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Description
Minneapolis Public Safety, Civil Rights & Emergency Management Committee Meeting
A
Right
good
afternoon,
this
is
a
regularly
scheduled
meeting
of
the
Public
Safety
civil
rights
and
Emergency
Management
Committee
meeting
today
is
November
29
2007
teen
I
am
councilmember
gwangyang
I'm
the
chair
of
this
committee
with
me
today.
Our
accounts
members,
Reich
Palmisano,
Gordon,
Quincy
and
council
president
Johnson.
A
We
have
a
full
complement
of
this
committee,
and
so
you
can
conduct
the
business
of
this
committee.
Today
we
have
several
items
in
several
or
several
consent
items
and
then
several
public
hearings,
I,
will
read
out
the
consent
items
first
and
then
we'll
address
the
public
hearing
piece.
Next
and
I
have
one
item
that
I'm
gonna
change,
which
is
the
receive
and
file
which
is
item
number
10,
and
we
will
just
put
that
on
the
consent
items
so
that
we
don't
necessarily
need
to
do
the
presentation
for
that.
We'll
just
receive
that.
A
So
with
that
I
will
read
the
consent
items
item
number
one
is
the
contract
amendment
with
trans
languages,
LLC
for
translation
and
interpretation
and
services
item
two
is
the
grant
from
the
Minnesota
Homeland
Security
and
Emergency
management's
for
the
police
bomb
disposal
unit
services.
Item
three
is
a
joint
powers
agreement
for
participation
in
the
Minnesota
Bureau
of
Criminal
Apprehension,
human,
human
trafficking,
investigators,
Task
Force
item
four
is
a
contract
amendment
with
four
sites;
consulting
services,
LLC
for
tabletop
services
and
after-action
reporting
and
item
number.
A
B
A
It's
we
will
now
get
to
our
public
hearing
or
hearings.
There
are
see
there
are
five
public
hearings
today.
The
first
one
is
appointment
to
the
police
conduct
oversight
Commission.
The
second
is
appointments
to
the
Minneapolis
Commission
on
civil
rights.
The
third
item
is
the
Civil
Rights
Ordinance?
A
C
Cheeri,
an
council
president
johnson
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
the
manager
far
I'm
the
director
of
the
office
of
police
conduct
review
and
today
we're
putting
forward
a
slate
of
candidates
to
be
approved
by
you
for
the
police
conduct
oversight.
Commission,
you
can
see
the
candidates
here
on
this
slide.
All
of
them
are
reappointments,
with
the
exception
of
kate
Bischoff.
Who
is
here
if
you'd
like
to
ask
her
or
myself
any
questions.
A
John's
members,
any
questions
all
right,
seeing
none
I
will
open
up
the
public
hearing
and
anyone
who
wants
to
speak
and
come
up
and
you
know
I,
don't
imagine
we
have
a
long
list
of
folks
and
so
I'm
not
going
to
ask
you
to
sign
up
with
the
clerk.
At
this
point.
Anybody
who
wants
to
speak
during
the
public
hearing
please
come
on
up
we'll
give
you
three
minutes
and
kind
of
go
from
there.
A
D
D
Was
available
in
the
Minneapolis
City
website
from
a
comment
that
someone
made
a
year
ago
when
there
were
a
similar
appointment
to
hearing
and
I
thought
it,
it
made
some
sense.
Why
I
like
to
read
it?
It's
very
short:
it
came
from
someone
named
Chuck,
turgid.
It
was
dated
November
25th
2016,
their
public
safety,
civil
rights
and
emergency
management
committee.
It
seems
we
go
through
this.
D
Every
time
you
hold
the
quote:
public
hearing
on
appointments
to
the
public
conduct
oversight,
Commission,
the
police
conduct,
the
police,
conduct
oversight,
Commission
the
police
conduct
review
panel
and
the
Civil
Rights
Commission.
Once
again,
your
agenda
provides
no
links
to
the
publicly
available
information
about
the
appointees.
Why,
in
heaven's
name,
do
you
invite
the
public
to
a
public
hearing
when
the
public
knows
nothing
about
the
appointees
other
than
the
wards
they
live
in?
Why
do
you
waste
money
on
such
a
hearing?
D
Why
don't
you
amend
the
charter
or
ordinances
or
rules
that
require
such
sham
theories?
I?
Don't
expect
to
live
to
see
you
today,
but
one
of
these
years,
maybe
we
can
get
a
city
council
that
takes
these
public
hearings
a
little
more
seriously
yours
for
real
transparency,
Chuck
searching
I
renew
that
email
this
year.
D
My
suggestion
is
that
for
those
of
us
who
made
data
practices
requests
to
get
the
public
portion
of
the
applications
for
the
people
who
were
appointed
in
the
unsuccessful
applicants,
the
material
that
we
that
we
receive
has
to
do
with
their
background
related
any
required
the
desirable
qualification
listed
in
the
notice.
My
suggestion
would
be
since
they
are.
These
applicants
are
asked
during
the
their
interviews.
Why
not
include
a
question
on
the
form
specific
to
the
PCO?
See,
for
example,
like
what
do
you
think
the
PCO?
Should
you
do?
D
Do
you
have
an
interest
in
any
any
other,
any
particular
projects
you
think
they
should
be
engaged
in?
How
do
you
see
the
role
of
the
pto
C
for
the
public?
They
have
access
to
that
kind
of
information.
It
would
be
very
valuable
and
my
observation
is
that
I'm,
looking
on
the
publicly
available
portions
of
the
applications
and
I
noticed
for
the
unsuccessful
applicants,
these
are
their
occupations,
social
worker
writer,
editor,
Manufacturing,
attorney,
guest
relations,
supervisor,
senior
recruiter
and
founder
CEO,
Human,
Services,
professional
product
manager
and
student.
D
These
are
the
five
successful
applicants,
their
occupations
attorney
employment
attorney,
Human,
Rights,
consultant,
lawyer
attorney
and
attorney
criminal
defense.
All
five
of
the
successful
applicants
attorneys
is
not
required
in
the
ordinance.
One
of
the
nine
unsuccessful
applicants
is
an
attorney
I
think
that's
skewed
a
little
bit
having
favor
of
the
attorneys
thank.
F
Yes,
thank
you.
I'm
Dave
picking,
4200
Cedar
Avenue
in
Minneapolis
I.
Second
Chuck's
comments.
Again
it's
very
hard
to
comment
on
applicants
when
we
don't
get
that
information.
Fortunately,
Chuck
forwarded
that
information
to
me
so
I
have
at
least
a
little
bit
to
go
on
in
order
to
comment
on
the
new
P
COC
members
and
the
reappointments,
of
course,
jock
and
myself
and
Jan,
and
a
few
people
who
follow
the
P
COC
quite
regularly
and
conform.
Some.
You
know
opinions
based
on
that
yeah.
F
So
there's
there's
little
known
about
these
people
I
do
have
a
concern.
One
of
my
concerns
was
the
same
as
chucks
that
are
five
people
being
appointed.
Five
of
them
are
attorneys.
This
seems
to
be
more
than
coincidence,
more
than
what
would
be
representative
of
the
Minneapolis
population
for
a
citizen
Commission.
F
These
are
not
supposed
to
be
necessarily
professionals
or
professionals
related
to
this
particular
field,
but
people,
you
know
more
representative
of
the
community
and
we're
not
seeing
that
of
the
two
who
remain
I,
don't
know
one's
occupation
and
the
other
one
is
not
an
attorney
but
he's
currently
working
for
a
law
firm.
That's
that's!
Six
people
in
that
field,
so
that's
one
of
my
concerns
with
the
appointment
of
Kate
Bischoff,
who
I
don't
know
and
I
can't
really
form
an
opinion
of
her
as
a
person.
F
But
I
do
have
a
few
concerns
about
her
background
other
than
being
attorney.
She
is
an
attorney
who
works
exclusively
for
employers
in
human
resources.
Now
that
means
that
she,
you
know,
sets
policies
and
that's
a
good
thing
related
to
this.
Hopefully
sets
policies
that
avoid
liability,
that's
a
good
thing,
but
being
an
attorney
representing
human
relations
for
employers.
She
is
also
the
person
who
defends
the
employer
whenever
there
is
a
lawsuit
regarding
the
actions
of
one
of
the
employees.
F
It
would
be
extremely
similar
to
the
function
of
the
Internal
Affairs
Unit.
In
the
Minneapolis
Police
Department
also
since
she's
only
worked
for
employers.
In
this
case,
the
employer
is
the
Minneapolis
Police
Department,
regardless
of
her
qualifications.
In
our
opinions,
which
I
have
no
idea,
what
they
are
I
might
I
might
think
very
highly
of
her,
but
that
seems
to
be
something:
that's
not
really
appropriate
for
a
citizen
Board
of
Commissioners,
who
are
you
know,
dealing
with
the
issues
and
problems
of
the
Minneapolis
Police
Department.
F
There
are
some
other
I
think
very
highly
qualified
candidates,
one
that
struck
me
was
Emily
Mathies
who's,
a
social
worker
and
has
worked
in
the
mental
health
field
and
has
worked
with
officers
when
there's
mental
health
emergencies
that
something
that
PC
OSI
is
currently
working
on
and
I
think
would
be
a
very
good
background.
There
are
other
choices
and,
as
I
say
nothing
personally
against
Miss
Bischoff,
but
it
seems
inappropriate
to
me.
Thank
you.
A
G
A
H
Aaron
cornfield
Aliyah
Hodge
Mary
Moultrie,
Cady,
Armond,
Eddie's,
Alphonso,
Cornish,
Brian,
Malloy,
Anika,
Robinson,
Paul,
Kirkman,
David,
Farrar,
Donna,
Megerian,
Dominique,
Jones,
Cindy,
Lord,
Jennifer,
true
Ian,
Shanaya,
Turner,
Smith
and
Elizabeth
Simons
I'm
happy
to
stand
there,
questions!
If
you
have
it.
Okay,.
A
I
Thank
you.
My
name
is
Amy
Bergquist
I
live
in
Ward
3
at
700
South.
Second
Street
and
I
am
currently
serving
on
the
Commission
on
civil
rights.
As
an
attorney
member
of
the
Commission
I
was
appointed
in
July
2014
I
am
here
in
my
individual
capacity
I'm,
not
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
Commission
and
I,
also
know
that
I
am
an
interested
party.
