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Historic District Board of Review- July 25, 2022
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After
after
we
do
after
you
come
up
and
state
your
name
and
address,
then
brooke
will
go
over
your
application
and
then
we'll
give
you
a
chance
to
add
anything
to
that.
The
board
will
then
have
a
chance
to
ask
any
questions
and
then
we'll
give
the
audience
a
chance
to
come
up
and
address
any
concerns,
questions
issues
they
might
have
support,
and
then
after
we
do
that,
then
the
board
will
go
through,
what's
called
a
findings
of
fact
on
the
application
and
then
a
and
then
the
board
will
take
a
vote
on
the
application.
A
F
Well,
thank
you
all
very
much
and
apologize
for
the
mask,
but
we
had
this
little
incident
a
week
before
last
at
the
national
alliance
of
preservation
commissions
forum
in
cincinnati,
and
it
was
a
great
great
week.
We
had
a
lot
of
really
good
sessions
over
500
people
who
were
in
attendance
and
kovitz
sort
of
showed
up
too
so
about
two-thirds
of
our
napc
board
came
down
with
covet,
including
myself
and
there's
a
few
others
who
also
came
down
with
covet.
You
somehow
escaped
all.
D
F
Well,
I
sent
a
few
weeks
ago
this
summary
of
where
we
are
after
a
couple
of
drafts
and
have
you
all
had
a
chance
to
look
at
it
or,
if
you'd
like
I'd,
be
happy
to
walk
through
it
with
you.
If
you
want
the
main
points,
so
after
the
first
two
drafts
again,
we
have
condensed
the
table
of
contents,
I'm
not
going
to
say
all
of
these,
but
just
the
major
ones,
commercial
and
residential
sections
were
merged.
Together,
we
updated
the
information
on
routine
maintenance
items.
F
The
checklist
of
materials
required
for
coa
was
removed.
Policy
was
changed
to
design
objectives
throughout.
We
added
additional,
yes
and
no's
to
a
number
of
the
photographs.
Throughout
the
document
we
added
a
new
section
on
metals
to
include
cast
iron
press
metal,
awnings
and
canopies
section
was
revised
to
include
some
additional
language.
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F
F
F
All
this
finished
here-
the
next
next
couple
of
months
just
depends
on
any
last
odds
and
ends
of
the
comments
but
yeah.
We
are
just
at
a
point
here
we're
about
ready
to
to
wrap
this
up
so
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
all
might
have
I'll
be
sticking
around
to
the
end
of
the
meeting
yeah
tonight.
F
F
H
I
J
B
B
B
J
A
J
J
E
A
C
G
G
A
G
K
I
first
was
involved
in
a
lot
of
meetings
with
the
tree
board.
We
we
tried
to
skin
this
cat
every
way
we
could
to
save
those
trees
and
whether
you
build
tree
wells
around
them
lower
the
grade
because
of
the
massive
drip
line
of
those
trees.
If
you
understand
drip
lines
on
trees,
so
outer
limits
of
the
leaves
to
the
other
outer
limits
to
the
reefs
is
where
the
root
zone
is.
K
These
trees
just
will
not
survive
the
construction
process.
We
intend
to
go
back
and,
let
me
say
too,
the
tree.
Those
two
trees
are
what
you
and
I
would
call
water,
maples
and
probably
10
15
feet
above
ground,
multiple
forks
and
there's
splitting,
so
the
life
expectancy
of
those
is
more
short-term
than
long-term.
K
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E
H
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L
Ellen
yeah,
I'm
kind
of
with
sandy-
I
don't
think
the
people
that
wrote
the
guidelines
had
anything
like
this
in
their
wildest
imaginations
that
we
would
be
asked
to
bless
or
condemn
this.
I
mean
this
is
a
one-off
thing.
It's
not
really.
I
don't
think
the
guidelines
really
even
address
it.
So
I'm
perfectly
fine
to
vote
in
favor
of
this
yeah
mike.
C
I'm
also
in
favor
of
it.
I
appreciate
the
efforts,
john,
you
and
your
team
have
made
to
get
out
to
the
public
and
talk
it
up
and
you've
been
to.
I
think
some
city
council
meetings,
as
well
as
other
meetings
to
to
show
what
you're
planning
on
doing
and
revised
what
your
plan
was
based
on
what
you
want
to
do.
So
I
agree
with
with
tom
that
really
don't
have
a
findings
of
fact
for
a
viewing
stand
on
the
ohio
river,
but
you
guys
did
a
nice
job
on
putting
this
together
appreciate
it.
M
N
A
Yeah-
and
I
agree
for
all
the
reasons
stated-
I
think
everybody
I
mean
this
is
a.
This
is
something
the
guidelines
don't
tend
to
be
we're
usually
on
historic
structures
and
new
infill,
and
this
could
be
you
know
partly
new
infill
as
well
in
that
community,
but
certainly
dresses
up
the
the
riverfront
even
more.
You
know
the
riverfront
development
commission
has
done
a
lot
with
everything
down
there.
