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Description
Minneapolis Transportation & Public Works Committee Meeting
A
I'll
call
this
meeting
to
order
it's
the
regular
schedule,
meeting
of
the
Transportation
and
Public
Works
Committee
of
the
state
November
27
2018
I'm
councilman,
Reich,
I,
chair
the
committee
and
and
Rhema
by
colleagues,
both
council
members,
Johnson
Palmisano,
bender
and
Fletcher,
we're
also
joined
by
councilmember
Cano,
today's
Committee
on
the
agenda.
Today
we
have
18
items,
including
public
hearings,
consent
and
presentation.
We
will
begin
with
the
consent
items
any
committee
member
can
pull
them
for
further
discussion
if
they
wish
and
I'll
begin
with
item
3,
which
is
the
rental
vehicle
insurance
policy
item.
A
4
is
the
application
for
the
2018
Minnesota
safe
routes
to
school
infrastructure
program
item
5
is
the
contract
with
the
city
of
Bloomington
for
reimbursement
of
water
work
by
the
city
of
Minneapolis
item
6?
Is
the
contract
amount
with
Bolton
mint
incorporated
for
additional
professional
services
at
the
4th
Street
reconstruction
project
item
7?
Is
the
contract
amendment
with
engineering
and
construction
innovation
incorporated
for
the
14th
Avenue
South
sanitary
sewer
replacement
project
item
8?
Is
the
contractor
men
with
park
construction
company
for
the
18th
Avenue
Northeast
construction
project,
a
reconstruction
project
item
9?
A
Is
the
contractor
men
with
Schaffer
contracting
company
incorporated
for
the
54th
Street
West
reconstruction
project
item
10?
Is
the
contract
amendment
with
Metropolitan
Council
environmental
services
for
phase
9
of
the
Interceptor
improvement
project?
I'm
11
is
the
right
of
entry
agreement
with
BAE
Systems
for
environmental
monitoring
item
12.
Is
the
land
sale
portion
of
the
right
away,
adjacent
to
177,
Glenwood
Avenue
to
Catholic
Charities
and
we're
saying
a
public
hearing
for
that
I
generate
a
2019
item.
A
13
is
the
33rd
Street
East
reconstruction
project
from
Hiawatha
Avenue
to
Minnehaha
Avenue
that'll,
be
the
project
layout
easements
item
4?
Is
the
Industrial
Boulevard
multi-use
trail
between
I
35,
W
and
Broadway
Street
northeast
project
layout
and
easements
item
15
is
a
critical
traffic
and
parking
area
application
and
that's
for
the
area.
A
10Th
Avenue
south
from
21st
Street
East
to
22nd,
Street,
East
and
21st
Street
East
from
10th
Avenue
South
and
to
11th
Avenue
South
and
in
16,
is
the
limited
use
permit
with
the
minnesota
department
transportation
for
pedestrian
bike
sidewalk
facility
for
eighth
Street
south
east,
with
trunk
highway,
35
W
right
away
item
17
is
the
Metro
Green
Line
extension
Southwest,
light
rail
assignment
and
assumption
agreement
with
the
Metropolitan
Council,
always
good
to
see
that
project
continue
to
move
forward.
Item
18
is
the
bid
for
rental
of
mortar
grade
snow
removal.
A
Those
are
all
the
consent
items.
Anyone
wish
to
pull
anything
for
further
conversation
scene
I
now
move
all
items
as
submitted
all
in
favor,
say:
aye
I
sent
a
name
that
carries
and
we've
been
joined
by
a
committee
member
councillor,
Gordon
good
to
see
you.
You
now
can
go
into
the
public
hearing
portion
of
our
meeting
today
and
then,
let's
start
with
item
1,
which
is
the
North
Loop,
paving
Street
reconstruction
project
approval
assessment
area
way.
Abandonment
for
that
project
good
morning,
director
hutchinson
morning.
B
Mr.
chair
members
of
the
committee,
this
first
item
is
the
project
approval
assessment
and
areaway
abandonment
for
North
Loop,
paving
Street
reconstruction
project.
This
is
managed
by
Adam
Hayao
project
manager
within
the
transportation,
engineering
and
Design
Group,
who
will
present
additional
information
on
this
topic.
Thank.
C
Morning,
mr.
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
today,
I'm
here
presenting
for
the
public
hearing
for
the
north
of
paving
reconstruction
project,
City
project
number
six,
seven,
six
six,
the
proposed
project
consists
of
reconstructing
five
streets
in
the
North
Loop
neighborhood.
The
entire
project
proposes
to
reconstruct
approximately
0.8
miles
of
streets
and
include
segments
of
3rd
Street,
north
5th,
Avenue,
North,
7th,
Avenue,
North,
8th
Avenue,
north
and
finally
9th
Avenue
north.
C
The
elements
proposed
to
be
included
as
part
of
this
project
includes
new
sidewalks
88,
compliant
ramps,
intersection,
bump-outs
Boulevard,
with
grass
new
pavement
with
curbing
gutter
and
finally
utility
improvements.
The
project
will
also
be
salvaging
and
reusing
historic
materials
in
accordance
with
their
warehouse
district
heritage,
Street
plan.
The
total
project
cost
is
eight
point:
six
million
dollars
the
total
Street
reconstruction
assessment
for
the
north
paving
project
is
1
million
five
hundred
seven
thousand
five
hundred
eighty
four
dollars.
This
is
based
on
the
twenty
nine
uniform
assessment
rates.
C
City
council
provided
layout
approval
for
the
Northland
paving
project
on
March
27th
2018
prior
to
lay
approval
city
staff
conducted
numerous
outreach
activities
throughout
the
planning
and
design
of
the
project.
There
were
three
public
meetings
held
at
the
Minneapolis
Central
Library.
Furthermore,
city
staff
conducted
individual
meetings
with
numerous
property
owners
and
property
managers
in
advance
of
today's
public
hearing
staff
also
hosted
a
pre-assessment
meeting
to
provide
an
overview
of
the
project,
discuss,
plan
improvements
and
answer
any
questions
related
to
the
assessment
method
and
process.
C
This
meeting
was
held
on
November
13th
today,
public
hear
public
works
is
asking
the
City
Council
to
pass
resolution
resolutions
ordering
the
work
to
proceed,
adopting
the
special
assessments
authorizing
the
sale
of
assessment
bonds
and
authorizing
abandonment
and
removal
of
areas
in
conflict
with
the
project.
With
that,
I
conclude
my
presentation
and
I'll
stand
by
for
any
questions.
Thank.
D
Thank
You
mr.
chair,
when
we've
previously
looked
at
this
project,
it's
included
portions
of
2nd
Street
and
1st
Street
and
4th
Avenue
North,
so
I'm
just
wondering
or
have
we
split
this?
Are
we
taking
it
in
pieces?
Have
we
cut
the
project
back,
but
I
know
that
when
we
approved
it
included
more
than
just
these
streets.
D
C
B
Mr.
chair
and
councilmember
Fletcher,
if
I
might
clarify
that
project
is
separate
in
part
because
it
is
has
federal
funding
that
comes
in
through
it.
So
it
has
been
on
a
separate
and
parallel
track.
We
will
be
communicating
with
the
neighborhood
on
a
broad
variety
of
improvements.
However,
this
project
is
tracking
through
our
typical
system,
whereby
we
will
seek
layout
approval
and
then
follow
up
with
the
assessment
public
hearing,
which
is
today.
A
Thank
you
for
that
clarification,
any
other
questions
per
the
presentation.
Seeing
none
I
will
open
the
public
hearing.
This
is
for
item
number
one.
Anyone
signed
in
no
one
signed
in
anyone
wish
to
come
forward.
This
is
a
public
hearing.
Anyone
wish
to
come
forward,
seeing
none
I
will
close
the
public
hearing
and
move
the
item
before
us.
Well,
please
come
forward
and
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
E
Good
morning
morning
my
name
is
Mark:
Abramowitz
I
represent
Citadel
Investments
LLC,
and
this
is
in
respect
of
the
property
located
at
5:05
North
third
Street,
that
is
the
location
of
modish
brewery,
and
it's
at
the
intersection
of
3rd
Street,
north
and
5th
Avenue
I
have
a
I'm
here
to
make
a
comment
on
the
assess
the
special
assessment
that's
being
levied
against
the
property
for
the
project.
Let
me
say
that
I'm
not
I'm,
not
here,
to
speak
against
the
project
or
the
assessment
itself.
