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From YouTube: August 3, 2015 City Planning Commission
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Minneapolis City Planning Commission Meeting
A
Good
afternoon,
I
will
call
to
order
the
august
third
meeting
of
the
Minneapolis
City
Planning
Commission
to
my
name
is
Matt
Brown
I
serve
as
president
of
the
Commission
I'm
joined
today
by
commissioners,
chron
zur,
slack,
looky,
Pierre
get
suleman
and
Forney.
Our
first
item
of
business
is
to
approve
the
actions
from
the
July
twentieth.
2015
meeting
may
have
a
motion
to
approve
those
actions.
A
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
all
in
favor,
and
that
motion
carries
next
time.
Item
of
business
is
to
organize.
The
agenda
will
go
through
the
agendas
which
are
available
in
the
hallway
and
determine
which
items
we
will
discuss
and
which
items
will
be
on
the
consent
agenda.
So
starting
at
the
top
item.
Number
one
is
a
partial
alley.
Vacation
in
the
vicinity
of
thirty
third
avenue
northeast
and
taylor
street
northeast
is.
B
A
Anyone
here
wishing
to
speak
in
opposition
to
or
modify
the
staff
recommendation
on
that
item
see
no
one
will
place
that
on
consent,
item
number
227,
20
university,
avenue
southeast-
that
is
a
rezoning.
Is
there
anyone
wishing
to
speak
in
opposition
to
or
modify
the
staff
recommendation
on
that,
seeing
no
one
we
will
put
item
two
on
consent.
A
A
C
A
C
A
Wishing
to
speak
in
opposition
to
or
modify
the
staff
recommendation
on
that
item
see
no
one.
We
will
put
that
on
consent
item
six
is
the
602
apartments
at
six,
oh
two
and
six:
oh
two
and
a
half
north
first
Street,
several
applications
related
to
a
new
multifamily
building
there.
So
anyone
wishing
to
speak
in
opposition
to
or
modify
the
staff
recommendation
on
that
item,
seeing
no
one.
We
will
put
that
on
consent
and
item
7
is
the
handicraft
building
City
Apartments
at
89
to
91,
tenth
Street,
south
and
1016
marquette
avenue.
A
We
will
discuss
items
up
so
our
agenda
as
amended
is
that
items
1
2,
3,
4,
5,
&
6
will
be
on
consent
and
we
will
discuss
item.
Seven
mistress
may
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
agenda
as
amended
all
in
favor,
and
that
motion
carries
our
next
item
of
business
is
to
consider
the
committee
of
the
whole
consent
agenda
from
the
july.
Twenty
third
meeting
of
the
committee
of
the
whole
commissioner
slacked
your
report
from
that
meeting.
Thank.
D
E
A
Right
and
I
will
take
that
as
a
motion
to
find
that
sale
to
be
consistent
with
the
comprehensive
plan
do
I
have
a
second
all
in
favor
and
that
motion
carries
our
next
item
of
business
is
to
move
on
to
the
public
hearing
portion
of
our
meeting.
First
I
will
open
the
public
hearing
on
the
items
on
the
consent
agenda,
that
is
items
1,
2,
3,
4,
5
and
6.
Is
there
anyone
wishing
to
speak
on
any
of
those
items?
A
F
If
I
could
just
interrupt
quickly,
you
have
a
an
item
that
was
submitted
today,
an
email
message
that
is
incorrectly
stapled
within
your
items
for
item
number.
Six
on
this
item,
I
via
a
person
who
drafted
the
email
is
here
to
speak
also,
but
I
wanted
to
be
aware
that
that
material
is
in
your
packet.
Thank
you.
C
G
G
So,
just
to
quickly
review
the
applications,
they
are
seeking
a
variance
to
reduce
the
drive
I'll
with
from
22
feet
down
20
feet,
and
that
is
in
the
portion
of
the
building
that
crosses
over
the
alley.
There
are
three
parking
spaces
and
to
loading
spaces
that
use
that
alley
to
maneuver,
and
since
it
is
public
right-of-way
and
they
need
a
variance
down
2-0,
they
have
a
variance
to
reduce
that
South
interior
side
yard
setback
from
15
feet
down
to
one
foot
that
is
for
the
building
wall.
G
Then
is
this
dark
line
here
and
then
there's
green
space
in
this
location
and
this
dark
line
is
done.
