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Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Committee Meeting 090820
A
B
B
A
Very
good,
so
then,
the
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
minutes
approval
of
the
minutes
of
several
of
the
past
meetings.
You
sent
us
three
attachments
for
three
meetings
and
I'm
not
sure
what
the
dates
were
on
those
now
they
have.
You
mentioned
on
this
march,
17th
july,
14th,
30th
and
8th
august
18th
were
those
when
you
said
three
attachments.
B
Yes,
so
what
happened?
Mr
chairman,
is
for
the
minutes
for
march
17.
As
you
recall,
we
had
some
after
march
17
we
didn't
meet
because
of
the
pandemic
right,
so
we
started
meeting
until
june.
9
was
the
first
meeting
after
the
pandemic.
Basically
so
on
june
9
we
were
going
to
approve
the
minutes
from
march,
which
was
the
last
meeting
that
we
had,
but
they
were
tabled
at
that
meeting.
So
we
did
not
approve
the
board,
didn't
approve
them,
I'm
sorry!
So
then
we
had
the
july
14
meeting.
B
We
were
able
to
approve
the
minutes
from
june
9th,
but
forgot
that
the
march
17
have
been
tabled.
So
that's
why
we're
bringing
them
back
because
they
didn't
get
approved
july
14..
So
as
of
right
now
we
have
the
march
17,
then,
on
july
30th
it
was
the
workshop.
It
was
tabled
to
approve
the
minutes
from
the
last
meeting
july
14..
So
now
we
have
two
minutes
that
we're
pending
to
approve.
Then
we
have
the
meeting
from
july
30th,
which
we
were
supposed
to
which
we're
going
to
approve.
B
B
A
D
A
All
right,
all
those
opposed
same
sign
motion
carries,
and
I
in
particular
I
appreciate
the
minutes
that
you
all
put
together
for
the
workshop.
I
thought
they
were
pretty
thorough.
I
certainly
encourage
us
if,
if
able
city
hasn't
seen
the
minutes
of
the
meetings,
I
encourage
able
city
to
review
them
now
that
they've
been
approved
because
they
have
some
very
specific
comments
and
instructions
that
I
think
will
be
useful
to
the
development
of
the
plan.
A
A
A
So
I
I
I'd
like
to
turn
the
the
presentation
over
to
able
city
who
is
going
to
show
us
the
result
of
the
workshop
and
their
synthesis
of
our
discussion
and
everything
and
our
comments
to
the
workshop,
not
the
results
of
the
workshop
itself,
but
our
comments.
The
following
meeting
to
the
workshop,
and
I
will
say
that
able
city
for
the
record,
able
city
called
a
committee
meeting
non-quorum
committee
meeting
just
to
review
and
discuss
some
of
the
ideas
they
presented
on
hand.
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
Plan
that
would
take
as
a
reference
point
those
trees
that
already
exist
there
at
the
on
the
street.
Some
we
suggest
some
plaza
lighting,
maybe
in
reference
to
the
well.
Just
as
you
know,
gaslight
lamps
are
very
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
districts
in
the
united
states
that
use
this
to
mark,
like
their
oldest
area,
they're,
they're,
very
popular
area,
so
a
good
place
to
do
it
would
be
at
the
just
within
the
plaza
of
san
jose
plaza.
E
E
E
This
what's
gonna
need
to
happen
is
an
inventory
of
this
area
of
the
street
of
what's
existing.
What
we
need
to
do
and
there's
going
to
be
okay
here
we
need
a
concrete
sidewalk
here.
We
need
to
add
some
trees
here
we
need
to
change
the
pavers.
It's
not
like
the
whole
thing
is
is
in
need
of
of
all
of
these
things,
so
we
have
to
go
in
there
and
methodically
look
at
each
of
these
streets
and
and
see
what
we
need
to
keep.
What
we
need
to
replace
what
we
need
to
add.
E
E
It
all
depends
on
on
this
kind
of
lighting
really
requires
an
entity
that
is
constantly
making
sure
that
they're
repaired
and
maintained
it
also
allows
if,
if
there
were
an
entity-
and
it
just
wasn't-
in
other
words
like
if,
if
you
connect
between
building
and
building,
which
is
what
is
shown
in
two
of
these
slides
on
the
left-
you
you
don't
have
to
put
poles
in
the
street
and
put
additional
poles
in
the
street.
But
that
requires
a
lot
of
of.
E
E
E
Today,
I
think,
is
possible
in
these
two
areas,
and
even
in
other
areas,
in
other
places
strategically
done
in
in
this
corridor,
you
can
do
a
parklets
program.
We
actually
do
have
a
a
parklets
draft
ordinance
that
was
put
together
a
few
years
ago.
It
didn't
move
forward,
but
we
we
have
one
in
this
particular
case.
It
would
be
the
owner
of
the
building
would
be
allowed
to
by
application,
put
a
parklet
and
and
use
it
as
part
of
an
extension
of
their
storefront.
E
This
is
actually
something
that
we're
also
discussing
with
san
antonio
on
houston
street
and
it's
a
way
of
of
allowing
the
owner
to
expand,
and
also
it's
great
because
they
have
to
maintain
it.
Of
course,
it's
maintained
with
a
list
of
standards
and
guidelines
and
of
what
you
can
put
there.
What
it
looks
like-
and
you
know
the
application
would
be
by
fee
and
I
think
it's
a
it's
helpful
to
the
business
owner
and
it
also
helps
to
activate
the
street.
A
lot
add,
add
the
lighting.
Add
some.
E
E
E
E
But
in
terms
of
improvements,
one
of
the
reasons
I
put
this
little
center
slide
in
there,
which
is
a
a
competition
that
was
done
by
los
angeles.
They
just
recently
finished
the
competition.
This
was
the
winning
entry,
they
are
replacing
200
000
street
posts,
lamp
posts
and
they
just
didn't
want
to
do
it
nearly
willy.