I
My
first
concern
is
that
the
department's
proposed
slate
of
commissioners
seems
not
to
be
in
compliance
with
the
ordinance
in
two
respects.
First,
the
ordinance
sets
a
commission
consisting
of
21
members.
The
department
seems
to
have
elected
to
leave
two
seats,
seats,
11
and
14
vacant,
while
the
department's
report
to
the
committee
says
that
39
as
residents
applied.
So
there
are
two
vacancies
that
the
department
has
elected
to
remain
vacant
and
second,
it
seems
that
only
three
attorneys
will
be
serving
on
the
Commission.
As
of
January
2018.
I
The
ordinance
requires
a
minimum
of
six
and
a
maximum
of
eight
attorneys
to
serve
on
the
Commission.
The
Commission
I
will
note
also
started
2017,
not
in
compliance
with
ordinance.
In
both
of
these
respects,
we
started
2017
with
only
14
commissioners
out
of
21
seats,
and
we
had
only
five
attorneys,
not
the
minimum
of
six
in
2014.
Now
we
have
four
attorneys,
because
one
of
those
attorneys
is
no
longer
on
the
Commission
and
only
two
of
those
attorneys
will
be
continuing
next
year.
I
This
points
to
an
additional
need
for
transparency
from
the
department
in
its
reports
to
this
committee.
The
report
from
this
department
at
this
time
last
year
noted
that
some
new
appointees
were
filling
vacant
seats,
while
others
were
replacing.
Commissioners
quote,
who
chose
not
to
reapply
there's
no
similar
notation
this
year.
Nor
is
there
any
notation
that
two
commissioners
had
reapplied,
including
myself,
but
had
not
been
selected.
I
Also,
with
respect
to
the
attorney
requirement
reports
from
the
department
to
this
committee
at
this
time
in
2014,
2015
and
2016
included
an
attorney
notation
for
people
who
were
attorneys,
but
there's
no
such
notation
in
this
year's
report,
and
it
makes
it
difficult
for
the
City
Council
and
for
this
body
to
determine
whether
the
slate
of
proposed
commissioners
is
in
compliance
with
the
ordinance.
Thank
you
for
your
attention.
I
F
Dave
picking
4200
Cedar
Avenue.
Yes,
this
is
a
commission
that
I
have
not
followed
nearly
as
closely
as
the
ones
more
directly
associated
with
about
policing,
but
at
one
time
the
Commission
on
civil
rights
was
a
very
good
place
for
people
to
take
a
complaint
of
discrimination
by
the
police
when
they
didn't
have
enough
to
have
a
full-blown
lawsuit
or
whatever
and
people
could
get
some
compensation
and
I
know
that
happens.
Sometimes
I've
witnessed
one
case
that
was
like
that.
F
But
under
your
watch
and
watch
out,
the
director
of
Civil
Rights,
Velma
Korbel,
the
Civil
Rights
Commission,
seems
to
be
falling
apart.
I
say
this
sum:
was
an
outsider,
so
I
don't
know
the
full
details
of
how
this
goes.
I
have
mostly
what's
on
the
website
to
go
by,
but
yes
for
the
past
year
and
I've
checked
occasionally
for
the
past
year,
there
have
been
seven
vacant
seats
out
of
21,
that's
pretty
outrageous
and
to
leave
a
couple
of
vacancies.
F
Now,
while
there
is
still
qualified
people,
I
think
indicates
a
lack
of
interest
or
a
desire
to
control
the
Commission
by
only
appointing
certain
of
the
right
people.
The
lack
of
lawyers
also
I
noted
as
well
and
I
think
that's
very
important,
but
here's
something
right
on
the
website
of
the
Civil
Rights
Commission.
It
says
that,
yes,
the
Commission
is
comprised
of
21
Minneapolis
residents,
whose
primary
function
as
a
commissioner
is
to
serve
on
administrative
hearing
panels
that
decide
discrimination
cases.
F
The
panels
consists
of
three
commissioners,
the
one
of
them
at
least
has
to
be
a
lawyer
which
is
obviously
where
you
get
the
requirement
that
six
to
eight
out
of
the
twenty-one
should
be
lawyers
so
that
that's
the
primary
function.
It
says
here
also
on
another
page
of
the
Civil
Rights
Commission
website.
It
says
on
December
4th
2014,
and
this
is
a
page
that's
currently
up.
So
we
assume
that
this
is
still
the
case
on
December
4th
2014.
F
F
Does
anybody
care
about
this
I
mean
I,
noticed
it,
because
I
look
occasionally
at
the
pages
of
the
Civil
Rights
Department,
but
boy.
If
this
is
new
news
to
you
folks,
there
is
something
seriously
seriously
wrong
here
and
I'm
afraid
the
Commission
on
civil
rights
has
been
allowed
to
basically
disintegrate
I.
Look
at
some
of
their
meeting
minutes
and,
to
be
honest,
it
seems
like
the
biggest
thing
that
they
do
at
their
meetings
is
to
run
the
annual
Martin
Luther
King
students
essay
contest
their
most
of
the
committees,
don't
meet
because
they
don't
have
quorum.
F
A
D
Mr.
chair
committee,
members
rector
take
21000
avenue
south
minneapolis.
I
had
no
intention
of
speaking
in
this
portion
of
the
hearings.
I
know
nothing
about
the
Civil
Rights
Commission,
but
if
there's
a
shortage
of
attorneys
on
the
Civil
Rights
Commission
and
there's
an
excess
of
attorneys
on
the
PCO,
see
I
know
where
you
can
solve
one
problem.
D
D
Then
she
became
a
lawyer
and
went
on
to
serve
as
a
clerk
to
a
US,
Supreme
Court
Justice,
Ruth,
Bader
Ginsburg,
and
it
seems
to
me
there
must
be
something
going
on
behind
the
scenes
for
her
not
to
be
reappointed
to
the
civil
rights
civil
rights.
Commission.
I
know
that
she
has
spoken
out
at
public
meetings.
I
have
heard
her
speaking
out
on
police
conduct
issues.
I,
don't
know.
D
J
Thank
You
mr.
chair,
what
I
wanted
to
do
was
amend
the
recommendation
to
approve
the
reappointment
of
ami
Bergquist
for
seat
14
I.
Believe
it's
for
a
two-year
term,
beginning
January,
1st
2018,
although
I
have
to
say
that
in
Amy's
note
it
says
it
was
a
C.
14
is
a
three-year
term.
So
I'll
move
my
my
research
that
I
came
said
a
two-year
term
beginning
in
January
1.
J
K
You
mr.
chair
I,
guess
I
would
ask
staff
to
respond
to
the
you
know.
Several
things
that
were
brought
up.
Who
and
I
would
just
ask
for
some
background.
Who
was
the
review
committee
for
these
39
applicants
and
how
was
it
determined
who
would
be
recommended
for
reappointment
and
new
appointments
and
that
sort
of
thing
and
then
I
think
it
is
important
to
address
miss
Burke,
was
talks
about
in
in
her
letter
about
the
lack
of
quorum
at
meetings
and
vacancies,
and
so
on
and
I
I
will
just
I
will
just
say
to
mr.
K
H
Cheerio
Council
President
Johnson
to
answer
some
of
the
questions.
So
when
we
were
undergoing
interviews
today
interviews
we
had
it
was
myself.
It
was
a
former
member
of
the
Commission
who
has
since
joined
the
department,
and
it
was
our
equity
division
director
who
is
also
part
of
that.
We
also
sent
out,
invites
to
all
of
the
council
members
to
attend
those
interviews
and,
and
unfortunately,
I
think
your
schedules
do
not
permit
you
being
a
part
of
that
and
then.
H
Secondly,
we
look
at
a
myriad
of
things
when
we
are
looking
at
reappointments
and
new
appointments.
We
look
at
experience,
but
that's
not
a
deciding
factor.
We
look
at
desire.
We
look
at
transferable
skills,
we
look
at
collaboration
and
we
look
at
all
of
those
things
on
top
of
with
with
returning
commissioners,
we
ask
about
their
activity
level,
particularly
in
this
year
we
asked
about
the
activity
level
of
going
out
to
to
community.
H
We
have
a
lot
of
issues
that
are
facing
that
a
lot
of
community
are
facing
a
lot
of
civil
rights
issues,
in
particular
with
the
new
administration
overall
at
the
federal
level,
and
so
when
we
were
talking
to
reappointed
commissioners,
we
asked
them
to
kind
of
go
through
their
activity
level
and
going
out
to
community
connecting
with
them
their
availability
to
do
so,
not
only
in
the
past
year,
but
over
their
10
their
tenure
overall.
And
then
we
actually
look
at
yours
on
the
Commission.
H
We
know
that
that
we
always
want
to
have
a
diversity
of
thought.
Commission,
and
sometimes
there
are
commissioners
who
have
been
on
for
an
extended
period
of
time
and
we
want
new
ideas
and
new
thought
processes,
and
we
also
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
diversity
of
people
also
in
experience
level
where
they
come
from
and
also
in
race,
color,
creed,
religion,
etc.
H
K
H
So
let
me
talk
about
that
a
little
bit
that
has
been
a
real
big
concern
of
ours.
We've
there
is
there.
There
is
currently
an
absence
policy
that
was
that
was
in
the
Minneapolis
Civil
Rights
Ordinance.
That
spoke
to
the
fact
that
if
commissioners
were
not
present
at
for
meetings
throughout
a
calendar
year
that
they
would
be
let
go
from
the
Commission
that
was
put
in
place
specifically
to
make
sure
that
if
you're
going
to
be
involved
in
a
body
in
which
we
are
trying
to
forward
the
idea
is
the
civil
rights
within
the
community.
H
You
should
be
present
during
the
majority
of
the
of
the
meetings
and,
unfortunately,
what
happened
is
a
lot
of
commissioners
were
not
present,
and
so
they
were
based
on
the
ordinance
they
were,
but
they
were
taken
off.
The
committee
I
will
say
that
there
is
a
process
in
getting
new
commissioners.
It's
not
as
if
we
as
a
department,
just
try
to
go
out
and
say,
there's
a
there's,
ongoing
application,
there's
there's
a
whole
process.
H
Quite
frankly,
is
the
fact
that
we
want
commissioners
who
are
able
to
go
out
to
community
to
address
the
civil
rights
issues,
come
back
and
figure
out
how
we
can
have
an
impact
not
only
just
on
the
commission
of
the
department,
but
maybe
even
more
collaboratively,
and
so
when
we
were
when
we
were
picking
commissioners
this
year,
we
feel
that
it
is
rebuilding
and
we
do
take
civil
rights
extremely
extremely
seriously
in
our
department.
