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From YouTube: City of Madison Parks Board - January 26, 2021
Description
Parks Board Agenda
1. Approval of Minutes
2. Golf Report / Update on course finances
3. Director’s Report
4. Fund Balances/Claims
Suspend Regular Meeting Before Public Hearing
5. New Business
A) Mayor Courtney/ Matt Woolard Sunrise Golf Course/Crystal
Beach/Campground- Fees
Next Regular Meeting: Tuesday, February 23rd, 2021 at 6:00 p.m. – City Hall
A
E
G
H
H
C
Good
evening,
everyone
so
tonight's
meeting
we're
going
to
talk
about
the
year-end
results
for
sunrise
golf
course.
In
particular,
we've
been
addressing
the
fiscal
issues
there,
bringing
that
to
the
yours
and
the
community's
attention
really.
Since
august,
we
started
working
on
this
in
spring
of
last
year,
but
in
december
I'll
just
remind
you
what
we
talked
about.
C
The
ability
to
fund
future
capital
expenditures
which
right
now
is
non-existent,
reduce
stress
on
the
overall
parks
budget
because
sunrise
golf
courses
deficits
are
consuming
over
20
percent
of
the
entire
parks
budget
that
has
to
be
utilized
for
the
for
the
city
and
then
also
we
need
a
lower
operational
cost
to
reduce
the
revenue
burden.
So
we've
been
talking
about
the
month
to
month
operating
results
and
what
we
have
here
see
if
I
can
blow
this
up
a
little
bit
I'll
I'll,
do
some
high
level
things
here.
C
So
this
is
12
months
of
operations
at
sunrise
golf
course.
There
are
approximately
five
categories
of
revenue
that
generated
revenue
of
300
and
almost
371
thousand
dollars.
The
bulk
of
that
revenue
comes
from
green
fees,
which
is
from
paid
rounds
as
well
as
season
member
passes
and
cart
stickers,
so
as
well
as
carton,
private
rental
and
that
produced
371
thousand
dollars
of
revenue.
C
If
you
look
at
the
expense
side
of
the
equation,
we
have,
we
have
about
six
full-time
non-seasonal
staff
at
sunrise
and
that
combined
with
the
benefits
which
is
medical
and
pension
and
the
part-time
labor,
that's
used
there.
Salaries
and
benefits
alone
was
463
thousand
dollars,
which
was
125
percent
of
the
revenue
collected.
C
The
deficit
at
sunrise
golf
course
was
almost
370
thousand
dollars.
You
can
equate
that
to
losing
approximately
thirty
one
thousand
dollars
a
month,
it
cost
seven
hundred
and
forty
thousand
dollars
to
operate
the
golf
course
and
it
generated,
as
we
mentioned
up
here,
three
hundred
seventy
thousand
dollars
in
revenue.
C
If
you
look
at
the
season
member
pass
structure
right
now,
there
are
four
categories:
adult
spouse,
college
and
high
school,
and
you
can
see
how
that
is
kind
of
stratified
across
there
to
the
235
members
and
the
weighted
average
pass
based
on
that
category
is
429
for
unlimited
golf
for
the
year
in
2020,
the
dollar
per
round
or
price
per
round
of
golf
was
17,
assuming
they
played
18
holes
and
so
a
season
member
pass
holder
on
average.
Again.
C
I
know
that
there's
categories
here,
but
on
average
would
recover
the
full
value
of
their
member
pass
after
25
rounds
of
golf.
But
throughout
the
course
of
the
year
the
number
of
rounds
played
by
on
average
by
a
member
pass
holder
is
81,
and
so
there
were
13
121
rounds
of
golf
played
in
excess
of
what
we
equate
to
the
value
of
the
pass
and
that
that
also
translates
to
an
average
price
per
round
of
golf
for
the
member
pass
holders.
5.29.
C
C
What
you
will
hear
tonight
really
is:
how
do
we
eliminate
this
deficit
and
we've
approached
it
in
three
ways?
Part
of
it
is
a
change
in
fee
structure.
Another
part
is
creating
new
revenue
streams
for
the
golf
course
which
are
extremely
important
to
eliminate
the
burden
on
the
golfers,
but
also
reduce
overhead,
but
if
none
of
those
things
happen
and
all
we
did
was
saying
how
how
what
is
the
equivalent
cost
to
operate?
The
golf
course
at
breakeven
we'd
have
to
charge
1700
per
member
pass.
C
C
Other
fee
structure.
Here
again
it
just
breaks
down
the
fact
that
we
have
cart
stickers
at
425
a
year,
cart
storage
at
300
a
year
guest
rider
passed
at
165
a
year,
cart
rental
was
13,
and
then,
if
someone
brought
their
private
car
onto
the
course,
it
was
eight
dollars
board
the
I'll.
Stop
there
and
answer
any
questions
you
might
have
with
regards
to
the
finances,
but
I
think
the
finances
are
pretty
clear,
which
is
which
is
this
over
the
last
five
years.