This
is
just
yet
another
great
feature
that
I
think
tourists
are
going
to
love
as
well
as
residents.
D
Based
on
the
preceding
findings,
a
fact
I
move
that
the
madison
historic
district
board
of
review
grant
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
riverfront
development
commission
for
the
proposed
application
to
build
a
new
viewing
platform
super
outlook
on
the
site
of
the
existing
view
platform
that
will
be
demolished.
This
project
will
be
built
to
specifications
submitted
to
the
historic
district
board
of
review,
and
the
project
is
located
at
120
plus
bond
drive.
A
B
O
I'd
like
to
mention
that,
in
my
original
application
for
the
construction
process,
aluminum
clad
wood
window
or
aluminum
clad
wood
windows
were
approved
by
this
board
for
the
rest
of
the
house.
It
was
specifically
hmi's
request,
as
they
were
the
seller
of
the
house
to
me
that
we
tried
to
conserve
any
windows
that
we
could
in
the
home.
That
was
certainly
our
intention,
and
I
indicated
that
at
the
first
meeting
that
if
we
could
salvage
wood
windows
in
a
practical
manner
that
certainly
it
would
be
our
preference.
O
However,
if
we
were
unable
to
salvage
those
windows
or
they
were
cost
prohibitive-
that
we
would
have
to
go
with
the
aluminum
clad
wood
window
previously
approved
by
hdbr.
So
subsequently,
as
we
started
to
get
ready,
the
window
showed
up
on
my
property
john
stacier
across
the
road
and
his
office
has
a
bird's
eye
view
of
the
construction
process
going
on,
and
and
so
he
called
me
and
said,
hey.
M
O
O
These
wood
window
frames
were
constructed
in
the
factory
and
as
such,
it's
not
traditional
framewall
construction
in
any
way,
shape
or
form
the
sashes
were
hung
in
the
factory
and
delivered
that
way
and
to
take
them
out
was
monumentally
more
difficult
than
a
standard
construction
project
secondary
to
that
was
the
fact
that
there
was
in
fact
a
good
bit
of
deterioration
and
destruction
of
the
of
the
window
framing
around
them.
Specifically,
the
boards
around
the
bottom.
O
Replacing
them
would
not
be
an
easy
factor
again.
These
were
factory
constructed
sections
in
this
house
and
replacing
them
is
not
a
simple,
a
matter
of
taking
out
the
bad
wood
and
putting
in
the
good
wood.
These
are
solid
state
units.
Basically,
if
you
will
so
in
the
process
of
taking
them
out,
several
of
the
sashes
were
damaged
the
wind,
the
base
of
the
windows.
Forgive
me,
I
don't
know
all
the
correct
construction
terms,
but
were
were
damaged
in
getting
them
out.
O
O
So
I
was
either
going
to
replace
them
with
new
wood
windows,
which
would
be
fine,
but
that's
not
conserving
the
original
and
since
the
aluminum
clad
wood
windows
are
currently
approved
by
the
hdbr
and
were
previously
approved
by
this
board.
At
my
initial
hearing,
I
I
made
a
decision
and-
and
I
apologized
to
john
all
over
myself,
because
I
just
didn't
consult
him.
O
They
asked
that
I
would
consult
them
on
each
change
as
we
went
along
and
and
there
weren't
that
many
changes
from
what
we
what
we
did,
but
this
was
one-
and
I
quite
honestly,
as
any
of
you
know,
going
through
construction
process.
Windows
have
to
be
ordered
when
they
have
to
be
ordered
or
you'll,
never
see
them.
I
still
have
windows
that
may
not
be
here
until
october
november,
so.
O
I
made
a
decision
at
that
time
to
go
ahead
and
order
the
new
windows
when
the
new
windows
showed
up
on
location,
john
queried
me.
We
talked
both
by
text
and
then
subsequently
in
person
and
went
through
and
toured
and
looked
through,
and
I
showed
and
explained
to
him
the
difficulties
while
the
walls
were
still
open
there.
O
The
difficulties
in
in
doing
conservation
of
those
windows,
john
understood
and
agreed-
and
I
think,
he's
as
purest
as
any
of
us
in
terms
of
trying
to
maintain
historical
integrity
in
structures
like
this,
and
so
he
agreed,
went
back
to
his
board
and
their
board
attorney
and
said.
Well,
basically,
you
know
you
didn't
consult
with
us
on
on
this,
this
one
change
order,
and
so
we're
going
to
reprimand
you
we're
going
to
fuss
at
you.
He
said,
but
had
you
come
to
us
at
that
time
and
explained
this
to
us?
O
P
M
A
O
Because,
by
the
time
john
called
me,
they
had
been
delivered
and
were
in
place
and
then
before
they
closed
them
up
and
everything
I
took
john
and
walked
through
them.
We
talked
through
it
and
he
said
yeah.
I
think
this
will
be
fine
in
the
interim
brooke
and
I
were
talking
on
a
regular
basis.
