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Description
Minneapolis Economic Development & Regulatory Services Committee Meeting
A
Welcome
to
the
regularly
scheduled
meeting
of
the
economic
development
and
regulatory
Services
Committee.
Our
committee
has
a
quorum
today
and
we've
been
joined
by
councilmembers,
Cano,
Fletcher,
Ellison
and
Cunningham,
which
is
a
quorum
of
the
committee.
We're
going
to
start
with
item
number
one,
which
is
one
of
two
public
hearings.
Mr.
Wilson.
B
This
location
is
twice
previously
been
a
rental
hall
in
his
own
by
Kedar
Auden,
and
he
is
the
100%
owner
and
manager
they
wish
to
serve
the
community
as
a
place
with
the
rental
hall.
Isis
doubled
served
the
community
as
a
place
to
hold
meetings,
weddings,
political
fundraisers
and
more
this
rental
hall
applications,
as
requires
that
we
hold
a
public
hearing.
Today
we
notified
all
residents
and
property
owners
within
300
feet
of
the
premises
of
today's
public
hearing.
We
also
notified
the
Midtown
Phillips
Neighborhood
Association
and
the
Lake
Street
Council.
B
We
received
two
responses
from
that
mailing
process.
One
was
in
support
from
the
Lake
Street
Council
and
one
was
opposed
yeah.
The
opposed
one
was
concerned
about
the
condition
of
the
landscaping
in
the
parking
lot
and
as
weather
permits
this
spring.
We
will
do
a
thorough
review
of
the
parking
lot
to
make
sure
that
they're
in
compliance
with
their
approved
site
plan
staff
recommendation,
is
that
the
application
be
approved
are.
A
There
any
questions
for
mr.
Wilson
on
item
number
one,
seeing
none
we'll
open
the
public
hearing
on
item
number,
one
which
is
a
license
application
for
the
judging
Event
Center.
Is
there
I,
don't
see
mr.
Cahn
here
I
know?
Is
there
anyone
here
to
speak
to
this
issue?
Anyone
anyone
seeing
none!
I'll,
move
approval
of
item
number
one
all
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
any
opposed.
That
item
has
been
approved
on
to
item
number
two.
Mr.
Wilson
thank.
B
You,
madam
chair,
our
next
application
is
by
the
canopy
restaurant
and
they
wish
to
extend
their
operating
hours
to
11:00
p.m.
Sunday
through
Thursday
until
2:00
a.m.
on
Friday
and
Saturday.
This
application
also
includes
an
application
for
a
place
of
entertainment
license
for
their
banquet
operation.
They
are
located
at
312,
West,
Lake
Street,
and
their
current
authorized
hours
of
operation
are
from
6
a.m.
until
10:00
p.m.
in
Friday
and
Saturday.
Until
11
p.m.
B
they
will
operate
their
place
of
entertainment
with
extended
hours
using
licensed
private
security
companies
and
they
plan
to
feature
their
facility
for
weddings,
birthday
parties,
community
events,
etc.
Their
security
plan
was
reviewed
by
a
fifth
Precinct
commander
inspector
Kathy
wait
and
they
have
indicated
that
that
they
have
now
have
video
surveillance
cameras
in
their
facility.
A
public
hearing
is
required
for
this
extended
hours
license.
We
notified
all
residents
and
property
owners
within
300
feet
of
the
facility
and
also
notified
the
Whittier
Neighborhood
Association
and
the
Lake
Street
Council.
B
A
There
any
questions
for
mr.
Wilson
on
item
number
two
seeing
none
will
open
the
public
hearing
and
I'm
item
number
two,
which
is
an
extended
hours
license
for
the
kanae,
be
restaurant.
Is
there
anyone
here
to
speak
to
this
issue?
Please
step
forward
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record,
sir.
Oh.
A
C
C
A
A
A
F
F
The
inspector
conducted
re-inspection
for
unrelated
outstanding
orders
and
found
that
the
second
floor
was
still
being
used
as
a
bedroom.
This
resulted
in
a
written
notice
of
ordinance
code
violations.
Notices
were
sent
to
mr.
sellers,
stated
rental
contact,
brenton
hayden
at
60,
101
Baker
Road
in
Minnetonka,
in
September
of
2014,
in
a
reinfection
in
november
of
2014,
found
that
the
second
floor
was
still
being
used
as
a
bedroom.
F
The
notice
of
unlawful
occupancy
occupancy
was
sent
to
mr.
sizzler
and
the
property
was
pirated.
As
such,
Minneapolis
Code
of
Ordinances
244
1910,
our
licensing
standards
state
in
subdivision,
3
that
no
rental,
dwelling
or
rental
units
shall
be
over
occupied
or
illegally
occupied
in
violation
of
the
housing
maintance
code.
Minneapolis
Code
of
Ordinances
244
1940
further
requires
that
a
second
violation
of
subdivision
3
for
illegal
occupancy
initiates
the
rental
license
verification
process.
A
notice
of
revocation
was
sent
to
mr.
sizzler
at
5730,
Aldrich
Avenue,
north
and
Brooklyn
Center
on
September
5th
2017
and
mr.
F
Sadler
filed
an
appeal.