C
The
the
rate
structure
like
we're,
proposing
to
do
here
to
try
to
offset
some
of
these
deficits,
or
it's
going
to
be
subjected
to
having
to
borrow
money
to
correct
the
deferred
maintenance
across
the
entire
system,
and
that
is
that
could
be
in
the
tune
of
millions
of
dollars
or
you
end
up
just
letting
sunrise
go
and
to
continue
to
fall
into
greater
disrepair
and
then
that
hurts
that
hurts
play.
It
hurts
the
attractiveness
of
sunrise
golf
course.
C
We
think
it's
a
just
an
exceptional
community
asset
that
we
we
need
to
preserve,
but
it
it
it
doesn't
operate
itself
and
you'll
see
later
too
how
much
reliance
the
city
has
on
fees
and
across
the
board
to
support
its
entire
park
structure.
So
I'll
pause
there
see
if
the
board
has
any
questions,
but
that's
just
a
snapshot
for
2021's
deficits,
which
shouldn't
be
surprised.
Anybody,
because
we
were
talking
about
this
beginning
in
august
and
it's
a
little
higher
than
we
expected,
but
not
unexpected
any
questions
on
the
board.
J
So
for
my
report,
it's
going
to
be
a
little
bit
different
than
normal,
and
this
is
kind
of
picking
up
right
where
mayor
courtney
left
off
of
the
effects
that
it
has.
When
you
have
a
major
asset,
like
sunrise,
draining
the
rest
of
your
park
system.
Our
parks
is
not
simply
just
made
up
of
a
golf
course.
You
have
your
rucker
sports,
complex,
your
city,
campground
your
crystal
beach,
your
dog
park,
your
bicentennial
park,
everything!
That's
on
the
riverfront.
J
You
have
your
neighborhood
parks
like
oak
hill
lorenz.
The
list
truly
goes
on
and
on
about
how
big
our
park
system
really
is,
and
so
yes,
it
may
seem
like
a
lot
of
money
or
1.6
million
operating
budget.
But
truly
it's
not
when
you
take
into
consideration
everything
that
we
have,
that
we
really
take
care
of
and
what
mayor
coordinators
brought
up
with
the
sunrise
alone,
740
000
right
there
in
expenses,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
show
a
couple
of
examples
of
some
deferred
maintenance
throughout
our
park
system.
J
Now
this
is
not
to
say,
our
maintenance
crew
doesn't
do
a
good
job
because
they
do
what's
asked
of
them
and
they
do
their
best.
We
only
have
three
people
maintaining
all
the
parks
outside
of
sunrise,
and
but
this
is
just
what
happens
when
you
coast
by
and
that's
really
the
kind
of
culture
that
we're
trying
to
stop
right
now
and
so
a
primary
example
right
here.
Our
city
campground
made
fifty
one
thousand
dollars
this
year.
J
J
J
I
myself
have
never
personally
seen
anyone
playing
at
lorenz
or
oak
hill,
and
I
can't
say
I
blame
them
when
you
have
grass
completely
growing
through
the
cracks
all
throughout
the
courts,
you
have
the
dirt.
That's
piled
up
there,
that's
dust
that
if
you
try
to
stop
on
you're
going
to
slip
and
fall,
and
so
this
is
the
kind
of
thing
that
you
see
when
you
have
one
asset
draining
away
from
everything
else,
because
we
have
to
focus
on
putting
that
money
back
into
sunrise.
J
Another
example
is
over
by
the
rucker
sports
complex
our
playground
for
all
children
on
the
far
left
you
can
see
in
the
background.
I
know
this
picture
is
a
little
small.
You
have
this
little
children's
playset
right
here
that
yellow
little
wheel
is
broken
every
single
wheel
throughout
that
bit
a
little
kid
acts
like
they're
driving,
every
single
one
of
them
is
broken
and
hanging
all
the
way
down
on
the
little
shelter
houses
is
a
big
hole.
J
You
have
three
of
them
throughout
there
that
just
simply
has
not
been
taken
care
of
to
try
to
cover
things
up,
because
we
don't
have
the
money
for
it.
Just
spray
paint
some
of
it
blue
to
make
it
look
a
little
bit
nicer
and
then
the
last
one
is
still
right
to
the
just
to
the
left
of
the
playground
for
all
children
is
your
skate
park
that
is
seeing
tattered
equipment
and
very
unappealing
curb
appeal.
There.
J
And
lastly,
there's
no
secret
either
about
the
golf
course
we
have
deferred
maintenance
there
as
well.
I'm
going
to
start
again
on
the
left.
We
have
a
lot
of
avid
golfers
in
here.
I'm
sure
you're,
aware
of
the
condition
of
our
cart
pass
that
that's
deteriorating
rather
rapidly.
You've
got
a
lot
of
potholes
throughout
the
entire
course.
J
The
second
one
taking
a
look
at
your
pond.
This
has
not
been
kept
up.
Well
at
all.
