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From YouTube: City of Madison Parks Board Meeting - May 9, 2022
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Parks Board Meeting May 9, 2022
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just
down
the
street,
and
I'm
here
I
think,
to
shed
possibly
some
light
on
pearl
park
and
and
how
it's
managed
if
you
will
and
a
little
bit
of
the
player
so
and,
as
you
know,
pearl
park,
because
it's
in
your
plan
is
a
it's
one
of
the
city
parks,
but
it
is
the
it
has
these
buildings
that
are
it's
almost
like
an
orphanage
for
buildings
that
don't
have
a
home
anymore
and
they
were
moved
from
the
county,
and
you
all-
may
you
all
may
know
this,
but
so
there
was
an
organization,
a
non-profit
organization
formed
in
2000
called
the
jefferson
county
preservation
council.
E
This
organization
was
to
care
for
these
buildings
these
rather
unique
structures
that
have
moved
from
places
in
the
county
that
they
were
going
to
get
torn
down.
So
someone
approached
the
owner
and
said:
can
we
move
that?
Can
we
preserve
this
french
bee
house,
which
is
extremely
rare
to
exist
in
our
country?
E
So
so
the
city
was
kind
enough
to
allow
these
folks
to
use
this
space
in
2009,
one
of
the
people
very
involved
in
the
preservation
council.
A
gentleman
by
name
lewis,
jr
established
an
endowment
at
the
cuny
foundation.
An
endowment
is
essentially
a
way
for
someone
to
care
to
fund
what
they
care
about
forever.
E
The
preservation
council,
though,
is,
I
believe,
down
to
two
members
in
that
non-profit
organization.
They
are
not
active.
I
tried
to
contact
one
of
the
board
members
today
and
I
could
not
had
to
leave
a
message,
but
it's
my
understanding,
and
so
this
is
really
my
understanding.
This
isn't
a
fact,
and
my
understanding
is
that
they
have
not
met
as
an
organization
in
quite
a
few
years,
more
than
six
or
seven
years
and
they're
not
active,
so
the
community
foundation
we're
stewards
of
this
money.
E
Thanks
to
this
donor,
we
have
to
be
we're
not
going
to
release
money
to
someone
who's
not
actively
needing,
and
so
we
have
money
available,
since
the
preservation
council
does
not
seem
to
be
jumping
in
and
doing
anything
right
now.
I
want
you
all
to
know
that
if
someone
else
were
to
want
to
steward
those
properties,
then
we
have
we
have
money
available.
E
We
do
have
to
go
through
some,
so
a
process
to
to
change
the
beneficiary
of
that
from
the
preservation
council
to
another
entity,
but
just
to
give
you
a
sense
of
the
amount
of
money.
This
year
alone,
there's
5700
generated
from
the
endowment
thanks
to
the
market
growth,
but
we
have
some
money.
That's
been
built
up
over
time
that
hasn't
been
dispersed
so
right
now
we
have
14
700
available,
but
that
money
is
to
be
used.
E
Let
me
make
sure
I
get
my
wording
correct
from
the
fund
agreement
for
maintaining
the
buildings
and
supporting
functions
at
pearl
park,
so
that
money
could
not
be
given
to
the
city
for
mowing
or
even
the
plant
trees
in
that
space
is
for
that
purpose
set
up
by
the
dome.
E
So
I
think
I
think
I've
covered
everything
I
wanted
to
cover.
I
I
know
that
pearl
park
has
come
up
and
you
know
lisa
ferguson
and
I
talked
about
it.
There
have
been
some
folks
on
social
media
who
have
said
what's
going
on.
It
doesn't
seem
like
anything's
happening
there.
I
do
know.
I
did
read
the
five
year
plan
and
I
know
that
that
right
now
it's
not
a
it's,
not
on
your
immediate
list
to
jump
in
and
do
anything
with
pearl
park.
E
I
am
aware
of
a
couple
folks
in
the
community
who
are
very
into
preservation
of
buildings
like
this
and
they
they're
they're,
actually
parts
of
some
historic,
historic
community
and
organizations
their
their
organizations
have
not
said
that
we
would
love
to
be
the
stewards
of
those
properties,
but
but
I
think
that
if,
if
the
parks
department
is
interested,
I
would
be
happy
to
set
up
some
sort
of
meeting
to
try
to
get
parties
and
come
up
with
a
solution,
because
the
current
situation
is
not
sustainable
because
nothing
is
happening.
E
E
You
could
you
could
ask
for
it,
but
but
because
we
made
an
agreement
with
this,
this
gentleman
who's
not
no
longer
alive
to
change
where
how
we
do
that
we
have
to
go
to
the
attorney
general's
office
and
we
don't
physically
go
there.
I'm
sorry.
We
have
to
submit
information
stating
why
it's
no
longer
really
possible
or
practical
for
us
to
do
it
the
way
planned
and
then
they
you
know,
then
they
may
ask
questions
or
bless
that
there
is
a
process
and
procedure,
but
to
get
that
ball
rolling.
E
You
know
this
conversation
is
necessary
and
some
sort
of
plan
b
has
to
be
determined
in
order
for
us
to
move
forward.
But
at
that
point
so
let's
say
that
that
we
did
have
a
solution
in
the
city.
Then
we
just
need
to
know
that
you
know.
Is
the
city
going
to
have
people
there
with
an
experience
and
do
that
work
or
is
it?
Is
it?
Is
it
better
to
have
an
agreement
with
an
entity
in
the
community
that
that
is
already
working
on
preservation
activities?
D
And
would
you
have
a
couple
of
suggestions
for
us
of
groups
that
do
preservation
in
our
community
that
we
could
reach
out
to
to
ask
if
they're
interested
in
kind
of
overseeing
that
yes.
E
And
I
do
and
because
this
is
a
public
forum-
and
they
have
not-
you
know-
consented
I'm
not
saying
liberty,
but
but
there
are
folks
that
are
genuinely
have
their.
They
do
have
an
agenda.
Their
agenda
is
just
a
sadie's
building,
so
there's
no
underlying
you
know
thing.
They
just
would
like
to
see
these
things
preserved.
So
if
the
city
wanted
to
then
the
next
step
could
I
could
organize
a
meeting
with
these
parties
just
to
have
discussions
and
and
clearly
with
everything
going
with
the
parks
department
that
I
see
in
a
plan.
E
I
understand
that
there's
not
a
lot
of
capacity
to
do.
Do
things
with
the
part,
unless
that
we
could
bring
a
solution
forward.
That
would
work
for
you
all
for
the
long-term
charities
of
these
buildings
in
the
fence
and
the
safety.
You
know
some
of
the
safety
matters
with
the
creek
and
the
way
gravity
works,
and
if
someone
got
too
close
to
the
edge
of
that,
they
could
do
that.
E
D
Anyway,
I
would
say
we
were
very
interested
in
setting
up
a
meeting
with
someone
that
you
would
contact
for
us
and
to
pursue
that.
That
would
be
wonderful,
because
I
think
we
could
maintain
the
grass
cutting
and
things
like
that,
but
we
get
a
little
overwhelmed
sure
with
all
the
properties
when
we
start
talking
about
replacing
things.
So
that
would
be
a
wonderful
to
work
together
that
we
plus
they
would
be
passionate
about
the
restoration
which
would
be
a
bonus
for
everyone.
B
F
I'm
just
going
to
start
this
off
as
we
get
into
this
presentation
just
kind
of
a
quick
brief
overview
crystal
beach
was
built
during
the
works.
Progress
administration
in
1938
been
an
icon
for
the
city
of
madison.
For
decades
the
administration
wanted
to
preserve
the
pool
for
future
generations
and
in
2020
the
city
hired
a
consultant
to
perform
a
swimming
pool
audit.
During
this
audit,
it
was
identified
that
the
pool
liner
that
was
installed
2006
needed
to
be
replaced,
did
come
to
the
end
of
its
useful
life
cycle.
F
The
pool
liner
at
the
end
of
its
useful
life,
the
city
worked
with
the
office
of
community
and
rural
affairs
to
expand
the
project
scope
to
make
much-needed
repairs
to
the
pool,
pool
deck
concession,
stand,
fencing
and
dirtbridge.
So
here
today
to
provide
an
update
on
this
project.
We
have
the
city's
director
planning,
preservation
and
design
nicole,
show.
G
Hello,
so
I'm
going
to
start
with
an
update
just
to
be
kind
of
the
background
and
some
current
construction
pictures,
but,
like
matt
mentioned,
we've
been
working
on
this
project
for
quite
some
time.
We
started
in
2017
when
the
city
was
designated
a
stellar
community.
G
At
that
time
the
project
was
estimated
at
1.5
million
and
that
included
just
the
items
that
matt
mentioned
and
did
not
include
the
pool
itself.
G
G
So
I'm
just
going
to
go
up
over
some
before
pictures,
just
to
refresh
everyone's
memory
of
what
the
pool
house
looked
like.
So
we
started
with
a
pool
house
that
needed
some
paint.
You
can
see
the
top
gable
and
some
top
pointing
some
broken
windows
and
frames
that
needed
painted
a
second
floor
deck
that
was
unsafe
and
railing.
G
That
was
missing
and
unaccessible
second
floor
exits
from
the
locker
rooms
or
first
floor,
not
second
floor
locker
rooms
that
were
not
the
most
friendly
thing
to
sit
in
amenities
that
were
old
or
from
other
park
facilities.
G
G
So
we
started
construction,
we
did
a
ground
breaking
in
the
end
of
2021
and
we
started
with
demo.
These
are
all
the
rusted
and
missing
pipes
from
the
pool
house
and
we've
replaced
it
with
new
plumbing,
so
only
plumbing
that
matches
current
code
they've
even
gotten.
The
point
that
they've
started
to
paint
the
interior
of
the
first
floor
by
the
concession
or
the
entrance
area
has
been
renovated
to
allow
easy
access
for
staff
as
well
as
occupants
going
into
the
pool.
G
The
second
floor
was
cleaned
up
then
demo
and
now
they're
actually
done
steps.
