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Description
Minneapolis City Planning Commission Meeting
A
Good
afternoon,
I
will
call
to
order
the
December
4th
meeting
of
the
Minneapolis
City
Planning
Commission.
My
name
is
Matt
Brown
I
serve
as
president
of
the
Commission
I'm
joined
today
by
Commissioner.
It's
my
green,
o,
slacks,
Weezie,
real
and
well.
Our
first
item
of
business
today
is
to
approve
the
actions
from
the
November
13th
of
meeting.
They
have
a
motion
to
approve
those
actions.
A
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
all
in
favor,
and
that
motion
carries
next.
We
will
sort
through
the
agenda
will
determine
which
items
will
be
considered
on
consent
which
will
be
discussed
and
if
any
will
be
continued
to
another
meeting.
You
can
find
hard
copies
to
the
agenda
in
the
hallway,
so
we
will
start
at
the
top
item.
One
is
Minneapolis
Public
Schools,
that
is
a
vacation
at
Jefferson.
Elementary
School
will
continue
that
item
to
the
January
8th
meeting.
A
East,
that
is
a
preliminary
and
final
plat.
Is
anyone
wishing
to
speak
in
opposition
to
or
modify
the
staff
recommendation
on
an
item
to
see?
No
one
will
put
them
two
on
consent.
Item
three
is
a
3213
Snelling
Avenue,
that's
a
conditional
use
permit
related
to
commercial
vehicles
stored
at
a
contractor's
yard
there.
Anyone
wishing
to
speak
in
opposition
to
or
modify
the
staff
recommendation
on
item
3c.
No
one
put
that
on
consent.
Item
4!
Is
it
1700,
East,
Lake
Street?
That's
a
conditional
use
permit
to
allow
a
shopping
center.
A
Is
anyone
wishing
to
speak
in
opposition
to
or
modify
of
the
staff
recommendation
on
item
4
we
have
someone
here.
So
we
can
discuss
item
for
item
5.
Is
that
949
East
Hennepin
Avenue?
That's
a
conditional
use
permit
to
allow
an
off
sale,
liquor
stores.
Anyone
wishing
to
speak
in
opposition
to
or
modify
the
staff
recommendation
on
item
5c?
A
No
one
will
put
item
5
on
item
6
is
the
Hilton
true
home
at
317.
Second
Avenue
South.
That's
a
site
plan
review
for
an
addition
to
an
existing
building.
So
anyone
wishing
to
speak
in
opposition
to
or
modify
the
staff
recommendation
on
item
6c,
no
one
will
put
item
6
on
consent.
Item
7
is
at
38
23
West
31st
Street.
Is
anyone
wishing
to
speak
in
opposition
to
or
modify
the
staffs
recommendation
all
right?
A
So
we
have
a
few
people
here
on
item
7,
we'll
discuss
that
item
item
H
is
Patrick
Henry
high
school
at
4320,
Newton,
Avenue,
North
conditional
use
permit
the
rule
variances
for
a
building
addition.
There
will
discuss
item
8
if
anyone
is
here
for
that
item,
9
is
at
6:51
Nicollet
Mall
conditional
use
permit
several
variances
related
to
dynamic
signs.
We
will
discuss
item
9
if
anyone
it's
gear
for
that
item.
10
is
the
second
Street
townhomes
that
24:07
2nd
Street
northeast
several
applications
for
a
new
townhome
project.
A
There
is
anyone
wishing
to
speak
in
opposition
to
or
modify
the
staff
recommendation
on
an
amount
and
we
have
someone.
So
we
can
discuss
Batum
10
item
11
is
the
Longfellow
station
commercial
building
a
3801
Hiawatha
Avenue
conditional
use,
permit
several
variances
site
plan
review
for
a
new
commercial
building
there
I
know
Commissioner
Rockwell
had
some
questions
on
question
11,
so
we'll
discuss
that
item.
If
anyone
else
is
here
for
that
item,
12
is
the
North
Loop
neighborhood
mixed-use
development
at
128,
North,
2nd
street
128,
1st
Avenue
North.
A
That's
a
site
plan
review
for
a
new
mixed-use
building.
As
anyone
wishing
to
speak
in
opposition
to
or
modify
the
staff
recommendation
on
item
12.
Seeing
no
one
will
put
that
on
consent.
Item
13
is
at
625
4th
Avenue
South
conditional
use,
permit
and
site
plan
review
for
a
Planned
Unit
development.
There
we'll
discuss
item
13.
A
If
anyone
is
here
for
that
and
finally
item
14
as
a
zoning
code
text,
amendment
related
to
billboards
wheel,
item
14,
so
our
agenda
as
amended,
is
as
follows:
items
two
three:
five,
six
and
twelve
will
be
on
consent,
we'll
discuss
items
four,
seven:
eight,
nine,
ten,
eleven,
thirteen
and
fourteen
and
item
one
will
be
continued
to
the
January
meeting.
Commission
shirts
may
I
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
agenda
as
amended.
D
C
A
A
A
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
all
in
favor,
and
that
motion
carries
next
we'll
move
on
to
our
items
for
discussion.
We
do
have
several
items
for
a
discussion
today,
so
I'll
just
ask
that
anyone
who
is
testifying
as
mindful
of
just
being
respectful
of
everyone
else's
time,
we'll
start
with
item
4
1700
East
Lake
Street
staff
is
Miss
Rose.
E
E
E
The
front
facade
here
wouldn't
change,
it
would
stay
the
same.
They'd
use
existing
entrances,
but
the
changes
would
occur
in
the
interior
of
the
building
and
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
the
request,
with
added
conditions
about
recording
the
conditional
use
permit
and
specifically,
that
no
shelving
signage
merchandise,
newspaper,
rack
or
other
fixtures
are
placed
in
front
of
the
windows
allowing
them
to
remain
transparent
and
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Commissioners.
A
A
Open
the
public
hearing
on
this
item-
I-
don't
know
if,
if
the
applicant
is
here,
if
there's
anything
you'd
like
that
I
know,
we
had
at
least
one
okay,
yeah
I
know
we
had
at
least
one
one
speaker.
If
there's
anything
you
wanted
to
add
to
staffs
presentation,
you
can
do
that.
Otherwise
we
can
hear
from
the
speaker
first,
okay
I,
believe
we
just
have
one
person.
So
please
come
to
the
microphone
and
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
F
F
D
G
Awakened
I
would
like
to
mention
and
I
sympathize
with
the
resident,
but
that
that
area
and
ours
Lake
Street
all
the
way
through
35,
has
problems
with
a
lot
of
veterans
and
the
gas
station
operation
is
not
a
contributor
to
that
problem.
That's
a
social
problem,
that's
on
a
different
level
totally
and
the
city's
been
doing
the
best
to
control
that
Assad
has
several
police
officers
and
a
strong
presence.
G
Every
night,
seven
days
a
week
and
I've
been
working
with
this
family
for
over
10
years
and
they're
very
good
operators
and
I
can
assure
you
that
the
problem
with
lawyers
or
vagrants
or
people
walking
into
other
properties,
three
blocks
away
or
three
houses
down
the
street
is
not
due
to
the
gas
station
operation.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
A
H
You
mr.
chair
just
wanted
to
note
in
the
applicant,
can
speak
to
this
or
not
that
when
the
City
Council
passed
our
recent,
you
know
two
ordinances
related
to
restricting
tobacco
sales.
I
think
it's
gonna
result
in
in
more
of
these
Atlanta
news.
Applications
and
I
don't
see
any
policy
reason
overall
in
the
city
that
we
shouldn't
be
looking
for
ways
to
support
businesses
that
have
the
opportunity
to
provide
both
the
gas
station
use
and
a
tobacco
store
used.
Of
course,
we
have
to
take
the
context
of
each
one
as
it.
H
A
A
None
I'll
just
add,
you
know,
I
think
this
is
a
pretty
straightforward
application.
Obviously,
in
the
c2
zoning
district
tobacco
sales
are
allowed.
This
use
currently
has
a
tobacco
license.
I
certainly
understand
the
speaker's
concerns,
but
you
it
would
be
difficult
for
us
to
simply
deny
the
application
on
those
grounds.
Commissioner,
bender
Thank.
H
H
B
D
D
A
K
A
project
before
you
is
a
15
unit,
apartment
building,
right
on
the
st.
Louis
Park
border
and
the
West
Calhoun
neighborhood.
The
site
is
8,000
773
square
feet
on
the
site
has
some
interesting
practical
difficulties.
As
a
30-foot
wide
city,
utility
easement
is
located
on
the
west
of
the
site,
limiting
the
buildable
area
to
43
feet.
The
site
is
currently
occupied
by
a
single-family
home.
K
So
here
you'll
see
the
site
and
the
neighboring
property
neighboring
property
directly
to
the
west
is
in
st.
Louis
Park.
So
it's
right
on
the
border
there
and
the
Greenway
is
right
below
or
right
to
the
south.
So
the
proposal
is
a
three
story:
15
unit
apartment
building
the
first
floor
would
have
a
main
entrance
feasting,
31st,
Street
West.
It
would
include
an
accessible
unit
on
the
ground
floor.
The
second
and
third
floors
would
have
six
units
each
for
a
total
of
15.
K
There
are
they're
all
studios
with
a
range
of
sizes
from
450
to
500
10
square
feet.
The
applicant
has
proposed
six
dollars
worth
of
a
common
area
and
a
288
square
foot
patio
in
the
front
yard,
as
common
space
and
the
public
sidewalk
would
be
continued
across
the
property.
There
is
currently
the
public
sidewalk
currently
ends
to
the
west
of
the
property.
So
here's
a
site
plan.
K
K
K
There
are
a
number
of
practical
difficulties
and
constraints
with
the
sites,
including
the
location
of
a
30-foot,
wide
utility
easement
on
site
and
a
12
foot
wide
driveway,
easement
neighboring
property
to
the
West,
has
rights
to
use
and
so
staff
finds
that
the
the
yard
variances
are
reasonable.
As
the
front
yard
would
be
in
keeping
with
the
established
front
yard
of
the
neighboring
property
and
the
district
staff
has
recommended
a
number
of
conditions
of
approval,
including
enhanced
landscaping
around
the
electrical
transformer
decorative
wrapping
and
landscaping.
K
The
east
side
yard,
between
the
subject,
sides
and
the
neighboring
property
and
to
surface
the
patio
with
durable
and
decorative
materials.
Staff
had
initially
had
concerns
about
the
the
drive,
aisle
and
parking
location
variances.
So,
however,
this
so
this
property
does
qualify
for
the
transit
incentive
reduction
due
to
proximity
to
the
proposed
Westlake
station
of
the
Southwest
light
rail
line.
K
I
I
L
Expensive
units
to
this
neighborhood,
which
is
a
highly
desirable
one
and
close
to
a
number
of
transit
oriented
opportunities
and
in
all
directions,
mean
that
we're
also
accept
all
of
the
conditions
of
approval
that
staff
laid
out
and
and
we'll
work
through
those
with
Public
Works.
As
we
go
through
the
finish
of
the
PDR
process
and
I'm
available.
For
any
any
other
questions
that
the
commissioners
might
have
all.
A
M
Campbell
3220
West
Calhoun
Park
right
good
evening,
president
Brown
commissioners
on
the
chair
of
the
West
Calhoun
Neighborhood
Council,
the
applicant
was
kind
enough
to
come
before
us
twice
with
his
concept
plan
and
basically
we
liked
the
concept
plan
it's
transitory
and
development.
We
have
no
objection
for
the
overall
concept.
The
one
concern
we
had
was
the
number
of
parking
spaces.
The
last
time
the
applicant
came
before
us.
It
was
applying
for
eight
parking
stalls.
It's
now
down
to
five.
M
We
would
hope
that
the
residents
are
able
to
do
without
cars,
but
we're
concerned
that
the
site
does
not
have
good
enough
access
to
transit
to
allow
the
renters
to
go
without
cars
and
we're
concerned,
but,
as
a
result
will
be
parking
the
street,
both
in
our
neighborhood
and
in
the
neighborhood
of
our
neighbors
in
st.
Louis
Park,
the
site
is
served
by
the
route
17
bus
line.
It's
a
about
a
1,
long
block
from
the
site
to
the
bus
stop,
which
runs
at
15-minute
intervals.
During
the
day.
M
M
So
we're
just
concerned
that,
although
we
like
the
concept,
we're
just
concerned
about
the
number
of
parking
spaces
and
I'd
also
point
out
that
one
other
apartment
complex
owner
in
our
neighborhood,
but
the
Bee
has
announced
that
he'll
be
coming
before
you
with
a
request
to
build
a
two-story
parking
room
because
he's
finding,
but
his
renters
think
they
need
cars
and
don't
have
sufficient
street
parking.
Thank
you
any
questions.
Thank.
A
N
Hello,
I'm
Jenny
Devore,
with
3811
West,
31st,
Street,
right
on
the
east
side
of
the
proposed
property
or
on
plan
project.
We
have
an
8
community
next
door
to
the
east
and
we
also
own
and
manage
340
units
at
that
corner
of
Ewing
and
34
West,
31st
Street
so,
and
we
also
manage
the
two
houses
and
duplexes
are
directly
across
the
street
from
the
proposed
project.
