City of Minneapolis, MN 2018 Minneapolis City Planning Commission, 21 May 2018

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Mineapolis City Planning Commission

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All right and I will call to order the May 21st meeting the Minneapolis City Planning Commission. My name is Matt Brown I serve as president of the Commission I this time, I'll ask that you silence any mobile devices and we can get started with our meeting I'm joined today by commissioners, Schrader, Sweezey, Coleman and Co Gil Rockwell as well. The signings of things first item business today is to approve the actions from the May 7th meeting. They have a motion to approve those actions, have a motion and a second all in favor.

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That motion carries our next item. Business is to sort through the agenda. You can find hard copies of the agenda in the hallway will determine which items we'll consider on consent and which will be discussed and which will be continued to another meeting. So starting at the top of the agenda item. One is the Minneapolis Convention Center, that is a vacation.

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Is there anyone wishing to speak in opposition to or modify the staff recommendation on item 1? Actually that will be continued indefinitely. So, if you're here for that, we'll consider that some other day item 2 is the cross Anderson block RLS of 501 and 523 South, 8th Street, 817 and 823 Fifth, Avenue, South and 816 of Portland Avenue. That is a registered land survey. Is anyone wishing to speak in opposition to or modify the staff recommendation on item 2? No one will put that on consent.

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Item 3 is at 43 22 through 43 24 Lyndale, Avenue South, an expansion of a non-conforming use. Is anyone wishing to speak in opposition to or modify the staff recommendation on item 3c? No one will put in 3 in consent. Item 4 is the kena Norm's cooler addition resubmission a 4801 Chicago Avenue, it's an amendment to a conditional use. Permit is anyone wishing to speak in opposition to or modify the staff recommendation on item 4c? No one will put an important cent item. 5 is at 2:08 Oliver Avenue self. That is a rezoning sin.

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Even wishing to speak in opposition to or modify the staff recommendation on, item 5c no 1 item 5 on consent item 6 is Freedom Works at 2900 Fremont Avenue, north 29 12, Fremont, Avenue, North, 29, 29, Emerson, Avenue, North, 2950, Emerson, Avenue, North, twenty nine, eleven and 29 15 and 29 17 Emerson Avenue North conditional use permit for a supportive housing facility.

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So anyone wishing to speak in opposition to or modify the staff recommendation on item six, no one will put item six on consent item 7 is lakeside self storage of 434 lakeside Avenue site plan review for a self storage facility. I know Commissioner loopy Peter wanted to discuss that item. So we'll discuss. Item seven item: H is Minneapolis impound facility of 50 DuPont Avenue, north and 100 herbing Avenue North. That application will be continued to the June 25th meeting.

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If anyone is here for that will consider it on June 25th item 9 is the Gray's food hall at 525 North 3rd Street conditional use permit, while several applications for a new commercial building at that location will discuss item 9. If anyone is here for that item, 10 is the apartment on Essex East at 26, 28 Essex, Street southeast several applications for a new multi-family building. That application will be continued to the June 11th meeting.

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If anyone is here for that item, 11 is the North Pointe expansion at 13, 19 and 1349 pana Avenue North, also 22 10, Plymouth Avenue North. Several applications for expansion of that facility will discuss item 11. If anyone is here for that.

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Item 12 is the Carmel square addition at twenty nine ten Pillsbury Avenue expansion of a non-conforming use. That item will be. Can you to the June 11th meeting as well, so we'll consider that that item 13 is the u-haul moving and storage at Hiawatha 42:25 and 42:51 Hiawatha Avenue. Several applications for a new self storage facility will discuss item 13. If anyone is here for that item, 14 is the 1717 Central Avenue apartments at 1717, Central Avenue in North East several applications for a new mixed-use building at that location.

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That item will also be continued to June 11th. If anyone is here for that will considered on June 11th, yes,.

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Correct on item 14 will not discuss that today. That's being continued at June 11th, so we'll consider it that yes moving.

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Item 15 is the Thrive and corporate office at 501 through 529 South sixth Street, and at 600 through 610 of Portland Avenue South, several applications for a new office.

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Building at that location is there anyone wishing to speak in opposition to or modify the staff recommendation on item 15, seeing no one will put item 15 on consent item 16 is the 12th read apartments at 228 South 12th Street, that is a site plan review for a new apartment building and that item will also be continued to the June 11th meeting, so we'll consider it at that time.

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So our agenda as amended, is as follows: items 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 15 will be on consent, we'll discuss item 7, 9, 11 and 13 item 1 will be continued indefinitely items 12, 14, 10, 12, 14 and 16 will be continued to June 11th and item 8 will be continued to June. 25Th Michener's may have a motion Commissioner cron, sir.

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If you'd like to discuss item 6, we can it's it's my understanding that the applicant had some concerns with one of the conditions, but it's agreed to that condition of approval, so that was okay with that we met consent.

