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City of Madison Plan Commission- May 10, 2021
A
C
D
A
First,
application
tonight
is
warren
watson.
The
petition
to
emit
the
final
plaque
has
to
combine
I'm
not
going
to
read
the
parcel
numbers
of
three
parcels:
the
applicant
plans
on
building
a
30
by
30
foot
pole
bond
on
the
combined
lots
of
31,
south
31
plus
south
and
40
south
oak
drive
zone
residential
r4
wayne.
We
need
to
get
you
to
come
forward
if
you
could
and
those
are
pretty
self-explanatory,
but
just
tell
us
what
your
need
your
name
and
address
and
tell
us
what
you're
doing
there.
G
Forget
thirty-one
south
oak
drive
had
over
indiana.
D
I
move
to
approve
mr
watson's
application
as
submitted.
D
B
A
Linear
drives
on
the
general
business
someone
here
to
represent,
get
you
a
coach
for
you
just
give
us
your
name
and
address,
and
my
name
is
theo.
I'm
part
owner
right,
gables
mentioned
okay
and
basically
it's
pretty
again
very
self-explanatory
and
first
application.
I
ever
seen
by
the
quarter
of
an
inch.
A
The
next
application
is
bar
development,
llc,
a
rezoning
application
in
order
to
change
the
proposed
address
from
heavy
manufacturing
m2
zone
to
low
density,
residential
r4
zoning
to
low
density.
Our
horizon,
okay
and
at
48
west
touches
some
lanes
on
heavy
manufacturing,
m2
and
low
density
residential
r4
and
who
is
here
to
represent
them.
H
I
H
That's
that's
the
background.
The
reason
for
the
request,
the
property
itself
spans
two
sections,
and
I,
if
I
had
to
guess
I
would
I
would
say
that
the
city
when
they
did
their
zoning
ordinance,
would
have
taken
the
entirety.
H
One
section
as
an
m2
and
the
other
section
is
an
r4
and
r4
would
have
been
immediately
adjacent
to
ottoman
park
and
it
really
described
to
you
where
it
is,
but
the
property
actually
sits
at
the
northern
extent
of
cragmont
street
if
you're
on
clifty
drive-
and
you
turn
right
there,
where
the
cvs
is
that
city
about
20
years
ago,
extended
the
craigmont
street
north
and
where
it
intersects
with
hutchinson
lane.
I
think,
there's
a
government
office
there
at
the
intersection.
H
This
is
the
property
immediately
on
the
north
side
there
and
craig
on
the
street
like
many
streets,
these
older
streets
would
run
along
the
section
line
and
so
that
that
explains
why
why
the
property
or
actually
I
don't,
really
know
why
the
property
lies
in
two
sections
like
that,
but
that's
what
it
is.
H
So
as
a
consequence
of
that,
the
western
side
of
the
western
half
the
property
is
zone.
M2,
that's
the
side.
That's
immediately
adjacent
to
the
city's
industrial
park
and
m2
is
industrial.
I
believe
that's
correct
and
the
other
side
is
r4
and
mr
russell
is
proposing
to
develop
the
entirety
of
the
property
as
a
residential
subdivision
very
similar
to
ottoman
park,
which
adjoins
it
immediately
to
the
east.
A
H
A
We
have
another
application
which
I
guess
we'll
talk
about
further.
This
is
just
rezoning.
So
at
this
point,
is
there
any
question
from
the
board
on
the
resume.
F
So
item
three
is
all
we're
looking
at
right
now:
yes,
okay,
it's
going
to
be
a
separate
discussion.
That's
correct!
Okay!
So.
G
Mr
ellis,
the
the
m2
piece
of
this
is
that
an
entire
parcel
there
or
are
you,
are
we?
Will
we
be
splitting
a
lot
to
make
that
towards
this
piece
of
property?
He
owns
the
whole
thing
he
owns.
The
entire
thing
it
is
one
of
these
m2
is
on
stands
on
its
own
right.
H
No,
no!
That's!
What's
a
little
bit
unusual
about
it,
it
is
1d
to
one
property:
oh
yeah,
okay,
so
yeah.
A
K
B
L
N
Hi,
my
name
is
ruth
shipman,
so
you're
saying
they're
not
going
to
annex
the
audubon
park
area
into
the
city
of
madison
once
they
get
this
all
done.
A
N
A
A
It's
our
for
anything,
that's
that's
acceptable.
In
r4,
some
modular
homes
are
acceptable
in
our
floor,
so
but
I
mean
as
far
as
house
trailers,
you
know
I
mean
single
wives.
No,
I
can't
think
of
anything
else
that
you
know
it's
our
four
and
the
price.
