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From YouTube: July 26, 2018 Zoning & Planning Committee
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Minneapolis Zoning & Planning Committee Meeting
A
A
Good
morning,
I'm
going
to
call
to
order
this
regular
meeting
of
the
zoning
and
planning
committee
for
Thursday
July
26.
My
name
is
jeremy
Schrader
and
I'm.
The
chair
of
this
committee
with
me
at
the
dais,
our
councilmember
Gordon
council,
president
bender
councilmember
Ike
and
councilmember
Goodman.
Let
the
record
reflect
that
we
have
a
quorum.
We
have
a
ten
items
on
the
agenda
today,
including
four
quasi
judicial
hearings.
A
A
D
B
At
it
and
there's
lots
of
things
were
trying
to
cover
in
here,
but
there
was
one
specific
thing
at
the
beginning
of
this:
that
people
came
to
me
concerned
about
which
is
kind
of
general
rental
signs
to
get
put
up
on
residential
buildings,
especially
around
the
university
area,
bolted
onto
the
buildings
and
they're
advertising
the
company
and
say,
if
you
for
your
advertising
rent,
not
necessarily
at
that
building.
So
they
look
like
it
feel
like
permanent
signs
and
they
stay
up
for
a
long
time
and
they're
fairly
large.
B
My
hope
is
that
we've
got
some
tools
in
this
ordinance
that
will
address
those
issues
and
I
just
want
to
hear
about
how
we
think
we
might.
What
I'd
like
to
see
is
any
sign,
that's
affixed
to
a
building
like
that.
That
will
be
up
there
for
the
long
term
to
be
the
same
size
required
of
a
home-based
business,
which
would
be
a
lot
smaller
than
we're.
Seeing
do
you
think
this
will
do
it
and,
if
so,
how?
Okay.
C
That
chair
straighter,
compliment
recording
taking
a
look
at
the
various
options.
Currently,
a
real-estate
sign
can,
for
all
intents
and
purposes,
be
permanent.
You
know,
generally,
it's
assumed
that
they're
not
going
to
do
it
that
way.
One
of
the
one
of
the
ways
we're
handling
this
with
the
amendment
is
moving
into
a
temporary
sign
as
a
way
to
help
address
some
of
the
concerns
of
people
in
and
around
the
university
area,
where
those
signs
have
become
permanent.
C
They
would
claim
they
know,
we
do
have
something
available
within
that
building
and
that
could
become
an
enforcement
issue.
We
could,
if
you
were,
if
you
were
looking
at,
that,
we
could
direct.
Maybe
the
city
attorney
and
myself
could
come
up
with
some
sort
of
language.
Well,
that
you
know
they
couldn't
be.
If
it
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
effects
temporary
signs
of
that
nature,
we
could,
for
example,
I'll.
C
C
The
only
fear,
then,
would
be
instead
of
seeing
a
whole
series
of
building
signs,
maybe
attached
to
walls,
you
might
start
seeing
a
lot
more
freestanding
signs
that
are
kind
of
semi-permanently
that
her,
even
though
they're
intended
to
be
temporary
and
I
certainly
understand
you
know
their
concerns
on
it
and
and
how
that
feels
in
the
neighborhood
and
we're
doing
the
best
that
we
can
now
that
we're
no
longer
allowed
to
have
a
quote.
Unquote
real
estate
signed
tight
since
we're
no
longer.
B
That
and
I
appreciate
that
I
think
that
I
will
still
have
some
interest
between
now
and
the
council
meeting
to
see
if
we
can
come
up
with
something
I
know
it's
going
to
take
some
creativity
and
thought,
but
I'd
certainly
don't
want
to
take
up
any
more
time
today.
At
this
committee,
because
I
know
we
have
a
lot
of
other
business
to
cover,
but
this
is
kind
of
a
heads
up
and
unless
there's
more
discussion
of
course
come.
F
You
I
appreciate
the
inquiry
that
comes
mark
Gordon's,
getting
at
and
I
understand
the
complexities
and
all
the
time
that
the
legal
staff
had
to
put
together.
So
this
part,
sometimes
a
simple
request
is
not
so
simple.
After
all
and
I
know,
Common
Core
isn't
working
on
this
for
some
time
and
so
I
evilly
will
share
in
that
that
that
process,
where
we
try
to
refine
this
and
I'm
open
to
new
ideas,.
A
Seeing
no
further
questions
I'd
like
to
take
a
vote
on
number
five,
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye
aye,
all
those
opposed
the
eyes
have
it.
I
also
want
to
thank
staff
for
all
the
work
that
they've
done
reaching
out
to
individual
council
members
to
make
this
work.
Thank
you
we'll
move
on
now
to
the
quasi
judicial
hearing
portion
of
our
agenda.
Councilman
Brack
is
unfortunately
not
able
to
stay
for
the
entire
meeting,
so
we
are
going
to
consider
item
two
first
relate
to
a
project
in
his
ward
at
1717
Central
Avenue
Northeast.
A
If
there
are
no
concerns,
I'd
like
to
go
forward
with
number
two
first
followed
by
number
one,
any
concerns
by
anyone
else,
great
it's
just
to
clarify
for
the
public.
Our
agenda
will
we
will
hear
number
two
first
followed
by
number
one,
which
is
the
appeal
regarding
the
Calhoun
widgets
village
project.
After
that
we'll
handle
heightens
3
&
4
simultaneously
is
they're
both
related
to
the
art
and
architecture
building
for
the
building
project.
A
I
know
we
have
a
lot
of
interest
here
in
the
room
for
that
and
finally,
we'll
end
with
number
10,
which
is
rezoning.
That
is
also
part
of
the
art
architecture.
Building
with
that
we'll
begin
with
number
2,
which
is
the
consideration
of
appeal
submitted
by
Amanda
temple
regarding
the
City
Planning
Commission,
approval
of
a
conditional
use
permit
a
variance
and
a
site
plan
review
to
allow
a
new
five-story,
mixed-use,
building
located
at
17-17,
Central,
Avenue,
north
east
and
a
last
for
the
staff
presentation.
G
Good
morning
committee
members
Peter
Crandall
senior
city
planner,
with
cpad
the
project
before
you
is
located
at
1717
Central,
Avenue
Northeast.
The
site
is
currently
zoned
for
the
c2
district,
with
the
pedestrian
oriented
overlay
district
and
is
currently
occupied
by
a
one-story
commercial
building
with
a
daycare
use.
The
proposal
is
to
demolish
the
existing
building
and
construct
a
new
five-story
mixed-use
building
with
78
dwelling
units
and
13,000
square
feet
of
commercial
space.
G
The
application
went
before
the
City
Planning
Commission
on
June
25th
of
this
year,
and
all
applications
were
approved
by
the
Commission,
with
some
additional
conditions
of
approval.
The
applications
before
you
are
a
conditional
use
permit
to
increase
the
maximum
building
height
from
4
storeys
56
feet
to
5
storeys
63
feet,
variance
to
increase
the
maximum
floor
area
ratio
from
two
point:
three:
eight
to
two
point:
four,
eight
and
then
of
course,
site
plan
review.
G
This
is
a
schematic
site
plan
that
shows
the
configuration
of
the
site.
The
building
itself
is
built
up
to
the
property
line
at
Central.
Avenue
Northeast
are
close
to
it
and
the
building
includes
one
level
of
underground
structured
parking
and
then
some
surface
parking
at
the
rear
of
the
site.
I
will
say
that
this
project
has
undergone
some
modifications
through
the
approvals
process
in
response
to
some
concern
from
the
neighborhood
organization,
specifically
regarding
access
to
the
alley.
G
So,
in
the
original
proposal
the
underground
resident
garage
was
proposed
to
be
accessed
off
of
the
alley
and
had
been
moved
in
the
more
current
proposal
to
access
off
of
Central
Avenue
Northeast
to
reduce
the
increased
traffic
impacts
on
the
adjacent
alleyway.
I
know
that
the
applicant
is
here
and
can
speak
to
some
of
that
process
and
I
think
has
some
additional
potential
modification
modifications
to
go
over.
So
I'll
conclude
my
presentation
there
and
I
can
take
any
questions.
Thank.
H
My
name
is
Andy
temple
and
I.
Look
at
1706,
Tyler,
Street,
northeast
I'm,
a
block
leader
for
that
block
and
I'm
a
member
of
the
Northeast
Neighborhood
Association
NEPA
board.
Thank
you
for
hearing
our
appeal
today.
I
submitted
this
document
on
behalf
of
NEPA
and
Wyndham
parks,
citizens
in
action
yesterday
and
I'm
just
going
to
reference
it
just
for
the
speed
of
time
here
so
North,
East,
Park,
Neighborhood,
Association,
NEPA
and
Wyndham
parks.
Citizen
in
action
are
opposing.
H
The
project
is
currently
designed,
so
basically,
NEPA
met
with
the
developers
gave
our
opinions
and
feedback,
and
the
project
is
still
under
dispute.
When
Park
decided
to
support
the
opposition
and
recommended
with
us
conditions,
we've
reviewed
the
restrictive
covenants
for
the
property
and
we
are
in
support
of
those.
We
also
support
the
Central
Ave,
no
small
area
plan
that
designates
the
project
area
and
a
creative
zone
known
as
the
arts
focused
area,
and
we
feel
that
this
project
does
not
reflect
that.
H
We
also
interests
me
to
consider
how
this
makes
use
project
can
be
a
gateway
building
to
our
neighborhoods
in
the
Art
District.
How
I
can
create
a
warm
and
welcoming
exterior
and
how
it
can
use
public
art
and
green
spaces
to
demonstrate
diversity
of
materials
that
fit
with
the
plan?
This
might
also
include
potential
setbacks,
because
it's
currently
being
built
right
up
to
the
sidewalk
with
the
conditions.
H
We
would
like
the
zoning
planning
committee
to
look
at
the
report
by
C
ped
staff
from
June
25th.
If
this
is
allowed
to
move
forward,
so
take
all
of
those
conditions
and
add
a
few.
So
one
is
our
continued
request
for
a
traffic
study
to
determine
how
to
best
mitigate
the
queuing
in
traffic
on
adjacent
streets,
garages
and
the
adjacent
alley.
There's
a
lot
of
traffic.
H
The
second
condition
is
to
replace
the
existing
privacy
wall
to
mitigate
the
sound
light,
trash
and
runoff
from
the
project.
Other
projects
that
are
mixed-use
or
commercial
have
not
been
allowed
to
use
alleys
that
have
been
built
along
Central
they've
had
to
have
walls.
We
currently
have
a
wall
that
provides
some
protection
of
privacy
for
the
kids
at
the
daycare
now
and
all
the
kids
that
are
on
our
block.
So
we
ask
that
you
renew
and
make
sure
that
that's
restored
as
a
condition.
H
We
also
wanted
to
talk
about
restoring
the
bus
shelter
that
it
would
be
next
to
the
property
that
bus
shelter
was
temporarily
removed
for
some
construction.
The
current
sheephead
plan
talks
about
making
sure
that
there
is
electrical.
That's
maintained
there
that
there's
an
intent
to
move
it
back,
but
when
we
spoke
to
the
developer,
they
weren't
interested
in
putting
that
bus,
shelter
back
and
we
feel
like
that
is
a
high
frequency
bus
line
for
the
ten.
H
It
supports
the
senior
high-rise,
a
lot
of
people
in
the
community,
and
we
want
that
shelter
to
be
part
of
the
conditions
that
it
provides
enough
space
for
queuing
for
the
bus
in
a
safe
space
that
does
not
impact
the
accessible
path
of
travel
of
the
sidewalk,
so
that
may
involve
the
setback.
There
are
a
few
other
items
that
are
listed
for
conditions
that
relate
to
some
green
space
and
public
art,
but
we
also
want
to
talk
about
the
delivery
trucks
for
the
the
commercial
space
and
our
neighbors
on
pulk.
H
They
have
some
delivery
trucks
and
had
some
experience
with
this,
and
we
wanted
to
see
that
the
delivery
trucks
be
prohibited
from
using
the
alley
or
parking
on
the
adjacent
streets
and
that
the
developer
should
be
charged
with
paying
for
the
signage
to
reflect
that
path
of
travel
and
that
the
restricted
hours
of
operation
and
no
idling
should
be
in
place
as
part
of
a
condition
so
that
neighbors
can
sleep.
We
have
a
lot
of
neighbors
who
couldn't
be
here
today,
despite
signing
the
petition
in
opposition
to
this.
It's
because
they
they
work.
H
They
are
sleeping
if
they
work
slip
shift,
since
when
shows
they
are
taking
care
of
kids,
we
have
special
needs,
emily's,
adults
and
children
on
the
block,
and
we
even
have
an
in-home
daycare.
So
there's
a
lot
of
things
going
on
the
block
that
we
want
to
represent
today
with
the
short
period
of
time
and
that's
why
we
wanted
to
write
the
conditions
and
hope
that
you'll
be
a
partner
with
us
to
help
make
the
project
the
best
it
can
be.
H
So
while
we
oppose
the
commercial
traffic
routed
through
this
unique
l-shaped
alley
adjacent
to
the
property,
we
understand.
If
you
do,
move
forward
with
that
approach,
that
you
have
a
few
additional
conditions.
One
is
a
feasibility
of
the
study
by
a
city
engineer
to
determine
if
the
commercial
traffic
will
approach
on
residential
property,
because,
right
now
that
turn
is,
you
can
see
the
dirt
path.
H
That's
going
over
our
neighbor's
yard
for
just
garbage
and
anything
to
go
through
I
do
understand
that
the
developer
submitted
a
new
plan
as
of
2:30
yesterday
that
moved
that
turnaround
in
the
alley
just
a
little
bit
further
down
from
where
my
garage
is
to.
Basically
my
neighbor's
driveway
and
my
neighbor
can't
be
here
because
their
current
active
duty
military
and
they
had
no
idea
that
this
was
coming
and
that
they're
likely
to
have
trucks
backing
into
their
driveway
in
order
to
make
this
term.
So
they
wanted
to
reflect
that.
H
We
also
wanted
to
make
sure
that
bollards
to
protect
structures
and
access
to
current
residents
can
be
made
upon
request
by
the
property
owner
and
paid
for
by
the
developer,
again
signage
routing
traffic,
away
from
the
l-shaped
alley
to
keep
traffic
off
Tyler,
where
we
have
so
many
kids
and
those
with
special
needs
trying
to
navigate
the
street
and
also
the
loading
dock
for
the
Alamo
building.
This
property
abuts
against
a
building
that
supports
the
arts
and
the
Minsky
Theatre,
currently
used
the
loading
dock
that
is
only
accessible
off
Tyler
Street.
H
H
That's
basically
what
we
want
to
talk
about
as
far
as
the
conditions,
but
part
of
the
reason
why
we
appeal
today
is
because
we
couldn't
get
all
of
our
neighbors
all
of
our
neighborhood
associations,
all
of
our
businesses,
the
opportunity
to
have
a
voice
with
this
developer.
So
when
this
Planning
Commission
process
came
up,
it
was
supposed
to
be
on
May
21st,
and
then
it
got
delayed
to
June
11th.
Then
it
got
delayed
to
June
25th.
At
no
time
were
the
neighborhood's
neighbors
businesses
notified
of
these
delays.
H
The
last
item
in
our
letter
is
that,
because
this
is
an
ongoing
dispute,
that
the
neighborhood
associations
are
recommending,
the
utilization
of
a
conflict
resolution
provider,
that's
under
contract
with
the
city,
should
the
project
move
forward
so
that
stakeholder
groups
like
property
owners,
businesses
and
the
three
neighborhood
associations
can
meet
to
discuss,
proposed
changes
and
ensure
that
there
is
going
to
be
access
to
information
that
is
shared
with
the
neighborhood
as
the
project
moves
forward.
We're
not
saying
oppose
this
entirely.
We
want
the
space
to
be
developed,
but
we
want
a
partner
in
that
development.
H
A
I
I
For
this
particular
parcel,
the
small
area
plan
calls
for
a
transit
oriented,
mixed-use
development
with
which
could
be
up
to
six
to
eight
floors
and
maximum
of
84
floors.
Now
that
is
obviously
isn't
what
we're
asking,
nor
is
it
within
the
planning,
but
it
we
feel
that
the
the
project
does
fit
within
the
small
area
plan.
We
have
been
in
discussions
with
art
force,
we're
going
to
have
an
art
gallery
as
a
component
of
the
project
on
the
corner
of
the
on
the
north
east
or
northwest
corner
of
the
building.
I
We'll
have
rotating
displays
of
art
visible
through
the
windows
with
access
inside
as
as
available,
we
haven't
worked
out
the
mechanics
yet,
but
it
will
be
a
functioning
gallery.
We
will
also
have
an
outdoor
piece
of
art
that
will
be
displayed
on
the
north
end
of
the
building,
so
we
feel
that
were
we
do
feel
that
were
recognizing
the
need
to
have
art
here.
I
I
So
we
incorporating
some
now
some
green
elements
there
to
walk
through
specifically
some
of
the
comments
from
Amanda
we've
spoken
with
Alan
Klugman
on
regarding
the
traffic
study
and
in
conversations
with
him.
In
summary
that
the
it
was
stated
that
the
traffic
volume
wouldn't
be
an
impact
to
the
traffic
grid,
we're
happy
to
replace
the
existing
privacy
wall
and
do
whatever
we
can
to
maintain
privacy
along
the
alleyway
in
the
east
side
of
the
property,
the
bus,
shelter
absolutely.we.