The
hearing
was
scheduled
for
December
18th,
2017
and
mr.
says
there
failed
to
appear
that
hearing
administrative
hearing
officer,
Fabian
Hafner
elected,
to
continue
the
hearing
to
a
later
date.
It
was
considered
continued
to
January
11th
2018,
where
mr.
solar
did
appear
after
taking
testimony
from
both
parties.
Mr.
F
Hoffner
recommended
the
revocation
of
the
license
now
also
note
that
the
owner
has
a
history
of
failing
to
appear
at
the
property
for
required
inspections,
and
there
are
also
still
a
number
of
outstanding
orders
from
the
initial
2014
inspection
for
repairs
in
the
kitchen
to
the
windows
to
an
exterior
door
and
a
lack
of
effort
required
Swain's
screens
at
the
property.
And
so
the
city
is
requesting,
revocation
of
the
license
and
I'm
happy
to
stand
for
any
questions
that
you
might
have
are.
A
There
any
questions
for
mr.
McGrew
no
on
his
report
or
anything
in
the
packet
that
we've
received,
seeing
none.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
report.
I'd
first
like
to
ask
if
mr.
Sessler
is
here
if
mr.
Sessler
or
any
of
his
representatives
are
okay.
Mr.
fussy,
do
you
want
me
just
simply
to
open
and
close
the
public
hearing,
then.
G
A
I'll
open
the
public
hearing
on
item
number
three,
which
is
a
license
revocation
at
3546
Humboldt,
Avenue
North.
Is
there
anyone
here
to
speak
to
this
issue,
or
is
mr.
Cessna
or
his
representative
here
to
speak
to
this
issue
today?
Anyone
anyone
seeing
none
I'll,
close
the
public
hearing
and
call
on
councilmember
Cunningham
I.
A
Has
been
made
to
approve
the
staff
recommendation,
further
comments
or
questions,
seeing
none
all
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
all
right.
Any
opposed.
That
item
is
approved.
Thank
you
for
being
here
today,
we'll
move
then
on
to
our
consent,
agenda,
which
are
items
for
which
are
the
regular
liquor,
business
and
gambling
licenses
as
well
as
item
number
five,
which
are
a
number
of
non
public
hearing
related
approvals
for
the
Canadian
restaurant
that
we
approved
in
item
number
two
prior
to
moving
approval
of
those
two
items.
A
I
I
We
also
had
a
neighborhood
hearing
on
this
issue
and
it
really
gave
a
positive
opportunity
for
neighbors
to
come
and
neighboring
business
owners
to
come
and
really
directly
address
the
business
operator
and
ask
for
things
that
have
been
causing
them
stress,
with
the
help
of
their
business
consultant.
Jerry,
wolf,
I'm,
I'm,
proud
to
say
that
we've
been
able
to
get
them
to
agree
to
a
new
business
plan.
It
helps
with
some
of
these
nuisance
issues.
It
helps
with
minimizing
some
disturbances,
some
signage
and
reminders,
and
issues
about
animals
and
pet
waste.
I
So
business
plans
are
enforceable
under
city
ordinances
and
their
plans
do
not
mean
changing
into
an
expanded
menu,
happy
hours
or
a
full
service
restaurant,
so
I'm,
confident
that
that
was
a
productive
conversation
and
I
I
wanted
to
just
share
with
you.
Some
of
that
really
good
neighborhood
process
that
was
put
in
place
under
this
specific
restaurants,
this
application
today.
Thank
you
thank.
A
Council
members
generally
decide
with
staff
on
their
own,
not
with
my
guidance
where
they'd
like
to
have
the
neighborhood,
where
they'd
like
to
have
the
public
hearing,
councilmember
Palmisano
determined
to
have
that
in
the
neighborhood,
probably
at
night,
I
would
guess
and
I
think
that
was
a
very
good
outcome
rather
than
having
everyone
come
down
today.
So
I
want
to
thank
you
for
that
work
and
for
getting
us
to
this
point.
I'm
going
to
move
the
consent
agenda
then,
which
are
items
four
and
five.
A
D
J
Madam
chair
members
of
the
committee
I'm
Kevin
Carroll
I
work
in
the
business
development
division
of
C
ped
I
have
a
staff
report
here
for
you
today
regarding
the
approval
and
acceptance
of
the
grants
that
were
awarded
by
our
three
local
brownfield
grant
ORS
in
the
fall
2017
grant
round
that
grant
round
had
a
November,
1
application
deadline.
The
grantors
made
their
decisions
in
the
late
december
to
mid-january
range.
All
of
these
grants
require
a
formal
action
by
the
city
council
to
accept
and
approve
the
grants.
J
J
No,
but
most
of
them
did
it
was
a
highly
competitive
grant
round.
All
these
grant
programs
are
grossly
oversubscribed
in
every
round.
A
little
bit
of
background
brownfield
is
kind
of
a
term
of
art.
The
EPA
defines
a
brownfield
as
a
site
that
is
either
known
to
be
contaminated
or
suspected
of
being
contaminated.
Three
local
grant
ORS
develop
their
programs,
starting
in
the
probably
the
mid,
1990s
and
I
think
the
most
recent
one
was
the
Hennepin
County
er
program,
which
I
think
was
started
maybe
around
in
the
early
2000s.
