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Description
Minneapolis Health, Environment & Community Engagement Committee Meeting
A
Good
afternoon,
everyone
I'm
going
to
call
to
order
this
meeting
of
the
health
environment
and
community
engagement
committee.
My
name
is
cam
gordon,
I'm,
the
chair
of
this
committee
and
today,
I'm
joined
with
by
council
members
andrew
johnson,
jacob
frye
elizabeth
clinton,
alan
drakano
and
lisa
benson
welcome
everybody.
There
is
additional
seating
in
room
319
where
the
proceedings
will
be
broadcast.
A
We
have
four
items
on
our
agenda
and
I'm
also
going
to
be
walking
in
a
fifth
item
which
will
be
I'll
move
on
consent
and
first,
though,
we're
gonna
before
our
consent
agenda.
I
think
we'll
take
our
our
first
item.
Our
public
hearing,
which
is
on
the
minnesota
clean
indoor
air
act,
ordinance
amendment.
A
B
B
So
you've
already
gone
on
record
for
that
in
may,
minnesota
did
pass
a
law
prohibiting
use
of
e-cigarettes
in
a
few
venues,
not
as
broad
as
the
freedom
to
breathe
act
applies,
but
they
are
banned
in
schools.
Healthcare
facilities
licensed
child
cares.
Government
buildings,
including
the
city
hall,
university
of
minnesota
and
minsky
schools
in
july,
this
committee
heard
from
the
youth
congress
recommending
and
they
recommended
laws
to
prohibit
e-cigarettes
use
where
cigarette
smoking
is
banned.
B
B
B
B
B
So
as
we
think
ahead,
once
you
have
considered
this
ordinance,
and
should
you
approve
it,
how
will
enforcement
be
accomplished?
It
will
be
complaint
based
just
like
the
freedom
to
breathe
act
for
minneapolis
licensed
entities.
Business
licensing
will
enforce
any
violations
within
those
entities
for
non-licensed
entities
like
hair,
salons,
retail
stores
and
work
sites.
B
The
limitations
of
this
ordinance:
what
does
it
does
not
do?
It
does
not
change
the
current
sampling
provisions.
It
does
not
prohibit
people
from
using
e-cigarettes
in
private
places
or
outdoor
public
places.
It
does
not
prohibit
indoor
use
of
cessation
devices
that
are
approved
by
the
fda,
which
does
not
include
e-cigarettes.
B
We
will
we
plan
to
have
press
releases
to
the
major
media,
notices
to
health
and
business
license
listserv,
and
then
we
have
implementation
materials
on
our
website
and
we'll
distribute
those
through.
The
list
serves
things
like
sign
templates,
instructions
for
implementing
the
law
and
tips
that
venue
owners
and
employees
can
use.
If
there's
a
violation.
D
E
D
E
I
I
believe
that
would
qualify
as
a
public
space
and
it
doesn't
change
the
enforcement
of
that
term
as
it
has
occurred
for
the
past
six
or
seven
years,
since
the
freedom
to
bereave
act
was
adopted.
So
no
changes
are
being
made
with
the
with
the
definitions
of
what
a
public
or
private
space
is.
Certainly
a
business
that
employs
individuals
would
qualify
as
a
public
space.
Okay,
so.
D
E
A
Thank
you
very
much.
I
don't
see
any
other
further
questions,
so
thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
the
report.
I
do
want
to
call
it
attention,
at
least
to
my
colleagues
here
and
others,
that
my
intention
is
to
move
a
substitute
motion
with
only
one
word
it.
You
should
have
it
in
front
of
you
and
there
are
some
copies
available
up
there,
but
it
just
has
to
do
with
when
adverse
license.
Action
will
be
taken
it.
I
added
the
word
repeated
in
front
of
violation.
A
So
it's
when
there's
repeated
violation
of
any
provision
of
this
chapter
shall
be
adequate
grounds
for
the
denial
refusal
to
renew,
revocation
or
suspension
of
a
license
or
permit
that's
the
only
change
in
what
I'm
I'm
going
to
be
moving
forward.
People
can
comment
on
that
or
anything
else
now
in
terms
of
the
public
hearing.
My
plan
is
to
alternate
between
those
who
are
opposed
and
those
who
support
that
as
they've
identified
themselves
on
the
sign-in
sheets,
we're
asking
everybody
to
keep
their
comments
down
to
two
minutes.
We
have
a
timer
over
there.
A
So
if
you
can
note
that
as
it,
it
runs
down
and
try
to
summarize
that
two
minutes,
I
would
appreciate
that
greatly.
There's
still
an
opportunity
to
sign
in
over
there,
but
as
things
move
on,
if
you've
already
heard
a
lot
of
your
arguments
and
points
being
made,
you
don't
necessarily
have
to
repeat
them.
But
you
can
just
note
that
you
are
supporting
previous
comments
and
that
might
be
helpful.
The
first
person
I
have
on
the
list
here
is
noelle,
hamill
and
noel
can
come
forward
and
the
second
first
person
will
be
gail.
F
F
F
H
H
The
prescriber's
letter,
a
trustworthy
medical
publication,
has
acknowledged
concern
about
secondhand
vapor
exposure
as
a
business
owner.
I
don't
want
my
customers,
employees
or
the
food
we
bake
to
be
exposed
to
e-cigarette
vapor.
I'm
also
concerned
as
a
mother
because
of
the
rising
popularity
of
e-cigarettes
appealing
to
children.
These
products
are
being
marketed
directly
to
children.
These
cigarettes
come
in
flavors
like
gummy,
bears
banana
split
and
bubble
gum.
H
Last
week
the
star
tribune
run
an
article
that
said
that
e-cigarettes
are
more
popular
among
teens
than
the
real
thing,
and
this
frightens
me.
I
do
not
want
to
return
to
the
days
when
smoking
in
public
was
normative.
Behavior
in
my
medical
practice,
it's
been
a
struggle
to
keep
kids
from
smoking
and
many
teenagers
see
cigarettes
as
safe
to
use
because
they're,
not
real
cigarettes,
allowing
e-cigarette,
vaping
use
in
public
places,
visibly
shows
children
in
our
community
that
it
is
safe
and
is
considered
an
okay
behavior.
H
I
I
just
came
to
thank
you
guys
for
letting
me
testify,
and
I
started
smoking
about
11
and
a
half
well
12
and
a
half
years
ago
now,
while
I
was
in
service
now,
when
I
was
in
the
service
in
afghanistan,
I
was
given
the
opportunity
to
have
free
cigarettes
during
that
time.
Under
the
pressures
and
the
stress
of
being
in
the
military
I
caved
in.
I
started
smoking
quite
regularly.
I
I
None
of
that
work.
I
tried
cold
turkey.
I
tried
the
patches,
I
tried
the
loss
and
just
didn't
work.
I
decided
that
I
was
open
to
willing
to
change
with
anything
that
was
available
at
that
time.
E-Cigarettes
were
becoming
popular
and
for
about
a
year
I
decided
that
I
would
try
it
since
that
time.
I've
been
smoke
free
for
16
months
now.
I
started
out
at
35
milligrams
of
nicotine
and
now
I'm
down
to
approximately
six
on
a
good
day.
I
So
I
think
when
it
comes
to
banning
e-cigarettes
something
we
don't
really
know
about,
I
think
that
we
should
really
consider
well
the
fact
that
we'd
be
put
out
with
the
smokers
and
I'd
like
a
good
example.
I
go
to
the
va.
They
have
a
smoking
shack
there,
because
e-cigarettes
are
banned
there.
I
have
to
go
and
sit
out
there
with
the
severity
or
the
cigarette
users
and
inhale
secondhand
smoke.
I
J
Chair,
gordon
and
council
members,
my
name
is
gina
johnson,
oh
first
2706
lowry,
minneapolis
and
my
family
owns
turi's
on
lowry,
which
is
a
restaurant
located
in
ward
4..
I
have
been
a
server
there
for
about
six
years.
I
am
testifying
today
in
favor
of
adding
e-cigarettes
to
the
minneapolis
clean
indoor
air
ordnance.
J
At
toady's
we
decided
to
prohibit
the
use
of
e-cigarettes
inside
our
restaurant.
We
did
this
in
order
to
protect
our
customers
and,
most
importantly,
our
workers.
Minnesota
law
has
already
prohibited
use
of
e-cigarettes
in
schools,
hospitals
and
government-owned
buildings.
I
believe
that
all
workers
deserve
the
same
level
of
protection.
I
know
we
are
not
alone
in
this.
A
recent
poll
shows
that
more
than
70
percent
of
people
in
minneapolis
and
st
paul
feel
that
e-cigarette
use
should
not
be
allowed
in
indoor
public
spaces.
J
A
A
We
did
have
a
suggestion
from
one
of
our
council
members
up
here
that
if
you
hear
something
that
you
like
feel
free
to
twinkle
your
support
or
raise
your
hand
and
that
way,
council
members
can
kind
of
get
an
idea
without
nodding
heads.
It
might
be
a
way
to
also
show
your
support
go
ahead.
You
can
tell
us
your
name
and
address.
K
Good
afternoon,
mr
mr
chair,
council
members,
my
name
is
jason
downing,
I'm
a
resident
of
ward
13
and
a
former
pack
a
day
smoking
quit
having
quit
over
one
year
ago,
using
vapor
products.
There
is
a
wealth
of
research
already
completed
on
vapor
products,
and
one
thing
is
clear:
there
is
virtually
no
risk
in
secondhand
exposure.
K
K
K
K
K
K
L
L
The
twin
cities,
medical
society,
has
long
been
involved
in
advocating
for
public
policy
that
reduces
the
harms
caused
by
tobacco
and
nicotine,
I
might
add,
including
policies
aimed
at
youth,
tobacco
prevention
and
policies
that
protect
our
clean
indoor
air.
We
feel
strongly
that
the
ordinance
you
are
considering
today
to
prohibit
the
use
of
electronic
cigarettes
where
conventional
smoking
is
banned
will
help
achieve
both
of
these
objectives.
L
Electronic
cigarettes,
which
are
heavily
promoted
by
the
tobacco
industry,
are
chipping
away
at
tobacco
prevention
efforts
that
have
resulted
in
fewer
kids,
falling
victim
to
a
lifetime
of
nicotine
addiction
and
fewer
of
our
hospitality
workers
facing
the
health
consequences
of
secondhand
smoke.
Exposure.
L
Just
this
morning
I
was
talking
to
a
colleague
who
was
complaining
that
her
14
year
old
son
is
saying
that
most
of
his
friends
are
using
these
e-cigarettes.
Many
of
them
think
it's
safe.
Yet
one
e-cigarette
can
contain
as
much
nicotine
as
two
packs
of
cigarettes
and
for
some
people
who
are
claimed
to
have
been
have
that
e-cigarettes
decrease
the
amount
of
smoking.
It's
not
always
clear.
L
Quite
frankly,
we've
waited
much
too
long
to
achieve
our
state
standard
for
clean
indoor
air.
Allowing
the
use
of
electronic
cigarettes
indoors
is
a
substantial
step
backward
in
this
hard-won
victory.
Likewise,
we
have
worked
too
hard
to
counter
the
tobacco
industry's
insidious
efforts
to
hook
our
kids.
We
would
be
remiss
to
get
now
give
that
same
industry
free
rein
to
push
electronic
cigarettes
devices
that
are
simply
their
newest
nicotine
addiction
products.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
M
They
meant
no
smoke.
Only
water
vapor,
the
same
water
vapor
that
fog
machines
produce
at
a
lot
of
theatrical
productions
which
are
heavily
used
in
the
minneapolis
entertainment
industry.
It
leaves
no
lasting
order,
in
my
opinion,
they're
less
offensive
than
the
colognes
and
perfumes
that
a
lot
of
people
are
wearing
in
here
today.
M
M
M
All
of
these
substances
can
fund
abundantly
in
processed
foods
based
on
gas,
best
spectrometer
readings
on
the
vapor
emitted
from
electronic
nicotine
delivery
systems.