She
thought
maybe
that
might
have
been
a
staff
approval,
since
it
was
kind
of
conditionally
approved
previously
and
subsequently
decided.
Maybe
that
wasn't
the
best
idea,
let's
just
be
out
front
about
it.
The
windows
were
installed
after
john
approved.
O
O
O
Personally,
I
kind
of
think
that
these
windows,
by
the
way,
are
aesthetically
more
pleasing
than
the
raggedy
old
ones,
with
aluminum
storm
windows
on
them
and
obviously
the
the
r
factor
and
sustainability
of
those.
These
windows
will
be
far
beyond
what
a
wood
window
would
be
in
maintenance.
So
I
think
that
they
lend
to
the
appeal
of
the
house,
they're
aesthetically,
very
pleasing.
There
will
be
no
other
storm
windows
on
the
outside.
So
I
think
that
also
lends
to
the
aesthetic
of
the
home.
L
Well,
I
mean
this.
This
seems
to
happen
a
lot.
You
know
people
show
up
asking
more
for
forgiveness
than
for
approval
and
at
some
point
I
don't
know
whether
it's
tonight
or
some
other
night
we're
gonna
have
to
start
telling
people
tear
it
out
and
put
the
other
back,
because
you
know
we
did
not
approve
these
windows.
You
know
just
because
they
were
similar.
O
They
were
not
deteriorated
to
that
point.
You
are
correct,
the
framing
around
the
windows
were,
and
they
were,
I
mean
inaccessible.
Without
getting
new
panels
made
I
mean
they
just
it
was
it
was
there
were
structural,
integral
members
of
lumber
in
built
into
the
panels
that
made
it
I
mean
my
contractor
was
just
like
kevin.
I
don't
know
how
we
get
these
out,
how
we
reframe
this.
I
don't
even
know
how,
and
at
the
very
least
I
mean
this
is
going
to
cost
a
lot
of
time,
a
lot
of
money,
a
lot
of
effort.
O
Board
for
facades
sides,
reconstruction,
new
construction,
downtown.
I
thought
I
was
living
within
the
guidelines.
It
was
not
my
intention
to
to
do
this
in
opposition
to
what
you're
doing
I'm
not.
I
wasn't
trying
to
sneak
anything
in
the
back
door.
I
was
simply
going
on
what
I
thought
was
the
approval
and
then,
when
I
called
brooke
I
said
I
said
well.
These
were
approved
right
and
she
was
like.
O
O
I
assumed-
and
again
I
hope,
if
I
assumed
incorrectly,
but
I
assumed
that
these
were
approved
on
all
the
facades.
The
only
issue
I
had,
in
my
mind
at
all
was
hmi's
concerns
about
changing
them.
They
were
the
only
ones
that
ever
said
to
me
boy,
we'd,
really
like
you
to
save
those
windows.
If
possible,
that
was
not
really
discussed
that
either.
O
E
G
L
L
Right
now
it's
an
improved
material,
but
that
doesn't
imply
and
we've
never
seen
where
we
just
say
you
know
you
have
really
good
shape
historic
windows,
but
go
ahead
and
tear
them
out
and
put
in
you
know
anything
new.
No,
you
know
all
these.
I
think
people
should
look
at
these
historic
windows
more,
like
a
chimney.
L
You
know
chimneys
need
tuck,
pointing
occasionally
but
they're,
really
permanent
parts
of
the
house
and
the
wood
that
those
windows
were
made
out
of.
It
doesn't
exist
anymore.
You
know
it's
really
rot
resistant
and
if
you
were
to
restore
those
windows
and
then
put
a
modern
storm,
you
know
almost
invisible
storm
of
the
outside.
L
L
They're,
not
like
those
every
20
years,
they're
going
to
have
to
be
replaced,
so
they
have
all
kinds
of
mechanical
stuff
inside
they'll
break
they're,
either
hard
or
impossible.
It's
like
you
saying
that
you're,
your
factory
made
ones.
These
new
windows
will
break
and
a
lot
of
them
are
not
you
can't
even
repair
them.
You
got
to
replace
the
whole
dadgum
thing,
so
it
makes
economic
sense
even
to
usually
to
preserve
the
older
windows
as
well
as,
of
course,
historical
preservation.
Sense.
O
You're
I
100
agree
with
everything
you
said.
I
I
don't
disagree
at
all.
It
was
my
hope
and
intention
to
do
that.
It
was
in
fact
cost
prohibitive
and
in
fact,
technically
inhibitive
to
to
do
that
because
they
were
integrated.
The
framing
around
the
outside
is
integrated
into
the
panel
sections
that
the
house
was
delivered
and
it
just
made
it
technically
at
the
very
least
difficult,
if
not
impossible,
totally
my
preference,
I
would
love
to
keep
the
wood
windows.
O
C
Yeah
I'd,
like
my
comment,
I
think
the
the
one
thing
that
anyone
who
rehabs
an
old
home
finds
there
are
good
surprises
and
there's
bad
surprises
and
unfortunately
kevin
you
found
one
of
the
bad
surprises
on
a
manufactured
home.
