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From YouTube: April 25, 2016 City Planning Commission
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Minneapolis City Planning Commission Meeting
A
Good
afternoon,
I
will
call
to
order
the
April
25th,
meaning
of
the
Minneapolis
City
Planning
Commission.
My
name
is
Matt
Brown
I
serve
as
president
of
the
Commission
I'm
joined
today
by
commissioners,
magrinha,
slacks,
weezy,
looky,
Pierre,
Breeland
and
Rockwell.
Our
first
item
of
business
is
to
approve
the
actions
from
the
april
eleventh
meeting.
They
have
a
motion
to
approve
those
actions.
A
Second,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
all
in
favor,
and
that
motion
carries
our
next
item
of
business
is
to
sort
through
the
agenda,
determine
which
items
will
be
on
consent,
in
which
items
we
will
discuss
their
hard
copies
of
the
agenda
in
the
hallway
and
I
will
start
at
the
top
so
item
one
is
the
Western
line
on
second
town
homes
at
24,
1524,
19
and
24
23
second
street
northeast
sets
of
preliminary
and
final
plat.
Is
anyone
wishing
to
speak
in
opposition
to
or
modify
the
staff
recommendation
on
that
item?
Seeing.
A
Put
that
on
consent,
item
2
is
at
nineteen
eleven
nicollet
avenue,
that's
a
rezoning.
Is
there
anyone
wishing
to
speak
in
opposition
to
or
modify
the
staff
recommendation
on
that
item?
Seeing
no
one
will
put
that
on
consent.
Item
three
is
the
Alpha
Epsilon
Pi
fraternity
house
at
1100,
fifth
Street
selfie
sets
a
conditional
use
permit.
A
Is
there
anyone
wishing
to
speak
in
opposition
to
or
modify
the
staff
recommendation
on?
That
item
see
no
one
will
put
that
on
consent.
Item
for
is
Wells
Fargo,
1505
west
lake
street.
That's
a
variance
for
wall
signs
will
discuss
item
for
item
5
is
the
Sojourner
Truth
Academy
building
addition
at
3820
emerson
avenue
north
several
applications
for
an
addition
to
a
school?
Is
there
anyone
wishing
to
speak
in
opposition
to
her
modify
the
staff
recommendation
on
that
item?
See.
A
Put
item
five
consent
item:
6
is
the
26th
and
Stephens
apartments
at
113
East
26th
street,
that
is
a
conditional
use.
Permit
amendment
for
the
height
of
a
stair
enclosure.
Is
there
anyone
wishing
to
speak
in
opposition
to
our
modified
staff
recommendation
on
that
item?
Seeing
no
one
will
put
that
on
consent.
Item
7
is
the
HCMC
ambulatory
outpatient,
specialty
center
signage
at
80
1
through
8
29
park,
avenue,
7
15
through
7
20,
18
street
south
and
816
Chicago
Avenue,
several
applications
related
to
signs.
A
Is
there
anyone
wishing
to
speak
in
opposition
to
or
modify
the
staff
recommendation
on
that
item
we
have
a
few
people,
so
we
will
discuss
item
7
item
8
is
marshal
flats
at
25
25
seconds
3
northeast
several
applications
for
a
new
supportive
housing
project.
There
is
there
anyone
wishing
to
speak
in
opposition
to
her
modify
the
staff
recommendation
on
that
item,
seeing
no
one
will
put
item
8
on
consent.
Lastly,
item
9
is
a
zoning
code
text
amendment
related
to
community
service
facilities?
A
D
E
A
B
A
That
motion
carries
we'll
move
on
now
to
the
public
hearing
portion
of
our
meeting
at
this
time.
I'll
open
the
public
hearing
for
the
items
on
the
consent
agenda,
that
is
items
1,
2,
3,
5,
6,
8,
&
9.
So
anyone
wishing
to
speak
on
items
1
2,
3,
5,
6,
8
or
9
C.
No
one
I
will
close
the
public
hearing
and
may
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
consent
agenda.
A
F
Good
evening,
commissioners,
the
item
before
you
is
variances
for
two
wall
signs
on
the
proposed
building
at
1505
west
lake
street.
This
is
an
application
that
was
before
you
back
in
November
of
2015
associated
with
the
construction
of
the
new
wells
fargo
bank.
In
this
location
there
were
a
series
of
applications
that
were
approved
at
that
time.
Also
at
that
time,
the
Planning
Commission
did
deny
variances
for
wall
signs.
F
The
variances
before
you
now
have
been
modified
slightly
over
what
was
initially
before
the
Commission,
and
so
what
you
saw
back
in
November
were
two
wall
signs
that
each
exceeded
the
maximum
height
and
the
maximum
area
in
the
c1
district,
so
I'm,
showing
here
a
top-down
comparison,
so
the
top
item
or
the
top
photo,
is
showing
the
signs
that
were
proposed
back
in
November.
So
those
signs
were
52.5
square
feet
in
area
each
and
almost
22
feet
in
height
on
the
bottom.
This
is
showing
the
new
proposed
sign,
so
you
can
see.
F
The
corner
element
has
been
lowered
and
the
proposed
signs
are
now
19
feet:
1
inch
in
height,
I
believe,
yes,
19
feet,
4
inches
in
height
and
40
square
feet
in
area,
so
there
are
two
signs,
one
on
the
North
elevation
facing
lake
street
and
one
on
the
East
elevation
facing
Humboldt.
So
the
maximum
height
allowed
in
the
c1
district
is
14
feet
that
dates
back
to.