You
can
see
the
riprap
coming
up
there
on
the
left
and
it's
really
become
an
eyesore
when
that
should
be
something
that
enhances
that
course,
and
then
the
last
thing
is
we
have
a
very
old
irrigation
system
that
was
put
in
the
70s
that
brandon
and
his
crew
is
constantly
working
on.
It's
one
thing
that
they're
going
to
look
at
that
he
called
me
today
about.
J
Is
they
want
to
fix
it
on
hole,
one
that
fairway,
where
there's
been
a
lot
of
overgrown
area?
It's
simply
because
they
have
a
bad
valve
there
and
they
cannot
keep
up
with
it,
because
it's
constantly
a
marsh.
Basically,
and
so
this
right
here,
you
have
on
the
back
nine
about
30
to
40
yards
in
front
of
the
t
are
in
front
of
a
green
and
you
have
this
unplayable
area,
and
so
these
are
the
kind
of
little
things
that
you
can
see
throughout
our
entire
park
system.
A
J
J
The
big
thing
when
we
were
looking
for
an
online
platform
was
we
wanted
the
ability,
the
ability
that
we
could
do
everything
online,
that
now
you
can
pay
online
that
you
can
reserve
your
tee
time.
You
can
reserve
your
campground
spot.
You
can
sign
your
child
up
for
their
youth,
basketball,
youth,
volleyball,
whatever
it
is,
pay
online,
have
the
entire
league
run
through
here.
J
If
they
were
playing
softball
and
there
was
a
rain
delay,
we
could
just
send
out
a
mass
text
or
email
games
are
canceled,
and
so
it
really
encompasses
our
entire
system
while
being
affordable,
while
not
locking
us
into
any
major
contract
without
any
major
startup
fee
and
honestly,
when
we
started
looking
at
our
receipt
books
and
our
different
things
like
that,
it
really
pays
for
itself
just
from
those
simple
things.
So
I'm
just
going
to
give
a
quick
demonstration
showing
some
of
the
capabilities
here.
J
What
you're
going
to
see
on
the
community
in
this
is
very,
very
user
friendly
and
that's
another
thing
with
a
lot
of
these
platforms.
They
can
get
very
complicated,
but
this
is
not
one
of
them.
So
here
on
your
opening
page
is
your
announcements
and
news,
and
this
weekend
update
as
you
can
see,
I
just
did
one
on
january.
19Th
just
gave
a
quick
thing:
the
city
campground.
J
J
You
would
click
on
there
select
your
member,
I'm
going
to
select,
may,
for
example,
your
fee
type
boom,
save
and
again,
because
I
have
it
set
to
where
it's
I'm
too
old.
For
that
it
won't.
Let
me,
but
that's
truly
as
simple
as
it
is,
to
be
able
to
sign
up
and
have
your
child
pay.
The
next
line
would
just
take
you
to
the
payment
option,
you'd
confirm
and
then
you'd
be
able
to
plug
in
your
credit
card
information,
and
once
you
have
that
already
information
saved
it'll,
take
you
less
than
60
seconds.
E
J
J
J
F
E
J
You
yep
good
questions,
so
the
next
thing
to
show
on
here
memberships.
So
all
of
your
yearly
memberships,
your
pickleball
sunrise,
golf
course
dog
park
walking,
pass
you
name
it
same
kind
of
thing.
You
just
click
on
here,
enroll
fee
types
are
already
set.
You
can
take
your
pick
if
you
want
to
do
a
daily
pass
6
month
12
month,
and
then
you
sign
up,
like
I
said,
very,
very
user
friendly.
You
can
go
through
all
of
our
different
facilities.
J
J
I
have
it
locked,
so
it's
not
going
to
save
it
reserved,
but
right
now
certain
things
are
reserved
because
we
had
it
open
for
a
little
bit,
but
you
could
go
through
and
check
the
availability
for
that
or
for
specific
campsites
or
if
you
wanted
to
rent
out
the
brown
gym
for
a
practice.
Anything
like
that.
J
You
now
have
that
capability
on
here,
instead
of
having
to
call
even
if
it
was
after
hours
or
anything,
and
then
the
other
portion
that
I
mentioned
is
leagues
you'll
be
able
to
run
all
of
our
youth
and
adult
leagues
through
here
as
well.
So
if
you
need
to
check
when
little
timmy's
game
time
is
or
when
the
practice
is
scheduled,
how
the
tournament's
set
up
when
the
games
are,
there's
no
need
to
ask
parents
or
questions
or
anything
like
that.
J
All
the
information
will
be
plugged
in
right
here
and
there's
anything
that
needs
to
be
sent
out
immediately.
Like
I
said,
we
have
that
capability
to
send
out
mass
information,
so
this
truly
just
kind
of
should
make
everyone's
life
a
lot
easier.
I
shouldn't
help
out
with
our
participation
and
then,
if
you
still
need
additional
information
up
here,
it
has
the
link
to
our
social
media
account.
J
And
so
that
is
essentially
a
quick
run
through
of
what
all
we
can
do
with
rec
desk
from
the
community
side
on
our
director's
end,
where
we
can
input
all
the
information
we're
able
to
pull
up
reports
specifically
for
our
different
facilities,
like
our
sunrise,
we
could
do
daily
reports
monthly
periodically
yearly.