And
so
when
we
were
building
cumin,
we
were
building
the
Civil
Rights
Commissioner,
putting
the
site
forward.
K
H
So
we
we
believe
that
we
did
have
enough
attorneys
on
the
panel
going
forward.
That
could
happen
an
oversight
on
our
on
our
end.
We
always
are.
It
is
quite
we
particularly
try
to
get
attorneys
to
be
on
the
Commission,
assuming
that
we
take
into
consideration
all
the
things
that
I've
talked
about
earlier
in
committee
and,
quite
frankly,
attorneys
are
they're
very
time
strapped
in
in
having
and
getting
into
the
getting
on
to
the
Commission.
We
have
no
intention
and
shirking
the
responsibility
or
the
requirement
of
having
attorneys
on
the
Commission.
Okay,
thanks
thank.
J
Don't
question
but
I
just
have
a
comment.
I
really
appreciate
that
the
panel
and
group
in
the
process
that
went
through
in
my
and
my
effort
to
change
it
now
wasn't
necessarily
to
say
that
work
wasn't
satisfactory.
I
also
regret
that
I
couldn't
be
part
of
it
in
previous
years.
Actually
I've
been
part
of
the
review
panels
and
I
suspect.
If
I'd
in
there
I
could
have
been
do
the
reviews
with
all
of
the
other
group
was
there,
and
maybe
we
would
have
come
up
with
this.
J
What
this
fix
before
now
so
I
apologize
that,
but
I
also
think
it
was
just
the
role
of
our
committee
to
review,
to
review
it
and
look
at
it
I'm
very
interested
in
trying
to
have
a
full
slate.
As
we
can
I
understand,
there
still
be
one
more
vacancy
they,
but
that
so
that's
all
right
and
I
think
I
just
didn't
want
anyone
to
feel
like
I
was.
J
H
Please
I,
just
I
did
want
to
address
one
thing
when
we're
talking
about
the
quorum
issues
that
were
brought
up.
We
have
once
he's
the
proposed
title.
7
ordinance
of
amendments
attempted
to
change
that,
because
the
quorum
has
been
set
at
a
specific
number
in
keeping
in
practice
with
other
boards
and
commissions,
and
things
like
that.
We've
we've
sought
to
change
it
to
a
majority
of
the
of
the
of
the
of
the
commissioners.
So
we
don't.
We
can
continue
to
conduct
business
and
if
this
happens
again
not
have
those
quorum
issues.
H
Was
originally
written
back
in
decades
and
decades
ago
it
was
not
solid,
and
so
when
we
have
the
turnover
of
commissioners
who
are
not
attending
on
a
regular
basis
and
it
hasn't
been
filled
right,
it's
been
the
nine,
a
quorum
can't
imagine
and
so
to
keep
pace
with,
what's
actually
happening
and
like
I
said
boards
and
commissions,
currently
not
only
in
the
city
but
in
other
places.
But
it's
the
majority
of
active
Commission,
okay,
good.
K
Mr.
chair
can
I
just
I'm
I'm
not
going
to
support
this
motion
today.
I'm
sorry,
miss
just
I,
I
have
to
say,
I
respect
the
process
and
I
know
that
there
are.
You
know
there
can
be
challenges
in
some
of
the
dynamics
that
happen
in
a
in
a
committee
of
people
and
so
I,
just
I,
don't
I,
don't
know.
Miss
Burke
was
but
I'm
I'm
not
gonna,
be
spreading.
This
motion
today
I
think.
H
A
All
right,
any
other
comments.
Questions
might
seem
none.
The
motion
before
us
is
to
approve
the
following
counsel:
reappointment
for
a
two-year
term,
beginning
January,
1st
2018
and
ending
December
31st
2019,
and
the
name
can
put
forward
by
councilmember.
Gordon
is
Amy
Burley's
for
seat.
14
were
three
all
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye,
okay,
the
eyes
have
it
motion
carries
and
we
will
go
to
item
number
six
as
a
whole.
So
it's
a
slate
and.
A
E
A
Opposed
okay,
the
motion
carries
I,
have
to
stab
directions
related
to
these.
These
two
prior
public
hearings,
the
one
on
the
police
conduct,
oversight,
Commission
and
the
Minneapolis
Commission
on
civil
rights
and
the
first
one
is
I
scented
sin:
I'm
sharing,
I
apologize,
I
sent
it
to
you
all
via
email.
A
The
first
one
is
directing
staff
to
provide
accessibility
to
all
applicants
publicly
available
information
when
publishing
agendas
for
public
hearings,
considering
appointments
about
the
police
conduct
oversight
committee
and
the
Commission
on
civil
rights,
but
I
mean
any
of
these
other
appointments
through
the
Civil
Rights
Department,
and
it
I'm
gonna
speak
on
that
really
quickly.
I.
Just
think
that
when
we
have
public
hearings,
me
know,
if
you
don't
know
anything
about
the
folks
that
we
were
pointing
I
mean
I.
Think
to
to
mr.
Turkus
points,
I
mean:
why
do
we
even
have
a
public
hearing?
A
A
It's
appropriate
to
have
links
to
the
qualifications
or
resumes
or
something
like
that
help
all
of
us
council
members
included
in
making
these
appointments-
and
you
know
I
just
checked
with
the
city
attorney
who
staffs
our
committee
and
you
know,
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
there
are
any
prohibitions
against
that
necessarily
and
I
think
it's
important
to
at
least
have
that,
so
that
we
can
actually
have
public
hearings.
That
mean
something,
and
so
those
are
my
comments.
Any
other
comments
come
on
Gordon.
A
Okay,
all
those
in
favor
of
the
first
half
direction,
please
say
aye
any
opposed.
Okay
and
the
next
one
is
sap
direction,
directing
the
City
Attorney's
Office
review,
the
compliance
of
the
membership
of
both
the
police
conduct,
oversight,
committee
and
Commission
on
civil
rights,
and
you
know
I
think
to
that
points.
Man
I
think
it's
just
important.
That
know.
As
a
committee
of
me,
we
take
our
responsibilities
seriously
to
look
at
these
sorts
of
things.
You
know,
I,
don't
think
anybody
up
here
has
the
time
to
really
go.
A
Look
at
the
ordinance-
and
you
know,
look
at
every
single
thing
and
see
if
the
requirements
are
match
for
specific
members
and
all
that
stuff
and
I
think
it's
important
for
the
city
attorney's
office
to
take
a
look
at
that
now.
It
might
be
fairly
easy
for
them
to
do
that,
but
I
mean
it
helps
us
to
at
least
be
doing
this
right
so
that
these
meetings
that
are
happening
actually
meet
the
chorim's
actually
follow.
A
L
I
fully
support
the
staff
direction.
I
wondered
if
we
might
want
to
consider
adding
some
language.
That
said,
make
any
recommendations
as
appropriate,
as
well
as
put
a
timeline
on
this
item
back
to
this
committee.
By
at
some
certain
point:
okay,
I,
don't
know
what
that
would
be.
That's
up
to
you
as
the
author,
but
I
thought.
I
would
add
those
I
think
those
are
two
components:
that
of
a
staff
direction
that
are
more
helpful.
Okay,.
K
You
mr.
chair
I'm,
just
wondering
if
part
of
our
process
and
procedure
is
hampering
the
ability
to
fill
vacancies
when
we
have
these
deadlines,
or
only
a
couple
times
a
year
where
we
have
openings.
Do
you
know
what
I'm
saying
we
had
that
that
review
of
how
we
get
our
open
appointments
process
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
we've
handicapped
you
by
requiring
time
timeframes
or
appointments?
K
B
Chair
council,
president
and
committee
members,
my
name
is
Velma
Carbone
with
the
director
and
the
Department
of
Civil
Rights.
You
know
you're
right
cause.
The
president.
The
process
that
we
use
is
the
process
that
is
administered
by
the
clerk's
office
right,
so
the
I
don't
know
if
all
the
committee
knows
that,
and
certainly
for
people
behind
me,
but
so
the
process
that
we
use
the
the
way.
The
item
is
formatted
when
it
comes
to
the
City
Council,
the
information
that's
there,
that
is
all
part
of
the
clerk's
process.
B
B
Is
this
end
of
the
year
cycle
that
we're
on
right
now
and
then
there's
also
a
cycle
that
happens
in
the
summer,
and
so
one
of
the
ways
that
we
typically
fill
vacancies
that
exist
on
the
slate
at
the
end
of
the
year
is
to
continue
to
recruit
for
those
positions
and
then
come
back
in
a
summer
term.
So
the
two
positions
are
now.
One
position
that
we
had
left
open
was
simply
to
continue
to
recruit
attorneys
to
move
into
into
those
into
those
roles.
B
So,
with
regard
to
hampering
the
work,
two
other
things
that
I
would
say,
there's
a
difference
between
the
the
contested
case
hearing
and
the
administrative
hearings
that
these
attorneys
are
sitting
on.
The
administrative
hearings
for
appeals
is
the
more
time
intensive,
it's
a
more
regularly
recurring
thing,
and
that
happens
on
an
ongoing
basis,
and
so
this
notion
that
we
are
only
having
contested
case
hearings
or
attorneys
are
only
being
utilized
every
eight
years.
I'd
also
like
to
correct
that
for
for
the
committee,
attorneys
are
utilized
in
this
work
on
an
ongoing
basis.
B
The
contested
case
hearings
for
folks
who
may
not
know
what
that
is.
It's
very
much
like
a
trial.
The
format
that
it
takes
is
very
much
like
a
trial.
If
you
go
onto
the
website
and
look
at
the
picture,
that's
on
the
website
about
the
contested
case.
Hearing
that
happened
in
2014.
You
will
see
it
took
place
over
at
the
University
of
Minnesota.
It's
set
up
just
like
a
trial
that
the
commissioners
act
like
like
that
panel
of
pendulum
of
jurors.
B
So
it
is
I
just
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
the
way
the
work
is
is
structured.
So
people
understand
how
those
attorneys
are
used,
and
the
other
thing
that
miss
Shelton
volchok's
said
is
that
attorneys
are
very
busy
and
the
work
that
they
do
on
the
Civil
Rights
Commission
Commission
is
very
intensive
because
when
we
send
a
case
to
them,
they're
reviewing
files
they're
reviewing
evidence,
they're
reviewing
materials,
they're
writing
summaries.