Even
since
I
took
this
out
that
they're
working
on
paint
in
that
second
floor,
so
it's
going
to
be
just
a
big,
great,
open
space
for
events.
It's
got
new
restrooms
and
a
catering
kitchen.
G
All
the
windows
that
started
out
with
missing
glass
have
been
restored,
missing
glass
was
installed,
and
then
we
also
updated
the
first
floor
glass
so
that
all
matches
now
I
don't
know.
G
And
then
changes
on
the
exterior
were,
of
course
replacing
that
deck.
It's
all
new
wood,
it's
going
to
have
easy
to
maintain
composite
decking
and
then
the
elevator
shaft,
which
will
provide
80
accessibility
to
the
second
floor.
It's
going
to
have
stone
that
matches
pretty
close
to
the
original
stone
on
the
building.
H
G
I'm
not
sure
why
ed
sit
down
because
he's
going
over
the.
G
Gonna
go
over
the
swimming
pool
on
both
audit.
That
matt
mentioned
as
well
as
a
more
recent
structural
report,
and
then
we've
got
a
bunch
of
photos
for
you.
H
So
when
we
added
the
doing
pool
we,
we
were
challenged.
We
were
optimistic
I'll
put
it
that
way,
that
we'd
be
able
to
take
the
liner
off,
replace
it,
and
then
we
had
anticipated.
There
would
be
some
issues
that
we
would
need
to
deal
with
from
the
concrete
some
patching
things
like
that,
so
we
had
included
that
as
a
unit
pricing
for
the
bid.
H
Unfortunately,
when
we
ultimately
took
the
liner
off
and
we
were
able
to
do
all
the
testing
that
we
needed
to
do
all
of
the
piping
failed
in
terms
of
being
able
to
hold
pressure
that
helped
explain
the
significant
loss
of
water
that
you
saw
every
year
and
what
we
also
found
was
that
the
retaining
wall
that
is
in
that
image
right
there
is
significantly
compromised.
So
what
what
aaron
and
his
team
were
were
able
to
kind
of
come
up
with
was
kind
of
here's.
H
H
H
H
H
We
feel
like
the
best
approach
is
to
continue
to
make
this
part
of
the
existing
contract
and
then
and
part
of
that
process
is,
you
know
we
have
an
emergency
because
we
got
to
try
and
deal
with
these
issues
and
then
we
can
then
provide
the
documents
necessary
to
the
contractor
to
get
the
price
which
we
think
is
in
the
neighborhood
of
about
1.8
million.
H
The
other
option
is
to
say:
okay,
we're
gonna
we're
going
to
take
the
pool
project
out
and
we'll
rebid
it.
The
my
concern
with
that
is
that
puts
us
in
a
real
bind
to
even
get
open
for
next
year,
because
if
you
go,
you
gotta
get
somebody
on
board
to
design
it.
Now
you've
got
to
get
drawings
done
to
a
bid
level
stage.
H
Then
we
need
to
fit
it.
They
need
to
get
another
contract
and
by
then
you're,
looking
at
december
january
to
be
able
to
start
the
work.
So
if
we're
able
to
kind
of
go
down
the
path
of
declaring
an
emergency
to
deal
with
issues
that
we've
uncovered
when
we
took
the
liner
off,
I
feel
like
we
can.
We
can
be
in
a
process
to
get
started
on
this
work
in
june
or
july.
G
Run
through
pictures
kind
of
show
really
what
we're
dealing
with
on
the
pool
itself.
So
this
is
cool
with
most
aligner
removed.
H
G
H
And
what
what
we
found
is
that
there
are
there
really
are
cracks
from
one
end
of
the
wall
to
the
other
and
that's
you
know
concrete
and
cracking
go
hand
in
hand.
That
just
is
the
nature
of
the
beast.
The
unfortunate
thing
is
the
depth
of
some
of
the
cracks
and
what
that
has
allowed
to
happen
with
the
water
getting
in
and
deteriorating.
H
G
And
the
picture
on
the
right
is
that
lowest
level
where
you
can
see
it's
literally
gravel.
G
In
the
past
this,
these
images
kind
of
show
how
the
structural
integrity
of
the
pool
was
dealt
with.
They
put
just
metal
on
the
cracks
to
try
to
prevent
them
from
expanding,
which
clearly.
C
H
Six
or
seven
feet
high,
you
want
that
retaining
wall
to
be
vertical,
and
now
what
started
to
happen
is
that
top
of
the
wall
started
to
tilt
out
into
the
pool,
which
is
not
a
good
thing
to
have
happen.
So
you
can
kind
of
see
the
disc.
You
know
starting
to
see
some
distance
there
from
plumb
to
what
the
top
of
the
wall
is
versus
the
bottom
wall.
G
So
next
steps
ed's
kind
of
gone
over
some
of
this,
but
we're
planning
to
complete
the
pool
house
renovations
and
open
by
fall
of
2020..
It
should
be
2022.
That's
my
typo
we're
going
to
work
with
the
current
design
team
and
contractors
to
create
plans
to
address
the
issues
of
the
swimming
pool,
we're
going
to
complete
the
swimming
pool
renovations
in
order
to
open
for
the
2023
pool
season.
D
J
H
Because
if
we
had
done
that-
and
we
found
the
extent
of
the
problems
with
the
wall,
we
would
have
said
we
can't
open
the
pool
because
it
would've
been
too
dangerous
and
if
we
run
the
testing
on
the
piping,
our
fear
was
we'd
blow
out
all
pipes,
which
meant
we
wouldn't
have
been
able
to
open
pool.
So
the
belief
was
it
would
be
better
to
go
ahead
and
have
the
pool
season
last
year.
C
D
I
feel
like
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
options.
Honestly,
you
know
with
as
bad
as
shape
as
it's
in
you
can't
take
a
chance
on.
You
know
not
being
safe
or
just
you
know,
bleeding
water
everywhere.
So
I
feel
like
we
really
don't
have
a
choice
in
this
matter.
I
know
we
spoke
earlier
about
you
know,
holding
them
to
a
timeline
like
don't
tell
us
it's
going
to
be
ready
for
next
year
and
then
come
back
to
us
next
february
and
say:
oh
sorry,
like
you
know,
I
really
appreciate
it.
B
Fire
anybody
else
have
any
other
questions
for
these
two
hey
joe
I'd
like
to
say
a.
K
Well
as
unfortunate
that
this
is,
we
can
look
all
around
our
park
system
and,
frankly,
any
other
major
asset.
The
city
owns
and
we've
not
set
aside.
You
know
proper
funds
over.
You
know
the
useful
life
of
the
asset
in
order
to
maintain
it
or
make
repairs
or
investments
in
it
along
the
way.
Here
we
have,
you
know
an
80
plus
year
structure.
K
K
I
would
say
that
the
silver
lining
to
all
this
is
now.
We
know
what
we
know.
We
know
that
there's
a
regulatory
element
of
this
that
we
can
work
with
over
on.
We
know
that
there's
a
contractual
element
to
it,
which
we
need
to
work
with
our
contractor,
to
figure
out
how
we
fight
for
cake
the
pool
from
the
full
house.
K
We
know
that
we're
still
going
to
be
able
to
deliver
the
full
house
for
year-round
use
later
this
later
this
summer
and
we
have
time
to
put
together
a
financial
plan
to
pay
for
the
capital,
improvements
that
are
necessary
now
to
make
sure
that
we
can
get
a
pool
open
next
season
and
the
community
can
enjoy
for
the
next
couple
of
decades.
K
That's
going
to
come
with
a
sizable
financial
responsibility
now,
but
also
just
a
reminder
that
we
need
to
be
setting
aside
money
every
single
year,
so
we
can
deal
with
a
liner
when
the
liner
goes
toward
the
end
of
its
useful
life.
So
we
know
what
we
know.
Now,
it's
not
pleasant.
We
worked
really
hard
to
keep
the
full
open
for
two
extra
seasons
during
copenhagen.
When
a
lot
of
community
pools
were
closing,
matt's
been
in
contact
with
the
new
manager
at
clifton
east
ball
state
park.
K
K
I
don't
really
see
any
other
choice
but
to
solve
this
problem
and
work
really
diligently
to
ensure
that
we
can
be
ready
for
the
2023
booming
season.
L
Based
on
last
meeting
from
jam
pictures,
I
don't
need
to
talk
about
marketing,
pool
I'll,
keep
working
on
that
for
another
year.
It's
unfortunate.
We
did
close
early
last
year
so
that
we
could
get
started
so
we
would
make
it
for
this
year
so
but
that's
water
under
the
bridge.
I
have
two
questions.
One
about
the
a
pool
house
itself,
the
second
floor.
The
historic
and
wonderful
wood
floor
doesn't
look
like
it's
still
there
what's
happened
to.
It
was.
G
Not
restored,
it
is
still
there
it's
under
debris
right
now.
It's
going
to
be
revenge,
yes,
so.
L
L
Mean
it
used
to
be
a
roller
rink
and
it
needs
to
be
a
dance
floor,
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
the
wooden
floor
got
that
same.
The
other
question
is
I've.
You
know
my
passion
is
the
pool
and
making
sure
that
it's
successful
in
my
reading
and
I'm
hoping
the
pool
companies
are
looking
at
this.
There
are
some
new
options
to
concrete,
so
hopefully
they
are
looking
at
the
new
kinds
of
metals
and
some
other
materials
that.
L
They're
just
they're
new
and
better
evidently
from
what
I've
been
reading.
So
hopefully
we
aren't
just
going
with
what
we
know,
because
that's
all
we
know
that
we're
really
doing
research
on
what's
the
best
material
in
2022
going
forward
and
then
one
other
thing
I'm
glad
to
hear
the
mayor
mentioned.
Clifty
falls
some
of
the
water
aerobics.
Ladies
ask:
if
the
city
would
please
reach
out
and
see
if
there's
a
possibility
of
scheduling
something
with
the
parks
for
water
aerobics.