J
The
state
of
Minnesota
program
is
as
administered
by
deed,
the
Department
of
Employment
and
economic
development.
He
met
councils
grant
programs
called
the
tax
based
revitalization
account.
Hennepin
County's
program
is
called
the
Environmental
Response
Fund
years
ago.
They
coordinated
the
grant
program,
so
they
have
the
same
application
deadlines.
They
have
two
rounds
per
year.
They
have
one
round
of
applications
in
May
1
and
the
other
round
has
applications
due
in
November
1
they're
called
the
spring
and
fall
grant
rounds.
This
was
the
fall
round.
J
All
the
grantors
require
that
the
applications
actually
come
from
another
governmental
entity.
If
you're
a
developer
or
property
owner
in
most
cases,
you
can't
apply
directly
for
these
funds,
so
our
process
involves
them,
giving
pre
applications
to
us
that,
let
us
know
what
the
project
is
going
to
be
they'll.
Let
us
know
how
much
money
they
want
to
ask
for
and
who
they're
going
to
ask
that
money
for
from
then
we
review
them.
We
make
recommendations
to
the
council
in
this
particular
round.
We
did
that
I
think
back
and
probably
October.
J
We
have
to
do
that
because,
when
the
applications
going
on
November
1,
they
have
to
be
accompanied
by
a
City
Council
resolution
of
support.
All
of
these
Grand
Tours
want
to
know
that
the
city
in
which
the
property
is
located
supports
the
decision
to
seek
grant
funding
the
grant
words
then
review
the
applications
they
each
have
their
own
scoring
and
ranking
criteria.
J
They
decide
which
projects
to
award
grants
to
Mid
City
Minneapolis
projects
are
eligible
under
all
these
programs,
but
there
are
limitations
in
some
cases
and
the
amount
of
grant
funding
we
can
get,
which
is
part
of
the
reason
some
projects
don't
get
funded.
For
example,
the
Met
Council's
program
has
a
statutory
limitation
that
no
city
and
get
more
than
50%
of
the
available
funding
in
this
round.
I
think
eight
of
the
nine
city
projects
that
submitted
applications
got
met.
J
Don't
recall,
frankly,
I
can
check
on
that
get
back
you.
The
other
reasons
we
don't
get
grant
sometimes
is
because
deed,
for
example,
is
a
statewide
program.
They
have
a
statutory
requirement
that
35
percent
of
the
available
grant
funding
go
to
Greater
Minnesota
projects.
If
they
get
enough
applications,
if
they
don't,
they
can
award
more
money
to
metro
area.
Plication,
x',
Hennepin
County.
Similarly
has
a
rough
rule
of
thumb.
J
They
try
to
award
50%
of
the
available
funding
to
suburban
applications,
50%
to
Minneapolis
applications
again
if
they
get
enough
applications,
if
they
don't
get
enough
applications
from
the
suburbs
and
they
can
award
more
money
of
Minneapolis
projects.
So
there
are
these
ceilings
on
how
much
money
we
can
get.
We
did
get
a
total
of
3.5
million
dollars
in
this
grant
round.
Between
this
grant
round
and
the
spring
2017
round.
We
had
a
total
of
about
8.5
million
dollars
in
grant
funding
from
Minneapolis
projects.
That's
pretty
consistent.
J
Over
the
last
couple
of
years,
we've
averaged
somewhere
between
eight
and
nine
million
dollars
a
year
in
grant
funding.
We've
built
that
up
from
10
or
15
years
ago,
we
were
getting
probably
three
to
four
million
dollars
a
year,
so
we
made
some
process
improvements
over
time
and
we've
been
more
aggressive
about
marketing
the
availability
of
the
funding
to
on
developers,
we've
held
informational
meetings
done
outreach,
etc.
So
we
often
submit
many
more
applications
to
the
Grand
Tours
and
they
have
funding
for,
but
part
of
the
reason
we
do.
J
That
is
because,
in
many
cases,
whatever
amount
of
money,
they
start
out
saying
they
have
available.
In
the
end,
they
sometimes
have
more
money
available,
because
some
of
the
other
grant
programs
are
undersubscribed,
they
don't
get
enough
applications,
so
they
then
shift
money
back
into
the
brownfield
grant.
Programs
I've
had
the
good
fortune
to
do
this
work
for
the
city
since
early
2007
and
during
that
span
of
time
we've
had
about
89
million
dollars
worth
of
brown
for
grant
funding.
J
It's
something
that
kind
of
flies
below
the
radar.
A
lot
of
people
don't
pay
much
attention
to
it,
but
it
is
critically
important.
Most
lenders
will
not
provide
construction
or
permanent
financing
on
a
contaminated
site
and
they
also
won't
loan
money
to
clean
up
a
contaminated
site.
So
many
these
projects
depend
very
heavily
on
grant
funding
to
get
the
site
investigated
and
then
cleaned
up.
So
the
property
is
eligible
for
construction
financing.
So
it's
we
leverage
the
brownfield
grant
funding
and
many
of
these
projects
are.