E
So
they
had
this
competition
and
they
said
the
post
had
to
be
versatile
and
this
this
entrant,
that
that
that
one,
this
entry
that
one
you
can
see
the
post
is,
you
know,
there's
a
there's,
a
lower
light,
there's
a
there's,
a
middle
section
for
banners
or
for
wreaths
or
whatever
time
they
have
one
with
a
clock
on
it.
They
have
different
ways
of
using
this
post
go
back
to
convent
street
and
we
have
these
this
light
post
existing
light
post
has
the
potential
of
well
there's
two
per
block.
E
They
alternate
from
one
side
to
the
other
and
they're
tall
enough.
They
are
a
50s
pole,
50s
or
60s
pole.
They
they're
actually
quite
nice.
The
top
is
always
you
know
there
was
that
that's
the
the
newest
iteration
of
the
post,
the
light
the
light.
The
that
comes
out
projects
out
that
can
be
changed,
but
a
a
look
to
see
of
how
to
activate
those
posts
so
that
they
actually
will
you
know
at
night
have
a
light
on
a
banner.
E
You
know
to
acclimate
that
post,
so
it
can
be
used
in
different
ways,
just
like
just
like
they're
doing
it
in
la,
because
you
know
the
difference.
The
thing
is:
is
that
there's
always
a
problem
between
on
these
posts,
the
post
dislikes
the
street,
but
what
happens
at
the
sidewalk
level?
You?
You
know
you're
you're,
basically
hampered
by
by
the
fact
that
you
have
a
canopy
and
does
this
is
the
store
open,
it's
usually
very
dark
or
the
canopy
doesn't
have
a
light.
That's
working!
E
You
know
all
those
things
come
into
play
on
these
sidewalks.
So
the
problem
is:
there's
not
enough
of
these
there's.
I
wish
there
were
more,
but
we
can
use
what
we
have
and
maybe
maybe,
as
time
goes
on.
You
know
elaborate
on
this
idea.
Further,
the
elevation
of
the
building
fronts
in
the
right
below
the
light
posts.
E
E
This
arrival
point
is,
is
very
important
in
terms
of
the
city,
the
state,
the
country.
This
is
where
the
rival
point
of
where
the
bridge
number
one
comes
in
and
all
these
pedestrians
come
from
mexico.
There's
no
arrival.
There's
really!
If
you
look
at
the
the
corner,
which
is
up
on
the
left-hand
side,
the
corner
of
convent
and
sarawasa
northeast
corner,
there's
a
shoe
source
company-
or
I
don't
know
if
that's
the
same
one,
that's
there,
but
it
used
to
be
payless.
E
But
this
is
not
a
historic
building.
It's
owned
by
an
estate,
it's
possible
that
maybe
that
some
discussions
could
be
could
be
made
with
with
the
estate
to
help
the
city
acquire
this
piece
of
property.
To
make
this
arrival
point
have
the
have
acquire
the
importance
it
needs
to
have,
so
much
could
be
done
if
if
this
building
were
taken
out
and-
and
you
know,
perhaps
it'd
be
an
open
space,
perhaps
it's
a
place
where
people
can
come
in
and
sit
down
and
have
a
drink?
E
E
Having
a
plan-
and
I'm
not
suggesting
that
it
you
know,
perhaps
you
know
some
kind
of
public-private
partnership.
However,
we
can,
but
I
I
think
it's
a
a
space
that
we
can.
If,
if
we
really
want
to
do
something
here,
it's
not
about
putting
another,
you
know
monument
sign
or
something
there
at
that
corner.
It's
not
going
to
help.
E
E
Okay,
so
this
is
all
those
little
dots
that
you
saw,
there's
there's
a
nodes
of
connectivity
which
are
really
intersections
important
intersections.
You
don't
you
know,
just
by
by
doing
the
intersections
along
a
street,
either
painted
or
with
pavers,
depending
on
how
you
want
to
differentiate.
Certain
places
will
do
a
lot
to
create
connectivity,
it's
a
really
good
beginning.
E
So
we
have
several
of
these
green
little
dots.
We
can,
you
know,
add,
add
more
on.
I
need
to
be
there.
We
have.
We
have
them
all
along
idalgo,
the
north
south
connection,
you'll
you'll,
walk
through
them
like
on
convent.
There
would
be
different
places
where,
where
you
would
connect
east
and
west
by
seeing
the
paving
change
on
the
intersection,
so
we
also
have
blue
dots
that
represent
the
big
monument
signs
that
that
have
that
are
telling
you
hey.
E
E
E
E
E
E
What
came
from
the
previous
meetings
was
was
an
interest
to
do.
The
sarah
was
a
street
entry
from
santa,
usually
to
essentially
half
of
the
project.
Is
there
the
other
half
that
was
on
the
for
vientiwa
was
going
to
be
a
parking
lot
that
hadn't
been
done,
but
there
was
a
a
a
monument
on
the
other
side
kind
of
a
gateway
sign
to
saragosa
street.
There
then
there's
the
iturbide
one,
there's
a
publicly
owned
piece
of
property
on
the
south
side,
which
is
a
parking
lot,
but
that's
owned
by
the
city.
E
That
is
really
that
street
picks
up
a
lot
of
traffic
from
south
florida.
It
connects
the
idago
street,
connects
through
azteca
all
the
way
to
south
laredo,
not
only
valuable.
You
have
to
turn,
but
you
end
up
at
that
at
that
intersection,
and
that
would
be
a
great
location
for
for
a
monument
sign
as
well.
What
it
looks
like
is
it
a
gateway?
Is
it
a?
Is
it?
Is
it
essentially
just
a
a
lit
vertical
sign?
E
E
E
E
Monument
sign
would
be
marking
either
close
to
the
to
the
overpass
to
lc,
or
maybe
it's
at
santa
maria.