F
When
the
first
floor
of
a
building
couldn't
exceed
14
feet
in
height
now
you
can
go
up
to
20,
but
we
never
changed
the
sign
regulations,
so
the
area
is
now
compliant
with
the
maximum
size
of
45
square
feet,
so
we're
just
looking
at
variances
to
height.
It's
also
worth
noting.
They
did
previously
proposed
a
sign
on
the
South
elevation
facing
the
parking
lot
and
that
sign
has
been
removed
as
part
of
the
proposed
application.
F
As
far
as
the
findings
go,
finding
number
one
asks
us
to
find
whether
or
not
there
are
practical
difficulties
due
to
circumstances
unique
to
the
property.
In
this
case,
staff
did
not
find
that
practical
difficulties
exist
in
complying
with
the
sign
height.
This
is
a
new
building
with
no
unique
identification
needs,
and
while
there
is
a
bit
of
a
grade
change
along
Lake
Street
that
you
can
see
here,
even
if
we
measured
from
the
first
floor,
elevation
of
the
building,
the
signs
would
still
exceed
14
feet
in
height.
F
So
if
we
measured
from
the
interior
first
floor
elevation,
the
signs
would
be
15.9
1
feet
in
height
and
as
measured
from
grade
again
there
19
feet
4
inches.
Finding
number
2
asks
us
to
look
at
whether
or
not
the
signs
are
reasonable
and
in
keeping
with
the
spirit
and
intent
of
the
ordinance
and
the
comprehensive
plan,
we
do
have
a
pedestrian
oriented
overlay
district
here.
So,
while
they're
not
proposing
any
freestanding
signage,
the
signs
are
really
intended
to
be
geared
more
towards
pedestrians,
and
in
that
sense
we
weren't
able
to
make
finding
number
two.
F
However,
the
remainder
of
the
findings,
the
sign,
will
not
alter
the
essential
character
of
the
locality.
This
is
on
west
lake
street.
There
are
certainly
other
taller
signs
in
the
area.
That
is,
you
can
see
kind
of
here.
These
showed
a
little
bit
better.
That's
partially
due
to
the
fact
that
this
parcel
is
zoned
c1,
which
in
itself
is
a
little
bit
unique
along
this
section
of
west
lake
street,
but
other
buildings
that
have
seat
or
c
3.
A
zoning
are
allowed
taller
signs.
As
of
right.
F
The
additional
findings
for
signage
asked
us
to
look
at
whether
or
not
the
proposed
signage
would
increase,
sign,
clutter
or
lead
to
sign
clutter
on
the
site.
In
this
case.
No,
these
two
wall
signs
will
not
lead
to
sign
clutter.
They
are
in
keeping
with
the
overall
scale
and
character
of
the
building,
but
it's
really
findings
one
into
that
staff
wasn't
able
to
make
on
this
application,
so
I
can
close
there
and
answer
any
questions.
The
applicant
is
also
present
tonight.
Ok,
Commissioner.
A
G
A
H
Mr.
chairman
members,
the
Commission
good
afternoon,
my
name
is
Charlie
Shallal
with
sight
enhancement
services
with
me
today,
as
well
as
Tony
Freitag
from
Wells
Fargo.
First
off.
Excuse
me
thank
you
for
allowing
us
to
come
before
you
this
afternoon
and
discuss
this.
What
we
consider
to
be
a
very
important
issue.
H
Well,
our
front
doors.
We
actually
have
two
on
Layton
than
one
on
Humboldt
as
well.
We
need
to
have
signage
over
those
doors
and
at
the
same
time,
we
don't
want
to
modify
the
architecture
and
eliminate
those
awnings
that
really
do
capture
that
pedestrian
oriented
feel
that
this
that
this
area
is
looking
for.
I'd
also
like
to
point
out
that
in
this
zone,
yes,
we
r
c
1
zone
c
1,
but
we
are
the
farthest
for
this
east
property
in
this
is
c1
zone
directly
across
the
street.
H
If
we're
six
feet
further
or
one
lane
a
humble
over,
we
wouldn't
have
this
issue,
but
unfortunately
we
do
and
again
I.
Don't
think
anybody
can
argue
being
out
at
the
site
today
and
and
Tony
from
wells.
Fargo
I
apologize,
but
this
is
definitely
an
upgrade
to
the
existing
property
as
it
was,
and
I
know
that
Wells
Fargo's
function
there
for
years
and
years,
but
the
new
architecture
that
the
community
is
going
to
get
I
think
lends
to
that
pedestrian
quote:
unquote,
feel
we've
reduced
the
overall
signage
I'm.
H
Actually,
the
signs
that
we're
asking
for
an
hour
under
the
code,
a
lot
of
square
footage,
and
also
we
looked
at
the
sign,
that's
on
the
South
elevation.
That
was
the
only
one
that
truly
faced
residentially
zoned
to
properties
and
we
eliminated
I
mean
obviously
if
people
can
find
the
Wells
Fargo
they're
going
to
park
in
back.
If
they,
you
know,
do
drive
to
this
location
which,
because
of
the
business
model
of
the
the
seven-mile
radius,
that
we
pull
from
people
are
going
to
be
driving
to
this
facility.
H
We
don't
need
to
sign
on
that
south.
We
can
do
without
it.
We
don't
want
to
ask
for
more
than
we
need.
So
that's
why
we're
we've
modified
that
building
height
architecture
that
you
can
see
in
the
slide.
That's
still
on
the
screen
and
at
the
same
time,
I
think
maintaining
the
pedestrian
oriented
aspects
of
it
is
important.
