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Historic District Board of Review- October 25, 2021
A
All
right
welcome
everybody
to
the
october
historic
district
board
review
meeting.
My
name
is
josh
wolver
and
I'll
be
emceeing
the
meeting
from
up
here.
So
I
appreciate
everybody
coming
at
this
point
in
time.
Brooke
we
will
do
roll
call.
C
A
A
All
right
with
that,
we
will
move
on
to
our
next
point
the
agenda,
which
is
the
new
applications
or
existing
applications.
Before
we
do
I'll,
let
everybody
know
what
the
process
is.
I
will
read
aloud
the
application
that
we're
going
to
discuss
if
the
person,
whoever
represents
the
application,
wants
to
come
up
to
the
podium
state.
Your
name
and
your
address
once
you
do
that
roof
will
then
go
over
the
application
and
read
what
has
been
put
on
the
application.
A
Then,
at
that
point
I'll
go
back
to
the
advocate
and
ask
them
if
there's
anything
else,
they
would
like
to
add.
After
that
point,
then
we
will.
The
board
will
ask
questions,
make
any
comments
about
the
application
that
they
might
have.
Then
we'll
give
the
audience
a
chance,
and
at
that
point
the
board
will
then
go
through
what
we
call
findings
of
fact,
and
then
we
will
have
a
vote
on
it.
So
that
is
the
process.
Hopefully
it's
not
too
painful
for
everybody
we'll
try
to
make
it
as
painless
as
possible.
A
B
B
B
Thank
you,
and
so,
like
I
stated
that
apple
can't
decide
to
go
with
the
camelbak
edition,
and
this
will
be
the
one
rendering
the
second.
A
H
I
have
I
have
a
question
about
the
end
site
structure
order.
What
does.
G
G
I
was
actually
asked
to
go
into
the
property
and
look
at
the
structure
itself
when
I
went
in
there's
so
much
termite
damage
that
the
bottom
part
of
where
your
foundation
moles,
are
was
gone.
The
only
thing
holding
the
hub
was
the
shiplap
and
the
outside
of
the
building
was
what's
holding
that
building
up.
H
G
A
E
What
maturity
yeah
we're
going
to
use
like
traditional
the
wood
windows,
the
hardy
back,
siding,
there's,
there's
currently
a
structure
on
the
east
side
of
us.
That
is
exactly
what
we
want
to
do.
We
want
to
mimic
we're
not
going
back
any
further
we're
following
the
sight
lines
for
every
resident
in
the
back
on
the
west
side
and
east
side
to
just
make
it
look.
You
know
conformative,
so
we're
basically
just
using
historic
materials,
we're
not
doing
anything,
fancy
we're,
probably
going
to
use
hardy
back
siding
and
that's
one
of
the
things.
E
E
D
Now
I
brought
this
up
during
the
last
meeting,
but
on
the
on
the
rear
of
the
property,
the
property
actually
drops
down
in
the
back.
So
is
that,
are
there
going
to
be
a
supporting
structures
in
the
back
of
the
property
to
hold
the
back
up?
Are
you
going
to
infill?
Are
you
going
to
fill
it
with
dirt?
Are
you
going
to
bring
in
additional
film
material
to.
D
E
E
J
C
D
A
All
right
hearing,
none
we'll
go
to
our
findings
of
fact,
owen.
You
want
to
start
us
okay,
so.
H
I
think
this
is
a
pretty
simple
case
because
there's
a
demolition
order,
so
the
only
thing
that
can
be
done
is
to
put
something
up
there
again
and
the
fact
that
she's,
using
the
original
footprint
means
that
it's
completely
consistent,
it
possibly
could
be
with
what
is
there
now,
so
that
certainly
fulfills
the
residential
guidelines
on
pages
69-71
and
as
far
as
the
new
construction
of
the
addition
that
will
be
newly
constructed
on
the
guidelines?
Page
68,
it
couldn't
be
more
perfect
because
it's
mirroring
her
historic
neighbors.
K
A
I
do
agree
for
the
same
reasons
so
with
that
I
will
entertain
a
motion.
I
A
Melissa
with
that,
you
will
get
your
coa
in
the
mail.
We
appreciate
what
you
and
todd
are
doing
and
appreciate
you
guys
waiting
and
actually
you
know
really
designing
this
out.
So
we
could
understand
a
lot
of
what
you
were
doing
as
well
as
getting
you
know
the
instructor's
input.
I
know
it
was
another
month
and
I
hate
that
you
waited,
but
hopefully
it
was
worth
it
yeah
and
thank
you
very
much.
B
This
home,
owned
by
dale
wells,
is
a
circa
1850,
contributing
italianate,
zoned
residential
medium
density.
The
coa
request
is
to
build
an
attic
addition
to
the
house
or
excuse
me
to
house
one
room.
A
half
bath
include
four
wood
doors
with
one
being
on
the
front
facade
three
on
the
rear,
using
wood,
asphalt,
shingle,
wood
or
aluminum,
clad
windows,
eight
exterior
lights
and
hardy
board
siding.
Now
the
work
was
begun
without
a
coa.
B
You
can
see
the
rear
at
the
top
front
at
the
bottom,
and
this
is
what
has
been
done
so
far
picture
to
the
left,
showing
the
front
facade
with
the
attic
addition
and
the
picture
on
the
right,
showing
the
rear
facade
with
the
three
sets
of
french
doors.
A
Okay,
does
the
board
have
any
questions
or
comments?
Yes,.