I
I
agree
that
the
old
wood
is
great
wood,
but
we
have
this
thing
called
dry
rot.
We
have
this
thing
called
moisture
rot.
We
have
this
thing
called
termites
in
this
town.
C
O
D
I
Williams,
poplar
street
and
so
we're
doing
the
same
house
just
one
house
over
and
our
intent
was
to
deliver
the
sashes
to
architectural
supply
in
louisville
as
a
donation.
No
one
wants
to
pay
for
them
and
as
soon
as
we
took
the
windows
out,
the
sashes
collapsed
instantly,
there's
just
nothing
holding
them
together.
O
I'm
glad
he's
digging
into
his
house
now
too,
because
it
is
a
difficult
process
on
these
houses.
They're
they're
interesting
they're,
not
traditional
construction
yeah.
I
don't
know
they
are
traditional
in
some
level,
but
but
they're,
not
what
our
contractors
are
used
to
digging
into
it
all
and
they
create
some
challenges.
A
H
O
O
E
C
Unfortunately,
you
know
we're,
you
know
the
front
facade
is
a
major
issue
for
us
as
far
as
the
houses
go,
but
I
agree.
I
agree
with
the
fact
that
you
know
strictly
on
the
findings
of
fact.
You
missed
a
few
findings
of
fact,
but
you
also
are
saving
a
beautiful
house
and
it's
going
to
be
beautiful
when
you
get
it
done
so
I
appreciate
what
you're
doing.
A
Yeah-
and
I
actually
agree
with
what
tom
just
said,
you
know,
I
think
the
process
is
the
big,
the
big
kick.
I
also
think
it's
really
difficult
to
determine
whether
a
window
is
80
percent
deteriorated
or
it's
not
hard
for
us
because
we're
not
there
looking
at
it,
we
can
see
pictures,
but
that's
not
you
know,
doesn't
always
do
it
justice
for
me.
So
that's
always
very
difficult
thing
deterioration.
A
C
D
D
H
H
A
O
Well,
that's
backing
into
the
parking
space.
I
I
suppose
I
appreciate
and
respect
this
board
a
great
deal.
I
share
your
aesthetics
and
concerns
for
our
historic
community
and
I
want
to
maintain
that
best.
I
can.
I
do
understand
your
concerns.
Tom
and,
and
all
these
concerns
completely
accurate
and
again
it
was
not
my
intention
to
subvert
the
process
at
all.
It
was
my
misunderstanding,
my
mistake,
so
I
appreciate
your
concerns
and
take
them
to
heart.
I
appreciate
it.
Thank.
I
C
P
B
A
P
A
I
love
this
house,
I
think
it's
a
beautiful
home
and
we
we
go
by.
I
go
by
a
lot
on
main
street,
but
it's
it's
a
beautiful,
beautiful
home,
and
this
part
I
just
when
I
was
looking
at
it.
I
thought
man
what
why
is
he
doing
this?
Some
of
this
doesn't
make
sense
to
me,
but
that
helps
me
out
a
lot.
I
didn't
realize
that
it
had
been
sub
divided.
That's
so!
Oh.
E
A
P
Q
D
P
E
M
P
P
I
L
L
Well,
first,
I
want
to
point
out
this
okay,
we're
talking
about
historic
doors
here
in
our
in
our
doors
and
section,
but
we
should
keep
in
mind
through
this
that
this
is
not
a
historic
part
of
this
building.
This
was
a
modern
edition,
and
so
it
seems
to
me
that
what
mr
godward
is
doing
is
he
is
just
updating
and
improving.
L
L
You
know
chapter
and
verse
for
a
project
like
this,
just
like
we
wouldn't
if
this
was.
If
this
was
a
completely
non-contributing
structure,
it's
very
much
a
contributing
structure,
it's
beautiful,
but
this
one
section
of
it
should
shouldn't
be
held
to
the
same
tight
standards
as
the
re
as
we
would
on
the
rest
of
the
building.
L
Okay,
so
just
to
just
to
go
through
them,
the
first
one
historic
porches,
it's
not
a
historic
porch,
yeah
historic
doors,
not
historic
doors.
A
jealousy
I
lived
on
galveston
island
and
my
apartment
had
a
jealousy
door,
and
it
was
even
at
that
latitude.
It
was
a
terrible
mistake,
think
you
should
get
rid
of
that
jealousy
door,
yeah
historic
doors,
to
keep
keep
talking
about
that
we're
not
dealing
with
that
at
all
historic
historic.
L
H
L
M
L
A
A
A
A
B
B
E
B
N
N
N
R
E
E
D
R
J
B
E
E
Q
A
L
L
C
I
think
I
think
if
you
look
at
the
other
homes
on
the
block,
you've
got,
I
believe,
two
brick
structures
right
next
to
you
actually
yeah,
no,
actually
a
fifth
street
coming
back
two
bit.