I
don't
know
these
are
the
kinds
of
discussions
that
I
think
that
we
need
to
have
with
elsie
I
in
talking
to
dr
solis.
He
there
he
is
very
interested
in
connecting
the
college
to
downtown.
As
you
know,
it
has
its
constraints,
railroad,
overpass.
E
The
connections
have
have
been
severed
over
the
years
in
different
ways,
so
a
project
that
connects
the
college,
which
is
an
incredible
asset
for
for
the
inner
city
and
for
downtown
specifically,
is,
is
a
good
way
to
start
doing.
That
is
through
a
monument
sign
and
and
maybe
other
collegiate
type
things
happening
on
washington
street.
You
know
banner
program
of
some
sort,
that
kind
of
thing
with
some
posts
for
banners.
E
That
would
be
a
a
way
of
connecting.
I
believe,
that's
it.
The
next
slide
is
next
steps
and
and
then
we
can
go
back
and
discuss
it.
Whatever
we'll
go
back
to
the
slides
you
want
to
discuss,
but
we
believe
the
next
step
should
be
a
committee
meeting
with
marsh
darcy
on
program
financing
meet
with
city
manager's
office
to
review
work
and
action
plans,
thus
far
prepare
a
meeting
with
laredo
college
and
county
web
to
join
the
tours
inventory
of
existing
street
improvements
for
each
zone
and
provide
locations
for
new
improvements.
E
Begin
to
draft
standards,
prepare
an
opinion
of
probable
costs
or
repair
maintenance
per
zone,
prepare
a
draft
of
potential
grant
programs
and
meet
with
stakeholders
in
each
zone.
There's!
No!
It's
like
it's
not
first,
do
this!
Second,
through
that
it's
basically,
this
is
what
we
feel
are
the
next
step
in
a
totality.
E
E
E
E
F
F
If
we,
if
we
want
to
do
projects
in
all
these
zones,
it
feels
like
that
would
be,
it
would
dilute
the
amount
of
money
that
we
have
any
project.
We
consider
any
of
these
things
street
paper
signage.
One
of
the
questions,
I'd
always
ask,
is
how
how
would
this
get
businesses
to
to
either?
How
would
this
lead
to
reinvestment?
F
And
how
do
we
get
reinvestment?
Because
businesses
want
to
locate
here?
I
was
just
talking
to
this
weekend.
I
was
talking
to
a
a
business.
That's
leasing
some
property
in
the
in
one
of
these
zones
downtown
and
just
having
a
conversation
about
about
why
the
owner
of
the
business
decided
to
locate
in
the
downtown
and
has
it
been
what
he
thought
it
would
be
and
and
how
are
things
going
and
and
where
are
other
places
in
the
area
who's
considering?
F
And
you
know
it's
been
okay.
The
advantage
for
him
is
his
very
low
lease,
but
as
low
as
the
lease
is
there's
just
such
a
small
amount
of
activity
for
him,
and
this
was
pre
and
also
obviously
during
covet
by
street
proven
as
well.
And
this
is
not
it's
not
a
main,
it
was
once,
but
it's
it's
not
it's,
not
a
commercial
center
anymore.
You
know
we've.
F
We
we
made
land
use
decisions
a
long
time
ago
that
led
to
that
leaving
the
core
of
the
city,
and
so,
if
you
want
to
track
that
back
with
any
one
of
these
okay,
okay,
if
we're
going
to
do
victories,
we're
going
to
do
plaza
lighting
we're
going
to
do
street
pavers
here
at
this
location.
What's
that
going
to
do?
F
And
if
we
got
to
some
project-
and
I
know
we
don't
have
the
kind
of
money
where
maybe
we
could
be
hugely
directly
impacted,
but
let's
say
we
bought
a
building
and
like
that,
shoeless
bay
store
place
and
we
turned
it
into
parking,
and
I
know
that's
not
that's
not
the
most
beautiful
thing
in
the
world
that
we
want
to
see.
But
if
you
said
what
would
that?
How
would
that
impact
the
surrounding
businesses?
You
could?
F
You
could
imagine
being
parking,
be
an
issue
with
a
lot
of
these
businesses
that
that
would
directly
impact
the
businesses
nearby,
because
now
they'd
have
free
public
parking,
accessible
right
next
to
their
business,
so
that
would
have
a
direct
impact
on
those
property
owners
able
to
lease
their
spaces,
because
now
their
property
is
more
marketable
because
it
has
parking
right
nearby.
Now,
I'm
not
suggesting
that's
the
answer,
I'm
just
suggesting
that's
a
real
clear
nexus
between
what
we're
trying
to
do
what
the
purpose
of
this
board
is,
and
it's
sometimes
I
think
we
can.
F
E
F
It
can
be
it's
not
just
the
management
of
it.
It's
you
know
it
is
the
investments
and
even
small
ones
can
have
so
I
would
say
if
you
took
a
street
that
didn't
have
any
trees
on
it
and
you
put
trees,
you
created
a
tree
canopy
or
one
that
would
very
in
a
few
years,
create
a
tree
granite,
canopy
and
put
in
some
places
where
people
could
sit.
F
That
does
have
an
impact
if
it
leads
to
people
lingering
and
wanting
to
you
know,
locate
that
impact
may
not
be
as
direct
as
something
like
parking
and
it'd
be
harder
to
to
make
that
case,
but
that's
the,
I
think,
that's
one
of
the
challenges,
I'll
at
least
evaluate
the
improvements
we're
going
to
make
for
in
my
decision
will
be.
How
does
this?
How
does
this
make
a
business
more
successful
downtown?
How
does
this
attract
more
customers
for
that
business?
F
How
does
it
make
the
landlord
able
to
lease
that
property
make
it
more
marketable,
so
they
can
lease
it?
How
does
it
lead
to
more
reinvestment
in
those
buildings,
because
now
it's
it's
more
marketable?