N
H
G
I
was
just
wanting
to
add
that
what
you
can
see
here
in
2013
that
was
on
the
left
side
is,
I
would
assume
pressure
washed
and
cleaned
that
off
of
the
brick
or
you
added
brick
on
this
side.
No,
no!
I
just
cleaned
it
okay,
so
I
think
what
he's
trying
to
say
is
on
this
right
side.
He
would
eventually
clean
that
up
to
where
it
matches
the
left
side.
Yes,
exactly.
H
So
so
this
the
thing
you're
saying
brick
facade
that
will
be
removed
right.
H
A
C
N
I
wanted
to,
I
thought
about
getting
a
paint
that
would
match
the
brick
get
a
mix
that
would
match
the
brick
and
paint
that
the
cup
a
brick
like
color,
that,
as
close
as
I
could
get
to
the
brick.
N
N
Membrane,
there's
a
well:
it
has
a
membrane
like
that
on
it
now,
but
it's
nine
foot
and
9
11
in
in
the
rear.
It's
11
there's
an
11
inch
drop,
so
it
was,
it
was
capable
of
machines,
but
but
a
membrane
would
be
fine
whatever,
honestly,
whatever
is
this,
it
would
be
more.
N
G
D
K
N
At
all,
not
at
all
I
just
screwed
right
now,
it's
just
a
membrane
on
there
and
and
it's
it's
quite
nice,
but
I
can't
see
it
going
up
a
foot,
maybe
three
four
inches.
Could
it
could
roll
under?
But
I
doubt.
N
The
entire
roof-
okay!
Well,
I
used
to
I
used
a.
G
The
roof,
absolutely
I
understand
where
you're
coming
from
mr
wells.
My
question
to
the
board
is
so
the
roofing
that
we're
talking
about
that
he's
going
to
come
back
after
he
adds
his
edition
on
the
attic.
Is
that
what's
in
question
or
that's.
N
Right
well,
if
you're,
looking
I'm
looking
at
the
right,
if
you're
looking
at
this
side
right
here,
this
slope,
the
slope
on
this,
this
side
is
only,
I
think,
it's
less
than
nine
inches
and
that's
from
front
to
back.
C
N
H
K
That's
a
lot
of
slope
exactly
on
the
front
part
of
this,
then
on
your
dormer
that
you're
adding
on
the
front
will
that
be
have
a
gabled
into
it
or.
N
N
K
Can
you
go
back
to
the
front
back
picture
again,
so
we
can
see
what
the
back
looks
like
now,
so
you're
saying
that
you
will
go
all
the
way
across
one
point.
Yes,
sir,.
N
When
the
house
was
originally
built,
when
the
house
was
originally
built,
it
was
the
first
store
in
west
madison
as
it
was
referred
to,
then
excuse
me
please,
and-
and
so
it's
if
they
have
ever
been
inside
of
it-
he's
this.
If
you
could
you
see
the
blind
there
this
this
was
this.
Was
this
first
there
was
that
then
he
later
added
that
and
then
he
added,
then
he
then,
when
his
son
went
to
war,
came
back.
N
N
Three
underground
rooms
underground
under
the
front
lawn
and
I
think
they
stored
jarred
jarred
goods
and
one
of
them
collapsed
and
it's
filled
now
filled
in,
but
the
other
two
are
still
there.
N
N
But
there
was
a
gas
station
next
door
and
if
you,
the
pictures
of
the
historic
society,
show
the
gas
station
with
the
model
a4
and
the
big
jars
above
it,
and
I
think
that
and
there's
another
picture
with
his
granddaughter
playing
there
in
the
front.
And
I
don't-
I
hadn't
still
understood
how
west
madison
and
that
that
being
the
first
store
in
west
madison,
if
madison
only
extended
to
the
railroad
bridge,
I
haven't
seen
or
been
able
to
find
any
more
information
on
where
exactly
west
madison
began.
It.
C
N
Oh
because,
underneath
there
is
another
where
you
can
see
it
on
from
the
behind
there's,
there's
two
stores,
but
you
can
only
see
the
one
story
from
the
front
right
and
so
the
footprint
as
such
had
everything
but
a
bedroom.
N
A
A
N
B
More
than
likely
yes,
because
it
it's
significantly
changing
the
architectural
detailing
on
that
front,
facade
to
where
I
mean
it's,
changing
the
roof
line
and
national
park
service
guidelines
with
the
bulletins
on
editions,
especially
rooftop
editions
state.
Those
should
be
if
built
ever,
should
be
situated
back
from
the
front
facades,
where
they're
not
readily
as
visible.
B
It
more
than
likely
would
would
lose
its
contributing
status,
so
it
loses.
N
It
would
lose
his
his
status
as
a
historic
property.
B
B
The
contributing
structures
are
ones
that
have
retained
the
historic
as
much
historic
material
as
possible
and
the
original
historic
character,
the
ones
that
have
been
greatly
changed,
lose
that
status
of
a
contributing
structure.
In
other
words,
it
doesn't
look
much
like
it
did
when
it
was
originally
built,
and
so
and.
N
I
would
redesign
the
front
for
that.
For
that
reason
alone.
I
would
redesign
the
front
so
that
it
remained
as
before,
but
we
yeah
to
take
it
back
out
and
and
just
change
the
slope
a
little
so
that
there
would
so
that
there
would
be
no
difference
so
that
there
would
be
a
so
that
wouldn't
be
a
noticeable
difference.
A
A
N
Because
I
don't,
I
think
I
I
truly
love
what
madison
represents
historically,
and
I
would
I
would
I
would
be
remiss
or
that
I
to
interfere
with
that
in
any
way.
I'm
just
a
steward.
