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From YouTube: October 20, 2016 Ways & Means Budget Hearing(Afternoon)
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Minneapolis Ways & Means Budget Subcommittee Meeting
A
Good
afternoon
it's
the
continuation
of
Public
Safety
day
at
the
budget
hearing,
so
we're
going
to
have
this
afternoon's,
will
start
off
and
have
the
fire
department
present
the
mayor's
recommended
budget
for
that
department,
and
we
can
begin
at
your
leisure,
Fire,
Chief
John
Friedel.
Are
you
going
to
be
doing
the
presentation
whenever
you're
ready?
You
can
begin.
B
Thinking
good
afternoon,
chairman
Quincy
appreciate
committee
members.
Don't
remember
again
thanks
for
your
opportunity
for
us
to
come
and
present
the
2017
recommended
budget.
I
will
go
through
the
budget
fairly
quickly
and
if
there's
there's
questions
that
a
committee
may
have
I'll
be
more
than
happy
to
stop
and
answer
any
questions
that
you
may.
C
B
Starting
out
the
page,
one
with
the
department
organization,
it's
been
fairly
cousin's
consistent
throughout
the
years
with
the
ACC
five
divisions
that
we
do
have
an
operation:
administrative
division,
engineering,
obviously
finance
and
a
liaison
to
the
web
inspection
services.
My
our
Fire
Marshal,
which
is
at
this
time,
staff
with
their
administrative
assistant
chief,
the
in
summary
of
our
2017
budget.
It's
we
have
the
same
programs
that
we
had
in
the
past.
We've
got
primarily
three
main
programs:
it's
fire
suppression,
EMS,
a
tactical
rescue,
training
and
recruitment,
and
community
Risk
Reduction
education
and
outreach.
B
Those
are
pretty
much
sustained,
consistent
programs
we've
had
for
the
last
three
years
and
2016
we
had
a
budget
of
approximately
62
million
dollars
in
2017
recommended
budget.
There's
been
a
slight
increase
of
about
four
percent
to
roughly
65
65
million
dollars
over
the
previous
year.
We
do
have
a
couple
change
items
that
are
a
review
going
forward
and
totaling
about
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
one-time
money
in
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
porn
thousand.
Excuse
me
an
ongoing
and
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
one-time
funding
quickly
going
through
our
core
programs.
B
Obviously,
fire
suppression,
ems
and
technical
rescue
was
is
primarily
a
core
what
we
what
we
presently
performed,
and
that
includes
fire
response.
Ms
response,
hazardous
materials
response
technical
rescue,
they
are
also
assist
with
prevention.
Education,
community
outreach,
also
in
firefighters,
do
assist
with
that.
B
You
can
see
it's
a
standard
that
that
we
use
to
measure
our
ability
to
affect
they
respond.
It
sits
as
national
standard
that
is
been
proven
to
be,
quite
frankly,
very
difficult
to
achieve
and
to
a
meet
at
a
consistent
level
at
the
top
of
that
chart.
It
shows
where
firefighters
or
a
fire
crews
arrived
in
five
minutes
or
less
at
the
present
time.
We're
at
about
at
about
eighty
percent
of
the
time.
I
think
that
is
given
the
difficulty
that
that
standard
is
to
meet
I,
think
that
is
very,
very
effective,
aye
aye
aye.
B
The
first
class,
I
think,
is
excellent.
I
think
it's
an
excellent
benchmark
that
the
crews
are
getting
on
the
station's
quickly,
they're,
responding
quickly,
they're,
getting
14
firefighters
on
scene
and
structure.
Fires
are
those
types
of
events
within
nine
minutes
and
that
that
is
very,
very
critical,
especially
when
it
comes
to
fire
suppression
activities.
A
B
Terms
of
2016,
our
data
is
pretty
much
it's
pretty
much
the
same.
It
hasn't
changed
much
we're
going
to
be
in
the
five
minutes
or
less
we're
going
to
maintain
that
eighty
percent
mark
give
or
take
that
seventy
nine
eighty
percent
and
same
with
the
14
minutes
or
less
we
are.
We
are
able
to
maintain
a
sustained
that
that
94,
percentile
and.