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So I may have a motion to approve the agenda as amended.

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With a motion, is there a second if a motion and a second all in favor and that motion carries next, we will consider our committee the whole consent agenda. Vice president Liu peep here, would you like to give us an update from the May 10th Committee of the Whole meeting.

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If now I can just read through which would you like to give us an update from committee of the whole? Otherwise I can do that. Okay at the Committee of the Whole meeting on May 10th. Actually, we considered a number of items: land sales at 26, 30, South, 8th Street, 513, 19th, Avenue, south 3201, Bryant Avenue, North, 14:05, 16th, Avenue, North, 2806, Park, Avenue South.

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We also considered a location and Design Review for the office building and public service center for the city. Also, the 44th and Penn Avenue north redevelopment plan found that all of those items were consistent with the Minneapolis plan. I have a motion to approve the Committee of the Whole consent agenda.

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We have a motion and a second all in favor and that motion carries committee of the whole consent agenda is approved. Moving along, they have a motion to continue item one indefinitely.

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If a motion and a second all in favor that motion carries next may I have a motion to continue items: 10, 12, 14 and 16 to the June 11th meeting a motion and a second all in favor. Finally, may I have a motion to continue item 8 to the June 25th meeting.

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They have a motion and a second all in favor, and that motion carries next we'll move on to our public hearings and time I'll open the public hearing for the items on the consent agenda. Again, that's items two three, four, five, six and fifteen one last cause anyone here for any of those items.

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Seeing no one I'll close the public hearing and commissioners may have a motion to approve the consent agenda.

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We have a motion and a second all in favor, and that motion carries next. We'll move on to our four items for discussion. We'll start with item seven.

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And Commissioner Lukey, pier I, understand you had some questions about the treatment of the blank walls on this project. I, don't know if there's anything you wanted staff to focus on or any particular questions. Yeah.

C

I'm Peter I was had some concerns about that the blank wall, provision and and the way that they were addressing that through two different types of basically block and I, know that in the past and recent past we approved a self storage facility, yet Oak, Lake and seventh, where we required actual glazing at least to a depth that would allow some some sense of pedestrian scale and also lighting along the exterior perimeter.

C

So I was kind of wondering where the applicant was at with that, if they don't feel as though the felid meter new wall is appropriate, especially in this area ringing at the farmers market.

D

Sure yeah, so staff identified the same issue with the original proposal. We recommended a condition of approval that the applicant utilized and enhanced landscaping treatments along that south wall to further mitigate the blank wall, condition. There's a couple recent examples that I looked at with regard to blank wall issues.

D

Recently approved self storage facilities, one was along the river fronts at 17-17 West, River Road. In that case, we had a similar recommendation that the applicant implement enhanced landscaping to mitigate a blank wall, condition.

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D

Example that you're referring to is at 701 7th, Street north and we did have the project implement some glazing. I.

D

Took a little walk around the project in Google Maps, just to see how that worked out and I can actually probably call that up here.

D

Basically, the the implemented glazing.

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So you can kind of see.

D

First of all, the state is slightly different because it has a street frontage along three sides, and so the case that we're looking at tonight is has street frontage on the front of the block and on the rear of the block, so lakeside Avenue and Porter Avenue. The applicant has implemented some additional glazing, both in the new addition portion of the project and in the existing building.

D

So there they're working to meet that condition there and then the interior side lot line and faces another industrial industrially, zoned property and is not subject to the same window requirements as those facing the public street. In this case we did, it looks like have them implement some additional blazoning on the upper floors, but you can see that right behind. That is the actual storage facility.

D

So it's a true sort of false glazing condition and, while it does I think provides some additional sense of kind of a pedestrian scaled building and potentially some more characteristic use.

D

It doesn't actually function as a window and, given that this facade wasn't actually facing a public street or on-site pathway or surface parking lot, we didn't feel like that would be quite as effective, so open to hearing ideas from the applicant or from the Commission about potential ways of sort of further mitigating that blank wall condition. But staff felt that landscaping might be sufficient. So.

C

Peter, can you tell me how close is the South facade of this building to its the Jason neighbor.

D

You don't have the exact measure on the site plan, but I.

D

Believe it's about five feet. I'm gonna ask the applicant to confirm that for me, because I don't see it immediately available on the site plan.

D

Additionally, it's important to know that immediately behind those immediately behind that south wall is storage facilities, so there isn't like a circulation corridor there, which is what's happening on the front of the buildings you're. Actually looking into a space, that's potentially occupied by people.

C

Yeah I was looking at the elevation for it, though, and it it it's kind of having a rhythm. That's in the know, hinting that there may or may not be locked up when I mean whatever it was designed to look like it's it. It just looks like a I mean at that point. It might as well be solid, because that's not fooling anybody. You.

