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From YouTube: October 24, 2017 Transportation & Public Works Committee
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Minneapolis Transportation & Public Works Committee Meeting
A
I
will
call
we
didn't
order.
It's
the
regular
schedules,
meeting
of
the
transportation
Public
Works
Committee
this
day,
October
24th
2017,
councilman
rake
I
chair,
the
committee
and
I'm
joined
by
my
colleagues
on
the
committee
councilman
we're
seeing
Glidden,
Palmisano,
bender
and
gordon
or
full
complement
and
we'll
proceed
with
today's
agenda,
which
we
have
11
items.
We
have
several
on
consent.
A
to
5:00
p.m.
December
16
2017.
Any
conversation
on
these
items.
Seeing
none
I
will
move
all
items
as
submitted
all
in
favor,
say:
aye,
centi
name
those
were
approved.
We
can
now
move
to
the
public
hearing
portion
of
the
agenda,
starting
with
item
1,
which
is
the
water
sewer
service
line
repair
assessments
good
morning
director
morning.
B
C
The
same
section,
five,
oh
nine
point:
four:
six:
five
of
the
Minneapolis
court
of
ordinance
further
provides
a
procedure
whereby
the
city
may
correct
a
faulty
water
service
line
upon
the
failure
of
the
owner
to
do
so
or
agree
to
do
so.
If
the
bill
for
the
corrective
work
is
not
paid,
the
cost
may
be
recovered
through
the
special
assessment
procedure
of
section
509
point:
four:
six:
five
of
the
Minneapolis
Code
of
Ordinances.
C
A
Thank
you.
Any
questions
per
the
presentation
base
that
seeing
none
I
will
open
the
public
hearing
its
public
hearing
for
number
one.
No
one
signed
in
anyone
wish
to
come
forward.
Seeing
none
I
will
close
the
public
hearing
and
move
the
following.
I
will
move
what
we
have
before
us
and
move
approval.
A
The
resolution
adopting
the
assessments
for
the
sewer
water
service
line
repairs
with
the
extension
of
the
assessment
payments
from
five
to
ten
years
for
the
following
properties:
4208
Emerson,
Avenue,
north
3701,
Chicago,
Avenue
and
three
four:
five:
four:
four:
nine,
twenty
seventh
Avenue
south.
Any
discussion
on
that
motion,
seeing
none
all
in
favor,
say
aye
centi
name
that
carries.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
we
go
to
item
two:
the
responsibilities
for
the
position
of
Director
of
Public
Works
and
the
City
Engineer
ordinances.
A
B
Chair
members
of
the
committee,
Brett
jelly
will
be
introducing
this
topic
and
making
a
short
presentation
about
it.
This
item
is
a
substantial
cleanup
item
to
make
the
ordinance
consistent
with
the
structure
of
Public
Works,
as
it
has
been
for
the
last
numerous
years,
and
it's
project
has
been
a
very
long-term
project
on
the
part
of
the
team.
A
lot
of
hard
work
has
gone
into
it,
and
today
is
somewhat
of
a
of
a
milestone
and
I'm
pleased
to
have
Brett
here
to
present
the
work
good.
D
Morning,
Brett
good
morning,
mr.
chair
committee,
members,
my
name
is
Brett
jelly
I'm,
the
director
of
business
administration
for
the
Public
Works
Department
I,
am
here
this
morning
to
introduce
and
recommend
approval
of
ordinance
changes
related
to
the
responsibilities
of
the
public
works
director
and
the
City
Engineer
prior
to
2006.
D
The
city's
Charter
and
ordinances
considered
the
Director
of
Public
Works
and
the
City
Engineer
to
be
a
combined
position
in
this
combined
position
was
the
head
of
the
department
in
2006,
the
City
Council,
amended
the
Charter
to
separate
these
roles
and
establish
the
Director
of
Public
Works.
As
the
department
head
for
the
review
of
the
city
ordinances,
a
team
including
representatives
from
Public
Works
Human
Resources,
the
City
Attorney's
Office
identified
and
reviewed
over
50
ordinance
sections
and
over
350
individual
ordinance
citations
that
referenced
either
the
public
works
director
or
the
city
engineer.
D
Each
reference
was
reviewed
to
determine
if
the
responsibility
was
related
to
leadership
and
management
of
the
department
or
was
primary
technical,
primarily
technical.
If
it
was
related
to
leadership
and
management
of
the
department,
the
responsibility
was
assigned
to
the
Director
of
Public
Works.
If
the
responsibility
was
primary,
technically
technical,
it
was
assigned
to
the
city
engineer
as
I
said,
over
350
individual
citations
were
reviewed,
and
after
going
through
this
analysis,
we
are
recommending
about
70
ordinance
citations
be
amended
to
a
all
of
the
recommended.
D
Changes
are
focused
on
defining
these
two
roles
and
outside
of
the
responsibilities
of
the
two
positions.
The
recommended
changes
are
non-substantive
in
nature.