E
It
has
to
do
with
the
way
our
property
is
being
assessed
and
I'd
like
to
go
into
a
little
bit
of
detail
on
on
that.
Please
do
so.
As
I
said,
our
property
is
located
at
5th
and
3rd
and
in
2014
and
2015,
representatives
of
modest
brewery
and
myself
and
other
members
of
our
our
company
met
with
cpad,
because
the
building
at
that
time
had
been
was
vacant.
It
had
previously
been
a
warehouse
and
it
was
going
to
be
converted
into.
E
At
that
time,
in
our
meetings
we
were
told
that
if
we
redid
the
sidewalks
and
made
sure
that
we
did
them
in
conformance
with
the
city's
new
plans
and
that
we
made
sure
that
they
fit
within
the
right-of-way
for
5th
Avenue,
/
5th
Avenue
North
that
a
they
would
not
have
to
be
redone,
and
what
we
understood
is
that
we
would
not
be
assessed
for
work.
That
would
happen
that
would
just
to
happen
in
the
near
future.
E
When
we
first
learned
of
a
North
Slough,
paving
project,
we
attended
meetings
with
Adam
and
also
forest
hardy,
to
understand
the
project
to
also
communicate
with
them.
What
was
our
understanding
of
our
meetings
with
see
ped
as
to
how
how
our
sidewalks
would
be
affected
if
at
all,
and
if
we
would,
you
know,
be
on
a
suspect
if
we
would
be
subject
to
special
assessments
for
the
work?
That
would
be
done,
and
but
we
understood
was
that
there
was
no
way
to
be
sort
of
to
receive
any
credit
for
the
work.
E
We
did
the
work
that
we
did,
that
we
understood
was
at
the
city's
behest
and
so
I've
written
some
letters,
I've
written
letters
to
to
forest
hardy,
who
was
a
transportation,
planner
I've
also
spoken
with
Matt,
and
what
we
understand
is
because
it's
a
uniform
assessment
there's
no
way
that
we
can
receive
any
credit
for
the
work
that
we
did
and
so
what
was
curious
to
us
if
we
go
back
in
time,
is
we
had
sidewalks
on
Fifth,
Avenue
and
third
Street,
which
were
both
in
the
same
condition?
They
were
pretty
old,
somewhat
uneven.
E
We
weren't
asked
to
do
any
work
with
the
work
with
the
sidewalks
on
Third
Street,
just
Fifth
Avenue
I
I
have
a
Google,
Street
Maps
view
if
I
may
okay,
so
we
we
thought
it
was
odd
that
we
weren't
asked
to
do
any
work
on
3rd
Street.
You
know
we
did
and
we
did
the
work
on
5th
Street
and
you
can
see
here.
Here's
I'm
sorry,
fifth
avenue,
here's
Fifth
Avenue!
E
This
is
the
new
sidewalk
which
was
put
in
in
around
October
of
2015,
and
it
does
kind
of
curve
around
does
curve
around
a
third
Street
I've
spoken
to
Adam
I
was
hope
to
Adam
last
night
and
I
asked
him
based
on
the
finalized
plans
for
this
project.
What
if
any
thing
will
happen
to
our
sidewalk
on
Fifth,
Avenue
and
all
what
I
understand
is?
Is
there's
going
to
be
a
bump
out,
so
that
there's
a
larger
sidewalk
and
it's
for
pedestrian
safety
and
that
they
will
tie
back
in?
E
E
We
were
just
you
know
that
we
wouldn't
be
assessed
or
the
perhaps
it's
naive
of
me,
but
we
understood
that
the
work
that
we
did
for
the
city
and
was
only
three
years
ago
would
be
left
untouched
with
which
it
is,
and
my
understanding
is,
there's
no
way
to
receive
any
credit
via
the
special
through
the
special
assessment
and
all
when
I've
talked
to
people.
They
say
it
just
can't
be
done
where
you're
opening
up
Pandora's
box,
and
so
maybe
the
box
can't
be
open.
But
maybe
the
lid
needs
to
be
correct.
E
I've
I
understand
that
the
letters
and
the
emails
that
I
sent
had
been
sent
to
the
clerk
and
so
that
my
right
to
appeal,
the
assessment
through
the
courts
is,
is
preserved.
I've
been
to
court
on
different
issues.
It's
not
an
easy
thing
to
do.
It's
very
expensive,
I,
don't
know
this
process,
but
I
have
been
to
court
under
four
contracts,
and
so
I
wanted
to
just
bring
this
to
your
attention
and
if
there's
nothing,
that
can
be
done
so
be
it,
but
perhaps
there's.
E
This
is
something
that
needs
to
be
looked
at
and
when
property
owners
and
not
all
property
owners
in
the
North
Loop
are
big
developers.
Many
people
are
small
businessmen.
Like
myself,
I
mean
this.
Property
has
been
in
my
family
for
since
1968,
and
so
the
neighborhood
is
a
lot
different
than,
but
maybe
something
needs
to
be
done
so
that
these
issues
don't
happen
again,
because
the
investment
that
we
made
in
the
sidewalk
was
an
investment
that
we
could
have
made
in
our
new
tenant.
It
was
money
that
we
didn't
we
wouldn't
have
had
to
borrow.
E
Had
we
known
had
we
been
given
the
opportunity
to
perhaps
make
some
changes
to
the
grade
or
to
fix
the
curbing,
which
was
in
pretty
poor
condition.
At
that
time
we
met
with
the
city,
we
would
have
been
in
a
different
situation
and
we
would
have
had
maybe
an
option
that
we
didn't
have
so
I.
This
is
this
is
what
I
wanted
to
say
and
I
just
wanted
to
bring
it
to
your
attention.
I.
Thank
you
for
this
time.
Thank.
A
You
anyone
else
wish
to
come
forward
on
this
matter.
If
not,
maybe
staff
can
comment
on
the
assessment
process
and
maybe
some
clarity,
given
that
we
do
have
two
projects
with
to
funding
tracks.
As
noted
in
councilmember
Fletcher's
earlier
inquiry,
is
that
playing
a
factor
in
this
sort
of
situation
with
a
constituent
anyone
project
person
come
forward
and
make
comment
or
the
assessment
person.
F
Good
morning,
mr.
chair
Danielle,
wood,
director
of
transportation
engineering
design,
first
question
is
the
assessment
we're
here
today
for
an
assessment.
Public
hearing
the
property
owner
has
preserved
their
right
to
appeal
and
I.
Want
you
to
understand
we're
still
working
with
that
property
owner
to
find
out
what
we
can
do.
That's
consistent
in
uniform,
because
the
the
assessment
to
the
property
is
for
the
entire
project,
maybe
not
just
a
section
of
curb
and
gutter
or
a
section
of
sidewalk.
F
F
Number
two
is
with
the
North
Loop
pedestrian
improvement
project.
That
is
a
federal
project.
That's
coming
through
to
do
spot
location
intersection,
improvements
could
be,
bump-outs
could
be
signal
systems.
That
is
a
federal
project
that
is
separate.
Running
concurrently
with
us
will
be
done
at
the
same
time
as
this,
but
it's
a
separate
project.
The
assessments
for
those
typically
are
not
done,
because
they're
just
spot
intersection,
improvements
that
are
doing
signal
systems
and
other
upgrades
for
safety,
and
it's
federally
funded,
fair.
D
More
of
a
general
issue
that
we've
got
to
get
better
at
coordinating
our
Street
work
with
development.
We've
got
to
get
better
at
coordinating
so
that
when
somebody
is
making
improvements
as
they
do
a
construction
project
as
they
make
these
kind
of
improvements
that
it
is
getting
factored
into
our
other
projects
and
these
things
are
getting
sequenced
and
timed
out
so
that
we're
not
duplicating
projects.
This
just
feels,
like
I
mean
he
just
put
in
this
kerb.
D
This
is
happening
a
little
too
much,
so
I
really
want
to
see
us
make
some
changes
and
improve
our
capacity
to
coordinate
the
work
that
property
owners
are
doing
so
that
we're
asking
them
to
make
the
improvements
that
we're
planning
to
make
anyway,
so
that
we
can
create
some
efficiencies
not
be
having
curbs
installed,
only
to
rip
them
up
and
and
reassess
and
I'm,
pretty
frustrated.
I
think
we
can
hear
that
the
property
owner
is
pretty
frustrated.
I
think
this
is
something
that
we're
as
we're
taking
on
a
lot
of
development.