B
The
map
that
you
see
in
on
the
following
page
sort
of
sort
of
outlines
the
the
green
areas
are
obviously
we're
meeting
that
those
standards
very
easily
that
is,
and
even
on
that
map
that
is
sort
of
the
core
demanders
of
the
majority
of
our
our
service
demand
area.
So
we
were
able
to
to
meet
the
demands
of
the
the
areas
or
geographic
areas
of
the
city
that
demand
our
services
and
we've
maintained
that
and
were
actually
been
able
to
change
the
color
of
that
map.
B
Over
the
last
four
or
five
years
since
I've
been
the
fire
chief,
we've
reduced.
The
number
of
red
areas
turned
a
lot
of
the
browner
golden
areas
to
green
and
some
areas
to
dark
green
so
which
gets
us
up
in
the
100
percentile
in
terms
of
five
minutes
or
left.
So
I
think
that
we've
done
an
effective
job
I
feel
that
our
fire
stations
are
located
in
the
right
locations.
I
believe
we
have
the
right
number
of
fire
stations
at
this
point
to
meet
our
demand
for
service
nalan
in
the
future.
B
The
fire,
suppression,
EMS
and
service
and
tactic
rescue
slide
in
terms
of
total
emergency
calls
it
by
tight.
As
you
can
see,
we
had
in
2015
we've
had
a
roughly
forty
one
thousand
calls
for
service
in
2016.
I
would
expect
that
we
are
going
to
be
an
area
of
42
to
43
thousand
runs
calls
for
service
and
since
2011
we
probably
increased
by
twenty
percent.
That
is
one
thing
that
is,
it
is
challenging
for
us
moving
forward
we're
seeing
probably
four
or
five
percent
or
more
increase
in
responses
annually.
B
Ems
continues
to
be
the
best
majority
of
those
types
of
events.
However,
we
still
have
technical
rescue
and
hazardous
materials
and
all
those
other
concerns
that
we
still
have
to
be
able
to
meet
those
demands
for
service.
Also,
in
terms
of
of
staffing,
we
are
continuing
to
look
at
types
of
response
models
that
we
may
change
in
the
future
to
see
if
we
can
assist
with
taking
the
pressure
off
some
the
demands
for
that
service
that
we
provide,
but
our
service
demand
is
certainly
going
up
dramatically
every
year,
training
recruitment.
B
It's
our
second
program
that
really
like
to
talk
about
this
program.
This
is
obviously
we
spent
a
lot
train
training
and
developing
our
future
employees
and
present
employees.
You
know,
certainly,
we
want
to
try
to
develop
high
performing
work
for
us,
a
very
diverse
workforce,
and
that
is
that
is
also
a
challenging
challenging
when
it
coming.
It
comes
in
to
some
of
the
training
I'm
in
terms
of
trying
to
find
funding,
and
other
things,
too,
is
not
cheap
to
train
and
develop,
develop.
B
Quite
frankly,
I
think
this
is
one
of
the
programs
that
could
potentially
have
the
most
impact
in
the
community
into
the
community.
Our
emt
pathway
program,
not
only
a
high
school
programs,
butter,
EMS
academy
that
we
just
recently
graduated
is
I
think
proof
that
that
I
think
if
we
create
opportunity,
we
can
have
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
success
with
the
internal
and
external
collaboration
that
we've
had
in
cooperation,
especially
with
their
EMS
academy
and
I,
would
just
like
to
take
a
couple
minutes
to
talk
about
the
EMS
academy
that
we
just
recently
graduated.
B
At
the
present
time,
we
have
got
at
least
two
or
three
of
those
members
who
are
kidding
competing
for
a
position
of
dispatch
with
Hennepin,
County
EMS
and
a
hundred
percent
of
the
class
in
some
way
shape
or
form
been
offered
some
sort
of
potential
job
or
career
in
the
EMS
field,
so
I
think
in
a
short
time
we
in
a
matter
of
months
and
kudos
to
the
staff,
the
fire
department.
We
were,
you
know,
given
some
backing
put
together:
a
collaborative
effort
between
napa,
county
ems
and
Minneapolis
foundation
of
City
Minneapolis.
B
The
mayor's
office
are
my
staff,
our
department
or
the
matter
of
five
months.
