
It's
looked
into
a
budget.
Can
you
find
where
I
just
got
thrown
around
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
get
this
thing
going?
A
You
know
and
I
think
it
has
merit
I
think
we
need
to
take
this
board
on
two
different
ways
that
I
think
there's
already
a
lot
of
areas
that
have
homeowners,
associations,
okay,
but
there's
a
lot
of
areas
that
don't
and
I
think
in
the
areas
that
don't
the
easiest
way
to
get.
Him
started
this
into
a
neighborhood
association,
because
the
minute
you
tell
people
it's
$50
a
month,
he
lost
okay
and
you
know
so
there
are
going
to
be
parts
of
the
community
that
I
agree
with
you.
A
You
know
you
have
another
vieira
and
you
know
it's
quite
throwing
at
one
time
way
way
back
when
I
was
in
Community
Development.
We
had
everybody
in
the
in
the
city
of
Laredo
identified
in
a
map
represented
and
there
was
like
50
or
60
bottles
in
the
names.
Everything
and
I
don't
know
whatever
happened
to
that
map,
but
I
think
it's
time
to
leave
him.
Something
again
like
that.
In
my
opinion,
I
mean
that's
I.
A
Think
I
think
your
idea
has
a
lot
of
Merit
in
in
terms
of
bringing
that
forth
my
neighborhood
to
meet
the
goals
of
the
new
comprehensive
plan,
which
is
mostly
going
back
to
the
older
neighborhoods,
where
you
have
like
the
saying.
I
got
a
neighborhood
bar.
You
know
a
little
bit
down
the
street
here
where
it
works,
where
it
fits.
I've
got
a
restaurant,
maybe
whatever
an
antique
shop
or
whatever
little
entire.
C
If
we
can
create
a
board
or
this,
this
committee
can
actually
start
looking
at
the
options
to
create
that
type
of
community
and
neighborhood
members
Madison
as
homeowners
association,
because
that's
that's
different
I
have
creative
made
many
combinations
association,
the
developments
and
those
are
subjective.
People
are
subject
to
those
particular
rules
and
regulations
that
are
that
are
covered
in
in
section
21,
and
it
takes
the
property
code.
C
So
there's
there's
already
certain
tools
that
guide
the
homeowners
associations
in
recognize
them,
whether
they
they
stand
by
those
help
or
not
that's
a
different
story,
because
some
of
them
they
have
problems
because
I
have
any
money.
Now,
if
we
do
it,
if
we
approach
the
community
and
try
to
create
a
prototype
plan,
then
why
only
a
CD
and
create
a
budget,
and
they
do
nothing
about
it.
We
see
the
community
turns
around
and
say:
well,
actually
you
made
a
recommendation
and
all
we
did
was
spend
money.
C
Please
tell
me
we're
not
interesting
know
that
so
I
believe
that
we
need
to
create
a
certain
form
approach.
They
are
the
community
and
identify
the
leaders
that
will
help
this
particular
board
or
community.
To
bring
this
to
the
owner
because
they
have
to
approve
it
sound
great,
but
some
of
the
areas
in
reading
their
pickup
bounders.
This
is
this
is
where
I
live.
This
is
Heights
that
Street
Western
Heights.
Why
are
we
gonna?
C
It
has
a
homeowner's
association
and
that's
very
sad,
because
people
are
not
educated,
I
mean
they
actually
put
stuff
before
them
and
they
can't
they
don't
even
know
what
they
put
that
I
personally,
if
I
would
have
read
this
before
I
would
be
more
prepared
than
not
a
presentation
here,
but
for
whatever
reason
it
was
not
brought
to
us,
but
it
doesn't
really
matter.
The
idea
is
great.
Okay,
but
but
I
feel
I'll
be
just
one
minute.
A
The
answer
your
question
on
hardball
with
the
city
be
I
believe
a
lie
is
on
is
really
looking
at
here.
You
have
a
person,
who's
gonna
have
to
go
out
there
and
define
neighborhoods
number
one
in
conjunction
with
the
people
who
live
in
that
area,
to
define
what
is
this
neighborhood?
What
is
it
called?