I
That
would
be
replaced.
I,
don't
recall
the
conversations
about
that,
but
certainly
the
bus
shelter
would
be
part
of
this
development,
as
we
all
put
up
our
revised
plan
to
discuss
the
traffic
impacts
in
a
moment
and
I.
Let's
see
public
green
space,
I've
talked
about
that
in
public
art.
So,
let's
move
on
to
our
revised
vies
plan.
I
I
Yeah
that'd
be
great,
was
in
this
area,
so
all
of
the
all
of
the
the
access
to
the
project
was
coming
through
the
east
side
of
a
property
that
was
partly
due
to
the
request
that
you
trying
to
keep
access
off
of
Central
Avenue.
We
realized
that
that
was
an
issue,
so
we
spoke
with
city
staff
and
Clubman
and
traffic
and
worked
through
a
plan
to
have
the
access
to
the
garage
come
off
of
central
rather
than
off
of
the
alley,
thereby
leaving
a
lot
of
the
pressure
on
the
alley.
I
We
worked
through
a
plan
that
would
allow
make
sure
that
trucks
could
trucks
and
cars
would
make
the
turn
and
head
north
out
of
the
alley
eliminating
traffic
on
the
southern
part
of
the
alley.
Through
that
90-degree
turn
and
then
back
up
Tyler
Street.
In
this
plan,
we
we
would
relocate
the
trash
to
the
south
end
of
the
building.
A
truck
could
come
up
pick
the
trash
or
make
its
delivery.
I
Other
cars
coming
through
the
site
would
be
able
to
continue
traffic
flow,
and
so
there
would
never
be
you
know
a
block
up
and
it
would
flow
quite
well.
I
guess:
that's
that's
our
proposed
plan.
We
would
certainly
any
bollards
screening
signage
that
would
be
required,
and
you
know
a
pork
chop
of
sorts
to
just
ensure
that
people
aren't
getting
south
there.
There
would
be
no
reason
that
someone
would
want
to
head
south.
We
would
do
all
that
we
could
to
maintain
that.
A
J
J
Modified
it
a
little
bit
but
you'll
notice,
they
took
out
the
kids
park
while
they
did
it
for
the
actual
daycare.
So
there's
actually
no
park
daycare
listed
on
their
new
picture
for
it.
They
haven't
really
proposed.
Where
they're
going
to
it
long
story
short
I'll,
make
it
as
quick
as
I
can
I
know.
I
got
two.
J
We
had
when
I
moved
in,
we
had
a
moratorium
of
trucks
being
able
to
move
from
6:00
p.m.
it
was
even
6
p.m.
to
6
a.m.
our
city.
Council
person
would
probably
know
better
than
I
would
for,
but
we
couldn't
have
trucks
because
of
the
industrial
park
behind
our
place,
because
we're
dead-end
alley
with
an
industrial
park.
Our
group
would
love
to
see
the
same
exact
thing
that
we
had
on
ours
on
Tyler.
J
Just
because
that
whole
area
trucks
can
move
any
way
they
want
to
move
no
matter
what
there
is
there's,
not
a
cop
sitting
there
saying:
hey,
don't
move
down
that
way,
but
it'd
be
nice
to
have
at
least
some
rules
and
industrial
and
commercial
people
say
you
can't
move
here
during
certain
times.
We
have
a
lot
of
kids.
We
have
a
lot
of
people
who
are
handicapped
in
that
area.
J
J
J
You
know
a
piece
of
art
that
they
don't
even
have
a
place
for
or
the
bus
stop,
that
they
don't
have
a
place
for,
or
the
dog
run
that
they
had.
Last
time
that's
probably
gone
by
now,
or
the
fact
that
they
now
have
a
party
place
on
there
that
wasn't
there
for
the
last
three
times
that
they
put
it
in.
So,
thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Yep.
J
K
I'm
fearful
that
this
may
turn
to
be
a
bait
and
switch
situation
where
they're
proposing
4900
the
requirement
is
3,200
and
that
they
would
change
and
have
the
city
approve
a
lesser
amount
than
what
they
had
proposed
know
if
the
city
is
suggesting
that
they
continue
with.
So
my
my
ask
is
that
you
make
a
conditional
upon
requiring
the
4952
thank.
A
A
H
L
M
L
Name
is
Ron
Lipson
and
I
own
the
building
at
1716
Tyler
Street,
which
is
right
behind
the
proposed
project,
I've
owned
it
for
60
years
and
we've
put
the
building
inspectors.
We've
always
had
extremely
good
luck
with
them
and
from
the
standpoint
of
it,
we've
always
tried
to
keep
the
building
up.
The
key
here
is
is
when
they
first
showed
me
the
proposal.
My
problem
was
the
alley
entrance
with
the
volume
of
cars
that
they
intend
to
have
into
the
facility
just
by
the
resident
numbers
that
they're
talking
about
that
Ally
can't
handle
it.
L
It's
impossible.
There
be
a
car
in
there
every
day,
all
the
time
when
the
snow
comes.
How
are
they
going
to
get
rid
of
the
snow
if
they
bring
all
the
because
that's
a
long
distance
to
move
the
snow
from
one
end
of
their
lot
to
the
street
to
18th?
What
are
they
gonna
do
with
all
that
snow
plow
it
back
on
me
on
the
people
that
are
right
across
the
alley.
L
The
gentleman
that
talked
about
I'd
like
to
see
a
formal
plan
that
we
can
talk
about
because,
right
now
we're
keep
talking
about
things.
They
keep
moving
around
like
you
know,
it's
there's
nothing
formal,
there's
nothing
that
we
can
put
our
our
hands
to
and
as
far
as
putting
up
a
unit
in
their
project,
completing
the
project.
I
don't
have
any
problem
with
it
necessarily
other
than
again
the
alley
itself,
the
number
of
kids
and
the
number
of
windows
that
will
be
coming
off.
L
That
side
of
the
building
looking
at
the
rest
of
the
neighborhoods,
becomes
questionable.
Also
I'd
like
to
try
to
minimize
the
number
of
windows
looking
towards
Tyler
and
Polk,
and
that
type
of
thing
so
that
we
don't
run
into
you're,
looking
at
me
and
I'm,
looking
at
you
type
of
thing,
because
that
also
goes
into
there
other
than
that.
That's
fine.
Thank
you.
Thank.
N
N
We
in
that
area
have
had
quite
a
lot
of
traffic
on
18th
and
central
specifically
to
that
corner
for
quite
a
while
there's
been
a
large
number
of
tech
jobs
and
a
lot
of
a
lot
more
interest
in
people
coming
into
the
neighborhood.
Over
the
last
several
years,
xviii
has
been
under
construction
for
a
year
and
a
half
now.
O
N
That's
kind
of
skew
the
traffic
numbers
a
little
bit.
What
we've
noticed
is
that
when
it
has
been
opened
to
the
public,
oftentimes
traffic
will
back
up
at
Central,
Avenue
down
to
Polk
and
sometimes
further
in
the
mornings.
So
for
me,
my
personal
experience
is
when
I
leave
the
alley
that
we're
talking
about
heading
northbound.
N
We
really
like
the
fact.
There's
a
daycare.
There
I
think
it's
a
it's
a
something,
absolutely
necessary
for
a
neighborhood,
and
we
want
to
keep
that
that
that
business
there,
no
matter
what
you
know,
that's
a
important
feature
for
for
our
neighborhood.
But
what
we
want
to
do
is
find
some
way
to
interface
these
these
these
changes
with
the
existing
neighborhoods
so
that
we
mitigate
some
of
these
problems.
I
think
a
traffic
study
is
very
important
to
that.
The
last
point
I'll
make
and
I
can
make
it
in
10
seconds.
N
There
has
been
a
lot
of
confusion
about
what's
in
the
plan
and
what's
out
of
the
plan
I,
what's
in
the
plan,
what's
out
of
the
plan,
I
I
I
think
it's
incredibly
important
that
this
body
enforce
formal
conditions
on
on
approval
in
order
to
ensure
that
the
the
things
that
have
that
we
that
have
been
promised
are
delivered.
Thank
you.
Anyone.
F
You
mr.
chair
I
think
there's
been
good
testimony
today.
What
we
have
before
us
is
not
an
uncommon
dynamic,
as
the
city
grows
and
particularly
Central,
Avenue
a
transit
oriented
corridor.
This
is
not
a
new
dynamic
where
larger
buildings
have
been
built
over
the
last
decade
or
so,
and
will
continue
to
be
built
in
our
designated
higher
frequency
transit
quarters.
F
However,
you
do
have
an
interface
point
with
the
residences
and
that's
again,
it's
not
a
pro
development
or
anti
developments
just
trying
to
make
it
right
as
on
the
edge
of
these
two
interfaces,
and
so
I
think
we
do
have
a
commitment
from
the
community
continue
to
provide
good
insights
and
have
conditions
that
they
are
seeking.
Of
course,
there's
trade-offs,
I
think
one
of
mr.
Bovie
who
testified
says
you
know,
make
sure
we
get
the
green
space,
but
then
don't
take
away
this.
You
know
because
there's
this
trade-off.
F
That
often
can
happen,
and
so
you
got
to
strike
these
balances
with
that.
I
do
concur
that
we
may
need
some
more
time,
though
it's
time
has
been
a
friend
of
this
project.
The
sort
of
a
moving
target
has
been
in
good
faith,
the
traffic
volume
and
that
the
gentleman
referred
to
was
a
very
significant
one
and
conversations
such
as
that
have
moved
a
lot
of
the
traffic
onto
Central
Avenue
off
of
18th,
but
I
think
we
still
have
some
work
to
do
in
terms
of
ingress
and
egress
buffering
from
the
community.
F
Green
space
issues
need
to
be
formalized,
obviously,
there's
no
way
under
the
Sun
that
I
would
not
enforce
returning
our
transit
amenities,
such
as
a
bus,
shelter.
Those
are
very
important
and
ideas
that
even
developer
coming
up
with
in
terms
of
Greenwald.
Maybe
those
can
be
tools
to
meet
some
other
needs
as
well
beautifying
certain
aspects
of
a
facade,
and
so
we
can't
figure
that
all
out
here
so
I'm
going
to
move
to
deny
the
peel
forward
this
without
recommendation.
F
So
we
continue
further
work
and
to
do
so
with
the
time
that
we
need
not
they're
following
a
full
council
meeting,
but
the
subsequent
one
and
I
think
that
would
be
great
and
I
would
direct
staff
to
do.
Findings
of
fact,
in
regards
to
the
denial
of
appeal
and
continue
the
project
staff
to
work
with
the
developer
and
incorporating
to
the
extent
feasible
and
balancing
all
the
different
needs,
with
the
conditions.
A
Thank
you.
Are
there
other
comments,
I
think
I'd
like
to
respond
to
that
I.
Think,
what's
been
really
helpful
from
the
neighborhood
is
to
be
able
to
say
these
are
the
specific
conditions
and
I
understand,
though
we
want
these
written
in
stone
and
I.
Think
we're
using
the
time
like
councilmember
Reich,
suggested
to
really
come
up
and
nail
those
down
just
so.
We
keep
development
moving
but
are
still,
you
know,
fair
to
the
developer,
but
also
take
the
very
real
concerns
from
the
neighborhood.
The
consideration
as
well
with
that
if
council
member
Gordon
just.
B
A
B
P
Sridhar
committee
members-
we
just
have
to
make
sure,
based
on
our
current
timeline,
that
the
council
acts
on
the
applications
no
later
than
its
August
17th
meeting.
Currently
it's
on
track
for
August
3rd
and
then
I
think.
Perhaps
if
we
could
clarify
the
motion,
I
heard
a
denial
but
also
a
rec
afford
without
recommendation
correct.
Q
A
R
Thank
you
good
morning,
council
members
Jennifer
with
Public
Works,
surface
water
and
sewers.
So
a
state
of
this
item
is
an
appeal.
The
decision
of
the
Planning
Commission's
denial
of
the
appeal
of
the
director
of
surface
waters,
surface
water
and
sewers
determination
that
the
proposed
project
located
3,200,
late,
Street
West
is
able
to
comply
with
on-site
storm
owner
management
standards
and
it's
not
eligible
for
participation
in
off-site
stormwater
payment.
R
So,
as
indicated
property
being
discussed
is
located
at
3200,
Lake,
Street
West,
just
west
of
Excelsior
Boulevard
as
background
in
June
of
2016,
the
property
owner
submitted
plans
for
the
city's
preliminary
development
review
process
for
PDR.
The
plans
submitted
by
the
applicant
in
point
16
included
the
addition
of
a
drive-through
to
accommodate
a
drugstore
additional
pedestrian
bicycle
vehicle
and
landscape
enhancements
to
the
site
later
revisions
to
the
plans
remove
the
proposed
drive-through
but
did
maintain
the
other
site
improvements
to
the
parking
lot
and
exterior
space.
R
The
plans
included
expanding
the
footprint
of
the
parking
lot
relocating,
curb
lines,
significant
amounts
of
filling
and
grading
of
the
site,
removal
of
vegetation
and
excavation
for
nor
new
storm
sewer
conveyances
through
the
PDR
process.
It
was
determined
that
proof
these
proposed
improvements
were
sitting
significant
enough
at
the
city's
chapter.
54
stormwater
management
requirements
were
triggered,
the
trigger
for
the
storm,
a
requirement
is
one
acre
or
more
of
land.
R
R
These
plans
were
approved
by
public
work,
surface
water
and
sewers
in
August
of
2017
in
February
of
2018,
the
property
owner
contacted
the
city
indicating
they
felt
on-site.
Stormwater
management
was
neither
feasible
nor
prudent
due
to
existing
development
density,
poor
soil
conditions
and
high
levels
of
contamination
in
soil,
groundwater
and
vapor.
R
The
MPCA
review
and
approval
included.
The
proposed
stormwater
management
features
that
were
shown
on
the
applicants
plans.
The
NPC
has
not
indicated
that
implementation
of
the
proposed
plan
is
prohibited
and
PCA
guidance
does
caution
against
utilizing
infiltration
practices
on
contaminated
sites,
but
indicates
other
forms
of
stormwater
management
can
be
successfully
implemented.
Such
as
filtration
should
also
be
noted
that
a
number
of
sites
with
contamination
within
the
city,
including
sites
enrolled
in
the
NPC's
brownfield
program,
have
gone
through
the
city's
approval
process
implemented.
R
A
Sorry
are
there
any
questions
for
staff.
I
do
have
one
one
of
the
points
I
thought
was
you
mentioned
that
there's
similar
sites
that
have
been
able
to
have
water
management,
one
of
the
points
the
appellant
brought
up,
that
they
are
the
former
landfill
and
that
they
kind
of
have
unique
circumstances.
Could
you
address
that
point?
Please.
R
M
R
I
did
have
some
follow-up
conversations
with
the
applicants,
environmental
consultant
and
both
the
MPCA
in
terms
of
how
an
actual
landfill
or
something
that
would
be
actually
register
as
an
unpermitted
dump
would
be
treated
in
situations
like
this.
Both
the
MPCA
and
ranked
the
applicants,
environmental
consultant
we're
not
clear
if
there
was
ever
a
in
fact,
a
determination
that
this
site
is
an
unpermitted
would
be
considered
an
unpermitted
dump,
but
even
if
it
was,
they
had
both
indicated
that
whether
or
not
it
was
or
not.
R
Essentially,
the
the
requirements
through
the
brownfield
program,
no
matter
if
it's
just
contaminated
material,
poor
material
being
brought
into
the
site,
it
ultimately
ends
up
that
it's
contamination
on
the
site,
whether
it
was
just
brought
in
as
fill
or
if
it
was
purposely
brought
in
and
as
the
landfill
where
garbage
was
taken.
You
end
up
with
the
same
result
and
therefore
they'd
end
up
being
the
same
process
going
forward
once
it's
in
the
ground.
Okay,.
S
R
They
would
not
be
required
to
clean
up
and
remove
all
of
the
contaminated
material.
I,
don't
believe
through
the
brownfield
program.
There
is
a
process
which
is
what
this
site
is
going
through,
whether
it
I
mean
we
do
consider
this
a
redevelopment
of
a
four
acre
parking
lot,
but
there
is
a
process
where
you
can
leave
the
contamination
in
place
as
long
as
you
manage
it
properly.
Mr.
S
R
If
they
were
to
install
subsurface
aspect
to
the
building,
it
depends
on
how
how
if
they
would
be
going
with
that
I
think
the
contamination
on
the
site
is
up
to
30
feet.
So
potentially
they
could
have.
You
know
a
1-1
level
of
underground
parking
that
would
extend
10
feet
down.
If
they're
not
excavating
into
that
underlying
soil,
they
would
not
be
required
to
remove
it
again
as
long
as
they
manage
it
appropriately.
Mr.
S
A
T
Mr.
chairman,
my
name
is
Kelly
Dorn
with
the
durn
companies.
My
business
address
is
70
803
Glen,
where
I
rode
in
Bloomington
and
my
home
address
is
401.
South
East,
Main
Street
in
Minneapolis
I
have
a
couple
of
things.
I
just
would
like
to
get
into
the
public
record.
These
were
all
things
that
have
been
previously
sent
to
the
council,
I
and
so
I'd
like
to
hand
him
to
the
clerk.