J
J
There
are
vapors
that
sometimes
come
up
through
the
soil
from
offsite
sources,
so
the
money
can
be
used
for
the
installation
of
vapor
barriers
to
protect
the
owners
and
inhabitants
of
those
buildings.
Also,
many
Minneapolis
older
buildings
are
redeveloped
and
many
of
them
have
asbestos
and
led-based
paint
in
them.
So
the
money
can
be
used
to
investigate
those
contaminants
and
to
use
the
money
to
clean
them
up.
So.
A
A
I
used
to
think
we
should
make
sure
that
projects
that
our
priorities
of
the
city
get
funded
by
ranking
them,
and
then
we
were
told
you
can't
rank
them
and
so
I
kind
of
shut
up
on
that,
because
we
couldn't
rank
them
and
we
kind
of
rolled
the
dice
to
see
the
projects
that
were
priorities
of
the
city
got
funded
and
many
of
the
times
they
did,
and
sometimes
they
didn't
now.
My
thinking
is
why
would
we
agree
to
put
a
project
on
this
list
if
it
doesn't
directly
achieve
city
goals?
For
example?
A
Why
would
we
have
a
project
on
the
list
to
get
public
funds
that
has
no
affordable
housing
in
it?
If
it
was
a
housing
project,
I,
don't
know
why
we
would
do
that.
Would
they
just
go
to
if
we
said
no
to
a
zine
alley,
which
is
70
luxury
condos
in
a
hotel?
They
just
go
to
Hennepin
County
and
have
them
be
the
Grand
Tour
I
mean
or
would
we
then
they
would
not
apply
for
the
money
and
other
more
worthy
projects
that
had
affordable
housing
and
them
would
get
funded
well.
J
J
Could
certainly
discuss
that
all
the
Grand
Tours
give
priority
to
affordable
housing
projects.
If
you
have
a
market
rate
project,
that's
competing
against
an
affordable
housing
project,
all
of
the
things
being
equal,
the
affordable
housing
project
will
be
scored
higher
the
Grand
Tours,
don't
eliminate
market
rate
projects
from
consideration
I'm
part
of
it.
Our
thinking
is
that
even
a
purely
market
rate
project
creates
new
market
value,
new
tax
value,
which
generates
revenue
for
the
city
of
Minneapolis
for
the
state
of
Minnesota
for
the
Met
Council,
so
they
see
value
to
those
projects.
J
In
addition,
many
of
the
projects
that
that
don't
have
affordable
components
still
have
other
interesting
aspects
to
them:
maybe
they're
on
a
transit
oriented
corridor,
they're,
providing
housing
for
people
that
can
get
in
and
out
of
town
on
the
light
rail
instead
of
driving
their
cars,
so
they
have
ranking
in
scoring
systems
and
I
think
in
virtually
every
round
at
least
some
projects
that
have
no
affordable
housing
get
funded,
and
if
you
as
a
council,
decide
that
you
don't
want
us
to
submit
applications
for
a
project
that
has
no
affordable
housing.
Obviously
we
won't.
J
We
won't
do
it,
we've
done
it
in
the
past,
because
you
know
we've
looked
at
these
projects
and
we've
considered
them
eligible
for
funding.
They
meet
the
Grand
Tours
requirements,
and
our
thinking
is
that
for
every
market
rate
project
we
take
out
of
the
running.
It's
less
grant
money.
That's
coming
to
the
city
of
Minneapolis
to
help
build
up
the
tax
base.
K
So
it's
it's
interesting
to
hear
that
there's
a
scoring
process
anyway,
so
that
the
projects
get
scored
by
the
three
granting
agencies.
Do
you
think
that
means
that
the
one
that
didn't
get
funded
this
time
didn't
have
affordable
housing
or
wasn't
I
mean
I,
guess
I'm,
curious
about
or
I
would
be
concerned.
If
it
looked
like
a
project
that
the
City
Council
would
say,
this
is
a
higher
priority
for
us.
We
want
to
make
sure
this
gets
funded,
got
bumped
out
of
the
way
for
something
that
we
said.
K
K
J
K
Do
you
think
it
then
I'll,
ask
this
other
question
and
it's
pretty
much
subjective,
but
if
we
made
somehow
at
a
requirement
for
to
do
something
meet
some
criteria
for
of
our
some
added
additional
criteria
just
to
get
on
the
list,
do
you
think
that
would
have
any
impact
for
these
projects?
For
example,
if
we
said
we
to
get
on
our
list,
you
need
to
have
at
least
some
affordability
or
you
need
to
at
least
have
some
job
creation
potential
here.
Do
you
think
people
would
add
those
into
their
projects
hard.
J
To
say
it
kind
of
depends
on
how
how
critical
the
brownfield
grant
funding
is
to
them.
Some
projects
say
this
project
is
not
going
to
happen
without
it
other
projects
too
say
the
project
might
happen
where
we're
going
to
have
to
scale
back
on
other
things.
It
would
be
attractive
elements
that
the
city
might
want
in
order
to
make
up
for
the
loss
of
the
brownfield
grant
funding
and
some
projects
would
prefer
they
get
the
money,
but
the
the
projects
are
gonna
go
go
ahead
anyway.
J
Frankly,
I
do
see
that
from
time
to
time
there
are
some
projects
that
don't
get
any
funding
and
they
figure
out
a
way
to
make
it
work.