D
This
is
something
that
we've
really
got
to
build
our
capacity
for
so
I'll,
be
working
on
that
I
look
forward
to
working
with
all
of
you
on
that,
both
in
the
case
of
the
specific
property
owner,
but
more
generally,
for
our
city.
This
is
something
that
we
got
to
get
better
at
Thank,
You,
council,
member.
A
G
Thank
you.
I
was
just
a
little
bit
curious
about
changing
the
assessment
amount,
changing
the
uniform
assessment
we
heard
from
the
person
who
testified
saying
that
that
really
can't
be
done.
It's
hard
for
me
to
believe
that
that
it
couldn't
be
done,
and
so
I'm
curious.
Is
that
something
that
the
council
has
the
authority
to
do
or
is
that
something
that
can
be
negotiated
with
staff?
Where
does
that
decision?
Point
actually
lie?
I
understand
it
might
be
something
we
don't
want
to
do
very
often.
G
Obviously
we
set
the
policy
of
having
a
uniform
assessment,
so
it
was
clean
and
it
was
simple
and
it
was
clear
and
everybody
knows
what
they're
getting
into,
but
I
suspect
there's
some
Authority.
We
have
somewhere
so
that
we
can
deal
with
problems
you
get
like
this
and
with
development
projects.
They
come
up
and
I'm,
hoping
that
that
authority
lies
with
the
council,
but
maybe
we're
gonna
say
it
doesn't
me
have
to
go
to
court
about
it,
but
maybe
you
can
help
me
understand.
H
Mr.
chair
council,
member
Gordon,
the
uniformity
requirement
that
mr.
Elwood
mentioned
is
a
legal
requirement
for
all
assessments.
So
the
point
being
made
is
that
if
we
were
to
change
the
approach
to
one
property
would
have
to
change
it
for
all
of
them,
benefiting
from
the
same
improvement.
So
it
would
require
taking
up
a
major
step
back
and
looking
at
the
rate
and.
A
If
I
may
add
just
within
those
parameters,
because
there's
a
unique
situation
with
a
certain
aspect
of
the
project,
I
think
there's
some
administrative
wiggle
room
that
they're
exploring
because
of
that
unique
contribution
at
a
previous
work
done
with
him.
The
overall
project,
I
guess
that's
what's
being
explored,
but
broaching
a
legal
framework
of
our
uniform
assessment
is
route
with
specific
and
universal
problems.
It.
G
Sounds
like
it
so
who's
legal.
What
authority
put
that
legal
framework
in
place.
H
H
G
Well,
maybe
we
should
look
at
what
kind
of
resolution
and
action
we
took
to
adopt
that
and
make
sure
that
we
wrote
some
flexibility
into
that,
so
that
there
would
be
some
way
for
us
to
count.
I
mean
I,
don't
know
what
the
solution
is,
but
I'd
actually
be
more
comfortable
if
the
council
was
involved
in
the
wiggle
room
too,
so
that
I
mean
I
I
appreciate
that
it
sounds
like.
G
Maybe
what
we'll
come
up
with
is
some
idea
like
I
guess
the
whole
cost
of
the
project
is
a
little
bit
less
because
this
sidewalk
was
put
in
so
now.
Everybody's
assessments
gonna
go
down
a
little
bit
or
something
like
that.
I
mean
I'm,
trying
to
think
of
what
creative
gymnastics
we're
gonna
go
through
to
make
it
all
fit
together
and
so
I.
G
H
D
A
Believe
staff
had
indicated
that,
because
there
was
an
increment,
an
incremental
investment
that
that's
been
explored
as
something
that
could
be,
and
can
you
explain
what
that
means:
somebody's
well
staff
you
come
forward.
I
won't
have
to
speak
for
you,
but
I
think
I
know
where
they're
going
with
it.
F
F
D
F
That
may
be
a
mr.
chair
customer
Fletcher.
That
may
be
a
technical
question
that
I'll
ask
our
attorney
on.
Is
it
actually
through
court
or
it's
the
the
process
by
which
you
appeal
your
assessments?
Does
it
actually
go
to
a
courtroom
or
or
how
that
process
works
legally
the
legal
terms
and
I'm
a
little
out
of
my
area
of
expertise
so.
D
So
the
implication
from
the
comments
earlier
was
that
there's
some
wiggle
room
and
we're
trying
to
work
something
out
and
I'm
trying
to
understand
if
I'm
being
asked
to
approve
something
today.
Are
we
in
fact
trying
to
work
something
out?
Is
there
room
or
is
a
mr.
Elwood's
answer,
the
correct
one
that
they
can
appeal
and
that
then,
like
they
have
a
right
to
take
us
to
court
to
say
this
isn't
right.
D
So
are
we
kicking
this
to
the
courts
and
putting
in
through
a
legal
process?
Is
this
something
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
what
what
is
actually
the
process
here
and
is
there
actually
some
remedy
for
this
property
owner,
or
are
we
approving
this
with
the
the
full
assessment
for
a
property
owner
who
thought
that
he
was
building
something
to
what
we
needed?
I
just
want
to
understand,
what's
happening
so.
H
The
answer
to
that
question
is
both
of
those
are
a
possibility,
so
staff
does
have
the
ability
to
go
back
and
adjust
the
uniform
assessment
rate
in
the
situation
or
some
other
aspect
of
the
assessment
on
a
uniform
basis
for
all
properties
or
if
the
result
doesn't
satisfy
the
property
owner.
He
does
still
have
the
right
to
appeal.
The
district
court.
D
Guess
my
other
question
would
be:
is
there
a
time
sensitivity
to
passing
this
today,
or
could
we
kick
this
to
next
cycle
so
that
I
have
a
chance
to
learn
more
about
this
process
offline?
Because
I
really
don't
feel
like
we're
this
there's
something
that
doesn't
feel
right
about
the
way
this
is
being
treated
and
I'm
wanting
to
learn
more
about
it
before
we
go
to
a
proof,
if
it's
possible,
how.
D
A
Member
Fletcher
has
made
the
motion
to
approve
without
a
recommendation,
noting
that
there
will
be
inquiries
as
to
how
to
resolve
the
matter
that
was
presented
before
us.
Any
further
conversation,
seeing
none
all
in
favor,
say:
aye
aye
dissent,
a
name
that
moves
forward
as
noted,
and
then
we
go
to
item
2.
Are
the
8th,
Street,
South,
Hennepin
Avenue
to
Chicago
Avenue,
Street
reconstruction
project
project
approval
assessment
and
everyway
abandonment,
director
Hutchinson.
Mr.
B
C
Thank
you
again,
mr.
chair
members
of
the
committee
I'm
here
today
again
to
present
for
the
public
hearing
for
the
8th,
Street
South
reconstruction
project.
City
project
number
2
287.
The
proposed
project
consists
of
reconstructing
the
8th
Street
South
between
Hennepin
Avenue
and
Chicago
Avenue.
The
Ellen
is
proposed
to
be
included
as
part
of
the
project
includes
new
sidewalks
88
compliant
ramps,
new
new
pavement
with
curb
and
gutter
and
utility
improvements.
The
project
will
also
include
streetscaping,
curb
bump
outs,
pedestrian
level,
street
lighting
signal
improvements,
new
signage
and
new
pavement
markings.
C
The
total
project
cost
is
eighteen
point:
five
million
dollars
the
total
Street
reconstruction
assessment
for
a
street
is
1
million,
437,000
and
$43.
This
is
based
on
the
29
uniform
assessment
rates.
The
rest
of
the
funding
sources
include
a
federal
grant
municipal
state
aid
funds,
cash
transfers,
net
debt
bonds
and
stormwater
revenue.
City
council
provided
layout
approval
for
a
street
project
on
March
28th
2017
prior
to
layout
approval
city
staff,
conducted
extensive
public
outreach
activities
throughout
the
planning
and
design
of
the
project.
C
This
includes
several
project,
open
houses
and
numerous
meetings
with
neighborhood
associations,
residents,
businesses
and
other
project
stakeholders
in
advance
of
today's
public
hearing
staff,
hosted
a
pre-assessment
meeting
to
provide
an
overview
of
the
project,
discuss
planned
improvements
and
answer
any
questions
related
to
the
assessment
method
and
process.
This
meeting
was
held
on
November
14th
today.
Public
works
is
acts
and
City
Council
to
pass
resolutions
or
during
the
work
to
proceed,
adopting
the
special
assessments
authorizing
self
assessment
bonds
and
authorizing
abandonment
and
removal
areas
in
conflict
with
the
project.