They
can
make
more
money,
so
they're
going
to
put
a
little
more
into
it,
and
then
that
has
an
effect
on
on
the
properties
nearby
and
that's
the
kind
of
the
the
impetus
we're
looking
for.
If
we
can,
we
don't
have
to.
C
I
I'm
ju,
I
was
astounded
at
the
number
of
people
and
what
the
what
the
people
will
accept.
No
bathroom,
no
services,
nothing,
you
know
just
stand
in
this
line.
Nobody's
going
to
tell
you
anything,
no
one's
going
to
respect
that
you
that
you
may
have
a
need
right
and-
and
they
just
you
know,
that
all
those
people
in
that
line
have
money
in
their
pocket,
and
I
think
we
need
to
capitalize.
C
We
need
to
part
of
our
mission
might
be
to
make
the
area
look
like
it
like
it's
alive
again
like
it
matters,
and
I
think
viviana.
When
you
talked
about
those
the
the
wayfarer
signs
that
that
are
lit
up,
that
just
those
little
things
make
the
area.
Look
like
it's
not
just
a
dead,
forgotten,
ghost
town,
and
I
think
all
of
that
would
help
help
it
become
more
economically
viable.
F
F
The
the
way
that
I
would
make
the
decision
for
me
not
not
for
everybody
just
for
me
is
which
one
is
most
impactful
and
if
we're,
if
we're
looking
at
just
things
that
are
going
to
be
looking
at
the
aesthetics
which
ones
have
more
direct
impact
on
bringing
investment
affecting
businesses
leading
allowing
businesses
to
be
more
successful
downtown
so
that
when
that
somebody's
thinking
about,
should
I
lease
in
the
heights
or
should
I
lease
here
for
my
barber
shop
or
for
my
little
restaurant?
They
want
to
come.
They
want
to
come
downtown.
B
C
I
guess
I
guess
I'm
always
worried
about
putting
lipstick
on
a
pig.
You
know
that
we
really
don't
want
to
do
that.
You
know
just
because
we
think
we're
just
going
to
have
you
know
a
hundred
dollars
and
we're
just
gonna
spend
like
that,
instead
of
instead
of
planning
big
with
something
that
could
really
make
a
difference
and
and
kirby
really.
C
F
Actually
right,
you
hit
the
nail
exactly
what
I
was
trying
to
say
at
you,
get
it
an
issue
where
there's
a
problem,
so
let's
say
we
do
wayfinding,
but
but
that
was
never
an
issue.
Everybody
that's
walking
through
downtown,
like
you
said
they
already
know
where
they're
going
problem
is
they're,
not
stopping.
So
we
put
a
pretty
way
finding
that
shows
everybody
how
to
get
around,
but
that's
not
really
an
issue.
It's
not
like
people,
don't
know.
What's
not
down
there.
F
It's
I'm
not
saying
that
is
or
is
an
issue,
I'm
saying
if
it
wasn't
and
we
spent
the
money
on
wayfinding,
then
then
were
we
really
impactful,
but
if
there
are
a
bunch
of
people
going
around,
don't
know
where
things
are.
I
don't
think
that's
the
case
here,
but
if
it
were,
then
wayfinding
actually
would
affect
activity
drive
it
in
areas
where
people
just
didn't
know.
There
was
something
down
this
street
and
all
of
a
sudden.
Now
you
got
more
traffic
down
the
street
than
you
didn't
have
before.
F
So
that's
what
I
was
suggesting,
I'm
not
saying
any
one
of
these
are
bad.
I'm
just
saying
that's
my
ability
to
that's
what
I'm
using
to
evaluate
and
then
also
that
I
was
I
was
anticipating.
We
were
gonna,
have
an
area
of
focus,
and
then
we
were
gonna
talk
about
projects
in
in
that
area
of
focus.
This
still
looks
like
a
big
area
and
we're
still
talking
about
a
lot
of
options
so
that
that's
just.
C
Organized
group
and
our
councilman
thinks
this:
is
the
group
that's
going
to
make
the
difference
right
and
but
we
it
like,
like
like
henry
says
it
has
to
be
layers
of
groups,
it's
layers
of
of
decisions
and
and
whatnot
that
are
going
to
make
the
difference.
But
but
you
know
we
seem
to
be.
You
know
we're
the
only
ones
that
have
any
money,
even
if
it's
just
a
little
bit
of
money
right.
E
F
D
Next
steps
kirby,
I
I
would
like
to
point
out
that
you
know
the
meeting
with
call
it.
The
college
is
important,
but
meeting
with
them
right
now
at
this
point
is
not
going
to
come
into
any.
It's
not
going
to
provide
us
any
benefit
at
this
point
in
moment
with
what
we
want
to
kind
of
shoot
for
right
now,
with
the
funding
that
we
got.
D
F
Arthur
I'll
say
for
that
one,
I
think
that
that's
emotionally
not
connected
to
this.
We
do
need
to
have
that
conversation,
and
then
we
need
to
have
it
sooner
than
later.
The
reality
is,
they
probably
will
decline
like
they
have
already,
but
I'm
not
sure
really
somebody's
had
those
conversations
with
them.
So
let's
have
it,
and
I.
D
F
F
F
D
F
I
agree
we're
adding
a
bunch
of
things
in
here.
Maybe
we
don't
need
to
focus
on
yet,
but
that
one
is
important
and
we
don't
need
the
whole
committee.
We
just
need.
You
know:
cable
cities
and
one
or
two
of
us
to
try
and
make
the
case
to
them
and
I'll
volunteer
in
that
effort
and
henry.
If
you
want
to
come
with
me
and
then
you
know
me
and
you
and
and
viviana
and
and
mario
went
and
just
had
a
conversation.
F
D
G
E
E
A
No
I'll
point
out
something,
though
the
county,
the
county.
Remember
the
I'm
sorry.