All
right,
that'd
be
number
one
to
get
started.
A
G
Page
seven
is
the
page
seven,
it's
an
outline,
a
list
of
what
the
city
will
provide
the
Association.
Okay
first
thing
is
a
current
list
of
city
departments,
respective
department
heads
corresponding
telephone
numbers
in
such
information.
Well,
that's
already
on
their
website
right.
So
that's
like
not
like
I
mean
you're,
not
gonna,
admit
you
haven't
spent
a
million
dollars.
G
Sorry
there,
for
that
I
mean
you
already
have
that
that's
one
too,
so
the
name
a
neighborhood
may
decide
they
want
to
do
a
newsletter
right,
so
they
will
help
to
create
it
and
and
they
will
help
to
give
information
in
order
to
keep
that
newsletter.
With
current
information
with
the
examiner,
yeah
and
then
seniority.
I
G
It's
like
it
doesn't
even
have
to
be
a
fool
like
you
know,
going
back
to
a
mr.
Minkus
in
commercial,
meaning
is
saying.
Maybe
this
maybe
the
first
step
is
to
to
recommend
that
the
city
adopt
an
ordinance
allowing
the
creation,
the
neighborhood
associations,
with
a
request
that
maybe
the
some
Department
include
the
services
that
are
here
so
that
it's
someone
that
would
already
be
working.
You
wouldn't
even
have
to
create
a
new
department.
It
would
just
be
providing
the
information
that
is
available
through
this
thing.
G
A
D
A
No,
when
we
had
the
the
model,
cities
was
that
late
sixties,
I
guess,
yeah
I
believe
that
there
is
something
that
there
might
be
an
ordinance
to
that
effect
from
that
area,
because
they
were
looking
at
different
neighborhoods
and
that
we're
looking
at
what
can't
be
done
in
neighborhood
associations.
You
may
want
to
see
if
anything,
pops
up
from
back
there,
because
there
might
be
an
ordinance
in
place
and
it
may
need
you
that
it
went
to
Community
Development
as
the
lead
agency.
There.
I
H
Active
everybody.
Let
me
just
put
it
this
way:
a
homeowner's
association
could
theoretically
also
be
a
Neighborhood
Association,
but
a
Neighborhood
Association
cannot
be
a
homeowner's
association.
All
right,
so
all
it
is,
is,
is
what
you're
doing
is
you're
targeting
a
group
of
people
who
have
the
same
community
sense
within
that
neighborhood
and
you
know
who
want
to
be
involved
in
their
neighborhood.
Basically
I
think
is
what
the
whole
thing
is.
So
I,
don't
think
you
need
an
organ
ordinance,
allowing
them
to
be
created.
H
I
think
what
you
do
is
you
have
an
organ
because
they
can
create
themselves
at
any
time.
I
mean
nobody
can
stop
you
from
creating
a
neighborhood
association.
If
you
walk
out
this
door,
you
go
to
your
neighborhood,
hey,
let's
do
an
association
boom.
You
know
you
can
people
together
and
arguably
you
have
a
neighborhood
association
because
they're
active
and
involved
in
what's
going
on
in
their
neighborhood
and,
however,
they
define
themselves.
This
ordinance
says
that
it's
a
group
of
100
people
or
more,
which
is
pretty
pretty
large.
H
H
You've
got
all
these
neighborhoods
that
are
identified,
so
you
got
to
find
people
in
each
other.
You
gotta
have
somebody
go
out
there
and
talk
up
to
eight.
This
is
what's
happening
right
now,
we're
offering
this
you
know.
Are
you
all
interested
in
having
a
neighborhood
association?
You'll
get
some
you'll
get.
Some
people
will
say
heck,
yeah
and
you'll
get
some
people
who
say
not
interested.
I
A
Say
1500
we
may
not.
We
may
just
if
we
could
shoot
this
back
to
community
development.
Okay,
the
department's
already
astounded
already
have
staff
all
right.
It's
just
a
matter
of
them.
They
have
to
do
neighborhood
meetings
anyway.
Part
of
their
consolidated
planning
process
dictates
that
they
have
to
have
neighborhood
meetings.
That's
already
there.
It's.