A
You
any
questions:
/
the
staff
presentation,
seeing
none
I
will
open
the
public
hearing,
I've
been
noted
by
the
Curt
clerk
that
there's
no
one
signed
in
and
no
letters
submitted.
Anyone
here
present
wish
to
come
forward.
Anyone
here
wish
to
come
forward.
Please
come
forward
and
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
I
Hello,
my
name's
Mike
Noble
I'm,
the
innkeeper
at
the
Normandie
Inn
at
4:05
southeast
street,
here
downtown
I'm,
very
pleased
and
excited
to
know
about
the
great
improvements
coming
to
8th
Street
and
we're
definitely
all
for
it.
It's
going
to
make
the
city
significantly
better.
In
my
opinion,
the
one
thing,
though,
that
I
just
wanted
to
express
my
concern
about
is
the
area
way.
I
Certainly,
you
know
it
is
a
public
right-of-way,
but
could
there
be
some
other
options
to
just
abandonment?
Could
there
be
area
away
fees
and
its
annual
inspection
fees
and
standards
of
construction
that
could
be
imposed
and
people,
then
property
owners
would
have
the
choice?
Do
I
want
to
spend
the
money
to
uphold
this?
You
know
structural,
certain
conditions
of
construction
that
conform
with
city
requirements
and
am
I
willing
to
pay
the
annual
fee.
I
So
can
that
be
an
option
for
property
owners
that
again,
such
as
ourselves
have
had
area
ways
that
have
been
openly
and
evidently
and
freely
used
for
decades
and
decades,
and
now
we
to
remove
them
would
present
a
very
major
cost,
perhaps
we'd
like
to
pay
a
fee
and
comply
with
some
standards
of
construction.
So
thank
you
for
hearing
my
thought
on
that.
No.
A
F
F
F
Chair
that
is
correct,
and
we
do
this
on
many
projects
where
sometimes
we
don't
know
where
all
the
area
ways
are.
We
want
that
ability
to
keep
the
project
moving,
and
so
we
get
the
authority
to
order
the
abandonment
of
very
ways
on
projects
I
checked
with
the
project
manager.
That
area
way
is
not
in
conflict
at
this
time
and
can
remain
in
place
very.
A
Good
well
continue
to
be
in
conversation
of
all
people
affected
by
the
project
and
in
terms
of
your
thought,
provoking
question
I.
Think
staff
can
take
that
to
heart
and
and
understand
how
we
can
utilize
our
right
away
as
it's
being
used
by
private
and
public
interests
throughout
our
city.
With
that
I've
seen
other
people
coming
forward
to
make
comment,
I
will
close
the
public
hearing
and
entertain
a
motion
to
approve
it's
been
moved.
A
We
will
now
have
have
any
discussion,
if
desired
by
committee
members,
seeing
none
all
in
favor,
say
aye
centi
name
that
carries,
and
that
concludes
our
public
hearing
section
items
1
&
2.
We
now
move
to
a
discussion
section,
and
this
is
going
to
be
sort
of
continuation
of
our
previous
presentation
in
terms
of
the
operations
as
proposed
for
our
future
water
facility.
It's
really
just
an
operational
update.
It's
been
a
little
bit
of
time
since
we
had
the
first
one.
A
B
This
is
an
update
of
the
planning
activities
that
have
occurred
over
the
last
couple
of
years,
specifically
related
to
the
Public
Works
functional
needs
for
the
site,
which
is
the
topic
that
is
germane
to
the
Transportation
and
Public
Works
Committee.
This
is
a
receive
and
file
item
decisions
related
to
property
and
work.
B
That's
been
led
out
of
finance
and
property
services
will
be
at
rest
next
week
through
ways
and
means
for
today
I'm
going
to
introduce
Lisa
cerny,
the
Deputy
Director
of
Public
Works
and
the
city
engineer
to
present
information
related
to
Public
Works
functional
needs
for
the
site.
I
want
to
note
that
this
is
a
multidisciplinary
project
and
topic,
and
we
have
our
partners
here
today:
Mark
Roth
and
Bob
Friddle
from
finance
and
property
services
as
well
as
David
Frank.
Together,
we
have
been
a
strong
team
working
with
the
community
working
with
the
council.
B
A
B
J
J
J
You
can
see
in
these
photos
that
there
are
a
number
of
conditions
that
exist
in
our
facility
that
are
not
ideal
for
our
employees.
The
building
is
not
a
DEA
compliant,
there's
not
a
way
to
get
into
the
building
without
climbing
a
flight
of
steps
once
you're
in
that
building
the
only
way
to
get
to
some
of
the
conference
rooms.
Locker
rooms
is
by
a
flight
of
steps,
so
that
building
is
not
a
DEA
compliant.
Today,.
J
Also,
at
the
site,
we
have
vehicles
that
carry
tools
and
equipment
to
make
repairs
and
improvements
on
our
pipe
systems.
We
have
over
a
thousand
miles
of
water
pipes,
folks,
there
also
perform
metal
fabrication,
which
is
a
key
component
to
the
parts
and
pieces
of
the
water
system.
Those
parts
and
pieces
are
also
stored
at
the
facility
in
order
to
allow
staff
to
respond
at
a
moment's
notice
to
water
main
breaks
and
or
planned
work.
J
The
water
distribution
and
meter
team
are
a
group
of
people
that
makes
sure
that
over
55
million
gallons
of
drinking
water
gets
from
our
treatment
facility
in
Fridley
to
faucets
in
Minneapolis
and
seven
other
municipalities
safely
and
reliably
the
water
gets
to
homes
through
over
a
thousand
miles
of
pipes
under
our
city
streets.
This
group
also
makes
sure
that
the
fire
hydrants
that
you
see
out
in
the
right
away
are
functioning
and
operating
for
fire
department
to
respond
in
emergency
situations
as
well.
J
Some
of
the
surface
water
and
sewers
team
are
currently
located
at
our
Hiawatha
facility.
Others
are
located
in
the
city
of
lakes,
building
downtown
and
also
the
south
transfer
station
south
of
the
Hiawatha
facility.
The
goal
of
this
project
is
to
consolidate
the
majority
of
the
field:
crews
with
the
designers,
the
outreach
team
and
the
regulatory
oversight
group
in
a
single
location,
consolidation
increases
coordination
between
planning,
modeling
regulatory
operations
and
capital
work.
J
J
I
have
a
few
pictures
to
share
with
of
what
the
site
looked
like
in
the
1990s.
At
that
point.
In
time,
the
city
operated
its
own
concrete
and
asphalt
plant
at
the
Hiawatha
campus
to
support
our
paving
and
street
operations.
You
can
see
conveyor
belts,
bins,
used
to
store
aggregates
and
fly
ash
and
cement,
which
is
the
fine
material
used
in
making
concrete
the
mixing
chambers
to
make
the
final
concrete
and
asphalt
products
for
our
roadways.
J
J
One
of
the
next
steps
in
the
project
history
was
in
2001
Council,
reaffirmed
the
plan
to
expand
the
Hiawatha
campus
and
authorized
staff
to
have
discussions
for
the
acquisition
of
the
roof
depot
that
was
originally
identified
in
phase
1.
Those
conversations
in
2001
did
not
lead
to
acquisition
and
phase
1
planning
continued
and
was
completed
in
2010.
J
This
is
what
the
facility
looks
like
today:
phase
1
focused
on
good
environmental
practices
and
achieved
a
Platinum
Leadership
in
Energy
and
Environmental
Design
or
LEED
certification,
reuse
of
the
buildings,
tunnels
and
other
material
was
an
important
design
and
implementation
component
of
for
the
success
of
the
project.
The
building
for
those
of
you
that
haven't
been
down
there.
The
building
on
the
right
was
repurposed
and
is
currently
office
space
for
the
facility.
The
left
side
of
the
building
is
new:
that's
the
locker
room,
break
room
and
additional
office
space.
J
This
is
just
another
view
from
the
sable
bridge.
The
team
currently
at
Hiawatha
takes
pride
in
working
on
and
maintaining
the
over
1,000
miles
of
street
85
miles
of
off
street
bike,
lane
820
miles
of
sanitary,
sewers
and
565
miles
of
stormwater
pipes,
in
addition
to
being
the
central
location
for
our
street,
sweep
pothole
patching
snow
and
ice
control
and
other
daily
and
seasonal
activities.
J
J
Again
in
2015
campus
consolidation
was
of
interest
and
staff
were
directed
to
negotiate
the
acquisition
of
roof
depot
for
the
Public
Works
water
and
distribution
group
elections,
property
and
evidence
were
also
possible
uses
at
that
time.