The
retaining
wall
that
leads
to
the
underground
parking
area
for
WCCO,
which
is
the
adjacent
property
on
this
side
of
the
of
the
site,
but
they
are
going
to
want
to
speak
to
you
about
I.
Think
modifying
me,
the
approval
or
the
action
on
that
one
item
on
your
agenda:
maintaining
the
building
wall
at
one
foot,
but
allowing
balconies
to
be
within
two
inches
but
I'll.
G
Let
them
speak
more
to
that
and
then
you
had
site
plan
review
and
then
on
vacation
of
air
rights
over
a
portion
of
the
alley
and
one
stipulation
from
Public
Works
was
that
they
obtain
letters
of
support
from
the
to
property
owners
on
WCCO
and
target,
which
are
the
only
other
to
property
owners
on
this
block.
Since
it
does
dead
end
and
they
are
baking,
the
airings
we
have.
They
have
obtained
those
letters
in
there
in
your
packets,
so
Public
Works
is
ready
to
move
forward
with
a
letter
for
the
City
Council
action.
H
G
Right
to
the
third
condition
of
7c
talking
about
generators
in
the
site
plan
review,
there
is
generators
and
transformers
back
in
this
location.
They
are
upwards
of
nine
feet
in
height.
Those
are
located
just
a
couple
feet
off
of
the
property
line,
the
landscaping
that
they're
proposing
there
doesn't
screen
those
and
the
retaining
wall
that
WCCO
has
on
that
property
line,
isn't
tall
enough
just
screen
those
and
so
we're
recommending
that
they
adjust
the
screening
or
the
landscaping
of
those
items.
G
Some
of
that
equipment
may
be
going
away
after
some
subsequent
conversations
with
excel,
but
that
again
is
not
no
one,
or
at
least
I
am
not
aware
of
that.
The
outcome
of
that
meeting
with
excel
at
this
time,
but
we
are
recommending
a
more
appropriate
screen,
is
that
would
be
visible
from
the
public
right-of-way
and
also
the
plaza
the
WCCO
has
at
that
corner.
G
C
G
It
there
we
go
I
will
not
like
there.
I
will
look
there
so
that
you
can
see
that
the
base
of
the
building
is
not
brick.
It
is
they've
got
a
three
foot
on
course
of
brick
at
the
base,
but
then
it's
get
it.
Then
it
converts
to
the
Efus
up
above
and
for
consistency
on
the
base
that
the
building
staff
is
recommending,
as
you
see
in
condition
number
five
that
the
two-story
base
of
the
building
be
all
brick.
G
This
is
also
the
wall
that
would
be
opposite
of
the
existing
handicraft
guild
building,
which
is
a
historic
landmark
in
that
building,
is
all
brick,
and
so
it
would
be
more
consistent
with
the
the
feel
of
that
of
that
building
too
I
mean
so
specifically
to
go
through
the
condition
about
the
Efus,
material
and
I
know.
We
did
have
a
conversation
about
the
set
at
committee
of
the
whole,
we're
not
recommending
that
this
building
material
be
used,
especially
on
a
building
of
this
size
and
this
height
in
this
scale.
G
G
We
did
obtain
a
list
of
four
buildings
from
the
applicant
in
Minnesota
that
have
used
the
specific
product
through
the
buildings
are
in
Rochester.
One
of
the
buildings
is
in
Mankato,
one
is
the
h3
Plaza
building
a
Rochester.
It
was
built
in
2014,
it's
a
new
seven
story
office
building,
then
there's
the
homewood
suites
and
Rochester,
and
the
residence
inn
and
then
the
hilton
garden
inn
in
mankato,
one
of
the
hotels
was
built
in
2004,
one
was
constructed
in
2007
and
then
two
of
those
four
buildings
were
constructed
in
2014.
G
All
of
those
buildings
range
in
height
between
six
and
eight
stories
in
2012,
more
recently
see
pad
in
conjunction
with
the
Planning
Commission
drafted
the
guide,
texture,
building
walls
and
materials,
where
many
conversations
were
had
about
materials
and
exteriors
of
buildings,
not
just
specifically
materials,
but
windows
and
fenestration,
and
recesses
and
project
shenzhen,
blank
walls
and
whatnot.
But
the
guy
does
have
does
list
what
materials
are
acceptable
and
which
ones
are
not
acceptable.