So
I
think
there
may
be
some
projects
that
do
that,
and
we
do
have
the
right.
You
have
the
right
to
impose
requirements
on
these
projects,
for
example
the
staff
level.
A
number
of
years
ago
we
were
occasionally
sending
projects
to
the
Grand
Tours
that
we
thought
were
ready
for
funding
and
they
ended
up
not
being
ready.
J
So
we
adopted
a
staff
form
called
a
grant
assessment
worksheet,
and
we
require
people
to
do
that.
We've
done
it
for
years,
we've
broken
down
project
readiness
criteria,
you
know:
do
they
own
the
site
outright?
If
not,
do
they
have
a
signed
purchase
agreement?
That's
a
prerequisite.
If
someone
comes
to
us
and
says
we
have
a
letter
of
intent
or
we're
interested
in
possibly
buying
this
property,
we
tell
them
that's
not
eligible.
We
won't
even
submit
it
to
you
for
consideration,
because
the
grantor
is
will
not
award
a
grant
to
a
property
like
that.
J
So
we
set
criteria.
We
look
at
financing,
we
look
at
neighborhood
engagement.
We
always
encourage
them
to
go
to
the
councilmember
for
the
affected
Ward
and
talk
about
the
project
so
that
you
don't
hear
about
it.
For
the
first
time,
when
I'm
standing
up
here
telling
you
about
it,
we
look
at
the
status
of
the
land
use
approval,
so
they
applied
for
land
use
approvals
if
they've
applied,
but
they
haven't
been
awarded
yet
or
approve.
D
K
Guess
I'm
interested
in
that,
and
it
would
be
interesting
to
see
what
your
recommendations
would
be.
I
don't
know
if
I'm
saying
that
I'm
ready
to
say
I
don't
want
to
see
them,
but
it
might
be
interesting
to
review
kind
of
how
they
scored
or
the
criteria
would
hear
more
about
that.
As
we
made
the
decisions,
I
did.
A
So
two
projects
that
are
luxury
rental
got
funded
and
that
one
didn't
so
there
was
an
outcome.
Maybe
it
was
only
on
one
project,
but
it
there
was
an
outcome
where
affordable
housing
didn't
get
the
money
they
needed
and
market
rate
housing
did
I,
do
think,
and
I'm
gonna,
let
councilmember
Cunningham's
because
well
I,
don't
think
we're
prepared
to
make
decision
from
the
Dyess
I
think
it's
something
worth
discussing
with
staff,
and
you
know
just
to
have
a
more
we're.
Gonna
accept
these
grants.
A
Obviously
we're
not
going
to
say
we
don't
want
the
money,
but
I
do
think
it's
something
worth
looking
at.
As
we
look
at
every
tool
in
our
toolbox
to
encourage
affordable
housing
development,
any
public
funding
going
out
should
meet
that
criteria.
That
governor's
got
a
taskforce
on
affordable
housing
that
everyone
is
talking
about,
affordable
housing
that
might
be
a
screen
not
likely
for
economic
development
projects.
I
would
argue
the
innovation
district
project
that
John
Wall
is
doing.
We
don't
know
what
that's
even
going
to
be.
A
A
E
Thanks
very
much
I
think
it's
worth
thinking
in
terms
of
our
staff
processes,
as
we
start
to
look
at
this.
So
what
extent
are
we
identifying
the
projects
in
our
conversations
about
this
internally
as
we're
thinking
about
these
projects
where
we've
applied
for
public
funding
or
where
we've
attempted
to
access
public
funding
for
them?
E
I
think
many
of
us
I
think
our
constituents
expect
us
as
stewards
of
public
money
to
hold
that
money
accountable
to
supporting,
affordable
housing
is
one
of
them
major
criteria
that
we're
looking
at
and
I
think
in
a
lot
of
the
projects.
I'm
realizing
as
they've
been
presented
to
us
I'm,
not
necessarily
sure
that
I
would
know
just
in
the
way
that
the
conversations
happening
with
staff
today,
whether
we've
applied
for
funding,
there's
a
lot
of
different
lists
of
a
lot
of
different
resolutions
that
we've
passed
for
a
bunch
of
different
funding
sources.
E
J
A
G
A
I
know
that
he's
never
said,
no
we're
not
doing
it
your
way
or
the
committee's
way,
and
that's
exactly
what
you're
saying
here
today
I
think
what
we're
saying
is
we'd
like
to
look
at
that,
and
we
hope
you
would.
You
know,
join
us
and
wanting
to
look
at
that
and
seeing
if
we
can
just
do
the
process
a
little
bit
better
I.
Am
you
get
what
you
get
without
policy
direction
to
say
we
don't
want
to
do
this.
A
Your
job
is
to
get
as
much
money
for
projects
in
the
city
as
possible,
and
you've
been
tremendously
successful
at
that.
Since
you
took
over
this
program,
so
we'd
like
to
work
with
you,
we'll
figure
we're
gonna,
we're
gonna,
accept
these
grants
and
try
this
in
the
next
round.
Maybe
we
try
it
for
two
rounds
and
see
what
happens
if
we're
just
leaving
a
lot
of
money
on
the
table,
we
might
want
to
rethink
it.