A
Well,
you,
you
obviously
have
a
huge
passion
for
this
home.
You've
done
your
research
on
it
and
you've.
You
you've
heard
you
know
you're
trying.
N
I
asked
a
lot
of
people
build
overnight
and
a
lot
goes.
A
lot
happens
very
quickly,
but
but
it's
not
true
to
the
guidelines.
The
windows
are
are
off
99
of
time.
The
windows
are,
are,
are
devalued
in
their
size
and
filled
in
you
know,
and
I
am
that's
why
I've
been
hesitant
on
the
rear,
with
the
windows
and.
A
K
N
Yeah
so
yeah,
so
I
would
want
to
stay
with
with
the
guidelines
just
being
a
steward
here
for
a
short
while
that
that
I've
been
the
caretaker
that
the
restoration
is
true,
so
I
would
I
would
remove.
I
would
take
that
down.
I
would
remove
that.
No,
I
wish
I
had
known
that.
A
Well,
dell,
do
you
would
you
be
willing
to
delay
the
application
a
month
to
redesign
that
to
to
do
it?
Do
a
new
design
so
that
you
can
come
back
to
us
and
have
a
have
a
you
know,
pretty.
K
N
Definitely
changes
it
yeah
the
doors
on
the
back
right.
They
don't,
then
I
would
revert
it.
I
would
revert
it
to
it's.
The
original
design
and
and
just
maybe
bring
it
out
two
foot
and
slope
it
yeah,
so
that
it's
so
it
remains.
N
B
If
you
wanted
to
do
a
rough
sketch
of
what
you're
thinking
and
then
we
could
set
up
a
time
to
meet
where
we
can
talk
about
I'll,
go
over
the
guidelines
with
you
and
kind
of
show
you
what
the
national
park
service
bulletin
has
to
say
about
rooftop
editions,
and
we
can
discuss
all
of
that.
If
you'd
like
would.
I
For
one
month,
project
dale's
project
at
one
zero,
three
seven
west
main
street.
I.
I
A
C
A
B
This
home,
owned
by
gary
lyder,
is
a
circa
1840
contributing
federal
zone
specialty
district.
The
coa
request
is
to
demolish
the
non-historic
shed
at
the
alley
and
build
a
24
by
40
garage
with
cement
floor,
10,
siding
a
10
foot
overhead
door
with
exterior
security
lighting,
four
vinyl,
two
by
three
windows
on
each
40-foot
side
and
a
building
height
of
10
feet.
B
O
O
K
Would
you
consider
using
wood
windows
instead
of
vinyl
windows,
yeah
sure
no
problem.
I
H
H
B
It
does
yes,
it
wouldn't
be
uncommon
for
that
roof
to
have
been
repurposed
and
to
be
used
on
the
shed.
But
if
you
look
at
the
construction
and
the
materials,
it
certainly
is
indicative
of
a
more
modern
shed.
B
Like
I
said,
the
nhl
survey
listed
as
such
as
well.
I
honestly
would
think
that
that
roofing
is
probably
was
fair.
Material.
C
B
I
I
don't,
I
mean
again
I
and
not
being
able
to
go
inside
and
look
at
construction
detail.
You
know
just
from
what
I
can
see
on
the
outside.
This
was
not
a
historic
structure.
G
B
A
B
A
B
A
Yeah
sure
sorry.
F
I,
like
ken,
and
you
can
see
demolition
on
ordinance,
basically
says
criteria
for
the
board
to
consider
in
case
of
proposed
demolition.
F
This
structure
was
not
deemed
historic
both
by
our
preservationists
in
the
nhl
survey,
so
I
don't
see
an
issue
with
this
plus
it's
at
the
rear
of
the
property,
and
I
don't
believe
basically
from
both
the
applicant's
testimony
as
well
as
what
the
force
uncovered
here
is
that
it
is.
A
A
F
Building:
okay,
the
new
construction,
infield
building,
69
71
71.
Now
that
the
building's
gone
almost
basically
point
number
one
new
building
should
be
compatible
with
adjacent
buildings
in
terms
of
height
will
be,
rebuilding
should
be
compatible
with
adjacent
buildings.
That's
the
career
of
the
property
and
it
will
be,
and
new
buildings
should
be
compatible
with
in
terms
of
setbacks,
and
that's
also.
A
L
K
A
All
right
well,
gary
you'll,
get
your
certificate
of
appropriateness
in
the
mail
for
demolition
and
for
the
build
of
the
new
building
awesome.
Thank
you
appreciate
it.
Thank
you
very
much.
Congratulations!
B
This
owner
of
this
home,
owned
or
in
the
applicant,
is
christy
nichols
patrick
lynch,
so
circa,
1990,
non-contributing,
modern
movement,
zoned
historic
district
residential.
B
You
can
see
where
the
home
is
situated.
Currently
with
the
two
parcels
and
photographs
of
the
front,
the
deck
on
the
rear,
the
current
one,
sorry,
you
can
see
the
deterioration
on
the
current
deck.
B
This
is
a
setback.
Excitement
plan.
Excuse
me
a
sketch
of
showing
the
rear
deck,
what
it
would
be,
what
it
would
look
like.
A
Away
from
your
current
neighbors,
so
yeah
about
that
part
and
we're
not
going
to
prove
that
part,
but
do
you
have
anything
to
add
to
anything
brooks
said:
okay,
any
questions
or
comments
from
the
board
on
this
application.
K
Patrick,
what
is
the
step
down
from
the
original
gable
of
the
house
to
the
gable
of
the
covered
deck.
A
K
You
want
me
to
do
the
edition
or
deck.
