City of Madison, Indiana City of Madison Plan Commission Meetings, 12 Apr 2021

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New Applications:

1. New Heart Church of God – Petition To Amend Final Plat so as to combine parcel 39-08-22-000-036-007 and parcel 39-08-22-000-037-000-007 into one parcel. The applicant plans on placing a sixty (60) by on-hundred and twenty (120) foot church building with a
parking lot.
Location: 449 & 443 Megan Ln. Zoned: General Business (GB)

2. New Heart Church of God – Setback Requirement for the construction of a sixty (60) by one-hundred and twenty (120) foot church building in General Business zoning. The applicant is requesting an eighty (80) foot setback on the North lot line, a thirty (30) foot setback from the East lot line, a one-hundred (100) foot setback on the South lot line, and a one-hundred (100) foot setback on the West lot line.
Location: 449 & 443 Megan Ln. Zoned: General Business (GB)

3. New Heart Church of God – Handicapped Parking Plan for a sixty (60) by one-hundred and twenty (120) foot church building. The applicants plan on placing one-hundred and sixty-one (161) standard parking spaces and six (6) ADA parking spaces.
Location: 449 & 443 Megan Ln. Zoned: General Business (GB)

4. Pettitt & Associates – Advisory Hearing application for parcel 39-13-01-223-053-000-007 (1010 East first Street), 39-13-01-223-055-000-007 (1016 East first Street), 39-13-01-223-056-000-007 (1028 East First Street), 39-13-01-223-057-000-007 (1030 East First Street) for the development of a seven (7) lot subdivision. Total Acreage is
approximately 1.31 acres.
Location: 1010, 1016, 1028, 1030 E. First St. Zoned: Historic District Residential (HDR)

For the purpose of hearing those for or against said applications, a public hearing will be held on Monday, April 12, 2021 at 5:30 p.m. in City Hall, 101 W. Main St., Madison, IN 47250.

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Whatever happened.

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I'd like to welcome everyone to the madison city plan commission for april 12th. If we have a roll call.

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Henderson here mike armstrong, carl evelyn.

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Patrick cavanaugh here jerry russell josh mueller here jeff kernan here vance.

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Everyone received a copy of the minutes of the january 11th meeting, there's no additions or corrections that I accept the motion to approve I'll make a motion to approve. uh Second motion is second to three minutes on paper, say hi.

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Okay right, we have a new application from the new heart church of god, a petition, I'm not going to read the plaque number so I'll read the addresses the petition to amid the final flat has to combine two parcels into one parcel. The applicant plans on placing a 60 by 120 church building with a parking lot location, is 449 and 443 made in lane zone general business who's representing the church.

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I guess here just a little explanation: what's going on there.

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Okay, uh I'm peter ellis from uh o'brien ellis. I don't think that your microphone's.

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On you have to touch it there you go.

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Hi, I'm peter ellis, I'm from o'brien and ellis engineering, we're doing work for the new heart of church of god, I'm here with jim wilson and essentially the church.

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Well, the request is to combine two two parcels to create one large one gives the uh the church more options in terms of how to cycle to building that property, and I have a copy of the site planet. I think a site plan was included right now.

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This is basically on the craig mustard behind the german americans.

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This megan lane is uh a short subdivision off of uh the extension of uh craigmont street north of uh cbs drugstore, and uh this these two lots lie easily behind what you'd know is the fishes and the german american banks here, and we, I think, track b, there's requested to combine track b and track d of the subdivision and track b has frontage on both on craigmount street and megan.

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Lane sits at the uh I guess at the south east corner of the intersection right in uh in doing the uh in doing the re-plat of that those those two parcels. I believe I didn't do it. uh Brian mcallister did the work in the calstr land consulting, and I think we located utilities and 811 was contacted and the city was contacted and so to the best of our knowledge, all the utilities have been located and shown.

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Okay, any questions from the board.

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Do you want the audience to speak for or against.

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I'll make a motion: we accept the first application.

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Second motion: second: we have roll call.

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The next application is for this same new heart church has got a setback application.

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It's the construction of the 60 by 120 foot, church building and general business owning the applicant is requesting 80-foot setback on the north line and 30-foot back on the east lot line and a hundred foot setback on the south block line and a 100 foot setback on the west at 449 and 443 megan lane's own general business kind of concerned. Basically the same thing.

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Any questions on the setback request.

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Yeah, my understanding is typically on on something like that. You look at any of the buildings in the vicinity and there aren't any buildings right in that subdivision.