So
I
don't
want
that
to
happen.
I
certainly
don't
want
to
be
in
a
situation
where
we're
eligible.
A
We
don't
submit
any
market
rate
projects
and
we
end
up
getting
a
million
dollars.
I,
just
don't
want
the
affordable
ones
to
it,
funded
over
market
rate
projects,
because
someone
can
go
lobby
deed
or
the
Met
Council.
They
have
more
resources.
Although
these
affordable
housing
developers
are
pretty
good
lobbyists
themselves,
but
it
does
seem
to
me
that
we
would
want
to
have
more
as
much
money
going
into
the
projects
that
are
living
wage,
job
creation
and
affordable
housing
than
anything
else.
Something.
J
I
will
promise
you
that
I
will
do
because
I'm
curious
about
it
now
is
to
go
back
a
couple
rounds
and
just
see
have
there
been
any
projects
with
affordable
housing
that
did
not
get
any
grant
funding.
The
hook-and-ladder
project
was
in
her
prior
round
and
I
think
got
at
least
two
grants
and
they
got
a
substantial
amount
of
the
funding
that
they
needed.
J
They
got
into
this
additional
round
because
they
had
a
little
bit
of
a
shortfall
because
I
think
one
of
the
grants
they
applied
for
they
didn't
get
so
they're
taking
a
second
run
at
it.
So
I
I
would
be
surprised
that
there
are
very
many
affordable
housing
projects
that
did
not
get
at
least
some
funding,
but
I
think
that's
information
that
you
probably
want
to
know
and
frankly,
I
want
to
know
it
too,
and.
A
We
probably
also
want
to
know
if
we
say
we're
not
going
to
fund
your
project
because
you
don't
have
affordable
housing
in
it.
If
that
would
gain
the
support
of
developers,
adding
even
five
units
in
order
to
apply
for
the
grants
I
mean,
would
it
move
the
dial
at
all
we're
not
saying
they
have
to
put
20%
in
we're
saying?
Can
you
put
in
five
units?
Can
you
take
six
section
eight
units?
A
Can
you
do
something
in
order
to
be
eligible
for
sources
of
public
funding,
so
it
there
might
be
some
it's
a
it's
a
persuasion
approach
more
than
anything
else,
rather
than
a
mandate.
I
don't
want
to
set
up
a
mandate,
but
I
do
want
to
try
to
get
them
to
see
this
contribution
as
something
that
we
would
like
to
get
something
back
for
in
the
term
of
meeting
the
city's
housing
goals
for.
J
What
it's
worth
they're
already
doing,
that
to
a
large
extent,
because
of
the
grant
for
scoring
I
mean
I've,
seen
some
projects
come
in
and
give
us
a
pre-application
with
all
market
rate
units
and
as
I
talk
with
them
about
how
projects
are
ranked
and
scored,
and
they
know
they
get
extra
points
for
affordable
housing.
Then
they
come
back
and
suddenly
they
got
20%,
affordable,
the
30%
so
they're
doing
it
in
response
to
what
the
grantors
do,
but
that
doesn't
mean
they
couldn't
also
do
it
in
response
to
what
we
do.
We've.
A
Never
seen
a
project
where
they've
come
in
and
said
we're
doing
a
market
rate
project
now
we're
gonna
do
affordable
because
the
problem
we
have
in
the
city
from
where
I
sit
is
that
it's
all
one
or
the
other,
it's
100
percent
affordable.
So
it's
a
concentrate
of
poverty
in
some
locations,
even
though
it's
building
or
new
construction
or
it's
all
market
rate
and
I,
think
what
most
of
us
would
say-
and
there
would
be
agreement
on-
is
that
we
want
to
see
mixed
income
housing.
A
So
we
want
to
go
back
to
the
time
when
5
10,
15,
20
percent,
are
actually
affordable
mixed
throughout
a
project
and
I've
know
it's
rare.
The
project
that
just
adds
20
percent
I
have
a
couple
in
my
ward.
They
were
done
long
ago,
so
I'm
hoping
that
we
can
maybe
use
the
leverage
we
have
in
this
process
to
encourage
a
little
give
here
and
there
for
half
a
million
dollars.
You
think
that
they
could
add
five
units.
A
L
You,
madam
chair
I,
wanted
to
get
some
clarity
on
the
city's
ability
to
rank
these
projects.
I
know
the
through
conversations
with
councilmember
Goodman
that
our
previous
opinion
has
been
that
grantees,
don't
care
about
our
rankings
and
and
don't
want
to
hear
them,
but
since
affordable
housing
has
been
sort
of
the
priority,
at
least
in
this
last
election
cycle.
L
You
know
you
know
in
quoting
the
mayor,
we've
lost
what
was
it
ten
thousand
affordable
units
in
the
last
ten
years,
I
can't
help
but
notice,
but
that
kind
of
matches
up
with
you
know
your
timeline
like
not
that
I'm
blaming
anything
on
you,
but
like
I'm,
listening
that
number
of
eighty
nine
million
dollars
in
the
last
ten
years
and
thinking
okay,
how
much
you
know
maybe
cycle
by
cycle?