The
compounds
in
the
vapor
is
notably,
notably,
less
harmful
to
human
health
than
the
clean
air.
That
is
being
that
this
legislation
is
trying
to
protect,
and
there
are
many
other
studies
to
back
that
up.
M
So
I
asked
you
given
a
mounting
pile
of
evidence
in
scientific
research.
It's
all
pointing
to
the
ends
being
an
alternative
method
for
smokers
to
successfully
quit.
Why
is
the
city
of
minneapolis
considering
to
remove
freedoms
of
businesses
to
manage
themselves
and
telling
people
who
have
chosen
this
method
to
quit
smoking
that
they're
still
smokers
and
need
to
go
stand
outside
with
them
and
breathe
in
the
same
toxic
chemicals
from
cigarettes
that
they've
managed
to
get
away
from?
M
A
N
My
name
is
mike
tedford.
I
live
at
3932,
abbott
avenue,
south
ward,
13.,
council
members
chair
gordon,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
provide
some
information.
From
our
perspective.
I
am
an
ear
nose
and
throat
surgeon
practicing
at
abbott
northwestern
minneapolis
children's
hospital,
and
my
testimony
will
amplify
what
you
heard
from
my
colleague,
lisa
matson.
N
Specializing
in
diseases
of
the
ear,
nose
and
throat,
I
see
firsthand
the
devastating
consequences
of
tobacco
use.
I'm
the
surgeon
who
sniffs
out
a
cancerous
tongue
removes
the
adjacent
cancerous
upper
jaw.
Carves
out
the
mandible
or
the
tumor,
is
extended
and
removes
the
voice
box
of
somebody
who
has
a
cancer
as
a
result
of
smoking.
N
Unfortunately,
many
patients
think
that
electronic
cigarettes
are
a
safe
and
effective
way
to
quit.
Smoking
you've
heard
such
testimony
that
today,
this
is
simply
not
the
case.
There's
mounting
evidence
that
aerosol
produced
by
these
products
contains
ingredients
that
are
known
to
be
dangerous,
including
according
to
a
recent
journal
of
the
american
medical
association
diacetyl,
which
irreversibly
damages
tissues
in
the
lung.
Those
tissues,
the
same
are
the
ones
I
manage
in
the
upper
digestive
tract.
N
N
A
G
G
Enough
that
I
drove
over
100
miles
this
morning
to
make
sure
I
could
address
you
folks,
I
got
into
this
business
because
my
wife
of
20
years
has
smoked
for
over
35
and
has
tried
all
of
the
conventional
ways
to
quit
smoking
nothing
had
worked.
She
got
an
electronic
cigarette
as
a
gift
way
before
I
opened
a
store
and
after
a
year's
worth
of
use
and
her
not
having
one
cigarette,
I
realized
that
this
was
actually
a
really
good
thing.
Did
my
studies,
europe
is
so
far
ahead
of
the
us.
G
It's
it's
it's
they're
decades
ahead.
There's
number
a
number
of
studies
in
europe
that
have
all
shown
that
there
is
no
harmful
side
effects.
Now
I
shouldn't
say
side
effects
to
second-hand
smoke
from
an
electronic
cigarette.
Okay,
when
we
opened
our
business,
we
had
many
many
people
coming
in
and
wanting
to
have
an
alternative
to
smoking.
G
I
don't
think
you'll
find
anybody
in
our
group
that
doesn't
like
that
doesn't
oppose
tobacco
cigarettes
any
more
than
we
do.
Smoking
is
harmful
to
your
health
vaping.
I
don't
think
has
been
proven
that
it
is
okay
and
what
they're
asking
for
with
a
lot
of
testimony
without
anything,
really
that
I've
seen
any
studies
done,
is
to
ask
you
to
rule
and
change
laws
on
what
they
think.
Okay,
don't
don't
think
that's
a
a
good
practice,
but
I
could
be
wrong
there.
G
That's
about
all
I
have
for
you
folks.
I
am
a
non-smoker
by
the
way
and
I
have
no
problems
with
electronic
cigarettes.
I
think
bars
and
restaurants
and
public
places
should
should
have
the
voice
and
if
they
do
not
wish
you
to
smoke
in
there,
an
electronic
cigarette
by
all
means.
I
don't
think,
there's
anybody
that
would
disobey
that.
So
we
will
and
do
appreciate
your
time
today.
Thank
you.
A
P
My
name
is
latricia
vital
and
I'm
a
resident
of
ward
two,
but
I
work
in
ward,
five
at
north
point
health
and
wellness
center,
a
community
clinic-
and
I'm
here
today
to
ask
you
to
pass
the
proposal
that
would
add
e-cigarettes
to
the
clean
indoor
air
act,
and
this
is
not
to
ban
the
use
of
e-cigarettes,
but
it
is
to
add
it
into
the
clean
indoor
air
act
where
people
can't
use
e-cigarettes
in
public
places
as
a
part
of
my
job.
I
work
with
youth
in
north
minneapolis
on
tobacco
prevention.
P
The
youth
that
I
work
with
tell
me
daily
that
e-cigarettes
are
becoming
more
and
more
popular
amongst
young
people.
With
that
being
said,
the
2014
minnesota
youth
tobacco
survey
results
were
just
released
and
they
support
what
I
hear
from
the
young
people
every
day.
These
surveys
result
revealing
concerned
about
information
on
e-cigarettes
by
minnesota,
high
schoolers.
P
The
survey
showed
that
28
percent
of
high
school
students
have
tried
e-cigarettes
13
of
high
school
students,
have
used
or
tried
e-cigarettes,
at
least
once
in
the
past
30
days,
and
nearly
one-quarter
of
minnesota
high
school
students
would
have
tried
e-cigarettes
had
they
never
and
have
never
tried
conventional
tobacco
products.
So
these
young
people
haven't
tried
regular
tobacco
products,
but
they
have
tried
e-cigarettes.
P
Nicotine
is
highly
addictive,
as
we
all
know,
and
harmful
to
the
development
of
adolescent
brains.
Youth
should
not
be
using
it
or
exposed
to
it
in
any
form.
I
urge
you
to
do
whatever
you
can
to
assure
that
these
products
stay
out
of
the
hands
of
young
people
by
voting
to
prohibit
the
use
of
e-cigarettes
in
public
places.
You
are
helping
send
the
message
that
young
people
to
young
people
that
these
products
are
not
safe,
because
we
know
that
they
think
they're
safe
because
they're,
not
cigarette
products,
tobacco
products.
A
R
Thank
you.
My
name
is
gregory
conley
231,
church
road,
medford,
new
jersey,
zero,
eight,
zero,
five
five.
I
am
here
representing
the
american
vaping
association,
a
nonprofit
advocacy
organization
that
represents
and
advocates
for
small
and
medium-sized
businesses
in
the
vapor
product
and
electronic
cigarette
markets.
We
are
not
here
representing
big
tobacco.
R
The
minneapolis
and
nearby
retailers
here
representing
the
vapor
product
industry,
do
not
sell
products
sold
by
big
tobacco,
and
I
am
here
today
to
urge
you
not
to
treat
smoke-free
tobacco-free
and
tar-free
vapor
products
the
same
as
you
do
deadly
combustible
cigarettes
instead,
minneapolis
should
take
a
mature
and
responsible
approach
and
recognize
that
this
is
not
an
all
or
nothing
approach.
First,
most
importantly,
the
council
should
seriously
consider
exempting
vape
shops
shops
that
do
not
use
any
leaf
containing
tobacco
leaf
containing
products
allowing
usage
in
vape
shops
only
makes
sense.
R
Retailers
have
to
troubleshoot
products.
They
have
to
teach
new
users
how
to
use
the
products.
There
is
no
public
health
threat
from
allowing
usage
any
cigarette
retail
stores
where
all
the
workers
there
already
use
electronic
cigarettes.
I
submitted
eight
pages
of
written
testimony
that
should
have
been
handed
out
to
you
in
that
testimony.
I
note
that
tonight
the
city
of
baltimore
will
be
likely
doing.
R
A
third
reading
sent
to
the
mayor
will
likely
buy
a
13
to
1
vote
that
will
ban
vaping
where
smoking
is
banned
but
exempt
vape
shops
and
allow
bars
and
restaurants
to
make
their
own
choices
about
the
matter.
If
they
want
to
allow
usage,
they
simply
put
a
sign
up
in
the
window
saying
electronic
cigarette
usage
is
allowed
according
to
the
minneapolis
vapors.
Here
there
are
approximately
50
bars
and
restaurants
in
minneapolis
that
welcome
vapor
product
use,
depending
on
the
time
of
day
and
the
circumstances.
R
R
So
please
consider
the
baltimore
compromise
everybody
most
people
would
be
happy
with
that,
although
of
course
we
urge
you
not
to
not
to
take
any
actions
beyond
state
law.
Now
we
do
not
have
time
to
analyze
every
claim
made
by
the
city,
council
staff
and
their
staff
report
as
well
as
opponents,
but
what
essentially
it
boils
down
to
is
a
misunderstanding
of
the
principle,
the
most
principle,
the
largest
principle
of
toxicology,
the
dose
makes
the
poison
in
my
written
testimony.
R
I
go
through
claims
that
have
been
made
about
metals,
volatile
organic
compounds,
pahs
and
particles
with
regard
to
particles.
They
keep
saying
ultra
fine
particles,
but
what
they
fail
to
leave
out
is
that
smoke
particles,
particles
that
cause
harm,
whether
or
not
a
cigarette
smoke
or
a
wood
fire.
Those
are
solid
particles.
R
E-Cigarette
vapor
contains
no
solid
particles,
aerosol
droplets,
so
the
same
effect
that
you
get
from
inhaling
any
cigarette
vapor
is
the
same
effect
that
you
get
from
sitting
in
a
sauna
for
an
hour,
and
nobody
is
here
going
to
claim
that
long-term
use
of
saunas
or
exposure
to
a
sauna
is
going
to
cause
lung
damage.
With
regard
to
vocs
volatile
organic
compounds.
R
One
study
in
germany,
the
most
thorough
study
to
date,
found
six
of
20
chemicals
vocs
present
in
cigarette
smoke
and
e-cigarette
vapor.
Five
of
the
six
six
chemicals
the
levels
were
below
one
percent
of
the
threshold
set
by
the
federal
government
for
that
chemical
formaldehyde
was
at
2.4
percent.
The
daily
exposure
limit
and
the
authors
noted
that,
because
the
amount
of
formaldehyde
was
increasing,
even
when
e-cigarettes
were
not
being
used,
that
it
was
likely
because
human
breath
contains
formaldehyde.
R
So
in
conclusion,
please
take
a
reasonable
approach.
There
is
no
need
to
target
vape
shops.
The
person
who
spoke
right
before
me
owns
a
vape
shop
in
another
city,
he's
been
cited
by
his
local
government
just
for
allowing
vaping
in
his
own
store.
So
please
take
consider
this
this
approach
and
thank
you
very
much
and
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
and
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak.
S
Hi,
my
name
is
jasmine
riddival
jones,
and
yes,
that's
awesome
that
you
pronounce
that
correctly,
because
most
people
don't
I
go
to
washburn
high
school.
I
live
in
ward
8
and
I'm
here
as
a
representative
of
the
minneapolis
youth
congress,
no
decision
about
us
without
us,
and
this
past
summer
we
presented
to
this
committee
of
our
tobacco
initiative
and
one
of
our
recommendations
was
to
prohibit
electronic
cigarette
use
indoors.
I
am
here
today
to
ask
you
again
to
please
support
this
recommendation.
S
S
Prohibiting
indoor
use
of
e-cigs
is
one
way
to
help
prevent
youth
use
and
nicotine
addiction,
adults
are
are
role,
models
and
the
more
kids
see
them
using
e-cigs,
the
more
they
they
think,
they're,
normal
and
safe.
Additionally,
we
think
that
it's
important
to
protect
indoor
air
quality
and
e-cigs
raise
a
lot
of
concerns.