We've
gone
from
recruitment,
focused
recruitment
of
individuals,
creating
an
opportunity
graduating
those
groups,
graduating
those
crews,
those
people
and
then
creating
an
opportunity
that
they
can
have
and
potentially
start
career
as
a
matter
of
months.
I
think
it's
something
that
that's
something
we're
proud
of.
B
We
just
kicked
off
the
Explorer
program
last
night
in
the
north
side,
where
we're
going
to
have
kids
where
ages
14
to
21
want
to
be
an
explorer
Minneapolis
fire
department,
they're
going
to
base
basically
have
maybe
two
meetings
a
month
where
they're
going
to
be
able
to
come
and
enjoy
a
firefighting
experience
on
Wednesdays
and
Saturdays
and
for
the
youth,
this
city,
maybe
they
consider
a
career.
You
know
ultimately
it'd
be
perfect.
B
If
we
could
take
someone
from
the
Explorer
program
and
the
you
it
mentor
high
school
programs,
either
north
or
Roosevelt,
have
the
graduate
of
that
enter
the
MS
Academy
graduate
from
that
and
then
move
on
to
a
career,
either
an
EMS
with
hennepin
county
and
or
in
the
fire
service
in
a
fire
department.
I
think
that
would
be
the
ultimate
and
I
believe
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
achieve
them
and
also
training
recruitment.
B
That
certainly
when
we
talk
about
the
training
and
recruitment
and
retention,
it
has
to
talk
about
our
retirement
and
our
workforce
plan
that
we've
had
and
we
continue
to
to
follow
a
monitor
and
utilize.
This
was
a
plan
that
that
I
know
we
put
together
approximately
four
years
ago.
It
has
changed
a
little
bit
over
the
four
years,
but
we
made
some
assumptions.
A
few
years
ago
we've
been
following
that
plan.
It
was
questioned
a
little
bit
on
in
terms
of
accuracy,
but
what
we
found
this
this
plan
is
right.
B
On
course,
if
you
look
at
the
upper
half
of
that
screen
in
in
2021,
we
are
going
to
lose.
We
have
the
potential
lose
over
thirty.
Eight
percent
of
our
workforce
in
20
26,
which
is
only
ten
years
away.
We
are
going
to
potentially
use
sixty-two
percent
of
our
workforce,
will
be
gone.
To
give
you
an
example
of
how
volatile
it
is.
In
the
last
few
weeks,
up
to
the
first
year,
we
are
probably
going
to
lose
eight
to
nine
employees
and
we're
a
toaster
going
to
be
returned
by
January.
B
First
I've
got
a
class
of
about
fifteen
cadets
going
through
right
now
before
that
could
ask
Greg
Cadet
class
graduates.
We
are
already
going
to
sixty
percent
of
those
raw
you're
going
to
be
eaten
up
through
retirements.
So
it's
we
make
some
assumptions.
We
probably
have
to
improve
our
or
enhance
our
aggressiveness
in
terms
of
class
size
a
little
bit
and
or
higher
sooner,
but
we're
going
to
continue
to
follow
this
trend
is
hiring.
We
are
going
to
trip
down
below
or
author
a
strength
level.
B
Then
we'll
hire
back
up
and
we'll
probably
a
trip
back
down
but
allows
us
that
flexibility
to
be
able
to
meet
the
demands
for
our
service.
Try
to
meet
the
needs
that
we're
going
to
have
with
the
silver
tsunami
that
so
many
people
talk
about
it
is
is
very
volatile
and
I
I've
said
in
the
past
I.
If
people
aren't
I
certainly
can't
force
people
off
the
job,
nor
would
I
and
I
don't
expect
Anna
tell
me
when
they
plan
on
retiring.
B
They
can
retire
that
today
they
can
walk
in
the
datacenter
retire
in
today's
the
day,
and
that
could
happen
it's
hard
to
assume
how
many
I
may
lose
in
the
future.
But
we're
gonna
continue
down
this
path.
I
think
it's
an
effective
plan,
I
think
it's
proven
out.
We
look
back
in
the
plan
to
see
how
close
we
were.
He
developed
it
and
it
has
been
right
on
track
when
we
developed
it
for
years
ago.
B
Community
Rick
reduce
risk
reduction.
Outreach,
that's
our
last
program
again.