A
K
Yeah,
so
additions
to
historic
homes
should
be
added
to
the
rear
buildings.
Addition
should
be
smaller
and
simpler
than
the
original
building,
which
was
why
I
asked
the
question
it
sounds
like
you've
stepped
it
down
enough
to
make
that
happen.
Addition
should
be
of
compatible
design,
roof,
shape,
materials,
color
and
location
of
window
door,
and
cornice
heights
edition
should
not
imitate
earlier
historical
style
such
as
like
victorian,
so
we're
good
there.
The
addition
should
reflect
their
current
design
style
but
be
compatible
with
the
original
structure.
K
In
addition,
addition
should
avoid
extensive
removal
or
damage
to
the
historic
structure,
and
I
think
we're
fine
on
both
of
those
for
the
decks
on
page
64.
Residential
guidelines.
Porches
are
preferred
to
decks,
but
decks
are
acceptable
and
the
at
the
rear
of
the
historic
building,
which
is
what
you're
doing
located
at
the
rear
of
the
building
deck,
should
be
of
simple
design.
K
K
So
I
think,
according
to
the
findings
of
fact,
for
the
edition
and
for
the
tech
that
you've
met
all
the
requirements.
Thank
you
jerome.
I.
K
Based
on
the
preceding
findings
of
fact,
I
move
that
madison
historic
district
board
of
review
grant
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
christy
nichols
and
patrick
lynch
located
at
820
fillmore
street
for
a
three
foot
extension
of
an
existing
room
at
the
rear
of
the
historic
structure
or
not
historic
structure.
I
guess
using
the
same
materials
as
existing,
which
we've
already
discussed
and
tearing
off
the
existing
deck
and
replacing
it
with
a
larger
22
by
25
foot
deck
with
cabled
roof
using
existing
materials
and
painting
and
staining
to
match
the
house.
C
K
K
So,
let's
start
over
based
on
the
preceding
findings,
in
fact,
I
moved
at
the
madison
historic
board
of
review,
grant
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
christy,
nichols
and
patrick
lynch
for
the
proposed
three
foot
extension
to
the
front
of
the
house
of
an
existing
structure
and
the
let's
see
where
they
are
hang
on
a
minute.
K
D
A
B
This
home,
owned
by
chris
and
gina
lynn,
is
a
circa
1870,
contributing
italian
zoned
historic
district
residential.
The
coa
request
is
to
demolish
the
two
rear
chimneys
and
we
can
see
by
the
pictures
that
that
has
been
done.
The
one
on
the
left,
the
easternmost,
has
been
the
one
on
the
right.
These
are
current
pictures,
and
these
are
close-ups
just
showing
the
the
picture
on
the
left
is
actually
the
chimney
on
the
right.
So
sorry
probably
should
have
switched
those,
but
I
found
this
picture
from
2013
the
chimney.
P
Well,
we
had
the
original
intention
to
keep
both
of
them,
but
when
we
started
taking
down
the
chimneys
on
one
side,
we
were
going
to
do
a
header
across
and
found
it
was
too
much
weight
and
it
deteriorated
too
much
so
the
first
one
came
down
which
would
be
if
you're
facing
the
home
on
the
right.
So
it's
the
one
that's
missing
right
now,
the
one
on
the
the
left
side
was
falling
apart.
We
were
trying
to
save
it
and
it
was
leaking
so
bad
that
it
was.
P
It
was
just
crumbling
on
the
inside,
so
our
original
intent
was
to
go
ahead
and
keep
both
of
them.
But
then,
after
we
started
to
look
at
them
and
try
to
like,
I
said
one
whole
side
we've
taken
down
already
and
then
the
other
side
we'd
like
to
take
down
also
so
that
was
the
original
intent
and
this
just
actually
occurred
pretty
fast.
It
was
like
the
first
week
of
october
that
we
had
a
crew
actually
start
to
dismantle
the
chin
before
we
found
that
it
was
deteriorated.
A
M
P
Yeah
on
the
right
on
the
right
side,
yeah,
it
had
already
happened
and
it
was
already
gone.
Okay
before
we
go
on
the
left
side,
we're
able
to
salvage
up
because
we
want
to.
We
want
to
keep
keep
that
whole
side
up
almost
to
the
top
okay.
So
that
was
the
goal
so,
but
we
did
not
see
until
after
the
fact
on
the
on
the
right
side,
so
yeah.
C
M
A
M
M
A
A
P
We
really
tried
to
do
an
engineering
approach
with
a
big
header,
metal
header
and
everything
to
hold
the
weight
as
we
took
everything
out
yeah
and
they
said
it
was
just
going
to
be
too
unsafe.
So
when
they
started
taking
it
down,
it
really
all
happened
within
a
couple
days
and
we
didn't
realize
it
was
already
gone
and
so
brian
you
know
our
contractor.
You
know
he's
like
it's
gone.
P
P
C
P
Yeah
they're
light,
but
we'd
have
to
build
that
up
and
that
that's
that's
like
a
plan
b,
but
brian
and
I
have
talked
about
it.
But
then
we
were
concerned
with
the
other,
the
one
that
we're
keeping
on
the
other
side
that
we're
going
to
have
to
figure
out
something
to
do
with
that
either
tear
it
down
and
not
do
the
same
thing
or
you
don't
think
we
can
salvage
what
you
see
exposed
to
the
elements.
P
You
know
no,
no,
it's
not.
The
only
trouble
that
we've
had
is
it's
getting
resources
in
time,
and
so
we
talked.