The
church
originally
did
its
ma
its
numbers
with
the
college
in
mind.
If
you
recall,
I
believe
the
college
addition
to
the
terms
in
terms
of
financing
was
put
in
there
and
even
before
we,
the
church
board
was
formed.
There
was
some
discussion
that
was
going
on
it
just
never
materialized.
A
So
let
me
go
to.
Let
me
go
to
something
that
doodle
said,
and
I
think
it
also
goes
to
what
kirby
said.
To
be
honest,
both
of
you
said
something
that's
very
similar
kirby,
you
expected
to
see
something
a
little,
a
little
more
refined
in
terms
of
narrowness,
narrowing
it
down
to
what
the
focus
would
be,
and
I
think
there's
just
there's
some
truth
to
that,
except
that
able
city
took
everything
we
said
as
our
priorities.
You
know
which
we,
I
encouraged
everybody
to
narrow
it
down
to
three
priorities.
A
Unfortunately,
it
was
not
the
same
three
priorities
and
that's
what
you
have
the
zone
that
you
have.
I
I
do
agree
with
you.
I
think
it
needs
to
be
narrowed
a
bit
more
because
the
money
is
limited
as
much
as
we
want.
The
city
is
not
asking
for
another
super
plan:
downtown
economic
development
plan.
The
asking
deters
here's
the
money
you
have.
A
What
can
you
do
with
this
to
have
the
greatest
effect,
and
it
goes
to
what
arturo
is
saying
at
this
point
we
have
what
we
have
and
we're
gonna
ask
the
city
to
leverage
some
of
that,
maybe
through
bond
money.
If
that's
gonna
be
possible,
although
kirby,
you
yourself
have
mentioned
a
couple
of
times
that
you
don't
think
that
may
be
possible,
but
anyway,
we
need
to
present
this
to
the
board
to
the
to
the
city
as
a
whole.
I
think
the
next
iteration
is
to
narrow
this.
A
A
A
A
We
can
you
know
I
you
know
with
all
I'm
going
to
comment
on
the
paper
issue
able
city
we
can
argue
and
put
this
size
paper
versus
that
size,
paper
versus
the
triangle
ones
or
whatever,
and
uniformity
and
papers
isn't
going
to
cause
someone
to
say.
Okay,
the
papers
are
uniform,
I'm
going
downtown,
I
don't
I'm
not
saying
that
any
of
the
other
things
are
going
to
do
it
more
than
the
other,
but
I
think,
for
example,
lighting
in
trees
does
we've
talked
about
that
as
board
members?
A
So
what
the
next
step
really
is,
and-
and
I
know-
and
I'm
sorry
there's
so
many
steps
involved
here,
but
we're
we
this
is.
This
is
what
it
is
we
need
to.
We
need
to
look
at
this.
What
what
able
city
has
shown
us
and-
and
I
I
direct
the
comment-
also
to
carol
carol-
we
need
to
you
know
we
need
to
narrow
this
sure
everything
evil
city
has
shown
us
on
this.
Drawing
is
wonderful,
but
this
is
not.
This
is
not
an
eight
hundred
thousand
dollar
project.
A
So
we
have
to
decide
what
we're
going
to
be
recommending
as
a
board
to
move
forward
and
focus
on
and
and
kirby
has
said
already
himself.
His
feeling
on
this
is
that
we
we
have
investment
on
in
on
interview
street
and
we
need
to
add
more
investment
on
youtube
street.
I've
said
it
a
couple
of
times
that
I
believe
and
again
the
city
might
have
changed
its
opinion
on
this
subject
now,
but
originally
it
needed
to
connect
the
the
outlets
to
the
center,
create
a
walkable
area.
A
E
A
E
E
A
I
I
agree
with
you.
I
what
you
just
said
is
perfect,
because
this
distills
believe
it
or
not.
I
believe
this
is
an
improvement
over
what
we
were
talking
about
in
dream.
You
know
dreaming
about
even
a
few
months
ago
it
was
much
wider.
The
scope
was
much
further
and
you've
done
an
excellent
job
of
taking
what
we've
said
and
distilling
it
into
this.
I
like
this
very
much
now
we
need
to
go
to
the
next
step,
and
the
next
step
is
focus,
focus,
focus
unfortunately,
and
choose
one.
F
A
E
F
E
A
Yeah,
okay,
so
here's
an
idea
and
I'm
throwing
this
out.
I
really
want
comment
from
the
board
members,
but
you
know,
let's
take
the
intersection
of
convent
and
zaragoza
as
the
center
of
that
saragosa
project
and
go
a
block
to
a
block
and
a
half
down
to
create
the
connectivity
there
that
joins
the
plaza
and
the
hotel
to
the
outlets.
Okay-
and
that's
one.
A
G
E
G
F
F
I
think
what's
more
important
is
to
focus
all
of
it
in
one
place,
but
we
don't
have
to
do
both
if
we
don't
have
enough
to
make
a
meaningful
impact
in
one
I
mean
I
would
rather
see
it
all
go
to
zaragoza
than
to
split
it
up
between
the
two.
Because
look
I
mean
two
and
a
half
blocks.
That's
a
lot
for
the
amount
of
money
we
have
to
do.
D
E
F
I
think
that's
a
metric
to
think
about.
I
mean
I
don't
think,
there's
any
way
we
could
do
more
than
three
blocks
so
to
here's
two
and
a
half,
that's
pretty
much.
You
know
two
to
three
blocks:
that's
pretty
much
it
with
what
we've
got
to
make
a
meaningful
impact.
Now.
The
only
case
I
would
make
for
ether
ba
is,
if
you
put
that
so,
let's,
let's
just
go
with
me
and
say
yeah
kirby,
maybe
you're
right.
Maybe
we
only
have
enough
money
to
really
make
a
meaningful
impact
on
two
or
three
blocks.