If
that's
okay,
there's
some
photos
that
you'll
see
in
a
minute.
Thank
you.
T
The
history
of
this
property
was
a
years
and
years
ago
it
was
a
wetland
or
we
would
call
wetland
today
what
they
probably
called
swamp.
It
was
filled
as
a
landfill
and
then
was
used
as
a
rail
yard
and
a
lumber
yard,
and
in
1988
the
existing
shopping
center
was
built
in
the
property
and
that
shopping
center
was
built
in
such
a
way
that
the
buildings
and
the
sidewalks
immediately
adjacent
to
the
property
to
the
buildings
are
on
piles
and
those
piles
extend
down
with
the
competence
Orioles
and
tore
to
bedrock
those.
T
U
T
Are
just
a
few
photos
that
were
taken
just
yesterday
to
give
you
some
idea
of
how
the
the
sidewalk,
along
the
building
on
the
left
side
of
the
picture,
and
you
can
see
with
a
ramp
going
down
at
the
parking
lot
over
the
years,
has
been
replaced
and
modified
and
has
has
significantly
moved.
Here's
another
view
of
the
same
area.
T
Here's
a
workman
with
a
angle
with
an
with
a
level
to
indicate
that
that
slope
now
is
almost
10%
and
a
DA
requires
that
slope
to
be
2%.
Here's
a
picture
up
against
the
curb
adjacent
to
that,
where
the
asphalt
next
to
the
curb
has
settled
down
to
over
11
inches.
Normally,
that
would
be
between
five
and
six
inches
for
a
firm
not
to
have
a
safety
hazard
or
those
types
of
things
when
we
bought
the
property.
I
think
my
letter
said
18
months,
it's
actually
probably
closer
to
two
years.
T
Initially,
we
did
look
briefly
at
a
redevelopment.
Could
this
property
be
redeveloped,
and
we
had
even
brief
discussions
with
the
city
about
whether
this
property
could
be
intensified
and
whether
larger
buildings
could
be
built
on
it,
and
we
came
altima
Lee
to
the
conclusion
that
that
was
economically
unfeasible
and
one
of
the
variables
in
that
decision
was
the
environmental
contamination
that's
contained
in
this
property.
The
the
report
that
is
in
your
staff
report
and
it
from
the
consultants,
indicate
that
some
of
the
compounds
and
metals
and
other
things
that
are
on
this
property
are
our.
T
The
contamination
is
at
a
level
that
would
not
allow
residential
development
to
happen
on
this
property
without
removal,
and
that
is
economically
unfeasible.
One
example
is
lead
contaminating
this
property.
In
certain
parts
of
it
is
two
to
three
times
the
recommended
level
for
a
residential
habitation,
so
it
would
take
extensive
to
go
back
to
your
question
earlier.
Councilmember
Goodman.
It
would
take
extensive
excavation
and
hauling.
T
Those
material
was
in
these
materials
off-site
to
a
regulated
landfill
and
in
some
cases
those
materials
would
have
to
be
hauled
out
of
the
state
even
to
go
to
the
proper
to
the
proper
venue.
So
we
decided
to
move
forward
with
the
renovation
of
the
parking
lot.
So
there's
really
two
issues
that
we
would
like
to
address
today.
One
is:
did
staff
apply
the
language
of
chapter
54
correctly
and
if
you
believe
they
did,
then
should
this
property
qualify
because
of
his
unique
circumstances
for
payment
in
lieu
of
this
underground
water
stormwater
treatment
facility.
T
The
first
issue
on
chapter
54:
if
the
language
is,
in
my
mind,
pretty
clear
that
that
was
when
that
was
put
in
place
in
1999,
that
was
for
significant
development.
And/Or
redevelopment
we're
not
adding
one
square
foot
to
this
building
we're
not
taking
away
one
square
foot
of
this
building.
We
are
simply
remot
redoing
the
parking
lots
to
comply
with
the
requirements
of
an
ad
a
lawsuit
and
in
some
cases
this
parking
lot
has
st.
24
inches.
So
it
does
take
some
material
to
come
in.
We
don't
call
that
fill.
T
We
call
that
a
different
material
to
rebuild
a
parking
lot
and
because
of
that,
some
of
the
landscaping
areas
will
need
to
be
rebuilt
because
we're
changing
that
grade,
but
we're
not
we're
not
we
read
developing
the
property.
The
use
of
the
property
is
the
same.
The
tenants
that
occupy
the
property
are
the
same.
The
their
basic
configuration
of
the
parking
lot
is
the
same.
So
is
it
a
redevelopment
because
it's
certainly
not
significant
new
development.
So
that's
really.
T
The
purpose
under
the
purpose
section
of
chapter
54,
a
determination
that
you
have
to
make
that
that's
really
the
binding
language.
In
our
opinion,
is
that
purpose
language
in
chapter
54,
because
all
of
chapter
54
applies
and
if
you're
looking
at
in
the
memo
I
sent
to
you
it's
on
page.
If
you
have
it
with
you,.
T
The
second
page,
it's
under
section,
54,
point
2,
the
purpose
section,
and
the
purpose
of
this
ordinance
is
to
minimize
negative
impacts
of
stormwater
runoff
rates
volumes
and
quality
on
Minneapolis
lake
streams
wetlands
in
the
Mississippi
River
by
guiding-
and
this
is
where
we
think
the
operable
words-
our
future
significant
development
and
redevelopment
activity,
and
by
assuring
long-term
effectiveness
of
existing
and
future
stormwater
management
construction
facilities.
I
won't
finish
the
reading
the
rest
of
that.
T
T
The
responsible
party
may
apply
for
approval
of
full
or
partial
participation
in
existing
regional
stormwater
facilities
within
the
drainage
area
of
the
same
receiving
body
of
body,
a
water
body
or
a
regional
storm
facilities
within
the
drainage
area,
the
same
receiving
whether
they're,
substantial
least
certain
to
be
developed
or
if
none
exist,
other
storm
water
mitigation
programs
in
the
city
Minneapolis.
That
could
be
anywhere
in
Sydney
a
nose.
So
we
think
there
are
unique
circumstances.
We
have
provided
evidence
to
the
city
staff.
T
We
have
provided
expert
testimony
to
their
expert
letters
and
from
consultants
that
are
top-shelf
consultants.
I
have
Eric
Miller
from
Samba
tech,
civil
engineering,
firm,
ray
Huber
from
Braun
Intertek
here
today,
and
Adam
Sobel
from
Lincoln
associates
all
who
have
represented
to
the
city,
some
of
whom
have
been
involved
in
these
other
sites
that
the
city
has
mentioned,
that
this
site
is
not
appropriate
for
this
type
of
facility
to
be
constructed
on,
and
why
is
it
not
appropriate
and
why
is
it
safe
different?
T
The
other
examples
that
the
city
staff
has
provided
our
contaminated
examples
has
no
doubt
about
that.
But
in
most
cases
the
contaminations
was
was
originated
by
the
use
of
the
property
or
by
urban
fill
demolition
of
the
existing
buildings
or
other
things
that
were
left
in
place
in
the
soils.
It's
not
a
landfill,
it
does
not
have
the
same
level
of
contamination
and
it
certainly
doesn't
have
up
to
30
and
40
feet
of
organic
material,
underneath
it
that
it's
compressing
and
settling
and
will
continue
to
do
so
over
time.
T
So
the
risk
of
of
installing
this
underground
a
facility
is
that
it
will
move
and
it
will
crack
and
it
will
break
and
water.
All
this
water
for
acres
of
water,
as
the
staff
has
indicated,
is
going
to
go
through
this
system
and
if
it
ruptures
all
of
that
water
will
for
a
period
of
time
enter
into
the
soil,
and
it
will
mobilize
highly
likely
it
will
mobilize
these
contaminants
and
they
will
move
further
and
they
will
move
further
into
the
groundwater.
T
T
If
it,
if
there's
an
if
there's
a
problem
or
a
rupture
of
this
facility,
even
if
there
is
a
rupture
to
this
facility,
it
would
require
a
response
action
plan
to
be
put
together
and
approved
before
we
could
actually
go
in
and
excavate
to
figure
out
what
the
problem
is.
That
would
have
to
be
approved
by
the
MPCA
in
order
for
us
to
do
that,
because
we're
prohibited
from
excavating
into
these
soils
without
their
consent
and
permission.
T
So
we're
trying
to
do
the
right
thing
here:
we're
trying
to
renovate
a
shopping
center
to
make
it
compliant
with
the
88.
We've
gone
beyond
that
by
creating
a
raised
bike
trail
at
the
cost
in
excess
of
$200,000
to
feed
bicycles
from
the
Greenway
down
to
Lake
Street,
we
are
renovating
the
shopping
center.
Adding
tenants
to
it.
We
put
a
line.
A
clinic
is
now
taking
the
instead
the
entire
second
floor
of
this
building
asset
fallow
and
empty
for
years
and
we're.
T
But
yet
we're
being
asked
to
violate
our
agreements
with
the
MPCA
put
ourselves
at
risk,
create
potential
contamination
to
the
area
and
I.
Think,
what's
really
sad
about
this?
Is
a
disinformation
that's
being
provided
if
I
was
a
neighbor
in
this
area?
I
wouldn't
be
writing
letters
opposing
this
we're
not
changing
anything
that
hasn't
gone
on
there
for
thirty
years.
The
city
is
the
one
that's
proposing
a
change
that
could
have
a
material
impact
on
their
property
and
their
own
health
by
the
introduction
of
these
contaminants
into
the
groundwater.
T
So
we
ask
if
you
do
not
agree
the
54.
If
you
agree
that
54
does
apply,
then
we
asked
for
your
consideration
to
allow
us
to
make
payment
in
lieu
of
and
so
that
money
can
be
used
for
stormwater
projects
elsewhere
in
the
area
or
in
the
city
Minneapolis,
rather
than
then
involve
and
create
the
real
potential
risk
of
introducing
these
additional
contaminants
in
the
area.
I
am
here
for
your
questions.
Our
consultants
are
here
for
your
questions.
V
S
Me
and
I'll
speak
when
we
discussed
this
having
an
alternative
best
management
practice
on
this
site
is
really
important.
I,
don't
like
the
idea
of
paying
into
a
fee
that
gets
spent
somewhere
else
in
the
city.
If
the
issue
is
stormwater
from
the
site,
then
we
need
to
manage
the
stormwater
the
best
we
can
on
this
site.
T
T
Follow
what
was
left
out
of
that
was
that
that
agreement
was
conditional
upon
getting
the
NPC
approval
of,
and
we
did
not
get
the
NPC
approval
of
it.
And
that's
why
we
came
back
and
asked
for
the
payment
in
lieu
of
it
was
because
of
what
the
NPC
MPCA
responded
to
us
on,
not
because
we
just
all
of
a
sudden
changed
her
mind.
So.
S
A
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
other
questions
for
the
applicant?
Thank
you
now
open
the
hearing
to
the
public.
Please
limit
your
comments
to
two
minutes.
It
will
be
again
tracking
that
on
the
timer
over
by
the
clerk
is
there
anyone
here
willing
to
speak
on
this.
Please
come
over,
and
now
please
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
W
W
Thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
comment
about
the
Calhoun
Village
property
and
the
need
for
stormwater
management
on
this
site
that
it's
not
only
my
next-door
neighbor,
but
is
one
block
away
from
the
Chain
of
Lakes,
repeatedly
referred
to
as
the
crown
jewel
of
Minneapolis,
with
five
million
visits
every
year.
According
to
the
park
system,
mr.
Duran
Doron
I'm
sorry
Doron
knew
of
the
soil
conditions.
When
the
property
was
purchased.
He
knew
the
history
of
contamination
of
the
property
when
he
purchased
it.
W
He
knew
there
was
an
ongoing
ad,
a
lawsuit
when
he
purchased
the
property
he
knew
of
the
surrounding
existing
developing
development
density.
When
he
purchased
the
property
he
knew
the
property
was
subject
to
chapter
54
requirements
as
a
real
estate
developer.
He
knew
the
risks
and
he
went
ahead
with
the
purchase.
W
He
has
stated
that
the
cost
of
the
in
Luffy
is
essentially
equal
to
the
cost
of
installing
the
stormwater
management
system.
He
even
proposed
installing
subsurface
subsurface,
filtration
chambers
and
surface
bio
filtration
Basin.
A
year
ago.
I
don't
know
what
has
changed.
The
city
of
Minneapolis
is
promoting
density.
I
live
in
a
high-rise
building.
I
am
not
complaining
about
density,
but
your
job
is
to
balance
the
often
competing
requirements
of
newer,
denser
developments
with
preserving
the
health
and
beauty
of
our
city.
This
is
a
perfect
example
of
that
act.
W
A
X
Good
morning
my
name
double
easy:
I'll
even
live
in
31:45
Dean
Court.
Thank
you
for
hearing
my
comments,
I'm
here
again
to
a
object
to
the
appeal
that
Doran
company
adorns
Inc
is
making
I
really
don't
understand.
Why
we're
here?
Because
it
was
first
denied
by
the
Director
of
stormwater
management.
It
was
again
denied
by
the
City
Planning
Committee
about
a
month
and
a
half
ago,
and
here
we
are
again
and
I'd
like
to
make
a
comment
about.
We
were
here
and
made
some
comments
to
you
regarding
our
opposition
to
this
and
mr.
Dorrance.
X
A
response
was
that
our
views
were
ridiculous.
They
aren't
ridiculous
we're
talking
about
a
plan
that
was
set
in
place
in
2000.
The
storm
wanted
water
management
program.
This
is
part
of
essentially
that
green
green
layer,
if
you
will
to
protect
this
jewel
of
a
area
with
his
green
spaces,
his
area
that
is
enjoyed
by
people
walking
boating
canoeing
running
and
whatever
this
stuff
needs
to
be
handled
the
right
way.
The
right
precautions
need
to
be
put
into
place,
regardless
of
what
he
is
saying
that
he
is
going
to
do
with
this
property.
X
V
Hi,
my
name
is
Madeline
Henry
and
I
live
at
3141.
Dean
Court
I
would
just
like
to
add
one
thing
in
my
concern
about
this
appeal
in
an
age
when
we're
experiencing
more
severe
weather
events,
more
dramatic
precipitation
events.
This
is
no
time
to
be
anything
but
apply
a
gold
standard,
that's
very
strict
to
stormwater
management,
because
if
you
don't
do
it
right
now,
you're
gonna
regret
it
not
having
done
it
later.
That's
all
I
want
to
say
thank.
A
S
You
mr.
chair,
so
this
is
something
that
has
been
going
on
for
quite
a
long
period
of
time.
I've
had
mixed
feelings
about
it
and
done
a
lot
of
research
on
what
mr.
Dorn
has
sent
to
us
and
spoken
with
staff
and
driven
staff
crazy,
pretty
much
asking
questions
about
how
this
can
and
should
not
be
resolved.
It
is
no
secret
that
I
am
NOT
a
fan
of
development
on
the
site
and
in
fact,
I
have
met
with
mr.
Doran
about
his
potential
for
redevelopment
on
the
site
and
have
been
quite
negative
about
it.
S
As
he
will
tell
you,
it
will
be
very
expensive
to
redevelop
this
site.
There
is
too
much
pollution
that
the
MPCA
will
ask
him
to
treat
and
he
won't
be
able
to
do
it
without
public
subsidy
and
we
are
not
likely
to
give
him
a
tax
increment
district
in
this
area
in
order
to
facilitate
high
density
development.
In
fact,
I'll
be
working
to
change.
The
Comprehensive
Plan
suggested
zoning
on
the
site
to
ensure
that
I
rise
does
not
go
here.
So
I
just
want
to
clarify
that
mr.
Doran
is
aware
of
that
said.
S
The
previous
owners
were
not
great.
They
were
not
easy
to
work
with.
They
didn't
do
anything
to
deal
with
the
a.da
issues.
They
did
nothing
to
deal
with
the
store.
They
did
nothing
to
work
on
the
stormwater
management
issues
they
allowed
the
property
to
deteriorate,
and
mr.
Doran
purchasing
this
property
actually
was
a
positive
I
believe
I
eat
at
first
walk
a
lot.
Those
of
you
who
eat
there.
A
lot
know
that
you
have
to
step
up
a
very
narrow
step
in
order
to
get
to
a
much
heavier
step.
S
I'm
getting
older
it's
hard
to
do
and
that
in
and
of
itself
shows
the
ad
a
problem
of
the
so
at
the
lot
sinking
and
the
sidewalk
rising
and
I
for
one
think.
It's
a
good
thing
that
he's
changing
that
I,
don't
believe
the
MPCA
will
give
them
permission
easily
to
be
able
to
put
the
stormwater
management
underground
and
therefore
I,
don't
believe
our
code
does
apply.
So
I
am
going
to
move,
to
grant
the
appeal
and
to
ask
mr.
Dorn,
as
part
of
the
appeal
to
deal
with
the
stormwater
management
in
a
different
way.
S
I
think
this
is
a
fair
compromise,
because
it
does
deal
with
the
stormwater
management
issue
appropriately,
but
in
a
different
way,
but
I
don't
believe
this
is
a
redevelopment,
and
that
is
what
triggers
the
section
that
is
needed
to
be
triggered.
I,
don't
think
many
people
would
call
me
to
love
developers.