F
F
The
carrollton
pool
is
going
to
be
offering
swim,
lessons
to
be
determined,
may
16th
for
sales
state
park
they're
going
to
make
a
decision
in
mid-june
on
swim
lessons
and
then
for
water
aerobics.
As
of
right
now,
those
five
facilities,
the
ymca
and
bb.
They
offer
two
classes
at
nine
and
eight
and
nine
am
sorry.
Eight
am
and
10
15
am
monday,
wednesday
fridays
and
that
comes
included
with
your
monthly
fee
and
that
you
paid
that
in
your
enrollment
fee.
F
C
F
We
will
be
we'll
be
sure
to
include
this
on
with
our
press
release
of
the
other
options
that
we
have
here
in
the
surrounding
areas.
Moving
forward,
we
still
want
families
to
enjoy
the
aquatic
outdoors
experience.
N
Julie
tavano,
have
you
thought
about
having
swim
lessons
at
the
junior
high
and
using
that
pool.
F
That
is
not
in
our
purview,
but
it's
something
that
we
could
speak
to
the
athletic
director
about,
depending
upon
availability
and
how
that
would
operate
within
the
school
corporation,
but
that
would
be
a
larger
question
to
get
the
schools
involved
and
see
what
their
their
thoughts
were.
I.
N
N
But
I
think
I'd
rather
have
him
a
little
overconfident
than
absolutely
scared
to
death
and
another
thing
I
was
here
in
october
and
discussed
how
hard
it
was
to
get
him
to
the
morning
swim.
Lessons,
and
I
know
this
will
be
closing-
that
kind
of
throws
a
good,
a
big
scene
of
that,
but
I
just
think
that
a
lot
more
people
would
probably
could
be
able
to
sign
their
kids
up.
If
we
had
an
evening,
you
know
option.
N
You
know
sales
is
a
long-loaded
drive,
maybe
it's
a
half
hour.
So
that's
a
half
hour,
so
you
know
you
add
in
parents
having
to
take
off
work
and
you
know
for
a
low
income
or
one
paycheck
family.
I
I
just
don't
see
them
in
every
case.
I
can't
do
the
swim.
Lessons.
A
Hi,
I'm
aaron
thompson,
the
executive
director
at
lifetime
resources,
thanks
for
having
me
this
afternoon.
I
printed
off
sort
of
a
frequently
asked
question
sort
of
document
for
you
all
and
if
anybody
would
like
a
copy,
I
have
I
have
more
as
well,
but
I
just
sort
of
wanted
to.
A
I
wanted
to
first
talk
about
what
the
program
is
that
we
have
offered
at
the
at
the
senior
center
for
a
number
of
years
now
the
issue
that
we're
currently
facing
and
then
talk
about,
you
know
how
we
move
forward
from
here.
So,
first
of
all,
what
is
a
senior
nutrition
activity
center
or
a
snack
as
we
call
it,
and
that
is
simply
lifetime
has
branded
its
congregant
meal
programs
as
snacks.
We
just
thought
it
was
a.
A
It
was
a
you
know,
a
nice
term
and
fitting,
and
so
when
we
say
snacks
generally,
that
just
means
a
congregate
meal
site
and
congregate
meal
sites
are
simply
where
meals
are
served
in
a
group
setting,
and
so
our
snacks
offer
an
opportunity
for
older
adults
to
gather
for
a
hot
meal,
socialization
and
activities
and
a
lot
of
times.
You
know
it's
that
socialization
piece
and
the
activities
that
are
that
are
a
really
key
piece
to
the
whole
program
as
well.
A
It's
something
that
we've
offered
here
in
madison
at
the
senior
center
for
many
years,
and
when
I
say
we
I
mean
lifetime
resources,
and
so
I
think
it's
important
to
understand
who
lifetime
resources
is
as
well.
So
we
are
an
area
agency
on
aging
and
we
serve
five
counties
in
southeastern
indiana.
So
that's
jefferson,
switzerland,
ripley,
ohio
and
dearborn
counties,
and
some
of
the
services
include
nutrition
services,
as
I'm
here
to
talk
to
you
about
today.
But
it's
not
just
congregate
meals.
It's
also
home
delivered
meals.
A
A
With
it,
sometimes
they
think
it's
only
for
older
adults
and
medical
appointments
and
things
like
that.
It's
actually
available
to
anyone
for
any
purpose,
but
I
won't
go
off
and
catch
right
too
much.
I
was
previously
the
cash
right
director,
so
it's
kind
of
my.
C
A
House
I
can't
help
myself
anyway,
so
how
many
snacks
are
there?
We
actually
have
six
snacks
outside
of
jefferson
county
and
we
are
working
on
two
here
in
the
county,
one
being
at
the
madison
senior
center,
where
it
has
always
been,
or
has
been
for
a
number
of
years
and
we're
actually
working
with
hanover
as
well
to
see
if
we
might
be
able
to
have
an
option
there
as
well,
so
who
pays
for
the
meals?
A
A
This
federal
funding
also
requires
15
match
and
we
draw
that
match
from
a
variety
of
sources.
One
is
the
state
it's
the
state
match
which
is
called
older,
hoosier
match
older
who's,
your
funding,
sorry
and
then
also
local
government
funding.
So
the
city
of
madison,
jefferson,
county,
various
other
sources
of
match
included
as
well.
So.
A
Has
an
interest
for
one
it's
in
the
senior
center
building,
but
also
you
know
the
city
is
providing
match
for
lifetime
for
a
variety
of
programs.
Honestly,
the
the
money
that
goes
towards
the
congregate
meal
site
is
very,
very,
very
minimal,
because
the
congregate
site,
you
know
only
requires
15
match
something
like
catch
red,
for
example,
is
100
match
it's
a
far
larger,
more
expensive
program
in
comparison
to
this,
but
you
do
have
an
interest
in
it.
You
know
the
city
has
an
interest
in
it,
etc.
A
So
and
then
also
participants
are
encouraged
to
make
a
donation
towards
each
meal
and
then
so
prior
to
covid,
where
we
actually
had
to
shut
down
for
quite
a
while
during
covid
that
was
a
that
was
a
requirement
from
the
state
because
they
felt
that
you
know
older
adults
were
those
who
were
at
the
biggest
risk,
and
we
felt
that
you
know
pulling.
A
Specifically
for
a
congregate
meal
just
was
not
safe,
so
what
we
did
during
covet
as
we
transitioned,
we
made
sure
that
anybody
who
needs
a
meal
continued
to
get
one
through
a
home,
delivered
meals
and
obviously
your
senior
center
was
also
used
as
a
code
insight
here
as
well.
So
you
know
the
facility
wasn't
present
for
that
purpose.
So,
but
prior
to
covid,
the
average
donation
from
madison
for
madison
participants
was
about
a
per
meal
and
we
don't
require
a
donation.
We
ask
for
a
donation,
we
ask
for
a
donation.
A
That
is,
you
know,
whatever
people
are
willing
and
able
to
donate,
so
who
is
eligible
to
receive
a
meal.
As
I
said,
this
is
a
this
is
a
federal
program
and
we
have
to
follow
the
federal
regulations,
and
so
it's
any
person,
who's,
60
years
of
age
or
older,
and
then
also
individuals
under
60
can
qualify
if
they're
the
spouse
of
that
60
plus
individual
or,
if
they're,
an
individual
with
a
disability
that
is
a
resident
of
senior
housing
where
the
snack
is
located
or
an
adult
child.
A
A
I
will
say-
and
I
took
this
directly
from
the
administration
on
community
living-
that
the
congregate
nutrition
services
are
not
intended
to
reach
every
individual
in
the
community.
Rather,
the
program
targets,
adults,
age,
60
and
older,
who
have
the
greatest
social
and
economic
need,
with
particular
attention
to
older
adults,
who
are
low
income,
minority
living
in
rural
areas,
having
limited
english
proficiency
and
or
at
risk
of
institutional
care
such
as
nursing
facility
placement.
A
So
what
kinds
of
meals
are
served
prior
to
covid?
All
of
our
snacks
were
being
we're
being
offered
a
hot
meal,
and
typically
those
meals
were
being
prepared
by
local
nursing
facilities
and
the
reason
for
that
I'll
get
to
here
in
just
a
moment,
however,
like
as
I
mentioned,
our
snacks
had
to
shut
down
during
covid
and
since
we've
reopened
many
of
our
previous
providers,
just
simply
don't
have
the
capacity
to
continue
providing
the
meals
we
talked.
A
You
know
throughout
the
area
to
to
several
different
nursing
facilities,
who
are
struggling
to
even
get
the
meals
to
their
own
residence,
much
less
take
on
extra
meals
for
another
program
and
and
meals
that
have
to
meet
certain
requirements,
and
things
like
that,
as
well
as
just
too
much
for
them.
At
the
moment
we
have
reached
out
to
our
previous
provider
here,
multiple
times
over
the
last
almost
a
year
and
they're
still
not
able
to
to
resume.
A
So,
I
will
say
the
majority
of
our
snacks
since
reopening
have
had
to
transition
to
frozen
meals.
I
will
say
we
were
kind
of
pleasantly
surprised
and
I
think
that
participants
were
pleasantly
surprised
that
they
weren't
as
bad
as
they
imagined
that
they
would
be.
I
think
a
lot
of
people
were
just
happy
to
get
back
into
that
congregate.
Setting
get
the
activities
going
and
just
take
what
they
can
get.
A
A
It's
worth
mentioning,
though,
that
we
do
have
a
brand
new
frozen
meal
provider.
This
provider
is
being
used
across
the
state,
and
people
are
pretty
happy
with
it.
A
frozen
meal
is
a
frozen
meal,
but
we
do
you
know
we
try
to.
We
try
to
take
them
out
of
the
you
know
the
frozen
meal
container
and
and
heat
it
all
up
and
re-serve
it
back
on
a
plate,
so
it
doesn't
feel
as
much
like
a
frozen
meal.
Also,
you
know
we
just.