S
S
And
considering
how
hard
it
is
to
figure
out
what's
in
an
e-cig,
we
think
it
will
be
best
not
to
use
them
indoors.
Personally,
I
have
asthma
and
it's
from
second
hand,
smoke,
and
I
am
concerned
about
the
effects
that
will
have
on
myself
and
other
people
who
have
asthma
and
bronchitis
and
other
respiratory
diseases
from
the
easing
vapor,
because
we
do
not
know
exactly
what's
in
it
and
exactly
how
harmful
it
is
to
ourselves
and
it
can
come
from
nicotine
marijuana
or
any
other
substance.
E-Cigs
are
used
for.
S
T
My
name
is
angie
griffith
and
I
own
smokeless
smoking
vapor
lounge
we're
at
514
east
hennepin
avenue
in
minneapolis.
I
just
wanted
to
come
up
today
and
say
that
I'm
not
big
tobacco.
I
do
not
market
to
the
youth.
The
average
age
of
my
customer
is
37
years
old,
they're
smokers
that
are
seeking
a
better
alternative
they've
been
able
to
abstain
from
smoking
tobacco
cigarettes
through
the
use
of
electronic
cigarettes.
T
Last
week
I
sent
you
a
book
called
the
faces
of
smokeless
smoking
in
that
book
is
the
testimony
of
my
customers,
and
I
believe
that
those
pages
speak
for
themselves
and
I
hope
that
you've
taken
the
time
to
review
the
document
by
adding
electronic
cigarettes
to
the
clean
indoor
air
act,
you'll
be
sending
the
unfounded
message
to
the
public.
That
vaping
is
the
same
as
smoking
tobacco,
which
we
know
is
the
number
one
cause
of
preventable
death
on
our
planet.
T
U
U
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
for
the
opportunity
to
say
a
few
words
and
for
your
very
helpful,
one-word
amendment.
That
was
our
principal
reason
for
being
here.
We
were
concerned
that
number
two
on
the
ordinance
would
provide
significant
consequences,
potentially
for
a
single
violation.
We're
concerned
that
vaping
is
more
stealthy
and
a
little
harder
for
servers
or
bartenders
or
a
host
to
see.
U
We
did
not
get
any
objections
to
the
ordinance
got
some
compliments
that
it
would
make
their
lives
more
consistent
because
of
having
e
cigarettes
handled
exactly
the
same
way
as
tobacco
cigarettes,
regular
cigarettes.
We
certainly
know
there
are
some
members
of
the
restaurant
association
who
allow
vaping
and
I
don't
pretend
to
speak
for
all
of
them.
We
may
get
some
objections,
but
in
general
the
industry
finds
first
of
all,
the
approach
to
simply
following
the
clean
indoor
air
act
to
be
a
good
and
consistent
one.
U
V
Mr
chairman
members,
thank
you.
My
name
is
capitol
rourke.
I
am
here
today
representing
the
independent
vaping
retailers
of
vape
retailers
of
minnesota.
My
address
is
5816
10th
avenue
south
I
am
living
in
ward
11..
We
have
a
couple
issues
I
represent.
There
are
currently
five
shops
that
are
primarily
vaping
shops
in
the
city
of
minneapolis,
and
we
have
a
number
of
customers
who
have
frankly
been
off
of
cigarettes
for
years
and
have
seen
the
dramatic
improvement
in
their
health,
and
we
are
concerned
about
our
customers.
V
We
ask
you
urge
you
to
take
a
reasoned
approach
that
is
truly
based
in
science
and
not
worried
about
speculative
and
fear-based
accusations.
You
know
there
have
been
concerns
about
metals
and
vocs
and
all
sorts
of
potential
particulate
matter.
I
would
say
you
are
going
down
a
very
slippery
slope
if
you
are
outlawing
articles
simply
based
on
particulate
matter,
in
which
case
you
are
going
to
have
to
take
a
good
hard
look
at
your
local
dry
cleaners.
Anyone
who
uses
hair
spray,
all
the
home
depots
located
in
minneapolis.
V
There
are
a
number
of
traditional
businesses.
Anyone
who
uses
paint
that
create
particulate
matter
and
with
heavy
metals,
I
would
say,
if
you're
concerned
about
heavy
metals,
be
careful
where
you
drink
your
water.
The
city
of
minneapolis
acknowledge
that
there
are
heavy
metal
found
in
their
drinking
water,
and
it's
just
a
matter
of
what
greg
conley
said.
The
dose
equals
is
really
the
concerning
factor.
V
What
I
would
urge
you
to
do
is
think
about
the
those
people
who
have
spent
the
last
year
or
plus,
not
using
traditional
cigarettes
and
using
vaping
products
so
giving
bars
and
restaurants
the
option
to
allow
these
and
specifically
for
big
businesses
downtown
places
like
target.
There
are
big
high
towers,
allowing
them
if
they
want
to.
V
Well,
in
some
of
our
cold
weather
climates
and
lastly-
and
I
know
this
has
been
brought
up-
and
I
know
I've
talked
to
a
number
of
council
members
with
regards
to
the
sampling
ban,
I
know
that
this
ordinance
does
not
talk
about
the
sampling
ban.
Having
said
that,
there
is
confusion
within
city
staff
about
if
the
sampling
ban
applies
to
these
shops
or
doesn't
I
have
had
a
meeting
with
grant
wilson,
we
have
had
two
shops
that
have
had
given
notifications
from
an
inspector
saying
it
does
grant
says
it's
not
intended.
V
So
whether
or
not
you
think
this
ordinance
applies
or
doesn't
apply,
it
is
clear,
there's
more
work
to
be
done,
because
the
city
never
explicitly
mentions
electronic
delivery
devices,
but
there
are
some
who
are
interpreting
it
as
including
them.
So
whether
or
not
you
deal
with
it
on
this
ordinance
or
not,
I
really
urge
you
to
clarify
that
both
for
the
users
and
for
the
shop
owners,
so
we
can
continue
to
operate
and
serve
people
who
are
currently
smoking.
Thank
you.
Thank.
W
W
I
have
talked
to
our
government
affairs,
our
executive
committee
and
our
full
board,
and
I've
also
asked
property
managers
throughout
our
membership,
and
I
asked
them
if
there
has
been
a
ground
swell
from
the
employees
of
the
tenants
wanting
to
see
e-cigarettes
available
in
the
building,
and
the
answer
is
basically
none
really.
In
conclusion,
the
onus
to
I
identify,
differentiate
and
enforce
with
a
device
an
individual
is
using
is
emitting
dangerous
chemicals
in
the
air
within
a
building
should
not
rest
with
the
commercial
office
building
management
or
the
security
companies
they
may
employ.
W
We
endorse
the
city
of
minneapolis,
adopting
the
minnesota,
clean
indoor
act
and
broadening
the
regulation
of
e-cigarettes
and
electronic
devices
and,
as
you
may
know,
bloomington
is
going
to
be
looking
at
this
tonight.
I'll
be
testifying
there
and
hennepin
county
is
also
looking
at
their
own
ordinance
as
it
pertains
to
this.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
X
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
chris
tipton
I
am
a
my
address.
Is
13769
heather
hills
in
burnsville?
I
am
a
former
pack
a
day
smoker.
I
have
been
smoke
free
due
to
the
use
of
electronic
cigarettes
for
over
four
years
now,
I'm
also
currently,
the
president
of
a
group
called
minnesota
vapors
advocacy,
which
is
an
all-volunteer
grassroots
organization
representing
minnesota,
consumers
of
smoke-free
vapor
products
commonly
known
as
electronic
cigarettes
or
e-cigarettes
minnesota.
X
Vapor's
advocacy
strongly
encourages
this
council
to
oppose
a
public
use
ban
on
vapor
products,
the
primary
basis
for
the
minnesota,
clean
indoor,
air
act
and
public
smoking
bans
throughout
the
country
was
conclusive.
Scientific
proof
that
secondhand
smoke
presents
a
risk
to
individuals
exposed
to
it
in
public
areas.
As
of
today,
there
are
no
peer-reviewed
scientific
studies,
which
concludes
that
second
hand.
Vapor
presents
any
significant
risk
to
public
health.
X
In
fact,
there
have
already
been
several
studies
which
conclude
that
there
is
no
risk
at
all
to
bystanders
in
2012,
the
national
institute
of
health
published
a
study
which
compared
the
effects
of
e-cigarette,
vapor
and
cigarette
smoke
on
indoor
air
quality.
That
study
concluded
that
there
is
quote
no
apparent
risk
to
human
health
from
e-cigarette
emissions.
X
The
study
concludes
quote:
there
is
no
evidence
that
vaping
produces
inhalable
exposures
to
contaminants
of
the
aerosol
that
would
warrant
health
concerns
by
the
standards
that
are
used
to
ensure
the
safety
of
workplaces
they
finished.
Their
conclusion
with
this
quote,
exposures
of
bystanders
are
likely
to
be
orders
of
magnitude
less
and
thus
pose
no
apparent
concern.
X
A
public
use
ban
actually
runs
counter
to
the
goal
of
improving
public
health
by
lumping
a
product
that
does
not
create
smoke
in
with
other
combustible
tobacco
products.
You
are
sending
a
message
to
your
community
that
there's
no
difference
between
the
two
and
they
might
as
well
continue
to
smoke
instead
of
switching
to
a
healthier
alternative.
X
X
In
conclusion,
a
public
use
ban
on
vapor
products
is
unwarranted,
because
there
is
no
evidence
that
they
are
harming
public
health.
A
ban
would
create
additional
exposure
to
secondhand
smoke,
which
does
not
exist
today,
and
it
sends
a
message
to
smokers
in
this
community
that
vapor
products
are
just
as
bad
and
finally,
a
band
would
severely
limit
a
consumer's
ability
to
find
products
in
a
shop
that
will
work
effectively
for
them.
A
Y
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
members,
I'm
very
pleased
to
be
here
as
the
chief
author
of
the
minnesota
clean
indoor
air
act,
which
was
passed
a
very
very
long
time
ago
and
was
the
first
first
in
the
country,
it's
nice
to
get
this
laid
on
the
agenda,
because
almost
everything
I
needed
to
say
has
been
said
and
I've
point.
I've
passed
out
two
items
from
you,
one
from
the
new
york
times
and
one
from
the
minnesota
department
of
health.
Talking
about
some
of
the
problems
with
e-cigarettes.
Y
I
just
want
to
contradict
first
of
all,
the
cities
you
know
minneapolis
is
not
the
first,
but
we
join
cities
ranging
from
italy
to
chicago
and
to
new
york
and
to
los
angeles
in
doing
this,
the
three
I
tried
to
do
this
on
the
state
level
and
have
to
admit
that
I
failed,
so
I
hope
you'll
do
a
better
job
than
I
did.
The
three
states
that
have
done
it
are
as
different
as
possible:
north
dakota,
utah
and
new
jersey.
Y
I
don't
know
if
those
three
states
have
anything
else
in
common
except
except
doing
this
and
the
final.
The
argument
is
they'll
still
work
as
well
as
they
have
been
working
now
to
for
people
to
use
instead
of
smoking,
because
any
place
where
you
can
smoke.
You
can
use
these
cigarettes,
so
they're
they're,
attractive,
they're
still
available
available
to
to
do
that.
And
so
I
thank
you
for
considering
this
ordinance
and,
I
hope
you'll
join.
AA
Y
Sure
for
more
sensitive
people
and
for
little
children,
I
think
the
toxic
exposures
sheep
from
the
mdh
is
just
incredible
and
looking
at
the,
I
think,
a
tenfold
increase
in
the
well.
That's
obviously
going
to
stop,
because
there
aren't
that
many
little
children,
but
the
tenfold
increase
each
year
for
children
has
just
been
completely
amazing
in
terms
of
for
something
that's
supposed
they're
not
supposed
to
get,
and
we
supposedly
made
it
harder
for
them
to
get
on
the
state
level.
So
please
succeed
where
I
failed.
Thank
you.