It's
going
to
cost
to
put
this
in
there,
I'm
sure
they.
G
Man
that
will
be
written
into
the
covenant
of
the
platt
plan
when
it's
completed
yeah,
so
maybe
mr
ellis
can
can
enlighten
us
there.
If
you
want
to
let
him
elaborate
on
that
at
this
point
there
are
there's
no
preliminary
or
approved
platform
subdivision,
so
we
don't
really
know
what
the
covenants
are
going
to
say,
but
when
it's
finished
it
will
state
what
the
size
of
the
homes
need
to
be
a
minimum
and
whether
they
can
have
modular
manufactured
homes
on
them
or
whatever
that'll
be
stated
in
the
covenants.
Okay,.
A
A
N
Okay,
now
at
the
end
of
autodyne
park
at
the
very
back
section
and
if
you've
got
a
picture
there,
that
that
road
is
going
to
be
continued
into
the
new
subdivision.
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
that.
That's
way
past
my
house,
but
the
road
that
goes.
We
call
it
cbs,
but
it's
craigmont
street
that
goes
at
dead
ends
there
to
the
t
is
that
road
gonna
go
like
straight
and
you're
gonna,
eventually
hook
that
into
dawson
smith.
A
E
F
That
it
looks
like
if
you
tried
to
take
craigmont
street
north
you'd,
have
to
a
food
drainage
pond.
O
H
That
is
not
currently
planned.
I
want
to
say
that
we're
here
for
an
advisory
plan,
so
all
of
this
is
actually
subject
to
change.
N
Is
this
a
holding
plan
holding
fire.
N
E
M
N
Down
the
street
down
hutchinson
lane
by
our
big
sangos
is
that
big
holding
pond
that
got
put
there
several
years
ago
and
the
only
thing
they
have
up
right
now
is
no
trespassing
signs.
We
have
repeatedly
asked
for
events
to
go
around
that
now.
They've,
let
cat
tails
and
everything
grow
up
around
that.
So
you
can't
see
the
pond
very
well
and.
N
D
A
E
O
Represent
christian
academy
madison
at
477,
west
hutchinson,
lane
madison
indiana
not
here
tonight
to
really
support
or
oppose
this
more
just
trying
to
gain
a
little
bit
of
information,
and
so
I
was
wondering
if
perhaps
mr
ellis
might
be
comfortable
again,
just
understanding
a
little
bit
more
of
the
plan.
Generally,
we
have
a
number
of
students
coming
in
and
out
of
there
see.
This
generally
is
a
good
development,
but
a
couple
questions.
O
Perhaps
what
covenants
and
restrictions
they
might
expect
how
many
units
they
might
have
planned
houses
per
lot
square
footage
just
some
general
questions
like
that,
and
so
I
might
ask
if
mr
ellis
might
be
comfortable.
I'm
saying
all
of
the
questions
are
directed
to
the
board,
but
on
the
notice
it
simply
says
changing
for
subdivision.
So
having
a
little
more
information
will
be
helpful.
A
F
My
name
is
jason
neely,
my
wife
amanda
and
I
live
at
3.
3575
north
quail
drive
it's
the
very
last
house
on
the
left
on
quail
drive,
so
it
basically
is
right
on
the
boundary
and
our
concern
of
well.
F
I
have
a
couple
too,
but
the
drainage
there
as
it
stands
right
now
is
real
bad,
so,
especially
in
the
spring
and
I've
seen
the
the
water
there
get
almost
up
to
my
knees
right
and
it
does,
while
it
does
eventually
go
down,
sometimes
takes
a
while
so
from
the
the
email
that
we
got
it
had
the
map
and
the
proposed
streets
and
everything
that
we're
going
to
go
through
and.
E
F
We
were
wondering
how
if
there
was
going
to
be
anything
at
all,
a
dress
as
far
as
like
a
storm
drain,
or
something
like
that,
because
I
just
kind
of
envisioned
that
if
there
was
a
streak
to
go
all
the
way
through
that
it
would
kind
of
be
a
kind
of
a
dead
right.
So
just
the
way
it
looked,
because
that.
A
So
let
me
get
you
to
come
back
up
then
and
we'll
go
over
this
right
now,
let's
get
past
zoning
and
we'll
go
into
advisory,
which
is
a
legal
question,
but
I
mean
it
just
it's
the
next
step.
So
if
we
could
get
you
to
wait,
just
a
couple
minutes.
Okay,
all
right,
any
question,
more
questions
on
the
zone.
A
F
A
Craft,
yes,
okay.