A
We
would
like
to
encourage
the
participants
to
at
least
try
the
meals.
You
know,
don't
knock
it
till
you,
try
it
sort
of
attitude
and
at
least
just
give
them
a
chance,
but
all
meals
and
menus
have
to
be
approved
by
a
registered
dietitian
and
they
have
to
meet
very
specific
dietary
guidelines
in
order
to
be
funded
through
the
older
americans
act.
So
the
guidelines
include,
you
know
they
have
to
be
a
balanced
meal,
they
have
to
include
meats,
vegetables,
fruits,
breads,
etc.
They
they
are
controlled
portion
sizes.
A
They,
the
temperatures,
have
to
be
correct.
There's
a
lot
of
documentation
that
you
know
we
have
to.
We
have
to
be
able
to
show
that
we
served
it
to
eligible
participants,
and
you
know
show
that
we're
meeting
the
program
guidelines
in
order
to
get
funded
for
the
meals.
A
So
you
know
what
is
being
done
to
you
know.
So,
as
I
mentioned
here,
you
know
people
aren't
particularly
open
to
the
idea
of
the
frozen
meals,
so
we've
been
struggling
with
getting
the
meals
back
on
the
table.
A
I
can
you
know
what
have
we
done
so
far
to
find
a
hot
meal
provider,
as
I
said,
we've
reached
out
to
our
previous
provider,
which
was
river
terrace
by
the
way
multiple
times,
but
they
don't
currently
have
adequate
staffing
we've
reached
out
to
other
nursing
facilities,
we've
reached
out
to
the
hospital
we've
partnered
with
the
boys
and
girls
club
because
they
have
a
local
presence
here,
and
they
also
have
an
interest
in
doing
some
like
intergenerational
programming
and
things
like
that.
A
This
program
is
actually
designed
for
us
to
contract
through
a
third
party
and
just
have
oversight
of
the
program,
but
we
have
we've
struggled
to
find
somebody
willing
to
do
that
in
the
past.
So
we're
actually
really
excited
about
that
opportunity.
But
I
feel,
like
they've,
got
a
really
really
tough
job
ahead
of
them
right
now,
because
we
just
simply
can't
find
a
hot
meal
provider
that
can
meet
the
dietary
requirements.
A
So
we've
reached
out
to
local
restaurants
and
again
they
either
haven't
thus
far
been
able
to
commit
to
being
able
to
meet
the
dietary
requirements
or
they
can't
provide
a
reasonably
priced
meal
for
less
than
10
people
a
day
which
was
our
average
attendance
prior
to
covet,
and
I
I
don't
know
if
it's
comparable
now.
I
think
that
sounds
about
right.
So
anyway,
we've
also
been
working
with
the
parks
with
the
parks
department,
city
of
madison.
You
know:
we've
we've
thrown
around
a
lot
of
ideas.
A
I
know
that
you
know
the
the
parks
department
attempted
to
do
a
survey
of
the
participants
over
the
last
couple
of
weeks
and
as
of
one
or
two
days
ago,
we
had
had
one
response
and
it
simply
said
we
want
good
food,
so
we
are
still
trying.
You
know,
I
guess
the
question
becomes
what
will
be
offered
at
the
madison
senior
center
until
a
hot
me,
a
hot
meal
provider
can
be
found.
A
I
want
to
say
first
and
foremost
that
if
somebody
is
in
need
of
a
meal,
we
can
absolutely
get
them
a
meal.
They
can
have
home,
delivered
meals.
You
know
we
can
go
down
another
avenue
to
try
to
find
them
recess
resources
for
a
meal
if
they
want
that
congregate
meal
funded
by
lifetime
resources.
It's
going
to
have
to
meet
the
program
guidelines.
I
understand
that
it
would
be
much
more
appealing,
I
guess,
for
us
to
just
be
able
to
bring
in
subway
or
wendy's
or
something
like
that.
A
But
we
simply
can't
I
I
cannot.
I
cannot
fund
that
we
can
only
you
know
like
I
said
we
can
only
fund
meals
that
meet
the
program
requirements.
You
know
I
think
participants
have
been
and
they
even
prefer
to
bring
in
their
own
meals
and
sort
of
work
out
a
schedule
amongst
themselves,
who's
going
to
pick
it
up
and
how
they're
going
to
arrange
payment
things
like
that,
and
we're
certainly
open
to
other
suggestions.
A
But
you
know
my
my
worry
is
that,
like
you
know,
the
parks
department
comes
in
and
says:
oh,
maybe
we
can
fund
meals
for
a
short
period
of
time
or
something
like
that
until
you
find
somebody.
My
worry
is
we've
been
looking
for
months
and
it
just
doesn't
seem
that
there's
an
option
out
there.
So
unless
you
have
some
sustainable
funding
or
something
like
that,
I
don't
want
you
get
to
get
yourselves
in
a
position
where
you
start
funding
meals
that
create
an
expectation
that
I
can
never.
I
can
never
compete
with.
A
I'm
not
going
to
bring
be
able
to
fund
a
meal
that
is
as
appealing
as
anybody
can
just
choose
from
this
program
is
specifically
designed
for
people
who
who
need
a
meal
and
and-
and
you
know,
has
has
specific
program
requirements.
A
A
D
A
Meals
on
wheels
would
have
specifically
driven
a
hot
meal
to
you
what
these
would
be
frozen,
meals
delivered,
and
then
you
usually
get
like
a
week
to
two
weeks
supply
at
a
time.
There
are
multiple
providers
that
you
can
choose
from.
You
can
choose
from
different.
You
can
choose
your
choice
of
types
of
meals
that
you
like.
I
would
say
that
you
know,
like
I
mentioned
earlier,
we've
gotten
a
new
provider
that
we
can
try
with
these
with
these
meals.
A
I
know
that
at
the
senior
center
a
number
of
years
ago
they
tried
the
frozen
meals,
for
whatever
reason
I
think
our
provider
wasn't
available
for
a
while
or
something
and
they
tried
the
meals
they
didn't
like
them,
and
so
now
they're
sort
of
just
absolutely
refusing
to
try
these
new
meals
and
I'm
trying
to
say
you
know,
let's
at
least
give
them
a
try,
don't
knock
it
till
you
try
it
there's
new
providers
across
the
state
across
the
u.s
honestly,
during
kovic,
people
had
to
transition
to
either
grab-and-go
meals
or
frozen
meals
because
they
weren't
allowed
to
be
in
the
congregant
setting,
and
so
we
we've
got
meal
providers.
A
Popping
up
all
over
the
place,
trying
to
do
things
that
are
you
know,
more
culturally
diverse
meals
and
you
know,
do
things
that
are
more
appealing,
because
I.
A
Taken
advantage
of
this
opportunity,
if
they're,
the
only
people
out
there
that
are
able
to
get
meals
out
to
people
to
you,
know
kind
of
sustain
this
program
in
the
meantime,
that's
why
we've
got
these
other
providers
popping
up,
so
my
hope
is
that
they
would
be
open
to
trying
it
thus
far,
we've
not
been
that
successful
and-
and,
like
I
said
you
know,
we're
not
going
to
stop
looking
for
for
another
provider.
A
I
kind
of
feel
like
it.
What
the
seniors
want
at
the
senior
center
they
can,
they
can
decide
if
they
want
something
funded.
They're
going
to
have
to.
You
know,
be
open
to
what
we
can
fund
if
the
the
city
or
the
county
values
the
idea
of
congregate
meals
and
feels
like
there
is
a
need
out
there.
That
is
still
being
unmet.
We
can
look
at
other.
A
You
know
we
could
look
at
doing
something
in
a
senior
living
facility
or
find
another
group
that
meets,
or
you
know
something
like
that
we
can
look
at
other
locations.
So
it's
just
a
matter
of
you
know.
On
one
hand,
what
do
we
do
for
the
senior
center
and
then
you
know
what
do
you
want
outside
of
that
in
terms
of
still
being
able
to
offer
this
program
for
those
who
are
willing
and
need
it.
A
I
am
that
is
not
one
of
the
programs
that
we
offer,
mainly
because
those
are
done
by
well
they're,
usually
done
in
the
senior
centers
a
lot
themselves.
We
actually
at
the
moment,
are
offering
walk
with
ease.
Instead,
it's
all
the
health
and
wellness
programs
that
we
do
have
to
be
evidence-based,
and
this
is
something
that
was
developed
by
the
arthritis
foundation.
A
I
think-
and
so
it's
a
walking
program.
I
think
it's
like
a
six
week
program
where
the
individuals
walk
one
of
the
other,
evidence-based
programs
that
we
do
is
something
called
healthy
ideas,
which
is
a
depression
screening.
A
We
are
also
looking
at
potentially
doing
a
falls
risk
program
which
we
have
done
in
the
past.
Looking
at
trying
to
do
that
again,
we
are
also
looking
at
potentially
doing
chronic
disease
self-management
and
a
few
other
things
like
that
as
well.
D
D
G
A
To
keep
bringing
in
their
own
meals,
that's
that's
kind
of
what
I've
heard.
Most
recently,
we
were
trying
to
get
actual
survey
results
so
that
we
could
put
some
numbers
in
front
of
you,
but,
like
I
said
they
didn't
really
participate.
All
that
well,
and
I
know
that
they've
had
a
couple
of
meetings
sort
of
asking
for
input.
I
know
that
they
just
are
very
opposed
to
the
frozen
meals.
They
want
something
hot
or
they
just
want
to
bring
it
in
themselves.
C
D
And
they
had
50
people
show
up
for
their
lunch,
they
had
the
pride
grocery
store,
donate
chicken,
and
then
they
had
two.
Ladies,
that
made
green
beans.
Mashed
potatoes.
You
know
the
side
dishes
and
they
charged
like
four
bucks.
It
was
a
great
meal,
I'll
cook
meal
for
four
dollars.
So
I
wanted
to
ask
you
like
if
we
could
come
up
with
just
maybe
two
days
a
week
and
some
volunteers.
D
A
Possibly
I
wouldn't
say
no
to
that.