Based
in
durability
and
compatibility
in
the
urban
environment,
an
eephus
is
not
one
of
the
materials
listed
on
that
in
that
guide.
G
G
A
C
A
J
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
Sean
zimny
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
village
green,
who
is
the
developer
and
future
owner
of
this
project
downtown
here.
Minneapolis.
We're
excited
to
be
here
once
again
before
you
adding
to
the
downtown
skyline,
adding
to
the
2025
plan,
all
the
theories
of
what
Minneapolis
has
to
give
and
everything
that
can
go
forward
from
there.
J
We
are.
We
are
in
discussions
with
the
existing
neighbors,
which
is
WCCO
and
target
for
a
few
things
that
we're
working
through
in
terms
of
logistics
and
stuff,
like
that
it
is
a
tight
site.
We
understand
that
we
believe
it's
one
of
the
better
sites
in
the
city.
Therefore,
it
requires
a
lot
of
discussions
and
going
forward
with
that.
J
We
expect
still
to
have
continued
dialogue
with
those
two
firms
for
those
two
entities
in
order
to
get
through
to
what
we
need
to
be
able
to
start
construction,
hopefully
with
the
approval
by
the
board
today
and
here
with
a
few
different
consultants
and
attorneys.
That
will
be
here
to
be
able
to
answer
any
questions
you
guys
may
have
relative
to
the
specific
items
that
are
on
the
table.
J
A
K
C
A
H
Evening,
mr.
chair
members
of
the
Commission,
my
name
is
Mike
rich
with
bkv
group.
Were
the
architects
on
the
project.
Our
address
is
222
north
second
street
minneapolis.
I
wanted
to
start
out
in
general,
we're
we're
in
agreement
with
most
of
the
items
on
the
report,
but
there
are
three
items
that
I
did
want
to
discuss
in
a
bit
more
detail,
and
so
the
items
relate
to
the
south
side
variance.
H
The
second
item
would
be
the
brick
being
added
on
the
courtyard
side
on
the
west
side
and
then
the
last
item
I
want
to
address
is
the
Efus,
so
I'll
just
start
the
south
side
variance
here
and
we
had
mistakenly
show
on
the
the
balcony
on
this
side.
We
had
always
show
on
the
balcony
throughout
our
entire
process,
but
we
had
mistakenly
showing
it
over
the
property
line,
so
we
are
pulling
it
back.
So
it's
within
our
property
line
and
we
are
looking
to
hold
that
within
two
inches
of
the
property
line.
H
H
Think
I'll
start
here
with
the
South
elevation
I
think
we're
where
the
point
makes
sense
related
to
what
Hillary's
bringing
up
is
related
to
the
locations
I'll
here,
I'll
move
it
up
all
right.
Really,
it
mainly
has
to
do
I
believe
with
the
South
elevation,
where
the
these,
this
two-story
level
is
visible
from
the
public
eye
from
the
public
street
sides,
and
so
on.
The
north
side
and
on
the
east
side,
were
the
two
stories
of
brick
for
the
entire
elevation.
H
This
is
a
non-primary
facade,
it's
not
visible
from
the
public
and
the
the
design
is
is
just
different
in
in
a
number
of
different
ways
and
again
the
fact
that
it's
not
visible
from
any
of
the
sides
really.
We
think
this.
This
makes
sense
in
that
it
is
compatible
with
the
other
sides
that
we're
carrying
the
same
materials,
the
Efus
panels
in
this
location,
that
the
windows
do
come
down
and
we're
extending
the
mondrian
pattern
down
on
the
facade
in
this
area.
H
H
H
It
says
the
the
list
of
authorized
materials
is
subject
to
further
review,
as
industry
standards
evolve
and
I
think
we
went
to
great
lengths
to
really
show
how
this
product,
in
the
specific
product
that
we're
using
from
stole
from
the
Stoke
corporation
and
queen
city,
is
an
evolved
product
from
from
the
Efus
panels
of
yesteryear,
so
highlighting
that
today's
Aoife
systems
for
high-res
buildings.
It's
a
consist
of
shop
fabricated
components
instead
of
site
built
systems,
typically
used
for
a
single
family
in
small
commercial
projects.
H
The
proposed
Aoife
system
consists
of
encapsulated
panels
that
prevent
any
water
intrusion
through
the
building.