This
is
one
of
those
areas
in
our
department,
that
is
a
staff
of
one
and
Captain
Cassie.
Andersen
does
a
wonderful
job
with
that,
with
the
assistance
for
firefighters
in
the
station's
to
make
some
spends
a
lot
of
time
in
the
community
focused
on
school,
aged
children
and
intervention
of
that
developing
our
community
emergency
response
team
folks,
which
is
now
a
small
army
of
over
300
volunteers,
to
to
assist
if
the
community
were
ever
need
to.
B
We
also
been
working
with
smoke:
detector
programs
with
not
only
the
Red
Cross
in
different
communities
within
the
city,
but
the
black
band,
for
example,
came
down
and
we
will
work
in
a
community
assisting
them
in
installing
and
giving
away
smoke
detectors.
So
it's
a
it's.
It's
focused
on
some
of
the
higher
need
populations
there
again.
It's
it's
not
a
large
amount
of
money
in
our
in
our
inner
over
budget.
But,
as
you
see,
if
you
look
at
the
2015
numbers,
we
have
not
got
he.
B
We
have
not
compiled
the
numbers
for
2016
as
of
yet
because
the
scooter
just
started,
but
in
2015
Cassie
visited
over
we
a
touch-based
over
8,000
students,
6,000
terms
of
adult
family
outreach
and
in
the
business
I'll
reach
over
2,000
folks
and
businesses
that
we
talk
to
about
different
areas
of
fire
safety
for
education
and
fire
prevention.
So
it's
a
it's
an
effective
tool.
B
One
thing
that
that
we
have
noticed
in
our
I
know
that
our
smoke
detector
programs,
a
lot
of
members,
are
folks
at
community
like
to
have
detectors,
and
then
they
will
apply
for
attacker
or
said
they
want
one
included.
Then
we
get
to
the
residents
to
install
and
they
may
not
answer
the
door.
So
we
don't
know
how
many
of
those
are
actual
rental
folks
and
see
somebody
in
a
uniform
and
me
will
feel
that
there
may
be
some
some
other
punitive
issues
in
terms
of
violation.
B
The
mayor
may
not
be
found,
and
so
it's
it's
a
program
that
we
continue
to
stress.
I
think
is
very
important
that
we
continue
to
to
install
the
smoke
detectors.
Reach
out
to
community
educate,
as
many
as
we
can
get,
is
very,
very
important
to
help
one
of
those
to
change
that
outcome
and
Bend
that
cost
curve.
Overall
cost
of
the
service
that
we
have
to
deliver.
A
Chief
at
what
level,
if
it's
possible
or
not,
is
the
this
kind
of
outreach
interacting
with
our
regulatory
services
department,
as
they're
going
through
inspections
may
run
across
on
single-family
home
that
may
be
in
some
extra
attention
is
needed.
They
call
the
police
department
or
do
they
just
interact
with
them
on
themselves?
Is
there
a
way
for
that
outreach
team
to
reach
that
person
yeah.
B
Well,
we've
done
since
our
divorce
from
the
fire
code
has
been
transferred
over
to
regulatory
services.
We
still
have
our
each
of
our
fire,
captain's,
which
we
have
103
right
now,
they're
all
required
to
do
thirty,
five
or
six
and
35
or
36,
building
inspections
annually
or
familiarize
ations.
We
call
them
our
roads,
they
go
into
buildings
in
and
terms
of
fumar
eyes
themselves,
just
in
case
they
had
an
incident
there.
B
But
during
that
familiar
ization,
if
they
notice
or
see
something
that
could
be
a
violation
we
automatically
email
over
to
F
is
in
the
in
space
and
an
inspector
out
to
inspect.
Now
same
token,
if
we're
on
an
ems
event
or
fire
related
run
and
our
crews
notice
something
it
needs
to
be
addressed,
they
do
the
same
thing:
they
notify
fire
inspection,
services
and
or
potentially
even
housing
to
go
out
and
take
a
look
at
potential
violation.
B
Little
bit
about
the
change
items
we
have
change
item
is
it
Len
is
going
to
be
ongoing,
is
is
the
in
the
mayor's
recommended
budget?