You
know:
we'd
have
to
work
out
a
lot
of
details,
sure
the
meals
have
to
be
approved
by
a
registered
dietitian.
A
I
will
say,
though,
that
for
some
of
our
sites,
we've
never
we're
so
small
in
our
area
that
we
we've
never
had
a
registered
dietitian
on
staff,
so
we
actually
purchase
menus
from
another
area
agency
on
aging
in
the
state
who
has
a
registered
dietitian,
and
we
just
sort
of
follow
that
to
a
t,
I
think
the
risk
maybe
and
allowing
volunteers
and
things
to
do
that
is:
are
they
going
to
get
the
portion
sizes
correctly?
Are
they
you
know
that
sort
of
stuff?
It's
it's.
C
D
Come
and
eat
at
theirs
and
if
we
can
do
the
days
where
they
don't
provide
it
here
in
madison
and
also
home
cooked.
If
we
go
two
days
a
week,
they
go
two
days
a
week.
Then
we
cover
our
seniors.
Almost
you
know
five
days
out
of
seven
with
nutritionally
balanced,
home-cooked
foods.
I
just
want
to
know
if
you
were
open
to
you
know.
A
D
F
N
A
Trying
to
find
the
provider
making
sure
that
they're
ordering
the
meals
and
making
sure
the
program
requirements
are
met.
You
know
all
new
participants
have
to
sign
a
new
form
every
day
they
have
to.
There
has
to
be
temperature
logs
taken.
They
have
to
make
sure
that
they
get
the
the
meals
approved
by
the
registered
dietitian,
just
making
sure
that
all
the
program
requirements
are
met.
It's
basically
a
subcontract
from
us
to
them
and
we're
just
reimbursing
them
for
the
program,
and
that
is
actually
the
way
the
program
is
designed.
A
We've
actually
had
to
apply
for
a
waiver
in
all
instances
where
we
have
not
had
someone
to
do
a
subcontract
with,
so
it's
actually
the
way
that
the
program
is
designed
because
we
cover
five
companies.
I
see
it
as
advantageous
to
have
a
local
organization
here.
You
know
my
office
is
in
dillsboro,
as
is
my
nutrition
manager,
and
she
would
have
been
here
today,
but
she's
not
fundamentally,
but
you
know
we
felt
that
it
would
be
advantageous
to
for
one
do
what
the
program
is.
A
You
know
how
the
program
is
designed
to
be
run,
but
also
I
just
know
that
the
boys
and
girls
club
in
general
has
an
interest
in
looking
to
the
future
towards
intergenerational
programming
and
things
like
that.
So
they
have
an
interest
in
you
know
gaining
some
ground
with
the
older
adult
population
as
well.
Thank
you.
P
P
I
worked
for
a
lifetime
for
what
five
years,
and
also
they
terminated
me
when
they
connected
with
the
boys,
girls
club
and
the
boys
and
girls
club
said
they
would
hire
me
to
take
care
of
the
meals
and
when
I
came
back
down
over
here,
then
I
called
back
up.
There
took
the
ladies
there,
and
I
said
I
wouldn't
accept
it.
P
Okay,
but
at
the
time
they
was
talking
about,
the
meals
were
being
from
head
over
to
college
and
most
the
ladies
over
there
they've
been
bringing
their
own
meals
in
it
and
most
of
them
they
was
talking
about.
Maybe
that
might
be
okay,
but
when
they
came
up
with
these
frozen
dinners,
nobody
over
there
wants
the
frozen
beers.
They
do
not
want
them.
They
took
these
two
gemini
the
day
that
they
come
over
there.
P
They
do
not
and
like
I
said
I
didn't
influence
anybody
where
there
was
it
doesn't
matter
whether
they
have
frozen
dinners
or
a
hamburger
for
wendy's.
I
don't
care,
but
I'm
just
speaking
to
them.
They
do
not
want
frozen
dinners
and
they
will
not
accept
them.
I'll.
Tell
you
that
right
now,
I
don't
know
what
you
know
what
you
can
come
up
with.
I
have
no
clue
that
they,
they
don't
know
what's
frozen.
They
tried
before
the
ones
they
had
before
brenda
thayer
who,
with
my
boss,
they
said
they
come
down.
P
P
Gave
them
away
to
every
one
of
them
and
only
about
two
of
them
fight.
We
don't
want
that
they
figured
what
they
wanted.
So
when
these
frozen
eaters
come
in,
they
talk
about
frozen,
they
do
not
I'm
just
telling
you
flat.
They
do
not
want
frozen
dinners
if
you
go
where
tomorrow
or
thursday,
they'll
tell
you
the
same
thing.
So
I
have
to
say
that.
A
We
we
did
order
most
recently,
some
frozen
meals
and
had
them
taken
down
to
the
senior
center
and
they're.
A
I
understand
that
and
our
intent
was,
you
know.
We
understand
that
gary's,
an
integral
part
of
the
senior
center
he's
been
there
for
a
long
time
he's
the
trusted
source
with
the
seniors
down
there.
Our
intent
was
to
you,
know,
kind
of
call
him
and
say:
hey.
You
know
these
are
coming
down
to
you.
We
really
want
you
to
try
to
encourage
them
to
have
an
attitude
of
don't
lock
it
till
you
try
it
and,
unfortunately,
the
the
phone
call
that
he
received
was
answered
on
speakerphone.
A
Those
just
absolutely
shut
down
do
not
want
them,
so
it
didn't
work
out
very
well.
Obviously,
I'm
going
to
be
taking
those
meals,
if
you
all
don't
mind
and
using
them
at
some
of
our
other
sites,
so
they're
not
going
to
go
to
waste,
we
we
we
did
terminate
gary
after
a
couple
of
years
of
maintaining
him
throughout
covet.
We
luckily
were
able
to
you
know,
fund
his
position.
A
We
had
some
flexibility
where
we
were
able
to
what
we
had
during
while
the
sites
were
closed.
We
had
all
of
our
snack
we've
just
changed
our
title
to
coordinators,
but
he
was
called
a
snack
director
at
the
time.
Making
well
calls
making
sure
that
those
individuals
were
if
they
needed
food.
A
They
were
getting
it,
making
sure
that
they
were
doing
well
during
cove
that
they
weren't
socially
isolated
things
like
that,
and
we
were
able
to
fund
those
positions
through
something
called
individual
socialization
activities
during
that
time,
when
the
snacks
were
closed,
when
the
snacks
started
to
open
up,
all
of
our
other
sites
opened
up
and
got
going
on
on
the
frozen
meals
pretty
quickly
like
I
said
they
were.
Accepting
of
them
when
we
started
our
relationship
with
the
boys
and
girls
club
we
had
said
to
them.
You
know
we
would
highly
recommend
gary.
A
We
think
he's
going
to
be
an
integral
part
of
the
whole
situation,
etc,
but
if
they
don't
get
meals
in
there,
there's
nothing
to
fund
the
program
or
his
position
with.
So
the
problem
is:
if
we
don't
work
out
a
solution,
they're
not
open
to
the
frozen
meals.
We
don't
have
another
option
right
now,
there's
no
way
to
fund
the
position
at
all.
So
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
for
what
it's
worth.
C
C
D
I
Came
in
as
aaron
was
speaking,
and
I
don't
know
exactly
what
was
said
before
I
got
here
so
forgive.
C
I
I
And
and
they
felt
like
that
would
be
too
expensive
with
lifetime
resources.
It's
it's
based
on
donation.
Really.
I
found
a
gentleman
here
in
town
who
has
a
restaurant
who
felt
like
he
could
help
us.
But
again
it's
it's
a
restaurant
and
the
cost
was
about
the
same
as
it
was
with
you
guys.
So
if
they
don't,
if
they
don't
pay,
then
I
mean
it
is
what
it
is.
I
And
the
response
was,
we
want
good
food
when
we
were
there.
You
know
I
asked
them
what
what
do
you
guys
want,
because
this
is
their
building?
This
is
their
stuff,
and
these
little
ladies,
what
I
got
from
them
was
we're
kind
of
happy
with
what
we're
doing-
and
I
understand
that
I
really
do
you
know
I've
been
a
nurse
almost
30
years.
I
Know
there
are
things
that
you
want.
You
want
to
hang
on
to
that.
You
did,
as
you
were
younger
and
for
those
women
cooking
is
their
love
language.
So
that's
a
big
deal
to
them
and
I
don't
I
don't
want
to
take
that
away
from
them.
They,
you
know,
as
far
as
lifetime
in
us
being
able
to
start
meals.
We
can
do
that
separate
from
that.
I'm
not
worried
about
that.
I
What
what
I
want
to
make
sure
is
that
they
they're
getting
what
they
want
and
what
I
gathered,
if
you
gently
felt
the
same
way
was
that
they
really
liked
what
they
were
doing
and,
ladies,
were
able
to
cook
what
they
wanted,
not
what
they
were
told
that
they
had
to
have
and
the
portions
they
had
to
have
and
their
desserts
that
they,
like.
I
I
mean
all
these
things,
so
I
just
I
just
basically
basically
want
to
point
out
that
they
they
do
have
meals
but
they're
doing
them
themselves
and
they're
pretty
happy
about
that.
So
I
mean
that's
just
where
we
are,
and
you
know
the
boys
and
girls
club,
we,
the
kids,
love,
they
love
their
seniors.
You
know
we
teach
them
that
there's
so
much
to
learn
like
these
folks,
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
that
we
take
care
of
them
as
we
can
and
maybe
taking
care
of
them
is
letting
them
have.
What.
F
O
F
D
A
F
The
facility
itself
can't
accommodate
do
we
just
need
a
proper
clean,
something
that
has
been
serving
as
right.
The
only
thing
wrong
over
there
is
dishwashing
does
not.
A
C
A
C
P
A
Honestly,
there's
value
in
that
that
gives
them
some
ownership
and
their
senior
center
organizing
their
events
with
their
friends.