In
2016,
the
city
purchased
took
ownership
of
the
property
shortly
after
that,
the
city
of
shortly
after
the
city
took
ownership
staff
started
conversations
with
the
community.
At
our
first
meeting,
community
members
shared
an
idea
for
an
engagement
process
that
was
followed
for
another
project
in
this
general
community.
J
The
process
that
they
shared
with
us
identified
a
smaller
group
of
community
members
to
serve
on
an
advisory
committee
to
inform
the
design
that
discussion
led
to
the
formation
of
the
GAC
or
the
guideline
Advisory
Committee
and
with
the
help
of
NCR.
We
took
that
we
we
we
began
that
process
residents
applied
to
NCR
and
were
selected
to
participate
staff
also
attended,
neighborhood,
requested
meetings
and
hosted
other
city
sponsored
meetings
out
in
the
community.
J
Community
engagement
has
informed
the
master
planning
concepts
to
date
and
will
continue
to
need
to
define
the
details
around
the
green
space.
The
buffer
space
and
art
staff
recognizes
that
some
community
members
feel
disappointed
that
options
developed
do
not
include
three
acres
of
community
space
staff
and
our
consultants
have
spent
a
significant
amount
of
time
reviewing
our
work
process.
What
square
footage
do
we
need?
How
do
we
work,
refining
our
vehicles
and
equipment
inventory?
How
can
we
share
more?
What
else
can
we
do?
Is
technology
changing?
J
J
The
Public
Works
facility
also
provides
more
than
470
living
wage
jobs
with
benefits
in
the
neighborhood,
which
is
part
of
a
racially
concentrated
area
of
poverty.
Many
of
these
jobs
are
also
green
jobs
related
to
the
distribution
of
clean
drinking
water
and
focus
on
preserving
the
quality
of
water
in
our
rivers,
lakes
and
streams.
Since
2012
we've
hired
179
employees
in
the
only
in
the
specific
work
groups
that
are
would
be
located
at
the
Hiawatha
campus
expansion.
J
That
group
of
folks
receives
a
lot
of
on-the-job
training
in
order
to
help
them
help
them
be
successful
as
they
grow
into
other
positions
at
the
city
of
Minneapolis
in
Public
Works.
The
other
end
of
the
spectrum
that
is
part
of
that
hundred
and
seventy-nine
are
very
top-level
professional
technical
positions.
The
majority
are
in
that
service
worker
level.
J
J
Moving
on
to
the
opportunities
that
could
exist
at
the
Hiawatha
facility,
we
believe
the
opportunities
at
Hiawatha
make
it
better.
The
best
site
for
Public
Works
expansion
having
a
single
location
for
our
operational
teams
working
in
the
right
away,
provides
great
opportunities
for
communication
and
coordination
of
our
work
for
the
next
100
years.
When
staff
from
different
work
groups
are
at
a
single
site,
it
increases
our
operational
efficiencies
by
creating
opportunities
to
share
equipment
and
other
fleet,
especially
some
of
those
specialized
vehicles
or
things
that
are
used
at
peak
times
by
different
work
groups.
J
J
We
are
able
to
consolidate
and
reduce
the
footprint
of
material
stored.
Almost
all
of
the
different
workgroups
need
to
use
piles
of
class
five
or
aggregate.
We
can
reduce
that
footprint
when
we
have
multiple
people
using
using
that
at
that
facility,
and
also
because
it's
centrally
located
in
the
city,
there
are
fewer
vehicle
miles
that
would
need
to
be
traveled.
J
In
addition,
within
the
building,
there
are
opportunities
to
share
locker
room
space
conference,
room
space,
break
room
space
and
then
also
the
repair
space
for
equipment
and
vehicles
moving
some
of
our
light
fleet
maintenance
work
to
this
site
also
improved
because
we
have
so
many
vehicles
at
the
site.
It
it
reduces
the
vehicle
miles
traveled
within
the
neighborhood
and
city
central
location
is
critical
to
ensure
we're
able
to
respond
quickly
to
needs
all
over
the
city
day
and
night.
J
I'm
going
to
talk
about
some
of
the
project
elements
with
pictures,
the
redevelopment
of
the
southern
area
provides
an
opportunity
to
do
the
necessary
environmental
remediation,
stormwater
management
creation
of
green
space
and
buffer
for
the
community.
It
can
also
be
a
great
space
for
public
art.
This
picture
is
just
an
example
of
what
could
be
done
along
Longfellow
in
28th.
J
Public
Works
also
needs
to
be
able
to
store
material.
We
need
space
for
things
like
manhole
covers.
We
have
over
25
thousand
manholes
in
just
sewer
sanitary
and
storm
water.
We
need
catch
basins,
structures,
we
need
fire
hydrants.
If
a
car
hits
a
fire
hydrant,
we
need
to
be
able
to
have
that
stuff
on
hand.
Go
out.
There
fix
it
again,
so
that
emergence
others
can
respond
to
to
emergency
situations.
J
J
J
J
This
consolidation
does
increase
the
number
of
employees
at
the
site
by
over
a
hundred
and
forty
people.
This
means
that
there's
more
staff
coming
to
work.
This
means
that
there's
more
equipment
and
vehicles
at
the
there
will
be
an
increase
of
97
work
vehicles
and
equipment.
As
a
result
of
the
consolidation
of
that,
what's
important
to
understand
that
that
number
includes
trailers
and
things
like
skid
steers,
so
one
or
two
people
may
get
in
a
truck
and
leave
from
that
site
in
order
to
go,
do
their
work
with
three
pieces
of
equipment.
J
The
consultant
completed
a
traffic
study
for
both
the
internal
circulation
of
the
site,
as
well
as
the
external
circulation
of
the
site.
The
results
show
a
1.6
percent
of
average
daily
vehicles,
traveled
increase
in
this
area.
Most
of
that
is
related
to
employees
arriving
for
work
or
going
home
at
the
end
of
the
day,
impacts
can
be
mitigated
by
continuing
to
grow
our
pipeline
of
employees
from
the
neighborhood
following
the
idling
policy
distributing
start
times
to
reduce
the
peak
and
good
site
design.
J
When
the
facility
first
opened
in
2010,
we
were
lining
about
maybe
a
thousand
miles
of
our
sanitary
pipe.
We
were
doing
our
CI
PP
lining
for
about
two
weeks
out
of
the
year.
What
we
have
learned
is
that
is
a
very
effective
and
efficient
way
to
extend
the
life
of
our
our
pipe
system.
So
today
we
are
doing
that
work
for
almost
seven
months
out
of
the
year
and
we're
able
to
do
accomplish
about
a
little
over
seven
miles
annually,
extending
the
life
of
those
pipes
by
50
years.
J
J
Moving
on
to
the
recruitment
and
training
center,
this
graph
shows
the
number
of
retirements
expected
in
public
works
over
the
next
ten
years.
It's
somewhat
overwhelming
to
me
and
making
that
makes
it
critical
to
have
a
plan
to
provide
training
for
new
and
existing
employees
to
ensure
their
success.
Right
now
we
are
in
the
middle
of
a
large
hiring
process
for
about
40
public
works
service
worker
trainees,
public
works
service,
worker
ones,
public
works,
service,
worker
twos,
water
service,
worker
trainees
and
water,
water
service
worker
ones.
J
This
is
the
overall
diversity
of
Public
Works.
We
are
continuing
to
work
on
increasing
the
diversity
of
our
workforce.
Today,
24
percent
of
our
workforce
is
comprised
of
people
of
color.
We
are
seeing
a
positive
change
in
our
diversity
as
a
result
of
the
recruiting
and
pathway
programs
that
I've
already
mentioned
this
year
alone.
J
Monique
attended
over
30
recruit
recruitment.
Events
more
needs
to
be
done
to
build
both
our
pipeline
of
employees
and
diversify
our
workforce.
A
training
center
located
in
one
of
the
most
diverse
neighborhoods
in
Minneapolis
increases
our
opportunity
to
make
connections
with
the
community
throughout
the
year
rather
than
just
during
the
month
of
October,
which
is
our
typical
hiring
process.
A.
J
J
J
One
is
the
need
to
provide
space
for
classroom
type
of
space
for
training,
so
that
employees
are
well
informed
and
able
to
do
their
work
being
able
to
access
simulators
also
helps
prepare,
prepare
them
for
work
in
the
industry.
A
second
key
component
is
to
provide
technology.
