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From YouTube: October 9, 2018 Transportation & Public Works Committee
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Minneapolis Transportation & Public Works Committee Meeting
A
Good
morning
to
order
it's
the
regular
schedule
of
the
transportation
Public
Works
Committee
this
day,
October
9
2018
I
will
be
chairing
the
committee
councilmember
Reich
and
I'm
joined
by
my
colleagues,
councilmember
Palmisano,
Johnson
and
Fletcher.
We
are
a
quorum
and
we'll
proceed
with
today's
agenda,
which
we
have
12
items,
including
public
hearings
and
discussion.
I
will
go
through
the
consent
items.
Anyone
can
pull
any
item
off
as
they
wish.
A
Starting
with
item
5,
which
is
the
temporary
easement
agreements
for
Cedar
Avenue
South
sanitary
reconstruction
project
item
6
is
the
contract
amendment
of
global
specialty
contractors
incorporated
for
the
North
town
bridge
interpretive
site
project
item.
7?
Is
the
contract
amendment
with
Hennepin
County
for
road
maintenance
item
8?
Is
the
8th,
Street,
South
Street
reconstruction
project
designation,
Kasavin,
said
in
the
public
hearing
that
public
hearing
is
set
for
November
27th
item
9?
Is
the
Northland
paving
Street
reconstruction
project
again
designating
cost
project
sight
and
hearing,
and
that
hearing
is
also
for
November
27th
2018
item
10?
A
Is
the
highway
turned
back
deed
for
state
of
Minnesota
for
land
adjacent
to
trunk,
highway,
55
and
item
11?
Is
the
sidewalk
construction
permit
ordinance?
Does
any
committee
member
wish
to
pull
any
item
I
see
none
I
move
all
consent
items
as
submitted
all
in
favor,
say
aye
I
sent
a
name
and
we've
been
joined
by
the
full
complement
of
our
committee
and
we'll
go
into
our
public
hearing
sections
starting
with
item
1
special
service
districts
are
9
4,
2,
8
8
districts.
Good
morning,
director
Hutchinson
morning.
B
Mr.
chair
members
of
the
committee
we've
for
public
hearings
today,
the
first
of
which
is
passing
a
resolution
to
approve
this
special
service
to
special
services,
cost
estimates
service
charges
for
a
number
of
special
service
districts,
as
listed
here,
I'll
introduce
Andrew
Carlsen,
who
has
additional
information
good
morning,
good.
C
Morning,
mr.
chair
council
members,
my
name
is
Andrew
Carlson
and
I'm
the
project
manager
for
special
service
districts.
As
you
may
recall
previously,
before
you,
we
had
our
428
8
districts
on
September
11th,
which
presented
their
2019
services
and
service
charges.
As
you
may
recall,
for
28
a
refers
to
the
Minnesota
statute
that
grants
municipalities
the
authority
to
establish
SSDs
by
ordinance
all
the
service
districts
before
you
today
are
r9
428,
a
special
service
districts
or
what
we
refer
to
as
legacy
districts,
which
essentially
predate
the
428
a
statute.
C
Well,
regardless
of
the
district's
origins,
all
special
service
districts
allow
property
owners
in
a
commercial
area
to
collectively
oppose
service
charges
on
themselves
each
year
to
create
a
pool
of
funds.
100%
of
these
funds
are
directed
back
into
the
district
in
the
form
of
enhanced
services
and
special
amenities.
These
enhanced
services
and
special
amenities
are
over
and
above
what
the
city
ordinarily
provides.
Each
special
service
district
is
guided
by
an
advisory
board
made,
which
is
composed
of
property
owners
or
their
representatives
within
the
district.
C
Each
advisory
board
recommends
the
services
service
frequencies,
estimated
budget
and
service
charge
methodology
for
their
district
special
service
districts.
Service
charges
are
paid
through
their
regular
property
tax
statements
issued
by
Hennepin
County.
The
funds
are
then
transferred
from
the
county
to
the
city,
which
uses
the
funds
for
cue.
The
services
described
in
the
annual
work
plan
and
budget,
the
city
of
Minneapolis
Department
of
Public
Works
or
the
district
management
entity
in
the
case
of
a
self
managed
district
implements
the
recommended
services,
most
often
through
a
competitive
bid
process
through
a
third-party
vendor.
C
C
So
today
we
have
before
you
the
Uptown
Dinkytown
Central
Avenue,
each
street
stadium,
village,
Linden
Hills,
Lowry,
Hill
and
40th
of
Chicago.
Special
service
districts
are
seeking
approval
of
their
2019
proposed
services
and
service
charges
for
a
combined
budget,
cost
estimate
of
1
million
360,000
dollars
in
private
investments
within
the
minneapolis
public
right-of-way.
So
back
in
June,
public
or
staff
worked
with
each
district
advisory
board
to
recommend
the
services,
prepare
estimated
budgets
and
review
their
assessment
methodologies
for
the
coming
year.
These
service
charges
would
be
collected
in
the
2019
real
estate
taxes.
C
C
Staff
therefore
recommends
the
following
passage
of
a
resolution:
approving
the
special
service
charges
and
the
budget
cost
estimates,
service
charges
and
list
of
services
and
directing
the
Department
of
Public
Works
to
proceed
with
the
work
that
ends
my
presentation
and
I'm
more
than
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Any.
A
D
Thank
You
Steven,
Chapman
Steven,
Scott
management,
I've
done
30
20
frames
and
you
South
I've
done
business
in
the
city
of
Minneapolis
for
50
years.
I
have
no
stranger
to
some
of
you
at
this.
At
this
hearing
we
have
a
building
on
2309
27,
Hennepin,
Avenue,
we've
owned
it
since
1948
we're
not
going
anywhere
with
it.
We
just
spent
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
improvements
this
last
year
to
that
particular
building,
while
I
support
the
service
district.
D
D
Fuelie
is
a
few
years
later
after
we
paid
for
the
trees
city
and
their
infinite
wisdom.
After
a
dispute
with
us
takes
the
trees
out
now,
I've
got
on
my
Boulevard,
where
I've
just
paid
approximately
four
thousand
dollars
to
the
service
district,
stumps
sticking
out
of
the
ground
and
they're
still
there
Service
District
installs
mulch
in
the
front
of
our
building,
where
I'm
paying
four
thousand
seven
hundred
and
some
dollars
in
taxes.
D
Mulch
disappears
later
on
service
district
installs
grass,
in
the
front
of
my
building,
where
I'm
paying
the
same
amount
of
money
grass
dies.
Grass
is
gone.
I
agreed
this
year
with
mr.
McLaughlin,
because
they're
doing
some
testing
after
they
put
in
a
for
a
impervious
system
out
there
that
went
the
heck
in
a
hand
basket
real
quickly.
D
So
this
is
the
one
time
in
all
the
years
I've
been
in
business
and
I've
been
down
here
many
times
that
I
am
opposing
a
fee
on
a
service
district.
Come
on.
You
don't
see
her
squawk
and
anymore
about
multiple
dwelling,
registration
fees
or
anything
else.
Even
though
we
don't
agree,
it's
ok
to
disagree
to
agree
or
agree
to
disagree,
but
this
has
got
to
be
put
off
until
we
get
some
resolve
over
here
and
I.
Don't
want
to
be
the
testing
ground
anymore
and
I.
D
A
D
A
C
Mr.
chair
council
members,
yes,
mr.
Jackman
covered
a
variety
of
territory
there,
some
related
to
the
service
district
other
issues.
Not
so
we'll
keep
our
comments.
Based
on
his
comments
for
the
service
district
piece.
Over
the
past
couple
years,
there
have
been
efforts
to
address
the
boulevard,
everything
from
sod
replacements
to
impervious
surface,
to
a
mixed
sense
of
results.
We're
not
going
to
give
up
we're
gonna
keep
trying
to
find
a
workable
solution.
That's
not
cost
prohibitive,
so
we'll
continue
to
work
with
mr.
C
Jackman,
as
well
as
the
other
ratepayers
in
the
district
to
find
a
workable
solution
that
is
affordable
to
the
tree
question
I.
You
know
multiple
players
involved
there.
Both
the
service
district
does
try
to
maintain
healthy
Boulevard
trees
through
the
use
of
gator
bags,
watering,
those
trees,
maintaining
them,
but
also
there's
a
role
be
played
by
the
park
board
as
well.
So
I
guess
I'll.
C
E
Good
morning,
council
members
I
would
only
add
that
we
had
been
Avenue
slated
for
reconstruction
in
just
a
couple
of
years.
The
service
district
has
done
a
little
bit
of
a
pivot
when
it
comes
to
large
capital
investments
we're
in
a
little
bit
of
a
when
it
comes
to
capital
investments
in
a
caretaking
mode.
So
that
was
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
didn't
pursue
some
of
the
capital
investment
this
year.
The
idea
should
we
replace
Church.
E
We
replace
all
this
when
we
know
it's
all
gonna
get
removed
as
part
of
the
reconstruction
project
building
face
to
building
phase
in
just
a
couple
of
years,
so
I
have
been
in
touch
personally
several
times
this
summer
with
Steve
and
certainly
will
continues
Dee.
Thank
you
for
coming
out
this
morning.
So
I
think
the
service
district
is
trying
to
figure
out
what's
the
right
strategy,
so
they're
not
investing
in
things
that
are
ultimately
going
to
be
removed
in
just
you
know
a
matter
of
30
or
40
months
so
and.
E
F
A
B
G
Morning
mr.
chair
councilmembers,
as
Robin
said,
I
am
Beverley
wonka
from
the
transportation,
engineering
and
Design
Group
here
presenting
for
the
public
hearing
for
the
4th
Street
southeast
lighting
district
18
ld1.
The
lighting
district
consists
of
non-standard
minneapolis
pedestrian
scale,
lighting
on
4th
Street
South
East
between
25th
Avenue
and
Malcolm
Avenue
southeast.
The
above
standard
cost
then
would
be
assessed
to
the
adjacent
properties.
G
The
total
above
standard
annual
and
operation
and
maintenance
cost
is
nine
thousand
five
hundred
and
six
dollars.
This
results
in
a
linear
front,
foot
cost
rate
of
two
dollars
and
fifty
four
cents
a
linear
foot.
This
project
is
part
of
the
tower
site:
innovation,
district
and
the
overall
plan
streetscapes
for
that
corridor,
as
we
just
did
the
reconstruction
along
that
corridor.
Last
year
today,
Public
Works
is
st-jean
City
Council
to
pass
the
resolution
ordering
the
work
to
proceed
and
adopt
these
special
assessments
and
I
will
stand
for
questions
if
there
are
any
any.
A
H
If
owners
and
tenants
are
going
to
pay
for
these
additional
upgrade
lighting
assessments,
we
need
to
be
more
informed
and
have
a
say
in
it
like
a
vote
on
it,
there's
only
a
handful
and
four
of
landowners
along
that
strip.