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Okay, no questions. Anyone in the audience to.

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I'll make a motion to accept.

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The setbacks, as requested a second emotional second, where will.

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And the next application is the new heart church of god, a handicapped parking plan for a 60 by 120 foot church building the applicant plan on placing a 161 standard parking places with six ada parking places, location, 449 and 443 megan lane zone general business and that does meet all the requirements.

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Any questions anyone in the audience to speak for once.

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Accept a motion I'm about to accept the parking plan that's submitted for a new heart church of god. Second, have a motion.

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On the second, can we have a roll call vote jeff.

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Kernan yes, daryl henderson, yes, josh goldberg, yes, carl england, yeah patrick! Yes! Thank you, sir. Thank you very.

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You guys don't have to stay for this. If you don't want.

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Okay, the next item of business tonight is association associates an advisory hearing, application for 1010 east coast, 1016 east first 10 20.

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Seven, a watt subdivision total acreage is one point. Three one acres location is 10: 10, 10, 16, 10, 28, 10, 30, east first zone, historic district presidential, we're just in here for the advisory tonight, and um I think you should have sketched the show before we're, proposing um seven lots um and we will um actually, we saw the original sheet subdivision, had 25-foot lots in it right and we're widening them out to about 66 feet.

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Also um in first street we get down it just dead end right now, there's a little piece of gravel rolled in there's been cut off, so it couldn't bring.

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But what we're proposing to do is on our last lot, mod 7.

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We will put in a street to come down that hill and tie in to fill more, so you can make the loop there's been some problems at the end of fillmore, trying to turn that corner when that house is in there- um and I guess trucks will get caught in the house and stuff, but anyway, we're proposing to put a piece of street extension down between first and foremost to loop it up together.

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Obviously, I guess there's a lot of clearing. That'll have to be done. Is there a lot of field work to be done? There.

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All right any of the older structures they are going to be taken down.

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Are any of the older buildings there off the fillmore island? Is that anything to be taken down.

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God I wish we wouldn't yeah, because that's not in our plan. This probably does not own any of that. Okay, I didn't know especially a couple down there on first street without.

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Actually come in, they might put a basement garage in because fillmore was like 45 foot in flood, but first street's about 45 foot above field yeah. So.

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But you put a garage right. You.

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It yeah, like they may put a driving garage in bottom and, uh if you put flood vents in, if they kept it all up on field, they wouldn't have to have any flood insurance. At.

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So some alley continue to be there or a little bit we'll would end right there at the property line. Do what now well, the fellow allied with that stop right there at the far east side of the planet,.

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Early, it was planted clear.

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By congress.

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And so we'll stay there and.

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Then um there is another street that runs all the way from long drive, clear up to 56. That was never.

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The 60 foot up through looks like it goes to about 10 26, that's park avenue at first. There um is fine, but then it narrows down to 20 foot right away there, and then the alley you're proposing to connect fill more alley with first is also only 20 foot. Is that wide enough for a fire apparatus to make that turn.

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Actually, fillmore street's only 14 foot.

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Well, I'm talking about the alley dirt you're yeah, it's being proposed.

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Yes, a fire truck will be able to make the turn now.

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A ladder truck might have a little.

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That's that's it, but we don't worry about.

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And you put the street in the city space, it is right. You put the.

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But other than that, yes, the other part, would be the city yeah.

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Are you proposing a sidewalk also along first street.

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Yeah, because I know all the other new subdivisions around town have a sidewalk is that in our is.

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That in our sun division ordinance, yes,.

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You said it was a platinum subdivision at one time with 25 footlocks.

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It was a planted subdivision at one time with a 25 foot loss. The john sheets edition it was planted in 1854, right and sean chiefs. Didn't worry too much about science, but that and then the brush field is the two of the lights are in on the east end and they were planted in 1887..

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So basically you're you're changing a subdivision. It's still a subdivision.

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I guess well, our these are south of the sheets and field edition is. Is this considered part of those editions or is this something separate.

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Well, we could, we can do it a couple ways. We would say we're combining lots.

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Well, are the lots that you are creating out of the extra blocks? Are they part of what had been planted in brush field and john sheep's edition, or is this separate yeah.

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They were all part of that original sub food, we're just combining together them bigger locks.

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Well, as they say as they exist, there's five parcels there announcing correct. So it's a.

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Really well, they were yeah, yeah al huntington had it one time and he bought it in five pluses and he sold within five parcels. But originally there were about.