A
AB
AB
AB
I'm
a
little
nervous,
but
my
question
to
you
guys
is-
or
my
statement
to
you
is
really
consider
that
you
know
the
government
involvement
in
telling
a
business
how
to
run
their
business
and
as
a
business
owner
I
own
a
salon
locally
here
and
a
few
other
little
businesses.
I
think
it's
up
to
me
as
a
business
owner
not
up
to
the
group
of
people
coming
together,
saying
if
you
don't
want
to
come
to
my
business,
because
I
allow
something
I
have
coffee.
AB
So
if
you
don't
like
coffee
in
your
tea
drinker,
then
you
know
I'm
sorry.
I
have
coffee
the
same
thing
with
vaping.
It
should
be
if
it's
a
vape
shop.
I
think
you
should
leave
it
up
to
the
business
they're
going
to
test
it.
If
it's
a
bar
or
restaurant,
it
should
be
up
to
them.
Really
the
statement
isn't
about
how
it
affects
my
health,
his
health,
anybody
else's
health.
From
from
my
understanding,
this
was
about
how
it
affects
businesses
and
the
people
around
it.
AB
Smoking
in
places
like
this
smoking
in
I'm
looking
at
my
time,
smoking
on
subways
trains.
What
not
that's
understandable?
That's
not!
I
don't
think
what
anybody
here
is
arguing
with
the
argument
it
is.
These
are
private
businesses
public
places,
yes,
but
private
businesses
they
are.
I
put
my
heart
and
soul
and
moved
to
minnesota
and
started
a
business
here.
AB
Why
take
something
away
from
me
that
I've
put
my
money
into
and
want
those
people
in
with
me?
That's
really.
All
I
have
to
say
is
think
about
that
for
a
minute,
I'm
spending
taxes
with
you
guys,
and
I
just
you
know
all
I
keep
hearing
is
the
health
benefits
children.
Everything
else.
That's
like
saying
a
pack
of
gum
I
like
gummy,
bears
I'm
34
years
old.
I
can't
have
gummy
bears.
That's
all.
I
have
to
say
I'm
sorry.
I
wasn't
prepared
sorry
for
standing
up
earlier
kind
of
new
to
this.
A
AC
Welcome,
mr
chairman,
council
members,
my
name
is
stuart
hanson,
I'm
a
pulmonary
medicine
physician
practiced
in
the
twin
cities
here
for
over
40
years,
recently
retired.
I
would
say-
and
that's
why
I'll
get
to
come
to
these
meetings,
but
I
want
to
make
three
points
that
that
have
been
brought
up
in
and
are
wrong.
AC
One
is
that
nicotine
is
an
addicting
substance
and
it
is
a
most
difficult
addiction
that
we
have
to
treat,
and
I,
as
a
physician,
am
concerned
about
young
people
starting
this
addiction
process
and
not
being
able
to
get
off
it.
We
have
products
already
in
the
market
that
have
been
vetted
fda,
approved
that
are
designed
to
get
people
off
of
nicotine,
these
patches
and
and
gum,
and
and
lozenges
and
so
forth.
So
we
have
these
products
already.
That
have
been
studied.
AC
Second
point
is
that
that
nicotine
in
these
products
are
taken
from
tobacco
leaf,
it's
an
extract
of
tobacco,
so
it's
not
another
product.
It
comes
from
tobacco,
e-cigarettes
are
a
tobacco
product,
so
think
about
that,
and-
and
the
last
thing
is
that
the
nicotine
molecule
is
a
very
sticky
molecule-
it
sticks
to
wherever
it
goes.
It
sticks
to
your
brain
for
one
and
we
kind
of
know.
AC
We
know
actually
quite
well
where
it
depicts
the
brain
and
what
parts
of
the
brain
it
affects,
but
it
also
sticks
to
your
body,
your
clothes,
the
rug
in
the
room,
the
draperies,
the
ceiling
paint
on
the
walls,
and
then
it
comes
off
of
those
off
of
those
surfaces
in
a
different
form.
Some
of
those
are
cancerogenic
in
small
amounts,
but
for
little
kids
this
is
not
good.
So
it's
a
sticky
molecule
it.
It
comes
from
tobacco
products
and
please
don't
allow
more
addictions
to
particularly
their
young
people.
AC
A
AD
My
name
is
jennifer
swanson
I
live
in
richfield,
I
am
a
shop
owner
of
the
e-6
store,
addresses
6808
richfield,
one
of
the
things
that
I
didn't
prepare
speech,
but
that
didn't
really
hear
anybody
kind
of
address
is
the
shop
owners.
If
you
ban
the
vaping,
these
devices
are
really
technical,
so
you're
not
gonna,
be
able
to
show
them
how
they
work
without
firing
them,
which
is
going
to
be
really
hard
for
people
to
learn
how
to
use
them.
AD
AD
Also,
the
issue
on
children
getting
e-cigs,
we
id
everybody
when
they
come
in
our
store.
The
issue
isn't,
I
think,
that's
another
issue
that
needs
to
be
addressed.
How
are
these
kids
getting
these
devices
or
cigarettes
or
drugs
or
whatever,
and
I
have
a
ten-year-old
daughter
myself
and
you
know
I
would
make
sure
that
she
wouldn't
be
getting
a
hold
of
these
devices.
So
that's
a
whole
other
issue.
I
don't
think
that
should
be.
AD
A
AE
AE
AE
Each
time
a
car
has
to
stop
and
accelerate.
It
puts
the
enormous
amount
of
carbon
dioxide
in
that
small
area.
So
if
you
happen
to
live
by,
stop
sign
you're,
you're
bombarded
by
current
carbon
dioxide,
excuse
me,
I
would
hope
that
you
take
another
look
at
the
stop
signs.
That
should
not
be
there.
It's
only
there
for
political
reasons,
and
I
would
urge
this
council
to
start
getting
rid
of
some
of
them.
Thank
you.
A
C
A
AF
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Chairman
gordon,
my
name
is
tyler
and
I've
been
a
resident
of
minneapolis
for
two
years.
I
do
not
support
putting
people
who
smoke
electronic
cigarettes
under
the
minnesota
clean
air
act
for
several
reasons
I
moved
to
minneapolis
two
years
ago,
because
I
wanted
to
live
a
healthier
life
and
get
sober.
AF
AF
Vaping
with
electronic
cigarettes
is
a
healthier
alternative
and
when
I
visited
my
doctor,
a
physician
at
atlanta
in
cottage
grove,
his
name's,
dr
mchale,
he's
been
practicing
medicine
for
27
years
and
he
graduated
from
the
university
of
minnesota,
and
I
had
my
electronic
cigarette
on
the
table
and
he
walked
into
the
office
and
he
congratulated
me
for
quitting
smoking
and
vaping,
and
with
this
I
will
close
the
cdc
estimates
that
1
300
people
die
every
day
from
smoking.
Traditional
tobacco
and
480
000
people
die
every
year.
How
many
people
die
from
using
electronic
cigarettes?
AG
AG
This
is
something
I'm
very
passionate
about.
I've
been
vaping
for
three
years,
and
I've
worked
in
a
shop
for
a
year
and
a
half.
I've
personally
helped
well
over
a
thousand
people
quit
tobacco,
and
I
guess
I'm
here
and
I'm
you
know,
I'm
speaking
on
behalf
of
them.
You
know
this
is
not
a
prepared
speech.
I
just
kind
of
have
a
few
points
to
make.
AG
AG
A
Well,
thank
you
very
much
that
then
I'm
in
a
close
public
hearing
and
open
it
for
discussion.
I
think
for
purposes
of
discussion
and
I'm
going
to
move
the
ordinance
forward
as
the
substitute
that
you
have
in
front
of
you.
I
want
to
make
a
couple
comments.
First
of
all,
I
really
appreciate
everybody,
the
thoughtfulness,
the
effort
that
it
took
to
get
down
here.
For
some
of
you
and
the
comments
that
you
made,
I
think
it
helps
us
understand
the
issues
more
and
and
get
an
understanding
of
what's
going
on.
A
A
I
had
an
opportunity
to
meet
with
somebody
and
understand
that
a
little
bit
better,
the
intent
of
this
ordinance
is
absolutely
not
to
prohibit
the
kind
of
sampling
or
testing
that
goes
on
in
the
vaping
shops
that
also
we
allow
to
go
on
in
tobacco
shops
in
terms
of
some
customer
relations
that
go
on
there.
I
do
understand
that
we
may
have
actually
created
a
hurdle
there
when
we
strengthened
our
ordinance
to
prevent
some,
I
think,
was
basically
creation
of
hookah
shops.
A
You
may
recall
that
those
of
us
who
were
around
last
year,
so
my
understanding
right
now,
is
that
the
intention
isn't
to
enforce
this
in
any
of
the
vaping
shops
in
terms
of
the
the
vaping
that
might
go
on
there,
but
I
also
recognize,
as
was
pointed
out,
we
may
need
to
actually
clean
up
our
ordinance.
I
had
the
opportunity
to
to
talk
with
our
staff
before
this
meeting.
A
So
that's
a
piece
that
I
will
help
follow
up
on
and
that's
probably
about
all
that
I
can
say
in
terms
of
supporting
and
understanding
and
hearing
this
other
side
of
the
than
where
I'm
started
from
as
the
author
of
this
ordinance.
Although
I
also
want
folks
to
understand
that
you
that
I
think
the
the
city
government
me,
we
recognize
that
vaping
is
a
better
alternative
that,
especially
if
this
helps
people
get
free
of
their
addiction.
A
To
nicotine,
I
mean
that's
a
good
thing
and
we
want
people
to
understand
that.
I
think
our
concerns
come
from.
My
concerns
come
from
hearing
from
the
youth
that
this
is
actually
a
stepping
stone
to
addiction
to
nicotine
and
then
the
more
affordable,
easier
to
get,
maybe
easier
to
use
kinds
of
tobacco
products
are
there
for
them.
A
Also,
I
want
to
be
clear
that
just
because
we're
banning
it
in
these
public
places
doesn't
mean
you
have
to
go
to
the
same
smoking
section
as
other
cigarette
users.
I
think
there
can
be
other
alternatives.
Establishments
can
set
up
any
outdoor
area
that
they
want
and
those
kinds
of
things.
I
think
those
are
the
end
of
the
comments
I
wanted
to
make
right
here.
We
don't
have
to
drag
this
on
really
long,
but
I'd
like
to
see
if
there's
other
questions
or
discussion,
councilmember
johnson
thank.
Z
Z
I
think
it
is
wonderful
to
see
so
many
people
here
speak
up
on
both
sides
of
the
issues
and
especially
something
I
heard
a
lot
of
was
that
it
was
the
first
time
for
many
folks.
So
I
was
very
excited
to
see
that,
and
I
also
wanted
to
say
that
I
think
it's
absolutely
wonderful
and
great,
that
e-cigarettes
have
helped
individuals
quit
smoking.
Z
Z
I
don't
think
that's
something
that
there's
a
lot
of
debate
about
at
this
present
time,
but
they
still
pollute
the
air
for
non-smokers
that
non-smokers
are
breathing.
As
well,
the
non-vaporizers
non-uh
non-people
vaping
on
smokeless
device
users
are
breathing
in
as
well
and
we've
heard
from
experts
and
doctors
who
showed
up
here
today
to
say
that
these
products
are
not
safe,
and
so
I
guess
I
look
to
the
old
adage
that
your
liberty
and
your
freedom
to
swing
your
fist
goes
all
the
way
up
and
ends
where
my
nose
begins.
Z
We
have
at
issue
here
to
me
is:
do
individuals
have
a
right
to
consume
a
drug
in
a
manner
that
exposes
bystanders,
co-workers
and
other
customers
to
that
drug?
An
addictive
poison
nonetheless,
and
I
believe
that
the
medical
community,
the
business
community
and
the
public
at
large
degrees
know
that's
where
that
right
ends
that
you
shouldn't
put
it
in
the
air
for
everyone
else
to
breathe
around
you.
So
that's
why
I
support
this
motion
before
us
today.
Thank
you.
AH
You,
mr
chair,
I
wondered
if
your
staff
could
clarify
the
next
steps
related
to
the
clarification
around
vaping
shops.