You
know
it's
not
hard
to
get
votes
on
there,
but
you
know
and
I
feel
that
there
needs
to
be.
You
know
a
belt
or
vote
to
emailed
out
to
all
the
landowners
that
for
him
to
have
a
vote
rather
than
I'm
just
getting
an
assessment
letter.
H
H
There
there's
nothing
fancy
about
forestry.
In
my
opinion,
they
they
took
out
a
special
order
for
street
when
they
drop
the
ball
in
not
removing
the
light
poles.
You
know
between
27
and
29.
There
there's
light
light
poles
along
the
streets
there
when
they
did
occur
because
it's
tough,
they
should
have
removed
those
and
buried
them
underground.
They
did
not
do
that.
They
left
it
for
future
landlords
or
tenants
on
the
future
of
landowners
developers
to
bury
the
light
poles
electrical
poles
themselves
and
there's
no
guarantee
in
that
they'll.
Do
that?
H
H
And
also
you
know,
with
the
with
the
LRT
light
rail
coming
through
there,
it's
been
a
lot
of
justments
in
our
business.
A
lot
of
tax
property
tax
increase
already
we've.
You
know
as
a
family-run
business,
we're
feeling
a
pinch
of
it
with
all
the
developments
around
their
property.
Taxes
have
increased
quite
a
bit
already.
H
It's
basically
you're,
basically
pushing
the
small
businesses
out
of
the
area
with
all
these
increases
in
property
tax
taxes
here
and
you
know,
we're
a
family
owned
business
and
we
watch
every
dollar
we
spend
I
feel
that
you
know
fourth,
Street
can
be
a
standard
lighting.
It's
fine!
If
you
want
to
put
more
money
in
a
buck,
I'll
put
it
on
University
Avenue,
where
it's
needed
more.
It's
been
neglected
on
University
Avenue.
H
A
H
A
Thank
you
for
raising
these
issues.
Anyone
else
sign
in
anyone
else
wish
to
come
forward
regarding
item
to
the
4th
Street
establishment
of
a
street
lighting
district.
Anyone
else
wish
to
come
forward,
seeing
none
I
will
close
the
public
hearing
and
I
think
some
significant
questions
have
been
raised
in
terms
of
outreach
to
get
the
you
know
documented
to
establish
such
a
thing
and
therefore
be
able
to
justify
the
additional
assessments.
Also,
the
U
of
M's
contribution
I
think
we're
some
key
points,
but
others
were
raised
as
well.
G
Mr.
chair,
thank
you.
A
couple
of
the
points
I
will
bring
up.
This
is
the
assessment
for
the
operation
and
maintenance
cost
only
the
U
of
M
has
been
approached
and
they
have
contributed
to
the
cost
of
the
capital
installation
that
public
hearing
was
back
in
February,
so
they
did
contribute
their
fair
share
and
discussion
is
underway
with
them
to
see
if
they
will
contribute
to
this,
the
maintenance
district
as
well.
G
G
G
I
J
J
Sorry
that
we
didn't
get
that
done
on
this
first
part,
but
I
also
know
there's
lots
of
businesses
that
are
very
supportive
of
this
and
they're
counting
on
it,
and
actually
this
modest
assessment
was
part
of
what's
going
to
allow
the
enhanced
lighting.
That's
already
been
invested
in
to
be
to
be
put
up
so
I'm.
J
Think
it's
going
to
be
a
great
amenity,
and
hopefully
a
big
boom
to
the
the
businesses
like
the
restaurants
in
the
area
that
I
think
are
gonna,
see
more
people
moving
in
more
development
in
the
area
and
more
customers
coming
in
and
shopping
and
buying
food
meeting
there.
That
should
enhance
the
business's.
I
You
mr.
chair
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
this
is
a
good
example
of
the
city
being
responsive
to
some
requests
that
we've
seen
being
made.
So
I
want
to
appreciate
that
and
and
really
shout
out
for,
the
students
who
organized
walking
tours
to
show
us
where
lighting
was
insufficient
around
the
university
area.
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
the
university
is
participating
in
the
capital
investment
part
of
this,
because
this
is
certainly
something
that's
serving
that
community.
But
do
just
want
to
note
that
I
was
invited
and
I
know.
I
They've
been
reaching
out
to
other
council
members
by
the
Minnesota,
Student,
Association
and
and
other
groups
to
walk
us
around
in
the
dark
and
show
us
where
there's
not
sufficient
pedestrian
lighting.
So
I
just
want
to
express
my
appreciation
and
make
sure
that
those
students
have
it
on
the
record
that
the
city
is
responding
to
the
request
that
they
came
in
made
of
the
City
Council
in
the
spring.
So
thank
you
for
that.
A
Any
other
comments
or
questions
thanks
for
that
context,
both
council
members,
that
does
provide
a
fuller
picture
and
thanks
for
the
work
for
staff
and
and
and
yeah,
hopefully
through
the
theory
that
the
enhancements
will
provide
more
foot
traffic
for
the
businesses
over
that
pans
out,
as
it
were
with
that
scene.
No
further
conversation
I
will
move.
The
item,
as
submitted
by
staff
item
number
two,
any
further
discussion,
seeing
none
all
in
favor,
say:
aye
I
sent
a
name
that
carries.
We
now
can
go
to
item
3
director
hutchinson.
B
B
We
are
at
this
point
where
the
support
is
recognized
and
high,
and
it's
through
many
many
many
months
of
great
work
out
in
the
community,
explaining
the
issues
in
building
support.
So
as
that,
as
the
backdrop
as
a
thank
you
to
the
staff,
this
work
so
harness
and
as
a
recognition
of
the
really
great
Star
Tribune
article
that
was
published
last
Sunday
that
showed
the
problem
that
we
are
trying
to
solve.
I'll
now
introduce
katrina,
kessler,
director
of
service,
water
and
sewer
good.
K
Morning,
chair
and
councilmembers,
I'm
happy
to
be
here
today
to
provide
background
on
the
proposed
amendments,
title
1,
title
2
and
title
19
together,
these
updates
consolidate
and
kind
of
modernize
our
sanitary
sewer
requirements
involving
rain
meter,
disconnect
provisions,
private
sewer,
lateral,
lateral
responsibilities
and
requirements,
billing
and
meters
provisions
and
most
notably,
establish
a
formal
program
to
mitigate
risks
and
costs
to
our
sanitary
system,
from
that's
oil
and
greases.
So
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions
on
any
of
the
proposed
changes.
K
So
fog
or
fats,
oil
and
grease
come
from
cooking
and
scraps
from
cooking
that
make
their
way
down
the
drain
and
just
like
consuming
greasy
foods
can
clog
human
arteries
these
over
time.
These
substances
will
build
up
in
pipes
and
restrict
flow,
and
ultimately,
when
that
happens,
the
worst
case
scenario
is
a
wastewater
backup.
So
this
manifests
itself
in
basements
of
buildings,
homes,
restaurants,
and
not
only
is
this
a
smelly
gross
mess,
it
represents
a
huge
cost
to
building
owners
and,
ultimately
to
those
who
are
impacted.
K
It
also
promotes
the
the
presence
of
rodents
in
our
environment
and
can
ultimately
restrict
the
flow
that
can
then
cause
wastewater
making
its
way
into
other
places
where
it
doesn't.
We
would
not
want
to
see
it
on
the
street
or
elsewhere
and
over
time
this
can
be
costly
not
only
to
property
owners
but
to
the
city.
K
This
is
played
out
by
the
first
bullet
on
here,
because
we
know
that
city
crews
visit
these
spots
a
limited
handful
of
locations
across
our
sanitary
system
5400
times
per
year,
and
this
is
less
than
1%
of
our
overall
system
and
we
track
the
money
and
the
resources
that
we
spend
on
this
activity.
Cleaning
the
sewers-
and
this
provides
a
disproportionate
benefit
to
people
who
may
not
be
doing
the
right
thing
and
it's
a
cost
then
to
everybody
else
in
the
city.
K
This
takes
away
from
other
important
activities
that
we
have
to
do
to
maintain
and
operate
our
aging
infrastructure.
We
have
900
miles
of
pipes
across
the
city
and
we
have
approximately
35
known
hotspots
so
again,
we're
there
at
least
every
two
weeks
and
these
locations
and
the
businesses
and
properties
that
are
there
know,
know
us,
because
they
see
the
big
blue
sewer
trucks
out
in
the
street
and
oftentimes
we're
having
conversations
with
people.
K
Because
if
we're
seeing
problems
in
the
city
infrastructure,
it's
likely
that
people
are
seeing
problems
in
their
private
infrastructure
that
connect
to
the
city's
infrastructure
as
well.
This
is
not
unique
to
downtown
or
any
one
area
of
the
city,
as
you
can
see
by
the
map.
The
there
are
five
hot
spots
in
each
ward
of
the
city
and
it
it's
a
problem
that
we
feel
is
again
taking
costs
and
resources
away
from
other
important
work
that
we
need
to
do
to
understand
the
condition
of
the
system
and
to
effectively
operate
it.
K
So
what
we're
proposing
is
to
formalize
the
education
and
outreach
that
we've
been
doing
now,
as
director
Hutchinson
said
for
over
about
18
months
now,
we've
put
together
materials
and
fact
sheets
and
attended
business
meetings
and
Expos
and
met
with
folks
to
make
clear
what
is
the
responsibility
of
the
property
owner
in
terms
of
private
lateral
maintenance.
What
is
the,
what
is
the
responsibility
of
the
city?
The
the
this
provision
of
the
proposed
ordinance
codifies
what
is
already
required
by
Minnesota
plumbing
code.
So
this
is
not
anything
new.
K
It
essentially
says
if
you
operate
a
food
establishment,
that
Purdue
is
a
greasy
waste.
You
have
to
follow
the
plumbing
code
and
in
order
to
do
that,
we
are
coordinating
closely
with
our
other
partners
in
the
city,
including
the
building
code
inspectors
in
the
environmental
health
inspectors,
as
well
as
our
communication
and
small
business
outreach
or
small
business
office
to
make
sure
that
we're
in
each
touch
point
reinforcing
the
same
messages.
K
So
this
is
a
example
of
one
of
the
posters
that
we
put
together.
This
was
done
with
communications,
it's
a
fact
sheet
for
kitchen
staff.
We
also
have
a
complimentary,
more
text-heavy
fact
sheet
for
managers.
We
have
had
this
translated
into
a
number
of
languages
and
again
this
is
something
that
we're
making
available
not
only
to
our
crews,
who
are
out
there
on
a
day-to-day
basis.
Communicating
and
contacting
with
the
the
customers,
but
also
our
partners
across
the
city,
another
one
that
I
have
for
each
of
you.
K
You
can
have
more
than
one
if
you
want.
We
have
these
stickers
that
say
grease
in
the
drains
and
we
put
these
up
now.