B
B
Bill
Collins
is
supposed
to
fill
my
bucket,
not
know
take
away
that,
no
from
the
things
that
I
want
to
do
as
a
volunteer,
so
it
is
a
very
labor
intensive,
volunteer
role
that
they
do
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
people
know
sort
of
the
the
structure
and
the
distinction
between
the
contesta
case
here
in
the
administrative
hearing.
This
hearings
that
we
do
it's
a
lot.
A
Thank
you
any
other
questions
in
come
in
starting
this
second
set
direction
and
council
member
Quincy
I'm
gonna
make
the
amendment
that
reads
in
part,
directing
the
City
Attorney's
Office
to
review
the
compliance
of
the
membership
of
both
the
police
conduct,
oversight
committee
and
the
Commission
on
civil
rights,
and
this
is
the
new
stuff
and
make
recommendations
as
needed.
The
City
Attorney's
Office
shall
report
back
to
this
community
by
the
end
of
February
2018.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
I
should
I
ask
for
a
vote
on
amendment
okay,
okay,
I'm,
all
those
in
favor
of
the
amendments,
please
say:
aye
aye
and
then
we
will
vote
on
the
Saffir
action.
All
those
in
favor
of
the
staff
direction,
please
say,
aye
aye
opposed
motion
carries
thank
you.
So
much
and
again
my
apologies
for
maybe
breaking
with
the
way
we
usually
do
things
by
just
not
casting
out
of
that
direction
and
running
the
meeting
while
doing
this.
A
So,
thank
you
appreciate
that
all
right
we
will
move
on
to
the
next
public
hearing
and
that
is
the
Civil
Rights
Ordinance
and
it's
a
passage
of
the
ordinance
amending
title
7
of
the
Minneapolis
Code
of
Ordinances
related
to
civil
rights,
updating
the
Civil
Rights
Ordinance
and
the
staff
member.
Who
is
going
to
do
that.
Please
step
up.
H
Cheering
Council
President
Johnson
council
committee
members
once
again,
I'm
daniel
shelton,
I'm
the
director
of
the
complaint
investigations,
division
of
the
civil
rights
office
and,
along
with
my
colleague,
sean
skivvy,
who
is
the
director
of
the
contract
compliance
division.
We
will
be
giving
a
very
brief
overview
of
the
proposed
title.
7
amendments.
H
So
since
1967,
the
title
seven
has
had
a
variety
of
changes,
but
what
has
not
happened
is
actually
a
full
comprehensive
update
of
title
7.
So
when
we
were
going
about
doing
this
task
of
updating
it,
we
had
four
objectives
in
mind.
We
wanted
to
create
more
clarity
and
readability
for
anyone.
Reading
the
origin
ordinance
we
wanted
to
update
its
norman
clay
Chur.
H
We
were
attempting
to
make
the
ordinance
provisions
consistent,
not
only
with
Department
practices,
but
with
also
with
the
Minnesota
Department
of
Human
Rights,
and
any
federal
and
state
statutes
in
case
law,
and
we
were
attempting
to
create
accountability
in
the
areas
of
equity,
specifically
in
section
139
5-0,
which
governs
contract
compliance
so
as
an
example
of
clarity
and
readability,
jurisdictional
elements.
So
basically
the
jurisdictional
requirements
of
bringing
a
claim
within
the
department
in
an
investigation
were
spread
all
across
the
ordinance.
H
We
always
we
also
wanted
to
update
the
norman
cloture
quite
frankly
and
make
it
acceptable
and
appropriate
for
normal
cultural
parlance.
So,
first
of
all,
we
deleted
what
was
offensive
terms
such
as
ghettos
in
one
39.1
zero.
We
also
wanted
to
update
legal
language
too,
and
so
we
deleted
the
definition
of
reprisal.
As
an
example,
we
substituted
out
with
the
current
own
language.
H
That's
used
for
four
cases,
which
is
retaliation
in
particularly
the
employment
context,
and
now
that's
consistent
with
federal
and
state
statutes
and
case
law,
and
then
we
also
wanted
to
update
the
ordinance
with
other
norman
creatures,
such
as
disabled
persons.
We
took
that
out.
That
is
not
the
appropriate,
the
not
the
appropriate
term
any
longer,
and
we
made
it
consistent
with
the
Americans
with
Disabilities
Act,
and
we
now
have
persons
with
disabilities
and
we
made
all
those
Corrections
throughout
the
ordinance.
K
H
It
we
made
the
because
the
definition,
the
policy
and
purpose
is
fairly
set
out,
so
the
elimination
of
garrow's
does
not
change
the
overall
policy
and
purpose
of
of
the
of
the
ordinance
I
mean
it
still
stands.
Is
that
we,
the
goal
of
the
ordinance,
is
to
eliminate,
in
its
general
term,
discrimination.
Okay,.
K
I
actually
thought
that
was
always
quite
a
useful
term,
because
I'm
trying
to
think
I
think
councilmember
Samuels
used
it
one
time
to
talk
about
sex
offender
locations,
so
I
I'm
a
little
nervous
about
saying
that
that's
or
eliminating
that
I'd
like
to
see
it
redefined
or
some
different
language,
because
I
think
we
need
to
be
specific
about
the
city,
not
constantly
constant.
Yes,
yes,
that
is
a
huge
issue.
We
have
huge
huge
disparities.
K
H
K
K
H
Chairing
Council,
President,
Johnson
I
think
it
based
on
what
you
said.
I
think
it's
entirely
possible
to
say,
as
policy
and
purpose
is
to
eliminate
the
existence
of
concentration,
of
something.
M
Right,
thank
you
not
to
wordsmith
I'm
in
committee,
mr.
chair,
but
I
think
the
term
that
we
have
been
using
a
lot
of
other
documents
was
racially
concentrated
area
of
poverty.
Our
cap,
which
is
language
that
we
borrowed
from
that
council.
However,
mark
council
has
recently
adopted
new
language
replace
our
cap.
So
if
you
want
jurisdictional
consistency,
you
might
want
to
consult
that
or
use
our
own
term.
That's
located
in
other
policies,
which
is
our
cap.
Thank.
H
Thank
you.
We
also
attempted
to
make
the
ordinance
changes
consistent
with
department
practices
with
the
Minnesota
Department
of
Human,
Rights
and
federal
and
state
statutes.
So,
for
example,
if
you
look
at
section
one
forty
one
point:
eight
zero:
that
is
the
section
that
articulates
the
director
powers
and
duties
and
what
we've
added
is
adopt
and
published.
Such
rules,
regulations
forms
and
guidance
documents
that
are
reasonably
necessary
to
carry
out
the
provisions
of
the
title.
H
This
happens
actually
quite
frequently
when
a
new
ordinance
amendment
comes
within
title
seven,
so
the
perfect
example
is
when
we
have
the
ordinance
passage
of
safe
and
sick
time
and
I
believe
that
there
was
a
year
care
up
for
that,
and
we
just
passed
the
section
eight
earlier
this
year
in
2017
and
while
we're
doing
gear
ups
before
enforcement,
that
is
usually
a
year
long.
This
is
exactly
what
we
do
is
to
create
those
rules
and
regulations
and
guidance
for
those
new
those
new
title
amendments.
H
We
also
attempted
to
make
the
ordinance
consistent
with
Minnesota
Department
of
Human,
Rights
and
state
and
federal
case
law.
So
as
an
example
in
the
area
of
public
service,
we
added
the
language
if
someone
that
it
is
actually
discriminatory
context
to
fail
to
ensure
physical
and
program
access
for
I
put
a
persons
with
disabilities.
Excuse
me
for
that
one.
H
Unless
someone,
unless
someone
can
show
that
it
imposes
an
undue
hardship,
this
language
is
consistent
with
the
Minnesota
Department
of
Human
Rights.
It's
consistent
with
the
minnesota
statutes
also
and
then,
when
we
were
looking
at
the
ordinance
updates,
we
were
also
the
fourth
objective
was
accountability,
and
so
with
that
I'm
going
to
hand
it
over
to
my
colleague
Sean
Scooby,
to
talk
about
those
changes
in
130
9.50.
G
Thank
you,
director,
Selvam
box-like,
mr.
chair
members,
the
committee,
my
name,
is
Sean
Skippy
I'm,
the
director
of
the
contract
compliance
division.
As
my
colleague
mentioned,
there
are
several
themes
to
the
amendments
of
chapter
139
before
the
committee
today.
One
of
them
is
updating
a
language
and
improving
the
readability
of
the
ordinance
and
director
Sheldon
volchek
test.
G
A
few
of
those,
and
the
other
theme
to
this
ordinance
update
is
accountability
specifically
for
contractors
that
do
business
with
the
city.
That
section
is
and
is
130
9.50
primarily
and
those
changes
I'm
going
to
talk
about
today.
The
first
change
is
right
in
130,
9.50
a1,
the
first
paragraph
where
the
4870
caveat
relating
to
age
discrimination
was
eliminated
and
we
also
added
familial
familial
status
as
a
protected
class.
The
4270
caveat
language
was
originally
inserted
to
mirror
federal
requirements,
so
removing
this
mirrors
changes
made
in
other
sections
of
this
ordinance
in
Chapter.
G
One
thirty-nine
point:
four
zero
and
including
familial
status
here
also
mirrors
the
language
of
that
section
as
well.
The
next
change
increases
the
maximum
penalty
for
non-compliance,
while
providing
some
just
at
a
discretion
to
the
department
when
applying
these
penalties.
First,
the
mandate
that
the
city
withhold
up
to
15%
of
the
total
contract
isn't
instead
changed
to
an
option
for
the
city
to
do
so.
G
This
is
important
primarily
because
non-compliance,
determinations
are
very
technical
facts
specific
in
nature
and
having
an
all-or-nothing
provision
can
make
it
more
difficult
for
the
department
to
actually
utilize
and
apply
in
a
fair
way.
The
second
change
to
this
paragraph
updates
the
maximum
liquidated
damages
that
can
be
applied
for
issues
of
non-compliance.
G
Part
of
this
is
due
to
inflation.