I
would
like
to
show
there's
one
additional
slide
that
I
think
will
and
staff
you
and
can
really
might
have
to
help
me
with
navigating
this
machine.
H
This
is
what
sorry
this
is
what
we're
talking
about
in
the
built
environment.
I
mean
that's
what
it's
going
to
look
like,
I,
don't
think
I,
don't
think
it
looks
out
of
line.
The
windows
are
obviously
a
key
point
of
visual
interest.
The
awnings
are
going
to
be
obviously
a
chi
into
the
pedestrian
feel
and
I've
got
more
slides
of
other
businesses.
The
heavy
landing
so
I
mean
I
think
that's
extremely
important,
as
you
can
see
at
that
at
the
intersection.
H
We
do
have
a
step
up
on
on
lake,
its
actual
stairs
on
Humboldt,
it's
the
actual
ramp,
and
you
can
see
that
visual,
great
difference,
I
think
it's
appropriate
I
think
it's
the
scale
of
the
area.
It's
really
looking
at
this
building
architecture,
unless
we
start
getting
rid
of
awnings,
which
is
not
what
we're
looking
to
do
at
all.
There's
really
no
other
place
to
put
this
sign,
so
we
respectfully
requesting
for
your
help
to
allow
us
to
properly
identify
this
building.
A
H
H
To
answer
your
question:
no,
there
is
a
little
bit
of
brick
area
underneath
where
that
would
be
how
we
zoom
in
on,
but
the
window
line
would
be
consistent
from
across
the
elevation,
so
it
would
more
or
less
the
bottom
of
the
on
and
I
believe
lines
up
with
where
the
top
of
the
glazing
would
be
and
again
that
14
there
is
a
14-foot
line.
It's
it's
kind
of
hard
to
see
on
this
representation.
But
it's
it's
right
here.
So
that
shows
you
know
where
fourteen
foot
actually
puts
us.
J
It's
more
for
staff
actually
I
think
can
really
you
mate.
You
made
a
point
to
identify
that
that
the
first
floor
level
within
this
zoning
district
is
not
essentially
up
to
date,
based
on
the
allowable
first
floor
level,
so
has
staff
given
any
thought
to
what
this
site
our
sign
height,
might
be.
If
the
first
floor
level
was
increased
and
would
that
better
align
with
this
proposal
or
no
are.
J
Per
se,
if,
if
the,
if
the
height
of
the
first
floor
level,
which
sounds
like
it,
it's
not
potentially
where
it
should
be,
I
think
you
said
it's
at
14
feet.
It's
or
this
code
aligns
with
one
that
would
be
14
feet
versus
where
it's
added
20
feet.
Now,
if
it's
at
20
feet,
what
would
the
actual
sign
height
be
allowed
within
that
district.
F
Previously,
when
the
zoning
code
allowed
for
the
first
floor
of
buildings
to
only
be
14
feet
in
height,
the
maximum
sign
allowance
and
see
one
or
the
maximum
height
allowance,
matched
up
with
that
maximum
height,
so
14
feet
was
the
maximum
height
for
the
first
floor
and
14
feet
was
the
maximum
height
for
a
sign.
On
the
first
floor,
we
haven't
talked
about
it
in
great
detail,
but
I
could
imagine
if
we
were
to
look
at
that
right
now.
We
allow
the
first
floor
buildings
to
be
20
feet
in
height.
F
A
C
F
Recall
exactly
where
they
came
in,
but
the
requirement,
because
they're
in
the
p.o
is
forty
percent
on
that
elevation
and
then
with
the
great
change,
because
we
only
measure
between
two
feet
and
10
feet.
I
think
what
they're
showing
here
is
pretty
close
to
what
we
would
I
think
they
were
just
over
forty
percent
between
that
two
foot
in
10
foot
range,
mm-hmm,
Thanks,.
K
F
A
A
C
G
G
I
think
that
the
great
change
in
the
lot
that
actually
prohibits
them
being
at
the
ground
level
at
the
front,
combined
with
the
fact
that
we
haven't
updated
that
in
an
additional
effect
that
they
have
such
a
massive
lazy
requirement,
mainly
due
to
that
raised
floor
height
and
then
the
addition
of
awnings,
which
will
not
require
our
strongly
encouraged
to
give
it
a
pedestrian
scale
and
appearance
do
create
a
bit
of
practical
difficulties
along
with
actually
number
two
which
is
about
reasonable
use
and
I.
Do
think
that
what
the
proposing
is
reasonable.
G
G
A
I
J
B
L
And
in
that
area
and
I
was
just
so
surprised
at
how
small
the
sign
was
there
and
it's
above
the
door,
there
is
a
large
sign
on
the
side
of
a
fairly
large
parking
ramp
that
has
some
height
to
it,
but
it's
wells
fargo
and
it's
probably
between
10
and
12
feet
off
the
ground.
I'm
just
wondering
if
st.
Paul
has
asked
you
to
do
different
things
and
longitudinally
in
so
I
I,
don't
know
any
problems
with
the
amended
motion,
but
there
is
a
very
pedestrian
oriented
look
of
the
st.
Paul
facility.
A
Okay
and
I'll
just
add
that
also
lake
street
at
this
location
is
a
commercial
corridor
in
the
city's
comprehensive
plan,
and
while
this
site
is
owned,
c1
there
is
more
intense
zoning
just
well
actually
a
jacent
to
it,
and
that,
in
combination
with
the
other
reasons
that
were
stated,
I
think
helps
us
meet
the
finding
related
to
not
altering
the
character
of
the
area.