This
one
in
particular,
is
not
my
closest
friend
but
I
think
he's
right
and
so,
unfortunately,
for
the
neighbors
who
are
unhappy
about
it,
I'd
urge
you
to
consider
that
there
are
different
ways
to
abide
by
our
code.
S
This
is
going
to
be
a
wade
to
abide
by
our
code
and
do
something
correctly
as
it
pertains
to
stormwater
management
while
not
disrupt
the
pollution.
That's
underneath
I
was
on
the
City
Council,
when
mr.
Doran
did
the
Whole
Foods,
which
is
a
very
popular
attraction
in
the
neighborhood,
as
is
the
shopping
center.
Rustica
is
probably
one
of
the
most
utilized
businesses
in
the
five
neighborhood
area.
People
come
to
the
site
and,
unfortunately,
they're
not
biking.
Mr.
Y
R
M
Y
Uncomfortable
when
we're
trying
to
design
buildings
sort
of
like
on
the
fly
council
meetings
and
I
know
that
that
house
summer
Goodman
has
been
very
involved.
So
maybe
she
has
more
detail
than
I
do
about
the
cost
of
a
green
building
and
its
viability
here,
or
maybe
our
staff
have
looked
at
that
I.
Just
don't
have
any
information
on
those
kinds
of
details.
R
A
Well,
you're,
looking
for
your
documents,
just
a
Claire,
to
tell
you
about
some
of
the
conversation
that's
going
on
here.
You
know
we're
talking
about
what
the
best
way
to
handle
the
situs.
That's
then,
for
my
colleagues,
this
is
exactly
the
conversation
we
had
at
Planning
Commission,
where
we
approved
the
city's
recommendation,
and
we
did
so
pre
unanimously
because
of
the
kind
of
convincing
case
of
that
this
could
be
done
here.
If
this
is
something
in
pH,
M
PCA
does
not
approve.
We
need
to
figure
that
out.
A
R
I
did
find
the
correspondence
with
the
MPCA,
so
it
is
like
is
that
this
is
their
approval
of
the
response
action
planning,
construction,
contingency
plan
from
the
MPCA
for
their
plans.
There's
a
paragraph
in
here
says:
I
can
read
it.
The
rapp
construction
contingency
proposes
redevelopment
of
the
site's
parking
lot,
sidewalks
lighting,
landscaping
and
stormwater
management
system.
R
R
A
T
Agree,
you
know
sending
my
bills
on
this,
the
staff
is
it
correct
and
that
the
wrap
plan
was
approved
to
allow
the
renovation
of
this
parking
lot.
The
MPCA
brownfield
program
specifically
stated
that
they
did
not
feel
that
they
had
the
authority
to
review
or
approve
stormwater
issues
associated
with
this
property
that
was
not
under
their
purview.
T
A
Just
clarifying
and
then
constant
reporting
has
a
quick
question
when
you
say
they
didn't
approve,
they
didn't
approve
this.
The
assumption
of
liability
and
the
way
you're
stating
that
it
makes
it
seem
like
the
the
liability
would
be.
The
risk
would
be
on
to
you
and
that's
very
classified
as
not
approving,
excuse.
T
Me,
chairman,
shorter
other,
the
exact
language
at
number.
Five
and
the
letter
says
the
MPCA
brownfield
program.
Staff
does
not
provide
review
or
approval
of
the
discharge,
and/or
treatment
of
groundwater,
stormwater
or
any
other
dewatering
action.
The
the
the
documentation
also
goes
on
to
say
that
we
would
be
held
responsible
for
any
leaks
associated
with
it
and
any
movement
of
those
contaminants
beyond
the
property,
and
that
is
crystal
clear
and
it
is
not
then
part
of
our
no
association
which
no
association.
T
Letters
typically
provide
an
indemnity
for
the
liability
on
the
property
and
the
reason
you
do.
The
rap
program
is
to
identify
that
you're
making
modifications
under
that
new
Association
letter
to
extend
the
coverage
of
that
no
association
letter
to
those
activities
in
this
case
we're
not
only
not
extending
an
association
letter,
the
liability
isn't
being
increased.
That's
the
facts.
Y
B
It
seems
like
it
must
procedure.
The
the
developer
of
the
parking
lot
is
liable
for
any
leakage,
so
I
think
that's
a
little
bit
different
than
so
I
mean
I,
then
saying
the
MDC
a
of
course
they
didn't
give
grant
authority,
but
they
also
didn't
deny,
and
so
you
can't
do
it
and
say
it's
dangerous
and
say
we're
expecting
there
to
be
leakage.
They
simply
stated
probably
what
is
the
normal
course
of
action
with
everybody?
B
You
want
to
do
but
of
course,
you're
responsible
for
it,
because
it's
your
thing,
no
and
everybody
would
expect
that
anyway
and
you're
worried
about
the
kook.
That
will
be
leakage
in
you're
gonna,
be
repairing
it
regularly
because
of
what's
under
there
or
might
cost
so
much
to
fix.
What's
under
there,
that
it'll
be
ridiculous
and
it
would
be
cheaper
to
do
the
fifty
thousand.
B
The
one
thing
I'm
worried
about
with
the
green
roof
and
I
think
it's
a
creative,
innovative
idea
and
it
looks
like
you
might
manage
some
stormwater.
That
way.
My
sense
is
that
if
it's
something
under
the
parking
lot
now
you
probably
be
able
to
manage
not
only,
although
some
water
that
hits
the
roof
of
the
buildings,
but
also
all
the
water.
That's
on
the
parking
lot,
and
it
must
be.
B
So
I
guess
I
wanted
to
raise
that
point,
and
we
also
don't
we
don't
know
how
much
will
be
managed
with
a
green
roof.
We're
not
sure
if
the
depth
of
it
will
be
certainly
I,
think
if
it's
deeper
it
will
handle
more
water,
but
there's
the
potential
for
some
water
too,
even
leaving
the
green
roof
and
some
storm
incidents
I'm,
not
the
expert,
but
those
are
just
some
concerns.
I
want
to
raise.
B
A
Z
So
the
materials
we
got
I
think
initially
it
was
kind
of
framed
as
if
our
staff
was
in
opposition
to
the
state.
But
in
truth
the
state
didn't
have
an
opinion
and
we
do
that's
that
the
truth
of
the
matter
so
I,
don't
I,
know
I,
know
sitting
up
here,
not
being
an
expert
in
these
issues
and
be
and
then
kind
of
being
a
led
to
believe.
That
is
not
something
that
I
appreciate
from
the
materials
that
we
received
from
mr.
Z
Q
Q
You
know,
one
suggestion
might
be
more
of
a
condition
that
the
appellant
app
can
work
with
staff
to
identify
an
alternative
solution
which
may
or
may
not
include
a
green
roof
option
something
a
little
less
prescriptive.
Just
because,
if,
for
whatever
reason,
that
option
is
not
something,
staff
is
comfortable
with
we're
sort
of
back
to
square
one,
but
I
I
I'm,
just
trying
to
think
and
I
don't
know.
If
maybe
Public
Works
staff
has
any
thought
the
direction
I
don't.
A
Q
I'll
defer
to
councilmember
Ellison,
but
it
seems
it
seemed
to
sort
of
be
if
this
option
doesn't
prove
feasible
yeah.
These
are
ready
to
hold
the
applicant
or
the
appellant
here,
the
same
the
same
party
to
a
certain
standard
without
perhaps
having
to
go
back
through
this
or
a
similar
process.
I
think
was
the
question.
O
Ellis
and
I
would
maybe
answer
that
question
this
way
today
the
project
has
an
approved
plan
and
the
approved
plan
shows
the
underground
treatment.
The
project
is
in
construction,
and
so
time
is
of
the
essence
for
us
to
figure
out
if
the
intent
is
to
manage
stormwater
on
this
site,
what
options
are
available
not
being
the
owner
of
that
site
and
not
knowing
all
of
the
details
of
that
site?
O
I
can't
necessarily
speak
to
the
specifics
of
how
that
works
and
exactly
what
the
water
quality
treatment
that
the
water
body
that
this
drains
to
would
receive
so
from
a
staff
perspective.
I
think
we
would
prefer
to
be
directed
to
work
with
the
applicant
to
resolve
and
look
for
other
opportunities,
similar
to
what
the
city
attorney
said.
Options
for
managing
stormwater
on
the
site.
S
To
be
fair,
mister
I
didn't
talk
to
mr.
Doran
in
advance
of
making
the
suggestion.
In
fact,
I
didn't
talk
to
mr.
Doran
about
this
issue.
At
all,
there
was
a
meeting
with
staff
and
mr.
Doran
they've
tried
to
work
it
out.
So
my
idea
was
my
idea.
This
wasn't
like
some
premeditated
conversation
that
was
set
up
in
advance.
I
did
exactly
what
I
was
asked
to
do,
which
was
read.
S
Dorn
to
manage
stormwater
on
site
via
a
green
roof
or
other
best
management
practice
approved
by
the
city
staff,
because
I
will
trust
after
working
with
missus
Ernie
for
many
years,
including
on
the
ordinance
that
set
up
the
stormwater
program,
which
I
was
the
lead
author
of
I,
don't
believe
that
they
will
carry
out
any
atomist
towards
mr.
Doran
hour.
His
committee
and
will
work
with
his
team
and
will
work
with
him
to
work
something
out.
S
I
very
firmly
believe
that
we
might
all
be
on
different
sides,
but
I
think
that
we
all
want
the
same
thing,
and
so
I
will
reiterate
my
motion.
I
would
prefer
a
green
roof.
I
think
that
would
solve
a
lot
of
the
problem
and
I
know
a
lot
about
stormwater
management,
but
I
would
leave
it
up
to
miss
Ernie
and
others
to
determine
what
other
best
management
practice
would
be
acceptable.
That
does
not
involve
disrupting
underground
pollution.
That
is
my
key
concern.
Y
Mr.
chair
I'll
support
customer
convinced
motion,
I
just
wanted
to
say
you
know
we
have
a
number
of
letters
from
engineering
firms
they
were
hired
by
the
developer,
but
they
each
reiterate:
concern
about
runoff
based
on
this
system
and
my
kids
swimming
today.
Macaca
I
mean
I,
don't
care
who's
liable
for
it.
I
don't
want
my
children
in
in
contaminated
water
in
the
lake
any
more
than
it
already
is
today
and
so
I
just
I.
Y
S
To
be
clear,
there
is
no
storm
water
management
on-site
now
so
right
now
everything
mr.
Doran
inherited
and
everything
that's
happened
on
the
site
over
the
past.
20
years
has
been
bleeding
into
the
lake,
so
anything
we
do
will
be
an
improvement.
Now,
of
course,
I
believe
that
he
should
go
beyond
the
minimum,
but
there
is
nothing
happy
girl.
B
Think
you,
mr.
chair,
I,
appreciate
the
kind
of
refined,
emotion,
I,
think
that
does
open
it
up
to
look
at
what
the
parking
requirements
actually
are
and
the
needs
and
the
demands
on
the
site
in
the
circulation
and
seeing
if
we
can't
use
some
of
that
land
also
to
to
manage
some
of
this
rain
water,
which
was
kind
of
a
concern
that
I
had
and
I
won't
ask
to
understand
better
what
the
maximum
minimum
requirements
are
on
the
site
either.
But
people
can
hopefully
work
on
that
together
and.
A
Thank
you
and
I've
seen
a
couple
of
questions.
A
public
hearing
part
is
over,
but
I
do
without
seeing
any
other
questions.
I
don't
want
to
belabor
this
point.
I
want
to
thank
councilmember
Goodman
for
her
motion.
I
think
it
actually
captures
what
the
planning
the
discussion
of
Planning
Commission,
that
Planning
Commission
really
came
down
to
what
is
the
best
way
to
handle
stormwater
on
the
site,
and
we
felt
you
know
that
city
made
it
a
very
good
presentation
and
mr.
Dorn
did
did
not
review
those
points
as
much
I.
A
Think
as
we
dig
deeper
into
it.
Councilmember
Gordon's
suggestion
of
other
ways
to
mitigate
the
stormwater
and
as
well
as
those
pointed
out
where
it
cuts.
Member
Gooden
are
really
what
we
were
hoping
for
on
the
site
and
I'd
be
supportive.
Other
motion,
so
with
that
council
member
Gordon
Goodman's
motion
is
before
us
all.
Those
in
favor
say:
aye
aye,
all
those
opposed
eyes
have
it,
and
that
motion
carries.
A
Finally,
we
are
going
to
consider
items
three
and
four
on
our
agenda.
These
are
two
separate
appeals
on
the
same
project
and
we're
gonna
handle
the
items
together.
These
items
are
both
regarding
several
decisions
by
the
City
Planning
Commission,
to
allow
Planned
Unit
development
and
for
a
new
14
story,
a
mixed-use
development
located
at
36,
26,
I'm,
sorry,
33,
26,
33,
38
and
33
50,
University,
Avenue,
southeast
and
item
number.
A
G
G
These
sites
are
currently
occupied
by
a
warehouse
style
building
known
as
the
art
and
architecture
building
and
then
to
one-story,
auto
oriented
commercial
use
buildings.
The
proposal
is
to
demolish
the
existing
buildings
on
site
and
to
construct
a
new
14
story:
mixed-use
building
with
208
dwelling
units
and
approximately
34,000
square
feet
of
commercial
space
and
sorry
just
to
clarify
the
proposals
to
retain
the
existing
art
and
architecture
building
and
then
to
construct
a
new
mixed-use
building,
while
adaptively
reusing
that
part
of
the
existing
site.
G
G
G
This
is
the
site
plan
identifying
the
different
uses
at
the
ground
level.
You'll
notice
that
residential
uses,
which
are
highlighted
here
in
blue
and
retail
uses,
are
aligning
the
project
along
the
University,
Avenue,
South,
East
elevations,
and
then
the
Prospect
Terrace
elevation
of
the
rear.
This
is
showing
that
same
diagram.
At
the
second
level,
the
site
slopes
pretty
significantly
up
from
University
Avenue
South
East,
so
Prospect
Terrace
actually
lands
at
what
is
functionally
the
second
level
of
the
building.
G
There
is
an
increase
of
the
maximum
building
height
from
four
storeys
56
feet
to
14
stories
and
increases.
The
maximum
FA
are
from
three
point:
seven,
eight
to
three
point:
seven:
nine
and
then
an
exception
to
the
pedestrian-oriented
overlay
district
standards
for
those
two
plazas
that
identified
on
the
previous
image
and
a
reduction
of
the
minimum
loading
requirements,
so
that
totals
required
amenity
point
total
of
25.
G
The
applicant
is
proposing
several
amenities
to
meet
that
requirement,
including
lining
the
proposed
parking
garage
with
active
uses
along
the
public,
right-of-way
conservation
in
the
built
environment
and
the
adaptive
reuse
of
the
art
and
architecture.
Building.
The
two
plaza
elements
note
noted
on
the
previous
plan.
The
applicant
is
also
working
to
incorporate
a
public
art
feature
on
the
public,
plaza
at
the
intersection
of
University
in
Bedford
and
there's
a
proposed
pet
exercise
area
and
the
rear
of
the
site
and
then
a
rustic
recycling
storage
area.
So
I
will
conclude
my
presentation
here.
A
AA
AA
This
I
thought
this
was
the
right
height,
but-
and
it
was
too
short
so
I
had
to
add
that
this.
If
you
turn
it
this
way
to
lessen
the
view
from
University
Avenue,
you
will
completely
block
the
eastward
views
of
that
of
the
witch's
hat
tower
and
if
you
turn
it
this
way,
the
entire
face
of
the
building
is
facing
the
historic
district,
neighborhood
people's
homes
and
their
yards.
AA
As
these
scale
models
make
very
clear
and,
as
was
stated
by
vermilion
themselves,
and
the
Minneapolis
planner
in
charge
of
their
submittal
plans,
six
six
one
nine
has
a
definite
impact
on
two
historic
sites:
the
Prospect
Park,
which
has
had
tower
and
Tower
Hill,
Park
and
I
will
turn
in
these
documents.
For
you
in
my
original
appeal,
I
quote
the
planners
report
and
Peter
Crandall
stated
page.
AA
Seven
item
number
one:
preservation
of
views
of
landmark
buildings,
significant
open
spaces
because
in
sight
and
water
bodies
or
water
bodies,
the
most
significant
landmark
building
affected
by
the
proposed
development
is
the
witch's
hat
tower.
So
they
are
stating
themselves
that
the
most
significant
building
effected
is
this
one.
The
Prospect
Park
Tower.
AA
Because
the
impact
is
not
only
measured
in
contiguity,
it
is
measured
in
what
happens
to
these
assets.
If
such
a
plan
is
built,
it
is
obvious
that
adding
three
buildings-
inclusive
of
hundreds
of
dwelling
units,
thousands
of
square
feet
of
commercial
space
and
several
several
public
access
plazas-
are
small
parks,
will
impact
these
two
historic
sites,
the
views
to
and
from
their
physical
condition,
the
upkeep
of
their
surrounding
infrastructure.
AA
AA
Exactly
this
kind
of
impact
is
cited
by
the
state's
Historic
Preservation
Office.
In
a
recent
letter
regarding
ver,
millions
proposed
development
and
I
have
a
copy
of
that
for
you
as
well.
It
appears
to
share
a
portion
of
the
northern
boundary
of
the
residential
historic
district
and
is
within
200
feet
of
the
eastern
edge
of
the
parks
boundary.