As
my
colleague
mentioned,
this
provision
has
not
been
updated
for
quite
some
time,
and
we
think
this
change
is
also
important,
though,
because
it
raises
the
cap
that
can
be
applied
to
particularly
bad
actors,
so
the
liquidated
damages
maximum
goes
from
500
dollars
per
day
to
1,000
dollars
per
day.
G
In
the
second
slide,
the
first
bullet
point
addresses
a
deadline
put
into
place
for
the
first
time
to
resolve
non-compliance
issues
as
the
slide
references.
This
is
important
because
it
establishes
90
days
for
the
ordinance
language
that
required
that
requires
the
department
and
the
contractor
to
engage
in
conciliation
or
persuasion.
G
G
First
contractors
hired
by
the
city
are
often
representing
to
the
city,
the
city,
to
the
public,
either
officially
or
unofficially,
and
this
helps
ensure
these
vendors
are
acting
in
accordance
with
the
city's
values
of
equity,
diversity
and
inclusion.
And
second,
the
civil
rights
department
has
an
expectation
that
it
will
complete
pre-award
review
of
contractors
within
30
days
because
of
the
SUV
P
ordinance
requiring
it
to
do
so.
So
the
approval
process
for
the
AAP
can
actually
be
compressed
and
the
explicit
authority
clarifies
the
experiments.
G
Are
the
explicit
authority
to
audit
clarifies
that
the
department
can
review
these
aaps
is
already
approved
when
it
was
doing
so
on
an
expedited
process?
And
then
finally,
I
want
to
address
the
last
last
bullet
point
and
update
to
the
reporting
requirements
for
the
department
in
the
ordinance
requiring
an
annual
report
to
the
council.
Instead
of
the
quarterly
report
for
the
contract
compliance
division,
the
changed
its
being
proposed
for
several
reasons
as
well.
G
G
Second,
it
takes
significant
division
resources
to
produce
and
present
this
report
every
quarter
and
then,
finally,
and
perhaps
most
importantly,
this
data
is
soon
going
to
be
available
real
time
through
a
link
to
the
tableau
reporting
system
that
is
available
right
on
the
Department's
website,
and
this
will
allow
technology
to
be
utilized
to
provide
transparency
directly
to
the
public
on
the
divisions
outcomes,
and
that
concludes
a
summary
of
the
changes
to
one
thirty
nine
point:
five:
zero
I'd
now
like
to
turn
it
back
over
to
my
colleague,
director
Sheldon
the
object.
Mr.
A
G
Thank
You
mr.
chair,
the
link
is
going
to
be
right
on
the
Civil
Rights
website
and
it's
going
to
pull
from
the
same
spreadsheet
that
we
pull
from
when
we
present
the
information
to
the
committee.
So
it's
gonna
be
pulling
the
same
data
and
instead
of
having
to
assemble
a
report
and
edit
everything
the
system
just.
Does
that
directly?
That's
one
of
the
features
of
tableau
that
the
city
is
using
in
other
departments
already.
J
Page
32,
at
the
top
of
page
32
and
I'm,
just
wondering
if
this
is
a
brand
new
idea
or
where
and
and
if
it
isn't
did
we
rely
on
Hearing
Examiner
often
and
if
it
is
a
new
idea,
why
are
we
going
that
route?
Is
it
just
so
hard
to
get
the
panels
together
or
something
like
that
I'm,
not
even
sure
how
many
times
you've
ever
had
hearings
either.
H
Chair
gang
council
member
Gordon,
so
the
Hearing
Examiner
idea
actually
is
new
and
it
it
was
so
if
we
added
it
to
139
5-0
to
make
it
consistent
throughout
the
ordinance,
but
the
Hearing
Examiner
after
consultation
with
the
Commission
and
the
department,
the
the
many
other
Civil
Rights
Commission
in
the
department.
The
kid
the
acting
chair
of
the
Commission
can
appoint
a
Hearing
Examiner.
The
reason
why
the
Hearing
Examiner
was
for
two
reasons:
one
the
Hearing
Examiner
they
would.
H
They
would
more
than
likely
have
a
very
specialized
expertise
that
might
not
be
identified
on
the
Commission,
and
so
it
allowed
for
the
leeway
for
both
the
Commission
in
the
department
to
decide
on
whether
they
want
to
bring
in
that
specialized
expertise.
The
second
reason
is
that
sometimes
and
I
think
it
might
be,
in
particular,
with
contract
compliance,
but
we
wanted
to
give
some
leeway
that
we
could
bring
in
someone
much
more
expediently
than
attempting
to
get
a
panel
together,
especially
when
time
is
of
the
essence.
J
The
way
I
read
it,
it's
almost
it
the
chair
person,
the
commission
does
the
designating
they
do
and
right
in
consultation
with
the
director.
Yes,
that
makes
I
guess
it
makes
some
sense.
It's
an
interesting
idea.
My
assumption
is,
we
actually
may
have
to
pay
some
of
these
hearing
examiner's
to
do
this,
but
so
that's
another
matter.
It's
a
little
bit
like
an
administrative
law,
judge
that
we
use
for
other
things
that
were
dealing
with.
H
H
K
J
A
K
J
Glidden
has
been
working
on
for
a
long
time
and
I
know
that
it
was
her
hopes
and
aspirations
to
get
this
completed
before
her
term
ended,
and
that's
the
sense
of
rush
that
I
feel,
and
that
might
be
that
other
people
are
working
and
we've
been
working
hard
on
this
for
a
while
and
I.
That's
my
sense
of
urgency.
K
A
President
Johnson,
we
have
been
held
the
public
hearing
yet
so
no,
that's,
okay!
That's
okay
and
we're
gonna,
we're
gonna
open
it
up
for
a
public
hearing,
but
I
will
recognize
you
once
we're
done
with
the
public
hearing.
Okay.
Okay,
thank
you
for
your
presentation.
This
is
a
public
hearing,
and
so
we
will
open
up
the
public
hearing
now
anyone
want
to
speak
on
this
issue.
I
I
had
prepared
a
resolution
for
the
Commission
to
consider
regarding
the
department's
proposed
amendments
to
the
Civil
Rights
Ordinance,
but
we
had
no
forum
for
our
November
meeting,
so
we
were
not
able
to
discuss
or
consider
the
proposed
amendments.
There
are
two
important
changes
that
were
initiated
by
the
Commission
and
I
urge
the
committee
to
approve
and
recommend
approval
to
the
full
City.
Council
first
is
section
141
point
2
0
C
having
to
do
with
the
attendance
and
quorum
rules.
You've
already
heard
about
that.
I
In
previous
discussions,
the
Commission
has
been
unable
to
function
due
to
the
Accord
ordinances,
attendance
and
quorum
requirements.
We've
had
no
quorum
for
three
of
our
last
four
meetings.
I
think
we're
now
down
to
ten
commissioners,
and
we
have
a
quorum
of
nine,
so
I'm
not
optimistic
for
our
chances
for
a
December
meeting
either
and
we're
the
only
such
body
in
the
city
that
has
its
attendance
policy
and
quorum
set
by
the
ordinance.
That
would
make
more
sense
to
defer
to
especially
for
the
attendance
community
committee,
to
defer
to
the
Commission
itself.
I
So
I
was
surprised
when
I
looked
at
the
proposed
amendments
that
there
at
least
some
of
the
amendments
are
substantive
and
would
affect
the
work
of
the
Commission.
We
had
this
discussion
about
the
Hearing,
Examiner
and
I've
missed
one
meeting
this
year.
I,
don't
remember
any
discussion
of
the
Hearing
Examiner,
which
would
affect
the
the
workings
of
the
Commission.
My
written
statement
gives
more
details,
increasing
the
number
of
attorneys
required
to
serve
on
the
two
different
hearing
panels
that
the
Commission
has
removing
the
authority
of
the
Commission
to
initiate
its
own
complaints.
I
And
so
what
I'd
ask
the
the
committee
to
do
is
defer
consideration
of
these
additional
amendments
until
the
Commission
has
had
a
chance
to
provide
its
advice
to
the
department
and
give
its
input
and
and
if
necessary,
issue
a
statement
because
we
simply
haven't
had
the
opportunity,
but
with
respect
to
those
two
proposed
amendments
that
we
came
up
with
I
urge
you
to
go
for
with
those
right
right
away.
Just
because
we're
being
really
are
the
work
of
the
Commission
is
being
stifled
by
the
attendance
and
attendance
and
quorum
rules
in
the
current
ordinance.
D
D
The
document
indicating
the
amendments
to
this
ordinance
became
available
in
this
room
at
2:38
p.m.
today.
They
were
not
available
at
the
beginning
of
the
presentation
from
the
Civil
Rights
Department,
nor
were
they
available
in
the
binder
outside
the
room.
There
might
be
a
problem
with
the
compliance
with
the
Minnesota
open
meeting
law.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
H
Chair
getting
council
president
johnson
council
members,
the
changes
of
this
ordinance
have
been
at
first
started
in
2011.
I
know
this,
because
at
the
time
before,
I
worked
with
the
department
I
happen
to
be
the
the
chair
on
the
Civil
Rights
Commission
for
for
the
SMP
committee,
the
standards
and
procedures
committee.
This
ordinance
change
and
feedback
from
the
Commission
has
been
happening
during
that
whole
entire
time,
and
and
we
have
taken
feedback
from
the
rotation
of
of
commission
members
since
that
time
we
are
now
in
2017.
H
The
other
thing
I'd
like
to
speak
to
is
that
there
was
reference
to
two
requested
amendments
that
were
passed,
requested
amendments
that
were
requested
amendments
from
the
Commission.
H
If
you
look
in
the
ordinance
that
we
actually
moved
that
forward,
they
asked
for
a
change
in
the
subpoena
power.
We
took
their
language,
they
work
with
the
city
attorney
on
that
language.
We
took
it,
we
put
it
within
the
proposed
amendments.
They
asked
that
the
in
the
attendance
policy
be
taken
out
of
the
ordinance
because
it
was
not
consistent
with
other
boards
and
commissions
and
having
an
attendance
policy
in
the
ordinance
and
in
our
proposed
revisions.
H
We
took
that
out
also,
so
those
are
there
when
we
have
gone
through
this
process
that
has
been
literally
a
six
year
process.
To
get
to
this
point,
we
have
not
like
I,
said
I'm
gonna,
reiterate
again.
We
have
not
only
talked
to
members
of
the
Commission.
We've
also
talked
and
read
and
ran
every
change
through
the
City
Attorney's
Office,
and
we
have
worked
to
to
do
this
in
the
most
comprehensive
way
that
we
can.