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Anyway, I assume- because you don't intend to put sidewalks in which I understand completely, because there's sidewalking over there, uh but I guess you'd have to ask for a variance on to.

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um I'd worry about the drainage as well, that lack of curbs there taking away the.

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House there.

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Taking away the natural drainage, so that's up to the engineers.

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Yeah, I don't think would be a problem with drainage between those lots with that.

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Well, what what would have soaked into the ground there? What's now, these perhaps going south of gilmore into those fields and private properties there. Another question is fire suppression, fire hydrants? Are there any servicing.

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There is a fire- I don't just not 75 foot west of this property now and the city has a main on the north side of the 60 foot, right away, upon drive coming down on 56 and turns, and there's a fireplace just like say about 100 foot passed on.

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The uh the street frontage uh adequate, that's a street frontage of each lot. Does it meet the criteria of the subdivision, ordinance.

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uh From downtown yeah I mean they're under historic district.

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It doesn't it doesn't. I couldn't find it in the ordnance, brian. I think it's a pretty small premium.

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Do the owners intend to build the homes on the lots or are they simply deciding to resell?

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Are the owners intending to build the homes on the lots? Are they subdividing to strictly resell the parcels.

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No, they tend to rebuild spots on the house, we're going to probably do some of both we'll build some sauce on.

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This developer's approval, you know, be similar, like the house down on maine and maybe a little bit larger. Okay.

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Very similar to what you have there, whether you're.

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That's going to be a basement underneath.

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The living quarters to be.

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Above the flood plain.

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Then you'll have a house above that you know: okay, we're able to get those combinations in there because I think well, I got to get about three foot above filming one or four get out of flood so we'd be you know, we'll come off, fill more ways and drive bay. The same way we'll come off the first street with the driveway we'd. Probably come 20 30 feet off each street actually and get a house in there. You know so they're not going to be crammed up on.

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First we're not going to be crammed up on fillmore.

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Is there a way to get a sidewalk in there tonight, because you guys were able to do.

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Looked at that yeah, okay, I'm sure you could yeah, I'm sure, probably the way to get in there. You know the third one.

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Yeah, it should have been improved and cleaned up a lot of areas through there. I actually should be pretty good building watch with it. You know river view things down. That's it's! Actually, it's a plus five.

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I do agree that it's going to be a nice addition to east end of mass and clean it up, but as a property owner. My concerns are, first of all, I already have a problem with traffic there's a 90 degree 90 degree bend behind my house where fillmore street goes down to blonde drive and there's a lot of traffic flow through there, because it's a public street, I'm working currently with tony hammock, and it just happened to happen at the same time as this.

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Since the last time someone hit my house, I had to have engineer engineering up, structural engineers come and evaluate it, and it was some pretty bad damage and it's been the third time it's been hit. I've almost hit people backing out of my carport because it goes right straight onto gilmore street. um My kids have almost been hit.

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My dogs is pretty dangerous down there, so I'm working with with tony casper to get that vacated on that concern, so the traffic I'm afraid the traffic flow will increase because as people become more curious as to what's going on they're going to be, you know, there's going to be a lot more traffic flow and it's right now, it's not a one way: it's not a two-way, um it's just it's a free-for-all and there's no room for a two-way there's, barely room for one car to get through there.

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So hopefully, when that comes up, we'll get some good support on that, but traffic's a concern.

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The other concern is the flooding I own, that field, that's below that property and it already has a very low spot and when the river gets up to the campground, it flows the road and floods into my field already, and it holds water for long periods of time.

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But I think it's going to cause the road to flood, even sooner and in worse conditions than it does now, because that water has nowhere to go so I'm concerned about that um and finally, I'm concerned about the exact footage on fillmore street: that's intended to be used for this project, because um I did, I don't know if the property they're completely accurate, they're on file. I've heard that you know some of these gis cards are incorrect or not accurate.

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So I don't know how correct they are, but it comes very close to um what I could figure out was about 387 feet along fillmore street that's available, and it looks like to do those seven lots: a 12 foot, easton and 20 foot roadway. It would take 470 feet, but I can't read some of these dimensions, so I try to be conservative, so I would just like to have that re-evaluated to make sure we understand um where that's going to come through.

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It looks like my driveway in the front because we intentionally we just have a basketball goal there until the last uh took it out. um It was in the concrete steel voltage, basketball pulling took it completely out. So anyway, um we we had a goal there, so it looks like a basketball goal.