P
About
trying
to
partition
some
time
off
to
go
ahead
and
take
care
of
this
stuff-
and
I
don't
know
if
you've
experienced
the
same
thing,
but
it
takes
months
to
do
anything
so
this
just
occurred.
You
know
the
first
week
second
week
of
october,
so
we're
just
trying
to
figure
out
what
the
course
of
action
is.
M
D
So
what
were
the
recommendations
from
brian
regarding
these
two
chimneys
and
their
structural
impact
on
the.
P
He
wanted
to
keep
both
of
them,
but
when
we
had
the
crew
start
to
take
it
down,
dismantle
that
he
told
us,
like
I
said
within
about
24
hours,
that
it
needed
to
come
down
all
of
it,
and
he
was
very
saddened
by
that
and
he
said
the
second
one.
He
would
recommend
taking
it
down
to
a
certain
level
inside
the
interior,
and
that
was
his
recommendation
to
do
and
he
said
that
he
wanted
to
go
ahead
and
shingle
them.
But
but
we
thought
we
were
going
to
be
able
to
do
that.
P
And
so
now
we're
here
today
just
to
see
if
that's
an
option,
because
I
went
back
to
him
and
said:
can
we
if
we
have
to
what
would
it
take
to
go
ahead
and
build
a
structure
to
foe
a
chimney
up
there?
And
he
said
that
he
can
look
at
that
and
talk
to
our
mason
matt.
It's
an
option,
but
but
he
said
he
just
machined
them.
D
So
he
didn't
feel
the
existing.
The
remaining
parts
of
the
chimney
would
support
additional
weight
and
new
brickwork
on.
C
A
All
right
well
hearing
none!
I
was
gonna-
have
to
do
this
one,
but
jerry.
L
Chimney
space
38
chimneys
are
often
decorative
and
should
be
maintained
and
preserved
in
accordance
with
the
guidelines.
They
should
not
be
removed
or
altered
if
the
original
or,
if
they're
significant,
they
should
be
repointed
and
cleaned,
they
can
be
match
the
guidelines
if
it
becomes
unstable
or
already
collapsed,
rebuild
to
match
the
original
design
chimney.
Caps
should
be
of
clay
slate,
metal
or
stone,
and
last
chimney
should
not
be
covered
with
stucco
or
other
veneers.
L
It
would
appear
that,
based
upon
my
reading
of
that
that
what
they're
doing
is
is
not
within
the
guidelines.
K
Tom,
I
need
to
recuse
myself
for
a
conflict
of
interest
drunk.
I
L
A
Chimneys
are
a
decorative
type
thing.
We
don't
utilize
our
chimneys
as
so
much
today
as
they
did.
You
know
back,
you
know
in
the
earlier
years.
You
know
we
do
try
to
do
what
we
can
to
sacrifice
chimneys,
that
we
have-
and
I
think
you
guys
have
certainly
tried
to
do-
that.
It's
not
like
you
went
in
with
the
intention
of
taking
these
down,
and
you
know
you
don't.
I
don't
know
that
you
even
take
it
doesn't
sound
like
you're,
taking
all
the
chimney
down
on
the
inside.
A
You
know
you
still
cut
some
brick
there,
but
you
don't
know
how
much
really
weight
that
it
can
support.
Obviously
they
couldn't
support
it,
because
they've
taken
some
of
the
chimney
down
over
the
years
anyway.
So
there's
something
going
on
in
the
past.
So
you
know
it
doesn't
meet.
Certainly
the
the
number
three
on
this,
but
you
know.
I
also
think
that
this
is
one
of
those
where
we
have
to
try
to.
You
know
utilize
our
heads
a
little
bit
too
so.
A
I
Take
a
motion
so
based
on
the
preceding
findings
of
fact,
I
move
that
to
madison
historic
district
board
of
review
deny
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
chris
and
janet
214,
16
west.
Second,
to
demolish
the
chimneys.
However,
I
would
approve,
I
would
approve
a
coa.
I
move
that
we
approve
the
coa
if
they
rebuild
the
chimneys
as
they
discussed,
you
mean
that
they,
if
you
think
yeah,
but
the
frame
okay,
condition.
A
I
think
that
if
we
would
deny
it,
then
they
they
would.
Another
motion
would
be
made
to
approve
what
they
want
to
do.
I
don't
think
we
want
to
do
it,
so
I'm
just
saying
it's
confusing,
though
so
I
would
stay
they'll
stay
with
the
deny
and
then,
if
it
is
denied,
then
you
can
make
a
motion
to
approve
if
they
are
willing
to
do
so,
though,
the
board
would.
C
G
C
G
I
B
H
Know
what's
happening
here
approved
means
that
it's
the
night
that
is.
C
A
Okay,
so
because
because
the
motion
was
made
to
deny
it,
it
did
not
get
more
than
four,
you
know
did
not
get
four
votes
or
more
to
prove
that
motion.
So
therefore,
you
actually
do
get
approved
for
your
request
to
don't
demolish
the
chimneys,
and
then
you
know
in
the
back
the
two
in
the
back.
Sorry
well
right
now,
I'm
not
in
the
motions,
that's
good,
but.
A
All
right
so
with
that
that
finishes
out
our
applications
for
this
evening,
we'll
be
moving
on
to
new
slash
old
business,
so
brooke
you
want
to
take
us
into.
B
So
the
first
issue
of
new
slash
old
business
I
wanted
to
bring
up
is
that
in
july
of
this
year
I
did
a
staff
approved
cla
for
the
sign
for
mad
love.
Sign,
it's,
I
believe
it's
709
west
main
street.