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C

Mean if that makes any sense, oh sure,.

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C

And I worry about like from a pedestrian experience walking to and from the farmers market, but I think it's probably five feet from the property line, but given the building next to it, you know my experience, you see, you know at least the front I, don't know yeah many feet. You know 20 feet of Redman team on the back to where you're getting the sense that it's a solid wall I'm, not saying that kind of feels inviting and is, if you would want to walk by so I, just had concerns that landscaping alone.

C

Walk hide the fact that this is a you know, immensely long, solid wall and and even something that hints at the fact that it might be more pedestrian scale and friendly things such as windows that we made the other storage place install even though they just you know, basically we're displaying Windows. At least it kind of gave a sense of more of a welcoming environment than up block wall. Mm-Hmm.

D

Yeah we've had a lot of experience with these types of projects recently and it is a real challenge to to meet the site plan review requirements. So I did let the applicant know that there was a concern about that and asked that. Maybe they think about potential other solutions. I know they're here tonight, so we could hear from them great.

C

Love hear from them and then also they give any indication about whether they're willing to put a front door actually facing the street and not just the party.

D

Yes, the the applicant did indicate that they are okay, with all other proposed conditions of approval on fantastic.

C

Thank you, mm-hmm all.

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Right and commissioners, are there any other questions of staff? Hearing none I'll open the public hearing on this item and the applicant is here we'd like to.

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Oh yes, please come to the microphone and state your name.

G

Good evening my name is todd Jones I'm at acres management, the applicant 809, six exhauster Boulevard Hopkins I'm here with Jake's team of Larkin Hoffman I'd like to thank you for reviewing our site plan application tonight. We do appreciate staffs recommendation for approval with conditions, and we do agree to those conditions of approval with respect to that South elevation.

G

We can talk about that. A little bit. Does this thing work here, yeah.

G

That's not the South elevation, but that's the front and, as Stepan indicated I mean we're putting a lot of resources into that front. Elevation of.

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The existing building.

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Lot of glass a lot of detail, we really thought that was an important elevation, so we kind of went all out on that and then on. The right side of the drawing is is.

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G

The the salt addition I'll call it, but specifically with the South elevation I, don't know if anybody can zoom in on that, if they can that'd be nice.

G

Heard the term a blank wall, but first of all, what's been proposed initially is the first three feet of this is a rock flake rock based block.

G

Now, on top of, that is a is a stone cap which introduces kind of a horizontal element. Okay, on top of the cap, the main base of the wall face buried, floss like here, it's called. It's called meat spice.

G

So we're trying to switch up the cereal and create some interest in this. The birth block normally provides a different, lighter color, but a different texture. In addition to visually break up the wall, we're providing every 25 feet a total of nine of these pilasters.

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They will project out, giving it more depth. You know, so the thought of just a long flat wall we're trying to break that up and I guess 25 feet, because that's what the ordinance states we need to do so we're we're trying to accommodate that there'll be Rock. Faced and again, we'll have we'll have stone caps. On top of that to help those pop out a little more.

G

Much of this site elevation, you know, will not have view from the public areas, because there is a industrial building, approximately 25 feet from from the south wall. This. What I call the South addition to the industrial wall so much of it, you know we're looking at it straight on the whole thing there there's presently. No, no, no view like that.

G

Now we get catch wind, that you know that someone had brought up interest about the South elevation and in the in the in the in the spirit of it all we were proposing to come forward of a few more things, so I got with my guys and I said well guys we heard there might be concern about the South elevation. You know there's blank wall concept. What can we do so?

G

First of all, we've added landscape along there, and that was the recommendation of staff and we it's a condition. We believe we agreed to do that. In addition, we added this 12-inch horizontal metal band across there and that kind of that that band and in that color ties in with what we've got going on the other elevations. Some of these horizontal bands and, in addition between all these columns, we've added some square elements, so two foot eight by two feet for eight different color, different texture, different block zones.

G

So so we've really have made an effort here to do everything we can to to address any concerns that this is a blank wall. In our opinion, there's an awful lot going on here. If you have there's other suggestions, we're all open, but there's.

B

A lot of detail going on here and.

G

Please understand: we've: we've we've come forward with our best effort to try to address concerns concerning.

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People here, yeah.

C

So um so I do appreciate the modifications in the cat matching then tablature and all that I'm, wondering though at 25 feet still is quite the view angle for people from north coming to in from the farmers market and I'm wondering, if maybe you would consider even just modifying the first Bay closest to the street, that first 25 foot section to have some glazing, whether real or not just to give it a sense of scale. That ties in to what you've done on the West facade is.

G

That off of the West elevation, mm-hmm.

C

Like to turn the corner of the southwest corner, just that first Bay.

G

So that would be.

C

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Element in this area here, yep.