Was
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
an
ongoing
fund
to
fund
five
additional
FTEs
in
our
fire
service
that
in
our
fire
department?
That
is
something
that
is.
It
is
it's
a
very
much
of
a
welcome
addition,
anytime,
that
that
we
can,
we
can
add
numbers
to
our
authorized.
Strength,
will
go
from
406
to
411
authorized
firefighters.
B
Second
item
is
200,000
in
one-time
money
that
will
be
used
for
the
recruitment
intention,
that's
putting
a
recruitment
and
retention
that
will
be
putting
money
towards
a
new
civil
service
exam
which
will
be
delivered
in
in
2017,
which
is
going
to
be
very,
very
important.
So,
overall
we
have
a
change
increase
of
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
one-time
money
to
pay
for
a
new
civil
service
list
to
be
established
in
2017.
B
In
our
cars
program
we
have
actually
three
hundred
and
eighty
thousand
dollars
in
total
request.
The
110
thousand
dollars
for
personal
protective
equipment
that
is
is
is
going
to
be
an
ongoing,
probably
an
amount
annually
requested
by
the
Department
for
personal
protective
equipment.
One
standard
that
has
been
changed
after
ten
years,
our
personal
protective
equipment
that
our
firefighters
now
presently
we're
have
to
be
discarded
or
taken
out
of
service.
So
that
is
something
it's
going
to
be
annually,
probably
requested
up
cars.
One
special
item
we
have
this
year
is
a
two
hundred.
B
Seventy
thousand
dollar
request
for
mobile
data
computers.
Those
are
the
computers
that
are
in
each
of
our
rigs.
We've
had
those
those
mobile
data
puters
for
a
number
of
years.
In
26
year
2015,
we
spent
money
on
those
on
those
computers,
adding
some
memory
to
try
to
we're,
having
a
lot
of
them
starting
to
break
down
and
are
starting
to
fail.
So
we
added
some
memory
to
try
to
increase
their
performance
to
gain
another
year
of
life
autumn,
which
we've
done
in
2017
we're
going
to
have
to
make
a
decision.
B
What
to
replace
those
mobile
data
terminals
with
I'm
and
last
seen
in
the
budget.
I
just
want
to
briefly
just
to
touch
on
some
of
the
some
of
the
outside
funding
that
that
we
took
advantage
of
in
2016-
and
this
is
we
just
took
it
at
that
belt-
is
important
for
us
to
take
a
look
at
different
opportunities
that
are
potentially
out
there
for
the
department
to
help
us
achieving
some
of
the
many
goals
that
we
have
and
needs
that
we
have
just
a
touch
on
a
couple
of
them.
B
If
you
look
at
the
six
hundred
and
sixty
four
thousand
dollars
from
the
assistant
firefighter
regional
grant
program,
that
was
a
regional
grant
that
we
partnered
with
st.
Paul
fire
to
wrote
the
grant
together,
we
received
over
a
million
dollar
grant,
and
that
is
for
the
the
purchase
and
installation
of
wash
commercial,
washers
and
dryers
in
each
of
our
fire
stations.
We
have
a
what's
starting
to
show
itself
in
in
the
fire
service.
Is
the
cancers
are
become
a
very
strong
issue,
an
issue
that's
affecting
a
lot
of
people
in
the
fire
service
themselves.
B
So
by
buying
these
these
washers
and
dryers,
we
can,
after
fire
events
where
there
had
been
in
involved
in
or
been
exposed
to
environments
with
carcinogenic
type
material.
In
them
they
can
take
the
foot
turn
up
your
back,
the
station's
wash
and
dry
them
and
then
have,
and
hopefully
try
to
minimize
impact
that
some
of
these
chemicals
are
having
on
our
firefighters
over
the
course
of
time.
So
that's
why
both
Minneapolis
and
st.
Paul
st.
Paul
is
completed
r
installation
we're
going
to
go
along
with
our
installation.
B
B
You
look
down
to
ten
thousand
dollars,
ten
thousand
two
hundred
twenty
eight
dollars
that
we
were
reimbursed
for
in
our
narcan
program
about
15
or
16
months
ago,
I
asked
the
question
whether
we
should
respond
to
those
type
of
overdoses
and
at
the
time
we
we
had
about
156
responses.