We
have
these
in
our
Public
Works
facilities,
and
this
can.
This
is
a
good
reminder
both
for
residents
and
for
businesses.
This
is
not
where
your
stuff
goes.
There's
other
ways
to
do
this,
so
I'll
give
one
it
to
each
of
you
and
we
can
provide
more
if,
if
there's
interest,
we've
also
been
promoting
this
through
as
much
as
possible.
K
Our
social
media
there's
a
plan
to
do
a
utility
billing
insert,
so
that
will
go
to
everybody
who
receives
a
hard
copy,
as
well
as
to
put
something
in
the
electronic
bill
before
the
end
of
the
year
and
here's
the
timeline
that
we've
been
following
again.
It
highlights
that
the
education
in
our
has
been
ongoing
and
the
bottom
pink
line
shows
that
that
will
continue.
That's
a
mainstay
of
the
ordinance.
K
It
says
that
we're
going
to
use
the
inspectors
that
we
have
the
plumbing
inspectors
to
start
regular
inspections
in
areas
where
we
know
we
have
problems
and
then
couple
that
with
development
of
mitigation
programs
and
ongoing
followup
with
those
customers
and
at
this
point,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
any
of
you
have
or
members
of
the
public.
Any.
A
A
Anyone
signed
in
for
that
portion
of
it
and
wish
to
come
forward,
see
none
I
will
close
the
hearing
on
item
three
and
for
the
discussion
from
the
committee,
seeing
none
all
in
favor
of
item
three
say:
aye
I
sent
a
name
and
then
moving
to
item
4
the
regulation
of
disposal
of
the
fog,
that's
oil
and
grease
ordinance.
Any
discussion
from
committee
members.
I
Thank
You
mr.
chair
I
just
wanted
to
add
my
thanks
to
the
staff
who
worked
on
this.
You
know.
None
of
us
ran
campaigns
on
fats,
oils
and
grease
and
talked
about
that
issue
much,
but
it's
obviously
one
of
the
things
that
helps
keep
our
city
running.
So,
thanks
for
your
diligence
and
for
putting
us
all
the
proposals
together,
I
appreciate
your
work.
L
You
mr.
chair
and
my
appreciation
is
well
to
staff
for
working
on
this
issue.
It's
obviously
an
important
topic,
and
it's
shocking
that
you
have
to
go
out
every
two
weeks
to
some
areas.
I
mean
it
just
goes
to
show
at
the
size
and
scope
of
the
issue,
but
we
appreciate
all
the
efforts
to
keep
the
system
running.
Thank.
A
A
A
L
A
Clerk,
it
will
coordinate
that
in
advance
next
time,
so
so
with
that
I
think
we
just
said:
I
had
five
six
eyes:
okay,
so
that
carries
so
with
that
we
concluded
our
items
that
were
public
hearings
and
can
go
into
the
discussion
and
that
will
begin
with
item
10d
highway,
no
item
12
the
only
discussion,
snowplowing
city,
sidewalks,
feasibility
and
I
believe
this
was
based
on
a
staff
direction.
Director
hutchinson,
mr.
B
Chair
members
of
the
committee
in
May
public
works,
presented
the
results
of
a
study
of
winter
maintenance
for
both
pedestrian
facilities
and
bicycling
facilities.
That
was
accompanied
by
an
internal,
more
in-depth
supplemental
analysis
that
we
provided
in
which
we
recommended
a
set
of
actions
for
this
season.
The
council,
the
committee,
the
transportation
Public
Works
Committee,
asked
for
some
additional
information
than
what
was
presented
in
that
that
pair
of
documents,
both
the
report
and
the
supplemental
regarding
specifically
cost
and
feasibility
of
the
city
taking
on
snow
clearing
on
Vox.
B
We
have
prepared
I
want
to
thank
Mike,
Kennedy
and
his
team.
This
has
been
quite
extensive
work
over
the
last
six
months
or
so
Lisa
cerny
heavily
involved
Jenny
Hager,
supporting
we
have
prepared
that
information
for
you
today
in
response
to
that
staff
direction
from
May.
So
with
that
I
will
ask
Mike
Kennedy
to
work
through
the
analysis
good
morning.
N
Mr.
chair
members
of
the
committee,
thank
you
director
Hutchison,
as
Robin
had
said,
at
the
May
15
2008
transportation,
Public
Works,
meeting
Public
Works
staff
received
a
staff
direction
which
read
in
part
to
prepare
feasibility
and
cost
estimates
for
snow
removal
from
city
sidewalks,
including
possible
tiers
of
implementation.
Today,
I'm
going
to
talk
about
that,
I'll
present
that
as
a
receive
and
file
report,
hopefully
give
you
some
information.
Maybe
you
haven't
heard
before
some
of
it
may
be
repetitive.
N
Talk
about
some
of
the
work
we've
done
to
try
to
understand
some
cost,
some
research
into
other
cities
and
hopefully
fill
in
some
gaps
in
give
you
some
good
information
to
move
forward
with,
because
this
is
about
sidewalks
I
thought
it
would
be
worth
looking
at
just
reviewing
our
current
sidewalk
snow
and
ice
control.
Ordinance,
I'm
gonna
beg
your
indulgence.
I
know
you
don't
know
how
to
read.
You
can
read
this,
but
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
read
it
kind
of
for
the
public
just
to
get
it
out
there.
N
N
That
is
a
one
or
two
family
dwelling
unit
shall
cause
the
snow
and
ice
to
be
removed
from
the
public
sidewalk
a
buddy
or
adjoining
the
lot
upon
which
such
building
is
situated
within
the
first
24
hours
after
the
ceasing
to
fall
of
any
snow
and
shall
cause
sand
to
be
sprinkled
on
the
sidewalk
or
the
snow
or
ice
upon
the
sidewalk
that
cannot
be
removed.
So
we
have
two
situations:
we
commonly
refer
to
the
residential
sidewalks
as
having
the
24
hour
standard
and
commercial
sidewalks
being
under
the
four-hour
standard.
N
So
that's
that's
where
we're
at
that's
where
we
need
to
work
with
in
general,
it's
pretty
much
recognized
that
the
property
owners
are
the
owners
of
the
sidewalks
and
they
are
charged
with
care
and
custody
of
those
sidewalks.
And
so
we
have
a
program
and
we're
big
enough.
We
have
a
sidewalk
department
and
we
also
we
look
at
the
summer
repair
of
the
sidewalks
and
then
also
the
winter
snow
and
ice
control,
and
we
because
those
sidewalks
are
in
the
public
right-of-way
and
are
an
important
part
of
our
transportation
network.
N
We
do
enforce
the
sidewalk
ordinances
so
today,
I'm
going
to
break
this
down
into
three
categories
of
consideration.
First,
I
want
to
talk
about
cost
estimates
we'll
get
that
out
right
in
front
of
us,
so
we
know
ahead,
know
kind
of
what
we're
talking
about.
That's
what
I'm
sure
that's
what
most
people
are
interested.
Secondly,
I
want
to
talk
about
the
level
of
service
expectations.
In
other
words,
what
do
you
get
for
that
cost?
What
do
you
get
for
the
money
and
then,
thirdly,
the
feasibility
of
our
being
able
to
do
something
like
this?
N
So
for
all
categories?
There
are
two
possible
tiers
of
implementation:
what
I've
called
supplemental,
plowing
service
or
continuous
plowing
service?
The
supplemental
plowing
service
is
a
service
that
we
would
do
based
upon
a
threshold
of
snow
accumulation.
We
wouldn't
do
it
all
the
time.
We
would
do
it
when
there's
a
certain
accumulation
of
snow
that
mimics
our
snow
emergency
regulations
and
it
also
mimics
what
Rochester
New
York
does,
which
is
a
city.
That's
often
referred
to
as
sort
of
the
model
of
sidewalk
snow
climb,
so
supplemental
service
is
defined.
N
It's
only
plowing
at
a
certain
snowfall
threshold,
for
these
estimates
for
in
snow
fall
has
chosen
to
parallel
our
typical
snow
emergency
threshold
special
as
well
as
our
corner
clearing
program.
We
also
clear
the
corners
on
that
4
inch
threshold.
This
also
paralyzed,
as
I
said,
parallels
the
Rochester
New
York
program.
There
are,
on
average,
three
to
four
snow
emergencies
per
season.
For
this
analysis,
Public
Works
assumes
that
there
may
be
one
other
time
that
a
call-out
might
be
desired
to
deal
with
success
of
smaller
accumulations.
N
Just
an
estimate,
continuous
service
I
couldn't
come
up
with
a
better
word
for
this.
I
didn't
want
to
call
it
full
service
because
it's
not
full
service,
but
it
and
we
picked
a
smaller
threshold,
which
is
almost
zero.
Continuous
service
is
defined
as
responded
to
any
snowfall
of
a
1/2
inch
or
more
over
the
last
10
seasons.
The
0.5
inch
threshold,
a
half
inch
threshold,
occurred
about
18
times
per
season
on
average.
So
that's
that's
not
much
snow
and
sometimes
you
get
a
half
inch
or
less
and
the
Sun
comes
out.
N
First,
talking
about
the
supplemental
plowing
to
meet
current
current
ordinance
timeframes,
at
least
for
the
24
hour
standard.
The
estimate
is
based
on
completing
plowing
in
one
12-hour
shift
may
take
less,
but
this
way
we
for
sure
would
be
getting
getting
done
in
that
12-hour
shift.
It's
estimated
that
it
would
require
about
120
plow
routes
or
roughly,
to
cover
roughly
1,800
miles
of
sidewalks,
meaning
about
a
hundred
and
twenty
plows
with
operators
plus
supervision.
N
So
the
number
of
deployments
would
be
about
four
to
five
times
per
season.
The
estimated
annual
cost,
which
does
not
really
include
ongoing
equipment,
recovery
and
replacement,
we
believe,
would
be
somewhere
in
the
neighborhood
of
four
point:
five
to
six
million
dollars
per
season,
the
initial
startup
cost
there
would
be
some
initial
startup
in
capital
cost
to
buy
all
the
plows
get
all
the
equipment
that
we
would
need
to
do.
That
would
be
about
another
four
point:
five
million
dollars.
J
N
F
J
N
Chair
councilmember
Gordon,
we
have
about
2,000
miles
of
sidewalks,
roughly
there's,
actually,
nineteen
hundred
and
sixty
this
is
based
upon
about
1,800
miles
of
those.
So
basically
most
of
the
sidewalks
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
later
about
why
some
might
not
be
included,
and
things
like
that.
But
basically
this
is
to
file
all
the
sidewalks
in
Minneapolis
we
get
about
50
inches
of
snow
per
season,
and
you
know
I've
talked
about
how
often
the
supplemental
calling
would
go
it
or
how
much
the
other
would
listen.