I
have
one
short
example
to
and
have
illustrate
what
the
result
of
this
process
was
in
title
5
relating
to
the
Building
Code.
There
is
a
ninety
three
point:
six
zero,
which
states
a
permit
may
be
granted
by
the
City
Engineer
to
place
building
material
on
the
street.
D
This
is
a
responsibility
to
a
department
head
and
is
non-technical
in
nature,
so
the
ordinance
will
be
changed
to
assign
the
duty
to
the
public
works
director.
Also
within
the
Building
Code,
there
is
a
provision
relating
to
quote
additional
precautions
very
ominous
sounding
this
ordinance
exists
to
give
the
director
of
inspections
and
the
City
Engineer
de
latitude
the
deviate
from
the
Building
Code.
If
there
is
a
compelling
safety
concern
during
construction
or
demolition.
Since
this
is
a
technical
evaluation,
the
ordinance
review
team
left
it
with
the
City
Engineer
and
the
ordinance
will
remain.
A
A
Seeing
none
I
will
close
the
public
hearing
and
note
that
when
this
was
introduced
it
was
about
three
or
four
pages
long,
and
it's
now
compressed
into
one
concise
action
before
us,
but
I
think
the
director
alluded
to
the
work
that
went
into
it
when
you
work
on
something
for
ten
years,
it's
pretty
monumental
stuff
and
it's
a
big
shift,
but
it's
appropriate.
It's
the
right
time.
A
I
think
it's
the
right
time
in
the
sense
that
we've
shifted
our
department
internally
to
be
very
planful
and
forward-looking,
and
that
that
actual
internal
structural
thing
I
think
is
a
great
basis
and
complement
to
what
we're
doing
today
at
the
top.
So
with
that
any
further
conversation
seeing
none
all
in
proof,
we'll
say
aye
dissenting
name.
Thank
you.
We
now
can
go
to
the
last
two
items
that
are
in
the
discussion
section
of
the
agenda,
starting
with
item
10,
the
municipal
fleet,
electric
vehicle
study.
B
Mr.
chair
members
of
the
committee
again
I'm
going
to
introduce
Brett
celli
Director
of
Business
Administration
to
present
the
findings
of
an
electric
vehicle
study.
Last
fall.
We
were
given
direction
by
our
city
council
to
complete
a
targeted
study
that
would
be
necessary
in
order
to
take
the
next
steps
to
green
our
fleet
through
the
use
of
electric
vehicles.
B
The
study
team
has
been
working
for
the
last
nine
months
or
so
eight
or
nine
months,
and
the
result
is
being
presented
to
you
today
in
this,
and
these
study
results
we
begin.
We
have
our
technical
consultants
with
us
as
well
and
I
will
say
from
from
my
own
part
that
I've
been
very
pleased
with
the
thoroughness
of
this
study
and
the
usability
of
the
results
that
have
been
presented
to
us.
D
Good
morning,
mr.
chair
I'm
still
Brett
jelly
director
of
Business
Administration
public
works
department.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
present
this
receive
and
file
item
on
electric
vehicle
study
for
our
city
fleet.
A
quick
overview
of
the
presentation.
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
in
detail
on
this
on
the
staff
direction,
to
give
some
background
and
overview
of
our
city
fleet
and
the
current
market
and
then
I'll
hand
off
the
presentation
to
get
into
the
technical
study
details
Dan
Nelson
of
AECOM,
who
can
present
their
work.
D
Public
works
in
the
fleet,
division
managed
the
fleet
for
all
city
vehicles,
including
Public
Works,
Department,
Police,
Department,
fire
department.
So
on
we
have
considerable
experience
in
in
purchasing
and
managing
hybrid
vehicles.
We've
been
doing
that
for
quite
a
while.
We've
also
tried
a
few
electric
vehicles.
Ten
years
ago,
we
started
testing
things
on
a
very
targeted
basis,
as
vehicles
came
to
market
to
see
how
feasible
they
were
in
many
ways,
the
Chevy
Volt,
which
is
highlighted
in
multiple
places
in
this
presentation
is,
is
the
thing.
That's
changed
the
game.
D
A
little
bit
from
a
municipal
fleet
perspective
for
any
vehicle
to
be
successful
in
our
city
fleet.
It
needs
to
be
practical
from
a
usability
standpoint.
It
needs
to
be
practical
from
our
employees
standpoint
and
we
also
need
vehicles
that
we
can
afford
to
purchase
and
operate
and
that
in
the
Chevy,
Volt
really
took
the
electric
vehicle
market
place
forward
considerably
in
those
areas.
It
has
the
range
in
performance
of
a
vehicle
that
can
work
in
our
fleet.
It
is
meets
the
employee,
comfort
and
practablity.
D
D
The
2013
climate
action
plan
includes
a
greenhouse
gas
emission
reduction
goal
and
living
within
that
climate
action
plan
is
the
city
greens,
fleets,
policy,
green
fleets
policy,
which
was
adopted
in
2011.