F
Okay,
if
that's
true,
then
we
say:
okay,
where,
where
can
we
make
the
most
meaningful
impact?
Question
I
would
say,
is
okay.
Well,
one
place
would
be
where
you
have
the
most
retail
frontage
and
and
and
and
more
of
its
vacant.
So
ask
yourself
on
ether
beta
versus
zaragoza:
where
do
you
have
more
vacant
retail
spaces
that
could
be
occupied
by
a
business
or
under
underutilized,
so
maybe
something's
there,
but
could
be
something
better
or
more
activity
problem
without
agosa
is
you've.
You
know,
you've
got
the
hotel.
You've
got
the
plaza.
F
You
got
the
outlet
mall,
you
got,
you
got
buildings
that
are
already
occupied
they're
already.
You
know,
they've
got
activity
and
yeah,
maybe
there's
a
few
in
there
that
don't
but
ether
b
day,
there's
a
lot
of
underutilized
and
vacant
spaces
that
could
be
really
impacted
by
two
to
three
blocks
worth
of
investment.
So
I'm
I'm
I'm
just
trying
to
make
my
case,
but
whatever
we
do,
I
really
think
it's
folk.
We
should
focus
on
two
three
blocks.
F
C
A
I
would
believe,
I
would
say,
that's
correct,
but
that
was
also
at
the
time
recall
that
we
were
also
what's
left.
The
equation
is
the
conference
center
and
remember
the
idea
behind
a
lot
of
this
was
connecting
the
conflict
center
hotel
plaza
to
the
to
the
outlets,
so
that
people
could
have
a
more
friendly
pedestrian
kind
of
walk.
The
conference
center
is
gone.
C
A
H
And
and
the
idea
is
to
attract
businesses
and
we're
like
trying
to
say,
oh
well,
do
we
really
want
to
stay
down
here?
Okay,
one
of
the
last
businesses
left
one
of
the
few
last.
You
know
we
have
three
locations
there
and
I
I
I
I
it's
several
things
one
is
like:
who
are
we
trying
to
attract
like
the
the
the
you
know?
Yes,
we
have
a
huge
amount
of
pedestrian
traffic
huge
without
any
disposable
income.
H
So
that's
another
thing
like
they
come,
but
they
don't
spend.
They
don't
have
the
money
to
spend
they
buy.
You
know
little
things
very,
very,
very
low,
low
price
point
stuff,
not
enough
to
keep
hardly
any
businesses
alive
and
they're,
not
the
ones
that
are
going
to
be
hanging
out
on
its
street
either.
So
that's
one
factor
and
then
the
other
factor
is
that
no
matter
how
much
advertising
I
mean,
no
matter
social
media
newspaper,
you
name
it.
I
have
tried
it.
I
cannot
get
people
from
laredo
to
come
downtown
to
shop.
H
I
don't
care
what
you
can
give
stuff
away
and
they
still
won't
come.
A
huge
factor,
I
think,
is
the
parking.
I
I
I
I
agree
with
kirby
on
almost
everything
I
feel
like
a
lot
of
people.
Just
don't
want
to
go
through
the
hassle
of
driving
around
and
people
are
lazy.
Yes,
there's
public
parking
downtown,
but
people
are
just
kind
of
lazy.
They
don't
want
to
walk
three
blocks.
H
So
if
the
idea
is
to
attract
businesses
like
salon,
owners
or
nail
shops
or
just
small
businesses,
parking
is
an
issue,
and
then
it's
like
who
then
then
that
the
other,
the
other,
I
guess
level
would
be.
Okay,
do
we
want
to
attract
laredo
ones
who
want
to
go
downtown
because
there's
events-
and
you
know
like
the
farmers
market
or
the
you
know,
whatever
events
you
would
want
and
and
have
this
beautiful
area
to
host
these
things
and
businesses
in
and
around
that
area
would
benefit
like.
H
I
think
that
that
the
locations
right
next
to
the
the
cathedral
are
great
ones
and
huge
ones.
The
one
in
front
of
our
store
is
beautiful
and
empty.
So
I
I
my
I
feel
like
I
would
want
to
make
the
the
the
mall
as
a
fringe
thing,
but
I
would
want
to
I
feel,
like
spending
the
money
on
saravosa,
where
la
posada
is
where
the
cathedral
is,
where
the
historic
district
is.
H
I
think
that,
as
a
laredo
one,
I
would
go
down
there
to
you
know
to
I
just
I
feel
like
we
need
a
real
bang
for
our
buck
or
we're
gonna
get
murdered
at
the
end
of
this
they're
going
to
say
where
they
spend
the
money.
You
know
what's
this
board
for
and
that's
how
I
feel
I
feel
like.
We
really
need
a
bang
for
our
money
or
it's
just
going
to
not
be
a
very
especially
if
we're
trying
to
promote
other
people
to
come
on.
H
Like
lcc
and
stuff
people
like
that
they're
going
to
say.
Oh,
they
spent
their
money
here,
it's
not
going
to
show
where
we
spent
our
money
and
that's
that's
why
I
feel
I
think
saragosa
is
the
place
to
do
it,
because
it
would
be
a
really
nice
place
to
host
things
where
people
from
north
laredo
would
be
enticed
to
go
downtown
and
then
hopefully,
businesses
also,
because
I
think
you
know,
are
we
trying
to
just
attract
bars
and
restaurants
and
that's
it
well.
H
If
that's
the
idea,
then
it
should
just
only
be
to
be
there,
but
I
don't
think
that
that's
that's.
You
know
I
also
feel
like
it
will
be.
There
has
already
gotten
a
nice
facelift
and
I
think
just
doing
cool
lighting
on
that
street
would
make
a
huge
difference
and
we'd
call
it
done,
but
the
other
ones
not
so
much.
So
that's
that's
my.
G
E
D
A
I
think
what
we're
looking
at
that
viewing
the
results
of
our
comments
that
we
came
in
here
and
looking
to
narrow
this.