You
mentioned
the
other
action
that
the
council
took
related
to
hookah
shops.
Would
we
be
talking
about
amending
an
ordinance
aside
from
this
one,
or
is
there
need
to
amend
this
ordinance
to
clarify
that
we
are
not
talking
about
limiting
sampling
in
vaping
shops.
C
D
Member
fry,
mr
chair,
so
I
was
checking
into
where
it's
referenced
in
other
parts
of
the
code.
Right
now,
it's
section
281.56,
which
refers
to
sampling
the
the
problem.
There
is
it's
very
explicitly
tobacco
shops
and
tobacco
products,
so
it
appears
that
we
would
have
to
add
a
whole
other
section
to
address
e-cigarettes,
specifically
and
or
explicitly
put
it
into
the
ordinance
that
we're
presently
bringing
forward
chapter
234.
A
E
Mr
chair
and
committee
members,
I
think
you're
correct.
The
sampling
ordinance
didn't
specifically
take
into
account
the
business
model
that
vape
shots.
Vape
shops
have
I'm
not
myself
that
familiar
with
vapor
shops.
I
do
know
that
I
believe
they
are
presently
licensed
as
tobacco
product
shops
and
mr
wilson
can
correct
me
as
I'm
wrong
and
that's
why
they've
been
fit
under
the
rubric
of
the
sampling
ordinance
as
it
does
apply
to
tobacco
products
shops,
and
I
think
the
definition
of
tobacco
products
is
largely
broad
enough
to
include
the
products
that
are
sold
there.
D
So,
mr
chair,
is
this
something
that
you
want
to?
We
can
want
to
revisit
now
or
do
we
need
more
time
to
kind
of
mull
it
over?
I'm
I'm
sort
of
leaving
this
up
to
you,
but
I
I
do
think
that
it's
important
that,
if
we're,
if
the
intent
is
to
do
something
that
we
explicitly
say
so
in
the
ordinance
itself.
A
My
intention
wasn't
to
put
anything
in
this
ordinance.
Maybe
we
put
a
staff
direction.
I
think
what
we
have
to
do
is
amend
the
sampling
ordinance,
and
so
my
intention
would
be
to
and
I'd
be
happy
to.
Let
someone
else
do
the
subject,
introduction
on
that
and
work
on
that
amendment.
But
I
know
that
mr
wilton
from
licensing
has
already
teed
that
up
and
has
been
working
with
the
his
staff
to
see
what
that
could
look
like
to
make
sure
that
we
we
fix
it.
AH
You,
mr
sheriff,
I
may
I
think
I
just
want
to
clarify
again,
maybe
for
folks
listening,
that
it's
everyone's
opinion
that
including
our
city
attorneys,
that
the
intention
of
this
ordinance
is
not
to
limit
sampling.
So
what
we
would
be
doing
would
be
clarifying
the
ordinance
to
reflect
that,
but
there
shouldn't
be
any
enforcement
in
the
interim.
Does
that
is
that
correct.
AH
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
If
I
may
you
know
I'm
supportive
of
this
ordinance
change,
I
think
it
is
responsible
for
us,
given
the
you
know,
lack
of
evidence
either
way
to
make
sure
that
we're
taking
the
public
safety
into
account,
and
I'm
compelled
also
by
the
testimony
from
folks
who
represent
the
business
community
and
the
building
community,
that
that
a
lot
of
our
businesses
are
actually
asking
for
us
to
clarify
this
as
policy
makers.
So
I'm
supporting
this
ordinance
and
I'm
I'm
also
looking
forward
to
us
clarifying
this
issue
that
we've
been
discussing.
A
All
right,
thank
you
very
much.
I
don't
see
any
other
comments,
so
I'm
going
to
call
for
the
vote.
All
those
in
favor
of
the
motion,
please
say:
aye
aye,
any
opposed
all
right.
That
motion
carries
then,
and
thank
you,
everybody
for
coming
and
being
part
of
this
discussion
and
stay
tuned
and
for
all
the
work
from
our
health
staff
and
others
and
I'll
just
note
also.
I
think
that
the
the
minneapolis
youth
congress
can
take
some
credit
for
raising
this
up
to
our
level
earlier
and
hopefully
they'll.
AI
AI
A
A
A
Thanks
for
coming
four,
more
all
right
now,
as
it's
quiet
down
a
little
bit,
I
want
to
move
on
to
our
three
consent
items
and
on
the
agenda.
It
says:
there's
just
two
consent
items,
but
there's
actually
three
because
there's
one
that
was
walked
on
today
to
approve
a
contract
authorization
for
the
minneapolis
resident
survey.
A
Then
we
also
have
on
the
consent,
agenda
receiving
and
filing
a
report
on
on
contracted
neighborhood
funds.
This
was
requested
at
our
last
meeting.
It
kind
of
gives
some
background
information
on
that,
and
the
third
item
is
just
setting
the
public
hearing
for
december
8th
for
our
grocery
stores,
ordinance
amendment
that
was
was
introduced
at
the
last
council
meeting.
Would
anybody
like
to
pull
anything
off
council
member
johnson?
Mr.
Z
A
A
A
AJ
AJ
AJ
According
to
a
report
from
the
neighborhood
housing
and
economic
development
task
force
in
may
of
1988,
the
city
must
take
the
initiative
to
preserve
and
revitalize
its
physical
structures
and
stabilize
its
tax
base,
and
if
unabated
these
trends
mean
minneapolis
will
crash
and
burn
as
a
decent
livable
city
over
the
next
20
years.
That
was
a
quote
from
the
then
mcda
executive
director,
james
helzer.
AJ
And
mr
heltzer
added
at
the
time
that
the
elected
officials
20
years
from
now
cannot
prevent
this.
We
must
have
our
neighborhoods
effectively
function
as
the
basic
building
blocks
of
this
revitalization
plan.
It
is
their
planning
their
priorities,
their
needs
that
are
driving
the
driving
force,
the
engine
that
will
make
revitalization
a
reality.
AJ
So
we
moved
into
phase
one
of
the
nrp.
The
first
neighborhoods
were
selected
in
1981
to
begin
planning.
There
was
a
process
that
neighborhood
organizations
had
to
go
through
with
starting
with
a
what
was
called
a
participation
agreement.
They
would
spend
actually
sometimes
two
to
three
years
in
doing
their
planning.
Actually,
the
average
for
phase
one
was
three
years
of
planning,
because
neighborhoods
took
it
very
seriously,
but
the
first
neighborhood
plan
was
approved
in
1992
and
the
last
phase.
AJ
AJ
G
AJ
AJ
Originally,
it
was
anticipated
that
there
would
be
about
an
equal
amount
as
phase
one
about
180
million
dollars
available,
but
in
2001
they
passed
tax
reform
that
pretty
much
pulled
drug
out
from
the
tax
revenues
downtown,
so
it
significantly
reduced
the
amount
of
money
that
was
available
at
that
time.
The
projections
were,
I
believe
it
was
around
75
million
dollars
reductions.
Just
from
that,
there
are
also
a
number
of
non-plan
set-asides
that
totaled
43
million
dollars.
AJ
So
the
final
and
also
the
final
capitalization
of
nrp
phase,
two
actually
didn't
occur
until
right
at
the
end
of
the
program.
In
the
last
month,
20
million
dollars
came
in
from
the
brookfields
loan
repayment,
so
actually
the
bulk
of
the
nrp
phase,
two
funds
weren't
available
and
towards
the
end
of
the
program.
AJ
So
as
the
city
and
neighborhoods
neared
the
end
of
the
phase
two
program,
they
started
talking
about.
What's
next,
what
follows
so
they
talked
about.
The
city
council
in
2006
formed
a
work
group
to
start
looking,
for
example,
at
community
engagement,
and
one
of
the
developments
of
that
was
the
the
community
engagement
model
process
in
2007,
the
city
council
formed
a
new
community
engagement
task
force
again
in
2007
later
on.
AJ
AJ
And
so
that
kind
of
brings
us
up
to
2010
when
we
had
the
new
department,
the
community
participation
program
guidelines
were
developed
in
2010
by
the
neighborhood
community
relations
department,
working
closely
with
the
neighborhood
community
engagement
commission
and
we
went
out
and
met
with
a
lot
of
neighborhoods
during
a
very
intense
two-month
period
in
early
2010,
a
lot
of
the
commissioners
from
the
commission
joined
us.
We
talked
to
more
than
60
neighborhoods
in
a
very
short
period
of
time
to
get
their
input
even
before
we
started
designing
the
guidelines
to
find
out.
AJ
AJ
AJ
A
I
have
one
question:
maybe
you
can
just
help
me
understand
the
funding
for
the
you
go
back
to
the
last
slide.
We
have
the
community
participation
program,
then
we
have
the
name
neighborhood
priority
plans
and
what
what's
is
there
funding
associated
with
the
neighborhood
priority
plans
and
how
is
that
different
than
from
the
funding
for
the
cpp.
AJ
There
isn't
a
separate
funding
program
for
the
neighborhood
priority
plans.
What
it
does
allow
the
neighborhood
organizations
to
do
those,
so
they
would
take
it
out
of
their
allocation
that
they
get
through
the
community
participation
program
to
fund
them.
But
there
isn't
a
separate
pot
of
money
for
that,
so
they
do
have
to
set
aside
money
out
of
their
community
participation
program
fund
if
they
want
to
to
make
that
cpp
money
eligible
for
projects
that
are
other
than
community
engagement
and.
AJ
A
And
I
think
it's
the
funds
from
the
consolidated
district,
which
kind
of
inspired
this
conversation
here
today,
because
some
of
the
projections
there
was
going
to
be
increases
in
funding
and
then
there's
a
a
proposal
for
uses
of
those
funds.
Do
you
recall
what
the
intent
when
that
district
kind
of
got
reestablished
in
2011?
A
A
Other
questions
that
community
members
have,
I
don't
see
any-
maybe
we'll
have
some
questions
later,
but
part
of
what
we
wanted
to
do
today
was
get
comment
from
people.
So
we
did.
Let
folks
know
they'd
have
an
opportunity
to
make
comment,
so
we
could
hear
that
better.
I
do
know
that
when
we
approved
the
consolidated
tip
district
financing
to
neighborhoods,
we
did
say
that
the
support
will
go
to
neighborhood
revitalization
purposes,
that
was
with
small
n
and
a
small
r.
A
A
It's
just
framing
that
out
for
all
of
us
and
thinking
that
that's
what
we
all
have
a
common
understanding
about,
I'd
like
to
open
it
up
now
to
hear
from
from
some
residents,
and
actually
there
was
a
sign
up
sheet
for
this.
Oh
I'm,
sorry,
counselor
mcconnell
has
a
question
or
a
comment.
First,
thank.
AL
A
Okay,
any
other
clarifications
or
questions.
There's
a
there
was
a
sign
up
sheet
over
there
and
ten
people
have
signed
in
I'd
like
to
try
to
keep
the
comments
to
two
minutes.
Since
we
we
had
a
big
public
hearing
earlier,
so
we've
been
here
for
a
while
already
and
we
kind
of
set
this
flow
of
two
minutes
each
and
we
happen
to
have
the
timer
all
set
up
for
you.
So
if
you
can
keep
it
to
two
minutes,
that
would
be
greatly
appreciated.
A
AA
AA
Everything
was
put
on
hold
based
upon
the
decisions
that
the
council
was
making
at
the
time,
the
the
city
council,
and
that
was
where
we're
going
to
fund
nrp2
at
50
or
something
else
by
april.
We
knew
that
66
of
what
we
had
originally
been
earmarked
for
were
dollars
that
we
could
go
ahead
with,
and
so
we
had
to
keep
now
revise
the
plans
and
either
eliminate,
combine
or
reduce
funding
for
a
community
in
north
minneapolis
losing
541
plus
thousand
dollars
is
significant.
AA
However,
it
was
the
downtown
development
that
actually
triggered
what
happened
in
the
neighborhoods
talking
about
less
than
adequate
housing
for
the
original
nrp
plan.