N
We
tried
to
go
at
this
in
a
number
of
different
ways.
One
of
the
ways
we
did
it
was
we
looked
at
our
cost
for
our
equipment
and
labor
and
try
to
figure
out
how
often
we
looked
at
how
many
routes,
how
many
plows
we
would
have
to
have
in
order
to
complete
it
within
that
12-hour
period
or
better.
You
know
just
calculate
it
out
the
cost.
Another
very
simple
way
that
we
looked
at
it.
N
We
also
kind
of
compared
that
to
some
other
cities
cost
that
we
that
we
have
there
that
were
talked
about
in
the
winter
maintenance
study
and
what
we've
looked
at,
but
another
very
simple
way
that
I
looked
at
it.
It
is.
We
have
a
cost
that
we
talk
to
you
about
plowing,
particular
bike
lanes,
budgetary
costs
or
trails,
the
costs
for
ploughing
trails.
That's
about
two
dollars
per
linear
foot.
N
N
It
really
adds
up
fast,
but
it
it
puts
us
a
kind
of
at
the
high
end
of
the
range
that
that
$2
foot
also
gets
a
little
bit
of
summer
cleaning
and
summer
sweeping
and
things
like
that,
and
it
gets
some
snow
and
ice
control,
some
ice
control,
which
we
wouldn't
be
doing
here,
but
it
still
puts
us
in
that
twenty
million
dollar
range
quite
a
bit:
a
million
ten
to
twenty
million
dollars.
So
it's
sort
of
brackets.
N
N
When
we
talk
and
as
I
said,
those
are
our
costs
based
upon
our
labor.
Our
equipment
costs
our
overheads
and
what
a
cost
to
do
this
work.
We
really
don't
know
what
we
would
get
if
we,
if
we
bid
this
out
and
it's
most
likely
that
we
would
need
to
do
that.
We
would
need
to
contract
most
or
all
of
this
out
in
order
to
provide
the
service
in
the
timeframe
that
we
need.
So
we
don't
know
what
we
get
from
from
the
contracting
community.
A
N
N
So
again,
just
to
summarize
note
that
these
estimates
are
based
on
city
costs
for
labor
and
equipment.
They
correspond
reasonably
with
comparative
cost
with
other
cities,
however,
bid
cost
from
the
private
sector
vendors
are
potentially
much
more
unpredictable,
predictable
and
volatile,
which
could
affect
these
estimates
significantly.
N
Is
to
talk
about
level
of
services
expectations?
What
do
you
get
for
this
cost
that
have
laid
out
for
you
for
these
two
two
programs?
It's
important
to
note
that
the
assumptions
included
in
the
Supplemental
plowing
in
the
Supplemental
plowing
scenario
include
the
deployment
of
plows.
Only
during
more
significant
snow
falls
or
on
average,
four
to
five
times
average
per
the
number,
the
average
25
events
in
a
season.
N
We
typically
get
about
25
percent
of
precipitation
events
in
a
given
season,
so
we're
all
gonna
go
out
four
or
five
of
those
times
all
other
times,
and
in
fact,
even
during
these
times,
the
property
owners
would
still
be
responsible
for
sidewalk
clearing.
When
the
plows
are
deployed,
they
would
just
make
a
single
pass
and
property
owners
would
be
responsible
to
clean
up
after
them.
Even
under
the
continuous
scenario.
N
Property
owners
in
many
case
would
still
be
responsible
for
cleanup,
widening
and
ice
clearing,
but
once
the
plows
go
by
clearing
of
compacted
snow
and
ice
would
be
required
after
events
of
less
than
five
inch
point,
five
inches
or
half
an
inch
as
well
as
reading
rain
events
and
periods
were
melt.
Water
refreezes
on
the
pavement.
Under
all
scenarios,
this
analysis
does
not
include
any
de-icing
or
sanding
services
and
then
remember
the
ordinance
the
when
it
gets
to
a
point
where
you
know:
we've
got
the
super
low
temperature.
N
N
So,
if
you
don't
believe
me
about
that,
let's
look
at
the
Rochester
New
York,
ordinance
and
I
won't
go
through
the
whole
thing
here.
Basically,
they
talk
about
the
owner
of
a
building
and
stuff.
They
talk
about
9:00
a.m.
to
8:00
p.m.
or
8:00
p.m.
tonight,
yeah,
depending
on
when
the
snow
falls,
but
here's
the
interesting
sentence
in
there.
This
is
in
their
ordinance
when
the
snow
is
removed
from
sidewalks
by
city
contractors
or
city
employees
using
plows.
N
It
shall
be
the
duty
of
the
owner
to
remove
the
snow
and
ice
remaining
after
such
plows
have
gone
through.
The
onus
in
Rochester
is
still
on
the
property
owner.
In
fact,
I
asked
them.
I
said:
do
the
contractors
you
hold
the
contractors
responsible
just
to
operate
within
your
ordinance
and
they
said
well,
in
fact,
we
consider
the
contractor
an
agent
of
the
property
owner
and
it's
the
property
owner
that
is
still
responsible.
So
that's
what
I
mean?
What
do
you
get
for
your
money,
I?
N
Think
there's
there
might
be
some
misconceptions
out
there
that
Rochester,
plows
or
sidewalks.
Everybody
is
forgiven
and
nobody
has
to
do
anything
and
nothing
could
be
further
from
the
truth.
The
city
properties
are
still
completely
responsible
for
for
this.
What
this
does
is
remember.
Rochester
is
a
lake-effect
City
there
on
the
south
side
of
one
of
the
Great
Lakes,
and
they
get
a
hundred
inches
of
snow
per
season
compared
to
our
50.
They
get
big
snows,
they
lived
out
and
you
to
control
mariya
for
a
number
of
years.
N
L
You
mister
chair
at
night
I.
Take
that
point
seriously
about
heart
attack
prevention.
I
was
talking
with
somebody
who
worked
in
the
emergency
department
and
then
one
night
they
had
five
men
come
in
and
passed
away
from
snow
removal.
So
it's
a
serious
thing:
I'm
wondering
with
these
cost
estimates
what
the
cost
is
per
homeowner
I
look
at
or
for
the
average
homeowner
I
look
at
Rochester,
New
York
it's
about
$35
for
the
entire
year
and
as
you
mentioned,
they
have
twice
the
snowfall
rates
that
we
do.
How
many
times
are
they
clearing
per
year?
N
Have
two
strategies
one
is:
they
will
do
full
deployment,
the
full
call-out?
No,
no
plow,
all
we
have
800
miles
of
streets
and
they'll
call
them
all
out
or
they
have
what
they
just
call
some
arterial
routes
if
it's
a
smaller
event
or
they're,
getting
close
to
hitting
their
budget
they'll
hold
back
and
just
plow
the
arterial
routes,
and
things
like
that
that
$35
is
what
they
call
an
embellishment
fee
is
how
they
recover
their
costs.
They
do
stay
within
their
embellishment
fee,
their
budgets
about
a
million
dollars
a
year.
N
Translated
to
us,
you
double
that
it's
a
couple
million
dollars,
but
I'm
gonna
talk
a
little
bit
later
about
why
they
enjoy
lower
costs.
I
think
and
comparing
costs
directly
from
city
to
city
is
fraught
with
peril.
It's
very
difficult
to
do.
We
can't
even
compare
our
cost
evenly
with
st.
Paul,
let
alone
in
another
state,
and
things
like
that.
So
it's
very
difficult
to
take
those
numbers
and
translate
it
to
us.
N
If
we
were
to
I
think
we
have
something
like
it's
around
a
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
properties
in
the
city,
so
you
could
maybe
do
a
little
bit
of
math
there
I
hadn't
taken
that
step
to
find
out
what
it
would
cost
per
property.
It's
about
a
hundred
fifty
property.
So
you
could
take
these
numbers
and
into
that
math.
If
you
want
to
do
and
that's
for
that's
something,
we
could
take
a
look
at
further
after
this.
It.
L
E
L
We
get
roughly-
and
you
say
it
in
your
report-
we
get
to
roughly
the
same
price
as
other
cities
give
or
take,
and
so
it
would
be
very
interesting
to
know
because
they
have
more
snow.
Is
that
twice
as
many
clearings
as
we're
doing
so?
Would
it
balance
out
if
we're
roughly
the
same
cost
of
removing
snow
as
them?
Is
that
then
$17.50
annually
for
residents,
or
is
it
twenty
five
dollars
annually
for
your
average
resident
or
what
it
is?
A
B
Chairmembers
I
know
what
the
rest
of
this
presentation
sounds
like
and
I
might
think.
I
might
ask
Mike
to
continue
on
in
the
presentation,
as
there
are
a
couple
of
questions
that
you've
as
you
are
educated
on
the
subject.
You're
you're
asking
where
there's
information
that's
presented
in
a
bit
in
the
next
couple
of
slides
in
Mike's
presentation.
N
Enough
Thank
You
mr.
chair,
my
next
slide
here
talking
about
examples
of
some
cities-
city,
plowed
sidewalks.
This
is
particular
to
Rochester
New
York.
They
plow
their
sidewalks
with
farm
all
tractors,
its
farmers
who
come
in
and
do
it
they're
the
same
tractors
that
are
out
in
the
fields,
sowing
wheat
or
whatever
they
do.
They
put
a
v-plow
on
the
front,
that's
what
they
specify
and
they
run
down
there
for
the
corners.
N
They
have
some
city
maintenance
tractors.
The
lower
lower
picture
is
of
a
city
maintenance
tractor
that
they
use
for
their
own
bridges
and
things
like
that
or
if
they
have
to
go
out
and
do
some
booster
work
on
some
sidewalks
and
that
sort
of
stuff
there
are
a
few
of
contractors
that
will
have
something
like
that.
But
in
general
it's
these,
these
farm,
all
tractors,
you
can
kind
of
when
I'm
talking
about
level
of
service
and
talking
about
cleanup
afterwards.
This
is
kind
of
a
good
example.
N
If
you
look
behind
the,
if
you
look
behind
the
tractor
here,
what
happens
when
you
plow
just
like
on
when
we
plow
snow
over
to
the
curb
line?
The
the
snow
falls
off
the
blade
and
it
falls
down
in
a
triangular
shaped
wind
row.
So
plowing
to
the
curb
is
a
myth
you
can't
blow
to
the
curb.
You
can
plow
it
there,
but
it's
gonna
fall
off,
but
you
can
see.
There's
no
falling
off
coming
back
in
the
whole.
Sidewalk
is
not
cleared,
so
that's.
N
The
idea
is
that
the
property
owners
still
have
to
go
out
and
clear
that
out
to
the
full
width,
if
you
even
look
at
the
the
bottom
picture,
with
the
maintenance
tractor
going
by,
that's
got
a
blower
that
that's
a
heavy-duty
piece
of
equipment.