B
B
However,
I
did
not
catch
it
at
the
time,
so
I
did
issue
an
approved
coa
and
the
sign
was
installed
not
too
long
ago
earlier
this
month
after
receiving
some
feedback
from
the
community,
and
we
were
going
over
the
application
in
the
office,
that's
when
the
error
was
discovered,
so
I
want
to
apologize
to
the
board
and
to
the
public
for
that
mistake,
and
I
want
to
ensure
you
that
I've
definitely
put
steps
in
place
to
make
sure
that
such
an
error
does
not
happen
again,
but
in
order
you
know.
A
Thank
you
for
for
telling
us.
I
think
the
board
obviously
was
you
know,
has
had
some
concerns,
I
think
from
the
public
as
well.
You
know
we've
received
some
of
those.
What
can
you
tell
me
any
of
the
steps
or
some
of
the
stuff
that
you
put
in
place
to
make
sure
this
doesn't
happen
to
me.
B
Sure,
absolutely
with
all
sign
applications
the
building
inspector
reviews,
those
as
well
before
a
coa
is
issued,
but
we
also
have
the
department
head
nicole.
Shell
is
reviewing
those
applications
as
well
to
get
another
set
of
eyes
on
it.
I've
also
created
a
checklist
and
I've
written
down.
I
know
this
sounds
silly,
but
I've
written
down
the
exact
formula
to
use
for
area
which
I
know
what
it
is,
but
I
put
a
reminder
to
myself
to
double
check
my
map
and
I've
also
for
each
new
sign
application.
A
Have
we
sent
any
communication
to
the
owners
of
the
property
that
they
signed
actually
was
not
in
within
the
guidelines
and
that
they,
although
it
was
approved
that
it
should
not
have
been
staff
approved
at
that
point
in
time,.
B
Yes,
I
did
speak
to
them
verbally
about
that
issue
after
I
had
spoken
to
devin
to
let
him
get.
R
B
Our
attorney
to
let
him
you
know
to
inform
him
about
the
issue,
and
so
I
did
contact
the
owners
of
the
property,
and
so
they
are
aware
that
it
was
a
mistake.
However,
devon's
opinion
was
that,
since
the
coa
was
already
issued,
that
the
sign
is
to
remain
at
this
time,
how.
B
I
can
pull
the
exact
dimensions
because
I
don't
want
to
tell
you
the
wrong
thing.
So
let
me
pull
that
if
you
don't
mind,
but
it
is
larger
than
it's
supposed
to
be
significantly
larger
than
it's
supposed
to
be
I'll.
Pull
the
exact
dimensions:
real,
quick,
okay,
I'll
give
you
a
second.
F
B
My
internet
is
not
working.
I
apologize,
go
grab
that
application
real,
quick
sure
and.
F
B
C
B
I
I
can't
answer
that
question
I
I
that
has
not
been
asked
the
question's
not
been
asked.
It
was.
You
know,
an
issue
that
I
definitely
wanted
to
bring
to
the
board
to
discuss.
A
So
I
think
that
you
probably
need
to
ask
the
mayor,
okay
and
I'll
be
more
than
happy
to
be
a
part
of
that
conversation.
K
A
I
know
this
is
a
big
topic
in
the
community
and
we
may
have
people
in
the
community
that
may
want
to
come
up
and
speak
on
the
topic.
So
if
you
do,
please
feel
free
to
come
up.
You
do,
please
state
your
name
and
address
as
you
do
and
then.
Q
Q
You
can
only
have
eight
inch
letters
on
a
window,
there's
a
there's
a
building
currently
without
with
bigger
letters,
but
someone
on
the
board
back
then
took
it
upon
themselves
to
measure
every
letter
down
the
street.
My
lowercase
g
with
a
little
curlicue
was
a
half
inch
off.
They
wanted
me
to
scrape
that
off.
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
There's
not
been
no
push
back
on
that.
Those
two
signs-
and
you
know
I
feel
like
I've-
been
slighted
because
I've
been
working
on
mine
for
36
years
and
I
think
I
deserve
a
little
bit
more
respect
than
having
something
down
the
street
that
is
twice
the
size
of
the
orbitals
you
know
allowed
to
stay.
I
was
told
that
oh,
the
city
can't
do
anything
about
it,
because
it's
already
improved,
you
approved
somebody
tearing
down
their
chimneys
if
they
build
it
back
already.
Q
S
Julie,
truax
316
mill
street,
which
is
the
corner
of
maine
and
mill,
which
is
depending
on
which
direction
you're
coming
from
a
half
a
block
before
or
after
mad
love,
very
excited
about
the
new
restaurant
town,
something
we
need
can't
wait
to
eat
there.
The
sign
is
inappropriate,
no
matter
how
big
it
is.
S
That's
not
even
a
part
of
what
I
would
complain
about.
It's
inappropriate
for
the
neighborhood.
You
drive
down
the
street.
You
start
at
the
corner
at
craigmont,
you
look
at
what's
madison
apothecary,
you
look
at
old-time
marketplace.
You
look
at
margie's
country
store.
You
look
at
the
trolley
barn.
You
look
at
the
attic
which
I
am
the
former
owner
of
I've
been
on
that
corner
and
been
in
that
vicinity
for
50
years,
bad
apple,
max
little
golden
fox,
the
dermabar.
S
S
I
agree
that
it's
huge
and
it's
way
too
big,
but
that's
the
least
of
what
I
am
concerned
about
and
again
through
the
years
we've
had
to
change
our
signs.
We've
had
to
do
things
I
will
tell
you.