AA
Therefore,
we
agree
that
this
new
development
appears
to
have
the
potential
to
affect
the
character,
defining
features
and
historic
integrity
of
both
properties,
minneapolis
law,
which
I
also
have
for
you
chapter
599
heritage
preservation
regulations
also
clearly
states
that
the
planner
in
charge
of
a
million's
application
had
a
duty
to
garner
HPC
review
when
he
agreed
in
writing
with
the
fact
that
a
historic
site
will
definitely
be
affected
by
plans.
Six
six
one,
nine
and
this
law
also
states
that
the
HPC
can
now
accept
your
request
for
review.
Based
on
these
two
appeals.
AA
V.
99.1
two
O
Heritage
Preservation,
Commission
e
jurisdiction
and
authority.
The
Commission
of
shale
have
the
following
powers
and
duties
in
connection
with
the
administration
of
this
chapter
point:
seven
to
hear
and
decide
appeals
from
decisions
of
the
Planning,
Director,
building,
official
or
other
official
five,
nine,
nine
1:10
definitions,
building
official,
the
individual
designated
by
the
director
of
the
Department
of
Community
Planning
and
economic
development
to
serve
as
the
city's
building
official
pursuant
to
Minnesota
Statutes
definition,
integrity,
the
authenticity
of
a
landmark
evidenced
by
its
feeling
or
Association
I.
Just.
A
AA
I
finish
the
sheriff
you
like.
Thank
you
very
much,
I
appreciate
that
significance,
the
importance
of
a
landmark
because
it
contains
or
is
associated
with
distinctive
elements
of
a
city
or
neighborhood
identity,
509
dot,
one
for
Oh
building
official.
The
building
officials
shall
have
the
power
and
duty
to
enforce
this
chapter.
AA
These
make
it
absolutely
clear
that
plans
six
six
one
nine
should
have
been
referred
for
HPC
review
because,
as
you
know,
in
statutory
language,
the
word
shell
designates
a
legal
requirement,
as
opposed
to
the
word
may,
which
would
have
left
it
up
to
discretionary
choice.
But
the
statute
uses
the
word
shell
over
and
over
again
in
regards
to
the
duties
of
responsibility
for
HPC
review
in
matters
of
historic
assets,
and
you
know
that
HPC
review
does
not
tell
a
developer.
AA
They
can't
do
something
they
determine
whether
or
not
there
is
an
impact
and
determine
possible
mitigating
choices.
That's
all
that
HPC
review
does,
and
that
is
what
the
statute
is
talking
about.
So
clearly,
you
have
a
duty
and
responsibility
to
correct
this
error
before
it
becomes
a
permanent
mistake.
Minneapolis
law
indicating
a
clear
requirement
for
HPC
review,
was
not
followed,
making
the
Planning
Commission's
approval
of
plan
six
six
one,
nine
negligent
and
premature.
AA
Consider,
finally,
that
the
Prospect
Park
his
hat
tower
was
designated
first
and
foremost
as
an
observation
tower
quote
in
1912,
the
annual
report
of
the
borg
of
park
board
commissioners
acknowledged
that
an
observation
tower
on
top
of
tower
hill
would
be
built
which
might
at
the
same
time
serve
as
a
water
tower
and
would
offer
splendid
view
over
a
large
part
of
Minneapolis
and
st.
Paul
eastward
in
letters
to
the
Minneapolis,
City
Council
and
the
board
of
park.
AA
Commissioners
in
1913,
the
City
Engineer
Frederick
Apple
and
outlined
his
design
for
a
water
tower
on
Tower
Hill
Park,
with
an
open,
360-degree
observation
deck
at
the
top
designed
for
public
use.
So,
as
originally
designed,
the
views
from
the
Prospect
Park
Tower
are
equally
as
important.
That's
it's
the
views
toward
it.
Please
correct
the
serious
error
that
was
made
regarding
plans,
six
six
one
nine
and
allow
the
hpc
to
do
its
statutorily,
instructed
job
regarding
these
very
important,
very
beloved
historic
assets
before
irreparable
damage
is
done.
Thank
you.
S
Chair
I
just
want
to
note.
Unfortunately,
I
have
a
major
constituent
meeting
at
noon
and
I'll
have
to
be
leaving
the
meeting
and
I
do
not
offer
any
disrespect
for
everyone
who
stood
so
long
waited
so
long,
especially
since
I
myself
caused
part
of
the
delay
by
dragging
out
the
last
public
hearing.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
folks
know.
I
had
a
constituent
thing
that
could
not
be
avoided.
My.
A
Question
I'll
add
that
I
appreciate
the
moving
your
schedule
just
to
accommodate
as
much
of
this
meeting
as
you
can
and
also
I
meant
no
disrespect
trying
to
cut
in
it's
just
that
issue
was
addressed
very
much
at
the
Planning
Commission.
We
only
have
a
limited
amount
of
time.
I
was
hoping
that
I
was
hoping
to
give
you
more
time
to
address
other
issues,
but
we'll
move
on
to
other
applicants
that
address
the
heritage
issue.
One.
AA
AB
So
Kayla
went
I
met,
one
see
more
Avenue,
Southeast
and
I
am
within
350
feet
of
the
project
and,
as
you
know,
we
have
three
different
basis
for
this
appeal,
and
just
so
you
understand
the
pacing
here.
The
first
one
is
going
to
take
the
most
time
of
the
three
and
I
will
endeavor
to
be
as
brief
as
possible,
and
then
Eric
amel
rhymes,
with
camel
will
present
the
variance
information
and
I
will
come
back
for
the
third
historic
preservation,
which
would
be
pretty
straightforward
there.
You
go,
that's
awesome!
Thank
you,
sir
yep.
AB
So
time
cost
and
quality
everything
here
is
about
trade-offs.
We
talked
about.
You
talked
about
that
earlier
with
some
other
projects.
As
you
know,
these
projects
are
complex.
There
are
any
number
of
moving
pieces
and
it
takes
time
to
suss
out
all
the
interrelated
parts.
The
issues
and
the
opportunity
is
how
they
ideally
add
up
every
decision
that
we
make
impacts
other
decisions,
and
we
know
that
design,
excellence
and
innovation
takes
time.
It
takes
iteration,
it
takes
critical
thinking
and
it
takes
considerable
effort.
Excellence
does
not
come
easy.
AB
Design
is
always
about
competing
values,
and
we
know
what
the
biggies
are.
We
see
them
here
in
the
art
and
architecture
project.
They
are
time
and
the
clock
is
ticking,
but
that
cannot
be
the
basis
for
determining
whether
or
not
the
project
is
a
go
or
not.
There
is
cost
which
we
truly
can't
fully
know
unless
the
developer
shares
his
Performa
and
there
is
quality,
which
is
arguably
the
the
costs
to
the
the
city
and
the
citizens
of
Minneapolis
and
st.
AB
Bigger
is
not
better.
Bigger
is
not
automatically
better,
but
bigger
can
be
better
and
we'll
get
to
that
in
a
bit.
So
I
was
trying
to
understand
how
this
project,
which
at
one
point
in
the
in
the
discussions,
was
a
4.5
1
FA,
are
was
being
proposed
in
a
1.7
FA
our
zone
and
how
we
are
still
at
a
14-story
tower
in
a
two
and
a
half
story
zone.
AB
Basically,
the
bigger
that
bottom
layer
is
the
higher
the
whole
cake
gets
to
be,
but-
and
here
I
want
to
thank
Peter
Crandall
for
his
willingness
to
answer
all
of
my
questions
with
speed
and
grace
together,
we
worked
through
some
inconsistencies
in
the
information
that
was
provided
to
the
city,
so
at
least
we're
looking
at
the
same
numbers.
Even
if
we
disagree
on
whether
or
not
certain
bonuses
should
or
should
not
be
granted
regardless.
Technically,
the
project
still
needs
an
F.
They
are,
but
the
amount
is
minimal
and
not
worth
contesting.
AB
AB
AB
AB
The
limit
is
always
20%
and
you
have
to
earn
multiple
bonuses
if
you
want
a
bigger
project,
in
other
words,
more
market
rate
square
footage-
and
it's
important
here
to
note
that
limiting
the
FA
are
bonuses
to
20%
is
a
recognition
that
the
overall
size
and
bulk
of
the
built
form
relative
to
its
open
space
can
have
dramatic
impact
and
consequence
to
the
scaling,
character
and
experience
of
a
place.
So
we
want
to
be
thoughtful
and
controlled
about
how
that
happens.
Let
thus
the
20%
limit.
AB
AB
Suffice
to
say
that
there
are
a
lot
of
ways,
a
lot
of
ways
which
is
good,
I,
guess
that
we
incentivize
having
activity
at
the
street
and
parking
at
the
rear.
The
developer
in
this
case,
by
making
one
big
move
of
putting
commercial
along
University
Avenue,
where
we
should
expect
it
and
parking
in
back
this
move
yields.
AB
The
maximum
floor
area,
ratio
of
the
multiple
family
buildings
can
be
increased
20%
if
all
required
parking
is
provided
within
the
building
entirely
below
grade
or
in
a
parking
garage
of
at
least
two
levels.
That's
a
20%
bonus
I
would
say,
that's
a
very
clear
double
dip,
but
we're
back
to
our
layer
cake.
The
reason
I'm
not
going
to
dwell
on
the
double
dipping
issue
and
all
the
other
sort
of
multiple
ways
that
that
affair
is
happening
is
in
this
project.
AB
So
let's
compare
those
two
zoning
districts
that,
if
they
are
increased
through
rezoning,
would
take
15
amenity
points
if
it
was
being
used.
The
mechanism
of
the
PUD
and
in
terms
of
its
primary
uses,
there's
no
difference
between
the
C
1,
C
2
and
C
3
zoning,
the
general
retail
sales,
the
office
restaurant
parking
multi-family
flowing
unit
is
a
mixed-use
planning
and
development.
Those
are
all
possible
within
the
c1
current
zoning.
AB
The
c1
and
c3
also
offer
the
same
bonus
potentials
for
the
enclosed
parking,
although
again
right
now,
that's
a
double
dip:
the
commercial
at
grade
and
affordable
and
affordable
housing.
There's
also
need
for
no
reasoning
from
the
industrial
transitioning
to
mixed-use.
This
isn't
a
transitioning
neighborhood
necessarily,
nor
is
there
a
need
to
have
those
three
different
parcels
that
the
developer
is
using,
though
not
desperate,
and
they
need
to
be
reconciled
into
a
single
zone.
AB
So
you
can
see
that
the
difference
really
comes
in
in
terms
of
that
base
if
they
are
of
whether
or
not
it's
going
to
be
one
point,
seven
or
a
two
point,
seven
base.
So
why?
Rezone
again
it's
a
significant
boost
to
the
available
if
they
are
the
maximum
if
they
are
and
the
maximum
height
are
at
play
again
in
a
substantive
way.
The
applicant
is
requesting
the
variance
on
top
of
this.
AB
The
conditional
use
permits
on
top
of
the
rezoning
and
the
rezoning
not
only
gives
additional
additional
at
they
are,
but
it
gives
the
project
a
new
base.
They
are
on
which
all
any
additional
bonuses
or
alternatives
are
calculated,
and
because
these
parcels
add
up
to
one
point,
eight
five
acres,
the
rezoning
is
giving
the
project
an
additional
80
thousand
four
hundred
and
fifty-one
square
feet
allowable
just
through
that
rezoning
and
as
a
matter
of
reference
just
so,
you
have
a
sense
of
scale
for
what
that
means.
AB
The
floor
plates
in
the
condominium
tower
in
the
most
recent
set
of
information
that
I
have
are
about
ten
thousand
five
hundred,
though
ten
thousand
five
hundred
square
feet
each
growth,
and
so
this
rezoning
in
one
fell
swoop
suddenly
gave
this
project
what
amounts
to
seven
and
a
half
additional
stories
floors
to
the
condo
tower
as
a
matter
of
as
a
sense
of
scale.
For
that.
This
also
means
that
each
twenty
percent
bonus
or
alternate
is
sixteen
thousand
square
feet
more
than
if
that
bonus
was
on
top
of
the
c1
zoning.
A
AB
A
AB
So,
what's
the
issue:
don't
we
want
these
parcels
to
be
redeveloped
with
more
bulk
than
they
have
right
now
with
more
activities,
more
dwelling
units
more
mixed-use?
Well,
it's
complex.
Here's,
the
state's
the
stadium
village,
small
area
plan
and
you'll
notice
that
there
is
that
dark
running
along
University
Avenue
that
designates
it
as
a
commercial
corridor.
That's
all
good
you'll
also
see
that
there's
peach
color
in
and
around
that
commercial
corridor
of
University
Avenue.
That's
all
good,
but
then
take
a
look
at
the
site
area.
AB
It's
looped
in
an
orange
boundary
that
is
identified
as
a
neighborhood
commercial
note
and
that
is
distinctly
different
than
the
brown
boundary,
which
is
the
activity
center
to
the
west
near
the
University
of
Minnesota
campus,
and
here
is
that
adoption
of
the
small
area
plan
into
the
Minneapolis
Comprehensive
Plan.
Again
you
see
that
commercial
corridor
mixed
use,
neighborhood
node
the
activity
center,
is
near
the
University
of
Minnesota
campus.
AB
There
is
clear
recognition
here
that
this
stretch
of
University
on
either
side
of
Tower
Hill
with
is
with
its
eclectic
mix
of
residential
Homes
and
Gardens,
is
different
than
further
west
near
the
LRT,
and
it
is
certainly
different
than
further
west
near
the
university
area,
so
another
one
of
the
city's
maps
to
make
that
clear.
Again
we
see
the
commercial
corridor
mixed
use,
neighborhood
node.
The
activity
center
is
near
the
University
of
Minnesota.
So
what
I
see
here
as
I
see
a
c1,
neighborhood,
commercial
district
or
I
see
a
c2
neighborhood
corridor
commercial
district.
AB
AB
So
back
to
the
cake,
the
reason
why
this
matters
is
because,
in
the
rush
to
rezone
these
properties
properties,
which
abut
a
residential
neighborhood,
the
city
would
be
throwing
away.
Incentives
like
like
the
commercial
district
as
a
bright
bonus
for
affordable
housing,
and
we
are
undermining
the
very
reasons
of
why
the
PUD
exists,
which
is
to
give
alternatives
in
exchange
for
amenities
and
to
build
excellence
and
innovation
into
the
project
as
we
protect
and
preserve
our
heritage.
AB
Well,
there's
nothing
wrong
with
art
on
the
corner,
we're
leaving
on
the
PUD
table
a
building
that
could
meet
LEED
standards
or
be
three
sustainable
building,
which
is
a
homegrown
standard
here
in
the
University
of
Minnesota
green
ruffs,
all
of
which
are
worth
10
amenity
points
through
the
PUD
process,
and
then
they
could
be
used
each
birth
to
multiple
five
point
at
they
are
bonuses,
green
roof,
on-site,
renewable
energy,
energy
efficiency.
These
are
all
different
10-point
amenity
items
through
the
PUD.
AB
The
zoning
is
essentially
a
taking
from
the
from
using
the
full
force
of
the
PUD
to
give
amenities
that
we
want
in
this
neighborhood.
Zoning
is
meant
to
give
us
all
some
level
of
predictability,
even
as
things
change,
the
double
dip
of
the
fer
is
not
warranted,
and
rezoning
here
is
not
justified
by
the
current
or
the
future
comp
plan.
Neither
is
it
warranted
because
it
ultimately
undermines
the
most
important
city
growth
goals
that
we
have
know.
So
it's
the
earth.
Thank.
A
AC
So
I'm
going
to
hit
up
a
much
more
narrow
band
piece
that
I
believe
is
decided
improperly
in
the
review
of
this
planned
development.
Count
two
on
the
art
and
architecture
plan
application
is
item,
C
variance
for
a
decrease
in
rear
yard
setback
from
31
feet
to
10
feet.
The
basis
of
the
variance
request
cannot
be
economic
alone
for
the
ordinance
five
25.5
require
work
required
findings.
A
variance
may
be
granted
from
the
regulations
of
the
zoning
code.
Only
when
the
applicable
board
Commission
makes
each
of
the
following
findings
based
on
the
evidence
presented.
AC
So
finding
one
is
about
practical
difficulties
exists
in
complying
with
the
ordinance
because
the
circumstance
unique
to
the
property,
unique
circumstances
were
not
created
by
persons
presently
having
an
interest
in
the
property
and
not
the
base
and
not
based
on
the
economic,
not
based
on
economic
considerations
alone.
So
it
says
right
there
in
the
text
of
the
ordinance.
I
can't
be
economic.
However,
in
the
exchange
at
the
Planning
Commission,
the
developer
clearly
testified
the
following.
AC
We
increase
the
footprint
of
the
building
as
a
direct
response
to
what
the
community
was
telling
us
that
we
just
need
for
the
building
to
get
shorter.
If
it
needs
to
get
wider,
that's
okay,
it
was
reported.
We
were,
we
just
want
it
to
get
shorter,
so
this
was
the
best
we
could
do
the
best.
We
could
do
in
preserving
the
amount
of
square
footage
that
we
need
to
make
the
project
financeable.
AC
It
is
not
about
profit,
it's
about
whether
the
project
can
go
or
not.
This
is
this
was
absolutely
as
far
as
we
could
go.