If
you
look
it's
hard
to
see,
but
if
you
look
underneath
there,
you
can
see
it's
really
not
getting
down
to
bare
pavement,
there's
still
some
pavement
there,
and
so
people
would
still
have
to
go
out
and
clear
that
out.
N
N
Minneapolis,
this
is
our
equipment.
This
is
we
use
this
the
top
picture
there.
That's
our
corner,
clearing
strike
team
that
we
like
to
call
that's
what
it
takes
to
clear,
the
the
corners
that
we
do
in
the
city
they're
out
there,
for
we
get
that
done
in
about
ten
days
with
that
amount
of
equipment.
Just
a
couple
of
examples:
we
do
plow
some
of
our
bridge
sidewalks
and
things
like
that.
It's
some
of
the
kind
of
equipment.
This
might
be
this.
These
might
be
also
what
contractors
would
bring
to
bear
and
more
plowing
equipment
examples.
N
The
upper
picture
upper
left
picture:
there
is
just
of
a
B
plow
on
a
v-plow
on
a
tractor
type
of
maintenance
tractor.
The
lower
left
picture
is
actually
over
at
the
University.
That's
the
Oak
Street
Park
Oak
Street
bike
lane
over
there
and
the
university
contract
come
along
with
a
little
piece
of
equipment.
That's
something
won't
see.
It
looks
like
he's
doing
a
pretty
good
job,
but
he's
been
over
that
sidewalk
a
whole
bunch
of
times
so
and
then
the
other
picture.
N
N
Here's
some
examples
of
city,
plows,
sidewalk,
now
you'll
notice
that
upper
left
one
Minneapolis
people
may
not
think
about
Minneapolis
applying
sidewalks.
We
do
plows
I'd
watch,
we
plow
the
sidewalks
on
about
600
bridges
and
all
of
the
city-owned
sidewalks
sidewalks
that
are
adjacent
to
our
properties.
We
we
do
plow
those
we
do
a
pretty
good
job.
N
We
get
out
there
fairly
quickly,
I
mean
that
looks
like
a
pretty
good
job,
but
still-
and
it
is
a
good
job,
but
on
our
bridges,
we're
out
there
right
away
as
the
snow
falls,
because
we
want
to
provide
that
access
over
the
bridges,
I
think
yeah,
the
upper
right
is
City
of
Plymouth
and
down
below
this
will
be
pulled
in
Valley
and
st.
Louis
Park
just
gives
it
a
sample
of
what
their
sidewalks
look
like
when
the
city
does
allow
them
and
they're
you.
These
are
some
of
the
suburbs
that
do
it
now.
N
Again,
just
talking
a
little
bit
more
about
level
of
services,
there's
just
some
examples.
Again,
though,
the
picture
on
the
right
is
of
a
small
tractor
with
a
v-plow,
a
knight
on
it
or
actually
no,
that's
an
angle
plow,
and
you
can
see
the
way
he's
plowing
it
that
the
windrow
is
sloughing
off
there,
and
so
people
would
still
have
to
go
out
and
clear
that
open
not
getting
to
pare
bare
pavement
in
the
lower
picture.
Sometimes
we
might
be
able
to
get
to
that
kind
of
level.
N
N
So
I
want
to
talk
about
the
fact
that
the
service
delivery
timing
and
our
proposal
does
not
meet
the
for
our
clearing
standard
required
by
ordinance
for
properties
other
than
those
with
the
two
family
dwelling
units,
one
or
two
family
dwelling,
and
it's
commonly
called
the
commercial
properties.
Those
are
typically
typically
wider,
sidewalks
requiring
additional
pet
passes
or
clearing
your
own
streetscape
items.
A
single
pass
would
probably
be
made,
but
we're
just
we're
just
blowing
through.
N
So
we
would
also
need
to
think
about
how
this
would
affect
our
downtown
core,
how
it
affect
our
special
service
districts
where
snow
and
ice
control
in
many
of
them
snow
and
ice
controls
already
a
city
service
that
they
pay
for
in
other
large
commercial
areas.
Would
we
include
them
in
this
at
all,
or
should
we
just
bypass
them
and
then,
if
we
bypass
them,
how
do
we
answer
their
question?
Hey
I'm,
not
getting
the
service
that
you're
given
to
somebody
else,
so
it
just
gets
kind
of
complicated.
N
Those
are
just
things
we
would
need
to
think
about
in
researching
the
Supplemental
program
implemented
by
Rochester,
Rochester
New
York.
They
note
that
the
compliance
remains
an
issue.
Public
compliance
really
remains
an
issue,
as
people
may
simply
not
comply
with
the
rules,
because
they're
just
gonna
wait
until
the
plows
come
by
when
they
get
the
bigger
snow.
N
So
that
may
be
an
unintended
consequence
of
actually
plowing,
even
even
in
that
continuous
service
or
a
lower
threshold.
We
would
still
see
that
problem
with
people
won't
go
out
and
do
the
work
or
what
they
are
supposed
to
do.
Then
we
won't
have
the
kind
of
sidewalk
that
we
want
to
have
this
last
level
of
service
slide.
These
are
examples
of
sidewalks
that
have
not
been
taken
care
of
they're,
not
fully
compliant.
N
The
picture
on
the
left
here
is
a
sidewalk
that
has
been
walked
on
packed
down
frozen
Don
if
it
were
to
snow
and
the
city
were
to
come
by
and
plow
that
off
when
you're
done,
that's
still
what
you're
left
with
and
somebody
would
need
to
go
out
and
take
care
of
that
either
with
additional
salting
sanding
I,
don't
know
if
he
would
still
enforce
the
rules,
that
sort
of
thing
or
the
other
picture
there
is
bonded
ice.
There
was
a
rainstorm
or
melting
that
has
caused
that
ice
to
become
bonded
to
the
pavement.
N
It's
bulletproof.
This
is
the
template.
If
the
temperatures
stay
way
down,
salt
won't
work,
it
can't
get
it
up.
Somebody
should
really
be
applying
some
sand
to
that
and
that's
not
part
of
what
would
be
contemplated
in
our
program
either.
So
just
exactly
examples
of
the
level
of
service
and
in
what
would
be
you
know,
just
haven't,
released,
realistic
expectations
of
what
would
happen
out
there.
N
Lastly,
I
want
to
talk
about
feasibility.
The
cost
estimates
that
we've
talked
about
here
of
the
number
of
plowing
routes
and
flying
resources
that
would
be
needed,
which
is
estimated
about
a
120
flowers.
If
these
services
were
provided
by
City
forces,
it's
unknown
how
these
people
would
be
used
during
either
the
times
in
between
ploughing
events
or
during
the
summer
season.
If
we
geared
up
and
we
hired
100
people-
and
we
use
them
to
do
the
sidewalks,
what
are
they
going
to
do
the
rest
of
that
time?
N
N
There
are
questions
as
to
whether
these
resources
are
available
in
the
local
contracting
industry
or
if
there
are
enough
contractors
who
would
be
interested
in
bidding
on
the
work
contractors
may
incur
additional
significant
capital
costs
to
require
appropriate
equipment
and
experience
high
costs
due
to
secure
to
secure
reliable
labor
forces.
In
both
cases,
these
costs
would
be
passed
on
to
the
city
passed
on
to
the
property
owners.
These
factors
complicate
public
workers,
ability
to
predict
the
feasibility
of
contracting
work.
N
Towing-
and
here
are
some
examples
on
towing
contracting
for
snow
emergencies
and
street-sweeping,
as
well
as
our
alley
flowing.
Services
are
two
examples
where
it
seems
that
we
have
saturated
the
market.
Expanding
the
need
for
those
services
may
either
be
impossible
or
extremely
inexpensive
right.
Now
we
contract
for
snow
emergencies
and
street-sweeping.
We
contract
I
think
it's
488
tow
trucks.
We
don't
know
if
there's
any
more
out
there,
if
we
really
want
it
to
get
more
tow
trucks,
we
don't
know
if
they're
there,
we
might
not
be
able
to
find
it
we're
competing
with
st.
N
Paul
for
tow
trucks
too,
and
and
so,
and
it's
all
based
on
bids,
and
if
they
make
more
money
in
st.
Paul,
they
might
go
there
instead,
so
we've
kind
of
saturated
that
market
and
that's
what
I'm
saying
if
we
tried
to
get
120
plows
from
the
from
the
industry
out
there
we're
not
sure
that
it's
there
and
our
alley
plowing
we
went
to
the
12
overflowing
standard
from
24
back
in
1988.
N
We
did
it.
We
started
to
do
it
with
contractors
and
those
are
only
a
few
contractors
out
there
that
are
willing
to
do
this
work.
They
capitalized
the
stuff
in
their
equipment
and
it's
very
expensive,
it's
very
expensive-
to
get
those
four
to
five
Ally
clause
allowing
services
each
year
just
because
some
sort
of
saturate
that
market
another
example
is
our
current
program
of
having
contractors
clear,
sidewalks
sidewalks
that
are
out
of
violation
of
our
sidewalk
ordinance.
N
The
bid
prices
have
come
in
that
result
in
a
wine
rate,
wide
range
in
cost
to
the
property
owners
from
one
hundred
and
sixty
four
dollars
per
lot
in
one
season
to
two
hundred
and
two
dollars
per
lot
in
one
season
to
up
to
three
hundred
and
fifteen
dollars
per
lot
in
another
season.
So
you
can
see,
there's
a
swing
of
double
their
that
that,
as
being
absorbed
by
the
property
owners
based
on
contractual
bidding,
we've
had
some
counters
the
contractors
that
started
out.
N
They
hit
us
with
the
low
cost
and
they
didn't
come
back
because
they
found
out
they
weren't
making
any
money.
So
we
see
that
some
of
the
higher
costs
we've
got
a
stable,
a
good
contractor
contractor
right
now,
but
we
don't
know
what
in
the
future,
that
contractor
would
be.
Someone
would
be
competing
with
to
do
sidewalk,
flying
and
so
we'd
be
even
stretching
our
own
resources,
our
own
ability
to
get
plows
from
the
industry.
So
in
other
words,
we
can
see
swings
of
double
the
cost
of
seasons
seen
with
season.
N
We
were
talking
about
contracts
in
the
millions
of
dollars
per
year.
These
swings
could
put
huge
burdens
on
city
budgets
or
taxpayer
costs
or
both
depending
on
funding
strategies.
So
the
question,
maybe
if
Rochester,
can
do
it?
Why
can't
we
one
of
the
answers
is
that
they
have
been
doing
this
for
decades.
It's
part
of
their
culture,
they've
always
done
it
more
or
less
I,
don't
think.
There's
probably
the
people,
I've
talked
to
say
well,
I've
been
here
for
30
years,
and
this
has
been
going
on
for
decades
before
I
got
here.
N
Even
so,
it's
it's
been
there
for
a
long
long
time
it's
been
forever.
So
it's
totally
in
grade
it's!