The
stow
guard
moisture
barrier
continuous
sheeting
is
we
returned
around
the
stealth,
steel,
stud
edges
and
the
edges
of
the
flanges,
ensuring
that
the
panel
is
watertight.
There's
actually
two
barriers
as
a
part
of
the
system
and
again
Aaron
went
into
this,
but
I
just
want
to
talk
about
it.
H
The
Efus
system
for
this
project
has
all
the
quality
and
water
tightness
controlled
through
a
single
source.
The
panel
fabricator
again,
then
we're
not
relying
on
multiple
trades,
which
is
then
typical
of
some
of
these
failures
in
the
past
they're
also
doing
the
installing
so
they're,
not
only
manufacturing
it
in
the
plant
they're
doing
the
installing
and
they're
doing
the
final,
cocking
and
ceiling
of
all
the
joints
as
well.
So
it's
a
single
source
at
every
spect
of
the
of
the
construction.
H
But
these
panels
are
multi
stories
in
height
as
well,
and
so
that
limits
the
joints
as
well
and
so
again
in
its
it
is
related
to
high
rise
construction.
It's
specific
to
this
type
of
project
in
the
fact
that
it
is
18
stories
and
so
we're
again
minimizing
any
components
related
to
that.
The
other
considerations
of
why
we're
using
this
project
and
probably
why
we
think
it
makes
sense,
are
also
design
related
and
again.
We
think
this
is
actually
very
compatible
with
the
urban
environment.
H
Stucco
is
one
of
the
projects
products
that's
listed
and
again
from
an
aesthetic
point
of
view.
We
see
this
as
being
very
compatible
with
that
material
as
well
as
precast
is
and
other
material.
So,
from
an
aesthetic
point
of
view,
it'll
be
hard
to
distinguish
this
product
from
those
projects
in
products
that
you
see
in
the
urban
environment
and
we're
using
this
also
in
specific
ways
from
an
aesthetic
point
of
view
in
terms
of
the
the
design
we're
choosing
this
product,
specifically
for
numerous
reasons
for
its
durability
method
at
constructability.
H
Additionally,
we
are
using
high
contrasting
colors
of
white
and
charcoal
that
are
not
traditionally
used
with
this
product
to
further
create
distinction
for
this
project
as
a
fresh,
contemporary
and
timeless
design
solution.
Again,
we
think
we're
elevating
this
to
a
much
different
quality
than
what
may
have
been
seen
around
town,
and
it
is
specific
to
this
particular
site
in
terms
of
the
look
I
guess
well,
I,
guess
to
end
the
other
components
related
to
this.
H
We
we
had
asked-
and
we
still
would
like
to
open
this
up
to
you,
one
of
the
things
that
we
are
going
to
add
our
the
weep
systems
at
the
bottom
of
the
panels.
We
had
asked
that
maybe
that's
a
condition,
but
we're
going
to
be
doing
that
as
in
it
really
is
just
belts
and
suspenders
related
to
the
quality
of
the
product
and
then.
H
Secondly,
if
you
wanted
to
add
this
as
well,
we
went
through
the
demonstration
of
the
protective
coating
surface
for
this
panel,
which
allows
the
the
product
to
be
self
cleaning,
and
so
we'd
be
open
to
that.
If
you
want
to
provide
that
as
a
condition
and
again
that
provides
again
for
a
maintenance-free
self-cleaning
exterior,
so
we'd
be
open
to
that
I
guess.
Lastly,
then
there
was
an
article
put
in
your
package
that
that
Hillary
had
provided
in
it.
H
Really
it
was
a
article
related
to
Efus
issues,
and
we
have
the
author
with
us
who
wrote
that
article.
His
name
is
Pat
O'connor
and
he
he's
with
the
fakery
and
I'd
like
him
to
mention
a
few
words
on
that
article
as
well,
that
he
wrote
thank
you
and
then
I'm
available
for
any
questions
after
he
speaks
as
well.
If
you
have
any
questions.
C
B
B
It
is
really
somewhat
irrelevant
to
this
particular
issue
and
if
written,
it's
really
kind
of
set
forth
in
the
first
paragraph
of
the
article
I
mean
the
problem
with
'if
Efus
is
really
suitability
more
so
than
you
know,
an
inherent
defect
in
the
product
itself
and
its
really
when
you
apply
it
to
wood
frame
construction,
that's
when
it
becomes
a
problem.
Otherwise
it
really
doesn't
have
too
much
difference
in
performance
than
curtain
wall.