If
I
remember
right
to
overdoses
and
I
thought,
you
know
what
maybe
it's
worth
looking
at
carrying
Arcanum
and
having
ability
to
to
treat
patients
if
we
needed
to
so
we
started
a
program.
B
You
know
16
months
ago,
and
now
since
then,
things
have
really
changed
dramatically
with
with
the
opioid
epidemic
that
we're
facing
this
country,
and
today
we
put
it
in
service.
In
late
spring.
Early
summer
of
this
year,
we've
had
a
hundred
and
eleven
saves
in
the
city,
and
that
is
something
that
might
kind
of
question.
I
didn't
want
to
become
an
enabler.
You
know,
I,
don't
want
people
to
think.
If
we
do
this,
you
know
Fire
Department
come
let's
take
a
chance,
we'll
save
with
a
saber
yeah.
B
You
know
it's
one
of
those
hard
thing,
but
I
think
when
you
look
at
the
the
enormity
of
the
problem,
it
is
something
that
is,
it
is
very
concerning
you
know,
but,
and
it's
it's
it's
very
challenging
for
us
now
to
sustain
this,
and
this
money
that
was
made
available
was
made
available
for
first
responders.
We
look
for
that
funding.
We
now
have
enough.
Narcan
de
probably
covers
the
remainder
of
this
year
and
probably
through
next
year,
in
terms
of
supplies,
you
know.
B
Obviously,
since
narcan
was
was
introduced
in
found
to
be
a
a
drug,
that's
been
administered
when
so
many
overdoses,
obviously
every
dose
it
now
has
tripled
in
price.
You
know,
with
all
that
comes
to
tripling
in
price,
would
causes
more
issues
for
us,
but
we're
going
to
continue.
I
think
it's
important.
We're
going
to
continue
to
look
for
these
dollars.
I
believe
that
there's
me
more
funding
available
to
help
us
sustain
that
program.
I
think
it's
important.
B
I
think
it's
important,
that
we
do
that
departing,
obviously
with
Hennepin
County
doing
the
same
same
type
of
program,
so
it's
something
it's
very,
very
challenging.
And,
lastly,
the
again
are
just
a
lot
of
different
areas
and
a
lot
of
folks
that
we've
we
partner
with
and
collaborate
with
through
different
types
of
partnerships,
an
example
again
at
centerpoint
energy,
giving
us
twenty
five
hundred
dollars
or
we
just
introduced
our
safety
net
program
at
the
EO
TF.
B
Then
the
east
side,
the
river
in
the
same
player,
they've
done
it
for
a
number
of
years,
I
think
there's
something
that
we
needed
to
do
and
kudos
of
my
staff
again
for
working
very
hard
and
putting
this
program
together.
I
think
it's
it's
it's
an
addition.
The
service
that
we
provide
that
I
believe
was
very
very,
can
be
very,
very
rewarding
yeah.
A
Thanks
for
bringing
all
those
up,
it
was
a
great
way
to
see
how
outside
resources
are,
are
making
an
impact
on
not
only
the
budget
but
on
the
lives
and
safety
of
our
residents.
I
was
particularly
drawn
to
thee
I've
looked
at
those
reports
over
the
last
couple
years
on,
you
know
the
weekly
reports
that
we
get
from
you
I
can't
say
how
many
times
I've
seen
narcan
administered
live
saved,
and
that
makes
a
big
difference.
B
When
see
that
the
washer
and
dryers
that
we're
going
to
be
there
commercial
grade,
washer
and
dryer
to
a
point
where
the
grant
was
over
a
million
dollars-
and
we
quite
frankly
have
to
add
in
some
cases
a
foot
of
concrete
to
the
floor
of
the
fire
station
to
basically
bolt
the
dryer
down.
So
it
doesn't
vibrate
out
of
the
station
and
it's
amazing
what
they
have
to
do,
but
their
commercial
grade,
washer
and
dryer,
obviously
to
be
utilized
and
they're
being
every
one
of
our
fire
stations
already
have
on
it.
B
A
B
And
we
have,
we
have
Turner
Gill.
We
ban
the
requested
because
we're
going
to
have
to
try
to
we're
probably
going
to
have
to
buy
a
hundred
sets
of
turnout
gear
annually
to
keep
up
with
the
standard
to
meet
the
standard
of
taking
service
turn
out
you're
out
of
service
right
at
the
same
time.