But
at
some
point
we
wanted
to
move
this
forward.
It
is.
H
A
H
A
And
so
I
guess
I'm
trying
to
understand
this
I
mean
you
know.
You
know
at
some
points
we
had
this
plain
language
charter
amendment
that
essentially,
you
know,
was
an
update
of
our
Charter.
That
you
know
wasn't
supposed
to
change
any
of
the
substance.
I
mean
it
just
I
mean
updated
the
language
updated.
You
know
several
things,
I
mean.
Is
that
what
this
is
or
is?
Are
we
doing
things
differently?
I
mean?
Is
this
really
substantive
in
terms
of
a
lot
of
changes
that
are
happening?
You
know
with
regards
to
this
update
here.
No.
H
Chair
getting
council
members,
no,
these
are
plain
language
changes.
We
are
trying
to
create
our
main
focus
and
the
reason
why
I
put
it
number
one
is
that
we
are
trying
to
create
more
clear
clarity
and
readability
of
this
ordinance.
We've
had
allotted
compacted
sections
and
paragraphs,
we
attempted
to
split
them
out.
A
And
and
I
guess
it's
hard
for
me
to
understand
that
or
accept
that
just
you
know
just
with
the
ghetto
example-
and
you
know
you
know
I'm
indifference
with
regards
to
you
know
how
we
use
it,
but
I
mean
in
the
sense
that,
like
we
had
it
and
now
it's
completely
gone
from
it,
I
mean
I,
think
that's
pretty
substantive
and,
and
so
I
guess
you
know
I'm
just
want
to
understand
that
part
of
it,
but
you
know
I,
believe
it
at
that.
But.
K
K
A
K
Mr.
chair,
so
I
would
move
this
forward
without
recommendation
and
would
request
to
work
with
staff
to
develop
some
language
for
replacement
of
that
particular
clause
and
them
in
the
beginning
and
then
I
guess
perhaps
work
with
staff
to
address
some
of
the
issues
that
miss
Burke
was
brought
up.
Okay
and
then
and
then
will
come
to
us
at
committee
of
the
whole
for
review
and
then
to
the
full
council
next
Friday.
Then
you.
A
Need
discussion
I
just
you
know,
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
I
think
with
regards
to
this
I
mean
it's:
it's
an
update
of
the
Civil
Rights
Ordinance,
but
I
mean
it.
There
are
a
few,
if
not
a
number
of
substantive
changes
here
and
I.
Think
that
you
know
we
need
to
acknowledge
that
and
we
need
to
figure
out
whether
that's
what
we
want,
and
you
know
I
think
I
mean
I'd.
J
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
all
the
work
that
went
into
this.
It
is
a
50
page
or
that's
with
the
strikeouts
in
the
addition.
So
once
it's
all
cleaned
up,
it'll
five
but
maybe
30.
So
it
is
a
lot
to
go
through
and
it's
a
lot
to
look
at
and
I
recognize
that
there
are
some
things
that
have
more
substance
to
them
and
some
of
the
changes
I
think
the
you
know.
The
Hearing
Examiner
instead
of
the
panel
was
one
of
the
changes
that
I
was
curious
about,
and
it
has
some
substance
to.
J
L
You
I'll
be
brief,
chairman.
It
was
much
to
what
council
member
Gordon
was
saying.
I
wanted
to
recognize
the
work
that
has
gone
into
this
product
over
the
years
and
and
it's
followed
our
process.
I
mean
I,
know,
council,
vice-president
Glidden
introduced
it
I
think
back
in
October,
and
then
we
set
the
public
hearing
date
and
this
is
their
first
referral,
but
it's
the
the
ordinance
language
and
has
been
available
publicly
and
it's
incumbent
upon
us
to
be
reading
those
materials,
especially
when
it's
as
substantive
as
this
is.
L
It's
been
worked
on
for
so
many
years.
I
just
wanted
to
acknowledge
the
work
of
council
vice
president
councilmember
Gordon
and
the
staff
both
in
the
Civil
Rights
Department,
as
well
as
the
City
Attorney's
Office.
That
got
it
to
this
point
and
absolutely
supportive
of
the
of
the
changes
and
excited
to
move
it
forward
without
recommendation
with
those
final
tweaks
available
to
us.
But
I
do
hope
that
the
council
can
take
this
action
in
this
coming
weeks.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
A
Any
other
comments
discussion
all
right,
seeing
none
the
motion
before
us
is
the
motion
to
move
is
forward
with
that
recommendation.
All
those
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye
opposed
motion
carries
thank
you.
Now
we
have
our
second-to-last
public
hearing
and
this
is
the
amendments.
The
police
conduct
oversight,
ordinance,
passes,
Dorman's
amending
title
9
chapter
172
of
the
minneapolis
Code
of
Ordinances
related
to
fire
and
Glee's
protection,
police
conduct
oversight,
clarifying
the
working
relationship
between
civilian
and
oversight,
the
police
department
and
city
governments
and
our.
C
Good
afternoon
again,
chair
again
counts
of
President
Johnson
committee
members.
My
name
is
new
manager,
far
I'm
the
director
of
the
office
of
police
conduct,
review
and
I'm
going
to
be
presenting
the
proposed
ordinance
changes
to
the
office
of
police
conduct,
review
170
two
point:
eight
one:
seventy
two
point:
nine.
We
had
a
pretty
robust
discussion
at
the
last
police
conduct
oversight
Commission
meeting
about
this
ordinance,
so
both
the
commissioners
and
the
police
department
representatives
were
there
and
have
been
engaged
in
conversation,
I
believe
with
both
myself
and
councilmember
Palmisano.
C
So
we'll
start
with
just
three
major
objectives
here:
to
codify
existing
practices,
to
make
sure
that
the
way
that
the
police
conduct
oversight,
Commission
is
operating
both
with
our
office
and
on
their
own
is,
is
detailed
in
writing.
To
propose
a
commission
expansion
if
appropriate
and
to
clarify
the
data
access.
All
brief.
We
really
go
through
each
one
of
these
and
then
stand
for
questions,
so
the
first
is
clarifying
the
research
and
study
subject
matter
and
process.
C
As
many
of
you
have
been
aware,
the
research
and
study
process
has
been
something
that's
been
very
helpful
to
the
entire
city.
Enterprise,
you
know
recently
the
Commission
engaged
in
domestic
violence
response
protocol
study.
Mental
health,
Co
responder
was
born
out
of
a
commission
study.
So
these
are
very
important
projects
and
we
felt
that
it
was
important
to
the
public
to
make
sure
that
that
process
is
actually
detailed
in
writing
in
the
ordinance.
C
So
you
will
find
that
there
are
changes
here
that
actually
detail
the
research
study
process
and
lay
it
out
and
how
that
interfaces
with
our
office
being
the
staff
to
complete
that
research
and
study
process
and
with
that
to
also
explain
the
role
of
the
OPC
our
legal
analysts.
How
are
they
accessing
the
data?
C
The
next
thing
is
the
Commission
expansion.
As
many
of
you
are
familiar
with
Commission,
they
do
a
lot
of
work
and
right
now
they
are
sitting
at
a
maximum
of
seven,
but
giving
them
the
opportunity
with
the
language,
reworded
as
it
is
here
in
the
proposed
amendments
to
have
a
minimum
of
southern
gives
the
opportunity
for
expansion.
If
candidates
come
forward
that
are
appropriate
for
expansion,
I
think
right
now,
with
several
subcommittees.
They
have
including
policy
and
procedure
and
the
Audit
Committee.
It
would
be
a
nice
opportunity
to
have
more
members
involved.
C
But
the
opportunity
to
maybe
have
a
couple
more
members
would
be
something
that
would
really
help
them
expand
the
scope
of
their
work,
and,
lastly,
is
the
data
access
I.
Think
that
you
can
see
with
a
lot
of
trends
in
the
city
that
many
people
are
going
towards.
Having
publicly
available
data
OPC
are
has
had
a
publicly
available
data
portal
that
has
had
thousands
of
hits
on
it.
C
As
that
data
access
has
grown,
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
was
codified
and
we
weren't
just
working
under
what
would
be
a
gentlemen's
agreement
that
it's
actually
written
down,
and
so
here
it
clarifies
what
OPC
ARS
access
to
the
NPD
databases
when
in
tail
Opie's
there's
had
this
access
since
2012.
So
it
really
makes
sense
at
this
point
to
codify
it.
C
Also
that
that
is
being
used
in
the
research
and
study
process,
so
making
it
very
very
clear
what
that
act,
that
data
is
being
accessed
for
and
how
it's
being
utilized
is
good
not
only
for
our
office,
but
also
for
the
police
department,
so
that
we
have
that
that
agreement
formalized
and
with
that
my
presentations
concluded
but
I'll
stand
for
any
questions.
You
may
have
any.
A
F
Hi,
my
name
again
is
Dave
picking,
4200
Cedar
Avenue
in
Minneapolis
yeah
I've
had
a
little
trouble
looking
at
this
ordinance
to
determine
really
what
it's
doing
so.
The
presentation
here
has
been
of
some
help
here.
It
seems
like
it's
not
a
lot
of
substantive
change
and
as
such,
I'm
not
as
concerned
as
I
was
in
the
beginning
about
the
fact
that
you
know
this
wasn't
out
there
in
the
public
very
much
at
all.
F
Fortunately,
it
did
come
to
the
PCO
see
so
it
sounds
like
it's
a
little
bit
better
than
the
process
there
at
the
Civil,
Rights
Commission,
so
I
think
there's
a
couple
of
things.
F
The
things
that
addresses
I,
don't
think,
are
terribly
substantive
in
terms
of
recurrent
practice,
so
I'm
not
too
concerned
about
them,
but
there
are
some
things
that
I
think
should
be
addressed
in
either
this
or
some
follow
up
amendment
to
the
PCO
C
ordinance.
One
thing
is
the
choice
of
the
chair
of
the
PCO
C
I.
Know,
council
member
Gordon
brought
this
up
a
year
ago
that
it's
unusual
for
the
chair
to
be
appointed
by
the
mayor,
as
opposed
to
being
appointed
by
the
commissioners.
F
I
think
it
would
be
much
better
if
the
chair
were
appointed
by
the
commissioners
they're.