So
I
am
asking
that
you
returned
the
funds
to
us
that
had
been
stripped
from
our
nrp2
plan
and
I
hope
you
have
a
clear
understanding
of
how,
even
though
we
earmark
dollars,
they
may
not
be
used
right
away.
I
have
several
of
thousands
of
dollars
that
are
earmarked
and
not
contracted
yet
because
we
are
thank
you,
we
are
planning
on
doing
future
projects.
Any
questions.
AM
AM
There
were
four
goals
and
robert
talked
about
them,
but
they
in
build
neighborhood
capacity,
redesigned
public
services
to
meet
neighborhood
needs,
increase
in
governmental,
intergovernmental
collaborations
and
creative
sense
of
community,
and
I
think
that
one
combined
find
very
good
examples
for
all
of
those.
I
know
you
all
know
a
great
deal
about
neighborhood
organizations.
AM
I
would
draw
your
attention
to
the
fact
that
an
evaluation
done
in
2002
on
the
first
phase
by
martin,
judith,
martin
and
pentel,
concluded
that
the
experiences
of
the
first
decade
will
continue
to
echo
through
city
politics,
as
well
as
through
neighborhood
landscapes
that
have
been
permanently
transformed.
The
neighbors,
too,
are
more
knowledgeable
and
involved
than
before
redesigning
public
services.
AM
I
don't
know
if
we
would
say
we
redesigned
them,
but
I
think
no
local
knowledge
has
resulted
in
projects
that
would
not
have
been
done
without
neighborhood
involvement,
we've
increased
inter
governmental
collaborations.
We
can
find
many
examples
of
those,
the
dnr
the
park
board
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
and
many
volunteers,
as
you
know,
have
worked
in
neighborhood
associations.
AM
AM
AN
AN
I
would
like
to
reflect
on
a
couple
of
other
matters
that
concern
neighborhood
organizations
and
that's
that
they
they
were
basically
created
by
nrp.
They
are
non-governmental
organizations,
which
is
it
puts
them
in
a
rather
curious
place
and
it
makes
them
responsible
to
their
membership
directly,
which
is
all
part
of
the
participative
and
grassroots
function.
AN
So
this
is
not
huge
amounts
of
money
and
it
creates
an
enormous
amount
of
goodwill
among
the
citizenry
and
it
gives
citizens
a
chance
to
participate
in
making
decisions
about
things
that
need
to
be
done
in
their
very
local
areas,
which
really
isn't
very
convenient
within
the
city
council
and
the
city
structure,
which
really
has
to
deal
with
with
much
bigger
issues.
So
my
plea
is
to
do
your
best
to
preserve
and
use
this
remarkably
powerful
grassroots
tool.
Thank
you.
AI
After
reviewing
the
neighborhood
community
relations
budget
and
the
mayor's
proposed
budget,
the
commission
has
held
a
special
meeting
back
on
the
12th
of
this
month
to
discuss
the
proposals
and
the
ways
that
it
impacts
the
senators
industry
of
minneapolis
and
I've
got
my
timer
here.
I
don't
want
to
get
gonged.
I'm
going
to
try
to
go
quick
here,
prepared
a
statement
that
we
will
make
available
to
you
that
is
directed
to
mayor
hodges,
as
well
as
chair
quincy
of
the
ways
and
means
committee
as
residents
and
representatives
from
every
part
of
minneapolis.
AI
We
share
these
goals
because
our
neighborhoods
are
where
we
will
succeed
or
fail
and
achieve
in
them.
Our
neighborhoods
are
where
we
all
live
work
and
play
every
day.
We
support
mayor
hodge's,
proposed
increase
in
funding
to
the
neighborhood
community
relations
department,
to
the
community
participation
program
and
to
the
one
minneapolis
fund.
AI
One
that
we
believe
is
a
commission
deserves
a
more
robust,
inclusive
public
process.
Until
then,
the
ncec
believes
that
funds
generated
by
the
consolidate,
consolidated,
tif
district
should
continue
funding
only
to
the
heart,
the
target
center
neighborhood
programs
and
the
ncr
administration.
We
know
there
is
much
program.
Progress.
Excuse
me
much
progress
to
be
made
towards
a
more
equitable
and
inclusive
city
that
welcomes
every
resident,
including
at
the
neighborhood
level.
The
cpp
program
is
still
quite
new
and
we
agree
that
we
must
work
to
increase
the
effectiveness
and
accountability
for
neighborhood
funds.
AI
Minneapolis
must
build
on
past
successes
of
neighborhood
organizations
to
address
today's
program
problems,
including
and
especially
racial
equity.
The
council
has
charged
ncec
with
establishing
community
engagement
policies,
increasing
participation,
broadening
representation
and
partnering
with
ncr
to
study
issues,
courses
of
action
policies
and
programs
regarding
the
cpp
policies
and
integrating
the
voices
of
residents
into
the
city's
decision-making
process.
AI
The
ncr
or
excuse
me,
the
ncec,
is
prepared
to
continue
our
partnership
with
the
ncr
for
a
robust,
inclusive
citywide
engagement
process
to
develop
program,
recommendations
for
for
the
city
council,
consistent
with
his
charge
for
investment
of
excessive
tif
district
funds
back
into
the
neighborhoods
and
community
to
help
achieve
the
city's
overarching
goals
and
strategic
objectives
together.
Neighborhoods
residents,
community
groups
and
the
entire
city
enterprise
can
address
these
dilemmas.
We
hope
to
do
this
together
with
the
mayor's
office
city
council
and
the
ncr
department
for
the
residents
of
minneapolis.
AE
Q
Q
I
would
urge
the
council
committee-
and
I
thank
chair,
gordon
for
holding
this
session.
I
would
ask
you
to
just
remember
the
adopted
principles
of
community
engagement
when
the
council
and
that
separate
ways
and
means
budget
subcommittee
is
contemplating
a
change
in
the
proposed
uses
of
the
consolidated
tiff
that
I
think,
a
more
robust
process.
Q
An
inclusive
public
process
is
essential
and
warranted.
In
that
case,
I
was
on
the
community
engagement
task
force
that
helped
to
shape
the
current
phase
of
the
city's
neighborhood
and
community
engagement
programming,
and
I
was
pleased
to
have
brought
in
the
principles
from
the
international
association
of
public
participation
which
the
council
adopted.
Q
Q
Continue
those
dedicated
investments
that
you've
continued
since
2011
that
have
carried
on
since
the
former
neighborhood
revitalization
program,
like
mr
gelatis
said,
and
as
councilmember
gordon
knows,
he
served
on
the
former
nrp.
I
was
on
the
former
nrp
policy
board,
the
last
nine
years
of
its
existence
and
I'm
currently
chairing
the
new
reconstituted
board.
Q
Lastly,
ncr
department
has
provided
background
to
the
council
committee,
which
has
completely
refuted
and
given
factual
basis,
to
dispel
this
concept
that
was,
in
the
star
tribune
article
about
16
million
dollars,
allegedly
sitting
around
out
in
the
neighborhoods.
As
you
know,
it's
not
sitting
around
it's
either
been
programmed
contracted
is
in
a
plan
that
has
been
approved
by
the
policy
board
and
the
council.
So
there
is
no
16
million.
Let's
just
dispel
that
rumor
that
no
16
million
sitting
idly
out
in
the
community,
so
I
really
appreciate
it.
Thank
you
very
much.
AO
Welcome
thank
you
very
much.
I
live
at
4124,
28th
avenue
south
in
ward
12.,
and
I
also
work
for
the
southeast
como
improvement
association
in
wards
one
and
two,
and
I
think
three,
although
sometimes
we're
confused
about
that,
I'm
here
to
talk
about
what
neighborhoods
neighborhood
organizations
do
in
in
our
community,
specifically
the
into
as
an
incubator.
AO
We
are
in
a
unique
situation
where
we
do
not
have
a
specific
agenda
that
is
linked
to
a
a
group
of
people
based
on
race
or
a
platform
political
or
agenda.
We
are
serving
a
small
group
of
people
and
in
that
we
have
the
opportunity
to
do
a
an
amazing
variety
of
programming
and
and
mentorship
in
that
in
that
role
this
last
year
we
worked
with
19
interns
from
the
university
of
minnesota
and
and
hamlin
university.
AO
AO
That
does
not
include
our
our
environmental
staff
that
we
that
we've
kept
on
since
the
days
when
we
were
getting
large
grants
and
and
more
dollars
from
from
nrp
those,
though
that
funding
disappeared
back
in
about
2008
2009
and
to
to
lose
more
more
funding
and
to
change
the
precedent
or
to
create
a
new
precedent
that
the
funding
that
was
going
towards
neighborhoods
now
goes
to
serve
other
other
needs
is,
is
unnerving
to
us
and
I'll
link
it
at
that.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
very
much.
AP
Good
afternoon,
council
members,
thank
you
for
this
opportunity.
My
name
is
kathy
spann,
I'm
the
executive
director
of
jordan
area
community
council,
I'm
representing
2900
fremont
avenue
north
suite
108
minneapolis,
minnesota
55411,
the
jordan
neighborhood
is
a
community
representing
the
widest
breadth
of
lifestyles
and
demographics
in
the
twin
cities,
metropolitan
area.
We
are
bordered
on
the
north
by
lowry,
avenue
on
the
east
by
emerson
avenue,
and
it
has
a
unique
border
on
the
south
and
west
by
west
broadway.
Jordan
is
mainly
a
residential
neighborhood
jordan,
as
we
like
to
call
it.
AP
AP
One
of
the
questions
that
I
remember
mostly
from
the
november
3rd
meeting,
actually
came
from
council
member
frey.
He
actually
wanted
to
know
what
type
of
plans
do
we
actually
have
and
do
we
do
particular
plans
or
things
initiatives.
I
would
say
I
can
tell
you
that
every
year
we
are
required
by
the
ncr
department
to
submit
a
cpp
plan
that
actually
actually
has
to
go
before
city
council
and
get
approved.
AP
We
are
required
to
submit
our
annual
annual
budgets
all
activities
that
we
have
done
throughout
the
year
and
we
also
do
an
annual
report,
the
themes
that
jordan
actually
undertakes.
We
focus
really
on
two
primary
primary
areas:
one
is
housing,
the
other
is
crime
and
safety,
and
we've
done
that
primarily
for
50
years.
Our
new
initiatives
that
we
have
taken
are
youth
initiative,
race
relations,
communications
and
listening
sessions
under
crime
and
safety.
We
actually
do
a
dirty
30..
AP
What
I
can
tell
you
is
that
sixty
percent
of
that
those
funds
are
allocated
and
they
have
not
actually
been
contracted,
but
we're
in
negotiations
right
now
for
center,
for
energy
and
environment
to
actually
implement
our
housing
programs.
The
remainder
of
that
funding
actually
is
going
towards
our
crime
and
safety
youth
initiatives,
and
we
do
have
plans
set
in
place
to
implement
those
strategies
as
well.
We
represent
7
000
people,
which
is
really
2
000
households
on
a
very
minimum
budget.
AP
What
I
really
do
is
encourage
you
to
return
the
funds
to
the
agency,
but,
more
importantly,
to
be
good
stewards
and
actually
continue
to
invest
in
minneapolis
communities,
because
that's
really
what
we're
asking
you
to
do.
The
money
is
not
idly
sitting
in
a
pool
somewhere.
The
money
really
is
allocated
for
other
initiatives
throughout
the
city
of
minneapolis,
so
we
do
encourage
you
to
invest
you're,
not
investing
in
agencies,
you're,
actually
investing
in
minneapolis
community
residents.
AP
AQ
AQ
Because
marcy
holmes,
in
my
opinion,
as
well
as
these
other
neighborhoods,
are
very
important
for
their
historical
and
what
they
have
contributed
all
over
the
years
that
I've
lived
in
the
city
and,
of
course,
I've
just
lived
in
marzi
homes.