Training
technology
needs
are
growing
rapidly
and
will
continue
to
change
the
way
we
do
work.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
our
employees
stay
competitive
so
that
we
can
be
effective.
Stewards
of
the
city's
infrastructure.
J
And
finally,
on
the
first
floor
is
a
sandbox
or
shop
area
which
would
provide
hands-on
training.
This
is
really
key,
as
we
bring
in
a
lot
of
new
employees
to
be
able
to
provide
a
space
for
them
to
touch
feel
move
the
dirt
so
that
when
they
go
out
and
they're
working
in
the
right
away-
and
we
have
people
walking
on
sidewalks
riding
their
bike
rolling
or
driving
there
they're
better
aware
of
their
surroundings,
and
they
can
do
their
job
more
safely
and
efficiently.
J
Public
Works
has
had
very
positive
conversations
with
local
labor
organizations,
community
planning
and
economic
development,
Minneapolis
Park
and
Recreation
Board
about
concepts
of
a
recruitment
and
training
center
and
very
quickly
with
all
of
those
organizations.
We
identified
a
common
goal
in
building
the
pipeline
of
our
future
workforce
and
retaining
the
workforce
that
we
have
today.
There's
a
value
for
this
type
of
facility
centrally
located
and
accessible
by
bus
train
bike.
Our
foot.
A
D
I
think
mr.
chair,
one
of
the
things
you
mentioned
was
the
efficiency
of
combining
the
sights
and
sort
of
having
those
together
and
I
know
that
people
have
been
raising
questions
about
whether
this
could
be
located
somewhere
else
and
I'm,
trying
to
understand
the
actual
cost
or
the
actual
benefit.
B
B
A
I
may
add
in
and
of
course,
the
process
since
2001
or
even
91
is
to
have
consolidated,
say
it's
not
split
sites,
the
very
have
split
sites.
I
guess
part
of
the
inquiry
could
be
knowing
that
we
are
in
the
policy
framework
of
consolidated
sites.
We
did
some
analysis
to
pick
this
site
for
and
there's
a
sort
of
cost
benefit,
perhaps
embedded
in
that
data
and
analysis
that
could
be
brought
forward,
an
ethnicity
now
on
the
fly,
but
for
council
members,
and
in
addition
to
that
you
know
maybe
some
cost
comparison.
B
Right
and
councilmember
Fletcher
to
provide
just
a
bit
more
rounding
out
to
that
consolidation,
which
we
are
doing
in
a
number
of
areas
in
Public
Works,
will
allow
us
to
save
time
in
travel,
environmentally
the
reduction
of
vehicle
miles
traveled
and
will
allow
us
to
reduce
the
number
of
resources
we
need
to
serve
multiple
divisions
at
one
time.
Therefore,
saving
money.
K
K
Our
residents
and
those
who
rely
on
our
city
for
water
I
also
want
to
say
that,
as
we
look
out
even
ten
years,
we
are
anticipating
significantly
more
flooding
from
climate
change.
We
are
planning
for
that.
But
again
it's
just
sort
of
reamped
Assizes
the
need
for
us
to
be
ready
to
operate
at
a
high
level
of
capacity
for
dealing
with
flooding
and
our
water
system
repairs
and
that
will
damage
property.
I,
know
more
and
more
council
members
will
start
to
hear
from
constituents
as
floods
increase
and
property
damage
is
result
results.
K
Those
two
statements
said
I
wanted
to
come
back
to
a
couple
of
things
that
we
discussed
last
term
around
this
decision.
One
is:
could
you
or
perhaps
property
services
or
finance
talk
about
the
site
where
the
water
yard
exists
today
and
what
the
future
for
that
site
will
be
and
sort
of
the
timelines
around
that
site.
L
Mr.
chair
council
president,
the
existing
water
yard
site
is
designated
to
become
a
new
fire
station.
That's
really
relocated
from
in
Northeast
Minneapolis,
this
fire
station
11.
If
I
remember
correctly,
that
is
in
our
long-term
capital
funding
plan
that
fire
station,
like
other
facilities,
is
age
and
a
needed
replacement.
It'll
be
a
better
location
for
service
as
well.
So
as
soon
as
that
site
is
vacated,
then
we
will
be
moving
forward
with
the
construction
of
that
fire
station
with
net
deadlines.
A
Thank
you
any
further
questions
for
the
operation.
I
will
note
that
we
did
get
a
significant
update
now
I
think
there
was
a
in
the
previous
presentation.
Contemplating
different
departments
may
be
using
it.
Clearly,
that's
not
part
of
the
operation.
Now
it's
pretty
much
your
facility
plus.
The
training,
though,
does
invite
potentially
parking
Park
and
Rec
and
insofar
as
they
have
workforces
with
similar
skill
needs,
so
that
would
be
the
significant
update
from
the
previous
one
any
further
commentary
from
director
Hutchinson
in
closing.
Oh,
oh.
M
M
You
mr.
chair
appreciate
being
recognized
so
first
of
all,
I
just
want
to
welcome
the
community.
Thank
you
for
being
here.
Thank
you
for
coming
to
learn
about
your
local
government
and
what
your
taxpayer
dollars
are
doing
for
you
or
on
you.
M
So
I
want
to
speak
briefly
to
come
from
or
Fletcher's
comments,
because
I
think
it's
important
to
unpack
a
little
bit
of
the
narrative
around
this
project
to
have
more
clarity
about
what
the
main
issue
really
is
here
and
so
I
think
we've
been
able
to
see
that
no
one,
as
opposed
to
having
the
city,
continue
to
provide
essential
functions
to
residents
in
nearby
cities.
On
this
issue,
no
one
is
saying
the
city
should
not
have
a
new
facility.
M
M
M
I
get
scared
thinking
about
what
that
process
was
like
back
in
1991
and
how
many
folks
didn't
know
what
their
communities
were
being
planned
for
and
so
bringing
that
conversation
to
today
to
2018
I.
Don't
expect
council
members
to
immediately
become
experts
on
this
issue
and
to
understand
what
those
five
years
worth
of
work
has
been
about,
and
so
the
comment
about
you
know
this
is
such
an
environmental
injustice
and,
let's
move
it
to
Norris.
No
one
is
saying
move
it
to
north.
M
There
are
other
council
members
who
do
not
represent
the
south
side,
who
represent
other
parts
of
the
city
that
have
been
engaging
on
this
topic.
That's
not
a
bad
thing.
I!
Welcome
that
input.
I.
Welcome
that
engagement.
No
specific
direction
has
been
given
on
on
that
specific
issue,
but
no
one's
ramming
this
project
out
anybody's
throat
I
mean
that
is,
that
is
what
I
felt
has
been
done
to
the
Ninth
Ward.
But
that's
certainly
not
what
I
want
to
do
to
other
councilmembers.
M
The
reason
why
this
discussion
is
so
complicated
is
because
it
is
in
an
overburdened
community
that
has
been
that
currently
faces
and
shoulders
a
lot
of
the
impact
of
two
major
industrial
polluters
in
our
neighborhood
that
are
nestled
by
the
Greenway
and
that
are
very
close
in
proximity
to
our
city's
first
light
rail
line,
the
blue
line
and
it's
an
area
that
should
be
touted
as
a
transit,
oriented
development
project
for
community
benefits,
and
so
the
question
is:
how
are
we
defining
community
benefits
because
we
can
say
at
clean
water?
Is
a
community
benefit?
M
We
can
say
delivering
on
the
Winona.
Laduke
dream
is
a
community
benefit,
and
so
we,
as
elected
officials,
will
have
to
define
what
that
community
benefit
is
and
then
align
our
decisions
to
that.
So
putting
the
issues
of
narrative
aside
and
the
history
and
who
was
involved
or
wasn't
involved
in
a
1991
decision.
I
do
have
two
specific
questions
for
staff
and
perhaps
our
the
chair
of
the
committee.
So
yesterday,
when
the
committee
chair
and
I
had
a
chance
to
check
in
on
this,
there
was
a
comment
about
how
some
community
questions
had
come
forward.
M
When
community
met
with
the
chairman
yesterday
and
that
the
staff
would
be
ready
to
answer
those
questions,
today,
I'd
like
to
hear
what
those
questions
were
and
hear
a
response
to
them.
I,
don't
personally,
have
a
copy
of
all
those
questions
and
I'm
not
sure
if
they
were
emailed
to
staff
or
if
they
were
emailed
to
somebody
else,
but
it
would
be
great
to
have
a
response
to
those
questions
that
came
out
from
yesterday's
meeting
on
this
project
preparing
for
today
and
then.