It's
not
large
sum
of
money,
but
over
the
long,
long
haul.
L
J
J
I
was
involved
in
and
at
that
time
we
did,
there
was
a
separate
form
that
we
use,
which
is
kind
of
like
our
current
grant
assessment
worksheet,
and
we
gathered
information
about
the
projects
and
we
there
was
a
staff
committee
that
spent
a
lot
of
time
looking
at
them
and
and
ranking
them,
and
then
we
gave
the
grant
orders
those
rankings-
and
that
was
one
of
the
first
questions
I
asked
to
the
grant-
was
because
I
just
didn't
know.
I
said:
what
do
you
do
with
these
rankings
and
all
three
of
them
said
nothing.
J
You
know
we
glanced
at
and
we
said
on
the
side
that
it
has
no
impact
on
what
we
do
and
I
said.
Well.
Why
is
that?
Why
don't
you
care?
You
know
what
the
city
of
Minneapolis
wants
and
they
say.
Well,
we
care
our
view.
Is
that
when
you
make
the
sort
of
binary
toggle
switch
decision
to
submit
it
or
not
submitted,
if
you
submit
it
to
us,
you're
saying
that
you're
prepared
to
have
us
fund
it?
And
if
you
don't
want
us
to
fund
it,
then
don't
submit
it
to
us.
J
So
I
made
the
recommendation
to
the
council
in
this
committee.
I
think
at
the
time
to
dispense
with
the
ranking,
because
we're
spending
a
lot
of
time
on
it
and
it
wasn't
accomplishing
anything,
and
you
know
in
fairness
to
the
Grand
Tours,
they
say
it's
our
money.
We
have
the
right
to
decide.
You
know
who
are
going
to
award
it
to
you
in
the
criteria
we're
going
to
use
to
make
those
decisions,
and
you
don't
want
to
argue
with
them,
because
they've
got
the
money
so
that
that's
why
we
stopped
doing
it.
J
J
You
know
that's,
certainly
your
prerogative
and
you're
gonna
have
a
chance
to
do
that
sooner
rather
than
later,
because
March
9
is
the
free
application
deadline
for
this
year's
spring
round
and
I'll
be
back
in
front
of
you
on
April
17th,
with
staff
recommendations
regarding
that
round.
So
that
would
be
your
first
opportunity
to
do
that
if
you
want
to
do
that
and
I'll
do
my
best
to
incorporate
your
guidance
into
the
process
that
occurs
from
now
until
April,
17
or
when
the
staff
report
is
written,
which
is
you
know
mid-march.
J
K
So
I
actually
do
have
anything
more
appetite
than
the
committee
chair
for
some
kind
of
required:
affordable
housing,
some
kind
of
inclusionary
zoning.
This
a
little
bit
is
touching
that
calling
the
question
on
that,
but
it
also
occurred
to
me
that
it
might
be
worth
exploring
if
we
had
the
legal
authority
to
just
blatantly
say
he.
K
If
you
take
any
public
money,
then
you're
going
to
be
required
to
do
these
few
things
and
I
think
that
might
change
the
dynamic
a
little
to
think
about
somebody
taking
public
money,
whether
or
not
it's
from
the
city
or
elsewhere.
Okay,
now
you
just
the
levers
just
been
switched
and
you've
just
then
made
this
commitment
to
comply
with
some
other
requirements
of
ours,
including
perhaps
a
certain
percentage
of
affordable
housing
based
on
how
many
units
you're
building
or
something
I,
think
that's
an
intriguing
concept
that
I'm
going
to
meditate
on
yeah.
A
I
don't
mind
saying
that
you
to
be
on
a
list.
You
have
to
have
affordable
housing
I,
just
don't
think
from
the
Daiya
say
how
much
with
what
exception?
Under
what
circumstances,
because
we
haven't
had
an
opportunity
to
talk
and
any
kind
of
workgroup
with
staff
about
it.
I
was
ready
to
do
that
three
years
ago.
So
I
mean
I.
A
Think
it's
outrageous
that
any
public
money
would
go
into
a
project
and
there
would
be
nothing
required
in
return
other
than
building
on
a
surface
parking
lot,
which
I
think
it's
good,
but
I
still
think
we
should
be
requiring
something
so
I
don't
object
to
that.
I.
Just
don't
think
we
could
sit
up
here
right
now
and
formulate
what
the
requirement
would
be
and
so
I
think.
The
best
thing
to
do
after
councilmember
Fletcher
speaks
is
just
to
give
a
staff
direction
to
give
us
a
sense
of
what
this,
how
how
would
Kevin
formulate
this.
A
E
Just
a
brief
comment
and
then
a
question,
so
you
mentioned
that
it
hasn't
happened,
often
to
have
something
start
off
as
market
and
then
get
some
affordable.
So
I
just
want
to
give
credit
where
it's
due
there,
Marcie
Holmes
did
manage
to
apply
a
little
bit
of
pressure
and
get
the
pillsbury
Research
Center
you
Kelly
Dorian's
project
over
there
to
include
I,
think
10,
affordable
units,
so
so
that's
an
example
of
at
least
some
some
current
momentum
in
that
direction.
That
I
hope
we
can
build
on.