N
First
I'd
like
to
say,
while
I
feel
the
scale
of
the
building
is
a
little
too
large
for
the
point.
Two
acres
of
that
plot:
I'm
not
opposed
to
the
development
of
the
property.
The
cp/m
project
is
well
designed
and
will
be
a
added
value
to
the
neighborhood.
My
partners
and
I
have
two
primary
objections
to
the
proposed
CPM
project.
The
first
is
a
three
foot
setback:
a
reduction
of
the
three
set
book
on
the
east
side
of
the
property.
N
We
have
garden
level
units
that
could
be
negatively
impacted
by
any
of
the
construction
and
the
soil
disruption
that
close
to
the
building.
We
do
currently
have
a
drain
pipe
along
that
are
the
west
side
of
our
building
to
mitigate
some
of
the
water
that
rain
water.
On
that
side
that
sends
water
to
the
front
of
act,
but
I
mean
also.
The
concern
is
just
though,
with
the
three
feet
less
on
that
side.
Will
we
just
won't
get
the
light
on
that
side,
and
that
is
obviously
a
concern
we
have
to
be.
N
O
N
Second,
concern
is
the
same
as
the
gentleman
before
me
said
that
it's
the
parking
we've
had
are
we've
been
at
that
site
since
2004
with
our
different
buildings
in
the
area
we
have
seen
a
huge
reduction
in
the
amount
of
street
parking
available.
I
realized
that
there
is
no
parking
space
requirement
for
this
project,
but
due
to
the
unique
triangular
design
of
our
neighborhood,
with
only
four
short
north-south
streets
and
two
long
longer,
east-west
streets,
it's
extremely
limited.
Our
building
next
door
to
the
East
does
have
it's
an
18
into
building
with
18
spots.
N
The
122
unit
will
open
soon
and
that
will
add
to
the
problem
and
once
no
emergency
is
declared,
it's
gonna
be
miserable,
so
I
just
wanna
whatever
they
can
do
to
increase
the
parking
on
that
lot.
I
don't
know
if
they
could
forego
the
recycling
and
garbage
and
move
that
to
the
back
of
the
lot
and
add
an
additional
spot
in
that
location.
P
I'm
Andrea
Inga,
Burton
and
I
live
at
3907
West
31st
Street,
which
is
in
st.
Louis
Park.
It's
two
doors
down
from
the
proposed
building
site
just
wanted
to
voiced
some
concerns
on
behalf
of
my
husband
and
I.
We
have
mostly
parking
is
a
big
concern
as
well
as
pedestrian
safety.
As
others
have
said,
parking
is
hard
to
come
by
on
the
streets,
our
house,
we
have
a
single
style
garage
in
a
one
lane
driveway.
P
So
whenever
we
have
guests
over,
we
try
to
park
our
own
cars
in
the
streets
early
on
because
by
about
7:00
at
night,
all
of
the
street
parking
is
filled.
So
then
we
try
to
have
our
guests
park
in
our
driveway.
Just
this
last
weekend,
Saturday
night,
to
illustrate
how
busy
the
parking
is
already.
We
actually
had
to
call
st.
Louis
Park
Police
Department
yesterday,
because
the
night
before
a
car
had
blocked
our
entire
driveway,
so
they
have
to
told
them
yesterday.
P
So
obviously
it's
already
a
problem
and
adding
15
units,
albeit
the
fact
that
the
light
rail
project
is
in
the
future
and
there
are
bus
lines
all
of
us
know
not.
Everyone
is
going
to
not
have
a
car
who
lives
there.
The
size
of
the
lot
is
very
small.
We
were
shocked
to
learn
that
a
three
story-
15
unit
apartment-
was
being
built
there.
It's
just
one
small
little
post
there
right
now.
P
So,
yes,
our
concern
is
that
having
at
least
15
plus
people
living
there
and
only
five
parking
spots
is
going
to
be
a
challenge.
The
other
piece
I
wanted
to
bring
up
is
pedestrian
safety
in
that
area,
I'm
in
the
st.
Louis
Park
side,
but
the
entire
side
of
31st
Street,
that's
in
Minneapolis,
as
well
as
Ewing,
which
is
the
next
straight
down
perpendicular.
There
are
no
sidewalks
on
either
of
those
streets
and
with
parking
on
both
sides
of
the
street.
P
You
have
to
walk
in
the
middle
of
the
street
to
walk
down
the
street,
which
we
do
every
day
with
our
dog
and
currently
the
Greenway
I
mean
it
is
very
close
to
us,
but,
as
stated,
there's
no
direct
path
to
get
to
it.
Right
now
we
have
to
go
down
the
street
cut
through
an
apartment,
parking
lot
and
then
across
the
tracks
to
get
on
the
Greenway.
So
I
expect,
as
more
residents
are
living
on
the
street,
more
people
will
be
doing
that
they'll
be
more
foot
traffic
and
more.
B
P
Air
traffic,
which
makes
it
more
difficult
for
pedestrians,
especially
in
dark
situations,
one
question
I
did
have
of
the
developer-
is
I,
noted
and
I
saw
in
some
of
the
notes,
one
of
the
aerial
views.
It
shows
the
City
Line
st.
Louis
Park
in
Minneapolis,
and
also
refers
to
a
a
walking
path
that
was
built
when
they
developed
the
latest
apartment
buildings
that
are
directly
across
the
street
from
us.
So
it's
where
France
would
run
through
if
it
goes
all
the
way
through,
but
that's
now
walking
past,
so
you
can
get
down
to
Lake.
P
Street
I
was
wondering
if
that
will
be
extended
behind
the
building
or
beside
the
building
at
all
to
get
down
to
the
Greenway,
because
that
would
be
a
nice
easy
way
to
hop
on
the
Greenway
and
then
the
last
thing
I
wanted
to
point
out
is
that
new
apartment
building
that
is
directly
across
the
street.
From
me
on
the
st.
P
A
A
A
E
Q
J
Rock
well
I
guess
I'd
like
to
hear
from
the
applicant
briefly
on
the
transportation
thoughts
based
on
the
fact
that
you,
you
know,
there's
crossing
the
tracks
I
mean
is
that
something
people
are
doing
consistently
illegal
or
not.
What's
the
it's
a
little
bit
of
an
unusual
sight
in
terms
of
thinking
about
the
transportation
options,
it's
got
them
all,
but
it's
it's
not
ideal
for
anything.
The.
L
Property
behind
I
can
also
answer
a
little
more
about
the
drainage.
There
all
goes
to
the
opposite
side,
all
those
to
the
west
side
and
then
to
the
bluff,
which
is
where
the
side
that
the
Greenway
is.
It's,
not
our
property,
going
back
towards
the
Greenway,
and
we
do
know
that
that
folks,
you
can
actually
walk
down
there.
It's
not
it's
not
great.
It's
a
little
steep
and
it's
it's
there's
not
a
there's,
not
a
pathway.
It
would
take
some
additional
cooperation
to
extend
that.
L
R
R
R
I
used
to
live
a
few
blocks
from
here
when
I
was
a
teenager
and
still
take
the
bus
fairly
regularly
over
to
this
general
area
for
holidays
and
stuff
over
on
the
san
luis
park,
sighs.
I
think
this
is
a
pretty
good
natural
candidate
for
variances,
given
the
easement
that
we
have
on
the
property
and
the
intensity
of
the
development
certainly
fits
in
with
the
r6
owning
and
it's
in
the
future
transit
station
area
and
in
general.
R
I
think
this
is
a
very
good
example
of
something
that
we're
seeing
a
lot
more
now,
which
is
kind
of
that
missing
middle
housing
typology,
where
it's
not
a
huge
building,
its
relatively
small
building
and
fifteen
units
and
fits
in
a
little
bit
better
with
you
know
some
of
the
stuff.
That's
already
there.
P
O
S
A
T
T
T
The
applications
that
are
required
are
the
conditional
use
permit
to
allow
the
existing
school
addition
variances
for
the
the
walkway
which
exceeds
12
feet
in
width.
That
would
lead
to
the
new
entrance.
I
should
say
the
revised
entrance,
because
the
the
principal
entrance
already
is
in
that
location,
they're,
just
expanding
it
and
then
three
variances
one
to
increase
the
floor
area
ratio,
one
to
increase
the
maximum
pervious
services
and
one
to
increase
a
lot
coverage
regarding
the
impervious
services
and
lock
coverage
areas.
T
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
close
the
curb
cuts
on
the
north
and
west
sides
of
the
parking
lot
and
they're,
also
proposing
some
screening
and
additional
landscaping
along
the
parking
lot
perimeter,
but
staff
does
have
some
recommended
conditions
of
approval
that
I'll
go
into
in
a
second
here's.
The
general
floor
plan
of
the
addition
and
I'm,
just
including
some
additional
images
to
really
help
illustrate
what
the
existing
conditions
are
here.
So
again,
this
is
the
main
entrance
right
now,
just
to
the
north
of
the
main
entrance.
There
is
a
small
parking
lot.
T
That's
mostly
a
service
drive
for
the
public
school
school
vehicles
and
staff
is
recommending
that
they
that
the
apple
could
provide
a
minimum.
Five
foot
wide
landscape
buffer
along
this
parking
frontage,
as
well
as
for
additional
canopy
trees
to
meet
the
intent
of
the
the
code
of
5/32,
530
170
and
the
landscaping
screening
requirements
of
site
plan
review
are
triggered
for
parking
areas
as
part
of
the
conditional
use
permit
approval.
If
you
go
a
little
bit
to
the
north,
you
see
the
larger
parking
area
with
an
with
the
dumpster.
T
That's
currently
in
this
photo,
and
this
is
the
view
from
the
north
side.
The
applicant
has
clarified
to
staff
that
the
chain-link
fence
would
be
removed
as
part
of
this
proposal.
So
I
may
have
mentioned
in
the
staff
report
that
it
would
say,
but
it
will
be
removed
and
an
additional
tree
is
proposed
for
the
area
where
that
curb
cut
currently
is
and
would
be
removed,
and
this
is
the
East
parking
lot.
T
Frontage
staff
is
recommending
that
the
applicant
provide
additional
landscaping
in
trees
at
the
corners
of
parking
lots
to
meet
the
intent
of
5:30
170
along
the
east
side
of
the
site.
There
is
a
loading
area
with
also
some
refuse
and
recycling
containers
and
there's
a
condition
of
approval
that
we're
recommending
to
have
them
fully
fully
screened.
T
So,
just
as
a
summary,
the
applicant
is
Manimal
to
the
condition
that
150
bicycle
parking
spaces
be
shown
on
the
site
plan.
I
think
there
are
some
questions
about
fully
screening
all
of
the
refuse
and
recycling
containers,
and
also
the
mechanical
equipment
along
the
west
side
of
the
building
and
they'll
be
able
to
provide
more
detail
about
that.
T
And
then
these
are
the
landscaping
conditions
that
I've
addressed
earlier
just
to
provide
the
the
landscape
buffer
along
the
West
parking
lot
frontage,
additional
cheese
and
shrubs,
and
and
reduce
the
proposed
screen
to
three
feet:
maximum
along
all
parking
areas.
With
that
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions:
okay,.
A
U
V
B
Completely
opaque
screening
at
grade
as
a
challenge
for
the
public
schools,
safety
and
security
of
students
and
staff
is
a
large
issue
that
we
have
at
every
site.
The
presence
of
tall
completely
opaque
screening
at
grade
gives
people,
unfortunately,
a
place
to
hide,
and
we
have
had
trouble
with
this
at
other
sites
and
do
not
expect
that
this
site
will
be
any
different
if
there's
an
alternate
method
of
compliance
to
100%,
opaque,
very
tall
screening
around
refuse
containers,
and
in
particular
that
will
be
helpful.
We
have
one
concern
about
opaque
screening
at
mechanical
units.
B
We
have
a
ongoing
theft
problem
with
mechanical
units
that
are
at
grade
that
they
are
harvested
for
scrap
metal
and
we're
concerned
that,
by
providing
an
opaque
service,
our
outs,
our
outdoor
security
cameras,
would
not
even
be
able
to
catch
people
on
footage.
It
would
give
them
a
nice
quiet
place
to
disassemble
our
mechanical
units
instead
of
having
to
do
it
out
in
the
open.
A
V
The
other
issue
item
9.
We
don't
have
an
issue
providing
the
trees
and
we
were
willing
to
work.
We
actually
Miss
Smith
met
with
her
prior
to
this
meeting
and
I
think
we
would
be
certainly
amenable
to
providing
the
quantity
of
trees.
The
locations
get
to
be
a
little
bit
of
a
challenge.
We
have
one
location
proposed
or
recommended
that
is
right
on
top
of
a
existing
storm
sewer
line,
existing
clay
tile,
which
can
be
problematic
for.
I
V
And
root
structures
and
another
one
another
location.
This
would
be
the
northeast
and
northwest
corners
where
the
northwest
corner
I
believe
would
the
canopy
proposed
that
would
probably
overlap
with
an
existing
canopy
tree.
We've
already
proposed
adding
a
couple
additional
trees
beyond
the
requirement
on
the
east
side
of
the
existing
gymnasium,
which
is
a
large
wall
with
no
windows
and
would
be
certainly
amenable
to
doing
a
trade-off
where
we
would
add
some
additional
trees
there
for
additional
screening
of
that
blank
wall
to
bring
our
total
tree
count
within
the
recommendations.