C

That would be it.

G

Thank you thank.

A

You, okay, mister, are there any other questions of the applicant there? None we can see if there are any other speakers on this item is there anyone else would like to speak. So you know one.

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Close the public hearing, we just have the one application before us. The site plan review mr. Liu keep here some questions. Would you like to make a motion? Would.

C

I'd like to move approval of site plan, review for lakeside self storage at 434, lakeside Avenue, with an added condition that the applicant shall modify the westernmost Bay of the South elevation include a bank of windows and will work with staff to do so. All.

A

Right, we have a motion to approve the site plan review, with an eighth condition to modify the westernmost they and work. What's that do add windows, we have a second, sir, any further discussion hearing, none. We have a motion and a second clerk. Please call the roll.

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Coleman, I.

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I here I agree no I.

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All right, traitor.

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I squeezie I hate, zero.

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Motion carries. That concludes our discussion on item 7. Our next time for discussion is item 9 and staff.

H

Good evening, commissioners, the project before you is at 5:25 3rd Street north. The applicant has requested to discuss this project as they have concerns with one that continues. Conditions of approval, so I will just go quickly through what the project is. This site was originally included as a PUD with the Bookman stacks and lofts. So that is why there is a an amendment to the peu de to establish this new food hall.

H

That's proposed here is the site and a little bit more context, so the site, the pew tees that includes the lofts and stacks and then the highlighted red portion is where the proposed project will go and you can see in the photo that the concrete area is the roof of an underground parking garage. The new building is proposed to be built on top of that structure, so the applications required. Are the amendment to this yupi, a variance to reduce the minimum if they are from 2 to 0.78 in site plan review.

H

This is a site plan of the site, so you can see it's set back pretty far from 5th Avenue north and floorplans a little unclear second floor I'm. Here a couple of renderings of the proposed building. It's a two-story building with a large outdoor seating area and second-story second-story patio.

H

So the initial use permit I already covered that a bit and the the variance is required due to the minimum fa. Our requirement and B for and the site has a certain constraints being part of the master declaration of Bookman lofts.

H

It's limited to 40 feet in height and 20 3,500 square feet in gross floor area and they're also poor soil conditions at a site that would require extensive engineering to overcome, which is why the building is proposed to be built on the underground ramp, so site plan review staff identified a number of standards requiring alternative compliance, including building placements. Due to that large setback from v visual interest. There are a number of blank walls on the north, west and east elevations exterior materials durability.

H

The North elevation has a larger quantity of metal panel than our standards would allow the number of exterior materials which we will get into in a moment and windows. Some issues with the East elevations, not meeting that window requirement and so staff has recommended granting alternative compliance for the building placement. That's really driven by the soil conditions on the site's visual interest on the north and east. There are some interesting conditions where the east elevation is actually shielded from the public view by an entrance so that underground parking ramp.

H

So there really isn't an ability to put windows there and the North elevation was really facing, like an internal circulation equipment staff had recommended conditions of approval, requiring the project to eliminate blank walls.

H

On the second floor of the West elevation that exceeds 25 feet and then revising the exterior materials on the north to comply with the durability standards and on the east to be revised did not have more than three building materials on one, and this is that the applicants had concerns with conditional 11, which is the condition about revising elevations, to have not more than three materials on anyone.

H

This is the elevation question, so their initial submitted, they had shown I, think six building materials and we had talked about that and they revised it to the the resubmitted one. That's in the packet which still has five extra building materials, and so the applicant had hoped that the smaller quantity of Courtin and the wood panel would count as an accent material. But we just evaluate the full quantity of materials on elevation.

H

So staff has recommended approval with the reference conditions in the applicants like to.

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Commissioners, are there any.

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They're known I'll, open the public hearing on this item and I will have the applicant speak. First, please state your name and address for the worker Oh.

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My name is param with the HT architects thanks for doing this today, um so we just have one issue with item number 11 on your guys's list and that's number of materials just on the East elevation. So the East elevation is kind of our one main main elevation to the public. It's kind of the public touches at the most and the two spaces that the public actually sure yeah the two spaces that the public touches.

L

The most are the front entry in the service part the front entries right off the fourth street and we kind of envision.

L

That is something or kind of like a core ten box, so kind of an upgraded material from our other three main materials that the public actually comes in contact with, and then our second ask was for the service bar, which is just to the right of that, and that is we're envisioning, some type of wood paneling again, it's another upgraded material as higher quality to it, and it comes in contact with the public more than any of the.

B

Other other materials.

L

On the project.

L

Each of these material changes that were asking for comes with a distinctive change in massing, so it alone is its own little box of a different material, and we think it just fits nicely within this East facade, which will have most of the the excitement and the action around it.

A

Are there any questions of the applicant.

B

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You can see if there's anyone else would like to speak on this item. Yes, and please come to the microphone.