Brick
structures
are
right
on
the
sidewalk,
so
yeah
all
the
way
up,
yeah
they've
got
no
front
porch
and
then
you've
got
the
the
burnout,
that's
being
rehabbed
next
door,
so
hopefully,
hopefully
they'll
put
a
porch
on
that
thing,
but
we'll
see
what
happens
with
that
and
that
I
think
you
get
is
kdh.
C
E
Q
Brian
martin
104
syrian
street,
these
aren't
my
drawings
are
designed,
but
I'm
working
with
pam
on
the
project.
I
understand
specifically
with
the
guidelines
in
relation
to
adding
the
porch.
I
also
think
over
the
years
watching
things
happen
and
adjustments
to
these
structures.
The
one
thing
we
need
to
keep
into
account
is
we're
asking
a
lot
of
people
to
invest
in
these
properties,
and
I
mean
she's
saving
the
main.
Q
You
know
architectural
component
of
the
house
itself
that
you
know
the
the
facade
I
mean
the
porch
is
basically
just
something
that's
applied
to
the
front:
it's
not
ruining
the
structure
by
any
means
it
does
provide
the
level
of
comfort
that
someone
wants
at
their
home.
I
mean
everyone
loves
the
front
porch.
So
I
just,
I
think,
that's
a
consideration
in
relation
to
you
know
it's
not
like
something
has
been
torn
down
or
removed.
Q
Again,
I
get
specific
to
the
guidelines,
but
I
don't
think
you
know
like,
like
they've
said
over
the
years
I
mean:
if
someone
wants
to
come
back
through
and
tear
it
off
it
doesn't
again,
it
doesn't
ruin
the
house,
it
just
you
know,
goes
away
basically,
so
it's
just
it's
more
of
a
comment
in
relation
to
asking
people
to
invest
in
these
properties
and
the
amount
of
money
they
invest
in
and
live
downtown
and
protect.
You
know
the
main
structure.
That's
one
element
that
provides
a
little
bit
of
comfort
and
environment.
C
Q
C
C
And
you
you're
talking
about
asphalt,
shingles
on
it,
so
I
think
that
that'll
help
out
and
also,
I
believe
that
if
one
looks
around
madison,
you
can
see
several
additional
porches
that
are
now
considered
historic
that
were
added,
probably
in
the
late
1800s
to
a
lot
of
the
earlier
homes.
But
anyway
I
digress
addition
should
be
secondary,
smaller
and
simpler.
C
C
But
it
will
be
at
the
rear,
which
is
which
is
important.
Addition
should
be
compatible
in
design,
which
is
in
the
same
design
as
the
original
roof
shape
materials.
Color
there
was
a
the
half
edition.
That's
on
the
back.
It's
a
single
story.
If
I'm
not
mistaken,
now,
that's
that's
going
away.
I
assume
yeah
pretty
much
yeah,
okay,
so
you're
gonna
take
that
out
the
building's
materials.
I
don't
know
how
color
got
in
there
who
snuck
color
in
there
and
location
of
window
and
door
and
entrance
in
cornice
heights.
C
C
All
right
additions
should
not
imitate
an
earlier
historic
style,
which
I
don't
think
this
does.
The
the
recommended
approach
is
is
for
additions
to
reflect
characteristics
of
current
period
and
design,
which
I
think
your
porch
will.
It
doesn't
seem
like
you're,
going
to
be
making
it
into
an
old-fashioned
porch
and
to
avoid
extensive
damage,
removal
of
historic
materials.
C
R
E
C
C
C
C
N
The
only
problem
I
have
is
with
the
porch
on
the
front.
I
don't
agree
with
that,
but
I
do
agree
with
the
addition
in
the
back.
I
think
it's
going
to
be
it's
going
to
double
the
size
of
her
house
and
there's
plenty
of
room
back
there.
It
backs
up
almost
to
a
little
alley
where
there's
some
great
little
houses
that
have
just
been
constructed,
and
but
I
can't
I
can't
go
with
the
porch
okay.
A
H
A
L
I
agree
with
mike's
first
take
on
this.
I
guess
on
the
porch
to
me
that
the
guidelines
do
not
say
specifically,
you
should
not
add
a
porch.
It
talks
about
preserving
ones
that
are
there
and
what
you
can
and
can't
do
to
historic
porches,
but
it
doesn't
say,
don't
add
a
new
porch
to
the
front
of
historic
structure.
So
I
don't
see
how
this
is
in
violation
of
the
guidelines
doing
that.
A
Yeah-
and
I
would
add
to
what
owen
said,
is
that
it
says
that
porch
should
be
consistent
with
the
home
that
would
be
added
to
so.
You
know
on
that
findings
of
fact,
so
it
I
agree,
it
doesn't
say
you
can't
add
one
which
I
looked
for
that
on
this
one,
because
I
thought
you
know
I
knew
the
federal
thing
would
come
up
and
I
thought
well,
but
you
know,
I
think,
there's
a
good
point
that
was
made
by
you
know
the
builder.