The
next
item
on
the
agenda
tonight
is
bar
development
and
advisory
hearing
application
on
the
parcel
at
448
west
hutchinson
lane
for
the
development
of
112
watt
subdivision
total
average
44.87,
and
I
will
explain
an
advisory.
There
isn't
a
vote
on
it
tonight.
The
vote
will
come
later
at
a
5,
but
we'll
attempt
to
answer
all
the
questions
we
can
but
again
when
it's
over
there
is
not
a
vote
tonight
so
peter
you
want
to
come
forward
again.
H
Yes,
yeah
we're
here
proposing
to
develop
the
property
to
describe
just
a
minute
ago
with
it
with
the
zoning
application.
It
is
just
I
believe
you
just
stated
just
a
bit
over
44
acres.
The
zoning
will
hopefully
be
40
r4
over
the
entire
subdivision.
I
mean
we
appreciate
you
taking
action
on
that
tonight.
H
H
Try
this,
I
don't
want
to
repeat
myself
the
the
property
the
size
of
the
locks
will
be
roughly
very
similar
to
the
loss
that
you
see
in
ottoman
or
at
least
what
we're
proposing
what
you
see
in
ottoman
park
right
now,
auburn
park,
I
think,
when
I
did,
the
arithmetic
is
about
42
acres.
I
got
that
just
by
sizing
it
from
the
from
the
county
gis
and
I
believe
that
we're
132.
H
What
what
we're
proposing
is
approximately
112
watts
on
44
acres,
so
it's
slightly
less
than
an
approximate.
H
H
And
so
there
is
some
portion
of
the
property
that
would
actually
be
reserved
for
stormwater
facilities.
Now
what
I?
What
I
want
to
say
when
I,
when
we
present
the
flat,
is
this,
is
not
an
exact
subdivision
layout,
but
really
coming
before
you.
We
were
as
interested
in
getting
the
rezoning
portion
of
the
project
going
as
as
anything
right,
because
that
sometimes
can
be
fairly
involved.
H
A
H
Yes,
the
proposal
is
really
for
small
starter
homes
and
these
aren't
going
to
be
really,
I
think,
looking
at
the
type
of
housing
that
you
have
in
in
ottoman
park.
I
will
not
be
too
far
from
that
in
talking
to
mr
russell,
what
he's
really
interested
and
excited
about
his
opportunity
to
get
houses
for
younger
people
in
the
market
and
when
we
look
at
this
particular
location
there
is,
I
think
the
city
has
already
designated
a
bike
lane
right
there,
there's
craigmont
street,
which
gives
you
really
good
connection
to
the
hilltop.
H
And
if
you
really
look
at
the
area
there,
it's
possible
to
get
to
a
really
large
percentage
of
the
industry
in
the
area
without
crossing
any
of
the
state
highways
which
I
think
is
really
unique.
But
of
course
that's
because
we're
directly
adjacent
to
the
industrial
park
there,
but
it
really
has
potential.
I
think
I
I
don't
see
too
many
properties
in
the
madison
area
that
really
fit
this
nicely.
H
I
mean
we're
looking
at
it,
we're
looking
at
the
potential
of
a
property
that
can
that
can
produce
houses
and
that
where
you
don't
necessarily
need
to
be
driving
back
and
forth,
I
think
people
probably
will.
But
I
mean
there
is
a
potential
if
you're
looking
forward
20
years
in
the
future,
when
when
there
are
more
bike
lanes
and
and
sidewalks
and
and
potential
development
on
craigmont
street,
you
might
explain.
A
Basically,
we
assure
the
neighbors
that
that
their
drainage
will
be
hopefully
better,
but
no
worse,
I
guess
is
the
best
way
to
say
it,
but
the
engineers,
that's
the
reason.
You'll
you
see
this
drainage
bond
is
you
know,
years
ago
they
didn't
they
weren't
near
as
strict
on
working
on
drains,
and
you
know
basically
he's
eliminating
40
or
50
lots
just
just
to
relate
just
to
put
in
a
drainage
box
which
you
know
meets,
meets
the
very.
H
H
When
I
did
this,
when
I
did
this
this
plant,
I
really
wanted
to
come
up
with
a
concept
that
would
convey
to
the
board
what
it
is
that
we're
proposing,
but
also
convey
to
the
owner,
what's
reasonably
possible
on
the
property,
but
it
has
to.
H
Well,
I
believe
that
the
city
is
actually
mandated
by
the
federal
government.