You
know
winning
in
commercial
structures
and
in
fact
it
was
used
and
has
been
used
successfully
in
Europe.
I
B
You
know,
since
the
reconstruction
of
after
World
War
Two,
so
you
know,
as
I
pointed
out
in
the
article
it
says
you
know
more.
Moreover,
the
use
of
efus
on
old
world
structure
buildings
did
not
create
many
problems,
as
most
of
these
structures
were
constructed
of
stone,
concrete,
brick
and
other
similar
durable
materials.
B
A
C
K
Good
afternoon
mr.
chair
members
of
the
Planning
Commission,
my
name
is
Peter,
Coyle
are
cut
off,
and
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
CBS
and
WCCO
I'm
joined
this
afternoon
by
an
Willett
who
manages
the
real
estate
for
CCL
at
its
property
on
marquette
avenue,
the
email
that
mr.
Wittenberg
noted
for
you
sets
out
a
couple
of
points
that
I
just
want
to
reiterate.
Briefly,
for
the
sake
of
the
record,
my
comments
aren't
directed
to
the
project
itself.
K
That's
the
job
of
staff
and
you
all
in
terms
of
deciding
how
how
to
condition
its
approval
or
not,
but
I
do
have
some
very
specific
concerns
with
respect
to
the
southern
setback.
That's
being
sought
and
I
need
to
reserve
our
opposition
to
that
setback.
Variance
for
a
couple
of
reasons
that
will
make
clear
first
is
for
us
at
least
still
unresolved
concerns
about
how
construction
will
be
accomplished
on
the
south
wall
and
what
the
impacts
of
that
construction
will
be
on
an
existing
fiber-optic
line,
which
is
really
the
brain.
K
The
brain
center,
if
you
will
for
the
media
distribution
for
the
WCCO
building
and
how
that
will
be
protected
damage,
is
part
of
construction
and
then
secondarily
and
related
to
that
is
the
impact
of
construction
technique
on
the
parking
ramp
that
accesses
the
WCCO
building
from
the
east
side
and
likewise,
the
parking
ramp.
The
parking
deck
itself.
We've
had
conversations
with
the
applicant
about
ideas
that
they're
pursuing
and,
and
we
respect
that
they're
pursuing
those
in
good
faith.
K
But
we
don't
yet
have
an
answer
to
the
questions
that
we've
been
posing
to
them
about
how
the
construction
of
this
project
will
adversely
potentially
adversely
affect
existing
operations
and
structural
integrity
of
the
fiber
line,
as
well
as
the
parking
structure
itself
and
then
the
third
item,
which
frankly
hadn't
really
come
up
in
our
discussions
until
today.
When
the
question
of
the
of
the
the
balcony
overhang
issue
surfaced
and
that's
just
a
practical
liability
question.
K
As
has
been
noted,
the
placement
of
the
of
the
overhang
for
the
balconies
will
essentially
be
on
the
property
line,
which
means
you
can
imagine.
There
will
be
people
on
a
beautiful
summer
night
like
we're
going
to
have
tonight,
setting
out
on
those
balconies
overhanging
with
something
or,
if
not
their
body,
some
other
device,
like
maybe
even
a
drink,
and
what
happens
when
an
accident
occurs.
K
K
We
want
no
responsibility
whatsoever
for
any
liability
that
could
be
associated
with
that
and
and
while
the
city
can
accommodate
that
on
its
public
rights
away,
because
you've
got
statutory
immunities
that
protect
your
exposure,
CBS
does
not
have
that
kind
of
protection.
We
can
try
to
address
it
through
contract
to
few
easements
on
the
like,
but
but
we
still
have
a
fundamental
exposure
to
a
claim
from
a
claimant,
an
injured
person
of
damage
to
property
and,
frankly,
that's
become
in
our
mind
at
least
potentially
a
bigger
issue
than
the
other
two
issues.
K
I
expressed
you
because
none
of
us
is
smart
enough
to
know
how
that's
going
to
play
out
in
one
year
or
five
years
or
ten
years.
So
I
need
to
note
that
as
third
concern
that
relates
to
the
set
back
issue
that
will
continue
about
conversations
about,
but
for
now
we
would
respectfully
object
to
the
variance
until
we
can
resolve
those
questions
and
they're
serious
for
us.
B
K
K
A
E
Gissel
men
I
just
had
a
question.