It's
not
known
how
the
original
city
farmer
partnership
started,
but
that
when
they
did
start,
it's
felt
that
the
local
farming
industry
likely
saw
it
as
a
way
to
augment
their
income
by
realizing
some
revenue
during
the
non
farming
season.
So
they've
been
doing
it
for
many
years
the
city
enjoys
relatively
reasonable
contracting
costs,
because
these
folks
have
been
doing
it
forever.
It's
just
a
way
to
get
a
little
extra
money.
N
Many
of
these
partnerships
have
flourished
for
several
generations.
These
these
days
there
are
about
five
regular
groups
that
are
return
contractors
every
year.
They
have
experienced
an
abnormal
increase
of
bid
prices
recently,
but
they
attribute
it
to
a
just
a
normal
correction
in
the
industry,
but
they
still
enjoy
decent
prices.
They're,
knowledgeable,
internship
contractors,
in
fact
they're
sidewalk
contractors
a
much
more
dependable
than
their
street
plowing
contractors
that
they
get.
They
do
supplement
their
there's
replying
their
City
forces
with
some
contractors
for
street
plowing
and
that's
much
more
volatile.
N
They
have
much
more
problems
with
those,
but
the
farmers
they
they
keep
coming.
They
love
it
so
with
us.
There
would
likely
be
a
long
learning
curve
of
establishing
relationships,
the
industry
deciding
if
they
want
to
do
this
business
successes
and
failures
and
potentially
volatile
prices
or
the
time.
N
So
in
conclusion,
today,
here,
based
on
the
high
costs
and
challenges
associated
with
internal
or
outside
resources
and
all
the
issues
that
we've
talked
about
here,
the
cost
level
of
service
expectations
and
everything
we've
talked
about
public
works
does
not
recommend
the
implementation
of
city
sidewalk.
Clearing
at
this
time,
as
presented
in
the
winter
maintenance,
supplemental
announced
back
in
May
public
works
will
be
implementing
proactive,
sidewalk
inspection
pilot
for
the
2020
1819
winter
season.
N
A
On
that
note,
though,
reference
our
proactive
maintenance
strategy,
is
there
a
commitment
on
that
in
terms
of
data
collecting
research
that
would
do
some
comparisons
to
the
effectiveness
or
the
efficacy
of
that,
as
we
look
at
other
options,
so
they're
not
doing
two
worlds
here
what
we
could
do
and
what
we
are
doing.
It's
one
data
set
of
comparisons
and
analysis.
Mr.
B
Chair,
thank
you
for
the
question.
It's
an
opportunity
to
clarify
a
couple
of
things
that
we
are
moving
forward
with
this
winter
and
to
relate
that
back
to
the
work
that
we
did
on
the
winter
maintenance
study
and
what
led
to
the
approach
that
we
are
going
to
be
taking
this
year,
and
it
really
is
for
four
things
that
we
are
going
to
do.
One
is
that
we
are
already
working
on
improving
our
communication
about
why
it
is
important.
B
chair,
we
will
be
collecting
data
on
the
effectiveness
of
that
program
so
that
we
can
either
augment
or
shift
or
pivot
or
reconsider
items
that
we
didn't
initially
think
about
as
our
first
strategy.
Three,
we
are
going
to
be
looking
this
winter
at
how
we
can
work
within
our
current
operations
to
improve
or
augment
our
Corner
clearing.
This
is
largely
going
to
be
an
opportunity
to
look
at
like
the
opportunistic
approach.
Do
we
have
extra
staff?
Do
we
have
extra
time?
Can
we
send
some
some
people
out,
but
that's
not
the
end
of
that
discussion.
B
We
are
gathering
additional
information
through
our
transportation
action
plan
that
may
lead
to
expanded
policy
and
expanded
approaches
to
corner
clearing
and
Jenny.
Hager
is
going
to
be
leading
that
work
this
year
through
this
winter
and
then
forth.
As
I
mentioned,
we
are
working
on
developing
a
list
of
connections
for
people
if
they
can't
shovel
their
own
sidewalk.
If
we're
going
to
be
doing
the
proactive
inspection,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
help
people
get
assistance
when
they
need
it.
Those
are
four
doable
strategies
that
we
can
do
at
a
very
minimum
of
expense.
B
You
will
see
that
come
through
in
our
budget
presentation
in
a
few
weeks
for
a
minimum
of
investment.
These
are
four
strategies
that
we
can
do
right
away.
We
plan
to
measure
the
outcomes
this
winter
so
that
we
can
either
come
back
to
you
with.
We
need
to
take
the
next
step
and
that
might
be
a
bigger
investment
or
a
bigger
penalty,
or
we're
seeing
a
good
trend.
We're
seeing
the
right
amount
of
success
here
in
keeping
our
sidewalks
clear
for
everyone
who
needs
to
travel.
So
there's
a
much
larger
picture
to
this.
B
When
we
asked
our
operational
team,
Mike
and
team
to
look
at
something,
we
asked
them
to
pick
apart,
the
feasibility.
What
are
the
things
that
we
aren't
thinking
of
what
itwhat
did
we
not
think
of
what?
Maybe,
as
policymakers,
have
you
not
thought
of,
and
we
asked
them
to
pick
it
all
the
way
down
to
the
bone
so
that
we
understand
what
any
intended
or
unintended
outcomes
are
and
that's
the
kind
of
analysis
that
you
see
before
you
today.
This
is,
of
course,
a
strategy
of
interest.
B
We
have
not
proposed
it
as
our
first
strategy,
because
we
feel
we
can
make
a
difference
with
the
set
of
four
things
that
we're
going
to
do
this
winter,
and
then
we
know
we
need
to
have
a
report
back
on
that.
How
did
we
do?
What
more
do
we
need
to
be
considering?
How
do
we
need
to
tweak
that?
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak.
Thank.
L
You
mr.
chair,
when
I
appreciate
the
presentation
and
the
effort
to
dive
in
here,
when
you
talk
about
the
problems
in
Rochester,
it
really
sounds
like
those
issues
come
back
to
communication
and
enforcement
and
I
really
appreciate
director
Hutchinson
talking
about
the
letter
that
will
go
out
to
all
residents
to
better
communicate
that
it
sounds
like
Rochester
could
probably
do
a
little
better
on
the
communication
side
and
on
the
enforcement
side
as
well,
in
order
to
match
the
expectations
that
people
have
with
their
supplemental
services
and
kind
of
close
the
gap
and
finish
it
off.
L
One
of
the
issues,
though
you
talk
about,
is
these
hundred
and
twenty
operators.
What
would
they
do
in
the
summer
and
what
would
they
do
and
they're
not
plowing
and
the
the
ability
of
the
market
out
there
for
going
out
to
contractors
and
when
I
think
about
our
city
values
we
passed
to
work
innovatively
creatively,
I
wonder:
have
you
given
any
thought
to
decentralized.
L
Clearing
and
when
I
say
that
I'll
put
it
this
way,
my
wife
and
I
went
out
we're
so
frustrated
by
the
terrible
condition
of
the
sidewalks.
Last
year
that
we
went
out,
we
got
a
plow
and
we're
committed
this
year,
we're
going
to
just
around
the
block
and
plow
everybody's
sidewalks,
because
at
least
we
can
manage
our
little
area
ourselves.
Have
we
looked
at?
L
What
would
it
take
to
at
least
put
it
out
there
and
maybe
pilot
it
and
see
if
there's
some
way
to
incentivize
individuals
and
identify
one
person
on
each
block
or
in
or
at
least
the
majority
of
blocks
that
can
go
out
and
do
this
and
improve
the
condition
of
the
sidewalk
by
getting
to
that
correct
expectation
in
the
correct
amount
of
time?
Mr.
B
Chair
council,
member
Johnson
and
Mike,
as
this
is
a
very
interdisciplinary
conversation
that,
but
there
have
been
several
people
working
on
this
mike-
has
been
asked
to
run
down
all
the
feasibility
on
what
it
would
take
for
us
to
plus
snow.
But
there
are
other
folks
that
are
working
on
us,
so
I
might
just
jump
in
and
say
that
that
is
an
idea
that
I
won't
say
that
has
legs
so
much
as
it's
going
to
be
implemented
this
year.
B
But
we
know
that
that
is
an
opportunity
and
that's
more
on
the
education
and
outreach
side
of
things.
Some
some
work
that
Brett
is
working
on
some
work,
that
Lisa
is
working
on
and
to
the
transportation
action
plan
as
well,
and
it's.
How
do
we
enlist
the
help
of
community
to
be
that
assistance
for
for
neighborhoods?
So
it
was
a
suggestion.
I
believe
you
made,
it
was
a
good
one.
B
We
are
following
up
on
it:
we're
trying
to
tap
into
by
collaborating
with
neighborhood
and
community
relations,
we're
trying
to
tap
into
what
resources
are
in
the
neighborhoods
that
might
be
able
to
provide
that
help
and
assistance.
So
the
answer
is
yes,
a
little
bit
less
on
the
operation
side,
a
little
bit
more
on
the
communication,
outreach
side,
gotcha.
L
L
Talking
about
the
supplemental
report
and
what
you're
going
to
be
doing
this
year,
I
appreciate
what
director
Atchison
said
about
this
and
the
quadrants.
Can
you
go
into
a
little
more
depth,
please,
on
how
that's
going
to
work
and
are
you?
Is
there
a
part
of
the
city
you're
going
to
have
as
a
control
group
versus
experimental,
where
you're
going
to
be
able
to
see
what
the
actual
difference
is?
When
you
go
out
there
is
there
any
particular
quadrant,
that's
going
to
every
time,
there's
a
significant
snow
event
or
every
time
there's
a
snow
event.
L
M
M
The
thought
right
now
is
to
basically
split
the
city
into
four
quadrants:
roughly
half
the
city
north/south,
roughly
half
the
city,
east/west
and
then
within
those
quadrants,
creates
smaller
areas
and
then
assign
different
inspectors
to
go
out
and
proactively
inspect
after
every
half
inch
event
collect
data,
whether
their
sidewalks
are
in
compliance
or
not
in
compliance,
and
then
move
those
not
in
compliance
through
the
compliance
process,
again
kind
of
gathering
data,
knowing
which
properties
being
able
to
analyze
how
we
can
make
improvements.
Do
we
have
repeat
offenders
over
time?
Are
they
always
new?
M
L
M
L
M
L
Yeah,
if
I
decide
not
to
shovel
my
sidewalk
at
all
this
year,
which
I
obviously
won't
do
as
a
shovel
religiously,
but
if
I
didn't
write,
you
know
what
are
in
my
quadrant
is
my
quadrant
at
some
point
going
to
be
picked
as
my
sidewalk
going
to
be
evaluated
at
some
point,
is
everybody
going
to
get
one
pass
of
proactive
inspection
at
least
this
year?
Mr.