H
I'm
not
right,
I'm
going
to
be
speaking
out
of
turn
now,
but
the
city
has
requirements
in
terms
of
with
respect
to
stormwater
and
the
city's
mandated
to
meet
those
requirements,
and
so
when
I
was
talking
to,
I
was
talking
to
the
city
and
utilities
at
brian
jackson
earlier,
and
I
believe
the
procedure
in
any
prior
subdivisions
I've
been
involved
with
is
that
the
city
actually
hires
an
engineer
who
goes
and
checks
that
we,
our
prepared
stormwater
plan,
actually
meets
the
city's
mandated
requirements
right
and,
and
what
we
will
be
required
to
do
is
to
have
a
plan
that
does
not.
H
H
Yes,
I
I,
I
believe
and
brian
correct
me,
if
I'm
not,
if
I'm,
if
I'm
incorrect,
but
I
believe
that
we
will
come
back
to
you
with
construction
plans
and
that's
when
we
will
go
through
the
entire
process,
we'll
meet
with
the
city
and
ask
for
the
city's
city
utility
superintendents
sign
off
on
utilities.
H
H
H
We're
required
to
get
permitting
for
all
utilities
the
water
and
sewer
through
indiana
department
of
environmental
management.
If
there
is
any-
and
there
is
a
small
creek
that
goes
through
here-
if
we
do
any
work
that
either
adds
or
detracts
from
the
fill
in
that
particular
area,
I
believe
that
will
be
considered
a.
H
Water
of
the
united
states,
which
is
regulated
also
by
actually
dnr
in
that
particular
case,
and
we
will
be
required
to
get.
I
believe
this
is
401
for
that
section,
401
and
if
there
are
any
wetlands
in
the
area,
there'll
be
a
404
permit
required.
I
believe
that's
what
it
is
and
we're
also
required
to
file
an
erosion
control
plan.
H
So
there's
it's
there's,
there's
actually
a
significant
amount
of
regulatory
loopholes
that
or
regulatory
hoops
that
we
need
to
jump
through
independent
of
the
planned
commission
again.
A
D
At
this
point,
the
the
area
set
aside
for
stormwater
detention-
what's
the
anchorage
that's
proposed,
he.
H
H
That's
that's,
that's
quite
a
bit
of
ground
there.
It
could
be
as
much
as
eight
acres
and
to
be
really
honest,
we
may
ask
to
develop
some
of
that
area.
H
I
specifically
accepted
the
farmstead
there
and
I
think
the
house
is
in
good
condition,
but
in
in
talking
to
mr
russell
that
some
of
those
those
barns
there
might
be
better
developed
as
lots.
F
What
I'm
saying
I
don't
miss
a
shipment.
She
had
a
concern
too,
and
here
in
the
hilltop
I
don't
call
walmart.
We
actually
asked
them
to
put
in
an
offense
around
the
pond
just
for
the
safety
part
of
it
and
with
younger
families
with
kids.
I
think
that
should
be
something
that
maybe
you
should
think
about
for
the
night
handling
fence
around
it.
Just
for
the
safety
part
of
the
kids.
H
H
A
A
M
E
M
H
I
I
agree
with
you:
one
potential
solution
would
be
to
take
the
detention
this
is,
I
say,
one
of
the
things
we've
been
considering
and
actually
split
it
throughout
the
subdivision.
H
Instead
of
having
a
large
pond
there,
we
had
initially
talked
about
having
kind
of
a
water
feature
as
you
came
in
drove
into
the
subdivision.
Sometimes
that
can
be
attractive,
but
I
think
one
of
the
reasons
we're
here
tonight
is
to
get
input
right.
I
do
I
do.
D
A
H
A
Okay,
the
next
item
on
the
agenda
tonight
anybody's
welcome
to
leave
if
you
don't
want
to
listen
to
the
rest
of
the
agenda.
But
the
next
item
is
chris
and
gina
lynn.
A
petition
to
amend
the
final
flat
has
to
combine
two
parcels
into
one
parcel
plans
on
building
a
garage
on
the
combined
lots
of
214
and
216
west
executive
second
zone
historic
district.
President.
A
P
A
Okay,
we
can
get
you
basically
it's
a
proposed
to
combine
the
two
lots
behind
the
house.
P
P
K
A
Okay,
first
I'll
get
questions
on
board.
Then
I'll,
let
you
come
up
speak
here
in
just
a
second
okay,
any
questions
from
the
board.
F
J
J
States
that
it
is
simply
a
single-family
presence,
that's
that's
their
intent
on
combining
the
two
because
they
purchased
two
separate
parcels,
two
separate
structures
and
they're
combined
into
one,
so
the
garage
and
small
apartment
unit-
that's
part
of
that
is
all
just
for
for
their
own
family
use
and
so
they're
just
to
explain
briefly
their
they're
moving
here
from
out
of
town,
and
so
their
hope
is
to
push
on
the
garage
first
and
they
can
stay
there,
while
the
main
restoration
of
the
house
continues.
