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From YouTube: December 4, 2018 Ways & Means Committee
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Minneapolis Ways & Means Committee Meeting
A
Good
afternoon
I
call
this
regularly
scheduled
meeting
of
the
Ways
and
Means
Committee
to
order
I'm
the
chair
of
the
committee.
My
name
is
Abdul
or
Sami
and
we
are
joined
by
council
member
Johnson,
Fletcher
Palmisano
and
vice
president
Jenkins,
and
we
have
a
quorum
of
the
committee
and
I
able
to
take
up
the
consideration
of
city
business
today.
First,
let's
dispense
with
our
consent
agenda.
For
today
on
our
consent
agenda,
we
have
32
items
for
consideration
28
on
the
on
your
ways.
A
That
means
agenda,
2
are
receiving
file
and
there
are
to
work
on
items.
So
let
me
start
with
consent.
Agenda
number:
it's
a
number
2
on
our
agenda.
Its
contracts
for
legal
services.
Panel
number
3
is
a
legal
settlement.
Number
4
is
also
a
legal
settlement.
Number
5
is
a
contract
amendment
for
technology
management,
cooperation
for
additional
information
technology
and
audio-visual
consulting
services
for
the
new
public
service
building
number
6
is
a
grant
from
the
downtown
Improvement
District
and
amending
contracts
with
Hennepin
County
Department
of
Community
Corrections
for
probation
officer
services.
A
Number
7
is
a
bid
for
the
second
Precinct
air
handler
unit
replacement
project
number
8
is
amending
amendment
to
a
mini
flex.
Plan
document
number
9
is
a
contract
amendment
with
Delta
Dental
of
Minnesota
for
administrative
services
for
the
city
of
Minneapolis
is
dental
benefit.
Number
10
is
a
contract
amendment
with
Northern
Lights
Minnesota
for
consulting
services
related
to
the
creative
city
challenge
number
11
is
a
grant
from
the
Minnesota
Department
of
Health
for
in
innovative
state
and
local
public
health
strategies.
A
When
the
twelve
is
a
proposed
sale
of
14
Royall
stand
Avenue
North
to
the
Metropolitan
Council
number
13
is
a
2018
emergency
management
performance.
Grant
number
14
is
a
2018
urban
area
security
initiative
grant
from
the
Department
of
Homeland
Security
number
15
is
an
agreement
with
the
state
of
Minnesota
office
of
state
court
administration
for
Court
data
services.
Number
16
is
a
contract
with
downtown
Improvement
District
policing
during
holidays
rule
number
17
is
a
contract
with
Horseman
ink
for
mounted
patrol
boarding
services.
A
Number
18
is
a
donation
of
travel
and
lodging
expenses
for
the
2018
national
immigrant
integration
conference.
Number
19
is
an
8th,
Street,
South
Hennepin
Avenue
to
Chicago
Avenue
Street
reconstruction
project
project,
approval
assessment
and
area
way.
Abandonment
number
20
is
a
contract
amendment
with
Metropolitan
Council
environmental
services
for
the
phase
9
interceptor
improvement
project
number
21
is
a
contract
amendment
with
Schaefer
contracting
Company
Inc
for
54th
Street
West
reconstruction
project
number
22
is
a
contract
amendment
with
park.
Construction
company
for
18th,
Avenue,
Northeast
reconstruction
project
number
23
is
a
contract.
A
Remember
with
engineering
and
construction
Innovations
Inc
for
the
14th
Avenue
South
sanitary
sewer
replacement
project
number
24
is
a
contract
amendment
with
Bolton
and
mank
Inc
for
additional
professional
services
for
the
4th
Street
reconstruction
project.
Number
25
is
a
contract
with
the
city
of
Bloomington
for
reimbursement
of
water
work
for
the
city
of
Minneapolis
number
26
is
an
application
for
the
2018
Minnesota
safe
routes
to
school
state
infrastructure
program.
Number
27
is
a
bid
for
rental
of
motor
grade
for
snow
removal.
Number
28
is
a
rental
vehicle
insurance
policy.
A
Number
29
is
a
site
agreement
with
americas
to
host
minnesota
opioid
response
corpse.
Member
and
number
30
is
a
staff.
It's
a
receiving
file
so
long.
Let
me
okay,
so
number
30
is
a
receive
and
file
staff
purchasing
and
joint
powers.
Letter
reports
for
September
2018
number
31
is
again
receive
a
file
staff
purchasing
and
joint
powers,
letter
report
for
2018,
and
then
we
have
to
walk
on
items
and
I'll
read
them
briefly.
I
mean
all
my
colleagues
should
have
the
walk
on
items
as
well.
The
first
one
is
a
contract.
A
Women
authorizing
an
amendment
to
contract,
with
variety
for
the
addition
of
secret
software
application
to
replace
three
one
ones.
Current
reporting
tool,
including
maintenance,
support
and
hosting
of
the
software
application
and
data,
and
the
second
walk
on
item
is
a
settlement
authorizing
a
settlement
of
workers,
compensation
matter
for
Cory
Herman
by
payment
in
the
amount
of
150,000
to
mr.
Herman
and
his
attorneys
and
authorizing
the
city
attorney's
office,
to
execute
any
documents
necessary
to
for
this
settlement.
A
B
You
mr.
chair-
and
it's
not
specific
in
any
of
these
items,
I
just
wanted
to
note
for
folks
are
know,
he's
standing
most
of
the
meeting,
because
I
have
a
back
problems
I'm
dealing
with
right
now.
So
it's
it's
unusual
to
stand
for
most
of
Mia.
So
I
just
wanted
to
note
in
case
anybody's
wondering
what
the
heck's
going
I,
don't
that
guy
yeah
all.
A
Right,
thank
you
very
much.
Councilman,
Johnson
and
I
hope
you
get
better
soon.
Any
other
discussions
on
this
in
these
items.
Okay,
so
I
move
these
items
were
approval,
see
no
discussion,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye,
those
against
and
those
items
have
been
approved.
Thank
you
very
much.
Next
we
have
our
public
hearing,
which
is
an
item
number
one
which
is
competitive,
bidding
threshold,
ordinance
and
I
believe
I
have
city
staff.
A
Chapter
number,
one
is
chapter:
17
finance
department,
number
2
is
chapter,
18,
purchasing
and
number
3
is
chapter
18
a
target
market
program
and
and
the
second
of
these
items
are
passage
of
ordinance
amending
title
16,
chapter
423
of
the
Minneapolis
code
of
ordinance
relating
to
planning
and
development,
small
and
underutilized
business
enterprise
program.
Increasing
the
threshold
amount
from
a
hundred
thousand
two
hundred
seventy
five
thousand
consistent
with
a
competitive
bidding
threshold
in
state
law.
A
Number
three
is
passage
of
resolution:
approving
a
revision
of
the
review
requirements
of
the
permanent
review
committee
prior
to
consideration
by
the
City
Council
number
four
is
passage
of
resolution,
adopting
the
use
of
a
forum
contract
for
professional
technical
and
service
contracts
that
are
anticipated
to
be
less
than
or
equal
to
hundred.
Seventy-Five
thousand
and
number
five
is
authorizing
city
procurement
procedures
to
be
updated
to
reflect
the
change
in
law
and
I
believe
I
have
our
CFO
miss
Lamar
Crawford
confidence.
Also
here
so
go
ahead.
Thank.
C
You
mr.
chair
members
of
the
committee
I'm
mark
Roth,
the
chief
financial
officer,
as
you
highlighted,
this
is
mainly
a
conformity
with
state
law
issue
that
relates
to
the
ordinances
that
we
have
that,
but,
as
with
many
things
in
Minneapolis,
our
purchasing
policies
are
more
sophisticated
than
state
law
and
so
to
help
us
unravel
and
reveal
some
of
the
sophistication
necessary
for
this
discussion.
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
our
procurement
director,
Pam
Fernandez
welcome.
D
Good
afternoon
sheriff
Mars
ami
and
councilmembers
and
Pam
Fernandez,
thanks
mark
for
that
introduction,
I'm
going
to
quickly
go
through
a
few
slides
here
that
related
ten
of
explains
quickly.
What
those
changes
are
our
office
is
responsible
for
all
the
purchases
of
goods
and
services,
including
construction
and
our
municipal
contracting
law,
which
is
our
state
statute
that
tells
us
how
we
are
buying.
What
rules
are
to
be
followed
that
municipal
contracting
law
changed
recently
or
not
in
August,
and
they
erased
our
thresholds
from
hundred
to
one
hundred
and
seventy
five
thousand.
D
As
you
can
see,
I
have
marked
up
the
slide
to
show
you
like
where
the
changes
are.
We
have
two
main
categories
of
purchases:
commodities,
construction
which
follows
the
bidding
process,
and
then
the
professional
services
which
follows
our
request
for
proposal
process
and
any
purchases
under
100
under
2500
are
directly
placed
by
the
department's
for
contracts.
Over
100,000
always
have
an
open
competitive
process
and
in
2018,
as
of
October
31st,
we
have
about
two
hundred
and
seven
million
in
purchases.
D
Contracts
between
hundred
and
hundred
and
seventy
five
thousand,
this
actually
shows
the
impact
of
this
change.
It's
not
a
major
change,
but
what
is
the
big
impact
is
that
this
is
going
to
these.
These
purchases
are
now
going
to
be
called
the
small
purchases,
and
these
can
now
go
to
the
target
market
program
businesses.
D
Equal
benefit
provisions
will
be
updated.
275,000
and
target
market
program
ordinance
will
also
be
raised
to
175
su
PP.
Goals
determination
will
now
start
at
175
thousand.
There
were
two
resolutions
that
affected
our
contracting
process
as
well.
The
standard
form
contract,
as
sitting
at
hundred
thousand
it'll,
now
be
raised
to
175
thousand,
and
then
the
permanent
review
committee
will
receive
the
review
request
for
proposals
that
are
over
175
thousand
going
forward.