The
stated
goal
of
this
policy
is
to
minimize
greenhouse
gas
emissions
of
current
and
future
fleet
vehicles
and,
as
you
can
see
from
the
chart,
we're
seeing
positive
trends
in
greenhouse
gas
emissions
by
managing
the
fleet
size
by
educating
staff
on
eco
driving
best
practices
that
includes
idling
and
replacing
existing
vehicles
with
fuel-efficient
and
alternative
fuel.
D
This
isn't
the
other
part
in
this
chart
breaks
those
the
categories
down
further
to
sedans
and
SUV
minivans
light
pickup
trucks
in
the
light
duty
and
so
on.
It
also
indicates
in
the
bottom
row
of
this
chart
where
the
evie
industry
is
with
producing
these
types
of
vehicles.
You
can
see
the
smaller
vehicles
are
available
in
the
marketplace
and
then,
as
you
get
into
the
larger
vehicle
categories,
they're
in
the
development
and
testing
phases
of
a
product
cycle,
a.
D
Similar
chart
that
adds
the
number
of
vehicles
within
each
category
and
also
gives
a
typical
example
within
that
group.
One
thing
to
note:
this
is
a
rapidly
developing
marketplace.
Even
during
the
process
of
creating
this
report,
you
know
a
John,
sharp
Villiger
directory
of
fleet
would
be
sending
emails
about
recent
changes
and
things
that
were
coming
to
market.
So,
even
while
we
were
working
on
this
report,
Volvo
unveiled
a
concept,
electric
excavator.
You
can
see
it
on
YouTube,
it's
pretty
cool.
D
Again,
that's
a
concept
at
this
point
and
Cummings
revealed
a
class
7
concept:
electric
semi,
those
types
of
vehicles,
while
really
fun
to
watch
on
YouTube.
They
are
a
little
further
out.
You
see
countries
or
European
countries
that
are
a
little
further
ahead
of
the
United
States
on
electric
vehicles,
lookyou
setting
goals
of
2030
and
2040
for
converting
completely
to
electric
or
banning
the
sale
of
internal
combustion
engines,
so
that
the
time
frame
to
fully
convert
is
is
out
there
ways.
E
You
Thank
You,
chairman
Reich
and
members
of
the
committee.
My
name
is
Danielson
I'm,
a
consultant
with
aecom,
and
we
worked
with
the
city
of
Minneapolis
this
past
year
to
develop
the
report.
That's
been
prepared
and
the
slides
will
go
over
here.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity
to
present
on
this
today.
So
yeah.
The
slides
I'll
go
through
here.
E
So
I'll
start
off
here
with
some
key
benefit
and
cost
terms
to
cover
that
kind
of
guided
our
evaluation.
In
our
recommendations
here,
maintenance
savings
is
defined
in
terms
of
the
parts
and
labor
for
maintaining
an
entire
vehicle
fleet
that
would,
over
the
coming
years,
include
electric
vehicles
and
electric
charging
infrastructure.
So
there
are
maintenance
savings
because
electric
vehicles
have
a
lot
of
a
lot
fewer
moving
parts
to
them
than
traditional
vehicles
do
we'll
get
into
that
a
little
bit
later.
E
Fuel
savings
is
in
a
savings
to
the
entire
vehicle
fleet,
with
electric
vehicles
coming
in
to
them,
so
that
includes
gasoline
and
biodiesel
reductions
and
also
factors
and
electricity
purchases
to
account
for
those
electric
vehicles
and
co2
reduction
as
well.
Then
we
calculated
the
metric
tons
of
carbon
dioxide
emissions
reduced
from
business
as
usual
or
BAU.
That's
the
term
that
you'll
see
on
some
other
slides
here.
So
in.
E
Condition
is
just
continuing
to
purchase
the
same
vehicles
over
time,
so
we'll
show
that
later
on
cost
terminology
here
at
the
bottom
total
capital
cost
includes
the
cost
of
purchasing
the
vehicles
and
charging
stations.
O&Amp;M
costs
is
the
total
tenure
lifecycle,
cost
for
fuel
and
maintenance
of
the
fleet,
and
then
lifecycle
costs
at
the
bottom
is
just
the
sum
of
those
two.
E
So
some
to
other
terms
here
to
present
here
before
I
get
into
it.
Net
present
value
is
a
key
measure.
We
used
that
factors
into
account
the
both
of
the
benefits
and
the
cost
when
we're
looking
at
it
into
one
single
measure,
so
it
was
calculated
across
the
10-year
time
frame
that
we
considered
for
the
report
and
we'll
show.
We
also
show
a
few
different
discount
rates
as
well,
that
just
helps
to
capture
the
time
value
of
money
over
a
10-year
time
frame.
E
It's
similar
to
how
an
interest
rate
might
be
looked
at
in
purchasing
terms,
and
the
other
term
at
the
bottom
here
is
cost-effectiveness.