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It looks like a driveway when you approach from vaughan drive, um so we don't a lot of people turn around there, but a lot of people will just go on around anyway, just to see and it's even worse when the water is up and then there's no way out and it becomes a massive tear of everything back there right so anyway,.

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Personal concerns um I would like to share those with you honestly.

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What was your address again.

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10 30 6 30.

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Okay, so you're just just east of these lots they proposed, but.

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On on the south side,.

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I knew where it was. I just didn't know what was in relationship to these.

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Hi, I'm marianne bennett and we have a place down on the river in front of these that are going to be built. um I don't know the exact address, that's what it's at, where the greenhouse on stocks. I have a question about um where they want to put the street. Is this street going to go on their property because we also have some more property now at that end, and I'm curious to see where that road is going to go? Is that going to go on their property? Are they going to try to.

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It okay and then, with the uh I understand that they're trying to wipe filmora street, have you heard anything about that.

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White and that.

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Okay, so another question I have has this already been laid out like in with the city engineers and things like that, or it's just just the very step hey. I was curious about that. Also the running off of the water I'm also concerned about that is that going to have more drainage, ditches or how.

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Going to control all that water coming down, everything tells.

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Us the engineers look at the plan and they are sure that adjoining property owners that won't be any worse than what it is. It may not be any better, but it won't be any worse uh and sometimes like you've. Seen on the hilltop, I mean I've seen them have to have retention bombs, which I don't like.

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But the engineer does that.

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Okay, so will we be notified after.

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Any meeting we have here you'll be numbered. I.

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Mean as far as the plans.

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Yeah, the next.

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Anyone else to.

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Right next to this property and with some of the markings down there and everything my money's there, so I don't know where the surveying is and I'd like to see more of that on where it's at and what it is. But I do own a 50 by 105 feet long in there. Okay.

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So I'm sure probably tony can probably you have a survey on it that you told me the problem.

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They were there was that right, yeah, a lot of those were put in there about 35 years ago, and fans put them in.

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So you still got to put that in or still got to put, I guess flags or something where you're right there there's pink flags down there, my name on it. Okay,.

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They're already there that's what I'm saying, I can't find my life.

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That pen to me appears to be the start of her lot and not the end of their lot and that's the concern over. What's actually really where the road's going to be, and it could, the pen would have been there because susan's mother would have made sure there was one there.

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Just the outs out of remember comes the outer perimeter corner yeah. We didn't do any interiors right, so those those corner pins should be there.

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But we haven't got that far yet.

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All the lots you're talking about yeah.

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You know the worse she's talking about yeah, I know where she's talking about, but that's I mean we like to say we found the one up on the old first street or high street. It was one time.

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Yeah well, we found uh I did set that southeast corner okay, because we couldn't find a pen and metal detector out there, but you found the south west pillar down the southwest yeah. Then you can pull your footage off of that.

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So my property was surveyed in 2015 and I do there's a property state and um the bennett's own 70 feet on fillmore street side from my property line to susan's property, mine and then susan owns another 50 feet. So that's a total of 120 feet from my property and that stink is inside that it's about 50 feet inside that area. So that's why I'm just concerned you want to make sure that everything's correct.

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Obviously, that might be a little deeper than this board's going to get into, but but you'll have to we'll find out or somebody again we'll find out.

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We're going to have susan slotts survey because she's going to transfer that lot to me. Okay, so we're going to have it.

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Surprisingly, that'd.

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Be the first place to start yeah, yeah, okay, anyone else in the audience.

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Well, there's one luxury: according to the east end of that property, we're about 220 or 250 from sandy's house. So I mean we're a good place to wait for her house right. We do join her properly right, we're a good way from that house.

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Her house is probably.

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Shouldn't have.

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You know where susan's talking.

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She is okay and she's, asking she's. Probably susan, do you know where susan's talking about? I don't know. I don't know.

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I don't know, I know what we're saying. She's got a lot more.

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Any other questions.

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Yes, it's been put up twice and it keeps getting pulled back down because it's just about a foot east of the house. It's really close and it's just about a foot and a half off the water.

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Down behind the other house on fillmore street, we found those things in there too. That's.

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Your product yeah, I saw the two behind the one on fillmore, but I never saw one marked up on first there. So.

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Well, it was marked, but it it disappeared. What next time I went by there, so I thought just leave her up.

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Okay, any other questions, the audience.

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This is just an advisory, so we have no vote on our advisor so we'll go into any new or old business.

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