So
with
that,
are
there
any
question
any.
A
A
E
You
very
much
for
allowing
me
to
speak
and
I
cook
on
and
spoken
at
the
public
hearing,
I
supposed
to
I
haven't
had
an
opportunity
to
talk
to
all
of
you,
but
I
do
have
concerns
about
this
issue.
In
fact,
we
just
recent
Mandodari
arguments
for
the
smaller
number
utilized
business
program
and
we
kept
it
at
$100,000
I'm
concerned
about
raising
it
to
175,
and
we
may
miss
setting
some
goals
where
we
very
easily
could
set
good
goals.
I
appreciate
the
target
market
program.
E
I
think
that
it's
done
a
wonderful
job,
but
what
it's
done
is
made
sure
that
contracts
went
to
small
businesses
and
if
you
look
at
the
last
two
years
of
records,
I'm
94
percent
of
those
small
businesses
in
2017
actually
was
ninety
four
point:
eight
five
percent
went
to
non
minority
small
businesses.
We
made
a
little
progress
in
2018.
E
Ninety
point:
six:
nine
percent
went
to
small
my
non-minority
businesses,
so
if
we
really
want
to
try
to
reach
our
minority
businesses
I
think
we
need
to
keep
it
down
at
a
hundred
thousand
and
keep
some
of
those,
and
if
it
turns
out
it's
unrealistic
to
set
the
goals.
Our
civil
rights
department
has
an
opportunity
to
do
that.
C
F
Chair
and
committee
members
good
afternoon,
my
name
is
Delma
Korbel
I'm,
the
director
in
the
Minneapolis
Department
of
Civil
Rights.
Thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
answer
the
question.
Casa
member
Gordon
for
those
who
might
not
be
familiar
with
the
small
another
utilized
business
program
is
actually
a
subcontracting
program
in
the
city
of
Minneapolis
that
ensures
that
businesses
owned
by
women
and
businesses
owned
by
minorities
are
included
in
the
city's
purchasing
and
typically
that
subcontracting
happens
currently
for
every
construction,
technical
services
or
a
city
assistant
contract
that
subcontracting
threshold
kicks
in
at
$100,000.
F
What
we
find
with
that
is
a
contract
for
$100,000
is
typically
single
scoped.
There's
not
a
whole
lot
of
opportunity
for
subconscious.
Think
so
as
I
look
at
this
move
from
a
hundred
thousand
to
one
hundred
and
seventy
five
thousand
dollars.
I
think
this
may
actually
help
the
small
another
utilized
business
program
and
I'll
tell
you
why
that
is.
If
there
is
no
opportunity
for
subcontracting
at
one
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
hundred,
and
seventy-five
thousand
does
give
a
little
bit
more
room
with
which
to
include
subcontracting.
F
F
$175,000,
there's
more
of
an
opportunity,
I
believe
to
to
subcontract
a
portion
of
that
a
business
might
be
likely
to
subcontract,
for
example,
ten
percent
of
a
175
thousand
dollar
contract
at
seventeen
five
than
they
are
for
a
hundred
thousand
contract
at
ten
thousand.
It's
just
I'm
and
I'm
saying
it
may,
or
it
could
not
necessarily
being
a
hundred
percent
certain,
but
I,
don't
think
it
will
harm
the
smaller
and
underutilized
business
program
to
move
this
threshold
to
$175,000.
You
know
there
are.
F
There
are
a
lot
of
other
ways
that
the
city
could
increase
is
inclusion
of
women
and
minority
businesses.
The
small
and
underutilized
business
program
is
only
one
tool
that
the
city
has
available
to
it.
There
are
lots
of
other
things
that
need
to
be
done
and
councilmember
Gordon.
You
will
remember
this
that
back
in
the
spring,
the
city
actually
approved
the
disparity
study,
recommendations
that
were
part
of
that.
F
Most
recent
disparity
study
I
think
if
the
city
were
to
implement
those
disparity
study,
recommendations
that
can
certainly
do
as
much,
if
not
more
than
the
goals
that
are
set
on
a
small
and
underutilized
business
program.
Contract
I
also
thank
councilman,
Gordon
and
committee
members
that
every
person
in
the
city
includes
this
council
needs
to
do
everything
in
its
power
to
leverage
every
opportunity
we
can
to
include
women
and
minority
contractors
on
city
contracts.
There
are
some
ways
that
we
can
do
that.
F
The
city
has
a
race
and
equity
apartment
or
division
inside
the
coordinators
office.
It
has
some
some
ways
that
that
could
happen
primarily
one
of
the
ways
I
think
we
can
do
that
is
to
move
out
of
our
comfort
zone
and
stop
using
the
same
contractors
that
we
use
all
the
time.
There
are
a
greater
universe
of
certified
women
on
minority
firms
out
there.
They
can
do
business
for
the
city
of
Minneapolis
and
I
think
we
need
to
move
to
looking
more
broadly
at
those
at
those
firms.
F
Sometimes
we
hear
that
there
are
not
enough
certified
contractors
with
which
to
contract.
Then
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
are
doing
the
outreach
and
identifying
those
firms
that
are
ready,
willing
and
able
and
can
be
certified
to
participate
on
city
contracts.
There
is
a
video
on
the
city's
television
station.
It
talks
about
the
millions
of
dollars
of
City,
spanned
and
I.
F
Think
departments
need
to
be
a
lot
more
intentional
about
how
we
are
engaging
and
including
women
on
minority
firms
on
this
$175,000
threshold
on
SUV
P
is
not
going
to
make
that
much
of
a
difference
unless
we
are
intentional
about
how
including
these
firms
on
City
on
our
city
contracting
so
I
know.
That
was
more
than
probably
the
answer
to
that
question.
F
G
F
Mr.
chair
and
in
Cosmos
president,
there
are
some
opportunities
in
in
the
city
that
are
in
place.
There's
a
program
since
a
program
out
of
Community
Planning
and
Economic
Development
Department
called
business
technical
assistance
where
the
city
actually
contracts
a
little
over
a
dozen
providers
where,
if
the
city,
the
city
actually
contracts
with
this,
they
actually
fund
these
contracts
that
will
build
capacity
in
small
women.
Don't
in
minority-owned
firms
we
also
partner
with
some
other
organizations
in
the
city
like
Mita,
the
Metropolitan
Economic
Development
Association.
F
That
also
is
building
capacity
and
small
minority-owned
firms
in
the
city.
The
the
the
thing
that
I
think
also
the
city
can
help
on
is
that
the
civil
rights
Department
actually
certifies
women
are
minority-owned
firms
to
be
able
to
participate
in
our
purchasing
and
contracting
programs
and
I
know
that
departments
are
spending
money
with
firms.
F
What
we'd
like
to
see
is
those
departments
encourage
those
firms
to
become
certified
to
be
able
to
participate
on
city
on
city
contracting,
so
there
are
ways
to
certainly
increase
capacity
in
those
businesses,
but
also
increase
the
numbers
of
those
firms
that
can
do
business
with
us.
Thank
you.
Thank.
E
H
E
Think
a
lot
of
people
will
see
that
as
a
significant
amount
of
money,
I
think
what
we're
doing
is
we're
responding
to
a
Republican
legislature
to
decide
that
they
wanted
to
raise
the
minimum
there
and
it's
just
easier
to
follow
what
the
state's
doing,
because
then
it's
less
paperwork
and
it's
less
of
a
bother
and
it's
less
trouble
and
I
agree.
Most
of
the
contracts
with
sub
contracts
are
probably
going
to
be
higher.
Of
course,
if
it's
a
three
million
dollar
contract,
you've
got
a
lot
of
opportunities
to
have
some
contracts.
E
So
it's
maybe
we
really
won't
necessarily
be
catching
a
lot
of
people,
but
believe
me
that
10%,
who
would
have
gone
that
year
without
that
$10,000,
because
without
that
contract
we'll
get
it
and
all
of
a
sudden,
they'll
think
well,
maybe
competing
in
this
area
and
trying
to
do
business
with
the
city
and
what's
public
is
good.
I'm
gonna
participate
in
it
I.
E
But
the
target
market
program
remember:
is
race
neutral,
so
it's
not
even
going
to
create
preferences
in
any
way
the
same
as
we
can,
with
our
small
and
under
utilized
business
program
that
we
did
a
whole
disparity
study
around
to
say
it's
justified,
it's
legal.
We
need
to
do
this
for
the
region
and
so
I.
Don't
know
why
we're
backtracking
now
and
I
don't
need
to
get
back
and
forth
with
staff.
I
just
wanted
the
opportunity
to
express
my
opinion
here
with
policy
makers,
Thank.
I
Through
the
chair
just
want
to
say
to
councilman
board
and
I
do
think
it's
necessary
for
city
staff
to
be
able
to
clarify,
because
the
example
you
gave
actually
is
not
the
SUV
P
program
and
I
think
it's
necessary
to
be
able
to
have
clarification.
I,
don't
think
it
has
to
be
a
debate,
but
like
the
example
that
you
yeah
the
example
that
you
gave
actually
isn't
applicable.
So
can
you
clarify
that
mr.
F
Chair
through
the
chair
to
councilmember
Cunningham
and
councilmember
Gordon
I,
let
me
just
give
you
an
example:
I
think
that
will
make
the
point
a
little
bit
clearer
on
the
way
that
means
agenda
this
morning.
There
is
a
request
from
the
City
Attorney's
Office
to
recreate
this
menu
or
create
this
opportunity
to
go
out
and
contract
with
legal
services
firms
to
be
able
to
provide
the
services
that
they
can
on
behalf
of
the
City
Attorney's
Office
to
the
city
of
Minneapolis.
F
I
believe
the
better
approach
is
to
make
sure
that
there
are
women-owned
or
minority
owned
firms
on
that
list
who
can
get
the
hundred
thousand
dollar
contract
or
the
hundred
and
seventy-five
thousand
dollar
contract
I.