This
is
defined
in
terms
of
the
cost
to
save
one
metric
ton
of
carbon
dioxide
by
integrating
electric
vehicles
into
the
city's
fleet
for
each
of
the
scenarios
that
will
present
in
the
report
and
speaking
of
the
scenarios
I'll
get
into
them
a
little
bit
here.
As
I
noted
earlier,
we
considered
a
10-year
time
frame
for
this
study
from
2018
through
2027
in
working
with
the
fleet
services
division.
E
We
learned
a
lot
about
their
current
model
for
vehicle
purchasing,
so
our
recommendations
on
electric
vehicle
purchases
over
the
next
10
years
are
made
to
fit
within
that
current
model.
We
utilize
data
on
planned
vehicle
replacements
over
future
years
for
different
city
departments,
so
that
our
recommendations
for
electric
vehicle
purchases
wouldn't
exceed
the
plan
number
of
internal
combustion
engine
vehicle
replacements.
That's
where
the
ice
acronym
comes
in
there.
E
So
when
you
see
ice
there,
that's
kind
of
a
traditional
combustion
engine
vehicle
and
so
the
last
point
there
just
notes
that,
looking
at
those
planned
replacements
over
time,
all
traditional
internal
combustion
engine
vehicles
cannot
be
converted
in
a
10-year
time
frame.
So
we
just
wanted
to
acknowledge
that
they're.
In
that
bullet
point
and
the
graphic
at
the
bottom
shows
kind
of
the
kind
of
our
how
we
came
up
with
a
number
and
type
of
electric
vehicles
to
be
replaced
in
here.
So
we've
worked
within
the
city's
current
model
for
vehicle
replacements.
E
We
looked
at
trends
in
the
industry,
related
to
electric
vehicle
pricing
and
technology.
We
did
assume
some
financial
constraints
and
some
of
the
scenarios
that
I'll
show
here,
as
well
as
coming
up
with
some
priority
goals
or
objectives.
It's
for
converting
to
an
electric
vehicle
fleet
and
I'll
show
that
here
there
are
six
scenarios
that
we
presented
on
this
slide
here
in
our
report,
and
so
with
the
data
that
we
had.
E
We
created
these
multiple
scenarios
through
the
use
of
an
optimization
model
that
calculated
a
recommended
number
of
electric
vehicles
for
each
objective,
and
these
objectives
also
allow
for
some
discussion
on
what
is
most
important
to
the
city
when
it
comes
to
converting
to
electric
vehicles.
For
example,
is
it
most
important
to
maximize
the
reduction
in
carbon
dioxide
emissions
if
so
scenario,
one
kind
of
reflects
that
without
any
financial
constraints
scenario?
E
Five
was
maximizing.
The
total
number
of
electric
vehicles
purchased.
It's
scenario,
six,
the
last
one.
There
is
again
maximizing
that
present
value
while
delaying
purchasing
for
two
years,
which
would
allow
the
city
to
save
some
funds
now
to
make
a
purchase
of
electric
vehicles
in
2020.
The
results
of
our
optimization
model
showed
that
scenario
three
and
six
were
identical.
Actually,
so
our
next
slides
will
present
those
two
together
and
at
the
bottom
are
some
key
considerations
among
all
the
scenarios.
E
So
our
next
slides
here
aren't
much
graphical
in
nature
here.
This
first
slide
is
illustrating
the
total
costs
by
year
over
the
10-year
time
frame
and
the
business-as-usual
case,
that
is,
on
the
left
side
of
that
black
line
there.
That
is
continuing,
that
is
the
total
operations
of
maintenance
and
capital
cost
by
year
for
just
purchasing
traditional
traditional
vehicles
over
that
time.
So
our
scenarios
to
the
right
of
that
show
a
combination
of
purchasing
those
traditional
vehicles
and
electric
vehicle
replacements
that
we
had
recommended
in
each
of
our
scenarios.
E
This
next
slide
here
shows
the
total
number
of
electric
vehicles
that
were
came
out
of
our
optimization
model
scenario,
one
on
the
far
left.
There
shows
the
total
quantity
on
the
left
axis
there
with
a
percentage
of
the
total
vehicle
fleet.
So
when
we
say
scenario
one
there
has
456
vehicles,
that's
over
a
10-year
time
frame
representing
45
percent
of
the
city's
fleet
over
the
course
of
ten
years
and
you'll
see
scenarios
two
three
three
and
six
again
in
the
middle
and
scenarios.
E
Four
and
five,
and
just
as
a
recap
scenario,
one
was
maximizing
carbon
dioxide
reductions
with
no
financial
constraints
scenario.
Two
was
adding
a
financial
constraint
to
five
million
dollars
above
what
the
city
would
normally
spend.
Scenarios
three
and
six
were
maximizing
at
present
value
scenario:
4
was
maximizing,
total
benefits
and
five
was
maximizing.
The
total
number
of
electric
vehicles
purchased.
E
The
next
slide
here
shows
the
total
benefits
graphically.