There
are
other
properties
that
have
more
signage
and
higher
signage
than
this.
So
if
there's
no
further
discussion
clerk,
please
call
the
roll.
E
E
A
E
A
Right
to
nab
mulchen
carries.
That
concludes
our
discussion
on
this
item.
For
next
item.
For
discussion
is
item
7
I.
Thank
you
item.
Seven
is
also
signs.
We
have
an
all
sign
meeting
today.
These
signs
of
HCMC
801
329
Park
Avenue
sub
15
through
some
20
18
street
and
816
Chicago
Avenue
staff
is
ms
Whitmire.
M
Bertha
is
just
to
the
south
of
the
emergency
room
of
their
hospital
campus
and
they
are
proposing
to
do
a
master
sign
plan.
The
site
is
zone,
be
4n,
and
it's
also
in
the
downtown
parking
overlay
district
with
there's
middle.
They
included
their
entire
master
plan,
but
only
a
few
of
the
signs
that
need
additional
approvals.
Rest
comply
with
the
sign
requirements.
Just
briefly,
the
applications
are
requesting
our
condition:
use
permit
to
increase
the
height
of
two
wall,
signs
of
variance
to
increase
the
maximum
height
or
a
maximum
area.
M
Excuse
me,
of
one
other
wall,
sign
a
variance
to
increase
the
maximum
number
of
freestanding
science
and
in
an
amendment
to
their
site
plan
review
that
was
done
previously.
That's
in
relation
to
the
signs
are
proposed
under
the
conditions
permit
to
increase
maximum
height
for
this
presentation.
I'll
just
focus
on
the
signs
that
are
going
to
need
the
additional
approvals
and
I'll
start
with
those
the
conditions
permit
to
increase
the
maximum
height
for
larger
buildings
in
downtown
districts.
M
The
conditions
permit
is
authorized
to
increase
maximum
height.
Those
signs
can
be
up
to
300
square
feet.
Excuse
me
an
area,
so
the
proposed
signs
one
would
be
on
the
west.
Building
elevation
of
one
would
be
on
the
south
building
elevation,
so
the
south
one
is
up.
Currently
they
do
comply
with
all
the
standards
to
qualify
for
increasing
the
maximum
height.
M
Here's
the
one
on
the
east,
our
excuse
me
West
elevation
facing
Park
Avenue
and
they
are
proposed
or
the
tallest
one
is
at
eighty
eight
point
five
feet
above
grade
avila
one
is
the
other
one
is
slightly
lower,
so
they
would
be
at
the
sixth
floor
level
of
the
building.
The
this
proposed
signs
would
not
have
any
impact
to
adjacent
properties,
as
you
can
see
for
the
south-facing
sign,
which
is
close
to
residential
property,
which
would
be
an
apartment
building
located
to
the
south
of
it
on
the
same
block.
M
M
M
Moving
on
to
the
variance
to
increase
maximum
area
of
a
sign
of
that
sign
is
located
over
the
main
entrance
which
would
be
facing
a
street.
They
only
have
one
main
entrance
on
the
building,
and
so
the
variance
request
is
to
increase
the
maximum
sign
area
from
120
square
feet
to
263
square
feet.
The
sign
is
located
across
from
in
the
emergency
room,
so
we'll
be
impacting
any
adjacent
properties
on
this
building.
M
Wall
they're
actually
allowed
2.5
square
feet
of
signage,
Portland,
no
foot
of
building
wall
so
overall
on
this
e
street
facing
elevation,
they're
loud
775
square
feet
of
sign
area.
This
is
the
only
sign
that's
proposed
on
this
elevation,
so
they're
not
proposing
an
amount
of
signage
that
would
create
clutter.
This
is
the
only
sign
here
and
even
though
it's
larger
than
what
would
be
allowed
for
an
individual
sign
is
much
smaller
than
what
would
be
allowed
for
the
overall
amount
of
signage.
M
Then,
moving
on
to
the
variance
for
the
number
of
freestanding
science,
normally
in
any
zoning
lot,
you're
only
allowed
to
do.
One
freestanding
sign,
they're
asking
for
four,
so
they
are
requesting
the
variance.
This
site
takes
up
almost
an
entire
block.
They
are
proposing
a
free
to
design
one
on
each
corner
and
that's
to
provide
wayfinding
for
people
to
get
to
their
clinic
and
also
the
emergency
room.
So
it
hospitals
do
you
have
unique
identification
ease
that
was
taken
into
consideration
to
make
sure
that
people
know
where
to
go.
Also
the
sign
design
they
would.
M
The
sizes
of
each
one
would
comply
with
the
size
requirements
for
any
freestanding
sign
there,
a
fee
tall
and
out
more
than
32
square
feet
area
I'm,
showing
this
one,
because
it's
the
one
proposed
at
ninth
and
park,
which
is
located
in
the
historic
district
and
it's
the
one
that's
closest
to
Jason
residential
uses,
its
50
feet
from
that
apartment.
Building
that
I
mentioned
earlier,
but
still
substantially
set
separated
from
it,
and
then
this
one
they
did
propose
to
do
some
additional
ornamentation
with
iron
work,
to
make
it
more
compatible
with
that
historic
district.
M
In
residential
area,
the
other
signs,
although
the
same
size
and
design
as
far
as
materials
go,
don't
include
that
iron
work
so
again
for
these,
and
we
found
that
you
know
these
are
needed
for
wayfinding
that
we
did
recommend
approval
these
as
well,
and
so
I,
don't
forget
going
back
to
those
wall
signs
I
mentioned.