This
is
for
the
purpose.
I
mean
the
idea
here
being
that
what
we
see
here
is
a
nice
plan,
that's
distilled
what
we've
made
comments
on,
but
it
still
needs
to
be
just
it.
We
needed
to
spill
it
a
bit
more.
D
I
recently
I
really
liked
patty's
kind
of
interpretation
of
things
so
kind
of
like
supporting
what
carol
was
mentioning
that
the
key
priority
area
was
that
walkable
area
between
sarawak,
that's
always
been
the
target
market
over
the
target
area
to
initiate,
and
then
you
know
anything
else
after
that
we
had
talked
so
that.
Well
that
way,
we
could
have
some
spillover
on
some
other
areas
of
the
downtown.
So
that
way,
it
wouldn't
just
be
focused.
So
I
kind
of
support
what
patty
mentioned
so
okay.
G
E
That's
going
to
be
going
into
a
project
there.
The
plaza
theater
has
a
you
know
pretty
much
everything
around
the
the
the
center
is
in
is
in
pretty
good
shape
in
terms
of
paving
and
and
sidewalks,
and
things
like
that,
then
there's
the
just
the
extra
little
leg
over
to
the
entrance
to
the
mall.
Maybe
what
we
need
to
do
is
have
a
meeting
with
management
and
say
you
know,
for
this
amount
of
money.
We
can
do
this,
but
we
really
would
like
to
do
these
two
legs.
E
A
No
so
viviana,
your
point
is
well
taken,
and
that-
and
I
wouldn't
so-
I
want
to
echo
with
patty
and
carol-
and
now
arthur
has
said
so
okay.
So
if
we
focus
and
keeping
up
keeping
this
particular
map
up,
where
you
have
the
orange
dot,
which
is
the
entrance
to
the
mall
and
that
point
all
the
way
to
maybe
where
san
agustin
plaza
is,
is
what
we
focus
the
existing
money
that
we
have
and
we'll
say
this
is
what
we
can
work
on.
However,
I
agree
with
you:
viviana.
A
We
have
an
important
project
that
may
be
coming
up
related
to
the
plaza
theater
and
if
we
ask
the
city
to
partner
with
us
and
take
that
leg
up
that
l
that
turns
upward
that
it
goes
all
the
way
to
the
goal
which
will
it
won't
hit
where
the
plaza
is.
But
it
hits
the
street
where
the
plaza
is.
It
creates
this
walkable
l,
the
first
leg
of
the
l
is
the
walkable
l
between
the
saint
augustine
plaza
and
the
mall,
so
it
joins
the
hotel,
the
city
historic
center
to
the
outlets.
A
In
the
plaza
theater
down
to
san
agustin
plaza,
and
maybe
that's
the
talk
and
and
I
need
it-
comments
from
city
members
of
the
board
and
that's
the
that's
the
lake,
maybe
we
asked
the
city
to
participate
with
when
we
start
uniform,
doing
trees,
doing
the
signage
or
the
murals
that
we
talked
about
arturo
and
the
lighting,
and
if
you
focus
on
that,
l
in
that
area,
there
that's
a
focus
and
I
think,
that's
a
narrow
that
we've
done
a
good
job
of
narrowing
it.
What
what
are?
A
F
Certainly
ask
but
yeah
I
mean
we're
still
in
that
climate
of
uncertainty,
we're
looking
at
20,
25
million
dollars
of
deficit
and-
and
you
know
that
it's
not
going
to
be
easy.
We
certainly
ask
we'll
certainly
have
that
conversation,
but
it's
going
to
have
to
come
from
somewhere
and
we
have
to
make
the
cases
is
more
important
than
than
something
I
mean
we
do
that
anytime.
We
ask
for
money,
but
this
time,
especially
because
we're
going
to
be
making
cuts
most
likely
and
so.
E
A
F
E
F
G
Instead
of
flores,
I
was
gonna
say
the
the
same
thing
so,
and
I
think
that
some
of
this
is
if
we,
if
we,
if
we
agree
on
a
couple
of
priorities
and
when
the
enable
city
can
take
it
back
and
just
make
some
some
recommendations
based
on
the
we
kind
of
have
to
loosely
assign
what
eighth
streets
and
b
streets
are,
these
streets
are
typically
they've
got
more
access.
Driveways
parking
lots.
That
kind
of
stuff
in
san
agustin
seems
to
be
more
of
a
steep
street
than
an
a
street.
G
Lotus
might
be
more
of
an
ice
street.
We
can
kind
of
score
them
based
on
on
like
how
likely
they
are
to
be
more
pedestrian
friendly
and
how
likely
they
are
to
activate
storefronts
and
businesses,
and
then
from
there
you
can
decide
from
one
or
the
other.
I
don't
know
that
we
have
that
data
at
this
moment,
but
we
can
grab
it
for
you
and
present
it,
and
you
can
prioritize
based
on
that.
H
I'd
like
to
know,
is
it
possible,
when
you
all
start
putting
numbers
together
to
do
like
so
much
for
east
of
convent,
so
much
for
west
of
convent
and
then
so
much
for
north
of
con?
I'm
sorry,
east
of
sarawak,
no
sorry
on
saragosa,
east
of
convent,
so
much
west
of
common.
So
much
and
so
much
for
two
blocks
up
on
san
agustin.
Is
that
doable
good.
E
A
A
We
say
that
you
you
yourselves
know
I
mean
you,
you
know
this
topic.
This
is
going
to
be
more
likely
to
influence,
develop
business
development
as
opposed
to
what
we
would
like
to
see
there.
You
know
lighting
always
does
tons
to
help
an
area
if
the
lighting
is
right,
the
area
develops.
If
the
lighting
is
wrong,
it
looks
like
a
dead
zone.
I
think
trees
do
the
same
thing
as
terms
of
they
serving
as
canopies
and
also
restricted
areas.