However,
we
want
to.
J
E
A
I
E
G
E
Option
second,
second,
any
questions
all
right,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye,
aye.
Okay.
At
this
time
we
would
like
to
suspend
the
regular
meeting
before
the
public
hearing.
So
we
will
do
that
and
we
are
asked
that
each
member
in
attendance
or
each
person
in
attendance
sign
in
so
we
have
record
that
you
did
attend
the
public
meeting
for
us
and
that
is
working
its
way
around.
E
C
The
board
members
could
sign
too
everybody
everybody's
here,
I'll,
go
and
get
started,
because
what
we
wanted
to
do
before
we
get
into
the
actual
proposed
rates
for
the
three-part
facilities
was
give
a
little
overview
as
to
how
the
parks
department's
budget
is
actually
funded,
and
I
think,
there's
some
interesting
insights
on
spending
a
few
minutes
on
this.
So
there's
there's
a
few
things.
That's
that's
relevant
I'll,
toggle
back
and
forth
between
the
documents,
but
you
know
what's
on
the
screen
now,
although
the
the
numbers
are
small,
it's
the.
B
I
C
C
C
This
is
how
much
will
allow
you
to
levy
a
tax
against
that
assist
again
against
that
assessed
value,
so
the
burden
really
for
operating
the
majority
of
the
city
government
is
on
property
tax
owners.
I
mean
property
owners
with
a
property
tax,
but
you,
as
you
kind
of
toggle
all
the
way
down
to
the
bottom.
Here.
C
We
get
you
can
see
the
loan
item
there
on
the
very,
very
far
right
hand,
column
we
get
approximately
18
cents
per
100
of
assessed
value.
Now,
that's
not
18
cents
per
dollar,
that's
18
cents
per
100
and
then
in
just
a
minute.
You'll
you'll
see
why
the
fee
discussion
is
so
relevant
here,
because
a
pretty
you
know,
relatively
small
part
of
our
overall
operating
budget,
is
funded
from
property
taxes
now
toggle
over
here
and.
G
C
But
then
again,
I
hope
that
everybody
here
understands
that
the
parks
department
has
to
support
all
of
these
assets
and
it's
fortunate
to
have
three
or
four
revenue
generating
assets
that
other
communities
don't
have,
such
as
our
swimming
pool,
our
campground,
a
golf
course,
and
then
revenue-
that's
created
from
our
youth
program,
lead
our
youth
programming
up
up
at
rucker,
but
the
city
parks
department.
I'm
sorry,
the
city
parks
budgeting
process
begins
in
june
of
each
year
and
it
finalizes
in
december,
with
the
department
of
local
government
finance
budget
orders.
C
C
C
C
However,
jefferson
county
residents
do
not
support
city
operations
again,
but
we
charge
a
fee
when
someone
comes
and
uses
some
of
these
now
there's
a
lot
of
open
space
like
on
the
riverfront
and
or
park
system,
there's
a
lot
of
open
space.
That
has
to
be
that's
for
recreation
that
has
to
be
maintained,
but
when
you're
providing
a
service,
there's
a
fee
generally
attached
for
that
service
and
then-
and
what
has
brought
us
here
tonight-
is
to
talk
about
those
those
fees,
particularly
as
relates
to
sunrise
golf
course.
C
We
have
not
been
very
good
as
a
city
in
charging
the
right
amount
of
fees
so
that
we
can
properly
maintain
our
park
assets
and,
at
some
point
in
time
we
come
up
with
this
intersection.
Where
we've
got
a,
we
got
to
do
what
we're
doing
tonight.
If
we're
going
to
have
a
a
high
quality
park
system,
we
think
we're
either
going
to
have
a
high
bar
for
ourselves
or
a
low
bar,
and
we've
been
essentially
over
the
course
of
the
past
year,
saying
that
there's
plenty
of
money
to
do
what
we
want
to
do.
C
Fixed
costs,
which
include
salaries,
property
and
liability,
insurance
utilities
and
debt
service
is
a
million
three
just
for
the
parks
department
alone,
and,
as
you
can
see
that
exceeds
the
amount
of
property
taxes
we
get
so
74
percent
of
the
overall
budget
and
then
some
frankly,
there
are
some
numbers
that
we
didn't
include
in.
This
are
fixed
costs
so
that
again
places
a
high
burden
on
us
relative
to
how
we
manage
our
resources
and
how
we
manage
those
those
assets
that
are
feed
generating.
C
I
mentioned
there
are
no
funds
in
the
tax
levy
for
adequate
park,
maintenance,
capital
expenditures
or
deferred
maintenance.
We
we've
got
to
figure
out
a
way
to
operate
effectively
where
we
set
money
aside,
because
we
know
that
the
capital
capital
items
don't
have
a
a
an
indefinite
life
on
them.