They
need
the
site
plan
review
amendment,
and
that
was
specifically
because
they
previously
did
not
get
alternative
compliance
for
blank
walls
exceeding
25
feet
in
length.
A
M
M
I
M
Yes,
ninth
would
be
a
one-way
going
west
towards
downtown
Chicago
is
the
two-way
street
park
is
one
way
again,
but
going
north
Spurs
river
and
then
f
is
also
one
way,
so
they
anticipated
traffic
flow
would
be
that
people
would
most
likely
come
to
the
main
entrance
drop.
Someone
off
and
then
need
to
navigate
around
the
site
to
get
to
the
parking,
because,
obviously
can't
go
back
on
8th
I
would
be
going
wrong
way
again.
Park
has
a
similar
issue,
so
they'd
have
to
go
around
the
block.
N
Thank
You.
Mr.
president,
members
of
the
Planning
Commission,
my
name
is
Michael
Noonan.
I
live
at
2258
fields,
drone
drive
in
dota
heights,
but
I'm
here
today
representing
HCMC
as
an
employee
of
Hennepin
County.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity.
The
staff
report,
which
has
been
prepared
and
presented
breathing,
does
a
wonderful
job
in
terms
of
the
describing
of
our
ask,
as
well
as
the
presentation
of
our
master
plan.
I.
N
In
response
to
your
question,
commissioner
chron
zur
wayfaring
was
very
important
for
the
reason
it's
expressed
by
ms
would
mark
meyer
in
terms
of
the
nature
of
the
one-way
streets
and
having
to
circumnavigate
the
block
to
get
to
the
parking.
In
addition,
depending
upon
where
you
enter
the
site,
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
individuals
would
be
able
to
identify
where
they
need
to
go
to
the
emergency
versus
the
clinic
as
well.
So
it
is
very
important
and
the
signs
on
each
of
the
four
corners
we
think,
plays
an
extremely
important
role.
N
The
other
findings
that
were
alluded
to
I
think
speak
volumes
in
terms
of
the
appropriateness
of
our
application.
We
have
worked
fairly
closely
with
the
Elliot
Park
neighborhood.
However,
you
will
see
a
letter
in
your
package
which
provides
support
for
the
majority
of
our
applications,
save
and
except
the
monument
sign
located
at
ninth
and
park
and
I.
Think
as
we've
expressed.
We
believe
that
the
monument
signs
to
provide
for
that
consistent
wayfaring
are
important.
N
If
you,
you
have
access
to
the
the
plans.
So
if
you
look
at
plans,
6a,
6b
and
6c,
they
provide
a
perspective
of
the
placement
of
that
sign
relative
to
the
pocket
park,
we're
a
very
sensitive
to
its
location,
not
intruding
into
the
pocket
park,
but
also
coming
forward
with
a
design
that
was
somewhat
reflective
of
the
street
furniture,
the
park,
furniture
and
then
each
of
their
but
bringing
those
iron
elements
and
providing
a
decorative
feel
that
has
a
minor
historic
read
to
it.
The
other
thing
I
would
point
out
is
a
comment.
N
No,
it's
not
going
to
be
called
duke
clinic,
although
that's
quite
an
elegant
name,
I'm
sure
you
would
agree,
but
it
will
be
taken
out
as
part
of
our
development
in
terms
of
the
development
opportunities
whereby
we
will
offer
naming
rights
for
the
clinic.
We
have
not
started
that
we
wanted
to
get
the
approvals
in
play.
The
master
plan
approved
so
that
we'd
have
a
complete
package
that
we
could
take
out
to
interested
parties.
N
I'm,
not
sure
we've
started
knocking
on
doors
as
of
yet
and
I
can
assure
you
that
if
it
is
some
lengthy
name
with
a
whole
number
of
initials,
we'll
make
it
work
within
the
square
footage
that
we've
been
approved.
It's
not
my
intention
or
HCMC
s
intention
to
come
back
and
ask
for
a
further
relief
if
we
get
some
name
that
doesn't
fit
within
the
plus
or
minus
300
feet
that
we
have
on
the
upper
levels.
So
with
that,
you
know
what
I
would
respectfully
request
support
of
all
our
applications.
N
We
believe
that
they're
appropriate
in
all
cases,
I
think
the
staff
report
goes
in
considerable
lengths
to
describing
and
justifying
them.
We
respectfully
disagree
with
our
friends
from
Elliot
Park,
and
we
would
hope
that
we
could
get
the
approval
so
that
we
can
move
forward
and
I'd
be
happy
to
say
for
any
questions.
Chris.
I
You,
mr
Noonan,
can
you
describe
this
ornament
to
work
on
the
sign
during
the
the
ornamental
work?
That's
for
proposed
on
the
sign
at
night.
It
is
it
then,
looking
through
the
sort
of
grassy
stuff
down
below
the
word
of
urgency.
Is
that
actually
ironwork
thats
painted
that
you
can
see
through
or
is
that
a
eighth
inch
piece
of
steel
that
supplied
to
a
an
acrylic
backlit?
No.
N
A
vm,
so
I
guess,
if
we
go
to
six,
is
that
what
on
your
6
a-6
a
sexay,
so
that
gives
you
a
feel
so
there's
really
two
elements
of
the
ornamental
number
one
is.