M

Thank you, I'm David, O'hara I live at 345 sixth Avenue north by condos. In the background there I'm in Bookman stacks I think this is a terrific development, but I have one concern. If you move one past this around to the side, that's facing hookman stacks yeah right there. There is a fence which delineates this development from a private courtyard and this in the architects drawings there's an opening in the fence which allows access to this private, courtyard and I'm concerned about potential pedestrian traffic and customers.

M

You know seeing this long and coming out and and using it, it really is a private courtyard, and given that the public space is primarily on 4th Avenue on the east side of the building, I would ask you to consider closing this fence just to really reduce the access to the private court. Here all.

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Yeah, let's find a refund I will add. You know that that gets into kind of a micro level detailed beyond our site plan approval, so I probably just encourage you to maybe have a conversation outside or.

J

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Of this meeting to work out a solution on that all right yeah, if you do have a response that.

L

Ok, I'll be back through so okay.

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From what we're doing in.

A

All right, okay sounds good. There.

B

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Questions of well I guess we can see if there's anyone else would like to speak on this item first and seeing no one.

O

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Close the public hearing commissioners: are there any further questions or would like to start things off with emotion,.

A

But you're crossing.

O

Item age, you could approve the conditional use permit with the one stated condition.

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Motion and a second to approve item a the conditional use permit to amend the PD one see the condition. Is there any further discussion hearing none clerk, please call the ball.

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I make a motion to approve the variance to reduce the floor area ratio from 2.0 to 0.78. We.

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Have a motion to approve item B II, they are variance. Is there any discussion hearing none, please call the roll.

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O

Yeah the motion to approve the site plan with the 11 stated conditions with a modification to number 11 striking. What's written and say the building shall be built per the elevation submitted in the packet.

A

Motion is there second, a motion and a second to approve I, don't see the site plan review with a modification to condition 11 at striking the language that is proposed and said, saying that the exterior material shall be provided as submit.

A

Sir any discussion.

O

Well, I can just say, I think it's a fine-looking building that one extra material on the east is really probably enhances the experience of view of the building and the public.

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C

I concur, I, think part of the reason that's driving the quantity of materials as well is that some of the materials on other facades are truly wrapping that the masking of certain elements so, rather than looking all fakie and pasted on one side, it's kind of completing a corner and, and then there's like, for example, the court end kind of being the background drawing the two together. So I think it's because it's being done well in factually. What's driving the need for this, so I concur in will be supporting the motion.

A

Right is there any further discussion hearing none, we have a motion and a.

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Clerk, please call the roll.

K

Kommen I go go all right. Sir Lukey appeared I agree, no I whoa, all right, traitor, hi, Susie hi. It's zero.

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That concludes our discussion on item 9. Our next item for discussion as item 11 staff.

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P

Good afternoon Hyden commissioners item number 11 is for the North Queen, the wellness clinic located at 13 1913 49, Penn, Avenue, north and 22 10 with a veneer north. The existing property encompasses a full block found by Plymouth Avenue north 14th Avenue north on the north and south Queen Avenue north on the west and Penn Avenue north on the east. As you can see in this aerial, photography, aerial photo north would be towards our right. We see the existing estie's funeral home at the south end of the site.

P

Last year the City Planning Commission approved the new estie's building located at the southeast corner of the pen in Plymouth intersection, and that a substantial completion at this point moving STS was important for the North Korean expansion to allow for additions on the north and south side of the existing building shown at the center. So as far as proposed demolitions, the STC funeral home would come down and then North Korea Inc to allow for additions again on the north and the south.

P

The applicant has requested several variances and a site plan review application. One of those variances has been withdrawn, and that was of the plaza standards. The applicant will be able to meet that those requirements and therefore that application has been withdrawn.

P

The site is unique in that it has three front yard setback requirements along Queen, Plymouth and Penn avenues and a corner side yard setback required along Penn Avenue north. So the majority of the variances requested have to do with the location of certain elements of the proposed parking areas on the north and the south side and in a loading area and the the courtyard spaces on the east and the west sides.

P

Here's the proposed landscaping plan and that really kind of draws the whole site together and I'll just kind of walk you through look like so from Plymouth Avenue additions again would be located approximately here in here.

P

The proposed use is a community center, which is generally consistent with the operations today provide medical and dental clinics as well as office spaces and mental health clinics. The food shelf will be moving from this existing building that is located approximately here to this portion of the building.

P

The majority of the parking would be located at the southeast corner of the intersection of Penn and cometh at the new Thor p3 project.

P

There is also an a BRT line that has been approved and the stop will be just south of the building along Penn, so the majority of traffic on foot or on transit will come to this point of intersection. This is an arcade where the second level is above. The main entrance of the building would be located here.