Think
in
terms
of
growing
the
business
in
terms
of
building
capacity,
in
that
small
business
and
in
terms
of
providing
a
greater
share
of
the
city
span
to
women
and
minority
firms,
I
think
that's
what
we
that's.
What
we
want
to
do.
F
D
I
To
the
magazine
wasn't
finished,
talking
councilman
laconic.
It
was
just
distracting
when
you
did
that
so
I,
but
I
do
think
that
it's
necessary
for
us
to
think
about.
The
larger
landscape
going
from
100,000
to
175,000,
opens
up
more
opportunities
and
I
think
that
this
is
I,
don't
really
see
any
data
or
support
that
says
that
growing
it
is
going
to
be
harmful,
but
there
is
logic
and
evidence
behind
that
it
could
create
more
opportunities.
I
So
I
think
this
is
a
part
of
a
larger
conversation
about
supplier
diversity,
because
that
is
a
system
that
we
currently
don't
have
all
the
connections
in
place
to
be
able
to
address
the
massive
disparities
that
we
see
and
I
mean.
We
all
talk
about
how
shameful
they
are,
and
we
know
that
it
needs
to
get
there.
So
I
am
supporting
this
change
but
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
were
clarified.
It
was
clear,
though,
about
like
the
various
differences.
Thank
you
Thank.
E
Well,
I
could
come
up
with
another
illustrative
example:
I,
don't
think
that
I
was
trying
to
say
anything
that
was
outside
the
su
PP
program.
I
think
the
firm
I
was
talking
about
could
have
been
building
the
street
or
demoing
the
building.
They
could
have
been
getting
some
money
from
see
ped,
so
I
wasn't
trying
to
throw
you
off
with
that
at
all.
E
I
actually
think
there
might
even
be
a
way
of
having
something
that
comes
in
between,
whereas
if
you
go
through
the
LGBT
program
and
they,
we
also
allow
the
target
market
to
go
up
to
175
I
have
no
objection
to
do
that.
If
something
doesn't
justify
setting
goals
for
it
through
the
SU
PB,
both
programs
could
apply
so
I
wasn't
trying
to
employ
that
Thank.
A
A
J
One
is
by
old
practices
where
we
don't
think
intentionally
about
how
to
incorporate
historically
marginalized
business
owners
into
a
city
business,
but
the
other
is
to
make
it
overly
burdensome
in
a
way
that
you
have
to
be
so
specialized
in
working
with
the
city.
In
order
to
manage
the
administrative
cost
of
that
that
small
firms
just
can't
do
it
and
so
streamlining
things.
If
it's
not
going
to
have
a
negative
impact
on
the
programs
that
we're
trying
to
do
to
encourage
more
equity
is
the
right
thing
to
do
so.
G
D
D
A
Seeing
no
further
discussion,
I
move
approval
of
this
item,
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye
aye.
Those
opposed
that
item
has
been
approved.
Thank
you
very
much
to
all
the
city
staff
for
their
hard
work
on
this
really
appreciate
it,
and
now
we're
going
to
move
to
our
discussion
agenda.
We
have
three
items
for
consideration
today.
Let's
start
with
item
32
item
32,
this
North
Loop,
Haven,
Street
reconstruction
project
project,
approval
assessment,
an
area
where
abandonment
and
I
have
councilmember
Fletcher
the
top
of
the
same
forensic.
J
Because
of
an
issue
raised
by
a
constituent
is
impacted
by
this,
for
simplicity's
sake,
so
that
we
don't
provide
contradictory
recommendations
coming
out
of
the
two
committees.
I'm
gonna
ask
that
we
move
this
forward
without
recommendation
as
well
to
the
full
council.
I
will
be
moving
approval
or
or
you
will.
We've
got
to
work
out
the
details
of
that,
but
we'll
move
approval
on
this
when
it
gets
to
full
council
on
Friday,
okay,
Thank.
A
You
councilman
fletcher
has
made
a
motion
to
approve
item
number
32
without
recommendation.
Any
discussions
on
deciding
see
none
all
those
in
approval
say
aye.
Those
opposed
that
item
has
been
approved.
Thank
you
very
much,
and
now
we
move
to
our
second
discussion
item,
which
is
item
number
33,
which
is
2019
financial
policy
updates.
Chair.
A
A
L
You
mr.
chair
members
of
the
committee,
so
each
year
we
update
our
the
city's
financial
policies
through
the
budget
process
and
so
highlighting
for
you
about
10
different
recommendations
that
staff
has
this
year
for
changes
to
our
financial
policies,
so
the
first
change
is
related
to
just
a
definition
around
proprietary
funds
and
discretionary
budget.
This
will
help
to
clarify
the
definition
of
our
current
service
level,
particularly
for
our
internal
service
and
enterprise
funds.
L
L
You
get
a
fender
bender.
You
replace
your
fender
now
the
way
that
vehicles
are
built,
they
collapse
on
impact,
and
so
we
have
a
lot
more
total
vehicles
in
the
city.
A
lot
is
relative,
we're
seeing
about
three
or
four
per
year,
but
those
vehicles
do
come
in
at
extents
and
so
in
order
to
help
sort
of
control
for
the
fluctuation
and
costs
for
departments
were
just
recommending,
creating
a
self
insurance
pool
in
in
the
self
insurance
fund.
L
Next,
we're
just
recommending
language
provide
for
an
information
technology
or
IT
governance
process.
Since
so,
for
a
number
of
years
we
have
the
used
a
capital
asset
request
system
that
was
known
as
cars
in
order
to
help
prioritize
IT
investments
that
that
process
is
no
longer
used
by
the
city,
and
so
the
intent
behind
this
IT
governance
is
to
help
not
only
the
IT
department
prioritize
its
work,
but
also
to
help
Council
and
mayor
as
they're
prioritizing
funding
and
investments
in
NIT.
L
The
next
item
is
to
grant
the
finance
officer
the
authority
to
set
policy
around
alternative
financing
so
for
the
Muslim
members
of
our
community
they're
not
able
to
pay
interest,
and
so
this
gives
the
finance
officer
the
authority
to
structure
the
payments,
so
that
interest
is
is
part
of
is
no
longer
considered.
The
cost
will
still
be
recovered.
It's
just
it's
an
alternate
structure
through
the
financing.
L
The
next
recommendation
is
to
grant
the
finance
officer
authority
to
set
policies
around
food
purchases
and
the
use
of
gift
cards
in
various
programs
with
the
city.
There's
a
public
purpose
doctrine
that
any
dollar
that
the
city
spends
needs
to
go
for
a
direct
public
purpose
broadly,
and
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
all
of
the
expenditures
that
are
being
made
from
the
city
are
indeed
following.
This.
L
In
our
financial
policies,
we
have
various
fund
balance
requirements
for
different
funds,
the
our
central
stores
and
engineering
materials
and
testing
funds,
in
particular,
really
don't
need
to
hold
a
large
cash
balance,
and
so
this
change
helps
to
clarify
that,
when
we're
looking
at
the
at
setting
that
cash
balance
we're
comparing
against
the
true
operating
expenses
of
the
fund,
as
opposed
to
looking
at
any
capital
capital
expenses
within
the
fund.
A
few
years
ago,
we
updated
our
financial
policies
to
require
a
CPAP
development
program
and
project
status.
L
Reports
staff
is
recommending
that,
rather
than
requiring
this
report
each
year,
we
leave
it
up
to
council
discretion
as
to
whether
or
not
staff
were
to
engage
in
this
report,
and
it
would
be
up
to
either
the
Ways
and
Means
Committee
or
economic
development
and
regulatory
services
to
request
a
report,
and
that
is
our
recommended
changes.
I
would
suggest
that
the
best
place
to
take
these
up
is
to
amend
these
to
our
financial
into
our
budget.
Tomorrow
night,
okay,.
A
I,
thank
you
very
much
to
our
budget
director
any
questions
or
discussion
on
this
item.
Seeing
none
I
move
to
receive
and
file
this
item,
all
those
in
approval
say
aye
aye,
those
opposed
say.
No.
That
item
has
been
approved.
Thank
you
very
much
and
before
we
move
to
the
next
item,
I
would
like
to
recognize
that
we
have
a
sacred
drum
here
and
we
have
members
of
the
community
as
well.
So
thank
you
and
welcome
and
the
next
item
on
discussion.
A
C
Mr.
chair
members
of
the
committee
I'm
mark
ruff,
thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
you
today
on
this
item.
I've
been
at
the
city
a
little
less
than
three
years,
and
there
has
not
been
a
week
that
has
gone
by
or
we
have
not
talked
about
this
project,
as
you
alluded
to
at
the
highest
levels
of
staff.
Review
we've
been
involved.
I
have
been
very
grateful
for
councilmember
Cano
and
inviting
us
in
conversations
with
community.
C
This
is
nine
acres.
You
will
see
the
building
and
kind
of
the
upper
left
which
pieces
of
which
are
still
remaining
and
we're
incorporated.
Excuse
me
into
phase
one,
but
this
site
actually
used
to
be
utilized
for
an
asphalt
and
concrete,
essentially
manufacturing
facility
to
take
care
of
our
streets.
You
can
see
in
the
bottom
left
hand,
side
our
buildings
that
still
remain
as
well.
C
Those
are
part
of
finance
and
property
services,
central
stores,
but
this
particular
site
was
redeveloped
and
when
we
refer
to
phase
one
its,
the
nine
acres
on
the
top
part,
as
this
particular
diagram
does
face
north
at
the
top
of
the
page
is
north,
and
so
you
can
see
that
that
older
facility
was
incorporated
into
a
Public
Works
facility,
which
incorporates
a
variety
of
functions.
Those
functions
that
operate
out
of
there
today
are
Street
maintenance,
their
bridge
maintenance.
They
are
special
service
districts,
there's
a
fair
amount
of
surface
water
and
sewer
employees.