There
is
a
roughly
12
inch
piece
at
the
base
of
the
sign
located
another
foot
off
the
ground,
so
it's
above
the
snow
and
what
that
is
is
that
is
an
open
iron
element.
So
what
we'll
have
is
a
it'll
it'll?
Have
some
texture
it'll?
Have
some
visibility
through?
N
N
A
D
I'll
just
disclosed
that
just
for
those
who
don't
know,
I'm
also
a
hennepin
county,
employee
I,
don't
work
for
HCMC,
though,
but
just
so
that's
clear,
I'm
wondering
if
there's
any
reason
that
only
that
there
couldn't
all
four
of
those
signs
couldn't
have
the
nice
ornamental
work
on
them.
I
understand
why
the
one
is
because
of
the
park,
that's
adjacent,
but
could
all
four
of
them
be.
Similarly.
N
D
J
And
then
you
go
to
drawing
8
and
it
shows
the
parking
sign
and
so
that
drawing
6b
in
essence
is
a
little
misleading,
because
actually
there
would
be
three
signs
that
you
would
probably
see
from
either
that
perspective
or
even
a
little
bit
skewed,
maybe
more
so
to
the
north.
And
so
to
me,
that's
seeing
the
same
information
three
times
so
it
I,
don't
know
any
any
thoughts
regarding.
Why
why
the
drawings
aren't
showing
those
additional
signs?
Well,.
N
I
think
in
terms
of
6a,
6b
and
6
3
is
6
see
we
primarily
were
focusing
on
the
individual
signs
and
I
recognize
that
it
doesn't
give
you
the
full
picture.
However,
when
we
look
at
6a,
6b
and
6c
was
largely
focusing
on
that
variance
request
for
the
monument
there.
The
parking
signage
to
provide
the
identification
in
the
wayfaring
into
the
parking,
as
well
as
the
signage
on
the
building
face,
are
either
permitted
as
of
right
or
permitted
by
way
of
conditional
use
permit
and
therefore
stand
on
their
own.
N
K
A
quick
question
on
view
6c
so
which
this
so
this
is
the
signs
are
in
contention
in
the
le
Park
neighborhood
letter.
So
my
question
is
to
the
relevance
of
the
information
on
the
6c
perspective,
given
the
one
ways,
because
the
no
one
can
drive
down
ninth
street
to
see
the
information
on
that
side
right,
because
ninth
Street
is
one
way
in
the
opposite
direction
and
kind.
K
I
know,
and
so
what
I'm
asking
is
so
so
on
this
you
know
under
rendering
here
on
so
6a
jump
to
6a,
so
from
perspective,
6a,
that
information
on
that
side
of
the
sign
is
all
visible
from
somebody
driving
down
ninth
street
right
in
a
car
correct,
but
6c
is
the
opposite
side
of
the
sign.
The
other
side
and
my
question
is
who's
using
the
information
on
that
side
of
the
sign
it
is
not
facing.
K
Park
I
mean
it's
not
facing
the
drivers
on
park
right
because
it's
it's
parallel,
not
perpendicular
and
its
end.
There
aren't
any
drivers
on
ninth
Street.
That
would
see
it
from
that
perspective
because
it's
one
way,
and
so
so
what's
what
is
the
relevance
of
the
information
on
that
side
of
the
sign?
I.
N
O
C
Reno
a
question
maybe
for
the
applicant
or
for
staff
or
whoever
knows
I,
can't
seem
to
pull
it
up
on
google
street
view
right
now,
but
I
think
there's
that
sort
of
half
block
parking
ramp
on
between
portland
and
park.
Aren't
there
wall
signs
on
the
back
of
that
that
were
added
kinda
recently
and
if
so,
did
those
require
the
variance.
M
C
I
guess
I
was
just
wondering
turd
about
precedent
and
labeling
the
buildings
more
so
for
the
ones
that
are
kind
of
up
on
the
building,
rather
than
the
ones
that
are
down
on
the
ground.
I
mean
that's
a
big
blank
wall,
so
it's
a
little
bit
different,
but
you
know
if
we
approve
something
like
that.
A
couple
years
ago
might
be
relevant
over
thinking
about
right
now,
judge
just
wondering
if
we
knew
that.
A
And
so
now,
I
have
a
question:
if,
if
they
were
to
just
have
one
freestanding
sign,
are
there
any
requirements
with
respect
to
wear
that
sign
is
located?
Does
it
need
to
could
it
could
it
be
at
any
of
these
locations
or
does
it,
but
it
need
to
be
on
the
same
frontage
as
the
front
door
of
the
building.
It.
A
P
Thank
you,
I'm
Lynn,
the
Regnier
I'm
executive
director
of
the
Elliot
Park
neighborhood
organization,
and
we've
been
working
with
the
folks
at
HCMC,
first
on
their
clinic
and
then
more
recently
on
their
sign
plan
when
they
brought
their
sign
plan
to
the
community.
The
initial
reaction
was
that's
an
awful
lot
of
signs,
but
as
we
talk
some
more,
we
realized
that
it
wasn't
the
overall
the
number
of
signs.
P
It
was
specifically
the
monument
signs
and,
as
we
talked
to
even
more,
we
realize
it
was
specifically
the
the
monument
sign
at
the
corner
of
9th
and
park,
which
is
in
our
ninth
street
south
main
street
historic
district
and
there's
a
lovely
little
pocket
park
there.
That
HCMC
is
developing
that
will
be
open
for
the
public
to
use
the
other.
Three
monument
signs
seem
to
be
grounded
by
the
building.