J
A
A
They've
got
services
that
can
offer
right
away
with
the
community,
develop
lock
grant
if
the
Neighborhood
Association
comes
together,
says
well,
you
know
what
our
streets
got
that
problem.
You
know
we
need
a
park
or
we
need.
You
know
community
center
or
something
there's
be
an
item
there.
You
also
exclude,
because
those
are
only
four.
G
Are
those
are
subdivisions
that
have
HOAs
now
they
can
they
have
that
structure
see.
Look!
Here's
the
issue!
Okay,
the
issue
is,
if
I
move
into
a
subdivision
with
an
HOA
and
there's
already
a
structure
in
place
to
keep
my
property
values
up
right
to
increase
my
property
violence.
Sorry,
but
if
I
live
in
a
neighborhood
that
has
no
organization
of
any
kind,
whether
an
HOA
or
Neighborhood
Association,
then
you
know
you
can
put
you
know
ten
tires
in
the
front
yard,
and
you
know
there's
nothing:
I
can
do.
I
G
G
H
Talking
about
where
you
have
an
a
when
you
have
an
employee
that
doesn't
there's
non
functioning,
all
that
if
the
city
reaches
out
and
says
hey,
you
all
want
to
create
a
neighborhood
association.
Again,
you
have
the
opportunity
for
them
to
have
that
question:
hey.
We
have
an
HOA.
What
do
we
do
and
you
can
work
with
them?
The
other
thing
is:
is
those
those
areas
that
have
an
active
HOA?
That's
who
you
go
to
also
for
your
neighborhood
association
and
you
put
them
on
your
list
and.
H
G
Right
and
so
you
buy
the
land
subject
to
those
conditions,
and
so
one
of
them
is
that
you're
gonna
have
an
HOA
fee
right,
the
Neighborhood
Association.
It's
not
like
that
here
they
will,
whatever
the
rules
are
like
a
hundred
or
50
people
or
25
people,
whatever
we
decide
and
they
organize,
and
they
will
petition
to
say,
will
you
recognize
this
in
the
city
says
yeah,
you
meet
all
the
requirements
now
they
want
now
later
they
want
to
undo
it.
They
don't
think
you
know
the
next
generation,
they
don't
care.
H
Ordinance
actually
has
things
that
address
that
I
was
looking
through
it
like
if
they
have
to
file
an
annual
report,
and
it
says
if
they're
still
active,
but
if
they
don't
holdin,
these
just
slide
off
the
list,
and
then
he
would
be
up
to
that
person
that
the
city
has
has
designated
to
just
kind
of
go
out
there
and
check
and
say
hey.
You
all
did
or
you
still
why
you
still
interested
what's
going
on
and
bring
them
back
in
or
not
I
mean
it's
it's.
It's.
G
A
A
We
can
give
you
some
guidance
but
right
now,
and
what
I
would
think
is
that
knowing
what
I
know
about
having
worked
for
the
city
and
the
budget
process,
once
I
read
through
all
this
literature,
it
might
be
easier
to
see
we
can
take
anymore,
my
Community
Development,
to
be
in
charge
of
this
okay.
I
mean
that
would
be
my
guess.
G
We
can
do
this
really.
Why
don't
we
do
like
a
small
committee
like,
maybe
you
me
and
one,
and
we
can
like
sit
down
so
that
we
and
then
we
can
make
a
recommendation
at
the
next
move
at
the
next
full
PNC
meeting
we
can
meet
in
between
kind
of
look
at
this
stuff.
We
can
do
that
and
then
make
a
recommendation
for
everyone
to
vote
on
everything.
I
J
G
A
I
think,
oh
my
god,
I
can't
believe
we
need
to
do
a
little
bit
of
research,
I
think
a
lot
of
the
questions
that
may
have
surfaced
or
that
will
surface
after
we
read
this.
We
may
have
some
answers
for.
If
we
talk
to
community,
we
can
come
to
me
and
you
know
we
will
invite,
do
let's
see
and
unfortunately
have
much
any
people.
So
a
lot
of
the
historical
information
is
gone
from
there,
but
that
was
the
department
that
handled
this
kind
of
stuff.