C
We
have
well
over
300
people
that
are
working
in
that
facility
and
there
are
a
fair
number
of
vehicles
on
the
site
as
well:
the
southern
part
of
the
site,
seven
and
a
half
acres
commonly
known
as
the
roof
depot
property,
but
even
before
that
was
used
as
a
warehouse
for
Sears
related
to
some
of
the
retail
facilities.
That
generically
is
referred
to
as
phase
two
within
our
discussions.
Okay,
this
is
a
picture
of
that
phase.
One
is
you're
on
the
north
end
of
the
site
facing
south
on
26.
C
This
is
what
the
building
looks
like
on
the
right,
the
historic
building
and
on
the
left,
the
the
newer
function,
and
that
holds
the
employees
that
I
described
earlier.
That
was
a
LEED
Platinum,
meaning
that
leaders,
leadership,
Energy
and
Environmental
Design,
which
is
the
highest
level
there's
in
addition
to
reuse
of
buildings,
geothermal
that
is
used
on
this
site.
C
I
know
that
in
discussions
with
community
that
sometimes
history
is
not
helpful
in
this,
in
the
sense
of
at
least
this,
from
the
city's
perspective
of
how
has
the
seven
and
a
half
acres
hazed,
who
site
been
viewed
by
the
city,
but
there
have
been
a
number
of
public
actions
that
have
been
taken
over
time.
This.
This
describes
some
of
those
public
actions
and
I
would
say
more
than
anything
else.
What's
some
of
this
history
relates
to
is
over
time
a
move
to
consolidation
of
Public
Works
facilities.
C
Consolidation
brings
efficiency,
consolidation,
minimizes
the
overall
city's
use
of
land,
which
is
an
important
part
of
our
longer-term
comprehensive
planning,
and
that
that
history
goes
back
over
25
years.
Most
recently
2015
was
a
discussion
among
the
City
Council
about
the
acquisition
of
property,
and
what
should
be
put
on
to
this
practice
in
2016
was
actually
the
authorization
for
the
acquisition
of
the
property
in
particular,
because
it
was
before
my
time.
C
I
spent
a
fair
amount
of
a
fair
number
of
hours,
reviewing
the
minutes
and
actually
going
back
and
watching
those
meetings
to
make
sure
I
understood
the
subtleties
of
what
was
being
discussed.
But
at
that
time
there
was
a
move
to
have
public
works,
expanded
on
this
phase
too,
but
there
was
also
an
assumption
that
there
might
be
some
additional
land
available
and
there
are
a
variety
of
non
public
uses
that
were
described,
everything
from
property
and
evidence
for
police
warehousing
to
elections
and
overtime.
C
Those
have
been
eliminated
as
options
because
of
the
increasing
use
and
need
for
the
space
by
Public
Works,
but
there
has
been
an
evolution
and
discussion
even
at
the
council
level.
So
I
don't
mean
to
say
that
has
been
a
monolithic
or
singular
kind
of
approach
from
the
city
without
discussion
or
open-mindedness
to
other
options.
C
C
It
was
not
a
healthy
place
to
work,
and
we
do
anticipate
that
this
building
will
either
be
probably
primarily
demolished
or
substantially
rehab,
but
there
will
be
a
fire
station,
which
is
also
in
poor
condition
in
that
area.
That
will
be
relocated,
which
will
be
improving
response
times
in
that
part
of
the
city,
along
with
waters
to
distribution
and
what
I
mean
by
water
distribution
is.
This
is
these
are
the
folks
in
the
water
yard,
who
maintain
all
of
the
pipes
associated
equipment
that
comes
along
with
water
distribution
of
the
55
million
gallons?
C
There
is
also
a
relocation
of
a
team
that
deals
with
water
meters
and
we
have
over
a
hundred
thousand
water
meters
within
the
city,
and,
if
you
can
folks
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
believe
those
those
folks
are
located
right
now
out
of
the
water
campus
in
Fridley.
In
particular,
a
significant
part
of
this
team
is
emergency
responses
across
the
city
currently
as
I
mentioned,
and
what
will
be
expanded
within
Phase.
C
Folks,
within
our
city,
we
see
that
Phase
two
is
an
opportunity
to
to
provide
even
more
leadership
across,
not
just
the
public
sector,
but
the
private
sector
on
how
we
deal
with
storm
water
and
rain
events
within
the
community,
so
I
think
that's
been.
The
primary
driver
I
think
that
oftentimes
we've
been
just
viewing.
This
Phase
two
is
simply
a
relocation
of
one
building
to
and
from
Northeast
Minneapolis
down
to
28th
and
Hiawatha,
and
that
is
not
the
case.
C
I
have
some
larger
boards,
because
I
know
these
smaller
these,
these
small
there
are
things
on
the
screen
are
hard
to
read,
and
so
hopefully
Michael
you
can
pick
up
in
terms
of
on
the
camera
the
this.
Actually,
this
board
and
I
apologize
for
the
people
behind
me
that
have
to
see
through
that,
but
I'm
going
to
try
to
use
some
of
this
to
explain
the
different
components
of
this
particular
facility.
Okay.
C
So
when
I
talk
about
phase
one
and
phase
two,
these
are
not
mutually
exclusive.
In
other
words,
phase
one,
the
north
part
is
already
completed,
in
fact,
there's
a
great
amount
of
construction
that
will
be
happening
on
the
northern
part
of
the
site
and
Michael.
If
you
in
a
pan
out
just
a
little
bit,
I
can
take
a
good
walk
through.
So
if
we
look
at
the
area
in
the
blue,
these
are
actually
buildings
that
will
be
constructed.
We
have
approximately
130,000
square
feet
of
new
buildings
that
are
proposed
on
this
site.
C
More
than
90%
of
130,000
square
feet
are
actually
tempered,
meaning
their
temperature
controlled.
So
the
blue
are
buildings.
The
darker
gray
in
this
area
is
a
multi-level
parking
deck.
There's
there's
no
two
ways
about
it.
There
are
a
substantial
number
of
vehicles
that
already
exist
on
the
site
and
will
on
those
number
of
vehicles,
will
increase.
The
yellow
are
what's
what's
called
yard.
I've
used
for
any
of
us
who,
who
may
visit
a
hardware
store
or
a
larger
Menards,
Home
Depot
of
a
type
of
place.
C
C
Eventually
that
exists
to
a
out
to
26,
and
that
also
would
be
a
new
entrance
onto
on
and
off
of
28
here
and
I'll
talk
about
traffic
impacts
in
a
minute
the
lighter
gray
or
surface
parking.
So
these
are
areas
that
we
would
have
vehicles
which
are
closer
to
some
of
those
buildings
and
more
temporary
located
and
as
I
mentioned,
the
existing
central
stores
would
remain
as
well
in
the
bottom
of
this
particular
site
is
the
training
facility,
which
we
will
talk
about
a
little
later
in
this
presentation.
C
But
the
accessibility
of
the
training
center
is
one
of
the
reasons
we
are
recommending
as
staff
as
this
option
is
the
one
for
the
City
Council
to
adopt
so
before
I
move
off
of
into
other
options.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
the
site
itself
is
clear
in
addition
to
the
existing
building,
we
will
be
adding
on
in
blue
for
maintenance,
bays
and
wash
bays
on
the
existing
facility.
A
C
M
You
mr.
chair
I
do
have
a
question
on
the
M
I
had
I
had
emailed
you
and
so
many
other
staff
members
about
the
design,
because
the
the
handouts
don't
have
like
a
square
footage
marker
to
each
square
or
rectangle
and
so
forth.
So
I'm
just
curious
I'm
in
option
a
what
is
the
the
size
of
the
training
facility
in
blue
and
and
my
other
question
was
I
noticed
that
the
parking
ramp
in
all
options
accept
option
a
says
that
it's
a
4.5
level
parking
ramp.
M
So
I
just
wanted
to
get
clarity
on
on
that,
because,
because
I've
thought
the
4.5
level
parking
ramp
kicked
in.
If
there
was
one
point
five
acres
allotted
for
private
redevelopment,
but
in
the
dry
and
the
4.5
parking
ramp
levels
seems
pretty
consistent
throughout
options.
B,
C
and
D,
except
for
I,
think
option
A,
which
I
think
option
A
just
says
four
levels
so
just
wanted
to
get
some
specifics
on
some
of
these
numbers.
Mr.
C
Chair
councillor
McConnell,
we
are
at
the
stage
of
design
where
we
have
not
exactly
placed
buildings
on
this
site.
You
know
these
are
still
overall
illustrative
pictures.
So
to
answer
your
question
directly,
the
training
facility
on
the
bottom
could
be
anywhere
from
9,000
to
14,000
square
foot
footprint
and
then
it's
a
question
of
how
many
floors
would
be
on.
So
you
know
whether
there
is
exactly
this
number
of
parking
spaces
right
north
of
the
training
facility
or
whether
the
facility
grows
a
little
bit
in
that
parking
gets
moved.
C
That's
the
evolution
of
the
design
process
that
we
are
currently
undertaking.
This
is
that
what
we
call
program
stage,
which
is,
do
we
have
big
enough
buildings
to
meet
the
needs
of
the
different
divisions
and
are
we
making
sure-
and
this
is
where
Lisa
cerny
spent
a
great
deal
of
time
on
her
own?
Do
we
have
in
the
under
parked
or
over
parked?
Do
we
have
the
shift
changes?
C
Do
we
have
all
of
the
things
that
go
into
sizing
a
facility
that
we're
taking
into
account
and
I
would
say
based
on
this
year's
worth
of
work,
where
we
are
confident
we're
within
the
90
to
95
percent,
but
things
will
change
even
if
you
all
said
great
go
ahead,
move
on
from
here,
we
there
will
be
changes
in
this
site
as
they
do
with
any
particular
design.
The
other
changes
in
terms
of
these
subsequent
options
all
hopefully
answer
those
questions
as
we
move
through
those
other
options.
Think.