So
that's
my
home,
so
I
would
just
like
to
also
just
to
remind
everybody
that
marcy
holmes
is
to
me
the
birthplace,
birthplace
of
minneapolis,
and
so
when
you're
making
decisions,
I'm
sure
jacob
will
follow
up
on
what
I've
just
said
and
you
everyone
else
will
do
the
same
thing.
Thank
you.
AQ
AR
Hi,
my
name
is
saralyn
rominishen
and
I've
been
involved
with
the
neighborhood
revitalization
committee
or
nrp
in
lowry
hill
east
for
almost
two
years.
Within
that
time
I
have
held
the
position
of
chair
and
I'm
currently
treasurer
of
the
committee.
I
am
also
a
lena
board
member,
I'm
standing
before
you
as
someone
with
in-depth
experience
regarding
the
nrp
and
cpp
funds.
At
the
beginning
of
my
involvement,
I
ask
questions
a
lot
of
questions.
AR
I
want
to
thank
robert
thompson
for
putting
up
with
my
pesky
inquisitiveness,
really
he
and
michelle
chavez
took
my
questions
and
went
above
and
beyond
and
answering
them
like
you.
I
wanted
to
understand
how
the
funding
for
our
neighborhood
works
where
it
comes
from,
and
how
to
utilize
this
money
for
the
best
interests
of
my
neighborhoods
residents
and
business
owners.
AR
AR
My
discovery,
a
complicated
structure
that,
although
it
encompasses
a
lot
of
red
tape,
has
highly
benefited
the
citizens
of
our
city,
a
well
of
funds
that,
with
neighborhood
planning
and
input,
can
benefit
our
citizens
in
both
the
short
and
long
term.
Now
some
neighborhoods
have
used
up
or
had
frozen
their
phase
1
and
phase
2
funds,
while
others
such
as
our
neighborhood,
have
remaining
funds.
AR
We
reinvested
for
the
future
for
those
neighborhoods
without
reinvested
funds,
cpp
or
phase
3
is
all
they
have,
which
makes
it
even
more
important
for
the
long-term
survival
of
those
neighborhoods
lena
is
currently
repositioning
our
funds.
There
was
a
public
vote
last
month
for
our
npp
plan
using
cpp
funds.
There's
a
public
vote
this
week
on
our
new
loan
program
to
benefit
all
of
the
property
owners
and
in
turn,
renters
in
our
neighborhood.
We
are
working
on
and
in
january,
we'll
have
a
public
vote
on
the
placement
of
our
remaining
phase.
AR
One
funds
balances
left
over
from
previous
excuse
me
projects
we
conducted
months
of
volunteer
research
and
outreach
to
provide
for
our
neighborhood's
welfare.
Please
trust
that
is
the
neighborhoods
that
best
understand
what
funding
and
projects
are
needed
for
high
quality
of
life
now
and
in
the
future.
These
funds
are
necessary
and
they
benefit
the
public
welfare
much
more
through
a
local,
hands-on
community
structure.
Thank
you.
AS
Thank
you,
mr
chair
and
council
members
good
afternoon,
so
I'm
here
before
you
guys
to
talk
about
this
issue,
so
I
appreciate
your
time.
Thank
you
specifically.
I
wanted
to
bring
up
that.
I
believe
that
using
the
revenue
source
that
we
currently
provide
money
to
our
neighborhood
associations
is
probably
best
use
if
used.
If
we
continue
to
support
our
neighborhood
associations
and
pay
down
our
debt.
AS
I
have
some
concerns
with
the
proposal.
The
proposed
budget
specifically
consolid
some
of
the
budget.
Excuse
me:
I
have
some
concerns
with
the
budget
that's
proposed,
and
that
has
to
do
with
acknowledging
that
the
consolidated
tiff
money
is
going
to
be
used
for
other
projects.
Other
departments,
I
do
acknowledge
that
there
would
be
a
two
percent
increase
in
the
budget
for
ncr,
and
I
also
acknowledge
that
that
would
go
towards
hiring
an
additional
staffer.
AS
Those
are
good
things
and,
while
I
do
view
that
hiring
two
communication
staff
persons
and
that
having
them
be
able
to
engage
with
community
members
that
are
non-english
community
non-english
speakers
is
a
good
thing
and
that
redevelopment
of
the
upper
harbor
terminal
is
also
a
positive
thing.
I'd
like
to
see
redevelopment
in
north
minneapolis,
I
don't
know
necessarily,
if
that's
a
good
thing,
if
we're
using
funds
from
the
consolidated
tif
district.
AS
So
that's
basically
my
biggest
concerns,
and
I
know
that
some
people
are
really
concerned
about
the
money
that's
already
been
allocated
to
the
neighborhood
organizations
and
whether
or
not
they'll
be
lost
funding
moving
forward.
So
I
think
that's
important
that
we're
having
this
conversation
when
we're
addressing
these
matters
currently
before
the
budget
hearing
that
we're
going
to
have
tomorrow
evening,
specifically,
I
want
to
just
re
reiterate
what
I've
already
said,
which
is
I'd
like
to
see
the
funds
from
the
consolidated
tip
district
continue
to
fund
our
neighborhoods
and
pay
down
your
debt.
AT
AT
We
request
that
all
funding
for
public
arts
commission
be
continued
at
2014
levels,
with
additional
funds
to
cover
increases
in
salaries
and
benefits
for
staff,
but
no
neighborhood
continues
to
do
things
that
the
city
cannot
do
with
volunteer
help.
Two
such
projects
include
our
somali
reading
program
where
immigrant
children
and
their
moms
can
practice
english.
AT
AT
AE
AE
The
other
thing
that
I
was
going
to
request
is
I've
noticed
over
the
past
years
that
very
few
neighborhood
organizations
include
persons
with
disabilities
and
what
I
mean
by
that
is
they
don't
have
committees
to
the
individual
neighborhoods
in
that
a
lot
of
people
use
committees
with
the
neighborhood
organizations
to
leave
thrive
in
the
politics
or
city
jobs.
I
believe
david
rubidor
is
a
prime
example.
I
believe
he
came
out
of
potterhorn
park,
neighborhood
association,
if
I'm
not
correct.
AE
AE
So
I'm
asking
the
city
to
suggest
and
not
mandate,
because
I
hate
mandates
because
that
usually
costs
money
somewhere
down
the
line,
but
I
would
suggest
I'm
asking
for
the
city
to
suggest
to
each
and
every
neighborhood
organization
to
at
least
consider
creating
a
committee
for
persons
with
disabilities
within
the
same
neighborhood
that
they
live
in.
I
do
recognize,
there's
a
city-wide
disabled
community
that
meets
downtown,
but
there's
a
lot
of
folks
in
the
whole
city
of
minneapolis
and
just
think.
AE
AU
AU
While
we
all
know
today's
topic
deals
with
neighborhoods
many
of
our
city,
many
in
our
city
may
be
unaware
of
the
value
of
all
of
the
work
that
their
neighborhoods
do
for
the
city
and
its
people.
We
do
inform
our
neighbors
of
important
happenings
and
represent
their
issues
and
interests
with
our
city,
most
especially
our
city
council,
in
matters,
for
example,
such
as
land
use
transportation
and
the
preservation
of
our
history
and
our
common
spaces,
like
parks
and
green
spaces.
AU
AU
Many
of
these
initiatives
require
funding
and
the
work
of
our
tireless
and
often
miraculous,
staff,
to
go
along
with
the
dedication
of
our
volunteers,
and
many
are
partnerships
with
business
and
the
city
spreading
the
benefits
to
the
economic
realms.
In
short,
I
am
saying
that
this
august
body
has
hurt
us
before
listened
to
us
and
trusted
our
desire
and
our
duty
to
serve
the
interests
of
our
neighbors
and
our
constituents.
AU
AV
AV
We've
responded
by
uniting
and
activating
the
people
who
are
most
affected
by
the
problem.
We've
put
these
residents
in
direct
collaboration
with
local
government.
Our
work
has
made
cities
services
more
effective
and
we're
starting
to
get
better
outcomes
for
residents
and
better
use
of
taxpayer
dollars
and
by
the
way,
this
is
part
of
our
work
in
our
neighborhood
priority
plan.
AV
I'm
here
today,
because
I've
been
doing
this
work
in
corcoran
for
10
years,
and
we
continue
to
leverage
every
city
dollar
five
times
over
I'm
here
today,
because
I
believe
every
minneapolis
resident
every
minneapolis
neighborhood
deserves
a
place
to
come
together
and
to
get
organized
and
the
capacity
to
do
it.
Well,
I'm
here
because
city
services
can
go
farther
when
this
sort
of
capacity
exists
at
the
most
local
level
of
all
the
neighborhood
level,
I'm
here,
because
I
believe
this
vision
is
within
reach
with
the
resources
we
have
today.
Thank
you.
AK
Good
afternoon,
chairman
gorman
and
gordon
excuse
me,
I'm
here,
I'm
the
executive
director
for
potterhorn
park,
neighborhood
association.
My
name
is
becky
tim
and
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
the
southside
united
neighborhoods
project.
We
are
a
collaboration
of
seven
organizations
which
represent
11
neighborhoods.
On
the
south
side,
we
had
sent
the
committee
a
letter
on
october
24th
and
I
just
wanted
to
speak
to
it
quickly
because
it
is
part
of
the
budgeting
process
about
an
evaluation
process
for
neighborhood
associations.
AK
We
have
two
points.
The
first
is
the
sun.
Neighborhoods
have
come
up
with
a
really
great
ideal
criteria
listing
for
neighborhood
associations
and
how
we
can
do
our
jobs
well
by
serving
the
communities
that
we
represent
and,
secondly,
to
advocate
to
the
committee
and
to
the
full
council
to
include
in
the
evaluation
process,
not
only
an
evaluation
of
neighborhood
associations,
but
it's
a
three-legged
stool
for
our
work
with
neighborhoods.
It
is
the
neighborhood
associations,
it's
the
ncr
department,
it's
the
ncec
commission.
AK
So
we
would
like
for
the
committee
to
advocate
for
us
to
really
look
at
the
broad
view
of
how
the
city
is
serving
neighborhoods.
The
ncr
department's
been
around
for
a
few
years,
so
it's
time
to
start
looking
at
their
effectiveness,
just
as
it
is
for
neighborhoods
and
for
the
commission.
So
thank
you.
AW
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
doran
clark.
I
live
at
1914
ulysses
street,
I'm
a
resident
of
windham
park
and
I
am
a
neighborhood
organization,
elected
member
of
the
neighborhood
and
community
engagement
commission.
Thank
you
for
having
this
discussion
this
afternoon.
Minneapolis
has
built
an
infrastructure
of
resident
involvement
through
many
devices,
including
neighborhood
organizations.
AW
Windham
park
is
funding
the
northeast
tool,
library,
which
will
allow
residents
to
more
easily
access
extremely
expensive
items
through
its
nrp
funding.
Logan
park
is
addressing
the
digital
divide
by
organizing
members
of
the
holland
senior
high-rise
to
ensure
that
wi-fi
can
be
accessible
all
things
that
neighborhood
organizations
are
doing
now
if
we
seek
to.
If
we,
if
you're
looking
to
change
the
definition.
AW
A
AX
Q
AY
Fellow
council
members,
my
name
is
shirley
heyer,
2426,
13th
avenue,
south
minneapolis.
I've
lived
in
that
midtown
phillips,
but
is
now
midtown
phillips.
Since
1971.,
I
would
like
to
speak
first
to
the
philosophy
of
how
nrp
was
founded,
and
I
see
there
is
a
great
gap
and
an
understanding
of
why
population
drop,
and
that
is
white
flight.
AY
I
worked
really
hard
for
collaborative
endeavors,
which
is
why
we
saved
two
park.
Buildings
reopened,
the
sears
building
added,
almost
a
half
million
dollars
in
housing
alone,
on
a
budget
of
1.4
million
for
those
10
years
that
collaboration
pretty
much
has
gone
away.
I
see
the
park
board
now
wants
to
re-establish
it
to
some
extent
in
their
new
plan
for
csas
within
the
districts,
but
it
has
caused
internal
fighting
and
we
need
a
stronger
city
staff
that
can
do
an
audit
that
should
take
six
months
that
took
three
years.