B
We
have
not
found
a
great
solution
to
screening
at
the
trash
receptacles
in
order
to
meet
the
intent
of
the
zoning
code.
I
hide
them
visually
from
from
view.
We
don't
have
a
great
solution
for
that
with
the
mechanical
units.
A
screen
that
was
not
totally
opaque
might
be
a
middle
ground
and
that
might
also
work
at
the
trash
receptacles.
D
A
T
D
J
T
So
in
total
the
applicant
would
be
required
to
add
southern
new
canopy
trees
to
the
site
in
particular,
so
there
would
be
two
here.
So
this
is
the
East
parking
lot
frontage
and
this
corner.
This
quarter
portion
of
the
site
is
where
the
applicant
has
indicated
that
there
is
a
storm
sewer
conflict,
possibly
so,
and
they
would
be
able
to
talk
to
know
a
little
bit
more
but
I
believe.
There's
a
7
foot
depth
there.
So
they're
concerned
that
the
routes
would
overlap
with,
could
eventually
overlap
with
infrastructure.
T
That's
there,
but
we
would
be
requiring
two
canopy
trees
on
this
side,
one
in
each
corner
and
then
there's
one
that
they
were
already
proposing
in
that
curb
cut,
and
then
there
would
be
four
required
in
the
new
landscape
buffer
along
the
West
parking
lot
frontage
in
this
location.
So
right
now
there
is
no
buffer.
We
were
requiring
a
five
foot
buffer
and
then
also
for
canopy
trees.
D
Y
You
so
I
am
very
concerned
about
the
safety
issue
and
I
know:
there's
got
to
be
a
solution,
I
mean
if
they
used
like
a
latticework
or
I
know
it
wouldn't
be
completely
screened,
but
I
think
it's
more
important
that
our
kids
are
safe.
Then
people
look
at
trash
cans.
So
what's
an
option
for
us
to
do
something
different
I
mean
if
there's
like
brought
iron
latticework
I
mean
it's
not
ideal,
but
you
know
kids
being
attacked
and
educators
and
so
forth
is
less
ideal.
It's
like.
Z
A
A
R
A
D
A
C
O
A
O
K
Commissioners,
this
application
is
for
signage
on
651
Nicollet
Mall,
that's
the
gaved.
A
common
building
applicant
is
the
YMCA,
the
greater
Twin
Cities,
and
they
occupy
space
on
all
five
levels
of
the
building
and
renovations
are
currently
underway
for
an
addition
and
force
other
renovations
to
the
sites.
The
zoning
here
is
the
before
to
downtown
business
district
with
the
Nicollet
Mall
in
downtown
parking
overlay
districts.
K
Total
two
would
be
on
the
west
side
and
three
on
the
north
side,
so
the
the
proposed
switch
film
would
block
views
into
and
out
of
the
building.
The
applicant
has
specifically
noted
the
type
of
activity
in
the
space
as
necessitating
some
sort
of
way
of
blocking
views
into
the
building
during
certain
hours.
K
The
applicant
did
today
submit
some
revised
drawings
that
show
a
smaller
area
of
switch
film,
as
was
previously
proposed.
However,
staff
finds
that
the
revised
proposal
doesn't
change.
The
overall
recommendation,
so
here
again
are
those
applications,
and
you
can
see
this
is
the
floor
plan
of
gaved,
a
common
and
the
white
space
is
the
tenant
space
in
question
on
the
ground
floor.
So
the
applicant,
the
space
only
has
eight
ground
floor
windows
to
begin
with,
two
of
them
look
into
a
stairwell.
K
This
is
a
just
a
view
of
the
site.
The
applicant
submitted
today
showing
the
two
windows
at
the
corner
near
the
traffic
signal
and
those
are
where
the
dynamic
sign
is
proposed,
and
then
here
is
a.
This
is
a
the
original
drawing
showing
the
switch
Phillips
obstructing
most
of
the
window,
with
the
dynamic
sign
projected
into
small
area.
This
is
the
revised
drawing
showing
that
the
switch
film
would
only
be
obstructing
views
between
4
and
7
feet
above
grade
and
would
not
be
obstructing
the
entire
window
area.
Again.
K
This
is
a
6th
Street
side,
and
this
is
the
revised
drawing
that
the
switch
film
would
only
block
views
between
4
and
7
feet.
Great
and
so
staff
has
some
serious
concerns
with
the
proposal.
The
main
two
main
concerns
about
risk
to
public
health
and
safety
is
that
the
proposed
location
is
immediately
adjacent
to
a
traffic
signal
at
the
corner.
K
So
there
are
a
number
of
standards
of
the
zoning
code.
That's
the
switch
film
would
cause
the
building
not
to
me,
including
the
requirements
for
non-residential
windows,
so
that
the
window
should
be
vertical
in
proportion.
Windows
should
be
distributed
in
a
more
or
less
even
manner,
essentially
required.
Windows
should
not
block
views
into
now
the
building
between
four
and
seven
feet
above
grade
and
then
in
multiple
tenant
buildings.
Each
individual
ground
level
tenant
space
needs
to
meet
the
minimum
window
requirement.
K
So
the
applicant
is
also
submitted.
A
proposal
for
a
wall
sign
I,
don't
believe,
I
have
a
photo
in
here.
It's
on
the
7th
Street
and
Nicollet
side.
Eighty
five
point
five
feet
above
grade
and
it's
a
small
wall
sign
that
just
spells
out
YMCA
and
is
internally
illuminated
and
the
niccola
mall
overlay
district
has
the
largest
allotment
of
any
zoning
district.
K
So
staff
has
recommended
denial
of
the
conditional
use
permit
to
allow
dynamic
sign
the
variance
to
allow
more
than
one
dynamic
sign.
Oh
no
zoning
lot
and
the
variance
to
allow
window
sign
blocking
views
into
and
out
of
the
building
between
four
and
seven
feet.
Both
grade
and
staff
has
recommended
approval
of
the
variance
to
increase
the
maximum
height
of
a
wall
sign
from
28.
A
AA
AA
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
the
approval
on
the
height
variance
for
the
YMCA
Nicola
in
7th.
Now,
regarding
the
other
variance,
doesn't
see
up
to
you,
P,
for
which
the
staff
has
recommended
denial.
We
want
to
go
into
some
more
of
our
thoughts
and
I'm
sure
that
with
you,
so
we
have
brought
forth
this
sidewalk
window
as
we're,
calling
it
to
the
staff
and
that
did
get
to
you
guys
before
we
took
it
off.
We
rescinded
it
before
you
voted
on
it.
AA
If
any
of
you
remember
at
this
February
of
this
year,
so
the
reason
for
that
is,
we
did
want
it,
though
I
did
want
to
take
that
forward
back
and
say.
Let's
look
at
this
and
try
to
come
back
with
something
a
little
more
meeting,
the
intent
of
the
city.
It
was
previously
big
bulky
screens
that
couldn't
change.
They
found
this
switch
glass
technology
and
thought.
Okay,
this
might
meet
both
of
our
needs.
The
intent
of
the
Y
is
to
be
visible
to
really
showcase.
AA
What's
going
on
in
the
Y
be
visible
to
pedestrians,
they
don't
want
to
hide
by
any
stretch
behind
a
screen
or
a
sign
or
anything
of
what's
going
on,
but
for
a
couple
of
members
who
want
to
get
down
and
try
this
awesome
technology
on
level,
one
who
might
be
sensitive
have
some
body
issues
some
cultural
issues.
They
want
to
have
an
option
to
switch
off
one
window,
maybe
another
window-
we
don't
know
which
one
so
they
can
try
this
this
fitness
equipment
for
maybe
an
hour.
It
might
be
an
hour
in
the
morning.
AA
It
might
be
an
hour
in
the
afternoon.
It
wouldn't
be.
We
don't
see
it
being
more
than
three
hours
in
a
day
if
that,
but
without
this
technology,
the
Y
is
looking
at
putting
mini
blinds
in
the
space
and
that's
the
lab
thing
that
they
want
to
do
so.
That's
that's
the
context
for
bringing
in
this
forward.
Here
we
met
with
the
Don
to
a
Minneapolis
neighborhood
association
a
little
over
a
month
ago,
and
they
were
really
enthusiastic
about
bringing
this
technology.
They
understood.
AA
It
wasn't
really
written
into
the
code
to
do
something
like
this,
but
they
thought
it
was
a
great
application,
really
bringing
something
forward,
thinking
to
the
space
to
meet
our
needs
and
bring
technology
to
this
new
Nicollet
Mall,
with
the
light
walk
right
outside
the
door.
So
we
brought
forward
some
new
ideas
today.
I
know
it's
it's
not
maybe
conventional
to
do
so,
but
as
Lindsay
shared,
if
I
can
just
go
back
to
those
images
there
up
on
the
screen.
Here
again,
we
show
to
switch
glass
images
here
on
Nicollet
Mall.
AA
We
have
a
full
window
open.
We
will
maintain
visibility
above
and
below.
Like
I
said,
this
is
meant
to
be
just
when
a
member
needs
some
sensitivity
for
trying
something
out.
If
there's
somebody
waiting
for
a
stoplight
and
there's
a
cocker
staring
hey,
can
we
switch
this
so
somebody's
a
little
more
comfortable?
Yes
and
then
we'll
turn
it
off
when
that
person
is
done
and
moving
on.
So
that's
really
the
intent
here
and
then
to
also
go
back
to.
AA
AA
I
wanted
to
pause
on
that
image,
so
this
was
a
shot
today
with
the
final
installation
you
can
see
the
window
is
that
we're
replacing
tore,
boarded
up
and
one
is
open,
I
respect
that
there
was
some
there,
the
traffic
input,
but
just
to
point
out,
we
you
know.
We
hope
that
there's
some
consideration
that
there
hopefully
isn't
a
safety
concern
there.
We
definitely
don't
want
to
cause
any
accidents.
So,
overall,
we
believe
that
we
are
enhancing
the
Nicollet
Mall
experience
here
by
obviously
having
the
Y
on
the
first
floor.
AA
B
Q
AB
AB
We
want
to
interact
internally
if
you
haven't
been
into
gavotte
a
recently
you'll
see
that
there's
bridges
that
go
across
the
atrium
now
in
stairs
that
circumvent
the
bridges,
we're
suggesting
about
650
people
just
over
the
lunch
hour,
will
be
circumventing
all
of
these
stairs
and
bridges
and
really
activating
the
inside
of
them
all.
At
the
same
time.
What
happens
on
the
outside
of
it
is
critically
important
to
us
to
the
we
see
that
the
the
non-conventional
approach
to
this
may
be.
AB
What's
hanging
the
staff
up,
the
idea
that
we're
using
switch
glass
instead
of
a
shade,
for
example,
it's
on
a
risk
that
so
we
can
actually
dial
it
in
the
projection
that
we
would
use
is
from
a
digital
projector
and,
by
definition,
that's
a
dynamic
sign,
but
we
plan
on
using
it
statically.
So
when
we
dial
on
the
image
so
that
it
screens
people
from
working
out
inside,
we
want
to
be
able
to
project
an
image
to
let
people
see
what's
happening,
even
though
they
maybe
can't
see
it.
AB
So
we
we
really
made
a
mistake
early
on
and
how
we
were
graphically
representing
this.
We
never
intended
to
screen
the
entire
window.
We
wanted
to
just
screen
the
switch
glass
that
you
see
in
this
image,
but
because
the
area
was
under
construction,
our
graphic
artists,
masked
the
entire
construction
area
out
and
it
appeared
like
it-
was
switch
glass
on
the
entire
window
from
top
to
bottom.
This
image
really
shows
what
our
intention
is
and
that's
to
sort
of
Mathi.
What
would
be
your
eye
level?
AB
So,
as
you
walk
by
and
you
looked
in,
you
couldn't
really
see
very
well,
but
if
you
were
out
as
far
like
as
Nicollet
Mall
or
out
in
the
sixth,
even
though
you
would
be
able
to
see
under
over,
you
would
be
twenty
or
thirty
feet
away
from
somebody
that
would
be
behind
the
window
working
out.
This
is
a
very
dynamic
Fitness
area.
For
us,
it's
it's
a
call
advanced
training.
There
will
be
heavy
weights
down
here
and
kind
of
a
functional
training
area,
so
we
people
flipping
ropes
and
using
kettlebells,
and
things
like
that.
AB
So
it's
meant
to
be
active.
We're
hoping
that
most
of
the
day
we
have
the
switch
class
turned
off
and
that
interaction
between
the
participants
and
the
sidewalk
can
happen
because
for
us
this
is
a
great
opportunity
to
really
show
our
wares.
But,
like
Emily
said
there's
times
when,
when
we're
hoping
to
use
the
switch
glass,
so
the
switch
glass
is
really
meant
to
just
be
a
shade
and
not
a
sign.
But
because
of
the
way
the
ordinance
is
written.
AB
The
switch
glass
falls
under
the
sign
variance
the
image,
even
though
it's
being
used
as
a
through
a
digital
projector.
That
allows
us
to
change
the
image
periodically
like
when
we're
promoting
for
our
summer
programs
or
when
we
have
a
fitness
promotion.