This
is
a
combination
of
maintenance
savings,
fuel
savings
and
carbon
dioxide
reductions
that
I
mentioned
earlier
business
as
usual,
is
presented
on
the
far
left
there
compared
to
our
scenarios
across
across
there.
So
the
blue
bars
representing
the
maintenance
savings.
The
green
bar
representing
the
fuel
savings
and
the
line
graph
going.
G
E
There
represents
the
carbon
dioxide
reduction
in
metric
tons
of
carbon
dioxide
reduced
and
believe
the
this
slide
here
presents
again.
The
total
costs
across
that
time
frame
business
as
usual,
is
on
the
far
left
there
with
the
blue
bars
representing
total
capital
costs,
the
green
bar
total
operations
and
maintenance
cost
and
the
line
graph
at
the
top.
E
This
is
the
net
present
value
over
the
ten
year
lifecycle
of
the
study,
and
so
it
business
as
usual
is
on
the
far
left
there
with
our
scenarios
to
the
right
and
so
I
did.
Since
it
wasn't
quite
easy
to
compare
left
and
right,
we
did
add
some
small
bars
across
the
top
there,
which
are
representing
the
difference
between
our
scenarios
and
the
business
as
usual.
E
So
the
net
present
value
was
indicating
that,
over
the
course
of
ten
years,
our
scenarios
were
indicating
a
more
favorable
in
that
present
value
than
continuing
to
purchase
traditional
traditional
vehicles
over
the
10-year
time
frame
of
the
study-
and
this
last
graph
here
is
on
cost-effectiveness
as
I
mentioned
earlier.
This
is
the
again
it's
the
cost
to
save
one
metric
ton
of
carbon
dioxide
by
integrating
electric
vehicles
into
the
city's
fleet
for
each
of
the
scenarios
that
we've
presented
in
the
report.
E
So
those
scenarios
again
are
across
the
bottom
there,
and
you
can
see
those
depicted
here
with
the
the
dollars
across
the
left
axis
and
the
scenarios
across
the
bottom
there
so
to
kind
of
sum
up,
some
of
the
cost
considerations
going
forward.
These
are
some
key
points
to
wrap
up
with
respect
to
that.
Electric
vehicles
typically
have
lower
fuel
and
maintenance
costs
than
traditional
combustion
engine
vehicles,
but
a
higher
upfront
capital
cost.
So
over
the
course
of
time
the
lower
maintenance
costs
are
simply
the
result
of
fewer
moving
components
within
an
electric
vehicle.
E
Obviously,
lower
fuel
cost
is
father,
don't
require
any
fuel
at
all.
So
and
another
point
there,
there's
industry
consensus
that
the
cost
of
electric
vehicles
are
trending
downward,
as
production
volumes
will
increase
over
time
and
battery
costs
will
decrease
over
time
as
well.
Fuel
economy
estimates
there
Eevee's
typically
achieve
better
fuel
economy
and
also
have
lower
fuel
costs
than
similar
internal
combustion
engine
vehicles.
E
And,
lastly,
the
cost
of
per
kilowatt
hour
of
electricity
tends
to
be
lower
and
more
stable
than
the
cost
per
gallon
of
gasoline
diesel
or
biodiesel
there,
and
some
other
cost
considerations
to
bring
up
here,
as
I
noted
on
electric
vehicle
does
have
less
moving
parts
and
hence
the
lower
maintenance
cost
over
time
over
five
years.
This
next
point
kind
of
illustrates
that
electric
vehicles
can't
save
an
average
of
35
percent
on
maintenance
compared
to
traditional
internal
combustion
engine
vehicles.
Some
other
charging
infrastructure
considerations
that
we
considered
I
should
mention.
E
The
total
cost
I
presented
earlier
did
include
charging
stations
throughout
the
city
to
support
those
electric
vehicles.
So
the
point
to
make
here
is
to
plan
ahead
and
install
more
stations
upfront
than
you
believe.
You
would
need
simply
because
it's
more
cost
effective
to
do
that,
with
underground
conduit,
to
provide
power,
cables
for
those
stations,
and
you
can
add
those
stations
on
over
time.
E
E
Monitoring
electric
vehicle
usage
during
winter
months,
the
city
will
monitor
that
with
the
Chevy
wolf
they
have
in
the
fleet
just
to
see
how
they
operate
during
winter
times,
when
vehicle
heaters
are
used
more
extensively
to
see
how
how
the
range
of
that
vehicle
lasts
throughout
the
winter
also
monitor
potential
sources
of
funding
for
electric
vehicle
purchases.
There
are
several
sources
that
can
provide
then
rebates
for
electric
vehicle
purchases
upfront.
So
that's
one
thing
to
monitor,
as
well
as
industry
progress
with
electric
vehicles.
E
There
is
a
lot
of
progress
being
made
now,
so
that's
another
thing
to
monitor
over
the
long
term
and
then
review
the
vehicle
replacement
approach
for
new
PV
models.