E
My
question
is:
is
there
a
consequence
for
the
city
or
what
do
you
think
the
consequence
is
of
if
we
don't
provide
this
funding
and
if
we
don't
provide
this
encouragement?
My
assumption
is
that
what
will
happen
is
that
brownfield
cleanup
will
start
to
get
taken
out
of
sale
prices
in
the
negotiate
in
the
private
negotiations
between
market
rate
developers
and
landowners
right
which
we
could
result
in
a
lower
sale
price.
Does
that
deflate
property
values
in
some
meaningful
way-
and
you
know
from
your
business
development
perspective-
does
that
have
I.
J
Can't
rule
that
out
as
you've
seen
most
of
the
projects
that
come
through
here
lately
have
been
housing
projects
and
are
not
in
the
housing
division.
You
might
want
to
seek
some
input
from
some
of
our
housing.
Folks
on
that,
I
can
say
I
think
more
in
terms
of
how
it's
going
to
impact
the
brownfield
grant
program
as
a
whole,
because
you
know
I've
had
conversations
with
Grand
Tours
about
this,
and
some
cities
have
gotten
more
restrictive
in
various
ways.
St.
J
Paul
is
a
good
example:
they've
layered
a
lot
of
city
requirements
on
some
of
their
brownfield
grants
and,
as
a
result,
I
think
there's
$100,000
threshold.
If
you
get
that
much
funding
or
more
and
there's
a
whole
raft
of
City
requirements
that
are
imposed
on
that,
and
because
of
that,
a
number
of
grant
cars
have
either
not
applied
for
funding
at
all
or
they've
dropped.
J
Their
request
down
to
you
know
ninety
nine
thousand
nine
hundred
dollars
and
the
Grand
Tours
are
unhappy
about
that,
because
they've
got
to
go
back
to
the
legislature
periodically
to
get
these
programs
refunded
and
they've
said.
The
best
way
to
continue
to
get
money
for
your
projects
is
to
have
the
greatest
number
of
applications
come
in.
You
give
us
the
opportunity
to
award
the
greatest
amount
of
money,
so
we
can
document
the
continuing
demand
for
these
funds,
so
we
don't
have
to
fight
to
preserve
them.
J
J
J
A
I'm
gonna
take
a
shot
at
this
I'm,
going
to
move
approval
of
the
staff
recommendation
to
accept
item
six
parts.
One
two
and
three
and
I'll
take
a
vote
on
that
all
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed.
That
item
is
approved
and
then
I'll
also
ask
staff,
I,
guess:
you'd
call
it
a
staff
direction
too
to
think
through
with
our
housing
staff.
But
these
are
not
only
housing
projects.
A
How
could
we
encourage
more
affordable
housing
when
public
funding
is
being
used
through
either
a
mandate
that
they
have
to
have
something
in
order
to
apply
and
what
kinds
of
exceptions
would
be
allowed
just
come
up
with
something
that
we
can
discuss
and
talk
about
and
I
would
then
urge
members
of
the
committee
if
you
have
feedback
or
a
point
of
view,
to
reach
out
to
mr.
Carroll,
who
like
responds
in
two
minutes
to
anyone
who
contacts
them
so
I
would
urge
folks
just
a
touch
base
with
mr.
A
K
J
Part
of
the
challenge
is
about
the
internal
deadline,
for
my
staff
report
for
the
spring
round
is
March
30
and
if,
in
fairness
to
the
developers
and
property
owners,
if
we're
going
to
consider
imposing
some
new
requirements,
you
know
it's
always
best
to.
Let
them
know
that
a
bit
in
advance.
They
could
take
that
into
consideration.
So
I'd.
K
J
That
would
give
us
more
time
to
work
on
it
and
fine-tune
it
and
get
specifics.
But
I'm
prepared
to
tell
people
in
the
meantime
is
that
this
committee
and
the
council
as
a
whole
always
has
the
discretion
to
decide
which
projects
to
allow
us
to
submit
and
not
submit
and
I
can
say
it's
quite
possible
that
this
committee
or
the
council
is
going
to
be
taking
a
closer
look
at
affordable
housing
requirements.
And
it
would
be
prudent
for
you
to
consider
incorporating
that
if
you
haven't
considered
doing
that
already
I
like.
A
That
council,
member
Gordon,
because
I
actually
think
we
should
take
a
little
bit
more
time
to
develop
how
we're
going
to
do
it.
But
let's
see
what
happens
when
mr.
Carroll
says
to
folks,
this
is
a
marker.
A
deal
you
might
not
get
on
the
list,
see
what
happens
and
then
get
a
sense
of
who
applies.
I
think
we
should
try
to
get
a.
A
We
don't
even
know
who's
applying
right
now,
so
I
do
think
we
should
kind
of
test
it
out
with
the
spring
round
right
in
front
of
us
and
work
towards
having
a
new
policy
for
the
Fall
around
just
I,
like
that
everyone
is
there
like
a
lot
of
unanimity
about
that?
Okay,
so
the
staff
recommendation,
as
as
we
discussed
thanks
Irene,
drew
all
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed.
That
item
is
approved,
seeing
for
their
further
business
before
us.
We
are
adjourned.
Thank.