G
C
Mr.
chair
council,
vice-president,
maybe
this
next
slide
will
help
illustrate
that
the
timing
is
good
in
terms
of
describing
this.
There
are
various
components
of
what's
necessary
to
maintain
our
infrastructure
right,
and
this
picture
is
I.
Think
a
great
one
of
illustrating
what
some
of
those
are
which
is
we
have
manhole
covers
in
the
upper
left.
We
have
fire
water,
hydrants
fire
hydrants
on
the
bottom
left.
We
have
larger
pipes
associated
with
sanitary
sewer
on
the
bottom
right
and
then
you
can
see
in
the
upper
right.
C
Not
only
a
manhole
covers,
but
also
the
vaults,
the
area
that
contains
you
know
under
the
street
that
contained
that
that
material
can
only
be
stacked
so
high
and
they
I
think
certainly
miss
Ernie
can
get
up
and
talk
about
the
more
specifics
about
why
we
spread
these
out.
But
the
short
answer
would
be
it's
for
efficiency
sake
right.
We
don't.
C
We
don't
want
to
have
all
of
this
in
one
place,
because
it
would
be
an
enormous
area
to
be
kind
of
moving
around
and
because
we
need
to
have
space
where
smaller
vehicles
can
fit
in
within
some
of
the
yard
space.
And
so
this
illustration
is
the
best
I
can
give
you
to
try
to
answer
your
question.
Okay,
moving
on
I
can
mr.
chair
on
that
on
the
presentation.
C
I
think
certainly
sensitivity
to
the
fact
that
we
will
have
some
of
this
yard
storage,
but
public
works,
and
this
is
a
shot
from
the
27th
and
University
buffering.
Clearly,
an
important
part
of
the
green
space
that
would
be
involved
here
would
be
the
buffering
of
some
of
that
yard
space
both
with
buildings
and
with
landscaping
that
would
be
involved
with
those
project
elements.
C
So
we
can
then
the
20%
user
of
that
and
potentially
guarantee
another
20%
for
those
social
with
low
and
moderate
income.
But
as
we
have
a
very
sophisticated
city
staff
who
are
able
to
undertake
either
those
options-
and
this
would
be
a
part
of
the
discussion
on
on
this
whole
facility.
The
other
project
elements
that
I
alluded
to
earlier
would
just
be
stormwater
treatment,
and
these
are
highlights
of
opportunities
that
either
exist
or
could
exist
on
this
site.
C
For
both
a
landscaping
buffer,
as
well
as
research
in
this
area,
traffic
impacts,
as
I
mentioned,
there
are
three
outlets
on
various
parts
of
this
site.
On
the
26th
streets,
side
of
the
north
side
of
the
site,
there
is
already
traffic
that
exists.
We
would
be
lessening
that
traffic
with
the
opening
of
the
28th
Street
option.
C
You
have
four
trips
for
every
person
as
they
come
into
the
site
for
work
as
they
then
leave
to
go
out
and
work
in
the
community
and
as
they
come
back
in
and
then
and
exit,
sometimes
not
as
many
as
those
four
per
person
27th,
as
others
has
a
low,
and
it's
been
intentional.
This
is
again
Longfellow
in
27th
and
this
would
be
lessened
as
as
well
low
traffic
volume
within
this
particular
site
on
28th
we
would
be
increasing
trips.
I
C
Numbers
sure
mr.
chair
comes
from
Iver
Cunningham.
We
employed
a
professional
traffic
engineer
who
looks
at
how
many
people
are
working
on
the
site.
What
their
functions
are
they
interview
the
folks
who
are
in
management
of
that
to
try
to
get
a
sense,
as
I
mentioned,
how
many
people
just
come
there
and
stay,
how
many
people
come
actually
leave?
There
is
peaking
in
this
that
they
also
look
at.
C
So
it's
not
just
a
total
trips,
but
it's
at
what
times
a
day,
and
we
have
a
full
analysis
if
anybody
on
the
council
was
interested
to
review
that,
but
it
is
a
as
close
to
a
science
as
we
can
get
and
utilize.
Certainly,
every
private
developer,
who
comes
to
the
city
is
also
required
to
put
forth
the
same
kind
of
level
of
discernment,
yeah,
so
I
was
going
to
mention.
Mr.
chair
was
just
that
I
know.
The
Greenway
is
a
particular
concern.
C
C
I
know
part
of
the
discussion
and
the
meetings
I've
been
to
some
push
back
for
us
as
city
staff
to
say:
hey.
What's
an
acknowledgment
of
what
the
neighborhood's
proposal
is:
you've
you're,
showing
us
that
charts
of
what
the
city
is
proposing,
but
let's
have
a
discussion
about
what
the
what
the
neighborhood
is
proposing
and
certainly
have
had
several
discussions
with
dean,
davos
from
dgr,
certainly
individuals
who
are
interested
in
occupying
this
building
over
the
last
couple
of
years,
but
just
a
quick
review.
C
I
know
many
of
you
have
had
briefings
from
ep
and
I
the
the
the
group
who
was
who
was
proposing
to
put
aquaponics
both
what
is
called
low-tech
and
high-tech.
The
original
proposal
from
the
community
is
for
three
acres
with
a
small
retail
component.
This
drawing
I
believe
shows
28
housing
units
over
the
top
of
some
of
that
industrial
use.
There's
300,000
dollars
of
state
more
than
$300,000
of
state
money
secured
and
at
least
the
discussions
we
have
would
be
requesting
free
land
from
the
city.
C
The
low
tech
would
be
related
to
preserving
a
part
of
the
property
that
is
the
current
building.
That's
on
the
right
side
of
this
drawing
what
I
think
is
an
effort
to
produce
as
lower
rents
as
possible
for
these
businesses
and
then
the
high
tech
under
the
newer
construction
on
the
far
left
side
of
this.
C
So
an
acknowledgment
of
that
proposal
and
the
discussions
that
we've
had
because
I
I
would
say
that
many
of
us
in
the
departments
have
worked
toward
what
we
would
see
as
a
compromise,
a
place
where
both
the
city
and
the
neighborhood
proposal
could
could
exist,
and
I
will
talk
about
that
at
the
at
the
end
of
the
of
the
project.
I
think
the
other
things
that
I
wanted
to
highlight
was
a
reaction
and
efforts
that
we
have
brought
forward
to
the
neighborhood
as
well
as
now
to
this
body.
C
Is
how
close
could
we
get
to
that
three
acres
as
that
being
an
ideal
towards
this
situation,
and
so
we've
come
up
with
three
other
alternatives
in
addition
to
option
a
which
are
before
the
committee
at
this
time
and
I
won't
use
these
boards.
Unless
there
is
a
specific
question
that
someone
wants
me
to
highlight,
but
I
will
walk
through
the
advantages
and
disadvantages
of
each
of
those
so
option.
B
is
in
the
bottom
left
to
have
what
has
come
in
in
the
orange
to
have
non
municipal
use,
and
so
how
do
we
accomplish
that?
C
We
accomplish
that
by
primarily
moving
the
training
facility
to
the
northeast
corner,
the
upper
right
hand
of
this
picture.
Okay,
so
it
has
become
stacked
with
the
other
facilities
that
are
proposed
for
this
site.
It
would,
as
we
move
facilities
up
in
that
area,
reduces
parking
that
is
available
on
the
southern
part,
which
would
councilmember
condos
point
be
more
than
four
levels
of
parking.
We
use
four
and
a
half
in
all
of
these
drawings,
because
we
can't
tell
you
whether
it's
for
Ana
quarter
for
in
a
third
for
in
three
quarters.
C
But
we
declined
to
given
some
of
the
cost
to
model
that
out,
and
so
we
don't
have
more
granularity
than
than
just
an
acknowledgment.
That'll
be
something
more
than
four
levels:
the
training
space,
then
being
in
the
upper
right
hand
corner
it's
less
accessible,
part
of
the
advantage
of
being
in
the
area
that
we
had
described
before
under
option
a
was.
C
You
can
see
the
red
on
the
bottom
left
when
the
training
center
in
the
bottom
left,
you
had
the
ability
to
potentially
have
an
outlet
out
to
Longfellow
or
some
kind
of
secured
space,
even
if
there's
not
an
outlet
out
and
along
to
Longfellow
that
would
more
after-hours
access.
It's
more
difficult.
When
you
move
that
up
and
as
I
said,
it's
just
more
of
a
cramped
space
up
in
the
northeast
corner,
but
it
is
possible
and
that's
what
you
asked
us
to
look
at
was
what's
the
realm
of
possible.
C
The
the
difficulties
would
be
a
higher
expense,
both
by
stacking,
the
buildings
which
is
about
a
half
a
million
dollars
defense
and
then
some
additional
costs
of
parking
which
we're
estimating
at
a
million
dollars.
Is
it
that's,
probably
like
a
70
to
80%
accuracy,
number?
Okay?
If
we
can
sell
that
land
and
we
would
assume
that
per
city
policies,
we
would
go
through
a
procurement
process
in
RFP.
If
there's
an
offset
of
for
the
land
sale,
then
that
would
help
reduce
that
cost.
Okay.
So
that's
about
one
acre
in
that
orange
space.
C
The
most
we
could
get
in
terms
of
overall
size
was
about
1.5
to
1.6
acres.
Again,
how
do
we
do
that?
We
take
away
yard
space
to
come
some
vice-presidents
question.
We
would
just
either
have
to
carry
less
inventory
on
the
site
and
have
smaller
yard
space
it's
down
by
about
10,000
11,000
square
feet,
or
we
would
have
to
enter
into
more
expensive
kind
of
racking
and
or
just
be
more
creative
about
what
kind
of
machinery
we
would
need.
C
The
area
of
the
orange
then
again
puts
more
pressure,
because
what's
the
first
thing
that
would
go
in
trying
to
create
more
space
would
be
partly
parking,
which
would
put
more
pressure
onto
probably
closer
to
a
full
level
on
the
parking
deck
which
is
about
a
three
million
dollar
cost.