A
That
kind
of
sidewalks
we've
seen
what
sidewalks
have
done
to
it
would
be
that
it
could
be
that
it
has.
You
know
it
has
seen
some
of
its
activity
due
to
the
walkability
of
these
could
be
that
not
all
of
it
is
perfect,
but
sidewalks
had
a
lot
to
do
with
it,
and
so
sidewalks
lighting
and
trees
are
what
we're
going
to
have
to
focus
on.
F
F
Focusing
is
the
key
word
there
and
yes,
able
cities
do
a
fantastic
job,
compiling
all
of
our
input
and
this
if
we
are
lucky
to
see
an
upswing
in
property
taxes
and
and
we
see
greater
increments
in
the
future,
we
have
something
to
guide
us
but
focusing
on
a
phase
one
and
getting
down
to
some
some
details.
The
only
the
only
caution,
I
would
just
say
a
caution
is
I
like
the
idea
of
having
the
conversation
with
the
city.
F
F
D
I
just
want
to
say
one
last
thing,
mr
chairman.
Yes,
I
was
expecting
to
be
honest
with
you.
My
whole
expectation
was
a
little
bit
different.
The
workshop
process
was
excellent
at
the
last
meeting
and
that
information,
but
I
was
expecting
something
whole
diff,
a
whole
lot
of
different.
With
this
meeting,
I
thought
we
were
going
to
get
three
refined
projects
that
we
could
possibly
look
at
and
then
move
forward
on
on
recommending
one
or
or
several.
A
F
Well,
I
think
the
motion
that
we
cities
to
prepare
a
to
prepare
a
report
showing
costs
for
sidewalks
trees
and
lighting
from
the
entry
of
the
outlet
mall
down
zadagosa
to
san
augustine
and
then
a
second
showing
trees,
lighting
and
sidewalk
from
zonagosa
and
san
augustine
to
san
augustine.
And
what
is
that
street?
A
F
A
I
would
add
a
curvature.
I
ask
you
to
include
in
your
motion.
I've
already
made
a
motion
a
couple
of
videos
ago
that
talked
about
art,
mural
signage,
that
I
think
that's
a
key
part
of
the
of
the
project
we
voted
on
that.
Actually
it's
already
been.
We
just
need
to
remind
ourselves
that
we
voted
that
that
would
be
part
of
the
presentation.
C
A
A
So
it's
been
moved
that
we
focus
on
a
saragosa
street
from
the
mount
the
outlet,
the
mall
start,
where
the
mall,
the
outlets
are
all
the
way
to
san
agustin
and
we're
going
to
focus
on
sidewalks
lighting
trees
and
some
science,
some
art,
whether
it
be
mural
or
leon
or
some
light.
But
this
is
going
to
artudo
garcia's
motion
a
couple
of
meetings
ago
and
that
would
be
priced
out
in
it
maybe
phases
so
that
we
know
what
we
would
get.
F
E
E
C
Well,
that
was
going
to
be
my
question
about
I
I
mean
we're
going
to
focus
on
this
and
this
and
this
and
this.
But
what
happened
to
the
design
guidelines?
Is
there
not
going
to
be
that?
Will
those
not
be
addressed
so
that
when
we're
going
forward,
if
we're
going
forward
or
if
somebody
else
takes
the
the
wheel,
they
have
those
in
in
place.
A
A
F
F
And
I
think
the
alternative
would
be
is
once
they
put
together
this
report
and
let's
say
they
surprise
us
all
and
they
say:
hey
you're,
going
to
have
an
extra
200
grand.
Well,
then
sure
why
not
we
can
come
back.
Have
this
discussion
say
let's
do
some
wayfinding,
but
I
think
what
we'll
find
is
the
opposite.
The
report
is
going
to
say
who
to
do
what
you
all
want
to
do.
It's
going
to
be
a
couple
million
dollars
and
then
you
have.
C
F
F
E
A
Halfway,
we're
not
we're
not
asking
you
to
ignore
it,
ignore
it
and
and
just
do
two
parts
of
it,
but
we're
giving
you
a
general
area
to
work
with
able
city.
You
know
we're
doing
this
l.
I
understand
what
you're
saying
we're
not
disagreeing
with
you.
We're
just
saying
that
if,
if,
if
suddenly,
that
square
becomes
the
center
of
the
project,
we're
moving
in
the
wrong
direction,.
E
F
D
A
F
F
I
don't
know
if
we
need
a
motion
for
this,
but
I
would
like,
if
you're,
if
you're
willing
henry
at
least
me
and
you,
but
any
other
board
that
want
to
we
can
try
to
reach
out,
have
those
conversations
with
those
other
entities
separate
from
this
and
and
see
if
we
can
make
any
headway
to
getting
other
others
to
contribute
to
that
increment
other
than
that.
That's
there's!
A
A
F
A
F
E
D
A
D
A
I
understand
and
I'm
sorry
to
interrupt.
I
understand
the
point,
I'm
not
I'm
not.
I
don't
think
I'm
at
least
I'm
not
gonna
argue
against
the
importance
of
what
you're
saying
able
city.
I
think
that's
important
point
I,
but
I
sense
at
this
meeting
a
bit
of
frustration
on
a
couple
of
board
members
point
about
wanting
to
have
seen
this
project
our
part
of
the
project
costing
it
out
focusing
on
it
moving
forward.
So
let's
focus
on
that.
First.
A
And
then
and
then
and
then
we'll
we'll
we'll
we'll
move
to
the
next
step.
But
let's
do
that
part
first,
we
I
I
don't
want
to
ignore
the
the
the
comments
that
came
from
a
couple
of
the
board
members
and
what
they
had
where
they
expected
us
to
be
at.
I
think
I've
done
a
job,
a
good
job
of
explaining.
Why
we're
not
at
that
point
yet.
But
let's
move
towards
that
point.