A
A
A
A
A
B
M
C
M
C
M
Well
and-
and
you
likely
all
know
who
was
in
the
building
before,
but
carl
hunges
was,
was
there
and
and
carl
I
offered
when
we
talked
about
it,
it
wasn't
about
money,
it
was
about
finding
him
another
place
and
I
was
able
to
find
him
a
place
up
on
pleasant
ridge.
That's
almost
1200
square
feet,
so
he's
in
he's
in
hog
heaven.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
I
talked
to
him
on
the
way
down:
he's
got
lights.
M
A
Well,
you
know,
for
me
it's
a
non-historic
structure
and
we've
had
some
of
these
come
before
and
I
think
it's
you
know.
I
don't
really
know,
there's
a
lot
to
talk
about
when
they're,
not
history,
especially
when
they're
like
a
shed
or
you
know
an
out-
and
you
know
a
separate
structure
throughout
the
house
that
it
just
it
doesn't
make,
doesn't
require
a
lot
of
comment
for
me.
So
mr
adkins.
N
D
M
N
E
A
I
agree
for
the
same
reasons:
it's
not
a
historic
structure,
it
doesn't
contribute,
and,
and
certainly
the
materials,
if
you
find
historic,
materials
or
just
reusable
materials,
restore
certainly
does
a
great
job
in
repurposing
those
to
the
community.
So
all
right
with
that,
we'll
accept
the
motion.
A
Q
I'm
here
for
todd
calvert
who
owns
the
property?
Basically,
he
just
he
wants
to
remodel
it
to
give
us
parents
a
place
to
live
in
madison.
So
that
being
said,
he
wants
to
put
a
rear
edition
on
just
to
add
a
little
more
living
space
on
the
back
side
and
then
similar
to
two
applications
ago,
front
porch,
just
again
a
little
bit
of
protection
as
well
as
a
more
of
a
sitting
front
porch
for
them,
so
drawing
show
the
rest
of
it.
A
Q
A
E
Q
Technically,
it's
again
not
to
try
to
you
know,
replicate
that
exactly,
but
it
kind
of
only
makes
sense
to
carry
that
and
putting
that
front
porch
on
to
carry
that
around
cut,
and
that's
where
the
inspiration
photo
is
that
it's
the
l-shaped
porch
concept?
Is
that
it's
just
a
you
know:
continuation
of
that
right.
Q
E
Q
Same
same
as
the
house,
the
shing
just
a
shingle
yeah,
it
has
the
hip
roof
style.
So
there's
and
it's
again
it
kind
of
has
to
fall
into
place
with
the
with
the
existing
pitch
of
the
of
the
of
that
house.
So
you
see
a
little
more
of
it
than
maybe
we'd
like,
but
I
think
it's
staying
consistent
with
the
slope
of
the
roof.
Q
Q
N
N
This
traditionally
had
the
side
porch
it
didn't.
It
never
had
the
front
just
on
porches
today.
Aren't
I
it
didn't,
have
a
front
porch,
but
I
do
love
that
the
the
fretwork
that's
on
the
side,
porch
and
that
you
would
replicate
it
if
you
went
with
the
front
porch
or
if
you're
approved
for
that,
but
the
one
on
the
the
left
of
you.
I
noticed
that
they
had
taken
all
the
fretwork
off.
E
N
But
I
thought
because
of
the
proximity
of
the
one
at
10
18,
that
the
two
of
them
would
look
better
if
they
were
the
same
design,
which
they
originally
were,
that
one
I'm
sure
had
worked
somewhere
along
the
line.
It
went
away
sure,
thankfully
you
all
preserved
that
sure.
But
that's
the
problem
I
have
with
that,
because
it
would
not
have
been
rich.
Q
Questions
just
some
similar
commentary
from
the
last
time.
I
you
know
definitely
understand
that
the
concept
of
adding
that
porch,
but
again
as
a
it's
more
of
a
you,
know
specific
to
a
lifestyle.
You
know,
and
it's
an
addition.
That's
actually
what's
what's
kind
of
fun
about
this
house.
Is
that
if
you
go
to
the
photo.
Q
You
know
the
brickwork
comes
down
onto
a
wood
column,
which
is
just
kind
of
interesting
to
you
know,
and
that's
that
was
original.
We're
certainly
not
changing
that
by
any
means,
but
it's
just
you
know.
So
the
concept
is
we're
still
that
detail
will
still
be
in
place,
we're
just
simply
applying
you
know.
We
want
to
apply
that
that
roof
structure
there
for
more
for
comfort,
for
them
to
be
able
to
get
a
little
more
shade
south
facing,
and
you
know,
place
to
sit
and
watch
the
traffic
fly
by
yeah,
but
is
that
a
little.
D
Q
E
L
F
E
A
D
The
approach
to
side
additions
that
are
visible
from
the
street
would
be
in
the
rear
of
the
building,
and
I
think
the
addition
you
are
adding
is
going
to
be
on
the
back
side
of
that
property
additions
to
historic
homes
should
be
located
at
the
rear
of
the
building.