We're
already
dealing
with
a
40
area,
irrigation
system
that
is
causing
lots
of
problems,
equipment
breaks
down.
C
We
we
use
a
lot
of
equipment
to
maintain
our
parks,
not
to
mention
not
to
mention
labor.
The
big
issue,
with
sunrise
skipping
ahead
a
little
bit
or
maybe
even
going
back,
is
fact
that
we're
using
a
tremendous
amount
of
non-seasonal
employees
for
a
seasonal
sport.
So
we're
not
earning
enough
income.
We're
not
earning
it
enough
throughout
the
year.
C
We
really
don't
generate
any
income
in
january
or
february,
so
your
opportunity
to
create
enough
revenue
to
support
an
operation
like
sunrise,
is
in
a
finite
period
of
time.
During
the
course
of
the
year
revenue
generating
park.
Assets
such
as
sunrise
golf
course
crystal
beach
pool
and
the
campground
should
contribute
to
the
overall
parks
operations
and
maintenance,
not
diluted.
C
Despite
the
deferred
maintenance
at
the
campground,
we
did
generate
a
profit
there
last
year
of
about
one
thousand
dollars,
but
there's
so
much
deferred
maintenance
there.
That
is
just
a
fraction
of
what
it's
going
to
cost
to
really
take
care
of.
What's
what's
happening
at
the
campground,
however,
we're
in
a
much
better
position
there,
because
we've
got
some
money
and,
as
I
mentioned
in
previous
meetings,
city
council,
we
have
a
couple
city,
council
representatives
here
tonight.
C
We
passed
the
ordinance
a
few
months
ago.
That
requires
now
any
profit.
Any
profit
generated
by
one
of
these
revenue
generating
park
assets
stays
with
that
asset
into
a
non-reverting
fund,
and
it
creates
a
self-funding
source
of
capital
and
the
reason
I
think
that
the
board
is
is
maybe
struggling
a
little
bit
with.
What
do
we
do
now
is
because
all
that
money
previously
has
just
gone
to
fund
deficits
at
sunrise-
and
we
haven't
had
an
honest
conversation
about
sunrise
for
a
really
really
long
time,
but
it's
not
sustainable.
C
C
For
comparison
purposes
here,
the
jefferson
county
library
budget
is
1.7
million
dollars,
which
is
80,
which
is
funded
82
by
property
taxes,
city
madison's
parks,
department,
which
we
went
around.
We
talked
earlier
about
how
many
assets
and
and
and
hundreds
of
acres
that
are
involved
in
that
you
know
it's
funded
almost
with
an
equal
budget,
but
a
lot
less
than
property
taxes
and.
G
C
Know
the
the
distinction
there
is
the
county
budgets
based
upon
assessed
value
for
the
entire
county
city
madison
and
the
city
madison
parks
department's
budget
is
based
upon
the
assessed
value
for
the
property
inside
the
city
of
mass.
So
there
is
a
even
though
the
tax
rate
for
the
library
is
quite
a
bit
less.
It's
based
on
it's
based
on
1.3
billion
dollars
of
assessed
value,
whereas
what
the
city
madison
has
to
work
with
is
a
little
over
600
million
dollars
of
assessed
value.
C
C
C
C
C
C
What
we
did
here
is
we
analyzed
the
235
members
who
have
season
passes
now
and
determined
that
at
least
80
of
them
are
65
and
older,
and
we
want
to
encourage
outdoor
recreation
for
both
our
our
seniors
and
our
young,
the
young
adults
and
high
school
kids.
So
what
you'll
see
here
is
that
we
created
a
new
tranche
of
rate
structure
for
adults
senior
65
and
over,
and
we
also
continue
to
maintain
spouse,
college
and
high
school
as
well
as
adults.
C
You
know
the
deficit
of
three
hundred
and
seventy
thousand
dollars,
so
we
don't
feel
like
we
have
created
a
tremendous
burden
on
member
players
who
are
enjoying
nineteen
thousand
rounds
of
golf
and
unlimited
golf
at
the
rates
that
we're
proposing
the
revised
revenue
assessment
here.
Seasonal
staffing
changes
would
produce
about
118
000.
C
C
We
need
to
find
new
sources
of
revenue,
so
corporate
t
advertisers
will
generate
approximately
forty
five
thousand.
If
we're
successful
there,
we
would
eliminate
the
guest
rider
fee
and
then
we
would
also
increa
increase
the
private
cart
rental
to
15,
which
would
generate
about
eight
thousand
dollars
so
that
pro,
that
creates
a
little
over
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
of
positive
changes
toward
the
deficit.
C
But
it
doesn't
get
us
out
of
the
woods
completely
because
we're
at
about
370,
so
we're
still
short
about
sixty
thousand
dollars.
But
what
we're
proposing
is,
let's,
let's
start
somewhere,
and
we
acknowledge
the
fact
that
it's
been
a
while,
since
rates
and
fees
and
overhead
structure
have
been
properly
evaluated,
we
would
implement
some
supervisory
control
over
expenditures.