P
They
are
closer
to
the
building
or
to
the
patio,
that's
on
the
Chicago
and
a
street
corner,
but
the
sign
that
the
historic
district
also
seems
to
float
on
its
own.
So
it's
size
seems
to
be
magnified.
We
worked
with
the
folks
at
HCMC
and
we
specifically
were
trying
to
get
that
sign
smaller.
As
stated
in
the
letter,
we
agreed
to
disagree
and
we
could
not
come
to.
We
were
at
an
impasse
at
that
point.
One.
P
I'd
like
to
do
where
did
he
go?
Oh
he's
over
there?
This
is
Kim
Voss
he's
a
consultant
with
our
organization
he's
going
to
beat
undies
Vanna
White
right
now
and
just
kind
of
point
to
the
door.
4
by
8.
Feet
is
larger
than
one
of
those
doors.
Kim
is
six
foot
one
and
that's
all
the
door
will
be
taller.
P
A
P
It'll
be
another
foot
wider,
so
we
just
wanted
to
point
that
out
in
terms
of
scale
with
with
people
that
will
be
there
in
standing
off.
You
know
standing
there
with
this
kind
of
it
seems
very
intrusive
in
the
park
and
it
seems
oversized
for
the
location.
It's
also
going
to
be
a
little
in
a
backward
sign,
I
believe,
which
has
some
consternation
for
some
people
there.
It
will
be
the
only
lit
sign
in
a
residential,
historic
district
as
well.
P
So
we
understand
the
need
for
wayfaring
any
of
us
who
have
driven
around
at
any
time
and
can't
find
your
way,
especially
for
a
hospital
in
a
clinic.
This
is
a
large
campus.
There
are
a
lot
of
buildings,
but
we
would
really
like
to
see
if
we
couldn't
get
that
signed
downsized
if
we
can't
get
rid
of
it
altogether,
because
it
is
quite
large.
Well
he's
not
there
anymore
he's
over
the
North,
that's
okay!
P
It's
just
been
a
wave
to
him
so
there
that
that
is
that
piece
of
it
and
what
we're
what
we're
thinking
we
have
had
a
very
cordial
with
respectful
relationship
with
our
friends
at
HCMC.
So
we
are
not
here
in
an
antagonistic
manner
at
all,
but
we're
just
speaking
to
the
historic
district
into
that
particular
corner.
You
have
any
questions
for
motion.
Mr.
P
On
there
you
know
we
did
specifically,
the
community
was
concerned
about
this
being
too
much
of
an
intrusion
into
the
small
park
as
well,
so
I
think
they
having
it
on
the
edge
of
the
park
seem
to
be
more
agreeable
to
the
community.
But
we
didn't
speak
very
you
know
about
other
things
that
could
be
done.
We
did
talk
at
one
point
about
you
see
this,
particularly
in
a
lot
of
old
cemeteries
where
they
have
the
the
iron
frame
working
at
the
top.
P
It
says
cemetery
and
we
were
suggesting
that
maybe
you
know
we
didn't
want
it
to
say
cemetery
of
course,
but
taking
this
monument
design,
making
it
smaller
and
making
it
appear
to
be
a
hanging
sign
of
some
sort
which
would
allow
for
the
height
that
HCMC
wanted.
So
cars
driving
around
could
see
above
cars
perhaps
but
making
it
incorporating
it
that
way
to
look
a
little
bit
more
store
for
something.
P
It's
very
it's
a
solid
mass,
except
for
you
know
that
space
that
one
foot
at
the
bottom,
with
the
open
iron
work,
so
I'm,
not
sure
how
you
could
change
that
piece
of
it.
You
know
I'm,
not
sure
I'm,
not
sure
I
could
answer
that,
specifically
for
the
community.
I
have
a
few
community
people
here.
If
they
wanted
matter,
give
me
some
direction
for.
O
O
Good
evening
I'm,
my
name
is
Michael
lives
already
and
I
live
at
625
South.
Ninth
street
I
actually
happened
to
have
been
born
in
Elliot
Park
and
have
lived
there
for
the
last
25
years
and,
as
Lynn
said,
I
think
the
neighborhood
is
is
very
grateful
that
we
have.
The
HCMC
has
decided
to
put
a
part
on
the
corner
there,
and
the
main
problem
we
have
is
with
the
sign,
and
also
for
me
that
the
fact
that
is
is
a
back
lift
multicolored
sign.
That
is
in
the
center
of
our.
O
You
know
several
very
historic
row
houses
and
it's
a
residential
area
that
seemed
that
the
time
just
seems
to
have
a
kind
of
a
commercial
encroachment
into
the
the
view
down.
Ninth
street
that
we
have
also,
I
think,
has
been
pointed
out
that
at
that
intersection
there
are
three
signs
that
are
visible,
and
this
freestanding
sign
is
the
smallest
of
the
three
and
so
that
it
seems
that
the
the
naming
and
the
the
wayfaring
issues
could
be
addressed
by
those
two
larger
signs.
So
right.
E
A
B
Be
my
name
is
Howard
young
I
live
on
the
intersection
of
9th
in
Portland
the
options,
a
bach
of
the
survivor,
saying
and
I'm
very
much
concerned
as
fall,
we
got
a
sign
and
the
actual
design
of
it
like
one
of
the
issues
that
Mike
was
concerned
about
is
the
lighting
the
restoration
work
that
he
has
done
on.
That
intersection
is
the
best
I've
seen
for
some
odd
years
of
purchasing
architecture.