So,
yes,.
J
Yes
again,
that's
that's
what
they're
trying
to
do
so
really.
The
combination
of
two
parcels
is
to
just
to
build
this
garage
because
it
sits
straight
with
otherwise
straddle
down
property
line,
but
also,
I
I
guess
in
combination
they're
they're,
combining
the
two,
the.
J
The
garage
doors
face
the
north
toward
that
comfort
station
for
the
back
side
of
the
conversation
and
then
then
there's
a
private
on
the
west
and
the
north
on
the
south
side
and
their
intent
on
the
garage
is
to
put
up
a
put
up
a
privacy
fence
eventually,
so
they
have
a
bit
of
a
courtyard
space
between
the
garage
and
the
house
itself.
D
Okay,
nicole,
what
were
the,
what
was
the
size
of
the
garage.
K
J
While
she's
looking
for
that
specific
to
the
size,
the
the
garage
will
meet
all
of
the
current
set
packs
on
the
east
and
west
side
as
far
as
the
setbacks
that
are
required
today
currently
and
the
garage
will
also
sit
off
of
the
alley.
J
G
J
A
Okay,
mr
harper,
you
want
to
give
us
your
or
you
would
you
rather
just
I'd,
read
your
letter
or.
I
I
Two
of
the
parcels
were
combined
from
the
property
that
we
owned
with
a
property
that,
at
the
time,
jim
crowed
on
its
part,
he
subsequently
sold
to
the
new
owners,
but
as
part
of
that
deal,
which
was
actually
a
deal
between
not
only
him
and
I,
but
also
some
other
members
of
the
neighbors
in
the
community,
we
had
an
easement
and
a
restriction.
I
I
And
aside
from
that,
there
was
also
a
deed
restriction.
You
know
as
part
of
the
sale
of
the
property
within
the
restriction
that
214
could
no
longer
be
a
three
unit,
rental
which
it
was
before.
Actually,
both
214
and
216
were
both
three
unit
rounds.
There
would
now
have
to
be
a
single
family,
owner-occupied
residence.
I
In
fact,
it
was
well-known
that
was
the
deep
restriction
on
the
property,
so
when
coming
before
the
commission,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
agreement
that
we
put
forward
that
the
commission's
aware
of
that
that
there
was
an
easement
there
was
a
deep
restriction
and
that,
as
we
combine
these
properties,
those
things
are
still
in
place.
I
A
I
Right,
that's
the
way
we
look
at
it
because
it's
part
of
the
process,
it's
all
part
of
the
214
parcels,
they're,
going
to
build
that
on
there
now
half
of
it
might
be
sitting
on
216.
But
from
my
perspective,
it's
like
when
you
combine
the
two
you're,
basically
applying
the
restriction
across
all
of
them.
P
E
P
Property
and
through
the
cell
and
the
negotiation
with
the
realtor
that
had
owned
it
previously.
Mr
pruitt,
I
for
went
my
easement
that
went
across
the
back
of
the
property
for
easement
on
the
that
went
back
towards
the
alley.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I
don't
lose
my
easement
in
that,
and
with
that
I
also
when
I,
when
we
came
and
came
before
the
board,
and
we
talked
about
the
building
restrictions
of
that
easement.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
they're
not
building
right
on
top
of
my
easement.
P
I
don't
want
it
to
butt
up
against
that
easement
that
restricts
the
access
to
the
back
of
my
home
and
such
so
that's
kind
of
that's
my
concern
and
I'm
a
bit
extremely
concerned
since
I
wasn't
notified
of
the
size
of
this
garage
or
any
details
of
this
garage,
and
it's
also
not
posted
on
any
of
the
things
on
the
front
of
their
house,
but
they
have
the
other
stuff
posted.
It
doesn't
mention
anything
about
the
size
of
these
or
that
it
was
going
before
the
historic.
D
P
So
our
properties
have
a
walking
alley
between
them,
so
it's
basically,
the
portion
between
our
homes
is
a
concrete
area
actually
and
so
that
actually
divides
right
down
the
middle.
My
other
concern
is
that
they're
not
fully
aware
of
these
aspects.
I
know
that
they've
had
it
surveyed
and
all
of
that,
but
just
in
the
process
of
them
having
their
home
gutted
they're,
not
really
taking
that
my.
E
P
A
P
P
P
F
F
G
J
O
G
P
B
A
C
I
don't
want
to
misspeak,
but
it's
probably
approximately
27
by
42,
but
I
can
get
you
exactly.