That's
what
it's
all
about
anyway,
you
know-
and
so
I
just
don't
want
the
perception
to
be
that
lifetime,
isn't
it
isn't
willing
to
provide
meals
anymore?
That's
certainly
not
the
truth.
P
When
the
when
the,
when
the
coconut
hit,
we
lost
a
lot
of
people
over
there,
some
some
are
still
alive,
but
they're
older.
They
do.
We've
got
one
way
to
be
99
next
month,
she's
different
drives,
but
we've
got
some
that
don't
come
anymore
because
of
their
age
and
and
also,
if
they're
not
visibly
able
to
come.
But
since
we've
opened
up
in
the
last
three
months,
we
picked
up
a
lot
of
new
people
coming
in
to
participate
on
those
days
and.
C
C
A
That's
great
and
that
that
kind
of
goes
to
speak
to
the
success
of
them
doing
what
they
want
to
do
and
bringing
in
bringing
in
more
friends
and
and
socializing
more
and
that's
what
it's
all
about,
and
for
those
that
aren't
able
to
come
anymore.
You
know
we're
always
trying
to
educate
people
to
do
a
referral
to
lifetime,
because
if
they
need
meals
or
they
need
in-home
services,
we
can
get
those
for
them.
L
C
L
Want
to
say
that
gary
is
wonderful
and
the
city
needs
to
make
sure
that
he
is
managing
the
senior
center
and
you
could
do
a
lot
more
information
sharing
so
that
everybody
in
town
knows
what's
going
on
over
there.
There
is
no
publicity
about
anything
happening
at
the
senior
center.
We
now
have
the
senior
dances,
which
gary
also
coordinates
being
publicized,
but
nothing
about
people
and
pool
and
cards
and
puzzles
and
sharing.
L
L
Nobody
again,
it's
not
publicized,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
people
that
are
still
staying
very
close
to
home
that
are
eligible
for
for
meals.
Now
I
used
to
deliver
meals
on
wheels
and
part
of
that
is
the
daily
interaction
with
people,
and
I
understand
all
that's
changed
to
two
weeks
of
frozen
meals,
but
there
are
still
people
that
are
food,
insecure
that
need
to
know
that
that
service
is
available.
Yeah
we're
not
doing
a
very
good
job
at
all.
So
please,
please,
please!
We
need
to
do
better.
Thank
you.
E
K
O
Hello,
bob
it's
kristen
snyder
the
unit
director
at
the
club,
and
so
our
intention
with
this
program
has
been
to
have
the
meals,
be
a
way
to
get
our
foot
in
the
door
to
be
able
to
offer
some
more
interaction
with
the
seniors
we
had
talked
about
a
body
positive
yoga
class.
We
had
talked
about
trying
to
help
sponsor
some
of
the
dances
and
things
and
just
really
have
more
involvement
going
forward.
We
had
talked
about
some
cooking
classes.
We
even
talked
about
some
technology
classes.
O
So,
yes,
we
do
have
the
intention
to
attempt
to
provide
meals
and
then
be
there
on
staff
to
help
offer
some
activities
and
things.
What
we
had
done
previously
was
sent
carol
our
education
director
down
to
be
able
to
meet
with
the
seniors
and
kind
of
assess
what
their
interests
would
be,
so
that
we
can
offer
things
that
they
want,
rather
than
trying
to
force
them
to
do
things
that
they're
not
interested
in
and
wasting
their
time.
O
K
A
O
For
us
at
the
club
for
it
to
be
sustainable,
it
would
have
to
involve
the
meal
program
because
it's
a
reimbursable
program
so
at
the
club,
as
I'm
sure
everyone
else
understands,
we
cannot
provide
activities
that
don't
support
themselves.
R
Hello
board.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
our
representatives
from
lifetime
resources
and
the
boys
and
girls
club
and
gary
hewitt
for
all
being
here.
I
know
we're
all
kind
of
in
the
same
boat
right
now.
Things
can
get
difficult.
R
R
All
of
our
youth
leagues
are
either
practicing
or
playing
games.
Now
we're
operating
seven
youth,
sport,
leagues
right
now,
t-ball
rookie,
league
softball,
baseball,
minor
league
softball
and
baseball
and
major
league
softball
and
baseball
we've
had
over
280
kids
sign
up
for
our
spring
or
summer
leagues
this
year.
R
So
I
think
this
will
be
a
pretty
exciting
summer
with
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
action
going
on
in
our
youth,
youth
sports
world,
adult
programming,
pickleball
and
the
exercise
classes
were
running
smoothly
until
the
weather
got
nice,
unfortunately,
but
we
did
just
wrap
up
our
adult
basketball
league.
Last
week
we
had
a
successful
18
league
and
team.
Patton
ended
up
winning
the
championship
and
softball
is
scheduled
to
start
may.
23Rd
there
will
be
five
teams
in
the
league
this
year
and
games
will
be
brought
back
to
general
paul
park.
R
Registration
for
women's
softball
has
not
been
open
yet,
but
will
be
offered
this
summer,
and
this
kind
of
goes
back
to
what
I
said
earlier,
due
to
our
chiller
being
out
at
the
brown
gym
and
sorry,
I'm
moving
on
to
senior
programming
due
to
our
children
being
out
at
the
brown
gym,
and
we
had
to
cancel
last
week's
senior
dance
just
because
it
was
so
hot
inside
and
didn't
want
to.
You
know
our
seniors
to
run
into
any
health
issues
with
that.
C
R
Done
a
great
job,
putting
all
that
together
and
then
we've
also
had
some
volunteers
that
have
cleaned
out
the
senior
citizen
center.
There
were
offices
over
there
that
haven't
been
used
in
a
while,
with
the
kind
of
you
know,
kind
of
cluttered
in
there
they've
cleaned
it
out,
and
it
looks
very
nice
and
clean
over
there.
All
the
offices
do
and
the
senior
center
is
still
operating
on
a
normal
basis,
and
it
seems
that
we
are
bringing
in
good
crowds
throughout
the
week.
F
Good
afternoon
carpool
piggybacking
off
chad
there.
Thank
you
all.
Our
representatives
tonight
bill
barnes
community
foundation,
nicole
shell,
with
the
city
of
madison,
ed
curtin,
is
one
of
our
pool
consultants,
aaron
thomas
with
lifetime
resources,
carol
marsh
pierson
snyder
for
boys
and
girls
club
and
gary
hubert
who's
kind
of
been
our
rockstar
senior
liaison.
F
We
appreciate
everyone
taking
time
out
of
their
day
to
come
here
and
speak
with
the
department
commissioners
and
for
the
public
and
jan
brings
up
a
great
point
of
we're,
always
striving
to
do
better
with
our
communications
with
our
marketing
our
advertising.
So
that's
something
that
no
matter
how
much
we
do
you
can
never
over
communicate.
So
that's
something
that
we're
really
trying
to
focus
on
and
prioritize
moving
forward.
C
F
For
me
board
something
a
little
different
than
our
typical
written
report
is
a
big
thing.
That's
on
my
mind
as
the
master
plan.
This
was
due
our
five
year.
Master
plan
for
2022
through
2026
was
due
to
dnr
on
april
15th,
with
the
help
of
controlled
shell
from
the
planning
department.
We
were
able
to
get
that
submitted
on
time.
F
In
the
the
waiting
period
of
it'll
take
them
a
few
months
to
review
all
the
different
master
plans.
F
F
That
kind
of
goes
over
a
little
bit
of
everything
for
our
for
our
parts
department
as
a
whole,
and
somehow
we
essentially
got
there
the
process
for
this
we
underwent
you
know
comprehensive
data,
collection
and
analysis
in
conjunction
with
public
surveys,
public
meetings,
meetings
that
we
had
internally
with
our
staff
current
and
former
park
commissioners,
such
as
yourselves
trying
to
receive
various
viewpoints,
and
such
we
combine
that
information.
F
With
our
demographic
study
trends
analysis,
it's
how
we
were
kind
of
able
to
determine
our
needs
analysis.
So
the
final
step,
as
I
said,
the
park
board
adopting
this
will
then
be
providing
funding
sources.
Because
the
big
question
is:
how
do
you
pay
for
it?
C
F
Is
to
me
the
biggest
takeaway
from
the
entire
master
plan
if
you've
got
nothing
else
from
130
something
pages,
it's
just
kind
of
the
key
recommendations,
the
goals
and
objectives
of
what
we
have
moving
forward
and
that
is
facility
investments.
Mayor
courtney
says
all
the
time
that
he
wants
to
reinvest
into
the
community
into
the
neighborhood
parks
and
really
enhance
our
quality
of
life
so
facility.
F
Include
upgrading
our
neighborhood
parks,
so
that's
oak
hill
games,
playground
for
all
children,
lorenz
john
paul
park
jc
park
and
then
differentiating
too
between
the
neighborhood
parks,
but
then
there's
also
the
community
parks
and
outdoor
recreation
facilities.
So
things
such
as
crystal
beach,
our
city,
campground,
rucker
sports,
complex
the
skate
park,
the
tennis
courts,
things.
C
F
F
Improving
the
overall
accessibility
is
another
common
theme
you
saw
there
with
crystal
beach,
especially
that
we've
got
structures
that
were
built
decades
ago
that
maybe
that
wasn't
on
their
entire
focus,
landscaping
and
beautification
plan
for
every
applicable
park.
I
know
carly
you're,
always
speaking
to
me,
about
let's
make
it
more
beautiful
and
then
evaluating
appropriate
staffing
levels
across
the
department.
F
F
Of
all
this
program,
so
expanding
program
offerings
across
all
of
our
platforms,
that
includes
the
youth,
adult
seniors
and
then
really
focusing
on
recruitment
and
retention.
That's
something
that
chad's
done
an
excellent
job
of,
and
we
need
to
start
partnering
this
with
our
marketing
with
our
advertising
figure
out.
Who
is
our
target
audience
for
each
and
every
one
of
these
programs?
How
do
we
expand
that
reach
and
draw
in
more
than
just
madison
more
than
just
jefferson
county?
F
Why
did
they
sign
up?