Maybe
a
couple
questions
the
first
one
or
they're
both
for
staff,
but
it
really
relates
to
this
comment
that
this
gentleman
just
made,
which
is
I'm
kind
of
curious
about
regarding
the
overhang
of
the
balconies,
all
the
way
to
the
property
line
at
CCO
and
the
liability
that
stems
from
that
I
mean
I
feel
like
that.
Isn't
something
that
I've
heard
before
this
commission
before
and
so
I'm
just
curious
from
a
staff
perspective.
Is
that
then
a
concern?
F
Commissioner
Gilman
da
planning,
commissioners
I
think
that's
the
first
time,
I've
heard
that
specific
concern
in
the
context
of
a
setback,
variance
or
proximity
of
one
building
to
another
building
I
mean
I,
guess.
Ultimately,
we
aren't
able
to
answer
specific
scenarios
here
about
what
might
happen
and
who
bears
responsibility
for
some
sort
of
accident.
But
ultimately
you
have
to
decide
whether
evidence
has
been
presented
to
you.
F
That
speaks
one
way
or
another
to
the
variance
findings
related
to
having
an
injurious
effect
on
the
neighboring
property
when
it
comes
to
the
specific
variance
request-
and
you
just
note
for
variance
number
two-
also,
the
agenda
references,
the
one
foot
so
you're
now
being
asked
to
bury
beyond
that.
So
during
any
motion
you
want
to
consider
that
as
well.
A
L
M
G
Another
recent
example
where
it
was
the
situation
was
somewhat
addressed,
was
the
sexton
bullying
and
then
the
building
next
door
that
is
under
construction
currently
and
how
close
those
two
buildings
are
from
their
interior
shared
property
line,
but
because
they're
sprinkled
the.
I
believe,
that's
how
you
can
build
closer
under
the
building
code.
So.
M
If
they
just
did
for
some
reason,
they
decided
in
the
future
to
build
right
up
against
the
property
of
duty,
two
inches
away
from
their
balcony
or
or
window
depending
on
whatever
it
is
it
their
variances.
For
here
we're
not
going
to
hear
from
the
residents
of
this
building
that
is
injurious
to
their
use
of
their
property,
since
her
window
is
now
blocked
by
a
wall
two
inches
away,
or
is
that
telling
then
that
would
have
an
effect
on
whether
or
not
we
would
grant
permission
for
them
to
build
up
to
the
property
line.
I.
G
L
G
E
Get
something
I
just
had
another
question
for
Hillary,
and
this
is
really
regarding
four
and
five
under
the
site
plan
review.
If,
if
this
group
approved
the
use
of
efus,
would
that
affect
the
staff
recommendation
regarding
the
primary
material
on
the
Lord
two
stories
having
to
be
brick
on
all
four
sides?
Oh.
G
I'm
from
a
staffs
perspective,
we
felt
that
it
should
be
brick,
regardless
of
what
the
Commission
did
with
thee
I'm,
with
condition
number
four
I'm
to
make
that
ground
level
or
the
base
of
the
building
consistent.
You
know
they
were
trying
to
break
it
into
a
basement
on
top
and
soda,
maintain
consistency
on
all
four
sides
of
the
base
of
the
building.
We
are
recommending
brick.
C
A
A
F
Wittenberg,
and
also
if
we
could
just
clarify
whether
we're
recommending
a
variance
step
to
one
foot
or
two
inches
or
some
other
number,
and
we
may
want
to
specify.
Perhaps
the
applicant
can
help
us
with
this-
the
applicants
architect,
if
we
want
to
differentiate
between
a
building
wall
and
a
falcon
wall,
for
example,
that
would
be
may
be
appropriate.
Yes,.
L
Good
evening,
commissioners,
on
Gretchen
camp
222,
north
second
street,
so
I
think
that
the
language
would
say,
recommendation
recommended
motion
approval
of
the
variance
application
to
reduce
the
south
interior
yard
setback
from
15
feet
to
one
foot
for
the
building
wall
and
22
inches
for
the
balcony
facing
the
property
line.
I
think
you
would
get
rid
of
the
residential
windows
to
me
seems
confusing.
You
could
keep
that
in
there
I
think
the
word
wall
might
be
more
appropriate
for
the
one
foot
and
balcony
42
inches.