B
The
detailing
is
beyond
what
immigrant,
I
would
say
better
than
the
way
the
building
was
built
originally
and
to
have
this
light
shining
in
this
big
box.
Looking
out
to
these
beautiful
historic
windows,
it's
a
little
bit,
not
as
nice
as
one
would
like
to
see-
and
I
would
like
the
sea
to
get
the
opportunity
to
sit
down
and
see
if
lighting
is
obviously
an
issue
for
people
living
within
a
structure
of
that
nature
and
the
other
historic
buildings.
One
of
the
questions
I
have
is
the
has
to
do
with
art.
B
That's
the
song
and
my
question:
is
there
any
reason
that
a
song
can
also
be
more
that
of
a
piece
of
artwork
which
oftentimes
draws
more
attention
than
a
big
square,
rectangular
box,
with
name
on
like
the
possibility
of
HCMC,
getting
a
little
bit
more
attention
a
little
bit
more?
Oh,
if
there
was
something
really
exciting
for
them
to
look
at
and
explain
to
you
very
artistically
that
around
the
corners
part-
and
this
is
a
CMC
I'm-
not
a
speaker.
G
A
A
C
At
the
superior
I
mean
I
guess
we're
going
to
get
to
in
a
minute.
I'm
not
really
opposed
to
the
freestanding
signs
around
the
around
the
property.
Here
you
know
thinking
about
sort
of
the
overall
minneapolis
skyline.
One
of
the
things
about
it.
That
is
nice,
is
that
there
aren't
a
whole
lot
of
signs
that
are
cluttering
it
up
kind
of
like
over
in
st.
Paul.
C
Lately,
we've
sort
of
made
some
exceptions
to
that
for,
like
the
wells,
fargo
project
over
a
few
blocks
north
of
here-
and
you
know-
I
guess
I
just
looking
at
a
finding
five
here
for
the
CU
p.
You
know
one
of
the
urban
design
policies
is
to
minimize
clutter,
and
so
this
is
sort
of
a
very
it
seems
like
a
small
thing,
but
I
guess
if
someone
then
proposes
something
across
the
street
and
they
want
to
put
a
sign
on
and
they
want
to
put
it
up
four
stories
higher
and
something
next
to
that.
L
D
E
E
A
E
J
A
E
A
K
J
Item
C
I'd
like
to
search
for
item
C,
I'd
like
to
make
a
change
in
the
text
to
state
that
approve
the
application
for
variance
to
increase
maximum
number
of
allowable
free-standing
signs
from
one
to
three
subject
to
the
following
conditions
and
I.
Think
we've
had
obviously
in
some
very
good
conversations
around
sign
number
identified
to
sign
number.
Six
and
I
think
that
the
the
neighborhood.
E
J
Some
really
good
points
in
in
their
letter,
but
looking
at
the
overall
signage
package
there
are,
there
are
five
building
ID
signs,
they're,
pretty
significant
they're
at
a
height
that
is
viewable
from
blocks,
if
not
miles
away.
There
are
four
identified
ground
level,
which
I
do
personally
believe
that
sign
number
six
is
redundant,
I,
think
it's
redundant
to
sign,
4.2
I,
think
it's
redundant
to
sign
five
and
redundant
to
sign
seven
and
in
some
cases
redundant
to
sign
eight,
so
I
would
prefer
not
to
see
sign
six
as
part
of
this,
this
application.
So
that's.
B
I
I
I
I
will
support
the
amendments
made
by
Commissioner
slack
because
I
do
things
are
too
may
freestanding
signs
here.
I
do
think
sign.
Six
is
needed
from
a
wayfinding
perspective,
I
mean
the
vast
majority
of
vehicles
coming
in
this
facility
because
of
the
one
ways
and
the
drop-off
are
coming
around
this
corner,
so
I
do
think
that
signs
needed.
I
would
encourage
the
applicant
to
continue
working
on
the
historic
quality
of
that
sign.
I
think
maybe
shrinking
it
up.
Ten
percent
and
putting
some
more
iron
on
the
sides
would
help
downplay
it.
I
J
You
know
I,
think
Commissioner.
Krauser
raises
a
good
point,
spend
some
time
literally
driving
around
the
site
this
weekend,
trying
to
visualize
the
building
and
the
signers
locations.
And,
honestly
I
100%
agree
with
wayfinding.
I
just
feel
like
you're
not
going
to
miss
this
building,
no
matter
where
you're
coming
from
it's
a
it's,
a
very
distinct
from
an
architectural
standpoint.
It's
unique
it's
within
the
within
this
medical
district
and
I.
L
J
O
D
Thank
you,
I
guess,
I
just
like
to
recommend,
in
accordance
with
my
comments
earlier,
that
the
one
corner
that
may
or
may
not
end
up
with
the
sign
is
going
to
be
the
one
that
has
the
beautification
of
the
park
I'd
like
to
strongly
encourage
the
applicant
to
make
those
other
three
signs.
Look
like
the
nice
one
that
you
had
proposed
here.
D
I
think
that
the
concrete
corners
could
use
a
little
bit
more
attention
with
with
the
way
that
the
signs
look,
I,
think
I
think
a
problem
that
HCMC
has
always
had
is
that
people
don't
know
where
to
go
in,
for
what
they're
doing
and
part
of
that
is
with
the
structures
that
exist
now.
I
agree
with
Commissioner
slack
that
this
one
has
a
nice
obvious
entrance,
and
some
of
that
should
be
eliminated,
but
I
would
sure
like
to
see
that
nice-looking
sign
in
all
other
places.
If
that's
possible,.