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Site fan allows for drop-off of patients and people utilizing the facility there's some short-term parking, as well as some handicap accessible parking located here in the South parking lot in the north parking lot. We see an curb cut off of 14th Avenue, there's some loading here, that's to accommodate the users of the building and primarily the food shelf. We have some maneuvering space for the loading area and then a parking lot here at the North. It's primarily intended for the food shelf, clientele.

P

Staff analyzed the proposed variances and I'll talk about the recommendations after the alternative compliance first, as far as building placement generally speaking, staff would prefer that the location of the building be located right up to the setbacks at the corner of pet, in Plymouth being the most prominent corner of the entire project and that being the location where we anticipate the largest amount of pedestrian traffic, either arriving via car and parking in the ramp or taking one of the available transit routes south of the site.

P

So staff is recommending that the after that the Planning Commission not grant alternative compliance and require that the building be located at the first floor up to the corner, as I mentioned before the upper floor above is located to the corner. But the first floor is not it's generally more of an arcade experience that you would walk underneath that second floor.

P

Additionally, that would provide a better Street wall. We feel by providing the building located 15 feet from Penn and Plymouth at that intersection.

P

The on-site parking based on the preservation of the existing building, in addition that north and south would require that the parking lots be located on the periphery or in the front yards or corner side yards and those variances have been requested and where staff is recommending denial of both of those variances.

P

Additionally, staff finds that, if we're able to get more of a corner presence, we would be able to get additional principal entrances at or near the corner of Penn and Plymouth. There's an additional series of entrances at the north end of the site kind of the main entrance. If you will, is through a vestibule, that's located approximately here just beyond that, vestibule is an information and security desk similar to it is on the south, where it kind of controls and is allows horribly finding for users of the site.

P

If using the food shelf, there is internal circulation with a door that exits back out towards the parking lot facing north staff identified an opportunity on the floor plan.

P

To potentially move at least one of the entrances where it's currently facing north as an exit through the food shelf to potentially face facing west, so instead face east towards Penn Avenue by essentially flipping these two spaces.

P

Here's another diagram just again identifying the two principal entrances at the north and south ends of the project and kind of that pedestrian path. If you will, if you're not utilizing either the on street parking spaces at the north or the south end of the site.

P

For building walls, we identified three primary locations where they were blank. Uninterrupted walls of 25 feet were stat for the proposed addition, there's some that are there for the existing building, but that's outside of the requirements of the city to require alteration of those existing buildings. So we're in the addition staff is asking for either a change material recess or projection, something to break out those blank walls and the applicant I thought the thing to do that then, with the even distribution of windows.

P

Essentially by breaking up those walls, we felt like what couldn't be accommodating through window should be approved for.

P

Landscaped yards because of the site and the proximity of those parking areas to the to the front yard, setbacks and corners on years. Epochs that 7-foot landscape yard is not prevalent in any of those required areas. So staff is asking that the Planning Commission deny the alternative compliance and require that the app can provide those seven feet of landscape yards and I'll just kind of walk through where those.

P

Okay, so staff would expect a seven-foot landscape yard adjacent to Queen, along Plymouth Avenue here along the loading area here along 14th for the full look very decent to the loading and then also adjacent to the parking and then a 15-foot from here, because this is a front yard setback along Patten.

P

With that additional landscape yard, where some pieces it is as close as two feet- 9 inches or what's provided on site staff, feels that the applicant would then be able to provide some parking lot screening through a combination of vegetation and screening offense and then also would be able to provide that minimum of one tree per 25 feet of parking lot frontage.

P

So the applicant has concurred with staff recommendation on variance a to deny the front yard setback along Penn Avenue north. They believe that they would be able to provide that 15 foot setback in that landscape yard there for variance be for the corner side yard along North, 14th Avenue they're, asking that the Planning Commission approve that application I can just come in again.

P

So you can see here at its closest corner. It's four feet: eight inches up here towards the western part of the North parking lot. It's five five staff found an opportunity to reduce this drive aisle by two feet, so that would give us 2 6 8 and this walkway by another 1 foot 4 inches. So that would get us the 8 feet required along the corner side yard. So staff felt as though with minimal alteration to the existing parking lot layout in that walkway that the applicant could meet that minimum corner side, yard setback.

P

P

The applicant isn't agrees with the front yard setback, variance for seed along Queen Avenue north, including those stated conditions of approval for variant D and then also for variance EE I'll just take those together. Those have to do with the location of the south parking lot and the ability to provide landscape yard here, as well as reducing the number of parking stalls located within that south parking lot. So essentially, staffs recommendation is to allow for some drop-off spaces, approximately 8:00, to queue up here.

P

It also allows for kind of a paths around Lane, as you can see here, these parking stalls located at the center of the south parking lot exceed the minimum depth of 18 feet by 4 feet, 6 inches, so staff felt as though there was an opportunity to provide landscaping here, essentially tighten up some of this space to provide more Drive aisle to allow for the turning movements that are required. The applicant provided this plan to show.