Is
the
contention
well
regarding
that
requirement
or
finding
one
the
rationale
that
the
project
cannot
be
realized
without
the
city,
granting
the
rear
yard
easement
is
economic
and
convenient
only
as
just
said
on
economics,
you
hear
the
applicants
state
point-blank
that
the
hardship
is
economic,
that
is,
that
is
not
acceptable.
AC
Okay,
this
study
shows
that
you
can
achieve
a
31-foot
setback
which
is
required
for
the
14
story,
building
by
just
moving
the
pieces
around
this
one's
fairly
dramatically,
putting
the
condo
piece
on
the
corner
over
to
the
right
and
switching
it
with
it
with
an
apartment
building
stuff,
but
it
can
be
fit
into
the
site.
It's
the
second
plan
keeps
pieces
where
they
were
before
sculpts
them
somewhat
and
stays
back
from
that
setback.
AC
Would
also
say
that
there's
a
finding
three
regarding
altering
or
somehow
causing
a
detriment
to
the
neighboring
properties,
guarding
the
health,
safety
and
welfare
of
the
public
realm
and
the
private
property
owners.
Again,
the
unique
circumstances
the
site
come
into
play
it's
on
the
side
of
the
hill
right,
so,
in
addition
to
being
part,
budding
up
to
a
historic
neighborhood,
it's
steep
the
proposer,
the
the
applicant
for
development
needs
to
cut
back
that
site
to
create
the
podium
for
the
building
up
to
40
feet
of
depth
into
the
hillside.
Well,
they're,
nice.
AC
You
know
there
is
a
standard
that
says
that
they
cannot.
You
know,
cause
harm
to
the
adjacent
property,
but
we
need
to
hold
this
to
a
higher
bar,
because
there
is
no
evidence
of
how
this
is
done
in
the
application,
and
it's
no
small
feat:
I've
got
some
experience
in
doing
this
on
the
expansion
of
the
Convention
Center,
which
has
tie
backs
into
the
right
way.
The
Walker
Park
Walker
Art
Center
parking
garage
as
permanent
tie
backs
in
order
to
deal
with
the
the
Unbounce
earth
pressure
cause
on
that
hillside,
which
is
a
comparable
case.
A
Word
like
that
jump
in
you've
got
two
minutes
left
I'm
at
that
point
like
the
applicant
to
speak
for
ten
minutes
and
then
we'll
be
opening
the
public
hearing.
You
mentioned
the
third
part,
so
I,
don't
know.
This
has
been
very
helpful
to
hear
alternatives
and
I
would
like
the
appellant
tells
applicant
to
also
kind
of
address,
some
of
that,
especially
a
setback,
but
again
with
a
few
of
another
part.
Please
bring
that
up.
A
A
A
This
one
has
gone
quite
long
and
I'm
trying
to
be
very
kind
about
like
how
much
time
we've
had
have
been
very
clear
about
how
much
extra
time
that
said,
it's
that,
when
that
has
happened
to
myself
when
I've
been
in
your
position,
you
go
right
to
the
points
that
you
think
will
make
them
my
biggest
impact.
We're
nearing
12:15
I,
understand
the
frustration,
but
these.
A
M
A
Are
apologizing
to
him?
Everyone
in
this
room
has
two
minutes
after
the
public
hearing,
which
I've
been
very
clear
about
the
applicant
will
also
get
10
minutes
to
speak,
which
we
try
not
to
limit
that,
but
because
of
the
other
times
we
are
going
to
limit
that
to
10
minutes.
All
of
you
can
have
two
minutes
to
speak.
I
hear
that
many
people
have
already
signed
up
we're
already
past
Committee
time.
Other
people
need
to
use
this
room.
If
you
can
continue
I'll
add
two
minutes.
If
you
would
like
to
kind
of
wrap
up.
AB
AB
This
is
a
point
that
needs
to
be
made
about
using
precedent
like
just
because
all
these
other
towers
are
going
up
and
they're
tall.
Why
can't
mine
be
taller?
It's
important
to
recognize
that
those
towers
that
are
being
called
out
as
precedent
are
further
down
west
on
University
Avenue
they're
at
lower
elevations
they're,
essentially
a
70,
a
98
foot
difference
between
the
wahoo
Tower,
which
is
called
out
as
an
11-story
precedent,
and
what
the
condominium
tower
would
be.
AB
A
Y
You
mr.
chair
I
just
wanted
to
comment
briefly,
as
the
next
speaker
is
getting
set
up.
That
I
think
part
of
what
the
chair
is
trying
to
help
support
is
that
we
are
only
able
to
allow
allowed
to
vote
on
the
specific
things
that
are
here
in
our
printed
agenda,
that
are
the
specific
land
use
applications
and
so
I
think
he's
been
encouraging
speakers
to
focus
on
these
particular
issues
and
we
do
have
the
full
packet
in
front
of
us,
including
the
appeal.
Y
So
we
have
a
lot
of
information
so
again,
I
think
the
chair
is
just
encouraging
folks
to
focus
on
the
arguments
that
are
most
salient
to
these
specific
land
use
applications
that
we
will
be
voting
on
and
so
that
we
have
enough
time
to
consider
the
applications
and
complete
our
business
before
the
next
committee
meeting
begins,
which
is
actually
unusual,
but
we're
bumping
up
against
that
today.
So
thank.
AD
Members
of
the
committee-
thank
you.
My
name
is
Mike
rich
I'm
with
dkv
group
and
I'm,
representing
the
Vermillion
development
and
I'm
here
with
Mark
7
who's,
our
counsel
as
well
and
I
just
want
to
let
you
know
that
we
appreciate
staffs
efforts
throughout
this
process
and
we
agree
with
their
findings.
There's
three
points
that
I
want
to
make
and
I'll
Butte
I'll
try
to
be
brief.
AD
The
first
is
our
community
engagement
effort.
It's
been
extensive.
We
met
over
10
times
with
the
Prospect
Park
Association,
who
also
set
up
a
task
force
group
who
we
met
with
numerous
times,
and
we
have
also
met
with
the
neighborhood
at-large
on
a
couple
of
times
as
well.
Throughout
that
process,
the
the
members
of
the
of
these
groups
they're
very
knowledgeable,
they're,
sophisticated,
very
intelligent
related
to
all
these
aspects
that
we're
looking
at
in
terms
of
molding
and
shaping
the
project.
AD
The
task
force
and
the
Association
have
numerous
architects
on
these
on
these
groups,
as
well
as
other
professionals
who
are
very
wise
to
how
all
these
projects
work,
and
the
goal
has
always
been
to
work
with
them
and
shape
them
all
the
project
to
get
something
that
we
all
can
agree
to.
The
final
outcome
of
that
was
signed
memorandum
of
understanding,
as
voted
by
the
Landy's
committee.
The
Prospect
Park
Land
Use
Committee,
which
involved
over
a
hundred
people
and
it
was-
was
voted
a
two-thirds
majority
to
to
adopt
a
memorandum
of
understanding.
AD
So
the
result
of
that
is
exactly
what
we
were
hoping
to
get
through
through
our
work
with
the
neighborhood
groups
and
city
staff
is
an
excellent
project
of
highest
quality.
This.
This
is
a
project
that
is
molded
and
shaped
it
has
it
has
space
as
positive,
it
has
gaps
within
the
buildings,
its
courts
that
has
provides
light
and
their
variety
quality
materials.
All
these
are
are
part
of
the
process
that
we
went
through
to
create
something
that
was
significant,
very
unique
and
distinct
and
different
from
the
other
projects
that
have
occurred
along
the
corridor.
AD
Some
of
these
features
are
a
project,
that's
a
collection
of
buildings
that
keeps
the
arts
and
architecture
as
a
centerpiece
of
the
development,
so
that
project
it'll
maintain
its
uses
as
commercial
and
office
and
retail,
and
we
think
that's
very
important
to
to
preserve
some
of
the
existing
fabric.
That's
on
site.
We
have
a
project.
That's
a
fault,
has
a
full
array
of
mixed
uses.
None
should
be
overlooked,
but
commercial
office,
retail
restaurant
services.
We
have
multiple
housing
types.
We
have
for
sale,
condominiums
as
well
as
apartments.
AD
We
provide
intimate
public
courts
and
spaces
with
pocket
parks,
we're
looking
at
providing
public
we're
enhancing
the
the
corner
park
area.
That's
an
entrance
into
the
neighborhood
we're
vastly
improving
the
University
Avenue
pedestrian
experience
by
greening
that
up
by
creating
wider
sidewalks
by
providing
activated
uses
along
that
entire
frontage
of
University
Avenue,
as
we
go
along
to
the
back
and
I'm
I'm
almost
done
here
as
we
move
around
to
the
back
of
Prospect
Terrace.
We
through
the
changes,
we've
emitted
any
back
door
to
this.
AD
This
is
also
a
front
facade
with
walk-up
units,
intensive
landscaping
and
all
in
the
name
of
trying
to
create
a
great
project
again.
The
introduction
of
public
art,
the
stepping
and
molding
and
shaping
of
the
project
is
all
through
the
our
interactions
with
the
neighborhood
and
the
task
force
committee,
and
these
are
just
a
slew
of
the
things
that
we're
we're
trying
to
do.
AD
AE
Good
afternoon
I'm
mark
Savin
I'm,
a
lawyer
with
Frederick
Shannon
Byron.
My
work
address
is
200
South
Street
I
represented
bkv
I
represent
Vermillion,
who
was
a
developer
here,
I'm
working
with
bkb
Mike
Mike
Chris.
My
remarks
will
be
short,
I
speak
it
to
you,
as
one
not
only
represents
the
developer
here,
but
I
lived
in
Prospect
Park
for
25
years.
I
know
this
neighborhood
exception
and
well
many
of
the
people
here.
Some
in
favor,
some
opposed
are
people.
I
know
have
known
for
many
years.
AE
AF
AE
In
Prospect
Park
that
there
you
should
get
two-thirds
support
for
anything,
that's
the
nature
of
this
neighborhood.
It
feels
strongly
and
has
strong
opinions,
and
it
makes
those
opinions.
Mellon
you'll,
hear
some,
but
what's
most
important,
for
you
to
know
is
that
two-thirds
of
the
people
following
an
intensive
task
force
with
architect
participated
and
any
architect
was-
was
welcomed
to
participate.
Not
all
did
came
up
with
a
plan
that
resulted
in
a
Memorandum
of
Understanding
I.
AE
The
developer
in
this
project
is
committed
to
a
high
quality
project.
So
let
me
talk
very
briefly
about
that
variance
question.
There
was
extensive
negotiation
that
went
on
with
the
neighborhood
about
the
shape
and
massing
and
size
of
the
building,
and
it's
not
difficult
as
an
architectural
matter
to
make
a
math
that
that's
more
compact.
The
question
here
is:
can
you
put
together
a
quality
development
and
quality
here
has
a
meaning,
it
means
parts,
it
means
light.
It
means
view,
means
amenities.
It
means
a
building
that
solves
a
problem.
AE
That's
been
present
on
the
University
Avenue
for
at
least
50
years,
the
ragged
edge
of
University
Avenue
from
Bedford
leading
up
to
the
park.
I,
don't
remember
what
it
was
before
it
was
the
SA
station
and
then
before
the
SA
station,
abandoned
itself
and
became
the
asphalt
or
they
were
all
just
abominable
uses
of
that
property.
It
was
a
shame
that
that's
what
happened
there.
This
is
an
opportunity
to
do
something
else:
to
do
real
quality.
AE
One
of
the
reasons
I'm
moved
from
this
neighborhood
was
my
parents
were
moving
to
town
okay
and
there
was
no
place
for
my
parents
to
live
in
Prospect
Park
I
moved
to
st.
Paul,
710
River
Drive,
it's
a
high-rise
building.
It
gave
them
everything
they
needed.
So
one
of
the
new
things
here
is
this
project
presents
an
opportunity
for
ownership
for
more
people
to
enjoy
Prospect
Park
Prospect
Park
is
a
small
enclave.
If
you
want
to
live
next
to
the
hill,
maybe
there
are
six
ten
houses
that
face
right
on
the
park.
AE
AE
A
Bald
on
one
second
I'd
like
to
say
when,
if
someone
is
known
as
speaking,
let's
let
them
speak,
and
this
is
already
getting
a
little
out
of
control.
So
I
want
to
stop
it
now,
when
other
people
are
speaking
and
come
up
during
the
public
comment
period,
I
will
not
tolerate
other
side.
Discussions.
Other
comments
on
that
when
people
have
the
mic,
they
have
the
mic
and
we
will
respect
that
and
that's
I
just
want
to
set
that
down.
You
can
have
one
more
minute
so
to
finish
up,
please
thank
you.
In.
AE
The
25
years
I
lived
there,
the
the
tower
was
subject
to
repeated
vandalism
and
graffiti
the
more
eyes
we
have
on
the
park,
the
richer.
We
are,
the
better
its
protected,
the
more
people
get
to
say:
I
live
near
Prospect,
Park
I
live
near
the
tower.
I'm,
proud,
I
lived
there,
restricting
the
number
of
people
that
way
they
can
live
there,
keeping
a
development,
that's
keeping
a
what's
there.
Now,
it's
absolutely
the
wrong
thing
to
do,
proceeding
with
a
development
that
seals
that
edge
and
provides
opportunity.
AE
AE
B
AE
No
no
I
know
that
was
in
the
memorandum
of
understanding.
There
is
a
term
pertaining
to
cooperative
of
meeting
LEED
standards,
I,
don't
know
exactly
which
LEED
standards
they
are,
but
that
is
within
the
memorandum
of
understanding
this.
This
developer
is
committed
to
make
high
quality
project.
Okay.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
You
if
there
are
no
other
questions,
I'm
going
to
open
up
the
public
hearing.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
and
with
that,
like
we've
done
with
all
of
the
other
hearings
before
this
we'll
be
giving
two
minutes
for
any
member
of
the
public
to
speak,
please
sign
up
with
the
clerk.
If
not,
you
can
stand
up
and
just
remember
to
say
your
name
I'm
and
address
for
the
record.
Is
anyone
interested
in
speaking,
come
on
up.
AG
My
name
is
Susan
Larson
Fleming
I
live
at
147,
Orlan
and
I
was
originally
going
to
say.
A
few
things
about
I
will
say
something
about
neighborhood
involvement,
leading
up
to
the
historic
designation
of
the
water
tower
and
Tower
Hill
Park
started
back
in
phase
one
of
the
NRP
participation.
Prospect
Park
is
one
of
the
earliest
participants.
The
plan
was
approved
in
1995.
AG
It
included
the
inventory
and
assessment
of
potential
historic
properties
with
the
goal
of
preserving
historic
buildings
and
green
space
with
the
neighborhood
boundaries
the
water
tower
had
C
achieved
local
designation
in
1980
for
national
designation
in
1997.
The
survey
of
housing
was
completed
in
2001
and
in
2002
the
remaining
money
for
the
national
designation
of
the
park
of
the
neighborhood
itself,
which
was
achieved
in
2015
I,
would
also
like
to
say
that
I
was
at
the
original
meeting.
Where
Vermillion
presented
their
proposal.
AG
That
isn't
true
and
in
fact,
going
right.
Next
to
the
this
proposed
development
on
the
park
is
the
new
headquarters
of
the
textile
center,
which
is
a
building
that
may
be
designed
by
David
sambala,
who
is
a
noted
architect,
and
that
is
going
to
be
an
extremely
wonderful
amenity
for
the
entire
surrounding
area.
M
AH
My
name
is
Laura
price,
I'm
resident
of
Prospect,
Park
and
others
use
this
visual.
My
main
point
is
that
neighborhood
concern
remains
strong
and
we
can
do
better.
The
Planning
Commission
heard
from
the
developer
and
task
force
members
about
high
levels
of
community
support
and
I'm
here
to
say
this
is
overstated
and
there's
context
that
shows
a
different
story.
They
described
a
listening
session
in
May
with
over
150
people
and
said
how
there
was
a
third
in
support
and
the
third
against.
AH
However,
the
summer
report
tells
a
different
story
of
63
people
that
spoke
11
were
in
favor
of
the
project
and
the
rest
discussed
concerns
that
is
not
equivalent
in
numbers.
Secondly,
they
referenced
being
in
line
with
the
community
petition
of
or
over
800
people.
In
fact,
that's
not
aligned
with
the
petition
and
we're
not
still
there.
Yet.
The
petition
strove
to
protect
views,
while
allowing
reasonable
development
of
up
to
ten
thirty
feet
near
the
water
tower.
In
fact,
the
proposal
has
two
storeys
higher
than
that
and
even
higher
with
the
pergola.
AH
Thirdly,
the
MOU
vote
of
two-thirds
has
been
regularly
cited
as
demonstrating
widespread
community
support.
In
fact,
that
was
a
bad
process
at
that
meeting
of
more
than
a
hundred
people.
There
was
little
time
for
neighborhood
concern
and
review.
It
was
listed
as
a
take-it-or-leave-it
situation
and
in
fact
we
were
told
that
it
was
already
scheduled
at
the
Planning
Committee
meeting,
where
it
would
be
heard
likely
approved
an
even
subtly
threaded
that
may
be
approved
at
seventeen
stories,
so
it
was
really
only
a
way
to
stay
at
the
table.