It
wasn't
meant
to
be
seen
as
a
dynamic
sign,
but
because
it's
a
projector,
the
only
way
to
define
it
is
by
calling
it
dynamic.
So
the
conditional
use
permit
obviously
is
to
have
a
sign
on
6th
and
nickle
at
all.
AB
So
we're
hoping
that
this
evening,
you'll
approve
seeing
the
the
digital
projector
as
a
static
sign,
allowing
a
sign
on
both
6th
and
Nicollet,
because
obviously
there's
two
very
distinct
views
from
both
of
those
and
seeing
the
the
switch
glass
not
so
much
as
a
as
a
secondary
sign
to
mask
window
front,
but
actually
like
a
digital
shape
that
allows
us
to
either
dial
it
down
or
turn
it
off,
so
that
people
can
see
into
our
facility.
And
it's.
Mr.
president,
if
you
have
any
questions,
we'd
be
happy
to
answer
those
great.
AA
AB
We
probably
have
the
same
vibe.
You
know
at
this
part
of
Nicollet
Mall,
you've
got
the
light,
walk
be
I'm,
sure,
you've
all
seen
it.
We
think
that
this,
this
kind
of
level
of
Technology,
interacting
with
what's
happening
on
Nicollet
Mall
and
the
and
the
light
walk,
is
really
a
cool
interaction.
It's
just
you
know
it's
obviously
struggling
with
what
the
way
the
ordinance
is
there.
It
I
know.
J
J
AB
J
Do
you
have
a
sense
from
from
the
you
stein
time
used
per
day,
give
a
sense
of
how
long
would
be
use
per
day,
and
we
would
there
be
a
an
acceptable
condition
on
a
maximum
number
of
hours.
For
example,
I
mean
you
said
in
your
example:
1
to
2
hours,
I
suspect,
that's
under
selling
it,
but
you
know,
for
would
you
say,
there's
a
maximum
of
4
hours
a
day
would
be
acceptable.
Yes,.
A
AA
AA
Q
AA
AB
AB
AB
Q
Because
I
got
to
tell
you,
my
concern
is
not
with
the
technology
and
not
with
the
reason
behind
it.
I
kind
of
technology
sounds
great
and
all
that
it's
almost
as
if
there
were
any
other
windows
except
the
corner
ones
on
Nicollet
that
you
know
on
some
level.
I
just
think
the
last
thing
this
brand
new
mall
needs
is
an
opportunity
to
block
some
windows
and.
AB
A
A
K
So
zoning,
so
they
had
previously
come
through
for
dynamics
applicant
mentioned
in
February,
and
there
was
a
condition
that
they
could
not
have
dynamic
science
in
those
two
windows
at
the
corner.
The
zoning
code
prohibits
signs
that
have
red,
green
or
amber
illumination
within
a
certain
distance
of
any
traffic
signals.
K
K
The
other
thing
is
that
we,
the
Zoning
Administrator,
had
determined
that
the
while
they
are
applying
for
the
the
variance
to
block
views
for
a
window
sign
between
four
and
seven
feet
above
grade
that
doesn't
apply
to
just
the
switch
film
itself.
They
still
will
need
to
meet
their
minimum
window
requirements.
H
You
mr.
chair
I,
just
you
know
it's
kind
of
a
maybe
a
question
for
staff,
but
maybe
also
just
a
consideration
that
I
think
we
try
not
to
add
conditions
that
are
difficult
to
enforce
and
there's
just
a
question
about
the
enforceability
of
how.
How
would
we
be
tracking
how
many
hours
a
day
this
sign
was
on?
So
if
you
come
by
at
4
p.m.
and
it's
on,
how
do
you
know
how
many
hours
that
has
been
on
for
the
rest
of
the
day?
So
it
seems
like
something
that
would
be
very
difficult
to
enforce.
A
J
F
J
A
J
J
You
know
the
switch
glass
may
or
may
not
work,
but
I
think
that's
better
than
than
shades
and
and
I,
and
we've
seen
the
new
Nordstrom
Rack
come
in
on
the
IDS
building
and
it's
a
real
shame
that
all
of
those
windows
are
covered
up,
because
you
can't
see
into
any
of
the
retail
along
the
clip.
Mall
and
I
worry
that
we
walk
into
that
with
this.
You
know,
I,
hope
that
if
this
motion
passes
that
the
shades
are
up
as
much
as
possible.
Y
I
A
So
I
wonder
maybe
maybe
we
should
vote
on
the
overall
motion
and
so
just
to
clarify
procedurally
it
if,
if
those
who
wanted
to
vote
against
any
portion
of
the
motion
simply
voted
against
the
motion,
the
entire
motion,
I
I,
think
that
would
be
an
easier
way
of
doing
this.
And
then
perhaps
we
have
an
alternate
motion.
Is
that
you.
A
W
A
U
H
J
I'd
say
you
know,
based
on
the
findings
that
they
believe
mr.
Breslin
is
asking
us
to
think.
If
you
appropriately,
is
that
you
know
I,
think
the
conditional
use
permit,
given
the
all
of
the
various
possibilities
for
this
space
I
think
does
not
is
not
injurious
to
the
use
and
enjoyment
of
other
property.
And
my
you
know,
my
inclination
would
be
to.
J
A
A
I
A
AC
Have
a
question
for
staff
I
just
want
clarify
what
the
size
of
the
sign
we
are
ordering
on.
The
image
on
her
screen
shows
a
full
width
switch
glass
with
image
to
image
in
her
packets.
It
shows
an
image
at
6
feet
wide,
which
appears
to
be
centered
on
the
window.
That's
4
feet
off
great
on
the
bottom.
Can
you
clarify
for
us
what
they're
sure.
K
The
plans
emitted
with
their
applications
showed
a
dynamic
sign
of
too
many
dynamic
signs
on
the
two
windows
at
the
corner,
one
of
15
square
feet
in
one
of
18
square
feet.
These
renderings
were
updated
today
to
show
a
clear
rendering
of
what
the
switch
film
would
look
like.
So
these
newer
photos
that
were
submitted
today
don't
have
any
measurements
on
them.
So,
but
the
application
had
been
for
the
15
and
18
square
feet
for
the
signs.
AA
AC
AC
J
Right,
just
briefly
on
the
findings
on
the
first
finding
establishment
made
note,
sir
operation
of
the
conditional
use
will
not
be
detrimental
to
or
endanger
the
public,
health
safety
or
general
welfare
I
I
find
this
is
not.
We
have
taken
into
account
the
various
concerns
of
Public
Works
that
are
articulated
in
both
in
the
staff
memo
and
an
additional
email
provided
to
us
the
beginning
of
this
meeting
and
have
limited
the
change
frequency
dramatically
in
the
colors.
J
W
W
A
F
U
O
O
A
I
J
Just
to
quickly
review
the
findings,
I
think
the
practical
difficulties
as
outlined
by
the
applicant
or
the
intent
to
have
a
variety
of
populations
using
the
spaces
and
that
there
will
be
window
coverings
of
one
sort
or
another.
Regardless
of
what
this
commission,
how
this
commission
votes
and
I
believe
that
this
is
a
reasonable
manner
in
spirit
in
as
close
to
the
spirit
of
the
ordinance
as
as
any
window
covering
is
to
I.
A
C
D
G
S
O
O
A
E
Good
evening,
mr.
president,
members
of
the
Commission,
this
is
a
request
for
a
cluster
development
located
at
the
northeast
corner
of
2nd
Street,
northeast
and
24th
Avenue
Northeast.
Currently,
it's
owned
are
to
be,
as
is
the
property
to
the
east,
south
and
west,
with
a
little
bit
of
c1.
There's
a
townhome
project
under
construction,
currently
just
to
the
north
of
this
site.
That
is
zoned
r3.
You
can
see
here.
The
site
currently
has
one
single-family
dwelling.
It
was
originally
three
residential
lots
that
were
combined
and
the
house
was
moved
on
to
this
site.
E
Patios
reduce
the
corner
side,
yard
setback
on
24th
Avenue,
northeast
from
10
feet,
to
7
feet
for
the
ground-level
patios
and
then
to
increase
the
maximum
pervious
surface
coverage
from
60%
to
67.8%
and
then
finally
site
plan
review.
You
can
see
here
the
proposed
site
plan.
It
would
have
the
six
unit
building
fronting
along
to
second
Street
northeast
with
walk-up
units
and
the
four
unit
building
would
front
on
to
24th
Avenue.
E
The
surface
parking
lot
with
12
stalls
would
be
located
to
the
interior
site
access
by
the
alley
and
they
would
have
a
indoor
bicycle
facility
and
a
screen
trash
enclosure,
so
renderings
showing
what
the
proposed
proposal
is.
Majority
of
the
material
would
be
stucco,
there's
also
fiber
cement
panel
and
metal
panel
as
well,
and
the
interior
of
the
site
site
plan.
Here
they
are
meeting
the
landscaping
requirements.
E
Screening,
all
of
the
ground-level
mechanical
equipment
and
staff
does
have
one
extra
condition
to
add
one
canopy
tree
to
the
east
end
of
the
parking
lot
to
comply
with
standard
that
all
parking
spaces
be
located
within
50
feet
of
a
tree
and
then
the
utility
plan
here,
the
stormwater
on
site
they're,
proposing
to
manage
it
through
catch
basins,
want
to
be
in
the
parking
lot
and
the
interior
of
the
site
and
connect
to
the
stormwater
system.
Based
on
the
variance
to
increase
the
impervious
surface
coverage.
E
Staff
is
recommending
a
conditional
approval
on
that
variance
to
break
up
the
curb
to
allow
infiltration
into
the
landscaping
on
site
which
the
applicant
has
said
that
they
are
okay
with,
and
so
we
are
recommending
approval
of
all
the
applications
conditions
of
approval,
as
mentioned
on
the
variance
and
then
for
recommended
conditions
of
approval
on
the
site
plan.
And
with
that
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
A
I
A
AD
AD
AD
Their
proposal
is
actually
the
four
six
unit
rental
structures.
They
are
saying
at
this
time:
they're
rental.
They
are
not
home
owner
properties
in
this
area.
That
is
one
of
our
concerns
at
this
time
and
our
other
concern
is
the
setback
reduction
from
28
to
15.
The
board
does
not
approve
this
side
yard
setback
reduction
from
10
to
7
feet
as
it
reduces
green
space
and
does
not
fit
with
existing
setback
set
by
others
in
this
area.
AD
Further
in
keeping
with
preservation
and
existing
historical
structures,
the
board
proposes
that
the
Prairie
school
home,
that
is
at
24,
both
7
2nd
Street
northeast,
be
preserved.
This
home
has
a
4-bedroom
4-bath
structure,
with
quarried
on
it's
and
ceramic
tile
in
the
bathrooms.
There's
a
hundred
and
sixteen
year
old,
stained-glass
windows
in
this
home.
AD
They
should
be
preserved
from
demolition
by
any
means
in
this
process
or
be
moved
they're
concerned
that
the
board
has
at
the
two
meetings
with
the
developers,
the
sustainable
water,
permeable,
paving
materials
be
used
that
reflect
the
stormwater
best
management
practices
as
outlined
and
many
of
the
area
plans.
Bono
has
because
we
abut
the
Mississippi
River
and
the
site
of
the
proposed
construction
is
on
a
previous
wetland.
D
A
A
C
AE
E
They're
proposing
three
catch
basins
here,
there's
one
in
the
parking
lot
in
two
on
the
interior
of
the
lot,
so
any
storm
water
coming
off
the
buildings
will
be
funneled
into
those
catch
basins
which
tie
into
the
stormwater
system.
But
the
applicant
is
amenable
to
a
condition
to
break
up
the
curving
in
the
parking
lot
and
regrade
so
that
some
of
the
stormwater
does
infiltrate
in
the
adjacent
landscaping
instead
of
sending
it
all
to
the
stormwater
system.
J
Just
very
briefly,
I
think
this
project
is
great
and
I
think
that
these
kind
of
dense,
but
neighborhood
projects
are
exactly
what
Minneapolis
should
be
doing
in
a
lot
of
cities.
Sorry
in
a
lot
of
neighborhoods,
where
we
we
you
know,
have
goals
that
to
add
density
and
to
build
capacity,
and
there
are
concerns
about
character
or
concerns
about
shadowing
or
whatnot
and
and
I
think.
A
O
A
U
AF
Commissioners
for
the
Longfellow
station
project,
the
there's
the
applications,
the
conditioner
use
permit
for
the
planet,
development,
the
three
variances
and
site
plan
review
to
allow
for
the
two-story,
a
ten
thousand
square
foot
building
and
a
surface
parking
lot
went
in
the
back
at
the
southeast
corner
of
30th.
In
Hiawatha
background
is
its
stated
in
report.
A
similar
project
was
approved
seven
years
ago
that
built.
D
AF
AF
Ordinance
when
you
have
a
plan
of
development
and
each
phase
is
not
implemented
and
that
particular
phase
needs
to
meet
the
zoning
code
requirements
on
its
own
and
the
big
request
here
is
that
FAA
request
to
go
to
go
below
the
minimum
of
one
point
on
the
PIO
district
yeah
proposing
a
point
three
if
they
are
Floria
ratio
or
the
3801
development
site.
So
this
is
the
approved
site
plan
from
2010
and
here's
images
from
today
or
close
to
it.
November
of
2016.