P

So I just a moment.

P

The applicant provided a maneuvering plan showing a Metro mobility vehicle as being the vehicle that would be the most frequent and the largest size utilizing the South parking lot in order to allow for drop-offs to occur again. Staff felt as though the the turning movements were such that we could allow for a greater landscape yard here and create more of a driveway condition than a drive aisle by not allowing these parking stalls to pull through, and so in essence, what staff is really recommending is seven feet of landscaping here and they're.

P

Reducing these two parking stalls that's really kind of at its most basic as far as a design, and so we have demonstrated that.

P

I'm not able to turn the page right now, but essentially this is looking south, where we could get more of a landscape yard here and again allow for the drives necessary and then parking is still located here. Staff is not specific in that particular condition of approval, or we said eight off street parking spaces for short term and then just for general parking spaces, because we didn't want to create a situation where we said four accessible spaces where they really needed five or six.

P

So we would allow the applicant flexibility to actually provide what is remaining so in essence, again, the staff recommendation is really to eliminate those two parking stalls located at the southwest corner of the site and just kind of create a better efficiency of space in that south parking lot to really get that landscaped yard a long time at the Avenue North, which again is a front yard setback. So with that I can take any questions. Commissioners.

A

Are there any questions of staff, Commissioner, Rockwell.

Q

Janice on the on the last one you're just talking about parents D, so the variance is to reduce the setback from 15 feet to 2 feet, six inches mm-hmm.

K

Q

I think I heard you saying is- is not to wholly deny that, but instead to amend that staffs recommendation is to amend that from 2 feet. 6 inches was it 7 feet so.

P

In this case, what staff is asking is for a driveway instead of a dry pile, or that is a permitted obstruction in the front yard setback would.

B

Be technically.

P

A denial of the variance- and it would just again create more efficiency and make this really kind of a one-way condition through the site got.

Q

It so only got something so.

P

A

Any further questions of staff hearing none I'll open the public hearing on this item and I'll ask the applicant to speak. First Jen, please state your name and address for the record.

F

Good evening, commissioners, my name is Rebecca Padilla and I'm, a senior planner and architect for Hennepin County facility services. The applicant this project grew out of North Point conversations dating back to 2006, so there have been a lot of iterations of this project and the evolution of the project originated this evolute. This project originated in 2014 as a community-based recommendation from the North Point community board and was approved to was endorsed to move forward by Hennepin, County, Board and 20 in 2015.

F

So since then, we've been going through a very extensive programming and pre design effort and a schematic design was a year long. We finished that and it was approved by the county, broad board and the community board February 6th of this year. So I guess that's to say, give you a little history and to say that this, this evolution of the project is very refined and it really reflects the the services provided by North, Pointe health and wellness center.

F

We understand what's there because of this project is doing it's expanding the space to accommodate the programs that are very successful medical and Human Services programs. So that's the purpose of it and um I wanted to also mention that, throughout this process, the project team has routinely been meeting with in the neighborhood and people in the community are very well apprised of what we're doing and at this point, I wanted to introduce Stella Whitney Weston she'll speak she's, the CEO of North Pointe.

R

Good afternoon mr. chair members of the Commission I am NOT an architect, so I couldn't tell you what the difference between sixty and six inches, but what I can tell you is about how our patients, community and our staff use our facility. I know about patient flows. I know about staff, workflows and I know about this project.

R

We've been working on this project for 11 years or more and I have been a CEO but entire 11 years a Northpoint health and wellness center has been in North Minneapolis for 50 years, we're celebrating 50 years in this location, and we provide medical, dental, behavior health. We have an on-site pharmacy laboratory radiology. We have chemical dependency treatment programs, we have a food shelf, which is the largest food shelf in the city, probably in the state.

R

We also provide employment services, housing, youth prevention, empowerment programs and also for co-parenting support for families. We have a number of support groups for men and women and youth that are experiencing domestic violence, trauma and reentry and Juvenile Probation. We are the largest Community Health Center in Minneapolis in Hennepin County. We serve over 28,000 500 patients annually with over a hundred nine thousand visits since 2006, our patients have increased over 61 percent and our visits have increased over 86 percent, which is why this expansion is so needed.

R

We also have clinics in seven schools in the city of Minneapolis and we have two satellite sites: one and the court mccorvey senior center and one at 800 West Broadway, that is in partnership with the Minneapolis Public Schools in the Minnesota Workforce Center, as you may or may not know, we are often we are also governed by a community board that is in partnership with Hennepin County 77% of our board. Members are patients, we're only required to have 51%, but we went over board 70% of our board.