AH
It
was
not
a
good
situation
and
then,
based
on
that
reasonably
the
Planning
Commission
might
have
concluded,
as
stated
here,
that
they
did
a
great
job
of
neighborhood
support
and
community
support.
In
fact,
I
strongly
assert
that
they
work
closely
with
a
small
task
force
that
was
rather
enamored
of
the
developer
and
in
fact,
in
the
broader
community
it
was
not
effectively
working
with
the
broader
community.
So
in
conclusion,
we
have
legitimate
concerns
that
remain.
We
aren't
trying
to
just
shut
the
project
down.
AH
AI
M
AI
AJ
AI
Here,
okay,
that
fence
has
then
been
there
actually
much
longer
than
in
the
23
years.
We
have
lived
there
because,
shortly
after
buying
it
I
had
to
replace
the
posts
that
had
rotted
out
okay,
now
at
first
I
thought,
this
property
was
ours
by
right
of
adverse
possession,
but
it
turns
out
that
both
of
the
pieces
of
property
involved
have
Torrance
deeds
which
are
immune
to
adverse
possession.
So
there's
another
principle:
that's
boundary
by
practical
location,
and
this
fence
is
the
epitome
of
a
boundary,
my
practical
location.
AI
On
the
other
side
of
the
fence,
there
is
a
very
steep
Bank.
The
building
which
is
under
discussion.
Art
and
architecture
is
a
four-story
building.
The
roof
of
that
building
is
level
with
our
yard
and
that
Bank
goes
down
40
feet.
Vermilion
is
planning
actually
to
build
20
feet
down
from
the
street
level.
So
but
that's
not
important
the
point
it
is
here,
but
the
fact
that
I
own
this
property
has
not
been
taken
into
account.
Four
million
plants
extend
over
my
property.
The
setback
of
three
feet
then
comes
and
I
presume.
AI
AK
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
David
Kendall
and
I,
along
with
my
wife,
Amanda
and
two
children
live
at
29th
Clarence
Avenue.
My
house
sits
directly
behind
the
proposed
14
story
of
a
million
condominium
tower
when
my
wife
and
I
purchased
this
house
and
Clarence.
Four
and
a
half
years
ago,
I
made
certain
to
inquire
about
the
zoning
and
the
property
located
behind
on
University
I
received
very
clear
information
from
the
realtor
city
and
PPA
that
it
was
zoned
to
NAV
stories,
a
height
that
would
put
any
development
just
below
her
level,
with
the
hillside.
AK
On
the
back
of
the
property
remembers
of
the
PPA
Association,
who
have
invested
in
significant
time
in
developing
a
neighborhood
plan,
even
create
a
fantastic
visual
model.
I
received
a
sir
of
the
PPA
and
city
would
advocates,
preserve
the
sense
of
the
Prospect
Park
neighborhood
by
advocating
to
limit
the
height
on
the
south
side
of
University
Avenue.
AK
Additionally,
it
was
noted
that
the
mechanicals
would
be
placed
behind
the
property
in
that
location.
Again
the
boundaries
were
being
pushed
and
those
most
impacted
were
being
impacted
even
more
while
there
appeared
to
be
a
compromise
on
this
project
in
terms
of
the
height,
the
reality
is
that
we
closest
to
the
tower
were
actually
being
compromised
in
order
to
maintain
what
the
developer
considers
the
only
way
to
make
the
project
an
economically
viable
project.
The
burden
has
been
placed
on
us
I.
AK
U
My
name
is
Willie
Watkins
59,
Seymour
Avenue
southeast
I
speak
on
behalf
of
myself,
my
family,
my
kids
and
the
30
some-odd
neighbors
that
couldn't
make
it
here
today
to
say
that
they're
very
disappointed
by
this
process
being
takeover
of
our
own
PPA
and
the
false
representation
and
misinformation.
That's
been
shared
with
us
in
a
very
brief
period
of
time
and
now
being
passed
on.
You
quite
quite
passionately
over
here.
I'd
also
like
to
make
a
few
quick
points.
U
Here
we
go
to
take
such
other
actions
are
as
our
reasonable
and
necessary
for
the
administration
and
enforcement
of
this
chapter.
Eight
point
nine
point:
three:
encourage
property
owners
and
developers
to
consider
historic
resources.
Early
in
the
development
review
process
by
promoting
the
preliminary
review
and
early
consultation
with
preservation,
staff
hasn't
been
done.
U
Moving
on
the
scale
and
character
of
surrounding
uses,
staff
report
does
not
acknowledge
or
make
a
case
to
specifically
support
the
building's
proposed
height
relative
to
the
scale
and
character
of
surrounding
uses.
The
proposed
height
of
158
plus
feet
1060
feet.
Elevation
is
grossly
out
of
scale
with
residential
homes
on
properties
of
putting
the
development.
The.
AF
Hi,
my
name
is
Bridget
Ferguson
and
I
live
at
65,
Clarence
adjacent
to
the
property
in
question,
and
the
last
time
we
really
worked
on.
How
do
we
make
transit
work?
We
built
highways
through
neighborhoods
and
had
devastating
effects
that
were
just
beginning
to
address
now
and
now
we're
looking
at
how
do
we
develop
transit?
AF
Also-
and
it's
really
important
and
I
appreciate
that
density
is
taken
into
account
in
that
we're
saying:
let's
do
it
along
transit,
but
I
think
what
we
need
to
do
is
we
need
to
be
nuanced
about
it
and
we
need
to
pay
attention
to
where
it
happens,
because
from
even
one
side
of
the
street
to
the
other,
the
barrier
between
a
zone
where
there's
a
commercial
zone
and
the
residential
is
very
different
in
different
places
along
University.
So
it
would
have
a
different
impact
in
different
places.
AF
AF
The
other
piece
that
I
wanted
to
say
is
that
I
understand
that
there
has
been
a
long
time
of
working
with
people
in
the
neighborhood.
Truly,
it
has
been
an
extremely
small
group
of
people.
I
live
on
Clarence
Avenue,
it's
obvious
to
them
that
their
project
will
impact
my
house,
my
potential,
their
foundation,
the
value
of
my
house,
all
those
kinds
of
things.
No
one
ever
came
to
my
door.
Nobody
dropped
anything
in
my
mailbox.
AF
Nobody
ever
talked
to
me
and
they
said
well,
you
know
you
could
have
found
us
I
feel
like
that's
really
on
them
and
to
say
that
they've
been
working
with
a
neighborhood
for
that
long.
When
that
vote
came
at
that
meeting,
there
was
absolutely
a
feeling
of.
If
we
don't
say
yes
to
this,
we're
gonna
have
30
stories
behind
us
and
that
is
even
worse
for
people
in
the
neighborhood,
so
I
think
we're
moving
ahead
a
little
too
fast
on
this,
and
we
needed
to
look
at
the
historic
situation
in
the
neighborhood.
Well,.
AJ
Hello,
my
name
is
Lisa
Holton
I
live
on
35
Clarence,
Avenue
and
I
am
speaking
on
behalf
of
Helen
kipnuk,
who
lives
on
21
Seymour
Avenue,
who
had
to
lead
for
her
oncologist
appointment.
So
I
will
read
from
her
statement.
Citizen
secured
more
than
800
signatures
in
a
very
short
time
for
petition
to
not
build
above
absolute
elevation
of
1030
feet
within
600
feet
of
the
witch's
hat
tower.
AJ
Yet
the
speed
of
the
project
approvals
and
associated
rezoning
hasn't
given
residents
any
reasonable
opportunity
to
respond
to
this
threat
against
what
is
most
unique
about
our
neighborhood,
an
iconic
city
landmark
and
ethic
participatory
governance.
That
Minneapolis
is
rightly
proud
of.
We
expect
variances.
We
expect
some
areas
will
be
raised
owned
from
older
users
to
newer
uses.
We
expect
some
conditional
uses,
but
to
put
them
all
the
same.
Massive
project
doesn't
allow
for
a
rate
of
change
that
allows
residents
to
weigh
in
in
any
meaningful
way.
We
want
more
from
this
project.
AJ
We
are
not
here
to
shut
down
this
project.
Aria
has
been
available
in
keeping
with
the
vermilion
website
statement
that
they
want
to
take
on
tough
complex
conditions
and
bring
their
best.
While
we
may
be
testing
their
fortitude,
we
are
asking
for
more
for
our
neighborhood
and
for
our
city
than
what
we
have
so
far
received.
We
don't
want.
V
AJ
Of
us
to
be
a
city
that
grows
by
adding
square
footage
of
mixed-use
and
high-density,
that
could
be
plopped
down
almost
anywhere
and
that
destroys
high
value
that
already
exists
and
makes
the
city
unique.
We
want
more
Prospect
Park
already
includes
duplexes
four
flexes
rental
units
and
affordable
houses.
Housing
excuse
me,
vermilion
says
that
they
approach
every
project.
In
these
terms
of
these
principles,
I
quote:
get
creative.
AJ
We
question
we
pressure
test,
we
refine
this,
ensures
we
design
the
best
solutions,
no
matter
how
complex
the
challenges,
then
we
think
of
ways
to
make
them
even
better.
That
is
the
kind
of
effort
and
cooperation
that
we
want
for
our
city
in
our
neighborhood
and
we
haven't
gotten
it
and
I
would
like
to
go
on
record
as
a
35,
Clarence
Avenue
address
that
like
Bridget,
no-one
has
connected
with
us.
Nothing
at
our
door.
Stop
no
email,
I'm
part
of
the
Prospect
Park
I'm
on
the
list,
but
no
one
has
connected
with
us.
Thank.
A
AL
My
name
is
the
joy
a
little
bit
17c
more
just
a
half,
a
block
from
the
development
and
I'd
like
to
focus
my
comments
today
on
neighborhood
engagement,
which
has
both
spoken.
Several
of
my
neighbors
have
already
spoken
to
the
first.
The
first
time
we
actually
heard
about
this
project
in
detail
was
May
3rd
and
it
was
at
the
neighborhood
infant
meeting
and
it
took
only
seven
weeks
from
then
until
it
went
before
the
city,
this
project,
with
very
little
opportunity
for
us
to
have
full
neighborhood
engagement,
not
just
small
groups.
AL
One
of
my
main
concerns,
as
this
project
moved
along
was
the
fact
that
the
the
developers
vermillion
were
were
allowed
a
10-foot
setback
from
the
historic
homes
along
Clarence
Avenue
and
a
two
to
three
foot
setback
underground
for
the
underground
parking.
My
question
is:
how
will
the
construction
and
the
completion
of
the
project
affect
these
homes
along
Clarence
Avenue?
How
will
the
disruption
of
construction
affect
livability
the
memoranda
of
understanding
that
the
task
force
worked
out
with
the
developer
states
that
safety
and
screening
accommodations
need
to
be
included
and
there's
no
space
for
this?
AL
AL
A
E
E
There
are
places
in
every
city
where
the
combination
of
geography
and
architecture
tells
story.
They
tell
a
story
of
the
history
of
the
city,
just
a
mile
from
here,
for
example,
and
the
mill
the
river
the
stone
arch
bridge.
They
tell
the
story
of
the
river
navigation
of
opening
up
the
northwest
of
the
milling.
The
built
the
city,
the
witch's
hat
tower
area
tells
that
story,
that's
the
highest
point
in
the
city.
It
tells
us
the
geography
of
the
city.
It
was
one
of
the
three
surviving
early
water
towers.
E
Those
water
towers,
tell
of
a
commitment
to
shift
to
the
use
of
water
towers
and
an
expansion
of
city
they're
part
of
the
history
of
the
city
to
a
great
city.
Does
it
has
urban
planning
not
simply
to
make
money,
but
it
also
has
urban
planning
to
tell
its
story
now,
ultimately,
we're
talking
about
here.
It's
just
another
undistinguished
mix
this
building
in
a
neighborhood
that
is
filming
with
undistinguished
mixed-use
building.
It's
fine
to
build
those.
E
The
city
needs
those,
but
the
question
is
that
the
city
also
needs
projects
that
don't
it
the
project
such
as
this
one
does
not
lay
a
legitimate
claim
to
the
iconic
geographical
architecture
of
what
that
whispers
to
the
entire
city.
This
project,
the
witch's
hat
tower,
is
a
landmark
for
drivers
all
through
the
area.
It
tell
us
about
the
river
it
tells
about
the
university.
It
tells
that
Minnesota
Minneapolis
is
not
plant.
E
M
AM
M
AM
Picture
I
took
from
Northeast
Minneapolis.
This
is
two
miles
away.
That's
what
you
see
from
two
miles
away!
This
is
from
the
river
and
Franklin
Avenue.
This
is
what
you
see.
This
is
what
the
developers
told
us
we
would
not
see,
but
that
is
actually
that
is
the
sore
thumb
that
they're
proposing
right
there
right
there
and
they're
saying
the
architect
from
bkb,
and
the
developer
told
me
to
my
person
with
witnesses
that
we
would
not
see
much
above
the
treeline
from
the
river.
That's
what
they
told
me
in
June.
AM
It's
just
that
we're
not
against
development,
we're
for
appropriate
development,
and
it's
been
a
whole
bunch
of
arguments
here
and
a
bunch
of
options
here
and
obviously
we're
all
concerned,
and
we
want
to
preserve
the
gem
that
Tower,
Hill,
Park
and
widgets
have
water
tower
is.
This
is
what
the
textile
center
proposes
adjacent
to
the
tower.
This
would
be
the
ground
in
between
the
tower
and
the
17
or
18
storey
tower,
which
would
be
right
here,
which
is
where
the
cherni
building
is.
AM
This
I
took
a
panoramic
view
of
the
blah,
but
anyhow
you
see
a
lot
of
open
area
here,
but
you
see
areas
here
here
here
many
areas
where
there's
other
Lots
that
can
be
developed
into
20
or
30
story
buildings.
Eventually,
we
could
turn
this
whole
Florida
of
University,
where
the
art
and
architecture
building
wants
to
be
I
mean,
were
they
I'm?
Sorry,
the
textile
Center
wants
to
be
right
here
we
turned
this
whole
entire
area
into
a
Canyonlands.
AM
A
AN
AO
AO
One
is
the
MOU
I
think
there's
been
differences
of
opinion
on
whether
this
was
unanimously
endorsed
by
the
by
the
neighborhood
or
not
and
again,
I
would
agree
with
their
one
speaker,
who
said
we
felt
we
didn't
have
a
lot
of
choice
when
this
was
finally
brought
up
and
that
we
needed
needed
to
have
some
input
into
the
process
and
I.
Think
most
of
us
voted
for
that
and
with
that
with
that
in
mind,
I
think.
AO
If
you
went
over
and
and
and
surveyed
the
entire
community
I
think
you
would
not
find
that
the
majority
of
the
community
supported
this
project,
particularly
in
terms
of
its
impact
on
the
tower.
Secondly,
I
think
the
commit
there
this
the
community
is
committed
to
affordable
housing
with
the
4th
and
Malcolm
project,
with
the
senior
high-rise
tower.
That's
going
up
and,
of
course,
our
ongoing
support
for
Glendale
and
the
uniqueness
of
that
low
income.
Housing
I
I
disagree
with
how
the
product
hour
has
been
been
treating
I
think
it's
it's
it's
revered
by
the
community.
AO
We
see
thousands
of
people
going
up
there,
so
it's
a
very
iconic
image
of
them
not
only
of
the
neighborhood
but
of
the
city
and
needs
to
be
maintained
and
I
think
that
this
projects
been
a
wake-up
call
in
terms
of
how
that
project,
how
that
tower
should
be
maintained
and
and
and
not
competed
with
by
the
development
of
of
towers
other
than
the
president
and
then
the
tower
had
to
project
Tower
Hill
Park
thanks
very
much.
Thank.
AP
Mr.
chair
and
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
Gary
Gardner
between
you
and
Seymour
Avenue,
southeast
Minneapolis.
That's
the
house,
that's
probably
the
closest
to
the
tower
we
have
lived
at
that
address
since
we
moved
to
Minneapolis
over
28
years
ago.
This
month,
Minneapolis
needs
high-density
housing
that
is
affordable
on
all
of
its
residents
and
not
opposed
to
development,
including
on
this
site
and
Prospect.
AP
They
act
goes
on
to
say,
seen
it
and
aesthetic
resources
shall
also
be
considered
natural
resources
when
owned
by
any
governmental
unit
or
agency.
My
issue
is
about
aesthetics.
The
witches
had
tower
is
not
only
an
historical
symbol
and
gateway
to
Minneapolis
from
the
east,
but
it
is
a
monument
of
beauty
and,
along
with
Tower
Hill
Park,
free
for
all
to
enjoy
the
construction
of
a
condo
tower
as
almost
as
tall
as
a
witch's
hat
Tower,
less
than
a
block
away
was
seriously
detract
from
that
scenic
resource.
AP
I
would
like
to
conclude
with
a
line
from
the
from
the
poem
Bread
and
Roses
written
in
1911
by
James
Oppenheim.
This
poem
and
awaited
song
has
been
associated
with
the
1912
Lawrence
Massachusetts
cash
housewife,
which
United
dozens
of
immigrant
communities
of
the
IWW
and
was,
to
a
large
extent
led
by
women,
small
art
and
love
and
beauty.
There
drudging
spirits
new.
AQ
The
warehouser
lumberyard
located
in
Saint
Paul
across
the
street
from
us
is
being
torn
down
and
the
development
is
going
in
and
now
the
Vermillion
development
is
going
to
eventually
probably
go
in
three
blocks
up
and
one
block
over
from
my
house.