We've
already
covered
that
it
should
be
secondary,
smaller
and
simpler.
D
D
Addition
should
not
imitate
earlier
historic
style
architecture
you're,
not
doing
that.
The
recommended
approach
is
for
additions
to
reflect
characteristics
of
the
current
period
and
design
well,
basically,
you're
just
carrying
the
design
around
the
front,
so
you're
staying
and
being
compatible
with
the
original
building,
and
I
don't
believe
you
are
removing
extensive
historic
material
from
the
house
either.
So
I
think
we're
good
on
that
point,
I
I
feel
that
you're,
in
conformance
with
guidelines
the
porch
as
we
discussed,
while
it's
not
really
covered
in
our
guidelines.
D
A
C
B
A
A
B
A
That's
fine
yeah,
so
I
think
when
how
we'll
do
these
comments,
if
you
guys
would
like
we'll
just
I'll
just
call
on
you
and
if
you
got
comments
that
you
like
to
make
on
the
guidelines,
you
can
do
so
and
then
get
them
on
record.
Of
course
you
know
with
the
board
just
like
the
the
public.
You
can
continue
to
make
comments.
This
does
not
you
know
in
the
ability
to
make
comments.
You
can
still
submit
comments
to
brooke
or
nicole
with
at
the
city
of
madison.
D
I
E
L
C
The
only
thing
phil
that
that
I
I
saw
that
I
keep
hitting
on
it
too.
I
think
every
time
I
see
it
is
that
when,
when
something
says
in
the
guidelines,
it's
not
approvable
well,
there's
always
a
situation,
there's
always
an
exception
to
every
rule,
and
I
think
for
for
us
as
a
board
to
say
something's,
not
approvable,
that
shouldn't
be
in
the
guidelines.
It
should
be
that
it's
you
know
it's
it's
it's
less
favorable!
You
know,
you
know
the
wording.
C
C
N
I
had
an
opportunity
to
peruse
this
pretty
quickly,
but
I
am
really
impressed
the
minutia
of
it
that
they're
not
called
windows.
They're
called
this
they're
not
called
shutters
they're
called
this,
and
I
just
think
those
little
bitty
improvements
can
only
help.
I
mean
just
the
building
of
certain
buildings
in
town.
It
makes
a
difference
whether
it
was
1823
or
1825..
A
Michael
and
I
haven't
you
know,
read
through
these
I'd
like
to
read
through
those,
but
you
know
I
agree
with
mike
on
the
not
approval,
but
you
know
I
kind
of
we
could
get
into
materials
too
and
saying
vinyl
and
vinyl
clad
windows
do
not
accurately
resemble
historic
windows.
I
think
it's
a
hard
statement
to
make.
I
don't
know
you,
I
think
they
could
resemble
historic
windows.
They
may
not
be
the
material
that
that
a
historic
society
or
so
forth
might
like
to
utilize.
A
A
A
You
know
what
that
might
be
because
vinyl
just
like
lp
I've
seen
some
new
stuff.
We
had
one
out
here
not
too
long
ago.
It
was
a
vinyl,
clad
wood
window
and
that
vinyl,
clad
wood
window
actually
looked
really
good.
It
looked
appropriate.
It's
something
that
you
know,
I'm
thinking
man.
I
could
see
something
like
that
on
on
homes
going
forward
too.
So
that's
something
I
would
like
for
you
to
look
at
because
it
does
paint
us
in
a
corner.
A
When
we
do
say
these
things
are
not
appropriate
or
they're,
not
approvable,
and
then
we
approve
it.
Well
then,
we've
basically
just
you
must
throw
the
guidelines
out
the
door
because
they're
not
worth
anything
now
because
you're
approving
it,
you
know
something
you're
saying
is
not
approvable
or
whatever.
So,
but
that's
my
my
first
comment
right
now
and
I've
got
others.
I've
got
to
submit
because
I
was
on
vacation
last
week,
so
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
to
to
do
that.
Yeah.
A
B
E
A
A
J
G
M
S
A
S
A
A
A
S
Gonna
do
yeah,
I
mean
I.
I
realize
that
there's
certain
issues
that,
for
whatever
reason
it
may
be
determined
it's
not
relevant
or
you
don't
want
to
include
it
or
whatever,
but
anything
that
does
wind
up
being
the
guidelines.
My
primary
concern
is
that
it
all
just
be
as
accurate
as
possible,
because
even
the
guidelines
that
that
were
adopted,
what
was
in
2000.
A
I
S
And
this
is
this-
I
mean
I
realized.
If
any
time
you
do
a
printed
document,
there's
always
going
to
be
something
wrong,
but
it's
just
at
this
time.
I
just
like
to
make
sure
that
before
it
winds
up
getting
in
print
and
becomes
the
gospel
that
all
the
glitches
are
addressed
because,
unfortunately,
once
it
gets
in
print
that
makes
it
true.
Even
it's
false.
A
Well,
I
mean
there's
a
time
they
would
like
to.