So
this
is
just
reviewing
how
new
electric
vehicles
can
be
brought
into
the
current
vehicle
replacement
model
over
time
and
also
prepare
for
infrastructure
and
maintenance
staff
for
electric
vehicle
operations.
It
is
a
different
vehicle,
so
it
does
require
a
different
set
of
training
to
understand
how
to
maintain
an
electric
vehicle.
So
that
is
something
to
consider
as
well
and
with
that.
H
E
Did
councilmember
Rankin
and
record,
we
did
gather
vehicle
replacement
data
from
the
city's
fleet
services
division
to
understand
how
many
vehicles
were
being
replaced
over
a
twenty
eighteen
to
twenty
twenty
seven
time
period.
So
we
looked
at
the
replacement
years
of
the
vehicles
coming
up
to
kind
of
understand
how
our
recommendations
for
replacements
could
fit
within
the
current
vehicle
replacement
model.
But
the
city
utilizes.
B
H
We'd
want
to
look
at
when
we're
expecting
to
buy
the
new
vehicle
and
when,
when
we
have
now
would
wear
Auto,
it
seems
like
it
would
be
I
suppose
we
could
sell
our
vehicles
early
and
see
if
we
could
recoup
some
cost,
but
I
think
we
probably
have
a
trajectory.
So
would
you
say
most
of
those
replacements
are
the
smaller
vehicles,
the.
E
The
number
you
said,
they're
the
45%
under
scenario.
One,
for
example,
is
it's
a
combination
of
smaller
sedan
type
vehicles,
but
it
also
reflects
other
vehicles
in
the
fleet
as
well.
So
it's
it's
not
entirely
in
sedan.
In
the
sedan
vehicle
category
there
are
over
the
future.
There
will
be
some
light
duty,
construction
vehicles
and
heavy
duty,
construction
vehicles
that
come
onto
the
market.
So
through
our
research
that
we
did
early
on
in
the
report,
we
did
find
years
in
which
those
vehicles
could
be
replaced
as
well.
So
does.
H
D
H
And
I
also
was
curious
out
of
the
different
scenarios.
When
I
was
trying
to
look
at
this
and
read
it,
it
seemed
pretty
clear
that
scenario:
1
4
&
5
seemed
to
be
hitting
most
of
the
sweet
spots
that
I
would
be
looking
for
in
terms
of
benefits,
maintenance
savings,
fuel
savings
and
co2
reductions.
Is
there?
Is
there
a
scenario
that
you
were
settling
on,
as
it
seemed
to
be
the
best
that
you
would
recommend?
We
move
forward
on
well.
E
E
We
go
with
and
that's
where
we
eventually
got
to
defining
some
of
those
objectives,
and
so
we
allowed
for
some
discussion
there
that
take
place
with
regards
to
what
is
most
important
to
the
city.
If
it's
maximizing
carbon
dioxide
reduction
missions
that
scenario
one
as
you
noted
and
that's
without
any
financial
constraint
that
we
introduced
into
the
model.
So
that
offers
the
scenario
one
in
scenario:
five,
obviously
I
for
the
most
vehicles
to
be
introduced
into
the
fleet,
so
that
that
right
there
will
help
achieve
that
overall,
objective
there
on
the
study.
E
D
E
H
Okay,
I
also
noticed
it
I
think
this
fall.
We
just
put
out
a
bid
for
a
number
of
new
vehicles
and
it
looked
like
in
those
bids
we
weren't
asking
for
electric
vehicles
or
comparing
costs
for
electric
vehicles
and
I'm
just
curious.
If
I
could
hear
a
little
bit
more
about-
and
you
probably
you
don't
know
about
this,
but
somebody
else
probably
does
and
why
we're
not
putting
out
bids
for
electric
vehicles
now
to
replace
them.
It
looked
like
a
lot
of
them
were
the
sedans
I
think
was
the
Malibu's
and
the
other
kind.
B
Chair
councilmember
Gordon,
thanks
for
that
question,
we
have
had
a
couple
of
bids
go
out
Malibu's
and
fort
escapes.
The
four
escapes
an
easy
answer
that
I
can
provide
for
you
and
I
may
call
on
Brett
jelly
and
also
on
John
shark
bill.
To
give
you
a
slightly
more
technical
answer
on
the
malleus
escapes.
It's
a
market
issue.
There
isn't
a
vehicle,
that's
an
SUV
vehicle,
that's
made
on
the
market
that
fits
our
needs
at
this
time.
B
D
Mr.
cherrick
councilmember
Gordon
two
issues
hybrids,
and
then
you
also
mentioned
we're
not
putting
out
bids
for
the
electric
vehicles
on
the
hybrids
with
the
Chevy
Malibus
it
sometimes
they
depends
on
what
they're
being
used
for
and
whether
or
not
they
meet
the
specifications
of
the
end-user
and
whether
or
not
a
hybrid
is
an
option.
So
that
is
something
that
we
factor
in
and
in
this
particular
case
hybrids
won't
meet
the
specifications
of
the
user.