M
My
second
question
is
over
the
last
probably
two
years
we've
seen
we
meaning
staff
myself
community
members
at
large
public
meetings
that
included
hundreds
of
people
have
seen
multiple
visuals,
where
there
would
be
a
Public
Works
facility
expansion
coupled
with
a
community
space
and
I,
didn't
see
any
of
that
information
today
and
it
it
feels
a
little
disjointed
that
I've
been
carrying
out
this
message
in
the
community.
Saying:
hey
guys.
M
We
can
make
this
an
awesome
shared
project,
let's
figure
it
out,
let's
work
together
and
then
I
get
here
today,
and
none
of
that
is
being
presented
and
so
I'm
not
quite
sure,
who's
being
bamboozled.
If
it's
like
me,
if
it's
the
community,
if
it's
both
us
or
what's
going
on,
so
it
would
be
great
just
to
have
information
from
staff
about
why
those
visuals
weren't
presented
today.
What's
what's
the
plan,
what
was
the
approach?
What
was
the
analysis?
A
Just
broadly
speaking,
in
terms
of
process,
there
was
a
thought
from
the
home
committee
and
the
home
committee
is
the
reporting
department,
which
is
finance
and
facilities
as
that's
their
jurisdiction
that
the
chair
had
made
my
brought
to
my
attention
that
there's
many
aspects
that
are
not
germane
to
his
committee
per
se
and
that
he
asked.
But
could
we
break
up
the
conversation
and
I
said?
Well?
If
we
stick
within
our
swimlanes,
so
to
speak
from
a
committee
perspective,
we
could
have
an
informational
update
which
actually
was
overdue
in
terms
of
the
operational
aspect.
A
So
today
is
really
the
operational
aspect.
There's
oftentimes
more
than
one
aspect
to
a
project,
particularly
a
large
complicated
one
and
the
other
aspects,
broadly
speaking,
would
be
facility,
finance
location
and
then,
of
course,
within
community
engagement.
There's
that
notion
of
community
benefit
economic
development,
community,
revitalization,
or
that
would
be
from
the
sea
pet
aspect,
because
they
are
the
people
in
the
department
that
delivers
on
that
aspect
of
it
and
I.
A
Think
those
are
the
areas
where,
within
the
framework
of
facility
operations,
does
the
space
can
the
space
accommodate
other
opportunities
for
community
redevelopment
and,
of
course,
if
the
answer
to
that
is
yes
or
potentially,
then
that
would
become
a
CPD.
A
whole
series
of
CPD
processes
get
kicked
into
place,
request
for
qualifications,
property
dispensation
policies
kick
in
all
kinds
of
things,
but
those
are
different.
Conversations
for
different
committees,
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
there
was
an
update,
a
factor
of
an
update
from
staff.
What
are
you
proposing
to
do?
A
Is
it
different
from
earlier
proposals?
We
found
out
that
there
are
some
significant
differences,
but
at
the
core
it's
still
the
same
operation
in
terms
of
questions
that
were
asked.
It
was,
you
know,
some
of
it.
I
think
was
covered.
I,
do
not
have
a
sophisticated
system,
I
just
jot
things
down
and
then
relay
them
to
people
directly,
but
it
was
about
clarification.
Department-Wide
needs
within
a
broader
context,
not
just
the
operation
of
this
and
I
think
that
was
touched
on.
Perhaps
that
can
be
expanded.
A
A
Community
of
feedback
I
think
you
expressed
how
you
been
engaging
with
the
community
building
analysis
and
reuse
was
a
came
up
and
growth
of
the
water
division,
I
think
was
touched
on.
That
was
a
question.
Do
we
expect?
Maybe
that
could
be
more
drilled
on
in
terms
of
growth
and
Department?
Will
this
be
a
facility
that
would
accommodate
more
people
and
at
what
rate
traffic
I
was
touched
on
particularly
traffic
on
26
and
28
in
terms
of
traffic
analysis?
A
That
would
be
one
of
the
documents
and
findings
that
would
be
presented
at
that
time,
and
actually
the
design
would
be
informed
by
I
said
more
detailed
information
on
it
right,
but
you
do
have
a
rough
idea
going
in
and
out
based
on
our
own
activities
and
again
the
activity
is
the
conversation
we're
having
today
the
activities
as
proposed
and
the
why
of
the
department
and
the
last
thing
would
be.
You
know,
pollution
impacts
and
how
they
can
be
mitigated
or
not
and
I
think
you
touched
on
that.
A
B
Chair
this
is
consistent
with
our
conversation
yesterday,
which
I
relayed
to
Lisa
Cerny,
who
built
a
dish
information
into
our
presentation
to
be
as
responsive
as
we
could
to
questions
that
have
been
arising.
I
do
believe:
we've
covered
information
about
the
traffic
impacts
and
mitigations
about
the
additional
analysis.
To
do
everything
we
could
to
reduce
public
works
footprint
on
the
site
about
the
benefits
of
consolidating
public
works
facilities,
multiple
facilities
in
general.
The
benefits
to
that
I
will
admit.
There
is
one
question
that
we
have
not
provided
an
answer
to
that.
B
You
have
noted
that
I
dear
did
hear
from
you
again,
which
is
about
the
structure
itself
and
to
be
as
responsive
as
possible
to
those
who
took
the
time
to
come
today.
I
believe
that
we
could
answer
questions
that
particular
question
with
assistance
from
our
partners
in
property
services,
so
I
believe
that
Bob
Friddle
has
been
closest
to
the
conversation
surrounding
the
structural,
a
swab
to
provide
brief
comment.
Yeah.
A
N
Our
division
has
commissioned
a
phase
1
and
phase
2
environmental
study
with
a
company
called
Brown
Intertek,
who
are
very
familiar
with
that
neighborhood
having
done
work
previously
on
the
Hiawatha
site
and
also
in
the
adjacent
clinic
site
at
the
corner
of
28th
and
Hiawatha
that
was
built
recently
and
that
site
was
an
EPA
Superfund
site
that
was
environmentally
remediated
as
a
part
of
that
project.
So,
in
our
analysis
of
the
roof
depot
property
which
was
purchased,
we
had
a
market
rate.
N
We
determined
a
cost
estimate
of
roughly
two
and
a
half
million
dollars
for
cleanup
of
that
property,
both
the
building
and
the
site
and
our
phase
2
environmental
study
has
been
as
well
as
the
phase
1
has
been
made
available
to
the
community
online
at
the
public
works
site,
and
so,
since
the
purchase
of
that
property,
it
has
been
shut
down.
The
boiler
that
heated
that
property
was
a
major
environmental
impact
and
we
shut
down
the
heat
in
that
property
and
drained
the
water.
There
have
since
been
some
roof.
N
Asbestos
within
the
building
and
lead-based
paint
that
will
have
to
be
remediated
prior
to
any
demolition
of
that
planning.
The
site's
been
identified
to
have
some
deposits
of
chemicals,
and
all
of
that
is
laid
out
in
the
phase
2
study,
and
so
the
plan
would
be
to
Commission
a
response
after
action
plan
from
our
consultants
at
Brown
Intertek.
That
would
be
under
the
auspices
of.
N
Pollution
Control
Agency
requirements.
It
would
be
reviewed
by
them
and
approved
by
them.
It
would
then
be
bid
out
to
licensed
abatement
contractors
who
would
go
through
the
building
and
abate
thing
that
they
found.
It
would
also
be
monitored
that
work
on
the
building
in
site
would
be
monitored
throughout
by
an
independent
testing
agency.
They
would
test
any
suspicious
material
that
was
found
and
determined
how
it
should
be
handled
properly.
So,
in
a
situation
like
this,
the
building
is
ventilated
negatively
so
that
anything,
that's
disturbed
inside
the
building
does
not
leave
the
building.
N
N
A
That
and
as
exciting
as
facilities,
management
and
property
management
is,
we
will
reserve
a
part
of
that
for
the
appropriate
committee.
We
had
a
lot
of
information.
I
was
operational
and
I.
Think
by
splitting
out
the
conversation
I
think
it's
a
better
way
to
manage
the
different
aspects
of
the
project.
So
I
appreciate
that
background,
but
I
think
we
will
reserve
that
for
the
subsequent
meeting
and
you
can
give
your
full
presentation
at
that
time.