We
also
would
have
more
operating
cost
if
we
had
less
inventory
and
again
uncertain
about
what
the
land
sale
offset
would
be
option.
D
is
the
same
thing
just
at
the
orange
being
in
a
different
place.
C
So,
instead
of
all
on
the
bottom
left
corner,
it
would
be
across
the
southern
part
of
the
site,
but
again
with
that,
28th
access.
That's
important.
If
we
think
about
building
this
facility
over
the
next
hundred
years,
other
than
that
I
think
that
trade-offs
and
advantages
disadvantages
are
the
same
between
option
C
and
option
D.
C
Part
of
that
is
a
recognition
that
that
what
we've
heard
from
the
neighborhood
the
EPI
folks
is
that
they
could
move
down
to
two
acres
of
utilizing
space,
but
there
are
two
components
as
I
have
and
David
Frank's
been
in.
Some
of
these
discussions
with
me,
as
well
with
routine
Davos
and
with
others
in
the
community,
is
that
keeping
the
existing
building
is
an
important
part
of
what
the
EP
and
I
proposal,
and
we
cannot
see
a
version
of
this
Public
Works
facility
to
meet
the
needs
over
the
next
century.
C
So
the
two-weeker
proposal
that
was
brought
forward
did
not
include
any
parking
for
the
EPA,
and
so
there
would
need
to
be
some
space
allocated
and,
as
we
said,
we're
short
on
parking
already
so
I
I.
Don't
think
this
is
a
matter
of
compromise.
I.
Think
it's
a
matter
of.
Are
we
trying
to
accomplish
two
different
sets
of
goals
on
the
same
site,
which
has
created
this
zero-sum
game,
which
has
cost
caused
a
great
deal
of
the
anxiety
that
exists
within
this
project
and
so
I?
C
Think
that
offset
with
the
other
alternative,
which
is
over
the
last
several
months
has
been
this
training
facility.
That
would
be
seen
as
a
way
to
help
address
some
of
the
needs
of
the
community,
maybe
not
within
the
particular
vision
of
what
EPA
and
I
has
brought
forward,
but
in
the
larger
set
of
a
key
community
asset
and
Miss
Ernie
referred
to
this
in
tpw
last
week,
I'll
just
quickly
highlight
some
of
the
factors
that
are
driving.
This
one
is
increased
number
of
retirements
over
the
next
decade
for
Public
Works.
C
We
see
fully
almost
1/3
of
their
workforce.
That
would
be
eligible
for
retirement
over
the
next
10
years.
This
recruitment
and
training
center
would
not
just
be
for
city
staff,
but
we've
had
early
discussions
and
several
discussions
with
labor
organizations
with
the
park
board.
Who
can
see
the
value
of
having
hands-on
training,
which
we
currently
send
our
staff?
C
If
not
one
more
than
one
more
than
almost
two
hours
away
to
facilities
that
can
handle
this
kind
of
training,
the
second
area
is
recruitment.
That
has
we've
heard
from
the
trades.
Is
that
when
you
go
to
the
State
Fair,
they
have
a
semi
truck
that
you
can
go
in
and
try
out
equipment
and
this
facility
being
located
where
it
would
be.
C
So
the
cooperation
and
the
utilization
of
that
kind
of
facility
has
emerged
as
as
one
factor
for
the
City
Council
to
consider.
As
we
look
at
these
different
options
of
the
facility
specifically
on
this
training
center,
we
would
have
if
it
were
in
a
located
in
the
bottom
left-hand
side
of
the
site.
It
would
be
two
levels
there
would
be
a
component
of
Technology
training.
C
There
would
be
classrooms
and
simulation
which
include
computer
training,
then,
and
then
the
first
floor
would
be
shop
and
then
also
actually
a
big
sandpit,
so
a
place
where
people
can
who
have
to
go
into
the
ground
and
have
a
vault
that
protects
them
from
collapsing.
Walls
could
practice
that
in
a
in
a
safe
environment
before
they
have
to
go
out
into
the
elements
or
into
an
emergency
situation,
that
we
see
is
one
of
the
major
components
this
this
is
frankly
I
think
has
generated
excitement
within
the
city
as
an
opportunity.
C
This
is
a
rendering
if
that
facility
were
to
be
in
the
southwest
corner
of
the
site,
what
it
would
look
like
again
with
the
landscaping
buffers
that
we
have
talked
about
so.
Finally,
that
brings
us
to
the
end
of
the
presentation.
Thank
you
for
your
indulgence.
I
would
I
would
say
that
as
staff,
this
project
has
been
a
struggle,
because
we
want
it
to
work.
We
want
it
to
work,
not
just
for
the
Public
Works
Department.
C
We
wanted
to
work
for
the
neighborhood
and
we
appreciate
counsel
Americanos
efforts
to
increase
the
conversation
that
has
happened
again,
as
many
of
us
were
able
to
attend
the
movie
last
night,
put
on
by
the
Bloomberg
philanthropies
and
National
Geographic.
That
talked
about
climate
change
and
I
was
inspired
by
the
movie
Noma
number
of
you
were
there
as
well.
I
was
inspired
by
it
for
two
reasons.
C
One
is
it
highlighted
this
issue
that
I
described
earlier
about
stormwater,
impacts
of
climate
change
and
that
you
know
there
was
a
story
about
Miami
and
losing
their
their
source
of
water.
Thankfully,
we
don't
have
that
in
the
Midwest,
but
we
clear
they
have
issues
of
storm
water
and
what
we're
going
to
be
doing
for
our
property
over
a
longer
period
of
time,
which
just
tells
me
that
the
importance
of
maintaining
a
facility
that's
going
to
be
able
to
address
those
challenges
over
the
next
hundred
years.
C
I
think
the
question
before
the
committee
is:
is
that
is
an
acre
in
an
acre,
a
half
enough
to
satisfy
what
the
neighborhood
is
looking
for,
or
if
that,
if
remedying
environmental
injustice
and
providing
opportunities
for
hearing
urban
agriculture
are
an
important
facet
for
the
City
Council.
Then
what
are
the
other
opportunities
that
are
either
in
the
area
that
we
as
a
city
can
help
bring
forth?
C
N
Good
afternoon,
chairman
sami
and
members
of
the
Ways
and
Means
Committee
I'm
Robin
Hodgson
own
director
of
public
works
and
Public
Works
has
been
developing.
This
idea
of
recruitment
and
training
associated
with
this
facility
and
associated
with
all
of
our
work
in
public
works
in
the
city.
We
have
reached
out
to
several
labor
organizations
who
have
expressed
their
interest
in
continuing
to
work
together
on
this
project.
They
have
expressed
their
needs
to
us,
which
we
have
then
written
into
and
express
the
need
through
the
RCA
that
you
have
now.
N
We
also
reached
out
to
our
partners
at
the
park
board,
who
have
also
written
a
letter
of
support
and
continue
to
reach
out
to
others
who
are
feeling
the
same
pinch
in
labor
as
we
are
and
as
Mark
showed
and
as
Lisa
cerny,
our
city
engineer,
expressed
in
transportation
and
Public
Works.
Nearly
a
third
of
our
public
works
workforce
will
retire
or
are
eligible
to
retire
within
the
next
ten
years.
N
It
is
so
important
that
we
build
our
pipeline
so
that
we
can
adapt
to
any
problem
that
comes
our
way
in
the
city
and
so
that
we
can
continue
to
provide
the
same
high
quality
and
same
high
level
of
service
that
we
provide
to
all
of
our
four
hundred
and
twenty
thousand
residents.
And
as
we're
doing
this,
we
are
committed
to
increasing
diversity
in
our
workforce,
we're
at
about
a
quarter
right
now
in
public,
worse
works
and
by
having
a
dedicated
recruitment
and
training
facility.
N
A
And
then,
to
follow
up
with
this
somebody
who's
very
much
interested
in
work
force
development.
What
about
opportunities
for
young
kids
in
the
neighborhood,
for
example,
little
latte
young
children
live
there.
What
about
the
large
Latino
community
largest
African
community
around
this
facility?
What
would
be
the
opportunities
for
these?
N
You
public
pensions,
the
series
of
jobs
we
have
jobs
in
public
works
that
range
from
trainee
programs,
where
we
offer
a
starting
salary
of
16
dollars
an
hour
that
quickly
bumps
up
to
$17
an
hour
within
six
months.
We
those
jobs,
are
available
with
very,
very
low
barrier
to
entry.
You
need
no
experience
to
apply
for
a
trainee
job
and
public
works.
We
are.
We
then
would
move
someone
into
a
service
worker
position
service
working
one
service
worker
to
into
a
technician.
We
also
have
for
engineer,
trainees,
technicians,
engineers
and
really
all
levels.
N
The
part
of
the
pipeline
that
were
really
trying
to
build
is
in
the
trainee
program
where
we
think
we
can
offer
the
most
opportunity
for
residents
of
Minneapolis
to
get
into
a
field
that
they
perhaps
previously
didn't.
Consider.
We
provide
training,
support
these
jobs
come
with
full
benefits.
Okay,.
G
Thank
You
Teresa
me
and
director
Hudson
said,
and
that
was
part
of
my
inquiry-
is
what
average
salaries
and
education
levels
I
do
think
that
these
opportunities
ones
that
offer
living
wages
beyond
minimum
wages
without
crushing
burden
student
loans
and
such
but
I
was
hoping.
You
could
speak
to
more
of
the
environmental
aspect
of
this
facility
and
all
director
ruff
sort
of
touched
on
it
a
little
bit,
but.
G
N
Many
of
our
top,
first
of
all,
just
Public
Works
is
committed
to
nevada
and
climate
change.
It
is
real,
it
is
happening.
We
get
that
our
work
is
extremely
focused
on
that,
whether
it
be
our
work
in
transportation
and
changing
mode
shift
or
as
director
ruff
has
said,
our
work
to
mitigate
the
effects
of
climate
change,
which
often
comes
to
us
in
the
form
of
flooding
this
site
will
help
us
combat
the
effects
of
climate
change.