Kevin,
has
always
made
sure
that
what
we
were
doing
was
appropriate
to
this
community.
That
sign
is
not
appropriate
period.
S
It's
just
gosh,
you
kind
of
know
whatever
it's
just
not
it's
not
to
me
historic
at
all.
S
L
B
The
only
thing
our
site
ordinance
states
about
lights
is
that
they
cannot
be
flashing
or
in
motion
it
does
allow
for,
and
then
it
talks
about
the
the
way
signs
that
they
cannot
be
backlit
like,
in
other
words,
the
signs
you
would
see
like,
let's
say,
for
example,
taco
bell
to
where
it's
a
plastic
sign
in
a
box,
and
it's
lit
from
behind
our
side.
Ordinance
states
those
specifically
related
to
lighting,
but
it
does
not
in
any
way
prohibit
a
sign
from
being
lit.
B
R
So
kim
canard
I'm
the
owner
of
mad
love
at
709,
west
main
street.
So
when
we
put
when
we
went
for
the
sign
just
as
far
as
mad
love,
I
mean
it's
madison
love
is
what
love
for
max
and
that's
what
it
stands
for
and
you
drink.
So
that
was
the
thought
process.
The
design
of
the
sign
is
old
school
madison.
R
So
we
looked
at
pictures
of
what
main
street
looked
like
in
the
30s,
and
the
sign
looks
exactly
like
the
neon
and
the
very
similar
to
the
neon
and
the
lights
that
were
done
in
the
20s
and
30s.
So
we
actually
replicated
more
of
what
old
madison
looked
like
than
the
flat
sides.
As
far
as
the
sign
the
size,
I
mean
we
just
we
hired
our
sign
company
to
create
what
we
wanted
it
to
look
like
within
the
neon
and
the
color
and
then
the
lights.
R
So
I
would
say
that
in
the
short
time
that
my
husband
and
I
have
been
here-
we're
a
huge
part
of
the
community
and
our
house
is
on
the
christmas
tour.
And
so
not
only
are
we
opening
a
restaurant
but
we're
opening
our
ourselves
up
to
allow
these
other
businesses
to
bring
more
people
into
madison.
So
our
goal
is
to
help
the
community
and
to
really
prosper,
and
I
know
that
kindness
there's
a
huge
mural.
Who
knows
how
big
those
letters
are,
but.
A
Is
you
know
some
we're
able
to
get
some
reconciliation
on
the
size
of
the
sign?
Is
that
something
you
guys
are
going
to
be
cooperating
with
or
be
agreeable
with.
A
A
What
we
you
will
obviously
will
be
in
contact
through
this
process,
but
yeah.
I
just
wanted
to
get
your
thoughts.
R
L
Hey
kim,
as
as
part
of
the
design
process,
I'm
assuming
that
both
you
and
jeff
probably
had
ideas
on
your
own.
You
know
maybe
five
or
ten
hey.
Let's
do
this.
Let's
do
that!
Maybe
you
narrowed
it
down
worked
with
heights.
I
would
think
that
a
professional
like
heights
would
then
come
back
and
say:
hey
here's
playing
a
b,
c
d
and
f
or
something
where
were
there
options
considered?
L
R
Know
as
far
as
the
exact
size,
how
that
was
determined,
I'm
not
exactly
sure,
but
the
design
process,
I
mean
it's
in
a
piece
it's
in
a
scrapbook.
As
far
as
like
I
mean
I
have
that
as
far
as
what
jeff
and
I
wanted,
but
we
truly
wanted
the
letters
going
up
and
down
in
the
e
plus
drink
I
mean
we
knew
exactly
what
we
wanted
it
to
look
like
and
heist
came
back
with
us
with
a
couple
different
renderings
of
what
they
felt
like,
but
it
ended
up
being
kind
of
stacked.
R
The
way
that
we
wanted
it,
we
weren't
sure
what
the
dimensions
needed
to
be
in
order
to
fit,
but
they
came
back
and
said
you
know
this
is
this
is
what
we
can
do
and
submitted
everything
for
us.
L
C
Q
She's
correct
that
we
had
signs
back
in
the
30s,
40s
and
50s,
and
that
were
huge.
You
know
and
for
some
reason,
mr
lin
here
he
he
wrote
the
ordinances
along
with
john
gavin
right.
Q
Q
That's
that's
a
half
a
four
by
eight
sheet
of
plywood,
but
it
I've
learned
to
do
designs
within
that
framework.
I
don't
know
why
mr
heinz
doesn't
have
the
same
capabilities.
D
Q
Q
Q
But
you
know
it's
it's
just
you
know
not
going
to
be
right.
If
you
let
that
stand,
I
you
know
I.
I
sympathize
that
it's
not
maybe
ideally
it'd
be
great
to
see
it
come
down.
Realistically,
I
don't
know
that's
up
to
you
all
yeah
thank.
A
You
well,
I
appreciate
the
public
comment
and
you
know
I
do
want
to
make
sure
everyone
understands.
You
know
this
is.
It
certainly
was
a
mistake
and
humans
do
make
mistakes
and
I'm
never
going
to
condemn
somebody
for
making
a
mistake.
We
all
have
done
it.
We
all
do
it
a
lot
of
it
is
how
you
know
we
come
to
some.
You
know
reconciliation
of
how
to
fix
the
air
if
it's
possible,
so
you
know
I
I'm
not
going
to
condemn
brooke
and
brooke.
A
He
was
gracious
enough
to
sit
here
and
pull
her
heart
out
and
saying
you
know
what
happened
and
that's
always
hard
to
do
in
and
of
itself,
and
I
also
understand
the
public's.