C
The
revised
average
cost
per
member
around
would
go
up
to
about
eight
dollars
and
72
cents,
which
is
still
producing
over
a
two-thirds
discount
to
it.
Paying
around
the
proposed
cost
for
senior
round
ends
up
being
9.25,
which
is
a
two-thirds
discount,
the
price
per
paying
round
our
current
break
even
per
round
of
golf.
It
cost
us
29
almost
to
offer
a
round
of
golf,
so
we're
losing
almost
twelve
dollars
per
round.
C
The
revised
break
even
per
round
of
golf,
goes
from
almost
29
to
about
19
to
20,
which
is
a
20
reduction
in
breakeven
cost,
and
the
break-even
number
of
rounds
for
a
member
on
average.
Again
averages
here
is
26.,
so
you
still
get
unlimited
you're
still
getting
unlimited
golf
and
instead
of
it
being
25
rounds
like
we
talked
about
earlier
for
you
to
recover,
the
full
cost
of
your
membership
on
average
is
26..
C
C
So
we're
projecting
that
to
have
at
least
100
adult
members
at
950,
which
would
which
and
then
seniors
would
go
from
eight
for
we'd
have
80
there.
It
would
be
750
spouses
10
goes
to
500
and
college
kids
and
high
school
kids.
We'd
have
about
45
there
and
no
change
for
them
250
and
100,
so
the
weighted
average
pass
as
proposed
is
706
dollars
for
unlimited
golf
and
that
compares
to
429
dollars
now.
C
But
what
we
can't
do
is
ignore
the
problem
that
we've
identified
and
and
pretend
that
we
got
plenty
of
money
to
take
care
of
our
our
our
neighborhood
parks
and
sunrise
golf
course.
So
I'll
pause
there
for
a
second.
But
now
we
are
to
the
proposed
rate
structure
for
sunrise,
the
campground
and
crystal
beach.
C
G
K
C
C
C
Board
I'll
make
one
other
announcement
tonight
because
it's
probably
circulating
out
there,
but
the
city
of
madison
will
be
participating
at
a
public
hearing.
In
two
weeks.
We
have
applied
for
a
liquor
license
at
sunrise.
Golf
course
that
is
another.
It's
not
incorporated
in
the
numbers,
we're
not
sure
we'll
get
it,
but
again.
L
Steve
mahoney,
2045,
michigan
road
I've
been
a
long
time
golfer
at
sunrise
since
73,
and
had
a
cart
ever
since
that
day.
I
had
a
question
as
far
as
during
the
pandemic.
You
know
we're
talking
about
raising
these
fees.
I
know
fees
have
to
be
raised,
but
it
seems
kind
of
high
to
me
when
people
are
hurting
and
then
you're
going
to
go
as
a
I'm
65.
So
I
get
a
break.
L
L
L
I
don't
know
if
we're
going
to
get
them.
I
hope
we
do,
but
I
think
we're
going
to
have
a
private
golf
course
up
there.
I
just
don't
know
how
many
people's
gonna
come
and
pay
40
and
45
dollars.
That's
my
opinion
and
what
happens
if
we
raise
our
fees
and
then
we
still
don't
get
there
because
out-of-town
play
is
down
so
and
one
other
thing
at
the
complex.
L
How
many
full-time
people
do
we
have
up
there,
this
one
just
one
so
does
do
they
have
summer
help
to
help
him
mow
or
yes,
they
do
that.
Have
you
ever
thought
like
the
high
school
and
shaw
subbing,
that
mowing
out
to
see
how
much
that
would
save
and
just
one
guy
strike
the
field
you
might
think
about
it,
madison
high
school?
Did
it
shawl
did
it?
It
could
be
a
big
savings.
L
There
yeah
we're
looking
at
all
options
to
try
to
improve
operations
at
the
parks,
okay
for
sure,
and
so
will
jeff
get
any
help
with
the
beer
sales
and
that
kind
of
stuff
I
mean
as
far
as
this
guy
works
a
lot
of
hours,
and
then
you
got
rangers
and
then
you've
got
everything
else
and
you
might
think
about
getting
somebody
to
help
him
out
part-time
and
not
come
out
of
his
monies,
but
he's
away
from
the
golf
course.
So
just
something
to
think
about.
I
just
wanted
to
express
my
opinion.
L
K
It's
probably
unique
to
me
just
a
few
other
guys,
but
I
turned
65
in
april,
so
you
know
I
could
technically
wait
till
april
to
buy
my
pass,
I'm
glad
to
pay
it
based
on
january
1st,
but
we
probably
ought
to
clarify
that.
So
there's
no
misunderstanding:
when
some
of
the
guys
are
my
age
weigh
that
out.
D
If
I've
got
to
pay
1375
golf
this
course
I'll
just
pay
1300
to
go
to
beltera,
where
you
have
a
driving
range
whatever,
so
you
guys
need
to
consider
the
people
you're
going
to
lose
and
your
numbers
are
not
going
to
be
right,
you're
going
to
be
skewed,
so
you're
going
to
lose
quite
a
few.