AY
We
are
basically
have
had
six
years
of
disruption
in
midtown,
phillips
and
we're
down
to
a
handful
of
not
representative
by
all
the
sources
of
people
on
the
board
and
the
board
makes
most
of
the
decisions
and
I'm
not
wanting
to
replace
those
people.
I
volunteered
to
do
being
an
organizing
facilitator,
based
on
my
experience,
to
get
our
housing
committee
going
and
we
are
having
a
huge
fight
which
is
good
about
what
it
means
to
be
representative
of
our
neighborhood
and
what
it
means
to
deal
with
housing.
AY
A
AZ
AZ
AZ
The
neighborhood
organizations
do
the
work.
The
city
does
not
have
the
time
and
staff
to
do.
We
have
helped
stabilize
improve
and
grow
our
city
by
investing
in
housing,
businesses,
safety
and
youth.
The
positive
trajectory
you
see
in
minneapolis
could
not
have
happened
without
neighborhood
organizations.
Please
do
not
further
limit
our
resources
to
make
this
work
possible.
AZ
A
AN
A
So
that
opens
it
up
for
us
to
have
some
discussion
really.
The
only
action
here
is
to
receive
and
file
the
report,
but
I
yeah,
I
think
it
might
be
healthy
for
us
to
discuss
it,
but
I
know
we're
probably
tired
after
such
a
long
afternoon
and
having
to
listen
to
it
so
much,
but
one
thing
did
strike
me,
so
maybe
there's
some
action
step
that
we
could
take.
A
I
think
there
was
a
clear
offer
from
the
ncec
commission
to
help
look
at
the
policy
and
help
think
about
this
in
the
big
picture,
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
irregardless
of
what
happens
with
this
year's
budget.
Our
projections
were
also
for
the
consolidated
district
to
bring
in
more
revenue
in
future
years,
at
least
if
it
keeps
performing
as
well.
It
is
as
it
is,
and
so
it
might
be
helpful
for
us
to
get
a
recommendation,
at
least
from
the
commission.
A
That
sounds
like
a
something
we
might
want
to
take
them
up
on,
and
maybe
you
can
think
about
that.
But
I
could
maybe
ask
mr
gruberdord:
is
that
something
that
the
ncr
department,
you
might
have
the
capacity
to
help
facilitate
some
kind
of
discussion
to
look
at
that
before
I
try
to
commit
or
direct
you
to
doing
extra
work
with
the
commission.
A
I
appreciate
that
committee
members.
Do
you
think
that's
a
good
next
step?
That
would
mean
they'd
be
coming
back
to
our
committee
with
some
recommendations
and
not
necessarily
by
the
end
of
the
year
or
anything
like
that,
because
I
think
they're
talking
about
a
robust,
city-wide
engagement
process.
That
would
help
so
we
know
that
those
do
take
time,
but
that
could
help
tee-up
discussions
for
the
future
council
member
bender.
Thank.
AH
You,
mr
chair,
I
think
that's
fine.
I
I
appreciate
all
the
testimony
I
wanted
to
just
reflect
a
bit.
You
know,
I
think
the
budget
process
is,
is
absolutely
a
policy
process
and
that
we
make
policy
through
our
budget
all
the
time,
and
so,
while
I
think
this
opportunity
for
community
engagement
was
very
helpful,
you
know
we
also
have
the
two
budget
hearings
coming
up,
and
I
know
that
myself
and
my
colleagues
are
always
open
to
hearing
from
our
constituents
as
we
make
a
lot
of
really
important
policy
decisions
through
the
budget.
AH
I
think
that
what
I
hear
is
a
huge
commitment
from
people
to
make
sure
that
the
decisions
that
we
make
reflect
the
needs
of
our
constituents,
and
I
know
that
we
all
share
that
goal.
I
think
there's
a
lot
that
out
there.
Cities
have
learned
from
what
we
have
done
and
there's
also
things
that
we
can
learn
from
other
cities.
I
know
new
york
city
is
doing
some
really
interesting
things
with
participatory
budgeting,
which
goes
directly
into
how
they're
spending
their
capital
budgets.
AH
So
you
know
for
me
it's
not
a
question
of
either
neighborhoods
or
the
city,
but
all
of
us
working
together
to
make
sure
that
we're
reaching
those
goals.
You
know-
and
I
would
note
that
we
are
actually
increasing
the
amount
of
funding
that's
going
to
neighborhood
organizations
this
year
and-
and
I
haven't
heard
any
of
my
colleagues-
talk
about
taking
away
any
funding-
that's
out
there
today.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chair
I'll,
be
hopefully
brief,
as
it's
been
a
long
meeting
first
off.
Thank
you
so
much
everybody
for
for
coming
out,
testifying
sharing
your
concerns
and
your
hopes
for
where
this
budgetary
process
goes
as
well
as
the
ideals
shared
by,
I
think,
most
all
of
the
neighborhood
associations.
You
know
neighborhoods
over
the
last
15
20
years
now
have
they
have
been
responsible
for
some
extraordinary
steps
that
we've
taken
in
our
city.
D
You
know,
obviously
you
know
just
a
couple
that
were
pointed
out
was
the
somali
reading
program
in
botnet,
which
I
know
has
I
have
personal
experience
with
is
is
just
tremendous.
You
know
emerald
ash,
borer
and
a
project,
that's
done
in
the
memory
of
kelly
phillips,
another
wonderful,
wonderful
project,
but
there
are
two
things
that
I
really
want
to
point
out.
I
hope
everybody
understands
very
well.
The
first
is
what
councilmember
bender
just
pointed
out,
which
is
that
the
funds
that
are
directly
allocated
to
neighborhood
associations
in
this
budgetary
cycle
are
increased.
D
D
This
is
the
only
department
in
our
entire
city,
where
we
account,
for
inflationary
reasons,
outside
of
things
that
have
general
commercial
flux,
so
like
asphalt,
asphalt,
there's
inflation
for
asphalt,
there's
no
direct
inflation
for
community
engagement,
but
we
still
found
that
three
percent
increase-
and
we
put
it
in
so
the
the
most
important
thing
that
I
want
to
emphasize
here
is:
is
there
there
is
an
increase?
The
second
piece
is
that,
while
there
are
things
that
neighborhood
associations
do
extremely
well,
there
are
other
things
that,
by
their
very
nature,
they
can't
do.
D
They
can't
do.
One
of
them
is
affordable.
Housing
for
the
affordable
housing
trust
fund
has
to
go
directly
through
the
city,
and
you
know
I
went
on
a
homeless,
shelter
tour
just
the
other
day,
and
I
saw
a
lottery
of
people
that
were
that
were
homeless
and
in
the
lottery
was
to
see
how
many
of
these
hundreds
of
men-
and
they
were
men
in
this
case-
could
get
bets
out
of
those
150
people.
D
We
could
only
give
about
nine
or
ten
beds
out
and
a
big
reason,
for
that
is
our
dearth
of
affordable
housing
in
the
city.
Right
now-
and
you
know-
as
we
look
forward
here
in
the
next
five
six
ten
years
and
as
the
the
tif
district
increases,
the
increment
increases
between
what
we
expected
to
get,
what
we
anticipated
that
we
were
gonna
get
and
what
we
are
now
getting.
D
D
So,
just
to
reiterate,
we've
got
an
increase,
that's
in
place
for
this
year,
three
percent
increase
and
then
down
the
line.
I
think
that
it's
important
that
we
then
continuously
check
up
on
every
single
one
of
our
city
departments
to
determine
how
they're
doing
and
to
make
sure
that
they're
operating
effectively
and
again.
Thank
you
so
much
for
coming
out.
A
Thank
you.
I
did
just
want
to
know
that
I
differ
a
little
bit
on
the
affordable
housing
issue.
I
think
lots
of
neighborhood
plans
have
invested
in
affordable
housing
and
supported,
affordable
housing,
although
I
appreciate
maybe
the
trust
fund
in
those
issues,
but
I
just
wanted
to
there's
a
way
to
nuance
that
so
before
people
have
a
big
just.
A
AL
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
so
I
want
to
thank
the
folks
from
ncec
who
are
here
who
have
expressed
interest
in
really
guiding
more
of
the
policy
discussions.
That's
exactly
what
we've
been
waiting
for.
I
think
that
I
appreciate
the
newness
of
this
conversation
in
terms
of
acknowledging
that
the
ncr
department
is
fairly
new
in
the
the
history
and
longevity
of
departments
in
the
city
and
ncec
as
well.
AL
As
policy
makers
about
you
know,
if
we're
gonna
invest
250
thousand
dollars
in
upper
harbor,
okay,
then
then,
where
are
the
two
hundred
thousand
two
hundred
fifty
thousand
dollars
for
the
midtown
farmer's
market
site
or
for
heart
of
the
beast
or
for
a
development
project
in
council
member
andrew
johnson's
word,
or
for
some
more
development
in
in
cam?
Gordon's
ward?
You
know
so
so.
AL
And
so
while
we
can
see
a
number
on
the
budget,
I
don't
see
the
systems
and
the
policy
discussions
and
the
relationships
backing
up
that
particular
direction.
So
I'm
not
opposed
to
seeing
tough
money
go
into
development
projects,
I'm
just
confused
about
how
we're
arriving
at
that
solution
without
the
involvement
of
our
partners,
our
community
members,
our
neighborhood
associations
and
so
forth.
So,
thank
you
all
for
taking
the
time
to
come
here
and
to
speak
out
on
this
issue.
I
know
it's
hard
to
track
all
the
things
that
we're
trying
to
move
inside
the
city.
Z
You,
mr
chair,
and
I
would
reiterate
what
councilmember
cano
has
said
about
the
precedent.
That's
before
us
and
kind
of
the
events
that
transpired
to
this
point.
I'm
looking
back
at
the
council
adopted
policy
related
to
this
tax
increment
financing
plan.
It
specifically
defined
neighborhood
revitalization
and
talked
about
the
intent
and
purposes
of
money
that
was
coming
in
off
of
this
tif
district
and
as
well.
It
acknowledged
that
that
definition
of
neighborhood
revitalization
can
change
and
will
probably
change
from
time
to
time,
as
the
council
decides.
Z
Z
I
think
it
makes
the
most
sense
to
approach
it
directly
and
to
take
up
if
there's
an
interest
in
using
this
money
for
something
other
than
what
was
really
defined
in
terms
of
the
neighborhood
revitalization.
Then,
let's
amend
this
policy.
Let's
bring
it
up.
Have
that
conversation
and
talk
about
what
is
an
appropriate
use
of
this
tax
increment
financing,
but
I
think
to
the
point
of
several
of
our
speakers
out
here.
Z
I
think
that
is
so
incredibly
important,
not
just
to
talking
with
council
members
and
among
your
board,
but
to
the
community
at
large
who
you
represent,
who
you
are
accountable
for
who
you
are
working
on
behalf
of
being
able
to
share
that
story
of
all
the
great
value
that's
being
added,
is
so
essential
and
I
couldn't
think
of
anything
more
important
to
recommend
to
every
single
neighborhood
association
to
do.
Thank
you.
A
I
think,
and
it
makes
complete
sense.
I
really
appreciate
all
the
comments
that
everybody
made
and
it's
very
thoughtful,
and
I
do
just
want
to
move
a
little
staff
direction
to
have
our
staff
work
with
ncec
on
developing
recommendations
for
future
expenditures
of
the
consolidated
tif
funds
for
neighborhood
revitalization
purposes.
A
So
is
that
step
clear
to
my
colleagues
here?
Okay,
but
then
I
think
I'll
ask
you
for
a
vote.
I'm
asking
for
a
vote
of
support,
but
you've
got
to
make
your
own
decisions.
All
those
in
favor
say:
aye
aye,
all
those
opposed,
okay,
that
step
direction
carries,
and
then
I
see
no
other
business
before
us.
So
this
meeting
is
adjourned.
Thank
you.