On
generally
the,
why
not
electric
vehicles,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
I
I'm
personally,
it's
not
obvious
I.
D
Think
the
Chevy
Volt
is
a
really
exciting
opportunity,
but
we
just
got
our
first
three
this
summer
and
we
definitely
on
the
things.
What
are
we
doing
to
prepare
for
electric
vehicles?
I
think
one
of
the
things
we
are
doing
is
we
are
trying
to
use
these
bolts
as
much
as
possible.
We
have
them
in
a
couple
of
different
areas
in
the
city.
We
especially
want
to
see
how
they
function
over
the
winter
again,
keeping
in
mind
the
usability
and
practicality
of
for
business
needs
and
also
with
how
our
fleet
models
built
in
funding
replacements.
H
Okay,
thank
you,
I
appreciate
this
and
appreciate
the
discussion
and
obviously
I
want
to
move
forward
as
aggressively
as
we
possibly
can
on.
All
of
this
and
I
think
it's
really
important
from
the
policy
standpoint.
It's
exciting
to
see
that
the
different
scenarios
play
out
fairly
well
and
that
the
cost
differences,
even
when
we
don't
seem
that
dramatic
I
know
that
when
they
add
up
over
the
years
they
are,
it
costs
a
little
bit
more
in
its
million
the
millions
of
dollars
off
over
those
years.
H
G
You
know
where
the
industry
is
alongside
with
what
are
the
performance
needs
of
the
variety
of
vehicles
in
the
city
of
Minneapolis,
and
so
how
does
that
feed
in
to
the
criteria
that
we
will
be
looking
at?
Knowing
again
I,
guess?
Well,
I
will
say,
as
you
point
out
in
your
report,
that
this
is
an
evolving
industry.
G
So,
just
as
an
example,
you
know
we
often
have
conversation
about
police
vehicles
right
which
are
heavily
used
which
have
a
lot
of
like
stuff
stuck
in
them,
and
you
know,
and
all
this
kind
of
thing,
and
and
also
in
addition
to
just
what
is
the
performance
data
there
are
also
perceptions.
So
you
know
so
anyway.
I
just
am
curious.
D
D
Think
there's
an
in
the
appendix
there's,
a
list
of
departments.
They
sat
down
with
to
start
this
conversation
around.
You
know
what
are
your
generally?
Your
needs.
What's
important
to
you,
you
know
again
a
Chevy
Volt.
It
has
some
advantages.
It's
it's
a
little
bit
higher,
which
is
something
that
comes
up
a
lot
with
our
employees
and
the
ease
of
getting
in
and
out
and
kind
of,
wear
and
tear
on
people
who
get
in
in
other
vehicles
a
lot
also
quite
a
bit
of
interior
space.
D
So
having
these
three
bolts
and
I'm
kind
of
personally
pushing
this
and
every
conversation
I
have
with
departments,
do
you
know
we
have
these
three
vehicles
and
please
talk
to
John.
If
you
want
to
try
them
out
so
I
think
property
services
is
signed
up
for
a
week
in
one
to
two:
try
it
out
really
trying
to
work
that
side
of
the
problem,
because
you're
right
as
I,
said
any
particular
vehicle
for
it
to
be
successful.
We
need
to
understand
and
meet
the
needs
of
employees.
G
You
know
because
I
think
that
at
some
point
this
is
going
to
come
back
and
then
we'll
adopt
some
policy.
I
guess
I'm
looking
at
the
chair
and
you
know,
and
then
this
will
be
some
you
know
so
for
that
to
be
successful,
I
think
we
need
to
understand
that
other
piece
I'm
assuming
and
I-
guess
I'm
looking
to
you
a
little
bit
or
you
and
your
team
to
kind
of
help
us
understand
how
those
things
add
in
because
you
know.
A
Perhaps
just
make
kind
of
an
extension
of
that
thought.
You
know,
instead
of
maybe
you
know
passively
offering
different
departments
to
check
it
out.
Maybe,
and
we
make
it
more
of
a
directive.
We
need
some
field
information,
that's
germane
to
the
employees
and
we
need
that
information
sooner
later.
Thank.
G
You
mr.
chair
I
think
that's
again,
I
think
we
need
to
figure
out
how
directly
what
are
the
what's
the
direction
that
helps
get
the
information
that
allows
us
to
set
a
policy
and
make
sure
that
we
can
of
our
doing
that
and
recognition
of
can
all
these
factors
that
feed
into
vehicle
choice
and
direction
from
the
policy
makers
and
staff
restrictions
around
that
choice.
A
F
Thank
You
mr.
chair
a
question
for
you
on
these
results:
I
one
of
the
things
I
appreciate
so
much
about
the
report
is
the
level
of
technical
depth
to
it,
but
would
you
be
able
to
on
these
strategies?
For
Evy
transitional
looks
like
over
business
as
usual
scenario,
one
would
yield
a
change
in
net
present
value
of
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
over
ten
years.