I
don't
know
if
you
know
that
you
want
to
also
put
the
course
in
jeopardy
over
the
next
10
15
years
with
people
not
wanting
to
come
in
to
pay
that
money.
So
it's
a
future.
B
You
paul
moldry
2308
allen
street
first
off.
I
didn't
know
that
we
had
six
full-time
employees
until
you
mayor
came
up
there
and
and
shook
things
up
a
little
bit
sadness,
I'm
60
years
old
or
b60
in
april
disabled
and
I'm
like
pay
900..
I
don't
know
if
I
can
do
that
or
not
there's
other
people,
I'm
sure
up
there
in
the
same
boat.
F
F
C
C
C
C
C
C
You
know
we
pet
these
rates
to
where
we
didn't
think
we
were
outside
of
the
market,
but
again
everybody's
going
to
be
making
a
conscious
choice
on
what
they
that,
what
value
they
feel
they're
getting,
and
we
hope
that
more
people
than
not
want
to
come
here
and
play
and
want
to
come
here
and
support.
Sonar's
golf
course.
B
D
Maybe
an
hour
or
two
three
or
four
nights
a
week
just
over
a
hidden
ball,
I'm
not
going
to
get
anything
out
of
this.
This
this
rate
right
here
is
ridiculous
for
me
to
pay
I'd,
be
more
close
to
belter
and
get
off
work
I'll
just
go
over
there.
So
I
don't
know.
I
just
don't
understand
how
you
can
raise
something
double
and
expect
people
who
want
to
pay.
I
love
sunrise.
I
think
it's
a
great
discourse
around
and
it's
in
good
shape.
For
them.
C
C
D
D
D
D
C
D
E
C
A
C
C
E
We
have
180
members
and
106
stickers,
that's
right,
adult
members,
so
there's
quite
a
few
that
don't
pay
for
the
sticker.
They
may
I
mean
I
guess
if
you
come
on
and
pay
the
now
they're
gonna
pay
you
15,
so
they
would
be
in
that
they'd
be
in
that
category
too,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
my
number
is
correct.
E
A
C
That's
a
there's,
a
public
hearing
for
that,
so
citizens
of
madison
can
go
and
remonstrate
against
the
liquor
license.
I
will
say
that,
right
now
there
is
not
a
single
ordinance
in
the
city.
Massive
allows
alcohol
in
any
of
our
parks,
so
in
our
search
for
creating
additional
revenue,
mr
ward
and
reducing
the
actual
burden
on
the
the
fee,
paying
members
we're
looking
for
all
sources
and
one
of
the
options
was
like
other
municipal
courses.
Have
they
offer
alcohol
sales
at
the
golf
course.
C
C
We're
putting
those
numbers
together,
but
the
way
the
timing
worked
out,
mr
ward,
is
we
had
to
go
ahead
and
make
the
application,
because
one
became
available,
so
it
still
has
to
be
finalized.
Formalized
approved
has
to
go
through
the
county,
alcoholic
beverage
committee
and
then
it'll
have
to
come
through
park
board
and
city
council,
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
steps
involved
in
any
timeline
on
that,
I
would
say
the
next
90
days
if
we're
successful
in
actually
getting
a
license.
L
C
M
L
B
C
E
Okay
scene,
none
we'd
like
to
close
the
public
hearing
and
resume
the
regular
meeting
we'll
handle
these
one
at
a
time,
and
then
we
can
ask
questions
as
we
have
a
motion
on
that.
So
do
I
hear
a
motion
to
approve
the
campground
fees
for
the
2020
year,
which
would
be
45
dollars
for
sites
1
through
18
and
35
19
through
34
monday
through
thursday,
and
then
friday
would
be
50
for
1
through
18
and
40
for
19
34..
E
E
E
At
all-
and
that
is
a
privilege-
so,
as
I
said
earlier,
if,
if
we
approve
these
as
it
is,
a
person
will
pay
950
in
the
past,
have
38
rounds
to
make
their
money
back.
For
that,
and
then
add
fifteen
dollars
to
that
that's
a
total
of
fifteen
hundred
and
twenty
dollars.
Well,
if
I
get
a
card
and
I
buy
a
sticker,
I
pay
175
less.
So
I
have
a
privilege,
but
I'm
paying
less
than
the
person
that
so
I
would
like
to
see
you
know
if
I
can.
E
C
E
F
F
C
C
E
G
E
E
C
E
E
E
E
G
H
But
I
think
what
he's
referring
to
is:
there's
180
adult
passes
so
there
and
there's
106
card
stickers.
So
there's
80
people
that
have
season
passes
that
don't
own
a
cart
that
come
to
our
facility
in
rent-a-cart
and
we're
going
to
take
their
fee
from
500
to
950,
even
though
those
80
additional
people
would
normally
come
to
our
facility
and
spend
money
on
a
daily
basis
and
keep
our
cash
flow
going.