How
did
they
hear
about
it?
We've,
since
I
came
here,
we
moved
to
where
it's
not
just
paper
copies
that
you
had
to
come
into
the
city
hall
between
84.
Now
you
can
do
it
online.
Now
you
can
pay
by
credit
card
things
like
that
to
just
make
it
easier
to
sign
up
what
do
they
like
about
the
current
program?
What
did
they
like?
F
How
can
we
improve
and
just
kind
of
utilizing
all
that,
as
well
as
looking
thankful
for
our
different
sponsors
and
our
volunteers,
because
we
could
not
hold
these
things
without
chad,
as
he
mentioned
over
280
participants
for
youth,
softball,
baseball
t-ball?
We
could
not
have
that
without
the
help
of
our
volunteers,
of
all
the
coaches
and
everybody
that
takes
time
out
of
their
day
to
help
the
youth
for
our
community.
So
we're
very
thankful
for
that.
F
This
kind
of
overall
plan
is
designed
to
support
those
initiatives,
focus
on
investing
into
our
assets,
so
that
we
may
provide
the
best
possible
experience
to
those
of
all
ages.
By
prioritizing
prioritizing
these
areas
proper
planning,
we
will
see
an
acceleration
on
the
return
of
our
investment,
and
the
economic
impact
of
the
local
economy
cannot
be
understated.
F
F
That's
what
can
happen,
and
so
we've
got
a
lot
of
broken
pieces
right
now
that
we're
trying
to
put
back
together,
and
so
that's
where
the
park,
commissioners,
your
help,
moving
forward
the
public,
your
patience
and
help
moving
forward
is
going
to
be
huge
for
these
next
five
years
as
we
prioritize
and
reinvest,
and
we
commit
to
improving
the
quality
of
life
here.
So.
F
D
I
know
that
you've
been
trying
to
work
on
hiring
additional
staff
maintenance,
guys
we're
down
to
three.
Have
you
been
successful.
F
Bobo
yeah,
so
right
now,
we've
got
two
that
are
going
to
come
on
to
help
one
high
school
one
college.
We
try
to
get
him
one
to
two
people.
Typically,
it's
more
younger
kids
to
help
him
prepare
for
the
the
fields
and
that
kind
of
stuff,
because
it
is
very
labor
intensive
one
of
them,
since
he's
college
will
get
a
little
bit
quicker
than
the
one
that's
in
high
school,
but
we'll
be
getting
them
and
then
for
the
program
so
yeah
for
sunrise
golf
course.
We
have
one
person.
F
We
just
have
moved
from
another
company
to
come
work
for
us,
that's
seasonal,
and
then
we
have
two
others
that
are
going
to
do
some
part-time
work
as
well
there
and
also
kind
of
piggybacking
off
that
too.
We
could
do
all
this
without
our
facilities,
manager,
slash
street
superintendent,
tony
sorrells
and
his
team
of
you
know
20
25
guys
that
they
do
a
great
job
of
helping
allocate
their
resources
to
where
we
can
help
maintain.
All
this.
F
C
Q
They
were
very,
very
thankful
that
they
had
a
place
to
go,
that
there
was
a
record
of
vaccines
and
they
felt
safe,
bringing
their
dog
there.
These
were
comments
on
the
internet,
so
the
decision
was
made
and
the
people
that
frequent
kind
of
felt
like
maybe
there
should
have
been
some
public
input
into
that
decision.
Q
So
the
decision
could
have
been
made
by
pet
owners
that
have
gone
there
for
years
and
years
and
they
just
don't
feel
they
feel
uncomfortable
with
the
situation
and
mainly
they
feel
they
just
felt
like
public
input
should
have
been
part
of
it
when
the
decision
was
made.
So
I
don't
know
why
it
wasn't.
I
know
a
lot.
A
lot
of
people
are
unhappy.
Q
Q
So
for
my
self-satisfaction
and
the
way
I
feel
I
just
felt
like
I
needed
to
come
here
and
talk
about
it
because
it's
a
we
are
taxpayers
and
that's
the
only
park
I
use
in
the
city
and
the
last
two
years.
My
taxes
have
gone
up
considerably
and
plus
I
always
paid
my
dues,
and
I
was
very
thankful
that
I
had
a
place
to
take
my
dog
where
he
could
run
he
could
play.
Q
I
knew
the
other
people
that
came,
I
knew
their
dogs
had
been
vaccinated
and
not
only
that,
but
people
that
vaccinate
their
dogs
always
also
give
them
worm
medicine.
All
that's
very
expensive,
a
lot
of
people
don't
do
that
and
and
they
come
in
there
and
their
dogs.
You
know
they're
not
good
about
picking
up
after
themselves;
they
just
bring
their
dog
in,
let
it
run
then
they
walk
out.
Q
So
we
that
have
been
going
there
a
while
we
go
around
and
pick
up
after
the
other
dogs
that
neglect,
because
we're
used
to
we're
used
to
being
there
and
we're
just
unhappy
that
that
the
code
system
is
not
there.
So
now
anybody
can
go
in
there
and
we
just
we're
not
happy
about
it.
So
anyway,
that's
mine.
M
Hi
there,
my
name
is
brenda
goldbrook,
and
I
am
also
a
dog
owner
here
in
town
and
have
been
going
to
the
dog
park
for
years
and
first
off.
I
am
so
appreciative
to
have
a
dog
park
in
the
city,
because
I
do
live
downtown
with
a
very
tiny
yard
that
doesn't
have
fully
enclosed
space,
and
I
have
a
very,
very
active
dog.
M
So
it's
a
dog
we
would
be
there
three
sometimes
four
day,
four
times
a
day
in
the
summertime
when
the
when
the
weather
and
lighting
allows,
but
I
just
want
to
kind
of
piggyback
on
what
she
was
saying
in
that.
M
The
major
point
for
me
is:
is
the
vaccination
records
because,
as
a
young
person
having
a
dog,
I
couldn't
always
afford
the
amount
of
money
that
it
cost
to
get
all
the
vaccinations
and
all
of
the
the
philly
take
and
all
the
worm?
And
and
all
of
that.
So
I
know
that
it
is
kind
of
a
very
costly
situation
and
in
most
cases
not
everybody
can
pay
for
all
of
those
things
for
on
a
yearly
basis.
As
a
responsible
pet
owner.
I
want
a
safe
place
for
my
dog
to
go.
M
There
are
things
like
hook,
worms
that
can
can
get
there
from
dog
feces
and
it
actually
gets
into
the
soil
and
then
can
barrow
burrow
into
the
paw
pads
of
your
dog,
and
those
are
something
that
you
cannot
get
out
of
that
soil
unless
you
dig
it
out,
if
you
have
vaccinations
and
you're
going
routinely
to
the
vet
and
getting
warmers,
those
things
aren't
going
to
happen.
But
if
you
get
people
that
are
coming
in
and
are
not
getting
those
things
routinely,
then
it
puts
all
of
our
other
dogs
at
risk.
M
The
same
thing
with
things
like
canine
influenza
that
can
be
transmitted
from
the
dogs,
licking
the
water
bowl
or
sneezing
in
the
same
space
as
your
dog,
and
not
to
mention
things
like
parvo
that
are
are
fatal.
Canine
influenza
is
fatal.
I've
known
people
who've
had
that
happen
to
their
dogs.
So
again,
it's
it's
just
disheartening
to
know
that
our
dogs
aren't
being
protected
in
that
way
and
just
to
jump
on
the
fee.
M
I
understand
I
completely
appreciate
the
amount
of
money
that
it
takes
to
keep
the
parks
up
and
going,
and
I
would
have
been
very
happy
to
have
a
higher
date
fee.
I
would
have
paid
a
higher
gate
fee
in
order
to
ensure
that
the
gate
was
there
so
that
my
dog
would
be
safe
and
that's
on
top
of
all
of
the
vaccine,
vaccinations
and
flea
intake
and
worm,
and
everything
else
that
I
have
to
provide
for
my
dog.
M
My
dog
is
my
child
and
it's
it's
I
feel
like
we
have
the
right
to
know
that
our
dogs
are
being
protected
when
we
take
them
into
that
public
space
in
terms
of
the
date
again,
I
know
just
to
reiterate.
M
There
are
times
where
I
have
to
be
there,
either
early
in
the
morning
or
later
in
the
evening
because
of
my
work
schedule,
and
it
was
always
nice
to
know
that
that
gate
locked
behind
me
just
in
the
event
that
someone
would
be
walking,
I
actually
did
have
to
call
the
police
once
or
twice
for
people
fighting.
It's
not
a
very
well
policed
area
in
town.
M
I
won't
start
on
the
the
speed
of
the
cars
going
by,
but,
having
that
gate
that
locked,
some
of
our
dogs
are
very
intelligent
and
can
push
those
gates
open
and
having
a
gate
that
locked
and
I
know,
they've
gone
back
and
put-
they
tried
a
little
plastic
gate
on
the
outside
gate
and
that
got
broken
immediately.
I
think
because
no
one
knew
how
to
use
it
and
they've
put
a
chain
now,
which
is
great
so
that
helps
but
just
the
abili
the
ability
for
a
dog
to
get
out
of
that
gate.
M
I
know:
there's
been
dogs
that
have
been
hit
by
cars
down
there,
because
people
are
going
a
lot
faster
than
they
need
to,
but
just
having
that
lock
on
the
gate
made
me
feel
safer
and
then
getting
back
to
I've
worked
not
for
profit
for
over
20
years
now,
and
just
talking
about
a
gate
fee
there's
something
about
even
the
most
minimal
fee.
M
M
I
my
dog,
brings
her
own
ball
because
she's
picky,
but
I
go
around
and
pick
up
all
the
tennis
balls
and
all
the
toys,
because
I
know
that
the
mowing
crew
is
gonna
have
to
come
in
and
mow
and
they
don't
have
time
to
stop
and
pick
all
that
up.
So
we
do
have
that
little
bit
of
ownership
that
comes
along
with
having
the
membership
or
the
fee
or
whatever.