N
N
Second,
this
team
located
here,
would
be
responsible
for
distributing
55
million
gallons.
A
day
of
safe
drinking
water
to
every
single
resident
in
this
city,
as
well
as
wholesale
customers
outside
of
our
city,
I,
consider
that
also
to
be
an
opportunity
for
a
green
job.
There
are
numerous
site
design
elements,
including
solar,
ready,
storm
water,
recapture
management.
N
The
greening
of
the
fleet
is
a
priority
for
Public
Works.
By
consolidating
we
have
an
opportunity
to
have
more
of
our
electric
vehicles
located
here
and
to
provide
charging
at
this
location.
It's
not
just
the
vehicle.
We
have
to
build
the
charging.
We
need
a
place
to
build
the
charging.
If
we
want
to
then
have
the
vehicles
and
that's
a
big
strategy
for
us
as
well-
am
I
missing
anything
from
the
site
design
in
green.
A
I
It's
okay,
I
I,
just
wanted
to
first
say
in
terms
of
like
the
jobs
aspect
like
a
city,
job
is
legit
in
terms
of
salary
in
terms
of
benefits,
one
of
the
biggest
concerns
that
folks
have
are
around
traffic
and
the
increased
pollution
from
this
specifically
from
the
traffic
with
diesel
trucks.
Or
you
know
such
as
that.
Can
you
talked
a
little
bit
about
electrifying
the
fleet?
How
are
some
other
ways
that
there
has
been
intentional
conversations
around
mid
the
pollution
that
is
created
from
the
additional
trucks
and
diesel
and
chair.
N
Haami
councilmember
Cunningham.
Thank
you
for
the
question
about
mitigating
the
effects
of
the
increase
in
traffic
that
we
may
see
on
certain
roads.
This
is
a
problem
for
us
all
over
the
city
as
development
is
occurring
and
we
apply
the
Institute
of
Transportation
engineers
trip
generation
rates
to
any
project.
We
almost
always
see
an
increase
in
the
number
of
trips,
we're
working
really
hard
to
reduce
vehicle
trips
as
much
as
we
possibly
possibly
can,
and
to
as
quickly
as
we
can
reduce
the
number
of
diesel
pieces
of
equipment
in
our
fleet.
N
We
will
continue
to
do
that
with
regards
to
electrification.
We
wish
the
industry
were
to
catch,
would
catch
up
to
where
we
want
to
be
right
now,
it's
possible
for
us
to
replace
sedans
and
light
duty
pickups
with
electric
versions.
Once
we
get
our
charging
in
place,
but
nobody's
making
a
vac
truck
in
electric
form
or
a
front-end
loader,
and
these
are
important
pieces
of
equipment
that
we
still
need
to
use,
but
that
are
not
that
are
not
yet
available
in
electric
format.
A
M
You
mr.
chair,
so
I
wanted
to
thank
our
city
staff
for
working
so
diligently
with
the
community
over
the
last
at
least
minimum
last
year.
I
know
that
myself
and
residents
in
the
Phillips
community
and
in
the
surrounding
area,
as
well
as
the
entire
city,
have
been
engaging
on
this
topic,
since
it
was
first
presented
to
me
by
then
councilmember
John,
Quincy
and
council
member
Kevin
Reich,
and
so
since
then,
we've
been
engaging.
M
You
know
this
was
back
in
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2014
on
this
project
and
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
make
this
a
project
that
meets
the
needs
of
multiple
stakeholders,
and
so
I
appreciate
the
moment
in
time.
We're
in
now
and
don't
appreciate
the
loss
of
sleep
I've
gotten
over
the
last
couple
of
days,
trying
to
get
ready
for
today's
conversation
and
a
final
vote
on
this
on
December,
7th
and
so
over.
M
That's
going
to
be
able
to
get
enough
support
on
the
council
to
this
project
forward,
as
well
as
continue
to
retain
and
value
and
uphold
the
M,
the
main
the
core,
the
core
of
what
the
the
community
vision
has
been
over
time,
which
some
of
it
aligns
really
well
around
the
economic
development
and
workforce
development
questions
and
in
issues.
It
was
really
great
to
see
that
slide.
M
On
the
solar
panel,
because
the
the
East
Phillips
neighborhood
Institute,
which
is
a
an
organization
that
was
established
out
of
a
coalition
of
groups
who
has
been
steadily
advancing,
this
vision
for
sustainable
community
development
in
south
Minneapolis,
did
help
the
cities
secure
that
a
ten
thousand
dollar
grant
from
the
Department
of
Energy
to
develop
a
low-income
household,
solar
garden,
and
so
it's
it's
good
to
know
that
that's
still
a
part
of
the
mix
and
that
we're
gonna
be
able
to
continue
that
discussion.
Moving
forward.
M
I
do
have
a
couple
of
questions,
but
did
want
to
just
let
my
colleagues
know
that
over
the
last
I
would
say
twenty
four
hours
we've
moved
from.
Can
we
find
a
new
site
for
them?
What
are
your
facility?
You
need
facility
too.
Can
we
find
1.5
acres
to
now
engaging
with
the
mayor
and
engaging
with
the
various
chairs
of
our
committees
to
see
where
we
can
get
this
project
to
to
land
by
Friday?
M
So
it's
my
request
that
the
committee
forward,
without
recommendation
today,
to
allow
me
more
time
to
get
folks
in
alignment
on
what
we're
hoping
to
do
with
this
conversation.
Understanding
that
you
know
I've
communicated
with
a
majority
of
you
multiple
times
over
the
last
two
days
and
we've
had
really
in-depth
conversations
about
how
to
make
this
a
win-win
for
everyone,
and
so
we're
trying
to
figure
out
that
how
it's
not
so
much
that
as
our
CFO
mentioned,
that
it
doesn't
have
to
be
a
zero-sum
game.
M
But
it's
more
of
how
do
we
hold
these
conversations
together
and
how
to
we
get
to
that
that
place
that
feels
fulfilling
for
for
everyone,
and
so
I
wanted
to
just
state.
My
intentions
in
that
is
that
that
I
would
that's
what
I
would
like
to
to
see
if
the
committee
can
entertain
is
advancing
this
conversation
to
the
full
City
Council
on
Friday,
without
a
recommendation
and
and
I
did
have
a
couple
of
questions,
clarifications
for
the
project
details.
M
But
I
would
be
curious
to
know
from
staff
if
we
have
sort
of
a
ballpark
figure
of
how
much
it
would
cost
to
demolish
the
building
and
if
we're
thinking
that
the
entire
thing
needs
to
be
demolished
or
if
there
could
be
a
certain
portion
of
it,
that
could
still
stand
because
I
would
like
to
just
get
a
better
understanding
of
some
of
the
anticipated
costs
of
either
of
just
demolition
or
remediation,
because
I
did
notice
that
the
word
remediation
was
also
there.
So
it'd
be
great
to
hear
what
remediation
were
hoping
to
do.
Sure.
C
Chair
councilmember
kind
of
the
estimates
are
demolition
of
the
building
are
in
the
million
a
million
and
a
half
range,
then
on
top
of
that
would
be
remediation
of
both
asbestos
within
the
building
and
then
also
soil
contamination
that
exists
on
the
site.
That
is
in
the
two
to
two
and
a
half
million
dollar
range,
but
the
authorization
that
we
that
we
inserted
into
the
request
for
council
action
is
to
authorize
staff
to
solicit
proposals.
C
A
G
B
J
Thank
You
Jerry
saw
me
I'm
willing
to
support
that
as
well.
Council
member
Cano
has
been
working
incredibly
hard
to
try
to
find
a
win-win
scenario,
to
the
best
extent
that
we
can
and
I
want
to
be
clear.
That
I,
don't
think
we're
gonna
get
to
a
point
by
Friday
where
anybody
feels
like
this
was
a
complete
win
for
everybody.
J
I
think
it
is
such
an
unfortunate
situation
that
the
way
this
is
developed-
and
this
happened
before
this
council
term
and
and
and
we're
working
to
figure
out
where
we're
at
now
has
pitted
two
things
against
each
other
that
are
both
so
valuable
right.
There
is,
on
the
one
hand,
a
community
vision
for
this
site
that
I
think
a
lot
of
people
have
found
very
inspiring
and
on
the
other
hand,
when
we
talk
about
environmental
racism
in
this
country.
J
One
of
the
first
things
that
we
talked
about
is
Flint
Michigan
and
the
failure
to
provide
clean
water
to
citizens,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
am
proud
of
about
this
city
is
that
we
are
thinking
forward
to
make
sure
that
we
do
not
do
that.
But
there
is
clean,
safe
drinking
water
in
every
single
neighborhood
in
every
single
part
of
the
city,
and
that
is
a
part
of
doing
the
work
to
not
enact
environmental
racism
and
our
workers,
who
lift
this
up.
Who
are
workers
who
do
this?
Work
deserve
to
be
lifted.
J
It
is
not
going
to
be
what
everybody
hoped
and
dreamed
of
necessarily,
but
we
are
going
to
get
to
something
good,
one
of
the
things
that
I'm
very
encouraged
by
and
that
I
hope
everybody
starts
to
think
about.
Is
that,
as
we
are
thinking
about
the
important
work
of
clean
water,
that
this
training
facility
really
has
a
lot
of
potential
and
I.
J
But
we
make
sure
we
get
absolutely
as
much
opportunity
as
we
can
squeeze
out
of
the
opportunity
to
create
a
community-based
Center
to
invite
people
who
have
been
excluded
from
a
lot
of
the
building
trades
historically
to
get
into
these
jobs
and
be
part
of
providing
clean
water
to
our
community.
And
so
I
am
optimistic
based
on
the
last
48
hours
that
the
work
councilmember
Connell
is
doing
is
going
to
provide
some
genuine
benefit
to
reward
some
genuine
benefit
to
our
whole
city
and
looking
forward
to
being
part
of
those
conversations.