So
personally,
I'm
feeling
a
little
claustrophobic,
even
without
anything
being
erected.
AF
AQ
Of
people
have
very
good
points
here,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
the
single
issue
before
you
that
you
have
to
decide
on
is
whether
to
grant
a
variance
in
the
zoning
to
allow
for
the
tower
to
go
in
and
at
various
meetings.
It
seemed
to
me
as
they
from
what
I
heard,
that
the
neighborhood
would
have
been
very
comfortable
and
probably
more
supportive
than
we
appeared
to
be
if
the
height
of
the
building
was
no
greater
than
10
storeys
and
after
numerous
discussions
we
are
back
to
14,
which
is
unfortunate.
AQ
The
council
for
Vermillion
is
correct
and
that
there
was
an
MOU
signed,
but
it
was
done
very
quickly
and
I
attended
the
meeting
for
that,
and
there
is
no
question
that
that
they're
committed
to
putting
in
a
high
quality
project,
but
it's
the
height
that
we
mostly
feel
in
the
neighborhood,
is
going
to
restrict
the
view
of
our
really
beloved
water
tower.
That
is
at
issue.
AQ
A
AR
It's
one
of
the
most
well
intended
and
most
well
engaged
projects
that
we've
had
in
Prospect
Park
in
a
number
of
years
and
I
know
that
not
everybody
feels
the
same
about
the
ultimate
outcome,
but
you
know
I
think
that
there
is
a
large
portion
of
the
neighborhood
not
represented
here
in
this
meeting.
That
is
very
supportive
of
this
project.
In
the
memo
of
understanding
agreement
that
we
worked
on
over
the
series
of
six
months,
two-thirds
did
vote
for
it.
AR
A
AS
AS
Our
speakers
had
to
leave.
One
was
our
former
state
representative
and
one
was
our
expert,
the
real
expert
on
on
historic
preservation.
What
he
did
tell
me
as
he
ran
out
for
an
appointment.
He
said
to
ask
for
special
consideration
and
I
said
what
is
that,
and
he
said
they
all
know
what
it
is
and
in
light
of
what
is
going
on
asked
for
special
consideration,
so
I'm
doing
this
right
away.
But
there
are
a
lot
of
other
things
that
are
incorrect.
I
was
on.
AS
For
a
short
time
and
I
couldn't
continue
because
the
time
because
I'm
a
caregiver
those
meetings,
even
the
small
meetings,
were
very
difficult
to
get
a
word
in
edgewise,
which
is
usually
not
a
problem
that
I
have,
and
then
people
hung
around
afterwards
to
speak
and
I.
Couldn't
I
got
someone
else
to
replace
me
on
the
committee
and
unfortunately,
she
could
not
be
here
besides
that
special
consideration
there's
something
else,
I
have
to
mention,
and
that's
what
the
Minnesota
environmental
Rights
Act.
AS
When
you
first
read
it,
it
looks
like
it
only
applies
to
natural
natural
resources,
but
actually
it
does
extend
to
historic
properties.
So,
in
addition
to
the
other
statutes
and
ordinances
and
things
that
are
being
violated
by
this,
you
have
another
one,
and
that's
the
Minnesota
of
an
environmental
right
set
also
mark
is
an
old
friend
of
mine.
We
worked
together
on
a
lot
of
things,
even
though
I
hope
we
can
I
think
we
can
still
be
friends
mark.
We
went
back
a
long
way.
However,
he.
AS
Thought
I'm
sorry
he's
been
out
of
the
neighborhood
for
a
long
time
and
also
that's
a
bit
of
confusion.
You
build
this
tower
and
you
have
million-dollar
condos
that
doesn't
seem
to
me
like
it's
opening
up
things
for
a
lot
of
people.
That
sounds
like
it's
taking
from
the
many
to
give
to
the
few,
because
so
many
will
use
will
lose
the
view
from
the
from
the
platform
and
they'll
also
lose
the
view
from
the
bottom.
So
it's
taking
from
many
to
give
to
the
few.
It
is
not
the
other
way
around.
AS
The
other
problem
that
comes
up
were
told.
The
reason
why
you
know
it's
just
it
doesn't
qualify
is
that
when
the
tower
was
was
first
designated,
they
didn't
list
the
view
from
it.
Well,
of
course,
they
did
elicit
for
you
in
1971.
Nobody
ever
had
any
idea
that
anybody
would
want
to
build
something
to
block
the
tower.
Okay.
AS
I
will
send
another
letter
because
I'm
very
disturbed
that
we
don't
have
enough
time.
I
think
it
was
obvious,
or
someone
should
have
told
you
that
this
was
a
very
contentious
issue.
It
was
well
known
and
we
ended
up
being
much
later
on
the
agenda
and
other
people
did
weren't.
Much
like
we
were
thank.
A
M
D
Prospectors
directly
across
the
street,
from
the
proposed
development
I
agree
with
all
the
big
big
picture.
Opposition
to
this,
especially
the
cost
to
the
city,
if
sight
lines
to
the
tower
are
lost
to
that
great
land
market
to
men.
If
part
of
this
is
how
big
a
deal
is
that
I
think
that's
a
really
big
deal
five
ten
years
down
the
road
I,
don't
think
anyone
is
going
to
remark
about
the
unique
quality
of
14th,
our
14th
story
of
apartment
building.
D
D
D
D
This
street
is
not
wide
enough
to
accommodate
two
lanes
of
traffic
and
a
lane
of
parking
if
the
volume
of
traffic
on
the
street
by
the
developers
own
study
is
expected
to
more
than
triple
from
what
it
is
now,
the
apartment
has
been
terrible
for
years.
It's
it's
only
gonna
get
worse
and
the
value
of
owning
a
home
where
you
cannot
part,
that's
a
tremendous
hit
to
the
homeowner.
So
I
posed
this
on
the
big
picture
scale
and
the
small
picture
scale
time.
B
Suppose
everybody's
looking
at
me,
I
just
want
to
thank
everybody
who
came
down
here.
I
just
think
this
is
a
demonstration
of
people
who
really
care
about
their
their
community
and
demonstrates
I.
Think
to
my
colleagues
what
incredibly
smart,
articulate,
thoughtful
and
community
minded
people
live
in
Ward
2,
so
I'm
absolutely
impressed
about
it.
I
feel
like
in
many
ways
our
hands
are
tied
about
what
we
can
and
can't
do
so,
naturally,
just
I'm
in
a
difficult
situation.
B
I
I,
wouldn't
mind
spending
some
time
hearing,
hearing
from
staff
and
clarifying
some
of
the
issues
raised,
but
I
also
recognize
that
it's
incredibly
late,
I've
certainly
already
asked
a
lot
of
questions.
I
actually
asked
the
Historic
Preservation
Commission
Chair
about
reviewing
this
and
looking
at
it.
They
didn't
feel
they
had
any
jurisdiction
over
it.
We
heard
from
the
city
attorney
about
what
leverage
or
authority
that
they
might
have
over
this
decision.
B
I
think
one
of
the
problems
in
terms
of
that
has
to
do
with
the
fact
that
we
don't
have
any
rules
and
regulations
about
viewsheds,
except
perhaps
from
shoreline
overlay
districts
and
those
kind
of
legislation
and
statutes
where
we
do
talk
about
it
a
little
bit.
Maybe
that's
something.
That's
missing.
B
I
also
feel
like
this
is
coming
with
a
staff
recommendation.
This
is
feeling
coming
with
the
Neighborhood
Association
recommendation,
and
this
is
coming
with
the
Planning
Commission
I
believe
it
was
unanimous
recommendation
of
approvals
and
I
do
recognize
that
the
project
has
changed
quite
a
bit
and
that
the
the
development
team
did
work
extensively
with
the
neighborhood
I
wish.
They'd
landed
in
in
in
a
safer
place,
but
at
least
with
the
formal
neighborhood
organization
I
see
heads
nodding
and
shaking
about
that.
B
My
theory
at
this
point
is
to
move
it
forward
and
I
have
some
additional
conditions
and
an
additional
motion
I
think
that
hopefully
Robin
might
bring
those
in
and
he's
going
to
print
them
out.
So
people
can
see
them,
but
maybe
I
can
just
jump
shared,
adding
the
conditions
with
that,
and
that
doesn't
mean
we
can't
add
more
items
between
now
and
the
council
meeting
as
well
and
I'll
actually
note
that
I
wouldn't
mind
if
the
building
was
was
even
shorter,
but
that
isn't
one
of
the
conditions
at
this
point.
B
So
this
is
what
I've
come
up
with
listening
to
everything,
adding
two
conditions
to
the
conditional
use
permit
for
the
Planned
Unit
development.
One.
The
developer
shall
work
with
the
property
owners
of
directly
adjacent
properties
to
implement
screening
and
other
measures
to
reduce
the
visual
impact
of
the
proposed
14-story
mixed-use
building,
and
this
particularly
relates
to
the
folks
on
Clarence
I,
understand,
there's
been
some
discussions
already
involved
in.
There
might
be
some
other
ways
to
mitigate
that.
I'll
just
note.
B
The
findings
in
the
report
do
talk
a
lot
about
a
little
bit
more,
at
least
then
financial
considerations
and
and
I
look
carefully
that
and
thought
about.
It.
I
think
there's
the
property
itself,
but
then
there's
also
all
the
requirements
to
put
in
the
parking.
So
it's
some
of
the
I
think
unique
situation
is
a
result
of
the
city's
rules
having
to
do
with
where
the
parking
is
to
go
behind
the
building
and
has
to
be
enclosed
in
those
kinds
of
things.
So
the
findings
are
there.
B
The
second
condition
related
to
the
PUD
I
want
the
developer
to
strive
to
achieve
led
standards
or
similar
contemporary
sustainable
guidelines
for
the
construction
process.
The
building
materials
and
the
operation
then
I
want
to
add
a
condition
to
the
site
plan.
Approval-
and
this
is
the
developer-
shall
confer
with
a
historical
consultant
to
identify
and
mitigate
to
the
extent
practical,
any
potential
impact
on
nearby
historical
properties,
including
the
witches,
had
water
tower.
At
least
we
can
start
to
get
an
opinion
about
that
and
develop
it.
B
I,
actually
think
and
I
think
is
one
of
the
last
speakers
talked
about
the
fear
and
I
think
this
is
the
fear
that
a
lot
of
us
have
are.
We
gonna
end
up
surrounding
the
whole
park,
with
high-rises
or
at
least
on
University,
and
what
an
awareness
that
I'm
realizing
is.
We
don't
really
have
much
regulation
to
protect.
That
I
mean
you
can't,
even
if
all
of
us
have
grown
up
in
the
city
and
if
you're
as
old
as
I.
B
B
Okay,
I'll
say
direct
HPG
staff.
They
have
the
Historic
Preservation
Commission
review
the
plan,
six
six
one
nine
and
how
it
and
future
development
in
the
area
may
impact.
If
you
should
from
into
the
Prospect
Park,
which
is
hat
tower
and
if
shut
such
view,
sheds
are
worthy
of
historic
protection
and,
if
so,
how
that
might
be
accomplished,
maybe
I
could
use
some
more
word.
Smithing
I
think
it's
pretty
clear.
B
I
basically
want
the
HPC
to
have
the
opportunity
to
at
least
think
about
the
view
shed
from
this
site
and
look
at
other
some
regulatory
tools
that
we
could
do
or
anything
we
could
modify
in
our
ordinance,
maybe
itself
so
if
they
think
those
kinds
of
things
can
be
projected
and
how
they
should
be.
Obviously
this
is
a
designated
landmark,
and
so
that
might
entitle
it
to
some
kind
of
protections
in
terms
of
who
can
see
it
and
what
you
can
see
from
it.
B
It's
also
a
unique
store
landmark
because
people
go
up
to
it
to
look
out
and
I
think
their
spheres
will
block
some
of
the
best
views.
I
do
think
this
particular
development.
We
do
know
that
there's
a
spot
from
University
where
it's
going
to
be
blocked,
or
you
can't
see
the
tower
and
certainly
when
you
look
I
guess
out
towards
st.
Paul
you're
gonna
see
this
new
building
if
it
gets
built.
So
that's
what
I've
come
up
with
I
know:
it's
not
gonna.
B
Maybe
won't
please
anybody,
but
it's
an
effort
at
least
I
think
it's
an
opportunity
here
when
this
comes
to
the
committee
for
us
to
to
some
actions
that
might
help
mitigate
and
push
things
in
certain
directions
and
I.
Welcome
my
colleagues
to
weigh
in
and
talk
about
those
ideas.
Thanks
for
letting
me
speak,
Thank.
Y
You
mr.
chair
I
just
want
to
note
that
we
have
another
committee
meeting
starting
at
1:30,
which
is
our
public
safety
emergency
management
committee.
So
folks
will
be
beginning
to
come
in
expecting
that
meeting
to
begin
with
a
full
agenda
there
as
well,
especially
dealing
with
some
of
the
interactions
that
police
have
had
recently
in
the
parks.
Y
That's
what
I
want
to
just
say
really
briefly,
that
I
support
the
motions
brought
by
councilmember
Gordon
I,
particularly
appreciate
whenever
we're
working
together
with
HPC
to
be
more
proactive
and
how
we're
approaching
historic
development
and
be
more
planful
in
sort
of
district
plans
or
or
this
approach,
rather
than
the
kind
of
like
like
this
committee.
They
end
up
doing
a
lot
of
project
by
project
review
and
I
always
appreciate
it
when
we
are
able
to
work
together
to
be
more
planful
and
kind
of
take
more
of
a
district
approach.
Y
So
I
think
that's
a
great
idea,
and
these
conditions
do
seem
to
respond
to
some
of
the
highlights
that
we've
heard
I
know,
there's
a
lot
of
trade-offs
about
a
shorter
bulkier
building
versus
a
taller
building,
and
we
have
that
dynamic.
All
across
the
city,
so
I
am
you
know,
I'll
respect
that
the
motion
that's
before
us
in
in
that
case.
Z
Cumbria,
listen,
I'm,
also
going
to
support
the
motion,
but
I
did
want
to
just
highlight
the
fact
that
you
know
one
of
the
tricky
dynamics
and
committees
in
situations
like
this
is
that
you
get
the
folks
who
show
up
in
person,
but
then
to
the
point
of
the
woman
who
came
up
earlier.
There
is
a
number
of
folks
in
the
community
who
can't
be
here
and
they
have
weighed
their
opinion
and
it
gets
hard
to
measure
here
and
it
sounds
like
you
know
it
gets
confusing.
Z
But
it
sounds
like
from
some
of
the
things
we
saw.
The
engagement
was
a
little
bit
more
full
and
folks
in
the
community
who
did
did
seem
to
agree
with
this,
and
so
that's
what
makes
it
hard
when
you
get
so
many
people
showing
up
in
person
versus
who's,
not
in
the
room
and
and
all
of
that
so
I
just
wanted
to
name
that
as
a
dynamic
when
it
comes
to
listen
in
the
community
voice.
But.
A
Yeah
support
motion,
I
think
you
don't
councilmember
and
thanks
for
pointing
that
out
for
clarity,
if
that's
alright,
with
my
colleagues
I'd
like
to
vote
on
the
motion
first
and
then
we'll
add,
via
the
conditions
from
councilmember
Gordon
to
voting
on
the
appeals
that
would
work
all
right.
I'm
gonna
make
a
vote
on
councilmember
Gordon's
requests
that
the
CPE
de
historic
preservation
staff.
You
know
work.
If
you
want
to
vote
on
that,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye.
All
those
opposed
that
motion
carries
next
year.
I
heard
you
correctly
councilmember
Gordon.
A
Q
For
interrupting
I
was
gonna,
I
was
going
to
suggest
exactly
what
you
just
mentioned,
that
the
staff
direction
is
separate
from
the
substantive
action
on
the
project
itself,
which
is
before
you.
The
staff
Direction
has
more
of
a
global
separate.
Look
at
the
issues,
the
the
project
before
you.
The
motion
does
appear
to
be
to
deny
the
appeal
approve
the
applications,
while
adopting
staff
findings
with
the
additional
conditions
that
have
been
proposed.
So.
Q
A
B
Just
to
interrupt
I'm
not
going
to
be
a
vote
on
the
motions
unless
the
conditions
are
attached.
So
I
would
like
to
move
to
deny
both
appeals
and
add
these
three
conditions
and
vote
on
it
in
one
fell
swoop,
because
if,
if
we
don't
deny
the
appeal
and
I,
don't
even
get
my
three
conditions,
you
know
that.
A
Works
I'm
not
happy
that
works
for
the
chair.
Okay,
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye
aye,
all
those
opposed
the
eyes
have
it
and
the
motion
carries
and
with
that
I
will
are
fine.
We
have
one
final
item
which
is
number
ten.
Is
the
application
submitted
by
already
Perez
to
rezone?
The
property
is
located
at
the
art
and
architecture,
building
from
a
c1
neighborhood
commercial
district
to
a
c3
ake
community
activity
district.
A
The
day
of
this
application
was
all
contingent
on
the
actions
that
we
took.
I
would
actually
just
move
that
forward.
If
that
works
for
the
committee,
all
right,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
all
those
opposed
with
that
I
approve
the
application
and
I
do
not
see
any
further
business
in
front
of
us.
So
we
return.