AF
In
addition,
we
see
we
do
see
and
there
are
improvements
with
this
project
compared
to
the
2010
proposal.
The
applicant
is,
did
raise
the
building
to
two
storeys.
There
is
a
mezzanine
level,
so
you
could
argue
that
it's
not
a
choose
two
storey
building,
but
it
could
add
a
quality
commercial
building
at
this
corner,
they're,
adding
pedestrian
lighting
they're,
adding
a
Plaza
that
wasn't
part
of
the
previous
proposal,
more
landscaping
around
the
periphery
of
the
site
and
internal
in
particular,
near
the
plaza
and
in
the
stormwater
retention
area.
AF
Also,
when
analyzing
the
site
as
a
whole,
the
entire
plane
unit
development,
it
has
an
f
AR
of
one
point,
four
five,
and
so
it
does.
If
you
look
at
the
entire
site,
it
would
exceed
the
1.0
for
every
request.
One
point:
minimum
F
they
are
and
I
also
I,
know
that
the
Commission
is
very
similar.
Here's
here's
some
close-up
drawings
of
the
plaza
that
senior
in
your
package,
so
the
the
rain
garden
here
plaza
and
outdoor
seating
area
for
the
commercial
building
I
know.
Z
A
D
A
AG
J
I
you
know,
I
have
concerns
about
the
the
FA
are
and
the
parking
lot
frontage
you
know,
I
recognize
the
site
has
constraints
and
I
recognize
that
the
Planning
Commission
might
have
approved
this
seven
years
ago,
but
I.
You
know
that
approval
is
not
valid
and
circumstances
around
this
property
have
changed
a
lot.
J
That
calls
for
a
a
more
urban
development
scheme,
and
so
I
have
a
lot
of
concerns
about
approving
something
that
is,
you
know
two
two-story
next
to
a
highway
and
allowing
the
parking
lot
frontage.
So
if
you
could
kind
of
comment
on
those
on
the
history
of
the
site
on
you
know,
whatever
you
think
it's
germane
to
those
concerns,
sir.
AG
You
know
I,
think
I,
think
the
biggest
you
know,
reason
that
this
didn't
happen
in
seven
years
is
kind
of
the
same
reason
that
it's
a
two-story
building
and
it's
of
demand.
You
know
if
we
had.
You
know
users
that
it
really
expressed
an
interest
in
wanting
to
via
this
location
and
over
the
course
of
time
we
were.
You
know,
ready
to.
You
know,
hit
the
green
light
and
make
this
happen.
We
simply
didn't
see
that
the
demand
was
there.
AG
We've
since
had
you
know,
interest
expressed
to
us
in
the
space
and
we
actually
originally
proposed
as
their
mentioned
one-story
building,
you
know,
staff
pushed
back
and
said
you
know,
that's
not
tall
enough.
You
know
they
would
have
liked
to
see
something
taller,
and
so
this
was
kind
of
an
ongoing
conversation
and
compromise.
You
know
between
us
being
willing
to
say:
okay,
we.
B
AG
J
You
consider
you
know
and
I
know
the
site's
got
some
some
funny
quirks
to
it,
but
there's
still
quite
a
bit
of
buildable
area
on
it.
Did
you
consider
you
know
taller
building
with
you
know,
enclosed
multi-level
parking
I
mean
I.
You
know,
I
recognize
the
need
for
parking,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
the
parking
concerns
preclude
denser
development
or
if
they
do
I,
don't
understand
how
that
works.
I
understand
how
that
might
work
in
terms
of
the
financing
which
we're
not
allowed
to
consider.
J
But
you
know
looking
at
the
site
it
feels
like
there's.
There
are
probably
ways
that
you
could
double
or
triple
the
parking
and
also
triple
the
size
of
the
building
right
and
you
know
again,
I
recognize
this
been
sort
of
a
funny
area
in
terms
of
demand,
but
there's
a
lot
of
development
again
going
on
on
the
west
side
of
Hiawatha
and
so
I
I.
J
Wonder
if
you
could
comment
on
whether
that's
shifting
the
demand
in
the
area
I
assume
the
demand
shifted
to
some
degree,
because
you
are
here
asking
to
build
with
the
building
and-
and
we
know
that
there
is
a
is
a
five-story
building
going
up
cross
street
and
some
four-story
buildings,
a
block
from
that
and
so
and
so
forth.
We've
seen
a
lot
of
applications
in
this
area
come
through
sure.
AG
You
know
we
see
this
building.
As
you
know,
a
retail
use
of
commercial
use.
You
know
we
see
the
the
potential
users
and
demand
has
been
expressed
to
us
from
you
know.
We
can't
get
out
any
names,
but
but
you
know
more
local
food
and
you
know
service
type
of
providers.
You
know,
certainly
if
we
were
going
to
do
underground
parking
or
multi-level
parking,
we
would
need
space
above
that
you
know
to
certainly
justify
the
cost
of
that.
I
know
that
you
guys
can't
consider
financing.
AG
Unfortunately,
we
have
to,
and
so
if
we
were
going
to
justify
the
cost
to
build
that,
we
would
need
to
know
that
the
demand
is
there.
You
know
have
to
generate
the
revenue
and
income
to
to
build
that
that
parking.
You
know,
we
don't
see
the
demand
there
for
office
space
in
this
area,
which
is
typically
what
you
would
see
on.
You
know
in
levels
three
or
more,
you
know
you
don't
typically
see
food
and
retail
on
on.
You
know
standalone
building
on
levels.
Three
through
six,
you
see
housing
or
you
see
office.
AG
Know
immediately
to
the
south,
and
so
and
there's
there's
plenty
of
other
housing
developments
going
on.
We
really
we
do
see
a
need
for
for
retail,
but
in
a
limited
fashion.
You
know
we
we
simply.
If
we
put
and
made
this
a
50,000
square
foot
building,
we
don't
have
nearly
the
the
commitments
that
it
would
take
to
get.
This
done
is.
J
There
a
reason
why
there's
not
were
you're
not
considering
housing.
On
top
I
mean
there
is
because
there
is
a
demand
for
housing,
as
he
just
said,
but
it
could
be
a
mixed-use
building,
I
mean
and
I
should
say.
Also
if
the
outside
you
know,
I've
sort
of
jumped
in
I
think
the
architecture
of
the
building
as
it
faces
the
corner
is
actually
I,
really
like
it
and
I
think
it
looks
nice
and
I
think
Basel
looks
nice
and
such
this
is
not.
J
This
is
not
to
say,
you
know
what
a
terrible
project
this
is
just
thinking
about.
Our
role
here
is
really
about
considering
you
know
the
the
policies
and
the
regulations
that
we
have
on
the
books
and
the
city
and
and
why
those
are
there
and
and
how
we
can
move
the
city
forward
in
a
long-term
fashion
and
I
know.
You
know
that
and
there's
sometimes
tensions
on
on.
J
AG
You
know
you
would
have
to
go
up
pretty
high
to
get
the
number
of
units
that
it
would
take
to
make
this
a
really
efficient.
You
know,
building
we,
we
don't
typically
do
a
lot
of
buildings
that
are
thirty
units
or
you
know,
35
units
simply
because
it
just
doesn't
generate
what,
with
the
fixed
expenses
that
you
have
in
terms
of
payroll
and
staffing,
and
things
like
that,
it
doesn't
generate
the
revenue
that
you
would
need
to
get
it
built
and
to
build
underground
parking
Intel.
AG
It's
really
a
function
of
site
size
as
to
why
we
didn't
really
strongly
consider
housing.
You
would
have
to
go
up
and
probably
get
into
a
concrete
type
of
structure
that
goes
pretty
tall
in
order
to
really
try
to
gain
the
efficiency,
and
at
that
point
it's
a
consideration
of
you
know
what
are
the
rent
levels
that
you
could
really
generate
here
and
does
that
justify
concrete
construction?
Probably
not
so
we
we
did
consider
housing,
but
it's
really.
J
More
question
then
I'll
stop
growing
in
the
or
have
there
been
discussions
with
the
neighborhood
on
going
higher
with
it.
You
know,
I
mean
the
so
there's
a
pretty
large
building,
which
you
guys
build
next
door,
and
there
are
quite
tall
grain
silos
immediately
across
the
street.
So
you
know
we.
This
site
is
a
thirty
six
thousand
square
foot
site
with
a
bunch
of
constraints.
This
Thursday
we're
seeing
a
14,000
foot
site
with
a
40-story
application
right,
so
you
can
never
go
up
on
like
small
sites
and
yeah.
AG
F
AG
What
we
discussed
with
the
neighborhood
was
was
the
tutorial
and
they
were,
you
know,
generally
pretty
supportive.
You
know
they
had
some
comments
on
the
building
design
and
definitely
wanted
to
make
sure
this
was
pedestrian
friendly,
but
we
didn't
we
didn't
get
into
discussing
housing
or
anything
taller
earlier
than
two
storeys.
Thank.
J
S
AG
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AC
AG
I
AC
AG
S
AG
W
AF
AF
W
W
AF
W
W
AF
W
D
J
J
J
You
know
this
is
a
key
corner
along
one
of
the
major
corridors
in
in
our
city
and
it's
a
real
big
weight
corridor
and
we
talked
a
lot
about
holding
the
corners
in
this
commission
and-
and
this
seems
like
a
tiny
building
next
to
a
very
large
set
of
buildings
on
a
very
wide
road
and
I.
You
know
just
from
discussing
it
sounds
like
we
could
do
more
exploration,
that
there
could
be
more
exploration
of
greater
intensity
on
this
on
this
site.
J
R
Yeah
I
would
echo
what
a
Commissioner
Rockwell
said
and
and
just
sort
of
add
that
you
know
absolutely
I
think
you
could
probably
make
a
larger
building
pencil
here
even
with
concrete
construction.
There's
plenty
of
policy,
specifically
land
use
policy,
1.1
and
1.13
that
refers
to
sort
of
highest
and
best
use,
especially
in
transit,
ation
areas
and
activity.
Centers
like
this
and
so
I
will
be
supporting
Commissioner
Rockwell's
Ocean.
A
AC
One
more
thing:
seven
years
ago,
was
a
long
time
ago,
we've
since
asked
parking
regulation
that
requires
less
parking
in
transit
areas,
and
this
is
one
of
what
27
metro
stops
in
the
Twin
Cities.
These
are
things
that
don't
come
by
easily
and
it's
directly
across
the
street
from
from
it
I
just
think.
With
this
much
of
an
f.y.I
reduction,
it's
really
hard
for
me
to
support
that
much
of
reduction.
J
A
F
S
I
A
J
J
Yeah,
the
you
know,
I,
just
don't
I,
don't
think
that
there's
any
practical
difficulty
on
wrapping
the
building
all
the
way
to
the
easement
line
and
in
a
rethought
project
which
this
will
have
to
be
the
applicant
has
the
ability
to
think
about
placing
parking
under
the
building
itself.
And
you
know
we
see
a
lot
of
buildings
that
are
able
to
fully
fill
up
that
that
public
right
away,
frontage
and
accommodate
lots
of
parking.
O
A
A
A
Right
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
deny
item
ie
the
site
plan
review,
as
the
variance
is
needed
for
that
site.
Plan
review
were
also
denied
any
further
discussion.
I
might
just
clarify
on
on
those
variances
just
so
we
have
have
made
our
fine
findings
as
it
relates
to
practical
difficulties.
We
found
that
the
size
and
and
shape
of
the
site
are
such
that
they
could
accommodate
a
larger,
more
dense
building
in
terms
of
using
the
property
in
a
reasonable
manner.
A
That
is
in
keeping
with
the
intent
of
the
Comprehensive
Plan,
since
this
site
is
in
a
transit
station
area
in
close
proximity
to
a
transit
station.
That
plan
assumes
for
some
relatively
high
density
development
in
this
area,
and
the
proposal
is
is
for
a
project
with
though
lor
FA
are,
and
as
it
relates
to
the
character
of
of
the
area
and
enjoyment
of
others.
Think
commissioner
Rockwell
feel
free
to
add
anything.
A
O
A
That
motion
carries.
That
concludes
our
discussion
on
item
11.
Our
next
item
for
discussion
is
item.
13
625
4th,
Avenue
South
staff
is
mr.
Hanna
or-
and
we
saw
this
at
committee
of
the
whole
not
too
long
ago,
I
understand
there
are
some
outstanding
issues
related
to
one
of
the
conditions.
So
perhaps
you
could
highlight.
AF
For
the
private
development
project,
the
applicant
would
like
to
talk
about
condition:
number
nine
for
the
site
plan
review
and
then
it's
to
comply
with
section,
five
3150
and
urban
design
policy.
Ten
point
two:
the
applicant
shall
eliminate
the
Fifth
Avenue
vehicle
access
point
and
install
activex
uses
in
its
place.
AF
AF
We
found
that
that
access
point
on
Fifth
Avenue
was
an
important
condition
of
approval
for
those
two
for
the
policy
and
the
zoning
code.
Sections
I
just
mentioned
5:30
150
you're.
Looking
to
we're
looking
to
reduce
the
number
of
access
points
or
curb
cuts,
there's
currently
two
with
the
proposal.