H
H
H
Private
carts,
but
my
assessment
now
along
that
same
line
since
you
know
we're
going
to
have
them
most
facilities,
don't
have
private
cars,
because
that
is
the
cash
flow
for
the
golf
course
and
we
haven't
changed
the
425
fee,
which
is
a
very
nice
luxury
to
have
when
most
places
don't
allow
them
at
all.
And
so
we
haven't.
We
didn't
change
that
fee
whatsoever
and
lumped
it
all
on
to
the
season
pass
holder.
H
Sam's
club,
costco
amazon
all
charge
you
a
nominal
membership
fee
of
some
kind.
So
when
you
go
to
veterans,
parkway
and
you've
got
a
membership
at
sam's
club,
you
probably
do
some
shopping
there,
so
you
offer
a
fee
to
get
them
when
they
think
about
coming
and
playing
golf.
I've
paid
my
fee,
we're
gonna
go
to
sunrise,
not
the
reverse.
Of
that.
You
know.
I
think
the
higher
green
speed
makes
it
more
difficult
to
obtain
that
an
individual
is
not
going
to
buy
the
high
membership
fee.
H
H
At
950,
I
think,
are
probably
not
going
to
get
the
season
pass,
may
opt
to
spend
their
money
someplace
else
and
then,
if
they
have
two
or
three
guys
that
are
going
to
come
play
with
them,
they're
going
to
go
again.
Someplace
else
and
sunrise
is
a
great
place
and
madison's
a
great
town,
and
I
know
everybody
wants
to
see
everybody
do
well
and
wants
the
city
to
do
well
in
the
parks
department.
E
H
You
know
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
crap
shoot.
You
know,
I'm
going
to
use
a
guy's
name.
Lonnie
jester
has
a
season
pass,
has
his
own
cart
but
doesn't
buy
a
cart
sticker
and
paid
the
eight
dollars
per
time,
and
I
asked
him
how
many
times
he
played
and
with
covet
and
all
that
he
played
like
150
rounds,
so
he
paid
a
thousand
dollars
for
his
cart
instead
of
425
yeah.
H
F
D
And
I
know,
there's
been
a
lot
of
times
yet
when
you've
waited
on
carts
to
come
in,
to
be
able
to
rent
them
out
so
with
this
that
would
even
make
more
carts
have
to
be
available.
So
I
don't
know
if
you
have
space
for
carts
or
you're
going
to
buy
more
carts
or
rent
more
cars.
Whatever
you
do,
you
raise
the
carts,
I
don't
know
what
what
do
you
get
out
of
the
car?
What's
the
cart
generated
fund,
what
you
get
fifteen
dollars
out
of
a
car.
F
D
C
Is
here
so
I
don't
want
to
make
him
feel
uncomfortable
by
he's.
Had
that
same
contract
for
25
years,
but
you're
asking
you're
asking
a
legitimate
question
which
is
there
are
there
are
there
are
there
is
revenue
that
is
being
generated
by
people
playing
golf
there,
that
the
city
isn't
getting
100
percent
of
yeah?
That's
there's,
there's
there's
quite
a
few
elements
of
that,
and
plus,
as
tim
was
saying,
you
know,
other
golf
courses,
don't
allow
you
to
bring
your
cart
on
at
all.
C
D
C
D
Well
my
experience
in
business
and
stuff
when
you,
when
you're
losing
money,
you
trim
the
fat
the
best
way
you
can.
So
if
that
means
going
in
and
restructuring
stuff
you
restructure
stuff,
you
lower
the
amount
of
full-time
people,
whatever
there's
also
some
the
pro
shop.
Does
it
does
it
generate
any.
D
C
C
C
No
but
you're
right
on
on
the
point
which,
regarding
the
overhead
structure,
as
we
talked
about
you
know
again,
65
000
of
the
revenue
is
being
you
know
raised
toward
the
deficit
118
000
of
that
is
earmarked
to
come
from
overhead
changes
and
that's
going
to
be
that's
going
to
be
hard.
But
but
when
you
look
at
how
other
courses
are
managed,
it's
gonna
be
hard
for
poor
people.
You
don't
you
generally
don't
manage
a
a
seasonal
sport
with
non-seasonal
resources.
C
Like
I've
said
before
we
don't
have
lifeguards
paid
year-round,
we
don't
have
a
campground
attendant
paid
year-round.
We
don't.
We
don't
pay
all
of
the
rucker
staff
here
around.
We
hire
100
part-time
people
every
summer,
so
there
are
ways
that
we're
doing,
and
I
appreciate
all
your
feedback-
and
this
is
not
an
easy
exercise
at
all.
It's
a
bit
of
a
rubik's
cube
with
lots
of
moving
parts.
C
D
G
C
Let's
let
let's
do
a
roll
call,
though
okay,
so
the
the
motion
on
the
table,
which
has
been
seconded
that
we're
having
a
roll
call
vote
on
seven
reduce
the
proposed
adult
member
pass
to
750,
which
would
be
equal
with
the
adult
senior
pass
and
increase
the
cart
sticker
fee
from
425
to
625.
Franckela.