B
Cherrick
sorry
I
want
to
jump
in
this
one
because
it
relates
a
little
bit
to
we're,
not
sure
yet,
and
it
depends
a
little
bit
on
budget
discussions.
So
we've
requested
and
it's
been
recommended
to
receive
a
bit
of
funding
for
staff
that
well
augment
our
inspections
and
our
ability
to
do
each
and
every
sidewalk
versus
our
ability
to
do
really
pilot
areas
will
depend
in
part
on
how
those
discussion
is
animal.
Thank.
L
You
appreciate
that
and
then
I
just
really
have
essentially
one
question
left
I
mean
at
the
risk
of
jinxing
us
here
it
could
snow
in
less
than
a
month
potentially
knock
on
wood.
Hopefully
it
doesn't.
But
how
quickly
is
this
letter
going
to
go
out
and
then
do
we
have
these
assistance
programs
in
place
to
include
in
the
letter
and
communicate
out
to
residents
who
might
be
physically
unable
to
shovel
their
sidewalks.
B
Mr.
chair
council,
Oh
Johnson,
we'll
just
continue
with
the
team
effort
on
responses.
As
you
can
see,
this
is
a
very
important
topic
for
Public
Works.
The
letter
I
would
like
to
time
the
letter
for
when
residents
are
receiving
their
don't
get
towed,
notices,
I
think
I
can,
by
having
reinforced
information
one
against
another.
It's
it's.
It's
just
good
reinforcement.
We've
also
changed
the
language
in
that
notice
to
say,
don't
forget
to
shovel
your
sidewalks.
B
L
M
F
You
mr.
chair,
at
this
point,
I
think
I
just
voiced
my
thanks
for
the
suggestions
that
are
coming
forward
for
things
to
try
and
measure
this
year.
We've
been
talking
about
this
for
a
number
of
years
and
I
think,
while
staff
has
done
a
lot
of
different
trial,
things
and
kind
of
checking
different
things
out,
I
think
this
more
concerted
effort
to
try
new
things
and
collect
the
data
will
really
help
us.
We
hear
a
lot
of
really
compelling
stories
from
our
constituents
and
I,
particularly
I.
F
Think
some
of
us
who
represent
parts
of
town
with
a
lot
of
transit
dependent
constituents
really
hear
stories
about
how
people
are
trapped
in
their
homes
during
the
winter
when
the
sidewalks
are
not
cleared,
and
particularly
impressive
town,
where
we
have
walkable
neighborhoods
with
good
transit
access.
You
know
we
have
a
lot
of
constituents
who
depend
on
our
sidewalks
to
be
able
to
get
around
and
I.
Think
that's.
Why
there's
so
much
interest
in
this
and
so
much
passionate
about
this
issue
so
again
really
appreciate.
F
F
You
know,
take
these
them
a
smaller
scale
approaches
and
we
just
need
to
kind
of
get
out
there
and
try
it
try
some
of
this
each
winter
as
we
go
and
and
continue
to
to
get
better,
and
particularly,
you
know
this,
the
corner
clearance,
the
bus,
stop
clearance,
and
then
you
know
when
we
have
our
plows
going
through
and
kind
of
breed
piling
snow
on
those
corners
eyes.
Those
are
things
that
I
really
hear
a
lot
about
in
Ward
10,
in
addition
to
just
the
challenge
of
getting
through
our
sidewalks.
F
J
Thank
you
very
much
and
I,
and
the
meetings
gone
pretty
long
already.
I
will
I
have
lots
of
questions
about
it,
I'm
curious
about
what
it
costs
the
park
board.
I
think
the
park
board
does
an
amazing
job
of
plowing,
the
bike
paths
along
the
river
and
the
lakes,
and
they
seem
to
get
out
there
very
quickly
and
easily
I'm,
also
curious
about.
J
If
we
looked
at
Crystal
or
Golden,
Valley
or
Bloomington
crystal
has
a
hybrid
where
they
plow
some
of
the
themselves
and
others
they
don't
Bloomington
plows
all
of
the
sidewalks
as
well
as
all
of
the
streets.
They
say
they
go
out
there.
Typically
ten
to
twelve
snowfalls
per
year,
they've
got
over
2,000
miles
of
road
250
miles
of
sidewalks.
They
do
the
skating
rinks,
the
municipal
parking
lots
and
the
walkways
the
average
cost
for
these
services
for
households
is
about
10
dollars
and
80
cents
per
year.
J
They
do
they
don't
get
out
there
in
4
hours,
of
course,
and
I.
Don't
think
that
would
be
the
expectation
it
just
I've
been
here
a
long
time,
I
Pinkard
with
the
snow,
ordinance
I
tinkered
with
regulations,
we've
gotten
tough.
We've
gotten
proactive.
We
still
have
consistent
problems
every
year.
If
we
really
want
a
walkable
city
we
have
to
be
able
to
do
is
about
as
much
for
we
do
for
the
sidewalks,
as
we
do,
for
the
bike
paths
and
probably
for
the
streets.
J
I'm,
not
quite
sure
how
many
millions
we
spend
plowing
the
streets,
but
it's
probably
less
than
even
your
kind
of
inflated
figure
for
the
sidewalks
and
so
I.
It's
just
discouraging
that
we've
come
back
with
I
guess
this
is
so
impossible
how
expensive
it
is
I'd
like
to
know
how
many
miles
of
pedestrian
priority
corridor
sidewalks.
We
have.
N
N
Just
a
little
bit
of
history,
we
started
plowing
corners
or
put
a
focus
on
on
clearing
corners
about
five
years
ago.
I
think
it
was,
and
what
we
did
is
we
identified
a
set
of
what
we
call
then
pedestrian
priority
corridors.
It
was
based
upon
this
map
that
you
see
here,
which
was
actually
developed
a
couple
years
prior
to
that
as
a
light,
pedestrian
lighting
corridors.
So
you
can
see
it
was
focused
around
many
of
the
activity,
centers
and
focus
on
many
of
the
arterial
streets
and
things
like
that.
N
It
was
the
best
we
had
at
the
time
and
the
criteria
to
develop
pedestrian
priority
corners
or
lighting
corridors.
Probably
is
about
the
same,
so
this
worked
fairly
well.
This
is
a
system
that
could
certainly
be
tweaked
and
I
believe
with
their
action
plan
and
some
of
the
other
things
we
are
looking
at
tweaking
and
with
the
with
the
winter
matin
study.
We
talked
about
tweaking
this,
but
there's
a
lot
of
people,
the
figure
we
don't
have
a
pedestrian
priority
quarter
corridors,
but
we
do-
and
this
is
what
we
based
our
corner
clearing
on.
N
So
we
use
this
to
adopt
the
corner,
clearing
routes.
I've
heard
the
question
before:
why
do
we
have
to
wait
for
three
days
before
we
can
start?
We
could
start
early,
but
the
Prabhas.
Remember
it's
all
about
sequencing
and
customer
bender
just
sort
of
hit
on
it.
We
could
start
earlier,
but
there's
no
wind
rose
to
clear.
We
have
to
plow
the
streets
before
we
can
clear
the
corners
there's.
No
wind
roasts,
no
corners
declare
until
we're
done.
So
that's
why
we
wait
till
the
end
of
the
snow
emergency.
N
That
was
what
we
that
was
what
we
proposed
to
do
and
what
was
accepted.
That
and
in
fact
we
start
on
night,
three,
the
first
night.
After
actually,
we
start
plowing
our
clearing
our
corners.
Sooner
than
that
were
out
there
downtown
clearing
corners
immediately
night,
one
day,
one
and
in
night
two
and
then
we
expand
out
from
there.
But
the
big
focus
on
clearing
these
and
I
can't
remember
the
the
timeframe.
I
think
we
said
we
get
these
in
four
or
five
days
or
something
like
that.
N
You
can
see
the
I
showed
you
the
picture
of
our
strike
team.
That
shows
that
the
amount
of
equipment
effort
that
goes
into
that,
but-
and
so
but
that's
why
we
can't
start
earlier
than
day
three
and
in
our
three
days
later
and
we
do
keep
going,
but
we
we
produced,
we
set
a
budget
for
that.
That
budget
was
approved,
so
I'd
submit
that.
Well
we
can
tweak
this.
N
N
We
get
all
the
corners
cleared,
there's
sixteen
thousand
corners
that
we
clear
and
we
get
them
done
in
about
ten
days
if
it
doesn't
snow
again,
so
we're
out
there
we're
going
we're
going
strong
and
it
takes
a
little
while
and
yes
that
can
be
frustrating
for
people.
But
that's
that's
that's
what
we
do
these
days,
and
so
it
is
happening.
It's
based
on
on
this.
N
G
N
J
N
J
Well,
it
would
be
nice
if
we
could
start
thinking
about
maybe
starting
a
little
smaller
than
the
1,800,
and
we
already
obviously
are
in
the
business
of
clearing
snow.
We
also
in
the
business
of
clearing
snow
from
sidewalks
and
corners
and
I
think
that
there
may
be
some
efficiencies
if
we
could
expand
that
I'm,
not
quite
sure
what
the
guys
do
with
their
plows
and
I
and
I'm
curious
about
what
kind
of
plow
council
member
Johnson
but
I'm
gonna
try
to
get.
N
J
I
Dom
I,
you
know
I
I,
don't
want
to
give
up
on
this
year,
yet
I
understand.
That's
the
plan
right
now
that
were
were
give
me
just
kind
of
keep
it
going,
but
I'd
love
to
get
more
information
and
dig
into
this
I
think
if
people
found
out
for
for
ten
dollars
and
80
cents
per
year,
like
they
pay
in
Bloomington,
they
could
get
their
sidewalks
all
the
sidewalks
cleared.
People
might
be
interested
so
hopefully
we'll
keep
working
on
this
summer.
I
Can
you
clarify
for
me
a
little
bit
how
we
thought
about
special
service
districts
and
I'm,
especially
curious
about
the
comment
that
the
Denton
Improvement
District
only
clears
the
Nicollet
Mall,
because
I
know
the
Improvement
Districts
is
substantially
bigger
than
that.
So
I'm
surprised
to
hear
that
I
had
the
impression
that
they
do
a
significantly
bigger
chunk
of
downtown.
N
Mr.
chair
councilmember
Fletcher,
the
downtown
Improvement
District
took
over
or
absorbed
sort
of
the
responsibilities
in
the
old
Nicollet
Mall
it
mall
operation
and
maintenance
district,
and
they
agreed
to
continue
the
same
level
of
service
that
they
did
on
the
mall
that
they
had
done
prior,
and
so
that's
why?
They
only
do
the.
A
N
Removal,
it's
no
nice
control
on
the
mall
itself,
the
rest,
the
property
owners
are
responsible
for
their
own
there's.
A
lot
of
window
removal,
an
actual
snow
removal
that
happens
downtown
and
about
half
of
the
windows
are
moved
off.