There
would
be
three
and
then
just
the
policies
and
implementation
steps
in
in
the
urban
design
chapter
once
again,
protecting
the
pedestrian
and
helping
create
a
greater
vibrant
pedestrian
realm
that
is
safe
and
inviting
for
them.
AF
So
we
recognize
that
there
would
be
inconveniences
with
for
vehicle,
so
I
can
given
that
traffic
on
7th
Street
would
be
going
westbound
and
you
enter
here.
Sixth
Street
vehicles
will
be
exiting
here
and
likely
for
those.
The
access
point
would
be
for
those
traveling
northbound
on
Fifth,
Avenue
and
being
able
to
enter
the
site
here.
It
is
like
we
have
that
out.
AF
AF
So
the
project
just
required
10
amenity
points,
and
that
was
just
to
establish
the
planning
of
development.
The
applicant
has
provided
a
proposal
that
that
that
they
thought
would
meet
14
points.
Eight
of
the
points
would
be
ones
that
would
be
applied
by
the
applicant,
not
ones
that
are
within
chapter
5.
25
27
of
the
zoning
code,
so
active
liner
and
car
charging
stations
are
the
ones
that
were
proposed
by
the
applicant
to
those
that
were
more
straightforward,
that
are
outlined
in
chapter
5.
AF
AF
We
did
see
them
meeting
the
intent
by
wrapping
95
percent
of
the
facade
and
the
improvements
that
we
saw
along
the
way.
So
we
were
supportive
of
giving
5
points
and
the
last
one
is
a
car
charging
station
where
the
applicant
for
electrical
vehicles
and
I
believe
in
the
application
said
that
they
were
dividing
ten
spots
for
electrical
vehicle
charging,
and
we
were
supportive
of
giving
three
points
for
that
amenity
right.
Thank
you.
So
in
total
they
have
they've
applied
for
14.
We
saw
the
project
receiving
13
points.
U
S
AH
Hi,
my
name
is
Kirsten
sprek
and
I'm
with
raiven
financial
and
our
corporate
headquarters
is
located
at
65
4th
Avenue
south.
Along
with
me,
we
have
a
team
here,
art
from
ASG
architects.
We've
got
folks
from
six
to
five
developments
and
we've
got
representatives
from
Hennepin
County
we're
happy
to
see
this
mixed
use
program.
Moving
forward
and
progressing.
AH
We've
made
substantial
improvements
to
the
plan
thanks
to
inputs
from
City,
Planning
staff,
Hennepin,
County
and
thrive,
and
this
as
a
reminder.
This
is
one
of
a
number
of
surface
parking
lots
that
thrive
in
tones,
and
this
is
the
first
approval
that
allows
us
to
move
forward
with
the
development
of
those
remaining
parking
lots
one.
We
hope
to
be
the
site
of
our
new
corporate
headquarters,
building
which
we're
already
making
progress
on.
So
the
item
that
we
want
to
discuss
is
item
9,
the
entrance
off
of
5th
Avenue.
AH
We
have
given
a
lot
of
thought
to
pedestrian
vehicle
and
transit
conflicts.
We've
met
with
the
Public
Works
staff,
we've
met
with
met,
Metro
Transit's
and
we've
really
studied
the
idea
of
getting
those
traffic
stacking
conflicts
off
the
streets
as
quickly
as
possible
and
let
the
stacking
and
any
other
maneuvering
off
of
the
street
and
onto
the
site.
AH
AI
Commission
again,
it's
been
great
where,
where
they
are
in
addition
and
staff
as
one
of
neighborhoods
since
the
cow
submittals
and
earlier
submittals,
the
the
project
has
been
revised
to
address
this
issue.
To
some
degree,
the
entrance
ingress
only
for
vehicles
off
of
50
used
to
be
much
closer
to
the
to
the
north.
I
AI
According
to
our
traffic
engineers
onto
that
South
Side,
the
difference
is
that
there
is
a
lot
more
pedestrian
traffic
heading
east
west,
on
both
seventh
and
six
from
the
bus
stops
and
just
traffic
maneuvering
pedestrians
into
town
in
and
out
of
downtown
relatively
east-west
versus
north-south.
So
what
it
comes
to
is
that
on
the
numbers
at
that
morning,
peak
hour,
there's
only
about
18
pedestrians
on
that
Fifth
Avenue,
walking
versus
about
62
coming
in
the
other
direction.
AI
So
by
splitting
the
entrance
into
two
we're
actually
bringing
a
lot
of
the
cars
roughly
half
of
the
cars
crossing
roughly
a
third
of
the
number
of
pedestrians,
so
on
the
count
of
the
goal
of
minimizing
pedestrian,
vehicular
conflicts
or
engineering,
says
that
separating
those
two
into
two
separate
aggresses
accomplishes
that
better
again
that
so
the
elimination
of
the
Fifth
Avenue
entrance
would
put
more
vehicles
with
pedestrians
on
7th.
You
can
see
the
other
issues
that
we
anticipate
could
be.
Issues
have
interviewed
with
Paul
Miller
and
through
the
PDR
process.
AI
I,
don't
believe
the
traffic
or
sidewalks
or
streets
departments
had
any
issues
with
the
entrances
proposed.
It's
similar
to
a
lot
of
other
entrances
in
downtown
from
the
vehicle
access
only
into
parking
facilities,
and
then
the
other
issue
is
that
the
north
entrance
is
also
serving
the
loading
docks
for
the
existing
six
to
five
building
and
that
certainly
during
am
peak
periods,
will
have
some
trucks
maneuvering.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
access
points
to
get
people
off
of
the
street
in
a
safe
way,
not
conflicting
with
pedestrians.
AI
The
other
issue
that
I
believe
is
brought
up
in
terms
of
reasoning,
to
have
a
condition
to
commit
the
fifth
avenue
in
graphs
was
design
policy.
Ten
point
two
which
talks
to
active
uses
on
the
ground
floor
really
activating
the
street
with
entries,
windows,
etc
and
I
believe
we
are
accommodating
all
of
those
items.
There's
roughly
95
percent
of
the
seats
beside
it
will
be
active
windows.
There
are
10
building
entrances
on
that
facade
frontage
within
330
feet,
15
total
entrances
on
the
ground
floor
throughout.
AI
We
have
an
awning
at
the
northeast
corner.
That's
intended
to
serve
as
some
bus
waiting
area.
There's
a
large
peak
of
PM
traffic
bus
waiting
there.
So
we
set
back
the
first
floor.
Nine
foot
nine
on
this
corner
to
allow
some
overhang
of
the
building
above
protecting
us
waiters,
transit
leaders
at
that
stop,
and
we
also
have
a
bus
stop
at
the
South
one
of
the
things
that
had
been
mentioned
and
as
I
would
call
it.
An
additional
factor
is,
as
cars
come
in
from
35w
heading
north
dumping
into
downtown.
AI
This
traffic
is
about
60
thousand
vehicles
per
day.
Up
to
this
point,
a
lot
of
that
traffic
dumps
off
1/7.
This
is
also
where
the
vehicles
come
in
from
94
highway
94
into
downtown,
and
the
the
note
is
that
if
the
5th
Avenue
entrances
eliminated,
cars
coming
from
35w
would
be
turning
left
crossing
three
to
four
lanes
of
traffic
and
crossing
into
the
building
to
the
south
directly
in
front
of
work.
Bus
MTC
would
like
to
keep
their
bus
stop
so
we're
a
little
concerned
with
that
amount
of
traffic.
AI
Turning
the
corner
at
the
speeds
of
coming
off
a
freeway
and
then
having
to
make
a
right
turn
in
kind
of
blindsided,
a
bus
that
we
have
again
enhanced.
Vehicular
pedestrian
conflicts
that
we'd
liked.
It
basically
cut
in
half
by
having
the
entrance
off
of
50
in
only
for
northbound
traffic
and
really
take
it
to
a
visible.
D
AI
The
other
design
policy
issues
we
have
widen
the
public
realm
on
all
sets
of
the
building,
stepping
the
first
floor
back
in
to
provide
more
visibility
and
more
pedestrian
around
brighter,
broader
sidewalks
and
access
there,
with
the
building
above
cantilever
for
protection
and
going
down
the
design
policy.
Ten
point
two
items:
the
entrance
is
just
south,
the
mid
block,
but
again
has
moved
since
the
cow
and
and
diem
in
a
neighborhood
input
when
generation
shadowing
isn't
really
an
issue
and
at
a
what
adequate
sidewalk
space
was
the
last
item
in
his
eye
policy.
J
AI
AI
AH
A
AC
A
question-
maybe
this
is
for
Aaron
about
what
my
Metro
Transit
said
about
that
occurred,
bus,
stop
that
you
referenced
or
moving
it
slightly
towards
the
core
60
feet,
because
it's
all
curb
line
parking
off-peak
which
could
accommodate
a
bus.
Stop
I'm
curious
about
what
they
said.
I'm
sorry
I
didn't
quite
hear.
That's
like
a
part
hears
about
what
Metro
Transit
said
about
moving
their
bus,
stop
to
the
east
or
not.
They.
AI
AI
I
AC
AC
S
U
AI
G
A
A
A
R
AI
After
our
PDR
meeting
and
indicated
to
us
that
they
had
federal
funding
for
the
Southside
six
Street,
that's
the
seventh
street
corner.
So
we
were
showing
that
geometry.
When
we
submitted
for
PR
would
be
PDR,
we
will
be
showing
it
on
both
corners,
because
their
intention
is
that
the
sixth
Street
would
be
funded
the
next
year
and
we
would
work
out
making
sure
that
the
geometry
matches
their
current.
Their
proposed
pop-ups
great.
A
U
G
A
AC
I
just
wanted
to
speak
to
the
ninth
condition
for
a
second
and
the
project
offer
awesome.
You
know,
I
know
a
lot
of
people
wanted
more
height
on
this
block.
I
think
we
had
a
great
conversation
communi
the
whole
about
what
the
plan
is
for
not
only
this
block
but
the
block
to
the
east.
It
got
me
very
comfortable
at
this
project
and
I
think
this
project
is
very
urban.
AC
It's
very
friendly
to
the
pedestrian
there's
a
lot
going
on
in
this
block,
so
I
I
think
the
project
team
and
the
applicant
for
really
trying
to
do
the
best
you
can
with
with
a
site
with
with
all
the
urban
conditions.
I.
Do,
however,
think
that
the
script
on
fifth
is
really
just
for
the
auto
and
I.
Don't
think
it's
needed.
AC
AC
Just
don't
see
that
as
a
needed
element
of
the
project,
you
know,
there's
there's
the
building
to
the
south
of
the
site.
Center
Village
is
designed
in
1982
that
was
25
years
ago.
Has
these
sort
of
auto
on
ramps
I
like
to
call
them
there
they're,
really
not
pedestrian
friendly?
Even
the
way,
this
curb
cut
that
you
propose
is
designed
it's
it's
buys
to
the
auto
and
it's
trying
to
get
cars
into
the
site
as
quickly
as
possible
and
I
agree
with
the
way
staff
has
characterized
it.
In
that
condition.
AC
Number
nine
and,
and
just
one
more
point,
look
at
the
project
for
building
like
the
idea
Center
the
full
block,
building
it's
in
the
downtown
core.
It
has
one
access
point:
this
projects,
a
quarter,
sorry,
a
half
of
a
block
in
its
proposed
to
have
three
access
points.
I,
think
this
project
works
just
fine
with
two
and
that's
why
I.
AC
J
I
just
want
to
add
to
that
briefly.
In
the
end,
then
one
more
you
know,
I
also
think
as
this
project
or
as
subsequent
phases
of
this
vision
unfold,
we're
gonna
see
a
lot
more
foot
traffic
on
Fifth
Avenue,
so
I
recognize
that
we've
got
a
higher
foot
traffic
on
seventh
Street
right
now,
for
example,
but
you
know
for
building
three
buildings
across
the
street
and
and
another
building
on
the
quarter
block.
J
There's
gonna
be
a
lot
more
pedestrian
traffic
on
fifth
yeah
I'd,
also
like
to
speak
just
briefly
to
the
PUD
points
and
add
a
note
of
it.
Try
to
encourage
you
to
do
something
but
not
require
you
so
I,
you
know,
I
would
encourage
you
to
put
significantly
more
electrical
vehicle
charging
stations
in
you
know
there
are.
J
You
know
I've
learned
that
even
if
Minneapolis
sees
a
a
65%
electrical
vehicle
share,
electric
vehicle
share
in
the
city
by
2050
we'll
still
have
to
reduce
our
trips
by
35%.
If
we
want
to
hit
our
own
climate
goals,
which
is
crazy,
so
we're
having
a
lot
of
parking
here
and
I,
think
that
considering
where
the
city
needs
to
go
really
encouraging
electric
vehicle
parking
not
necessarily
exclusively
for
electric
vehicles,
other
cars
can
park
there
in
the
short
term,
but
making
sure
that
that's
an
option.
Long
term
is
right
for
the
city.
R
I'll
also
add
a
thank
staff
weekend.
I
think
this
originally,
when
I
first
saw
that
a
neighborhood
group
meeting
I
think
had
40
some
units
so
for
you
know
over
double
that.
But
I
would
still
like
to
point
out
that
I
I'm
going
to
vote
for
it
obviously
meets
all
of
our
requirements.
But
this
isn't
really
a
great
use
of
a
half
block
downtown.