You
know
concerns
over
it.
You
know
we
have
heard
public
opinion,
not
just
from
what
we've
heard
today
we
have
other.
You
know
some
of
us
have
heard
public
opinion
outside
of
that
some
good.
You
know
some
people
have
said
some
very
good
comments
about
it
and
some
people
have
said
some.
A
Not
so
you
know,
I
mean
it,
you,
you
hear
you
on
both
sides,
but
we
certainly
are
going
to
take
all
this
under
advisement.
As
I
stated
to
you
brooke
you
and
I
will
talk
to
the
mayor
and
and
we
will
go
from
there
and
then
we
will
bring
that
back
to
the
board.
What
the
mayor
has
stated,
you'd
like
to
do.
A
B
Only
the
solid
portions
of
the
sign
can
be
measured
to
combine
for
the
total
percentage
of
how
much
it
covers
the
window.
So
all
of
the
spacing
in
between
letters
in
between
the
design,
the
bird
all
those
things
all
the
spacing
counts
as
uncovered
by
the
sign,
even
though
the
sign
does
appear
to
be
large.
B
When
you
calculate
only
the
solid
areas,
it
does
not
cover
that
percentage
of
the
window,
and
I
actually
went
to
nicole
on
that
one
to
ask-
and
she
was
the
one
who
provided
guidance
on
that.
One.
B
The
others
for
rivertowne,
I
believe,
the
signs
that
mr
carlson
is
referring
to
are
the
the
photographs
that
are
in
the
windows,
as
I
believe
there,
it's
a
vinyl
application
on
the
window,
the
sign
ordinance
it
relates
to
any
it
defines
a
sign
as
a
sign.
That
is
something
to
promote
the
business
or
business
activities
inside.
B
B
So
those
have
to
be
looked
at
a
little
bit
differently
and
then
that
gets
into
the
guidelines
and
the
ordinance
that
we
do
not
regulate
what
is
inside
or
interior.
So
just
as
we
wouldn't
regulate
a
window
display
if
a
store
owner
wants
to
put
photographs
on
their
windows,
that
does
not
count
as
a
sign
because
it
does
not
have
lettering
to
the
to
name
the
business
or
to
the
business
activity.
B
So
there
are
a
lot
of
nuances
there
and
I
very
much
appreciate
and
understand.
You
know
that.
That's
definitely
something
we
have
to
look
at
and
just
to
clarify
our
ordinance
is
18
inch.
Letters.
C
C
A
A
I'm
not
sure
that
I'm
very
clear
so
you
know
I
know
this
goes
to
us
needing
to
look
at
the
ordinance.
The
mayor
knows
very
much
wanting
to
do
that
and
so,
but
yeah.
We
need
to
try
to
make
it
as
clear
as
possible,
so
it
may
be
good
to
get
some
bullet
points
and
pulling
and
making
sure
we're
doing.
The
things
are
correct
on
this.
A
I
just
do
want
to
remind
the
board.
We
are
looking
certainly
at
preservation
awards,
so
keep
that
keep
looking
at
your
emails
on
that
as
we
move
towards
those
in
this
next
month.
Coming
up
so
and
then
I
know,
I've
asked
for
to
make
sure
she
does
send
out
to
the
board
a
list
of
applications
and
people
that
have
been.
A
You
know
very
historic
preservation,
driven
over
the
past
couple
years,
we're
looking
at
the
last
two
years
with
these
they
just
kind
of
helped
gelled
our
memories.
You
know
I,
as
I
told
her,
I
said
I've
seen
so
many.
I
don't
know.
J
C
A
Some
of
that
to
us,
so
we
can,
you
know,
look
at
some
of
those
as
a
good
graphics
point:
okay,
any
other
new
business
from
board.
A
A
B
B
That
is
the
I
believe
that
one's
the
magpie
sign,
323,
east
main
llc,
colin
flynn
at
323.25,
east
main
street
for
wood
or
aluminum,
clad
wood
windows,
linda
lytle,
at
416,
st
michael's,
avenue
for
metal,
gutters,
wood,
porch,
post
and
hardy
board
sighting.
The
work
was
done
prior
to
the
coa
being
issued.
B
Jeremy
mccloskey
at
815,
east,
first
street
water,
aluminum,
clad
wood
windows,
hardy
ford,
siding
and
soffits
and
hmi
at
118,
west
3rd
street,
for
a
wooden
ada
ramp,
located
on
the
west
side,
at
the
rear
of
the
property
between
the
museum
and
gardens,
and
then
the
october
2020
coa
review
genie
battle
at
urbato.
B
I'm
not
sure
how
you
would
say
that
I
apologize
317
e
street
coa
was
to
construct
a
10
by
15
foot
porch
on
the
north,
rear
of
the
home,
replace
existing
door
and
windows
with
a
double
excuse
me
ex
with
a
door
with
side
lights
and
double
hung.
Aluminum
clad
window
that
was
in
that
is
in
progress,
currently
paul
davis
at
708
east
1st
street,
to
remove
one
full-size
window
on
enclosed
east
side
of
home
and
install
a
transom
to
remove
existing
windows
and
install
one
double-hung
vinyl
window.
A
I'm
gonna
ask
the
question:
I'm
sure
somebody
else
has
probably
gotten
there.
My
vinyl
was
that
replacing
vinyl.
B
Got
here
I
honestly
do
not
know.
I
just
looked
at
the
coa
on
these,
but
I
can
dig
into
that
for
you.
I
don't
know.
B
Oh
no,
no,
these
are
the
2020s
disregard.
Sorry,
no.