A
C
C
D
C
E
The
reason
for
my
support
of
the
use
is
that,
as
as
Hilary
mentioned,
as
staff
mentioned,
we
had
a
cow
meeting
on
july
ninth
and
I
think
that
most
of
us
most
of
us
were
at
that
meeting,
and
I
think
that
there
was
a
mostly
mostly
compelling
presentation
made
regarding
both
the
durability
and
I
think
the
water
intrusion
aspects
of
efus
as
a
material
to
be
used
in
this
case
and
I
guess.
Might
the
impression
that
I
got
at
that
meeting
was
that
staff
was
looking
for
kind
of
more
of
a
concrete.
E
Position
from
this
group
and
I'm
not
sure
that
we
actually
took
the
timer
had
the
time
at
that
lengthy
meeting
to
kind
of
give
more
of
of
a
position
from
our
standpoint
in
that
regard.
But
what
I
was
gathering
for
my
fellow
commissioners
is
that
I
felt
like
we
were.
We
were
moving
towards
the
idea
that
perhaps
if
there
was
a
time
to
support
the
trial
use
of
this
or
the
use
of
this
of
this
of
this
product
that
this
project,
maybe
it.
H
E
I
think
that
some
of
the
some
of
the
presentation
and
some
of
the
remarks
that
we
heard
that
they
were
echoed
here
today
by
the
applicant
and
to
me
I
mean
we
have.
We
have
other
examples
here
in
Minnesota.
One
of
them
is
a
10
year
old
project
and
I
guess
you
know,
I'm
not
sure
what
the
benchmark
is
as
far
as
when
enough
years
have
gone
by
in
an
existing
project
using
this
material
for
us
to
decide.
That's
enough
time
now
we
can
base.
You
know
our
decision
to
move
forward
with
it.
E
However,
I
think
that
I
think
that
I
would,
I
would
add,
then
an
additional
condition.
That
would
say
if,
if
the
applicant
is
going
to
use
Efus
that
they
would
add
the
weep
system
that
the
applicant
talked
about
today
and
was
described
to
us
back
at
the
cow
meeting,
and
that
also
that
the
product
would
be
the
the
self-cleaning
variety
as
described.
A
N
You
know
I'm
reticent
to
agree
to
that,
but
I
think
I
am
interested
in
seeing
a
pilot
project
of
this
happen
to
me
that
the
differences
between
the
Cephas
product
and
maybe
the
old
Aoife
systems,
are
it's
shot
for
advocated
and
brought
out
finished
on
a
truck.
It
does
bring
a
lot
of
details
into
a
single
trade
and
it
fundamentally
is
different
than
some
five
gallon
buckets
and
a
guy
up
on
a
scaffolding.
So.
M
I
guess:
I'm
a
I
echo
part
of
moisture
Conger
sentiment
in
that
I'd
hate
to
see
this
set
of
president
without
seeing
what
this
means
for
the
larger
urban
context.
I
will
not
be
supporting
the
motion,
though,
because
I
I
believe
our
requirements
that
it
has
to
be
not
only
durable
about
compatible
with
the
urban
context
and
I
think
the
statement
that
stucco
is
compatible
with
eephus
and
that
it's
hard
to
distinguish
the
two
is
completely
false.
M
I
mean
I,
think
anybody
can
take
a
look
at
two
buildings
and
tell
instantly
what
does
eephus
and
what
is
stucco
if
anything
from
the
details
and
way
it's
finished
so
I
think
it
has
a
distinctly
different
vocabulary
and
feel
to
it
than
stucco
and
and
so
I
act
in
fact,
I
think
of
it
as
a
very
suburban
material
and
very
antithesis
of
urban.
In
addition,
I
feel
as
though
how
its
evolved,
the
the
speaker
that
was
at
cow,
specifically
stated
that
as
a
material
hasn't
evolved,
it's
the
same.
M
M
Yet
I
was
down
in
Rochester
and
did
look
at
two
of
the
sites
in
question
and
was
underwhelmed,
so
perhaps
had
it's
also
influencing
my
decision
on
this
I'd
hate
to
see
a
whole
city
of
Minneapolis,
built
with
Eva
suit
black
character,
which
I
think
is
very
important
in
the
urban
context.
So
I
will
not
be
supporting
that
I
think
that
it
would
be
important
for
that
not
to
be
the
primary
in
this
case
almost
entirely
building
material
for
the
product
project.
Thank
you.
There.