So
it's
it's
very
challenging.
B
Ideally
I'd
like
to
see
all
of
our
firefighters
have
two
sets
of
gear,
so
they
come
back
from
a
fire
or
I've
been
involved
with
a
an
instant
where
they've
been
in
an
environment
that
needs
to
be
washed,
they
can
wash
their
turnout
gear.
Take
their
second
set
put
on
the
rig
when
that's
done.
They
can
keep
rotating
right
now.
We'll
have
to
take
some
crews.
I
have
to
go
out
of
service
for
a
short
time
as
you're
doing
it,
but.
C
Thank
You
mr.
chair
and
chief,
a
little
light-hearted
here:
okay,
so
I,
oh
I,
hope
you
don't
take
any
offense
to
it.
You
know
I
remember
when
I
started
serving
and
one
of
the
things
you
hadn't
put
up
there.
As
you
know,
goal
of
yours
is,
have
you
know,
get
our
ftes
to
let's
say
one
above
st.
Paul
I
mean:
where
are
we
on
that.
B
Oh
man,
I'll
have
to
say
Jeremy,
Jeremy,
Quincy
and
coats
memory,
and
a
couple
weeks
ago,
I
think
I
achieved
my
goal.
Unfortunately,
I
think
he
hired
a
class.
We
were,
we
were
I
believe
we
were
one
above
or
one
or
two,
maybe
above
the
st.
Paul
at
the
time
I
think
chief
Butler
is
getting
ready
to
hire
a
clasp.
B
So
that's
it
it's
going
to
go
back
and
forth,
but
you
know
what
or
what
we
need
to
be,
and
we
have
a
great
relationship
with
those
folks
and
we
have
a
great
partnership
so
that
we're
going
to
continue
to
strive
and
I
would
like
to
be
able
to
sustain
that
goal.
I
mean
put
us
in
a
position
where
I
can
honestly
say
that
I'm
at
least
one
bigger
than
st.
Paul
fire,
okay.
C
C
I
just
wanted
to
show
you.
I
have
the
benefit
of
the
internet
right
here
in
front
of
me
and
I'm,
looking
at
st.
Paul's
budget
right
now
and
I
look
at
their
numbers
and
up
to
tell
you
their
number
is
actually
total
fte's
within
their
department
and
I.
Don't
know
how
they're
doing
their
numbers,
but
it's
actually
483.
So
may
your
about
70
down
kidding
I'm
kidding
I
mean
the
numbers
are
here,
but
I
mean.
C
B
C
Its
ensure
I
just
wanted
to
say
I
mean
chief
I,
really
appreciate
the
work
that
your
department
does
I've
seen
many
fighters
up
in
Ward
5
and
just
the
level
of
service
and
dedication
of
your
firefighters
has
been
fantastic
up
where
I
live
and
now
I
know
that
other
accountants
members
have
seen
just
the
great
work
of
the
fire
department
and
so
I
appreciated
that
I
just
wanted
to
let
hard
to
lay
down
poke
at
you.
Just
with
regards
that.
A
Good
not
seeing
any
other
questions,
but
I
do
want
to
acknowledge.
We've
course
been
joined
by
council
members,
Gordon,
council,
member
yeah
and
council
member
palmisano
bender
and
council
member
Johnson.
As
I
said
earlier
today,
council
member
Goodman
is
unable
to
attend
today,
as
she
was
heading
a
funeral
and
attending
a
funeral,
and
then
councilmember
glidden
had
to
represent
the
city
at
the
League
of
Minnesota
cities,
so
just
wanted
to
pass
that
out.
Thank
you
again,
very
much
for
you
and
the
whole
team.
A
A
That
concludes
public
safety
day
in
the
budget
hearing
world,
and
our
next
budget
subcommittee
will
be
meeting
on
October
28th
9
30
to
noon
will
be
a
variety
of
departments
from
the
city
coordinators
office
and
then
we'll
be
finishing
up
those
departments
of
beginning
at
132
for
on
the
twenty-eighth,
so
that'll
be
a
long
day
so
with
nothing
further
we're
drunk.
Thank
you.