The
curb
removed
off
the
curb
line,
but
that's
property
owners
making
their
own
decision
based
on
what
they
want
to
do
with
their
priorities
and
that
sort
of
stuff,
and
so
it
looks
like
it's
happening,
but
it's
not
happening
through
the
DI
D.
The
D
ID
really
only
offers
some
snow
tidying
services.
N
What
they
call,
maybe
they'll,
go
out
and
and
have
some
of
their
ambassadors
do
some
hand
shoveling
and
things
like
that,
but
otherwise
all
the
corners
bus
stops
are
all
cleared
by
the
city
and
on
the
special
service
districts.
The
reason
I
mentioned,
that
is,
there
are
several
of
them
that
do
their
own
snow
and
ice
control
and
snow
removal.
They
do
it
as
an
enhanced
service.
We
can't
we
can't
charge
them
or
we
can't
pay
for
those
that
we
can
do
those
services
and
charge
them
for
it
unless
it's
something
over
and
above.
N
So
that's
why
I
saying
if
we're
gonna
be.
If
we,
if
the
city
worked
to
plow
the
sidewalks,
we
probably
wouldn't
stop
in
the
special
service
disk,
we're
just
gonna
go
through
we're.
Gonna
go
on
through
drive
right
on
through,
they
will
probably
already
be
cleared,
and
so
there's
there's
gonna
be
a
question.
They
will
want
to
credit
all
kinds
of
things:
it's
just
complicating
stuff,
but
so
or
do
we
just
you
know
completely,
not
include
them,
but
in
general
we're
gonna
just
be
going
anyway,
so
just
stuff
to
think
about.
Thank.
I
I
Much
quicker,
I'm,
very
interested
in
pursuing
that,
at
least
on
pedestrian
priority
corridors
and
maybe
on
safe
routes
to
school.
If
we
sort
of
think
about
that
as
sort
of
areas
that
we
could
look
at
so
I
would
be
interested,
did
you
look
at
a
more
geographically
limited
version
of
this
or
we're
not
trying
to
do
the
whole
1,800,
but
looking
at
places
where
it
could
make
a
huge
impact
in
getting
people
from
their
bus
stops
to
the
institutions
that
they
rely
on
to
schools,
to
businesses
to
retail?
I
N
I
Sorry,
director,
Hutchins
I'll,
say
the
the
the
other.
The
other
thing
I
think
is
worth
looking
at
is
I
think
it
does
make
sense
to
me
that
we
would
have
a
different
approach
for
areas
of
density
as
opposed
to
areas
of
single-family
homes,
not
only
because
there
are
more
people
walking
on
each
sidewalk
and
it
serves
more
people,
but
also
that
more
people
come
to
activity
centers
from
outside.
So
there
are
going
to
be
more
pedestrians
even
than
who
live.
I
You
know
on
a
block
who
use
those
sidewalks,
and
so
the
usage
is
going
to
go
up,
so
it
wouldn't
make
sense
to
me
to
see
a
sort
of
targeted
clearing.
You
know
based
on
levels
of
density.
You
know
it's
really
think
about
what
are
the
areas
that
are
actually
getting
used
and
so
I'd
really
like
to
see
us
sort
of
thinking
strategically.
Obviously,
data
will
inform
this
as
we
as
we
get
the
proactive
enforcement
starting
to
happen
and
get
some
real
observations
about
where
things
are
impassable
and
where
things
aren't
working.
I
You
know,
but
I
want
us
to
really
have
an
eye
towards.
Where
do
we
impact
the
most
people?
You
know:
where
are
we
the
most
helpful
and
recognize
that
it
might
be
that
people
living
you
know
on
a
single-family
block?
Are
you
know,
okay
to
shovel
their
own
sidewalks,
and-
and
we
don't
have
to
make
this
1,800
mile
intervention
to
have
a
huge
impact
for
a
huge
percentage
of
our
residents.
L
You
mr.
chair
I
just
had
a
couple
of
additional
questions.
Do
you
please
explain
the
thought
process
around
citations
and
where
those
come
in
and
the
approach
is
my
understanding
is
this
pilot.
In
this
upcoming
winter
we
will
not
be
using
the
tool
of
citations,
potentially
doing
a
you
know,
$20
ticket.
If
you
don't
plow
sort
of
a
deal,
you
just
explain
the
thought
process
around
that
mr.
B
Chair
I'm
gonna
jump
in
here
and
council
member
Johnson.
Thank
you.
You
and
I
talked
about
this
a
couple
months
ago
and
I'll
just
explain
more
publicly.
What
I
explained
at
that
time
is
that
we
want
an
opportunity,
because
not
everybody
can
shovel
there's
a
few
reasons.
We
want
the
opportunity
to
try
proactive
enforcement
before
we
consider
a
a
fine
and
citation
is
one
we
we
need
time
to
ramp
up,
to
connect
people
to
resources
for
people
who
cannot
shovel.
B
We
are
trying
to
strike
a
balance
between
making
sure
that
our
sidewalks
are
passable
for
all,
but
also
not
being
overly
overly
penalizing
those
who
have
struggle
really
struggle
to
clear
their
own
sidewalks.
So
we
wanted
to
do
this
first
level
of
proactive
enforcement
before
we
consider
a
fee
or
a
charge
or
a
dollar
penalty,
in
an
effort
to
really
strike
that
balance
between
we
mean
business
and
I
mean
I.
B
Just
anecdotally,
I,
usually
shovel
my
neighbors,
because
she
can't
I
I
would
as
a
story
you
I
would
hate
to
find
her
right
away
before
we
tried
at
this
more
heavier
hand,
approach
to
proactive
enforcement.
So
that's
a
little
bit
the
thinking
behind.
Why
no
fear
fine
out
of
the
gate
this
year
appreciate.
L
You
know
I'd,
say
that's
a
lot
better
than
them,
just
not
clearing
and
getting
to
the
point
where
they're
spending
$300
on
city
service
to
clear
it,
and
so
I
appreciate
the
proactive
enforcement
piece.
I
do
want
to
throw
this
out
here
publicly
about
my
feelings
on
the
the
fines,
because
I
think
for
a
lot
of
people.
This
is
the
worst
part
about
living
in
our
city
is
that
they
are
isolated
and
socially,
they
have.
J
A
J
Think
one
of
the
problems
with
enforcement
and
also
one
of
the
problems
we're
going
to
find
we're
trying
to
coordinate
with
somebody
to
get
them
help
to
shovel
their
walk.
Is
it's
just
going
to
create
these
long
time?
Delays
I
actually
think
there
are
probably
people
who
would
opt
in
at
the
beginning
of
the
season
or
maybe
for
their
four
years
to
a
program.
J
We
said
we
have
a
system,
so
if
we
can
get
your
sidewalk
shuffles
and
taken
care
of
for
you
and
we
will
be
the
go-between
whatever
that
takes,
they
probably
opt
into
that,
but
that
doesn't
even
sound
like
what
we're
trying
to
approach
we're
trying
to
connect
them
to
somebody
else
who
might
be
able
to
provide
those
services
for
them
and
then
build
them
for
it
or
something
like
that.
So
I
don't
know
I
just
wish.
It
didn't.
Take
us
so
long
to
figure
it
out
and
do
better
and
we're
absolutely
right.
J
J
Finding
folks
and
sending
them
warning
letters
and
and
and
then
sending
out
the
contractors
to
clean
up
for
them
and
collecting
the
money
I
was
curious
about
if
we'd
even
talked
to
the
park
board
and
asked
him
if
they
would
want
to
do
more
plowing
and
do
it
for
us.
If
we
already
have
somebody
plowing
I
know
in
Bloomington,
it
is
their
park,
maintenance,
crews
who
go
out
and
do
their
sidewalk
plowing
for
them.
There
too,
and
they've
also
prioritized
it.
F
You
mr.
chair
I
know,
we've
gone
on
for
quite
a
long
time
here,
but
I
do
I
just
want
to
underscore
that
I
think
a
lot
of
work
has
gone
into
this
topic
and
to
me
the
most
important
thing
is
that
we,
you
know
that
we
continue
to
follow
this
plan,
that
we
have,
that
we
invest
as
much
time
in
and
I
also
wanted
to
underscore
something
that
cuts
over
Fletcher.
So
that's
come
up
a
number
of
times,
which
is
I.
F
Think
this
approach,
that's
kind
of
demonstrated
to
this
map
I
think,
is
also
the
most
realistic
way
to
approach
any
kind
of
enhanced
City.
Let
our
contracted
work
that
we
might
explore,
particularly
around
corners
and
just
note
that
again
I
as
we're
about
to
adopt
a
land
use
plan
that
concentrates
the
majority
of
growth
along
transit
corridors.
F
This
is
one
of
the
critical
components
that
makes
that
kind
of
approach
workable
at
all
in
our
city,
which
is
to
make
sure
that
our
transit
system
is
usable
in
the
wintertime
and
the
idea
that
we
would
continue
to
grow
almost
exclusively
along
tronic
transit
corridors
without
having
accessibility
in
the
winter
is
just
setting
ourselves
up
for
for
failure.
So
I
again
just
really
appreciate.
You
know
the
continued
strategy
that
we're
putting
into
this
and
I.
Think
that's
a
critical
piece
of
it
is.
F
How
do
we
expand
that
targeted
approach
to
downtown
into
the
transit
corridors
and
the
pedestrian
priority
corridors
in
the
city
through
the
enforcement
things
that
have
been
discussed
through
more
proactive
cleaning
in
targeted
areas,
and
that
seems
to
me
also
a
winning
strategy
and
kind
of
an
incremental
approach.
As
we
get
more
data
collected
each
winter.
A
Any
further
conversation
well
clearly,
this
is
an
important
topic.
It's
clearly
a
work
in
progress,
but
we
already
know
what
we
want
to
do
and
we
we
do
have
a
Complete
Streets
policy.
We
know
we
want
to
meet
it
both
its
intent
specifically
and
then
the
spirit
of
it
as
well
and
I
think
our
measurements
and
what
we're
analyzing
and
the
strategy
we
in
you
know
employ
are
all
going
to
be
measured
of.
Do
we
get
to
that
point
or
not?
A
Are
we
going
along
that
trajectory
or
not
and
I
think
a
lot
of
the
ideas
that
have
floated
up
even
in
this
conversation
are
sound
ones
and
I
know
that
part
of
our
planning
process
will
incorporate
that
and,
as
we
continue
to
be
conduits
for
the
concerns
and
issues
of
our
citizenry,
you
folks
figure
out
how
to
implement
to
meet
the
standard
that
we
expect
here
in
the
city
of
Minneapolis,
so
I'm
not
going
to
belabor
it
I
think
we've
had
a
nice,
robust
conversation
and
I
will
just
move
to
receive
and
file,
noting
all
the
additional
work
that
will
go
into
this
topic.