I
mean,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
though,
we
want
this
to
be
right,
so
you
know
I
I
personally
and
the
board
may
hate
me
for
it,
but
I'm
not
going
to
let
it
get
rushed
if
we're
not
comfortable.
This
board
needs
to
be
very
comfortable
with
what
we're
going
to
go
with
and
we're
not
going
to
you
know
be
rushed
to
get
it
done
just
to
meet
a
certain
timeline.
A
We'll
try
to
get
this
done.
The
idea
is
to
hopefully
have
this
done
this
year.
The
ordinance
is
being
worked
on
at
the
same
time.
So
you
know,
I've
talked
with
the
mayor
and
I've.
I've
expressed
my
opinion
of
wanting
to
get
that
ordinance
done
too,
so
that
the
guidelines
should
reflect
a
lot
from
the
ordinance.
I
mean
there
are
things
in
there
about
demolitions
and
things
that
the
ordinance
does
have
the
prevailing
word
on
that
the
guidelines
would
have
to
follow.
A
So
you
know
there
are
things
there
that
I
want
to
make
sure
absolutely
happen
and
we're.
You
know
step
in
step
and
he
he
agrees.
He
thinks
that's
the
right
thing
to
do
too,
so
he's
got
to
get
the
ordinance
moving
a
little
faster
if
we're
going
to
meet
the
whole
guideline
thing
too.
So
there's
there's
couple
things
there
that
you
know
I
think
are
important,
but
I
I
do
agree
with
you
once
it's
written,
then
all
of
a
sudden
you're
opening
it
up
and
that's
what
you're
going
to
go
by
right.
S
S
S
S
A
B
E
E
H
B
To
be
correct,
yes,
it
is
a
public
alley
and
the
determination
on
that
was
made
that
that
is
a
police
department
issue.
There
has
been,
you
know
some
concern
from
different
community
members
about
the
blockage
of
that
alley
or
partial
blockage.
I
should
say
the
police
department
was
contacted
and
the
the
materials
that
were
causing
the
partial
blockage
have
mostly
been
removed.
B
A
There's
and
the
reason
for
that
delay
we
kind
of
thought.
Probably
the
letter
go
out
by
now,
but
devin
had
to
also
talk
with
the
mayor
yeah,
so
he
discussed
that
you
were
copied
on
that,
so
I
just
but
for
the
rest
of
the
board,
he
talks
with
the
mayor
to
make
sure
that's
you
know
what
the
mayor
also
wants
to
do
or
if
there's
any
questions
comments
from
him
before
he
he
does
take
that
action
all
right.
All
right.
Let's
go
to
staff
report.
B
All
right
so
july
fast
track
applications.
We
had
wayne
and
elsie
detmer
at
104
east
3rd
street,
replacing
an
existing
modern
standing,
seam
metal
roof
with
an
asphalt
shingle
roof,
it's
more
closely
aligned
with
the
historic
1886
roof
material,
and
we
used
evidence
from
the
sanborn
map
of
that
same
year.
To
do
so,
height
sign
company
received
approval
at
209
west
main
street
to
install
one
hanging
sign
made
of
poly
metal
with
vinyl
graphics
and
one
vinyl
window,
decal
of
the
business
logo.
B
Lynn
and
michelle
pennington
at
227
west
main
to
install
a
four
four
foot
by
four
foot
wooden
hanging
sign
at
right
angle
to
the
building
and
one
vinyl
window
signs.
It's
going
to
be
38
inches
by
23
inches
catherine
burris
at
410,
west
2nd
street
to
replace
the
existing
rear
wood
privacy
fence
with
a
new
six
foot
tall
privacy
fence
in
the
same
location.
B
B
So
I
do
want
to
clarify
that
and
then,
in
looking
at
the
july,
2021
cla
review
john
shuring
had
at
621
presbyterian
avenue
had
an
approval
to
remove
the
existing
deck
on
the
north
side
of
the
home
and
rebuild
with
a
new
deck,
increasing
the
size
to
10
by
14.
The
gable
brief
and
screen
interior
that
has
been
completed.
B
Mark
viterno
at
716
was
third
street
to
build
a
single
car
garage
at
the
left
at
the
rear
of
the
home.
Excuse
me
to
be
14
foot
by
34
foot
with
hardy
ford.
Siding
seven
inch
reveal
to
match
the
home
a
412
pitch
roof
with
shingle
13
foot,
high
walls,
nine
foot,
overhead
garage
door
14
by
16
foot,
driveway
and
white
vinyl
gutters
to
match
the
home.
That
is
in
progress.
B
I
have
spoken
to
mr
fraterna.
Some
of
the
detailing
may
change,
so
it
we're
not
sure
this
project
may
come
back
before
the
board
if
it's
not
a
staff
approval
item,
but
anything
that's
going
to
change
that
he
talked
about
was
very
minor
changes
like
perhaps
the
roof
pitch,
or
something
like
that.
So
obviously
a
roof
fish
would
have
to
come
back
before
the
board,
but
just
to
kind
of
give
an
update
on
that
project.