So,
if
I'm
reading
that
right,
it
sounds
like
switching
over.
F
Under
that
scenario,
forty
five
percent
of
our
fleet
yields
actually
a
benefit
of
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
the
city
am
I.
Reading
that
right,
can
you
put
that
in
layman's
terms
for
anybody
watching?
What
does
that
mean?
Are
we?
Are
we
seeing
a
brighter
future,
both
from
an
electrical
vehicle
standpoint
and
a
cost
standpoint,
or
rather
a
net
present
value
standpoint.
D
E
That's
member
ayk,
council
members.
Yes,
that
is
a
correct
interpretation.
When
you
look
at
that
value
of
zero
point,
six
million
is
what
reflects
the
$600,000
value
there.
That
is
a
four
scenario.
One
will
refer
to
it
as
a
positive
difference
between
business
as
usual,
which
is
continuing
to
purchase
the
same
vehicles
over
the
next
ten
years
compared
to
that
45%
of
electric
vehicles
being
adopted
into
the
fleet.
So
is
a
more
favorable
investment
over
the
ten-year
lifecycle
compared
to
an
investment
in
the
same
traditional
internal
combustion
engine
vehicles.
F
Finding
of
this
work
and
I
really
want
to
thank
staff
for
their
time
and
energy
into
this.
It's
just
great
results
from
it
and
a
really
comprehensive
report
of
one
I
think
my
co-author
chair
Reich,
for
the
work
on
this
and
I
hope
that
we
can
and
I
look
forward
to
working
on
trying
to
put
forward
some
policy
guidance
and
set
something
in
stone.
Some
real
goals
around
this,
and
if
anything,
what
this
tells
me
is
if
we
can
get
45%
of
our
fleet
over
and
see
this
net
present
value.
F
F
A
Further
questions
or
comments,
I
think
I
can
echo
the
appreciation
of
the
work
that's
been
done.
We
were
always
eager
to
reduce
our
footprint
even
from
the
original
policy,
and
we
saw
progress.
But
now
we
took
an
opportunity
to
take
our
readiness
and
aim
with
good
policy
framework
that
I
think
has
been
provided.
Obviously,
as
councilmember
Glidden
pointed
out,
we
want
to
get
some
of
that
real
human
aspect
of
it
and
that's
some
field
testing,
and
hopefully
we
can
be
a
little
more
aggressive
on
friend
to
get
the
datasets
in
and
to
compliment.
A
Gordon
and
I
believe
councilmember
Johnson's
point
that
kind
of
was
a
thread
throughout.
We
can
be
at
the
edge
of
technological
advances
if
we
start
to
get
into
the
game
now
and
then
to
the
to
the
point
of
getting
even
beyond
45
percent,
as
if
we're
in
that
game
and
we're
always
on
the
cutting
edge,
we're
always
doing
the
analysis
and
we're
sort
of
there
I
think
that's
where
we
will
find
acceleration.
A
We
might
even
beat
our
goals,
even
though
the
more
aggressive
end,
but
that
time
will
tell
but
I
think
if
you're,
not
in
that
framework,
you
certainly
would
not
you'd
be
doing
ketchup
instead
of
being
a
leader
in
this
area
and
I
think
this
presents
us
as
a
leader
in
this
area.
If
we
follow
through
on
what
we
have
the
forest
as
a
framework.
So
with
that
end,
I
will
move
to
recess
even
file.
A
The
presentation
relating
to
the
electric
veal
study,
noting
the
eagerness
of
this
committee
and
probably
the
body
of
the
whole
on
Council
to
move
forward
expeditiously
to
get
these
gains
that
we
have
before
us
that
all
in
favor
say
aye,
centi
name
that
carries.
We
can
now
move
to
the
last
item
on
our
agenda,
which
is
item
11,
the
contract
amendment
with
clear
tonight,
Group
LLC,
communication,
Public
Relation
services
for
the
Nicollet
Mall
reconstruction
project.
A
B
Chair
members
of
the
committee,
this
item
was
referred
back
by
the
City
Council
last
week
to
this
committee.
Here,
I
have
a
short
update
report
to
tell
you
that
we
will
be
working
very
closely
with
our
internal
communications
department
to
better
refined
the
work
that
will
be
completed
by
our
in-house
staff
and
the
work
that
would
be
completed
by
our
external
consultant.
That
will
be
back
to
you
with
a
revised
proposal
on
November
13th
and
we'll
provide
you
with
additional
detail
that
I
thank.
A
A
And
so
I
will
then
move
item
11,
which
was
returned
to
the
tpw
committee
by
City
Council
on
October
20
of
2017
and
direction
was
given
to
staff
at
that
time
to
work
with
the
communications
department
to
examine
options
to
reduce
the
amount
of
external
contracting
as
necessary.
We
will
note
that
extension
of
our
action
with
that
we
have
concluded
all
our
items
on
the
agenda
and
are
thereby
adjourned.
Thank
you.