M
You
so
I
just
wanted
to
then
go
back
to
the
is
so
so
the
the
questions
the
community
had
yesterday
were
incorporated
by
staff
into
the
presentation
later
out
here
how
that
information
was
received
by
community
and
then
on
the
point
of
the
shared
community
space
visuals
that
we've
been
workshopping
out
in
the
neighborhood
and
trying
to
get
support
for
you're,
saying
that
those
were
not
included
here
today,
because
can
you
explain
the
thinking
around
that
and,
and
will
there
be
a
time
for
the
council
to
see
those
or
weigh
in
on
those?
Yes,.
A
To
the
latter,
part
of
your
inquiry-
yes-
and
the
thinking
was-
is
that
this
should
be
if
we're
gonna
split
it
out.
Public
works
really
can't
speak
to
you
know
economic
redevelopment
debates,
siting
debates,
it's
just
not
their
jurisdiction
and
so
I
really
wanted
them
to
speak
to
what
they
have
jurisdiction
over,
which
is
the
operation
and
to
give
an
operational
update.
A
M
Just
wanted
to
clarify
that
c-pod
has
not
been
involved
in
all
of
the
community
discussions.
We've
been
having
with
folks
about
the
potential
shared
space
designs
and
so
I'm
having
a
little
bit
of
a
hard
time,
understanding
how
we're
gonna
pull
them
in
at
the
last
minute.
On
this,
but
I
did
want
to
acknowledge
that
you
know
the
the
entities
are
the
departments
that
have
been
leaning.
M
These
discussions
in
the
community
with
me
around
shared
space
and
what's
possible,
have
been
public
works
and
then
the
financial
officers
office
and
the
staff
direction
that
we
authorized,
maybe
two
or
three
years
ago,
on
this
project
directing
staff
to
identify
how
much
share
space
could
be
granted
to
Community
Redevelopment
purposes
you
know,
did
it
did
kind
of
you
know,
put
that
rationale
together
and
it
did
make
that
direction.
So
it's
it's
interesting
that
we're
doing
this
now,
but
I
guess
I
would
have
wanted
to
see
Penn
involved
earlier
in
the
process.
M
A
A
Why
they're,
making
this
investment,
the
main
tenant
I
always
say,
had
to
be
part
and
parcel
of
those
conversations,
but
the
policy
pivot
actually
goes
from
finance
and
property
and
how
that
gets
managed
in
dispensed
with
in
the
public
funds
that
are
underlying
that
with
any
economic
redevelopment,
economic
redevelopment
would
only
get
in
place
once
there
is
a
project
identified
in
the
site
has
been
secured
for
such
use.
So
I
guess
it's
a
sequencing
thing,
but
director
hutchinson
mr.
B
Chair
councilmember,
Cano
I,
understand
your
question
to
the
question
about
si.
Ped
they've
been
on
our
team
from
the
very
beginning
and
had
participated
in
the
GAC
meetings
and
subsequent
meetings,
and
we
have
asked
David
Frank
to
be
here
today,
because
we
have
been
working
very
closely
with
him
because
his
public
works.
We
need
to
seek
advice
from
our
experts
and
other
departments
who
can
help
the
conversation,
so
they
have
been
very
very
much
on
a
part
of
our
team.
B
I
might
also
make
a
point
of
clarification
that
the
staff
direction
that
you
noted
asked
for
finance
and
property
services
to
return
to
the
Ways
and
Means
Committee,
and
so
that
conversation
that
you're
seeking
about
the
the
staff
direction
says
something
to
the
effect
of
return
to
the
Ways
and
Means
Committee
to
report
back
on
whether
and
how
much
property
may
be
made
available
and
so
to
stay
true
to
that
staff
direction.
That
discussion
is
still
going
to
be
occurring
at
ways
and
means.
B
M
Thank
you.
I
do
understand
that
we're
expected
to
go
back
to
the
Ways
and
Means
Committee.
Just
I
was
here
as
a
policymaker
when
that
was
approved.
My
statement
is
about
disagreeing
about
not
including
all
of
the
community-based
designs
that
we
have
been
workshopping
out
there
with
folks
here
in
this
conversation
today.
So
that
was
a
tactical
mistake.
I
believe.
G
Thanks
I
appreciate
it
we're
having
some
discussion
here,
I'm
a
little
bit
confused
about
what
we
can
actually
ask
can
in
it
and
I
think
we
were
just
asking
about
the
space
in
the
acreage
and
we
so
I
guess
I'm
curious
about
what
is
the
minimum.
Well,
first
of
all,
I've
been
on
the
council
for
a
long
time
and
I
followed
this
process.
I
would
really
like
to
see
a
win-win
I
understand
why
public
works
and
why
the
previous
councils
and
the
current
council
wants
to
consolidate
things
at
this
site.
G
I
worked
really
hard
on
making
sure
that
the
current
building
is
LEED
certified.
Getting
the
asphalt
plant
moved
out
of
there
was
this
big
accomplishment
and
it
was
really
great
and
having
the
arsenic
site
there
and
the
triangle
that
was
in
all
the
so
many
yards
of
my
constituents
and
residents
and
in
neighborhood,
and
also
the
neighboring
ones,
was
this
big
issue
that
we
have
to
address
so
I've
been
following
and
tracking
this
for
a
long
time
and
I'm
hopeful
that
we
can
find
a
win-win
out
of
this
situation.
G
G
B
Mr.
chair
customer
Gordon
I
can
give
a
preview
of
what
you
may
see.
It
ways
means
that
in
working
with
community,
we
are
initial.
The
teens
initial
proposal
was
point,
eight
acres.
We
listened
very
closely
and
we
understood
that
that
was
that
felt
insufficient.
We
took
almost
a
year
to
scrub
down
the
operation,
to
count
every
single
fleet
vehicle
to
look
at
every
possible
way
that
we
could
fit
all
the
functions
that
you
just
heard
about
into
the
minimum
space
possible.
B
The
through
diligent
work
on
the
part
of
consultants,
the
architect,
finance
and
property
services,
some
help
from
Planning
and
Public
Works.
We
were
able
to
double
that
to
about
1.5
that
could
be
made
available.
That
comes
with
some
trade-offs
that
you'll
hear
more
about
that
are
more
financial
and
only
a
little
bit
operational
in
nature.
That
is
a
topic
for
public
art
for
ways
and
means,
but
that
there
is
a
preview
of
both
the
process
by
which
we
have
followed,
as
well
as
a
little
bit
about
space.
G
B
G
Okay
and
then
I
have
a
another
question
and
I
don't
know
if
this
is
for
property
services.
Maybe
is
the
intention
that
we
were
then
going
to
sell
extra
property
to
somebody
and
we're
gonna,
put
it
out
on
the
market
for
market
value,
or
is
there
a
plan
for
how
we're
going
to
just
deal
with
if
we
have
extra
land?
Oh
we're
not
going
to
use
for
public
works,
and
maybe
David
Frank
can
answer
this.
The.
O
Chair
council
member
Gordon
I
heard
my
name
being
called.
If
the
council
decides
that
some
land
on
property
that
we
we
the
city
owns,
should
be
made
available
for
a
private
use,
which
is
to
say,
not
the
city's
own
use,
then
we
have
council
adopted
procedures
which
would
entail
C
ped,
Community
Planning
and
economic
development,
making
that
property
available.
We
would
typically
do
that
through
a
competitive
request
for
proposals
process
in
which
we
would
seek
Community
Supported
development
objectives.
O
In
this
case,
some
of
that
work
has
already
taken
place,
but
we
would
be
looking
to
the
council
in
this
special
situation,
for
guidance
on
the
process
and
on
timing
and
on
whether
we're
seeking
highest
and
best
use
and
the
most
money
possible
or
some
other
permutation.
So
there
was
a
discussion
to
be
had,
but
in
a
more
abstract
answer
to
your
question:
council
member
Gordon.
G
Okay,
thank
you.
That's
good
to
get
that
summary
of
the
standard
process
and
I
guess
that
kind
of
dumps
it
back
in
the
council's
lap
to
figure
out
what
we'd
want
to
want
to
do
with
that,
and
it
sounds
like
we
would
have
a
bit
of
discretion
in
terms
of
what
we
think
the
value
would
be
and
what
would
be
you
know
a
responsive.
A
And
again,
I
don't
want
to
delve
too
much
into
finance.
They
can
explain
this
in
their
committee
as
it's
germane
to
their
topic
area,
but
that
some
discretion.
This
is
uniquely
tethered
in
terms
of
the
money
source
for
the
acquisition
in
the
first
place.
But
again,
I
don't
want
to
get
too
deep
in
the
weeds
on
that,
as
that
will
be
fully
explored
in
the
subsequent.