And
you
know
we
just
had
a
discussion
with
the
previous
item
about
being
in
a
transit
station
area.
R
But
it
still
does
feel
kind
of
weird
to
walk
around
in,
because
there's
not
really
a
lot
of
I'm,
not
really
building
it
out
at
high
enough
of
a
density.
The
way
that
we
did
in
downtown
was
to
really
make
it
feel
like
a
good
urban
place,
there's
not
a
lot
of
stuff
on
the
street.
It's
still,
you
know,
there's
not
a
lot
of
active
uses
got
two
restaurants
and
the
Wells
Fargo
office
development
and
one
of
them
is
still
empty.
R
I
A
I
I
O
A
A
AJ
AJ
Stripping
about
public
financing
and
clearly
that's
back
in
the
language.
So
there
is
a
problem
about
the
report
that
came
out
of
Limbs
there's
other
deficiencies
on
it:
I'm
not
sure
what
happened
with
that.
I
know
that
I'm
worked
with
the
clerk's
office
and
a
couple
of
versions
came
back
and
some
things
were
missing
and
we
thought
it
got
straightened
out,
so
we're
all
kind
of
struggling
with
the
limb
systems,
but
just
for
the
record.
None
of
this
was
Lisa's
fault.
D
AJ
With
that
I'd
be
I'd,
be
happy
to
kind
of
walk
through
some
things.
The
math
is
a
key
piece
of
this
again.
As
we
know,
this
will
move
forward
to
the
City
Council.
So
last
time
I
was
before
you.
We
had
a
discussion
about
a
desire
to
opening
up
some
some
different
areas
for
probably
walk,
primarily
wall
signs
in
downtown.
We
talked
about
Washington
Avenue
being
one
of
the
sites.
AJ
AJ
So
there's
not
the
typical
thousand
foot
spacing
or
the
spacing
that
can
be
purchased
down
and
I
guess
the
other
notion
on
it
is
that-
and
we
have
the
industry
here
to
speak
to
this-
is
that,
notwithstanding
some
of
the
improvements
in
the
public
realm
of
Washington
Avenue,
it
is
seeing
that
there
are
a
number
of
blank
walls
there
and
some
folks
up.
Some
like
mine,
think
that
this
would
be.
These
are
walls
that
would
lend
themselves
to
advertising
signs.
AJ
Clever
advertising
graphics,
to
enliven
it
some
similarly
unhappen
Hennepin
Avenue,
which
does
have
quite
a
few
theaters
on
it
in
other
active
uses
that
allowing
more
kind
of
interesting
signage
they're
mostly
wanted
on
walls,
because
it's
not
a
lot
of
opportunities,
do
freestanding
signs
or
even
that
many
roof
signs
along.
There
would
be
a
positive
thing.
AJ
We
did
obviously
keep
in
the
removal
of
the
prohibition
on
government
financing.
A
science
I
think
we
talked
about
that.
That
opens
the
way
in
the
future,
for
maybe
some
creative
partnerships
to
bring
some
some
improvements
to
the
public
realm
in
cooperation
with
maybe
the
county,
and
maybe
others
that's
still
in
there.
That
was
seen
that
was
a
time
positively
by
the
zoning
and
planning
committee,
but
from
staffs
vantage
point,
the
really
key
tenants
to
our
billboard
regulations
for
some
years
has
been
the
cap
and
replace
program.
It
was
an
extremely
is
a
successful
program.
AJ
I
AJ
Forged
in
conjunction
and
working
with
the
industry,
it
did,
it
was
primarily
a
result
of
action
forced
by
lawsuits
regarding
our
billboard
ordinances,
and
so
the
current.
The
current
billboard
puzzles
in
front
of
you
really
don't
work
well
within
that
mechanism,
because
you're
not
actually
removing
science
to
gain
additional
signs.
Staff
did
not
feel
that
that
Washington
Avenue,
really
it's
more
of
a
thorough
further
than
really
an
entertainment
district
per
se.
I
think
it
was
the
same
concerns
we
had
heard
before
about
that.
AJ
There
has
been
quite
a
bit
of
public
dollars
leveraged
to
create
Washington
Avenue
into
more
about
the
pedestrian
friendly
and
bike
friendly.
That
being
said,
there
are
a
number
of
blank
walls.
One
of
the
applicants
can
speak
to
one
building
in
particular,
which
seems
like
it
would.
It
would
be
enlivened
by
having
some
signage
on
it,
but
from
staffs
point
of
view
that
really
doesn't
fit
in
to
the
the
way
the
rest
of
the
regulatory
framework
works.
AJ
Hennepin
Avenue
is
a
little
tougher
call.
You
can
make
an
argument
now
with
the
theater
district
there
and
and
some
of
the
other
things.
That
really
is
more
of
an
entertainment
district,
and
it
was
some
years
ago
it's
been
prosperous,
I'm,
not
sure
that
it
would
be
deterred
by
more
signs
the
mail
square
former
blocky,
now
that
it
has
more
science
on
it,
probably
does
look
better
than
when
it
was
when
it
was
blocky
and
undersigned
on
there.
AJ
Higher
value
science
are
animated,
but
at
this
time
we
were
really
going
forward,
no
recommendation
on
those
two
other
sides.
We
still
want
to
recommend
removal
of
the
removal
of
public
financing,
which
this
body
endorsed
last
time
as
well,
so
really
I'm
open
to
questions,
but
that's
going
to
just
it.
My
apologies
on
the
staff
report.
There
was
one
minor
type,
I
think
went
just
from
science
to
sings,
but
the
other
parts
there
were
just
efficiencies.
The
particularly
can
most
confusing
part
I
think
mr.
AJ
AJ
A
AE
Will
take
a
crack
at
it
first
Thank
You,
mr.
chair
and
commissioners,
my
name
is
Steve,
Boynton
and
I'm
here
this
evening
on
behalf
of
Blue
Ox
Media
Group,
one
of
the
industry.
Folks,
we
are
a
new
company
locally
based
we're
here
this
evening
to
voice
our
support
for
the
ordinance
amendment
language
as
contained
and
staffs
report.
They
have,
with
the
exception
of
the
clarification
of
the
description
around
us,
Bank
Stadium,
they've,
accurately
described
I.
AE
Mr.
Portman
working
on
this
with
us
and
with
other
industry
folks
for
a
number
of
months
now,
we
do,
however,
want
to
offer
also
some
additional
language
which
I
think
helps
clarify
what
I
believe
is
staffs
position
relating
to
the
use
of
credits
and
in
order
out
of
respect
I
guess
for
the
Commission's
time
and
the
lateness
of
the
hour,
I've
tried
to
condense.
AE
What
might
otherwise
be
some
lengthy
comments
into
a
one-page
memorandum
that
I
submitted
to
the
clerk
that
one-page
memorandum
also
has
attached
to
it,
the
very
specific
language
that
we
would
propose
to
add
to
staff's
existing
language
and,
with
your
permission,
submission
mr.
chair
I
would
like
to
offer
that
as
part
of
the
public
record
here
this
evening,
yeah.
F
AE
As
long
as
that,
as
accepted
as
part
of
the
testimony
I
might
otherwise
thank
you
basically
outside
of
that
additional,
it's
fairly
limited
language.
It
is
just
one
paragraph
added
to
544
60
see
that
really
takes
care
of
the
issue
of
how
credits
are
utilized.
There
is
certainly
the
intent
of
the
sponsor
of
this
amendment
and
I.
Believe
mr.
floor
also
spoke
to
it
earlier
that
that's
the
intent
to
do
away
with
it
in
these
areas,
and
so,
unless
you
have
any
specific
questions,
I
would
I
would
stand
by.
I
X
I
X
Corner
I
also
own
the
abutting
building
on
4th
Street,
having
been
an
owner
of
a
property
since
2007
and
with
my
office
at
the
street
level.
I
see
everything
that
goes
on
in
that
neighborhood.
It
has
been
a
constant
issue
in
that
neighborhood
for
us
to
mitigate
crime
and
unfavorable
press.
An
excellent
solution
to
offsetting
debt
in
fairly
inexpensive
would
be
to
crease
the
illumination
along
1st
Avenue
north,
so
that
we
better
drop
the
crime
rate
and
the
police
can
spend
their
time
doing
much
more
productive
things.
X
We
feel
that
it
is
appropriate
to
ask
your
group
to
consider
extending
the
entertainment
district
overlay,
which
is
currently
up
around
the
Target
Center
and
Mail,
clinic
down
to
at
least
my
building,
whether
you
do
it
for
the
entire
1st
Avenue
north
or
just
my
building,
because
of
its
unique
location
in
the
downtown
area
and
it's
being,
as
I
mentioned,
a
gateway
with
over
35,000
cars
traveling
in
that
neighborhood
from
Monday
through
Friday
during
normal
business
hours.
This
is
a
an
excellent
opportunity
to
welcome
people
into
the
city
and
increase
the
lighting
decrease.
X
The
crime
rate
and
I
certainly
would
be
more
than
happy
to
make
sure
that
the
signage
there
illustrate
the
lovely
attributes
of
this
town.
So
I
ask
that
you
can
I
know
that
that
is
not
the
staffs
recommendation
at
this
point
and
I
wasn't
aware
that
this
was
the
results
of
the
staff
work
to
date,
but
I
seriously
ask
you
to
consider
fixing
multiple
problems
in
that
area
and
while
making
this
a
much
more
welcome
corner
to
pedestrians.
X
If
we
increase
the
lighting
level
by
25%
and
that
could
be
LEDs
plus
lampposts
bollards,
any
combination
of
lighting
I
guarantee
you,
the
crime
rate
over
there
will
be
diminished
substantially.
What's
more
people
that
are
trying
to
sell
their
buildings
in
that
neighborhood
are
getting
an
awful
lot
of
blowback,
because
the
crime
rate
in
that
area
is
extensive.
Once
the
wyman
property
enhanced
this
building
by
putting
illumination
on
it,
it
was
an
entirely
new
neighborhood.
X
X
We
utilize
that
space
to
enliven
the
area,
because
it
is
an
entertainment,
district,
I
see
kids
in
their
jammies,
walking
to
the
stadium
with
their
baseball
mitts
all
summer
long
they
go
to
the
night
games
which
are
the
propensity
of
games,
and
this
is
a
First
Avenue
north
should
and
must
be
a
promenade
for
our
venues,
whether
they're
sports
entertainment,
the
five
mega
concerts
we
see
or
the
outdoor
events,
so
I
seriously.
Ask
you
to
consider
that
our
daytime
and
nighttime
economy
are
served
by
proper
illumination
I.
Q
AE
AE
That
is
just
a
blank
vacant
distressed
brick
wall
and
there's
another
one
of
those
on
the
Washington
lost
property
or
sawatya
I,
guess
you
would
think
of
it
more
commonly
as
a
very
large
exposed
brick
wall
with
lots
of
flaws
that
might
be
enhanced
by
that
sort
of
thing.
There's
some
other
smaller
notes
that
that
could
be
incorporated
as
well,
but
those
would
be
probably
the
large
ones
along
Washington.
Thank
you.
A
J
AJ
Commissioner
Rockwell,
the
intent
of
that
is
that
under
the
in
some
of
the
billboard
subsections
it
talks
about
a
minimum
lot
with
their
building
with,
and
what
this
is
saying
is,
if
you're
on
a
corner
again
because
there's
a
linear
number.
So
if
you
think
of
like
first
Avenue,
for
instance
as
to
frontages,
so
in
this
formula
you
get
the
both
the
benefit
of
both
frontages,
but
what
it's
also
saying:
there's
no
minimum
frontage.
AJ
J
AJ
Got
it
yeah
the
size
that
we
have
the
maximum
size
where
we
actually,
even
notwithstanding
that
it
talks
about
ten
times
the
frontage
we
tap
that
out
at
1750
yeah
just
but
if
I
made
seven
hundred
square
feet
is
imagine
a
large
freestanding
sign,
that's
six
hundred
and
seventy
two
square
feet.
If
you
add
an
extension
to
it
then
goes
large,
is
825
square
feet,
and
so
that's
essentially
double
that
so
I'm
trying
to
to
give
people
a
sense
of
how
large
that
is
so,
and
that,
of
course,
is
a
maximum
and.
J
AJ
They're
not
actually
just
painted
signs,
but
one
of
the
problems
in
the
ordinance
that
was
handed
out
is
it
supposed
to
be
wall
science.
We
had
to
delete
the
language
paint
it,
but
it's
coming
out,
like
it's
science,
they're,
really
wall
signs
some
may
be
painted.
Some
may
be
illuminated,
but
that's
that's
one
of
the
problems
relative.
J
AJ
A
F
U
Z
A
I
I
was
just
gonna
ask
in
addition
to
that.
Maybe
you
could
help
me
understand
or
for
off-premise
wall
signs
there
am
I
correct
that
there
aren't
really
any
other
limitations
on
that
the
type
or
construction
of
the
site,
so
that
could
include
things
like
illuminated
signs.
It
could
include
like
kind
of
an
old
billboard
that
has
you
know,
paper
or
plastic.
It
could
involve
vinyl
graphics.
It
could
be
a
variety
of
things.
That's
great,
although
this
suggests
that
can't
be
painted,
but
other
types
of
construction.