The
ones
who
see
the
action
of
the
chair
on
a
daily
or
monthly
basis,
at
least
and
are
are
much
more
familiar
with
the
how
the
facilitation
of
the
meetings
is
and
other
actions
of
the
chair,
I
think
also.
It
gives
more
independence
to
the
Commission,
something
which
I
think
is
sorely
needed,
so
that
I
would
propose
that
that
be
elected.
F
I'm
also
concerned
that
going
back
to
the
appointments
of
the
reappointment
of
the
current
chair,
because
she
has
been
there
for
four
years
since
the
very
beginning,
I
think
in
general
it
might
be
a
good
chance
to
rotate
the
chair
and,
to
be
perfectly
honest,
I
think
she's
the
least
appropriate
to
be
the
chair
of
all
the
members
that
I've
seen
on
the
commission
during
this
time
in
terms
of
lack
of
Independence
and
the
conduct
of
the
meetings.
I
could
go
further
into
that.
F
But
I
don't
want
to
do
that
in
public,
but
I
think
that
it's
time
to
make
that
change.
The
other
problem
is
the
police
conduct
oversight,
Commission
the
word
oversight.
It
has
none,
you
can.
The
ordinance
could
be
interpreted
in
several
ways
and
the
Commission,
including
especially
the
chair
as
it
interpreted.
F
It,
is
having
no
function
whatsoever
in
terms
of
oversight
of
the
other
half
of
the
office
of
police
conduct
review
which
handles
the
complaints,
as
as
the
P
Co
C
is
required
to
conduct
outreach
and
outreach
has,
since
the
beginning
recommended
that
people
take
their
complaints
to
the
office
of
police
conduct
review,
and
we
now
have
a
five-year
record
of
the
office
of
police
conduct
review
in
which
over
1,700
complaints
have
been
received
from
the
public.
Seven
officers
have
been
disciplined.
F
Four
of
those
have
been
simply
written,
reprimands,
I,
don't
think
hardly
anybody
would
submit
a
complaint
to
that
office
if
they
knew
that.
That
was
the
record.
It
is
time
for
the
PCO
C
to
make
that
record
clear
as
part
of
their
responsibilities
for
oversight.
I
just
have
a
few
couple
minutes,
so
I
guess
I'll
just
say
that
I
think
there
needs
to
be
further
work
in
this
area
to
make
the
entire
office
of
police
conduct
review
a
much
more
effective
organization.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
N
Thank
You
mr.
chair,
well,
I,
guess,
first
just
to
respond
to
one
of
the
comments
and
the
public
hearing.
You
know
that's
the
first
time
that
that
has
come
up
through
this
ordinance
and
through
the
conversations
that
I've
had
to
have
the
commissioners
elect
their
own
chair
and
actually
it
strikes
me
as
a
great
idea,
but
at
this
point,
I
I
would
like
to
have
a
few
additional
conversations
before
we
just
quick
make
that
change
here
at
that
end
of
the
public
hearing
process.
N
B
N
I
just
want
to
say
as
a
whole,
what
I've
heard
in
the
community
is
the
need
to
have
more
oversight
and
accountability
for
police
by
the
public,
and
this
these
changes
to
this
ordinance
is
one
way
to
get
that.
It's
certainly
not
the
only
way
to
get
that
and
I
appreciate
working
directly
with
the
people
that
are
doing
this
work
today
to
help
give
them
more
tools.
This
opens
up
more
communication
between
the
PC,
OSI
and
City
Council.
N
It
gives
the
PC
OSI
explicit,
unrestricted
access
to
conduct
and
misconduct
investigations,
and
it
allows
big
reports,
big
reports
on
urgent
issues
like
that
of
domestic
violence
that
mr.
Jaffer
had
mentioned
to
to
come
to
council
over
this
next
year
and
to
come
more
directly.
So
I
am
the
author
of
this.
So
of
course,
I
think
all
of
these
changes
are
are
good.
A
J
Thank
you.
I
I
support
the
work
that's
been
done
here
and
the
changes
to
I
would
support
an
amendment
that
would
maybe
loosen
up
the
chair,
chair
and
vice
chairs.
Appointment
from
the
mayor.
I
think
there
must
have
been
a
compromise
that
we
did
at
the
beginning
and
then
we
actually
kind
of
forgot
about
it.
So
I
I
do
remember
bringing
it
up
last
time.
I
will
note
that
there's
at
least
one
other
advisory
group
I
think
it's
the
food
council
where
there's
co-chairs
and
one
of
the
chairs
is
also
designated
by
the
mayor.
J
C
Could
to
answer
some
of
the
questions
here.
I
just
had
a
conversation
with
director
Kabul
who
said
that
that
was
a
holdover
from
the
very
first
commissions.
There
was
no
Commission
to
elect
a
chair,
and
that's
from
that
very
first
time
so
there's
you
know,
no
abduction
or
problems
are
changing
that
just
the
very
first
time
there
was
no
Commission,
so
I
think
that
would
be
completely
appropriate
and
fine
to
make
that
change.
A
K
N
This
has
been
a
very
long
process
and
it's
been
very
carefully
considered
in
the
wording
in
this
is
very
specific:
to
allow
and
give
permission
for
additional
access,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
it
it
it
makes
sense
to
a
lot
of
different
groups
and,
and
so
I
I
I
seek
to
move
the
ordinance
now
and
not
currently
with
any
changes.
Then,
what's
before
you
today,
I.
A
A
O
O
Well,
thank
you
so
I'm,
here
speaking
on
behalf
of
a
broad
group
of
departments
who
have
been
engaged
and
have
provided
input
on
this,
not
only
Public,
Works,
brake
services,
Police
Department,
see
ped,
has
been
involved
in
the
city.
Attorney's
office
has
been
involved
as
well.
So
we've
got
a
broad
look
at
this.
O
At
this
stage
we
are
moving
forward
with
our
proposed
ordinance,
a
new
section
of
ordinance
to
chapter
385
related
to
restricting
certain
aspects
of
unmanned
aircraft,
and
so
with
that,
I
would
note
that
this
is
a
fairly
short
ordinance
to
start
off
we're
not
intending
to
get
into
a
lot
of
weeds
at
this
stage.
In
conversations
with
those
other
departments
with
you
that
we
view
that
there's
more
conversation
that
still
is
needed
in
that
regards
when
we
talk
about
citywide
implementation
of
an
ordinance
related
to
unmanned
aircrafts
before
I
get
started.
O
Unmanned
aircrafts
can
also
be
known
as
drones
for
folks
so
wanted
to
be
clear
on
that,
the
the
ordinance
that's
being
proposed
is
really
put
together
in
two
sections.
The
first
section
is
definitions
about
what
unmanned
aircraft
and
and
those
items
are
I
and
a
person
is
but
I
wanted
to
take
two
seconds
and
talk
about
the
definition
related
to
a
special
event
zone,
because
I
think
that's
what's
important
to
to
discuss
today
on
the
overhead.
O
Is
a
map
that
kind
of
ended
and
on
the
online
is
a
map
that
indicates
the
special
event
zone
that
we're
defining
in
this
ordinance.
To
give
you
some
perspective,
it's
difficult
to
read
and
understand
the
location,
so
we
have
downtown
and
we
have
a
a
shaded
area
around
downtown
on
the
southerly
side
of
the
drawing
is
Franklin
Avenue
going
east
and
west
up
on
the
east
side
is
the
city
limits
with
st.
Paul.
We
then
cut
across
approximately
on
Elm
Street.
O
Here:
go
up,
H
Street
jump
over
on
Spring
Street
and
8th
Avenue,
which
then
comes
into
Plymouth
Avenue,
come
down
a
line,
approximately
ban
white
and
then
jog
over
a
little
bit
on
394
back
to
Humboldt
and
to
close
the
loop
on
Franklin.
So
it's
an
area
larger
than
the
downtown
area
to
ensure
we've
got
proper
coverage
and
and
ability
to
restrict
in
that
zone
and
I'll
come
back
to
that
when
I
talk
about
the
restrictions
in
a
moment,
so
that's
what
the
definitions
are
intended
to
touch
upon
in
the
ordinance.
O
The
second
piece
of
the
ordinance
is
is
requirements.
There
are
basically
six
of
them.
The
first
two
are
really
about
following
federal
statutes
and
a
rules.
If
you're
flying
a
drone
on
you
need
to
follow
those.
The
second
one
is
related
to
state
statutes.
I'm,
not
aware
of
all
the
statutes
that
the
state
has
weighed
in
on
on
that,
but
in
that
regards,
there
may
be
those
out
there.
The
third
one
gets
to
this
special
event
zone.
This
special
is
that
zone
would
be
in
place
during
three
intended
time
periods.
O
The
first
intended
time
period
would
be
for
the
Superbowl
starting
basically
mid-january,
and
going
to
February
5th
right
after
the
Superbowl.
So
approximately
three
weeks
then
would
then
shut
off
again
this
special
event
zone,
and
it
would
turn
back
on
later
this
year
in
July
or
in
2018.
Excuse
me
in
July
and
go
for
a
week
during
the
x-games.
It
would
then
turn
off
again
and
then
it
would
come
back
in
2019
for
the
final
four
and
turn
on
again
in
April
3rd
to
April
10th
of
2019.
O
That's
how
we
have
set
up
this
special
event
zone
and
how
it's
laid
out
in
this
section
3.
The
fourth
item
here
is
really
about
I'll,
say
proper
care
and
safety
related
elements
about
not
operating
your
unmanned
aircraft
in
a
heedless
or
disregard
or
careless
way
for
not
only
a
human
interaction
but
also
property.
O
In
that
context,
and
lastly,
number
five
is
related
to
operating
the
drone
within
25
feet
of
someone
without
their
permission,
and
we
thought
that
would
be
a
proper
requirement
and
then
the
last
one
refers
to
the
penalties
of
violating
these
ordinances
and
that
refers
to
section
130,
R
1
point
3
of
the
of
the
code,
which
makes
it
a
misdemeanor
in
this
regard.
So
with
that,
mr.
chair
and
council
members,
that
are
my
kind
of
presentation
relative
to
this
new
ordinance.
L
You
very
much
mr.
Burgess
I
have
a
couple
quick
ones.
One
is
on
the
issue
of
enforcement.
How
how
would
this
be
enforced
and
what
would
be
the
penalties
associated
with
it?
Forgive
me
not
as
well-versed
in
this
area.
Yet
the
other
question
I
have
is
st.