J
A
How
that
my
support
to
this
motion
is
wrong.
The
council
vice
president,
has
made
and
council
member
Johnson
has
made
as
well,
and
the
reason
is
the
main
thing
is
you
know
we
have
to.
As
policymakers
have
discussions,
we
have
to
come
to
an
agreement.
You
have
to
come
to
a
consensus.
My
main
thing
is
about
the
jobs.
A
Good
training
I
think
it's
a
lifetime
opportunity
that
we
need
to
seize
upon.
So
that's
my
main
support
this
further
for
the
motion
in
terms
of,
and
also
I,
would
like
to
mention
before
we
go
forward.
Is
the
you
know
the
strain
and
the
pressure
has
been
put
on
city
staff,
especially
the
directors
that
are
here
today,
who
have
been
put
under
a
lot
of
pressure
to
come
up
with
quick
solutions
to
come
up
with
numbers
to
come
up
with
data?
B
You
mr.
chair
I
just
want
to
speak
on
this
item
for
a
moment
and
I
want
to
recognize
everybody.
They
came
out
here
today
and
it's
been
through
this
process
as
we've
had
a
number
of
meetings
on
this
and
I
want
you
to
know
your
voices
matter
in
this
and
I.
Think
personally
that
you
brought
forward
a
really
incredible
innovative
vision
around
utilizing
this
site
and
I
really
want
and
wish.
We
could
find
a
way
to
get
there
and
I
worked
closely
with
councilmember
Cano
on
trying
to
find
the
political
will
to
make
that
happen.
B
You
know
this
is
just
such
an
ideal
site
along
the
Greenway
and
by
the
light
rail
station.
I
think
that's
also
a
reason
why
Public
Works
looks
at
this
site
and
sees
it
as
an
opportunity
as
well,
but
I
really
want
a
solution
where
we're
empowering
the
community
or
lifting
up
rather
an
empowered
community
and
that
vision
and
circling
around
and
supporting
it
and
I
wish.
B
We
had
that
support
built
already
in
in
this
moment,
and
I
also
want
to
recognize
too,
and
we've
had
discussions
around
the
potential
of
moving
it
to
other
sites.
The
issue
that
often
comes
up
is
around
money
and
I,
see
that
when
the
NFL
comes
to
us,
the
City
Council
says
yes,
we
can
afford
giving
you
millions
of
dollars.
When
the
NBA
comes
to
us.
The
council
says:
yes,
we
can't
afford
giving
you
millions
of
dollars.
B
When
then
c-double-a
just
came
to
us,
the
council
said
yes,
we
can
afford
to
give
you
almost
a
million
dollars
when
folks
come
to
us
asking
for
millions
of
dollars
for
forgiving
fundraising
on
the
downtown
park.
We
said
yes,
we
can
afford
that
as
well
and
suddenly,
when
one
of
our
most
diverse
communities
in
the
city
comes
to
us
and
says
we'd
like
that
support,
we
say
no
I'm.
Sorry.
Is
that
really
financially
responsible
I
don't
know
they
are.
B
It's
just
really
frustrating,
as
a
policymaker
I
think
we
need
to
recognize
that
we
have
communities
within
our
city
that
have
been
disinvested
in
and
in
order
to
make
up
for
that,
we
really
have
to
go
the
extra
mile.
We
have
to
step
up
and
put
additional
resources
in
those
communities.
That's
work,
I,
support
and
I
hope.
As
a
council,
we
can
get
to
that
as
a
body
and
actually
step
up
and
do
that
work.
I
thought
that
would
be
with
this
project.
B
Hopefully,
there's
still
opportunities
on
this
site,
where
we
can
make
that
additional
investment
and
then
find
other
opportunities
within
the
city
as
well
and
as
I
say
all
this
I
want
to
recognize
too
I
know
others
have
the
hard
work.
Our
public
work
staff
have
done
on
this
in
no
way
do
I.
Look
at
this
project
is
a
negative
thing
to
have
this
Public
Works
facility.
We
need
this
facility
built
somewhere.
E
E
But
I
really
appreciate
that
committee
is
moving
in
forward
without
recommendation.
I
guess
there
would
have
been
other
options
that
I
might
have
thought
were
great
too,
but
I
was
very
concerned
when
all
I
saw
in
the
agenda
was
option.
A
and
I
actually
think
we're
pretty
close
to
a
win-win.
I've
had
some
conversations,
I
have
like
most
a
lot
of
you.
I
do
open
office
hours
in
the
ward
and
I've
been
visited
from
a
lot
of
folks
from
Philips.
E
Who've
talked
about
the
needs
and
the
wants
and
the
desires
and
when
I
look
at
the
options
presented,
I
look
at
option,
D
and
I
think
well
option.
D
is
really
close
to
what
they're
wanting
and
what
they're
expecting
and
trying
to
get
to,
and
also
it
provides
much
of
the
needs
to
serve
the
city's
interests
on
there
as
well
and
I
think
with
a
few
more
days,
and
we
can
work
out
some
of
the
details
and
hear
one
another's
concerns.
E
I'm
hopeful
that
we
can
come
back
on
Friday
with
something
that
could
work
for
at
least
a
majority
I
know.
Sometimes
we
want
to
make
sure
everything
is,
is
consensus
and
we
have
13
votes
for
everything,
but
remember
we
can
pass
something
if
there's
a
little
less
than
that
as
well,
and
people
have
a
right
to
stand
on
the
outside,
but
I
think
we're
close
to
a
win-win
and
I.
Don't
want
to
act
like
that.
E
I
certainly
understand
that,
where
our
staff
are
ready
to
make
whatever
we
do,
work
I
mean
they're
in
this
they're
in
this
I
don't
know
this
do
because
of
the
City
Council
has
put
them
there,
based
on
recommendations
to
came
back
and
we're
having
trouble
figuring
it
out
and
I
know
that
they
can
rise
to
the
occasion
and
they'll
make
whatever
they
need
to
work
and
I'm
deeply
grateful
for
all
the
effort
they
put
into
this
so
far
what
they
can
do
in
the
future.
Thank.
H
Thank
You
mr.
chair
for
the
indulgence
first
of
all,
I
would
encourage
any
had
seen
the
Opera
outlay
that
was
given
by
director
journey
in
transportation,
Public
Works
Committee
to
get
the
full
details
of
the
operational
aspect.
Certain
key
highlights
were
alluded
to
today,
but
as
we
wanted
to
sort
of
split
the
conversation
from
finance
and
property
and
sort
of
Public
Works
operations,
there's
more
detail
in
that
in
that
report
and
I
believe
that's
something
that
could
be
reviewed
for
anyone.
We
had
a
colleague
or
people,
someone
in
the
audience.
H
H
There
is
this
notion
of
okay.
There's
Department
needs
there's
sort
of
the
city
the
enterprise
needs,
but
behind
that
there's
a
human
equation,
we're
talking
about
hundreds
of
not
just
abstract
employees,
people,
the
actual
frontline
workers,
the
foremen
people,
the
managers,
the
fine
I
mean
the
people
who
actually
delivers
of
our
people,
many
of
whom
live
in
our
communities
as
well
and
as
we
try
to
say
we're
gonna
have
a
workforce
of
the
future.
H
Those
are
people,
so
these
are
about
people's
needs
and
how
we
best
coordinate
our
resources
to
meet
those
needs
and
I'm
an
optimist.
I,
don't
think
we're
going
to
be
forwarding
something
to
then
completely
reversing.
It
was
a
different
option.
That's
not
what
fortune
without
recommendation
means.
What
I
do
think
is
that
we
can
be
optimists.
We
have
many
many
ways
to
find
a
win-win
here
that
goes
beyond
a
constrained
sort
of
framework.
We
should
have
an
expanded
framework
if
it's
important
to
do
for
this
community.
H
Let's
put
all
our
resources
on
the
table,
all
the
options
on
the
table
and
have
direction
to
accommodate
that
from
basically
our
experts
in
economic
development
CPD,
the
appropriate
people
could
really
deliver
on
this,
and
then
we
as
a
supportive
council
can
push
that,
along
as
a
priority
and
I'm
very,
very
optimistic.
We
can
find
that
place
and
set
that
direction
and
set
that
course
Thank
You.
Mr.
chair
for
having
this
council
member
condos
work
has
been
pretty
extraordinary,
and
the
community's
out
late
on
in
discussion
has
been
pretty
impressive
as
well.
So
thank
you.
H
J
But
on
the
other
hand,
it
raises
construction
costs
by
so
much
and
we
would
have
to
reimburse
the
water
fund,
and
so
we
would
end
up
paying
three
to
four
times
what
that
land
is
worth
in
order
to
do
that
as
opposed
to
buying
maybe
more
land
somewhere
else.
So
I
I
would
almost
think
about
let's
over
the
next
three
days,
keep
a
pretty
open
mind
about
which
direction.
J
We're
gonna
go
with
this
because
the
you
know-
and
the
truth
is
that
an
urban
farming
operation
is
a
very,
very
challenging
thing
to
setup
and
to
make
the
math
work
under
the
best
circumstances.
And
if
we
over
pay
and
if.
But
if,
if
we
buy
your
two
little
land
for
way
too
much
money
to
start
with,
that,
doesn't
get
you
to
where
you
need
to
be,
and
so
let's
really
think
about
what
what
the
right
solution
is-
and
we've
got
a
few
days
to
try
to
figure
something
out.
J
A
Thank
you,
okay,
thank
you.
We
have
all
right.
Thank
you.
So
any
further
discussion
on
council
vice
president's
motion.
Okay,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye.
Those
against
that
motion
passes
and
I'll
like
to
thank
everybody.
That
came.
We
have
further
discussions
on
this
item
and
hopefully
we
will
come
to
a
resolution
on
Friday
and
having
concluded
our
business.
This
meeting
is
adjourned.
Thank
you
very
much.