M
It
is,
and
I
do
think
that
helps
because
I
do
see
a
lot
more
mess
and
trash
and
food
waste
being
left
and
again
that
that's
something
I
don't
want
my
dog
to
walk
in
and
find
a
chicken
bone
laying
on
the
on
the
concrete,
because
someone
brought
their
dinner
in
that
could
be
fatal
to
my
dog
as
well.
So
it
really,
we
really
would
have
appreciated
having
input
on
that
conversation,
and
we
know
that
they
had
our
emails
because
they
emailed
to
tell
us
that
they
were
giving
us
our
money
back.
D
Thank
you
for
your
honesty.
Certainly
we
hear
what
you're
saying
I'm
a
dog
owner
myself.
I
have
four
pugs
and
they
I
do
all
my
backstages
everything
you
know
we
were
thinking
more
about
just
being
able
to
have
that
open
to
more
people.
D
Q
Q
And
I
know
the
locking
system
was
a
problem
at
our
park,
but
we
had
we
had
asked
and
asked
and
asked
and
asked
for
a
new
lot
to
be
put
on
there.
We
asked
for
maybe
a
solar
one
and
they
kept
saying
it
was
too
expensive.
It
was
too
expensive.
We
understood
that
so
some
people
did
get
in
the
park
that
weren't,
but
a
lot
of
it
was
because
that
lock
was
broke.
Q
It
would
work
part
of
the
time
and
part
of
the
time
it
wouldn't
so
there
were
people
coming
in
there.
So
when
we
left
we,
I
would
always
make
sure
it
locked
securely.
So
that
was
part
of
the
problem,
and
maybe
some
people
did
give
the
code
out.
I
never
did
and
I
never
ever
let
anybody
in
there
without
a
code-
and
I
think
most
of
us
didn't,
but
it
may
have
been
that
few
that
helped
make
that
decision
to
just
leave
it
unlocked.
Q
But
if
it
was
a
big
deal
having
a
code-
and
it
was,
it
just
gives
you
more
security
for
your
animal
that
you
have
a
lot
of
money
invested.
So
thank
you
all.
D
Thank
you
for
your
passion
about
your
dogs.
I
can
assure
you
you
should
talk
whatever
even
came
up
in
our
conversations.
I
don't
ever
remember,
chautauqua
even
being
brought
up
and
it
was
not
based
solely
on
the
campground
either.
That
was
just
mentioned
as
an
added
benefit
that
those
people
would
have
access
to
it,
but
that
was
not
based
on
our
decision.
It
was
more
about
just
allowing
more
people
to
use
the
dog
park,
so
people.
Q
Are
just
re
trying
to
figure
out
why
the
decisions
were
made?
These
were
that
was
just
comments
that
were
made.
People
are
trying
to
figure
it
out.
They
can't
they
can't
understand
why
all
of
a
sudden,
it's
it's
open,
yeah.
They,
I
think
we
feel
left
out
because
public
input,
maybe
the
decision,
would
have
been
different.
Had
the
public
been
able
to
voice.
F
F
F
We
brought
this
up
at
one
or
two
meetings
prior
to
voting
on
it,
so
it
would
have
been
three
meetings
or
so
to
where
we
had
that
discussion
about
it,
but
we
could
have
done
a
survey
and
we,
as
I
brought
up
earlier,
you
can
never
over
communicate.
So
there's
more
that
we
could
have
done
our
initial
our
thought
process
behind
this,
which
I
believe
we
still
hold
true
it's
to
enhance
the
quality
of
life.
C
C
F
But
it's
no
different
than
our
our
pool
or
other
parks
and
facilities
they're
there
for
all
the
use,
and
so
we
felt
that
trying
this
kind
of
quality
of
life
change
was
only
going
to
enhance
for
everybody,
and
I
can
surely
appreciate
that
some
people
may
not
feel
safe
having
other
dogs
in
there
and
such
I
have
two
hundred
pound
dogs.
So
I
am
always
cautious
when
I
bring
my
dogs
down
there,
because
they're
big
boys
that
some
people
may
not
feel
sick
with
them,
even
though
they
are
vaccinated,
they're
friendly.
I
still.
F
Weird
dog
owner:
it's
something
that
I
have
to
be
cautious
of,
but
we
really
like.
I
said
we
saw
this
as
a
quality
of
life
initiative
and
it's
something
that
we
wanted
to
try
out.
But
I
do
apologize
that
we
didn't
reach
out
individually
to
get
surveys
and
get
better
feedback
from
about
the
150
members
that
we
had
last
year.
For
that
and
just.
F
You
had
to
punch
in
the
code
to
get
out,
so
I
would
get
phone
calls
that
people
were
stuck
in
there
constantly,
and
I
know
that
that
wasn't
just
an
anomaly
that
that
happened
frequently,
that
I
would
get
told
about
that
people
didn't
have
codes
and
they
were
still
getting
in
there
and
we
were
still
liable
at
that
point.
Even
if
someone
were
to
get
in
there
and
then
one
of
these
instances
were
to
happen
as
well.
F
K
Yeah,
I
appreciate
all
that
that
concern
it
was
expressed
there
too.
Just
there
were
several
references
to
dogs
being
unvaccinated
and
we
had
reported
incidents
where
ducks
attacked
or
attacked
or
victim
one
there.
I.
K
Okay,
all
right-
and
we
can
certainly
also
speak
with
chief
wallace,
about
patrols
down
in
that
area,
because
I
think
there
was
a
reference
to
maybe
vagrant
sleeping
in
the
shelter
house
there
that
shouldn't
be
happening
and
definitely
seeing
the
problem
all
across
the
community
and
that's
why
we
have
invested
in
the
extra
traffic
management
resources
with
under
chief
wallace.
We're
sure
also
we
have
please
thank
you.
N
F
It's
only
130,
it's
an
easier
yeah.
We
are
going
to
put
that
post
that
online.
We
were
just
waiting
on
the
approval
from
dnr
for
that,
so
where
it's
the
official
document
to
where
we
can
publish
that.
N
The
main
reason
I'm
hearing
that
is,
I
actually
oh,
no
carla.
So
I
don't
know
if
the
rest
of
you
are,
you
know
had
grown
up
in
madison.
My
grandfather
was
tommy
tubinol
junior.
I
was
a
major
league
baseball
player
in
the
1920s
and
also
was
on
the
team
that
won
a
world
series
and
I
have
brought
and
that's
just
a
picture
and
then
there's
a
little
bit
there
and
then
that's
a
book
inducted
in
the
hall
of
fame
and
that's
just
some
stuff,
my
dad
graciously.
N
In
in
1921
he
played
on
the
brophy
team
for
the
brophy
company,
which
I've
never
heard
of
in
1922.
He
left
madison
to
play
semi-pro
ball
at
centralia
illinois
we'll
skip
that
part,
because
it's
just
too
long
and
I
will
just
concentrate
on
the
1926
world
series
in
1926
tommy
played
in
the
world
series
against
the
powerful
new
york
yankees
of
the
great
babe
ruth
tommy,
was
just
23
years
old
and
had
been
playing
shortstop
for
the
cardinals
since
1923..
N
N
N
He
even
clipped
a
home
run
at
the
stadium,
and
that
was
a
funny
one.
What
happened
was
that
it
went
into
this.
It
was
called
a
bloody
angle
and
babe
ruth
couldn't
find
it
and
he
babe
ruth
says
I've
made
quite
a
made
quite
a
slight
balling
where's,
the
blankety-blank
ball
at
the
top
of
my
lungs
and
no
son
of
a
gun
out.
There
would
tell
me,
and
then
this
is
the
most
decisive
hit
of
the
series
when
babe
ruth
surprised
everyone,
except
tommy
by
trying
to
steal
second
base.
N
N
He
received
a
check
for
6
200
for
that
world
series
win
and
we
do
have
the
world
series
baseball
ring.
Anyway.
It
goes
on.
He
played
for
a
bunch
of
different
teams,
had
a
couple:
accidents,
fractures
and
schemer,
he
retired.
In
1938,
with
a
career
average
of
247.,
he
went
on
to
coach
a
minor
league
baseball
team
in
ashland.
Kentucky
came
back
to
madison
in
1940,
worked
at
the
charleston
tuition
plant
during
world
war
ii.
N
He
was
an
active
instructor
at
the
kiwanis
baseball
schools,
which
was
not
held
at
kiwanis
park,
was
held
at
john
paul
park.
He
also
played
a
lot
of
pickup
games
and
things
like
that
at
john
paul
park
at
the
ball
field,.
N
N
And
he
came
along
at
a
time
when
heroes
and
role
models
and
athletics
were
sought.
He
filled
that
role
admirably
and
what
is
even
more
remarkable
is
that
he
did
it
and
kept
his
equilibrium
and
balance
never
letting
his
success
get
the
best
of
him.
His
legacy
should
serve
as
a
role
model
for
those
who
strive
to
succeed
in
baseball.
N
Is
john
paul
park
not
the
park,
but
the
ball
field
doesn't
have
a
name.
It's
just
john
paul
park.
Ballfield
and
you
know
my
grandfather,
there's
been
a
couple.
Other
players
and
madison
have
gone
on
in
the
major
leagues,
but
he
made
a
career
out
of
it
and
he
also
was
a
world
series
on
the
world
series
team.
So
I
didn't
know
what
the
process
would
be
to
maybe
consider
having
that
law
field
change
to
his
name.
C
R
That's
definitely
something
that
we
can
look
into,
I
think
with
his
rich
history
in
in
the
league,
and
you
know
being
from
here.
I
think
that
that
would
be
an
excellent
opportunity
to
to
name
that
field,
but
yeah.
Thank
you
for
bringing
that
up
to
us
matt.
Maybe
do
you
know
kind
of
what
that
standard
is
on
that
should
just.
F
L
Just
a
favor,
the
agendas
are
not
published
ahead
of
time,
and
so,
if
you
want
people
to
come
and
participate
and
give
feedback,
you.