Paul
doing
a
similar
or
ordinance
in
parallel.
Have
they
defined
a
different
zone
that
would
affect
I'm
thinking
about
Super
Bowl
activities
as
well
as
their?
O
Mr.
chair
and
councilmember
Quincy,
the
penalties
that
I
best
understand
Cori
had
to
leave
me
for
another
meeting
and
I'm,
not
sure
I
completely
understand
that,
but
I
think
the
penalties
will
be
enforced
through
typical
misdemeanor
applications.
I
think
that's,
maybe
upwards
of
I,
think
Corey
said
11,000
to
1100
dollars
of
fine
at
that
regards
I.
Think
that's
the
the
level
of
penalty.
That's!
If
there
are
further
questions,
I
can
get
some
answers
back
for
you
from
the
attorney's
office
and
others,
but
I
just.
O
Mr.
councilmember
Quincy
the
I'm
not
aware
of
st.
Paul
having
any
special
provisions
for
their
particular
events.
I
I
do
know
that
federal
FAA
rules
have
encompassing
criteria
about
not
flying
an
unmanned
aircraft
over
large
crowds
of
events
and
large
event,
structures,
for
example,
Target,
Field
and
stadiums
and
ball
fields
are
are
kind
of
covered
in
the
FAA
rules.
O
Part
of
our
concern
of
bringing
forward
a
zone
here
is
to
make
it
a
little
bit
clearer
about
where
we
don't
want
you
to
fly
and
when
we
don't
want
you
to
fly.
There's
takes
a
lot
of
effort,
maybe
to
read
through
all
of
those
FAA
rules
in
order
for
a
common
citizen
to
want
to
understand
where
they
can
and
can.
Then
they
just
want
a
nice
view
of
the
stadium,
and
they
don't
know
that
they're
in
violation
of
something
and
so.
E
K
K
O
There
there
are
some
specific
words
here
in
the
section
3
and
I'm
just
going
to
read
them
for
you,
and
no
person
shall
use
a
cyst
or
facilitate
the
use
of
the
aircraft
for
takeoffs
and
landings
for
from
or
to
any
land,
waterways
or
water
bodies.
Okay,
so,
basically,
what
we're
doing
with
this
ordinance
is
not
regulating
the
flying,
as
FAA
folks
will
say,
that's
their
jurisdiction.
What
we're
regulating
here
is
the
land
use
ie.
O
O
It's
got
to
come
down
somewhere
a
little
bit,
and
so,
if
we
can
in
this
zone,
know
to
basically
say
don't
take
off
and
land
in
this
zone
and
it's
difficult
to
fly
into
the
zone,
it
it
kind
of
preserves
the
area
and
the
intention
of
preserving
safety
for
the
large
crowds
of
people
that
we
are
intended
to
have
that's
our
basic
premise.
Behind
this
we
were
hoping
it
will
work.
M
J
That
you
can
it's,
if
you're
outside
of
the
zone
or
on
any
of
those
other
events,
you
can
land
and
take
off
with
your
drone
on
property
in
a
lot
of
ways.
O
J
Provisions
other
dates
and
other
parts
of
the
year
and
parts
of
the
city
I
mean
you
can
be
landing
and
taking
off.
Your
drone
seems
like
almost
anywhere
you
want,
except
within
25
feet
of
feet
of
any
individual
person
or
property
without
their
permission.
So
you
could
do
this
in
your
own
yard
or
you
could
do
it
in
a
park.
It's
empty
I,
suppose
so
I'm
a
little
bit
curious
about
where
we're
expecting
the
problems
to
come
from
with
the
drones
and
why
we
pick
25
feet.
J
Are
there
gonna,
be
drone
delivery
systems
going
on
we're
going
to
be
regulating
here,
or
is
this
all
about
hobbies,
or
do
we
think
there's
going
to
be
surveillance
drones
that
people
are
going
to
hire
to
be
used?
What,
and
it's
is
this
gonna
work?
So
are
there
what?
Why
are
we
regulating
them
and
what
do
we
think
the
risks
are
and
as
25
feet?
Why
is
that
the
right
distance?
Mr.
O
Chair
and
Corden
you,
let
me
go
back
to
the
beginning
of
your
questions.
You
are
correct.
Section
3
is
going
to
turn
on
and
turn
off
only
during
those
event
periods,
the
other
sections,
1
2,
4,
&,
5,
&
6-
all
apply
throughout
the
time,
so
follow
the
federal
rules.
Follow
the
state
statutes
fly
your
drone
carefully
and
heat
other
buildings
and
people,
and
we
think
a
reasonable
distance
from
another
person
so
as
not
to
induce
fear
or
concern,
is
25
feet
and
that's
how
we
came
up
with
that
other
jurisdictions.
O
We've
looked
at
some
jurisdictions,
we
weren't
comfortable
going
much
further
than
follow
the
appropriate
rules
and
follow
some
basic
distance
requirements.
This
25
feet,
in
order
to
say
we're
being
judicious
with
how
we're
doing
this
there
may
be
at
a
later
date,
a
need
to
come
back
and
change
these
ordinances
to
update
them
because
of
some
new
unique
circumstances
that
are
now
occurring.
O
E
J
M
Yeah,
my
intention
was
to
have
this
move
forward
and
then,
in
terms
of
enforcement,
I
did
see
a
YouTube,
video
or
some
city
I
thinking
the
Netherlands
had
employed
trained,
raptors,
large
Raptor
birds
in
the
enforcement
of
their
policies.
So
just
a
just
a
helpful
suggestion,
as
we
try
to
muddle
through
this
new
policy
and
of.
A
A
That's
member
Reich,
if
you,
if
I
may,
instead
of
a
couple
questions
with
regards
to
this
to
mr.
works,
is
here.
Well,
let
me
let
me
start
by
just
seeking
the
advice
from
the
city
attorney
with
regards
to
this.
You
know
a
typical
misdemeanor
is
90
days
in
jail
or
about
$1,000
fine.
He
said
fairly
accurate.
E
A
All
right,
mr.
workers,
you
know
I
just
wanted
to
focus
on
the
requirements,
piece,
3,
a
B
and
C,
and
you
know
those
were
specific
to
you
know
the
Super
Bowl
X
Games
and
the
Final
Four
and
I
mean
it
just
seems
kind
of
awkward,
because
you
know
once
we
get
to
those
times,
I
mean
that
just
becomes
irrelevant
once
we
pass
those
times
and
wondering
I
mean.
Was
this
the
best
way
we
could
approach
this
or
you
know,
are
we?
You
know
basically
create
a
new
list.
A
O
A
And
you
know
with
regards
to
this
ordinance:
do
we
have
a
definition
for
special
events?
You
know
and
I
asked
this
because
you
know:
what's
the
criteria
I
mean,
if
we
have?
Let's
say
the
World
Series
here
in
Minneapolis
I
mean
is
that
you
know
something
that
we
should
just
put
right
on
there
really
quickly
or
you
know,
let's
say
if
we
make
a
playoff
championship
where
we
make
a
playoff
when
are
those
things
a
part
of
it
or
where
are
we
on
that
yeah.
O
Mr.
chair
I
think
there
may
be
if,
if
we
do
nothing
more
than
this,
there
could
always
be
an
opportunity
to
turn
this
back
on
for
some
future
event.
If
something
new
comes
along,
it
might
need
to
also
be
tweaked,
because
the
event
is
being
held
at
some
place
outside
of
the
zone,
and
so
there's
always
that
possibility
at
this
stage
I,
don't
know
what
they
would
be
and
when
they
would
be
so
it's
a
little
difficult
to
engage
that,
but
I
think
that's
an
opportunity
in
the
future.
Okay.
A
And
one
last
question
with
regards
this:
you
know
with
regards
to
these
sexual
events.
I
mean
how
are
we,
you
know
what
the
public
know
that
you
know
it's
a
special
events.
You
can't
buy
your
drum,
you
know
into
special
events.
Area
I
mean
what's
what's
our
best
way
of
doing
the
outreach
or
what?
What
are
you
all
thinking
at
this
point,
yeah.
O
Cheering
we
think
we've
got
a
good
opportunity
here
with
Super
Bowl
and
a
lot
of
media
on
that
to
kind
of
get
the
word
out
and-
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
the
zone
that
we
picked
was
as
I'll
say,
Square
as
possible
that
we
could
make
it.
So
we
could
give
people
some
basic,
easy
understanding
boundaries
without
having
to
say
you
know,
there's
this
radius
around
that
and
this
radius
around
that
to
be
too
cute
with
some
line
jegging
around
the
city,
and
so
we
think
we've
got
that
I.
O
Think
we'll
also
realize
that
we'll
have
an
another
uptick
with
X
Games
and
with
Final
Four
to
kind
of
re-emphasize
and
get
the
word
out,
and
so
our
communications
team
is
is
understanding
that
and
it's
been,
and
it's
been
ready
to
kind
of
help
us
with
that.
With
that
effort,
it
the
word
out:
okay,.
A
We
do
thank
you
all
right.
It's
been
a
long
meeting.
Thank
you.
I
will,
at
this
point,
I
will
open
up
the
public
hearing.
Anyone
once
who
wants
to
speak
with
regards
to
the
Amana
aircraft
ordinance.
Please
come
forward.
The
motion,
though,
has
been
made
and
we
will
suspend
the
motion
until
we
get
to
appropriate
time.
Mr.
torchic
I
apologize
check.
D
Their
take
mr.
chair
committee,
members,
chapter
21,
two
important
again:
I
had
no
intention
of
testifying
on
this
ordinance,
but
the
term
unmanned
aircraft
appears
through
in
the
unmanned.
Is
it
aircraft
Seth
what
the
term
appears
in
the
ordinance
and
as
a
definition
of
the
term
as
well?
It
seems
to
me:
I
have
heard
a
non-sexist
term
that
has
been
used
as
a
substitute
for
that
and
I
would
recommend
you
researching
that
and
substituting
that
term
throughout
the
ordinance.
Thank
you,
I.
A
O
Committee
members,
in
reference
to
the
most
specific
or
last
comment
they
made
current
FAA
rules,
do
restrict
flying
over.
You
know
stadiums,
ballparks
et
cetera,
it's
pretty
generic
in
that
regards,
and
so
any
Twins.
Hopefully
successful.
Endeavor
will
already
have
that
in
place
in
according
to
a
federal
statutes
or
regulations.