A
AC
AJ
J
I'd
like
to
float
a
thought
past,
my
commissioners,
you
know
just
because,
like
that,
I
did
not
pin
down
as
an
issue
and
I
worry.
What
else
is
in
here
that
I
won't
notice
as
an
issue.
I
am
inclined
to
us
that
this
return,
because
what
we
have
before
us
is
just
not
the
language
that
staff
intended
to
be
before
us
and
I
feel
profoundly
uncomfortable
voting
on
something
that
I
don't
know
what
it's
supposed
to
be.
A
Y
So
this
has
just
come
to
us,
so
much
I
feel
like
we
should
be
able
to
make
a
decision
on
this
and
there's
also
urgency
around
I
mean
I
know
it's
it's
not
our
business,
but
there
is
some.
You
know
Superbowl
thing
coming
here
and
so
I
think
there
was
some
decisions
that
people
wanted
made.
So
work
could
be
done,
which
was
one
of
the
reasons
I
mean
it's
right
now,
there's
a
monopoly
on
this
industry.
Y
You
may
or
may
not
like
that.
I
don't
like
that,
but
I
think
it
it
also.
Just
if
there's
not
there's
no
sense,
and
one
of
the
big
reasons
is
because
people
want
to
get
some
work
done.
They
can't
get
that
done
if
we
continue
to
continue
it.
So
is
there
a
way
since
we're
already
here
at
7:38,
we're
now
getting
paid
$17,
you
know
an
hour.
Is
there
just
the
way
we
can
just
move
this
forward?
Please.
A
And
I
might
just
ask
mister
poor
mr.
Wittenberg.
If,
if
we
were
to
recommend
that
or
contain
you,
this
item,
does
that
mean
that
the
City
Council
cannot
consider
it?
If
we
don't
act
on
it
or
you
know,
and
it
seems
that
in
the
case
of
a
zoning
code
amendment
we're
essentially
making
a
recommendation
to
the
City
Council
mister
poor
president.
AJ
If
I
may,
first
up
I'd
like
to
acknowledge
mr.
Commissioner
Rockwell's
concerns,
although
I'd
be
happy
to
sit
here
on
lighten
ants
or
whatever
question
I
can
and
again
I
apologize
for
that
I
do
think.
The
map
is
illustrative
of
the
areas
we're
talking
about
a
simple
way
to
think
about
it
is
that
we're
allowing
for,
as
president
Branagh
suggested,
different
types
of
advertising
signs
to
go
onto
walls.
AJ
I
mean
this
is
one
of
these
cases
where
there
is
more
latitude
and
what
types
of
signs
you
can
put
up
and
I
think
that
was
one
of
the
the
ideas
behind
it
is
that
you
weren't
wedded
to
these
these
strict
industry
sizes
of
science,
and
so
you
could
fit
science
into
the
walls,
but
as
to
the
legislative
question,
to
be
frank
about
it,
this
look.
This
came
back
in
short
order,
because
staff
was
told
that
this
council
wanted
to
act
on
it,
and
so
this
was
noticed
and
was
brought
back.
AJ
There
was
a
lot
of
intense
discussion
back
and
forth
about
that,
but
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
that
the
council
felt
that
they
wanted
to
have
a
vote
on
this,
whether
it's
because
of
the
the
large
circus
coming
to
town
soon
or
the
Super
Bowl
or
what-have-you.
So
I
I
would
just
tell
you
that
you
know
one
of
the
reasons
that
staff
worked
with
some
diligence
to
get
this
before
use,
because
the
policymakers
directed
us
to
do
so.
G
S
J
I
were
I
to
take
a
stab
at
what
I
would
have
voted
on
at
the
beginning
of
this
meeting.
It
would
have
been
to
approve
the
Washington
Avenue
painted
signs,
because
I
thought
such
that
we
were
voting
on
and
not
approve
the
not
vote
for
the
district
that
we
have
already
voted
down
on.
This
commission
and
I
recognize
that
there
are
people
on
the
City
Council.
They
want
to
see
this
come
through,
and
this
commission
has
already
voted
on
it
on
part
of
this,
and
it's
now
back
before
us.
J
Expanded
I
do
think
there
is
room
for
these
different
types
of
signs,
but
without
understanding
what
I'm
voting
on
I
cannot
in
good
conscience
vote
to
forward
this
because
I
don't
know
what
I
am
forwarding
and
so
I.
You
know,
I
get
it
I
get
that
this
is
politics,
and
this
is
the
council,
and
this
is
not
you
know-
certainly
not
staffs
fault.
J
But
but
this
just
seems
like
treating
the
Planning
Commission
like
a
rubber
stamp
for
the
City
Council,
and
we
are
a
charter
established
institution
for
a
reason
and
I
would
be
happy
to
see
the
parts
of
this
come
back
and
everybody
can
bring
parts
of
it
back.
It's
fine,
you
know,
but
I
just
think
I
mean
I,
really
don't
know
what
we're
voting
on
and
so
I
cannot
in
good
conscience
vote
for
anything
other
than
to
continue.
J
This
and
I
realize
that
that
creates
all
sorts
of
political
problems
and
I
realize
that
we
have
the
Super
Bowl
coming,
but
I,
also
hearken
back,
which
are
the
same
comments.
I
made
last
time
that
we
had
a
billboard
come
issue
that
this
Commission
talked
long
hard
about,
which
was
based
on
all
sorts
of
easements
and
leases,
which
last
way
way
way
beyond
one
day
and
so
to
make
a
decision
now
for
political
expediency
on
things
that
we
do
not
know.
I
am
a
comfortable
thing
so
and
I
move
once
again
to
continue
this.
A
Y
Not
being
quite
as
savvy
as
some
other
commissioners
as
I'm
here
for
schools,
mostly
but
I
thought
we
were
voting
to
approve
the
text,
amendment
to
enlarge
the
downtown
entertainment
billboard
district
and
remove
the
restrictions
of
city
financing
of
billboards.
There's
also
the
conversation
about
the
amendment.
Y
AJ
So,
president,
Brown,
what
what
I
would
suggest
is
this
as
well
I
mean.
Let
me
explain
this
in
what
what
is
before
you
today
is
two
things.
One
is
that
we're
going
to
delete
the
language
on
the
prohibition
on
public
financing
which
this
this
body
had
weighed
in
on
and
thought
that
was
to
move
forward
with
the
affirmative
that
was
agreed
to
it.
The
other
portions
of
the
ordinance
that
were
before
you
before
about
expanding,
where
you
can
put
in
billboards
downtown
with
a
dip
with
the
certain
set
of
rules,
is
back
for
it.
J
AJ
J
W
AJ
J
Z
J
AJ
Brown
may
I
suggest
if
Commission
Rockwell
has
a
concern
which
he
has
properly
identified.
The
pack
is
defective
on
the
public
financing
piece.
Simply
don't
act
on
that
and
you
could
act
on
the
other
portions
of
the
ordinance
which
again,
we've
talked
about
the
fact
that
the
depth
of
the
description
of
area
around
us,
Bank
Stadium,
is
flawed
and
that
it
wasn't
stricken.
But
clearly
we
know
where
we're
talking
about.
So,
if
you're
really
concerned
about
the
public
financing
piece,
you
can
simply
pull
it
off
and
I'm,
not
sure
that
that
we
know
it.
AJ
That
being
said,
I
want
to
come
back
to
the
original
question,
so
the
original
question
is:
what's
before
the
Commission
is:
do
we
strike
a
language
around
public
financing
and
does
the
Commission
want
to
have
an
opinion
recommendation
on
allowing
wall
signs,
illuminators
or
otherwise,
going
on
Washington
Avenue
strictly
on
the
south
side
and
expanding
the
Hennepin
Avenue
entertainment
district
down
to
Washington
Avenue,
which
again
on
both
excuse
me
Hennepin
Avenue,
on
both
sides,
which
would
allow
for
additional
signs
at
that
stretch
of
Hennepin,
Avenue
I?
Think
that's
the
simplest
way
to
think
about.
AJ
What's
before
you
and
then
with
one
exception,
is
that
we
are
also
expanding
around
us,
Bank
Stadium
going
west
to
blocks
and
across
the
six.
So
those-
and
that
is
really
this
very
similar
to
once
before
the
Commission.
The
first
time
is
well,
it's
just
gone
back
to
Portland.
It's
pushed
back
a
little
further
from
love
and.
Y
AJ
Y
R
I
question:
it
I
believe
there
was
recently
a
change
in
state
law
with
posting
ordinances
for
public
hearings.
So
if
we
were
to
continue
this
to
the
January
8th
meeting
in
theory,
you
know
so
it
goes
through
the
next
zmp
cycle.
I
mean
when
would
it
actually
get
approved
and
posted
in
finance
and
commerce
all
that
kind
of
stuff?
So.
AJ
In
consultation
with
the
city
clerk
and
the
city
attorney
prior
to
this
hearing,
if,
if
the
ordinate,
what's
before,
you
was
forwarded
in
any
fashion
the
language
we
downloaded
tomorrow,
it
is
expected
that
whatever
is
downloaded
tomorrow,
will
not
be
what
is
finally
approved
but
we'll
move
on.
But
the
placeholder
has
to
be
put
in
place.
So
unless
nothing
comes
out
of
here
or
if
it's
returned
or
postponed,
that
wouldn't
happen.
But
if
it
goes
forward
with
any
recommendation
or
no
recommendation,
the
language
will
be
sent
to
the
clerk
and
will
be
published.
AJ
The
city
attorney
doesn't
always
isn't.
The
city
attorney
doesn't
always
doesn't
feel
as
strongly
about
that
requirements.
The
city
clerk,
but
they
haven't.
They
haven't
opined
on
that.
So
that's
the
process
of
tomorrow,
assuming
something
to
thought
of
this
body
tonight
that
language
will
be
posted
and
then
it
and
it
does
not
have
to
be
the
final
language
that's
adopted,
but
it
has
to
be
posted
to
meet
the
intent
of
it
and
as
a
placeholder
and.
AJ
R
AJ
President
Brown
Commissioner
agree
no
there's
a
few
other
I
prefer
not
to
get
into
this
level
of
explanation
about
the
mechanics
of
city,
but
if
the
ordinance
is
not
acted
on
and
it
is
postponed
it,
it
will
likely
have
to
be
adopted
by
a
new
councilmember
moving
any
or
wors
omni
picks
it
up.
So
there's
a
procedural
thing
here,
that's
going
on
not
to
mention
we
don't
have
committee
assignments,
so
that
isn't
that
that
is
presumptuous
to
think
that
it
will
be
on
an
automatic
timetable
going
forward.
AJ
A
AJ
President
Braun
Commissioner
Sweezy,
we
increased
the
amount
of
notice
from
the
last
time
that
went
around
and
we've
had
very
little
response
to
be
candid
with
you,
I've
been
with
the
city
for
a
while
and
I
used
to
get
a
lot
of
calls
by
they'll
signs.
Every
time
one
would
change.
They
changed
the
name
of
one
of
the
flags
on
the
hotel
on
Nicollet
Mall,
and
they
would
get
a
call
I
get
calls
about
signs
in
the
adult,
entertainment
business.
AJ
Isn't
that
and
frankly,
we
don't
get
a
lot
about
a
lot
of
calls
about
signs
anymore,
I,
don't
know
if
that's
because
people
just
figure
you're
downtown
it's
color
light
and
energy
and
that's
what
it
is.
I
assure
you
the
day.
One
of
the
new
signs
go
up.
I'll
get
a
lot
of
calls
about
it,
but
we
have
not
had
calls
now.
I.
Just
generally,
don't
get
a
lot
of
calls
about
about
the
signs
anymore,
but
we
did
do
the
outreach.
Q
AJ
A
Y
Just
to
clarify
again,
we
need
to
push
this
board
even
with
no
recommendation,
as
opposed
to
delaying
it.
So
that's
one
concern
I
have
because
delaying
it
would
mean
it
goes
to
January
and
I.
Also,
don't
think
we're
gonna
have
a
lot
of
turnover.
January,
1st
and
I
feel
like
this
is
something
we've
been
looking
into
and
digging
into
and
I
think
it's
partly
our
responsibility
to
try
to
move
this
forward.
Y
A
A
AC
F
O
A
Right
so
that
that
motion
carries
this
will
be
continued
to
the
January
meeting.
That
concludes
our
discussion
on
item
14.
I
know:
we've
had
a
long
meeting
tonight.
I
did
want
to
mention,
though,
if
tonight
is
the
last
meeting
for
a
couple
of
our
commissioners.
Scott
Weiland,
who
is
just
wrapping
up
his
term
on
the
park
board,
has
been
our
rep
for
a
couple
years
now
and
there's
been
a
strong
voice
advocating
for
issues
related
to
development,
as
it
relates
to
parks
and
open
space
and
I've
always
appreciated
his
perspective.
A
So
we
wish
him
well
also
likely
Lisa
bender
his
last
meeting.
She
is
not
here,
but
she
too
has
been
a
huge
advocate
for
planning
issues
and
development
issues
in
Minneapolis
and
as
successful
successfully
implemented
a
lot
of
things
that
I
think
are
work,
and
hopefully
that
will
continue.
So
thanks
to
our
departing
commissioners
and
yeah
I,
don't
know
if
there's
anything,
anyone
else
would
like
to
add,
but
yeah.