R

Members live in our service area, predominantly North Minneapolis, 51 % of our patients are african-american, 27 percent are Latino and 12% are Southeast Asian. Our mission is to create a healthier community and we incorporate those social determinants of health into our practice, which means we do as much of our health intervention in the communities outside of our clinic walls as much as we do inside our clinic walls. We believe it's important to be where people live, work.

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Play so our campus design represents how we work with the community to achieve health outcomes. Many of our health outcomes have exceeded a state and national averages, and for the last three years we have been recognized nationally for our quality. Our campus design, as Rebecca mentioned, represents years of work and a number of staff and volunteer work groups, as well as the number of patient and community listening sessions.

R

So in terms of the specific recommendations from the from the staff, I just want to speak to item number, B, D and E, and then item G number. Six. So, first of all, our North parking area not only serves our food shelf, but is also an area that we have a number of our community events. You're. Seeing now is one of our major bike rides that is coordinated through the major Taylor cycling. It is also going to be the short-term parking for our pharmacy.

R

Our pharmacy does a number of prescriptions equal to a large CVS over 650 prescriptions daily.

R

We also need that parking space because many of our families they utilize the food shelf, need that extra space for the volunteers to a system with bringing out their food to their cars or their transportation.

R

Many of the families have children, so we wanted to make sure that the space is ample enough for safety. Also.

R

In terms of the front of our clinic, where there's a staff recommendation for the variants that we've asked for I like to say that we have a number of patients that not only use Metro mobility but also right, our patient vans- and these are large, six I mean 15 passenger vans, and so we need that space for those vans to pull up. We are also going to be providing valet parking, because we want to make sure that our patients and clients utilize the parking ramp and reduce parking in the residential neighborhood.

R

So we believe that if we are able to provide that valet parking and having that space there, that will encourage and we'll get a lot of those cars which was our goal for the parking ramp off of the street in terms of item number G.

R

In terms of that main entrance facing the north parking lot, we think it's important that it faced the north parking lot and not pen again. This makes it convenient for our patients, our customers in our volunteers and again, that entrance is also used by our pharmacy patients as well. So again, we've used the very extensive inclusive process: we've to engage our staff, our clients, our patients, the community in this design, so I hope that you accept our application and our recommendations. I'm now I'm going to introduce a real architect mr.

R

bill Hickey, with collaborative design and before.

A

You leave the microphone I. Think Commissioner, loopy Pierre has a question for you. Hi.

C

So I had a question about the north parking lot. Where the entrance you just said you prefer not facing pen but to face West to get to the north parking lot. Can you explain? Is that just an exit or is it also the entrance and the exit ticket is the entrance in the exit and then the the garden landscaped area that is between that proposed staff entrance and pen? Can you talk a little bit about the purpose of that and and why it would not be good to exit onto or enter through that for for.

R

Penn Avenue mm-hmm, because what one of the mazes is that it doesn't allow enough space, because we want most of our customers that are coming in that space in that parking area allows them to park their short term in order to load their food shelf items as opposed to they wouldn't be able to do that. I mean it would, and it will also increase that walking if they were to exit on the Penn Avenue side. Thank you any other questions.

A

We have any other questions at the moment, thanks Thank You.

S

Commissioners I'm bill Hickey estelle mentioned with collaborative design group 125, Main Street southeast, just to quickly expand on styles comment.

S

Many of the things that were doing with the site and with the building are predicated on that existing building that we have to keep an operation keep functioning and in the end, makes sense of as we build the new building. So the North entry is the beginning of our internal Main Street, which builds on the existing clinics central circulation area, so we're expanding off of that the food shelf Act.

S

There are two doors and it can be a bit confusing when we're talking two entrance, that's the main entry to both the main street into the food shelf. The food shelf does have a one-way circulation path through it. So when a patron comes out with their their goods, they come out a door under the same canopy that they entered into, but it is physically a separate door.

S

It's the same location so just to clarify that I do also want to expand a little bit on how the nature of our patients and clients affects how we've made some of these site judgments a high high percentage of the clients and patients and northwind are children. You know what happens with kids in parking lots, especially if they're, sick or if the parents are struggling with ones and sibling, and not the other, so reducing circulation and lanes to minimums is a calculated risk.

S

We feel that we need to be somewhat more than minimum generous with circulation as a as a safety thing. As a convenience thing, parents have to get doors, open, elderly folks have walkers and things to deal with. So we are recognized. We are above the minimum for some of these dimensions, but we want to be able to provide a a comfortable experience for for users coming in and own.

S

Excuse me, the the main points I wanted to talk about, relate to items four things. Four and five in the staff staff comments.

S

There's a cord on that.

S

That's the the the main entry here. This is the first floor plan. You can see the covered arcade coming in and the internal main street runs north-south here with the existing building in the center and again building on that as our circulation north/south path, we went through over the years. Any number of.

S

Options for the building on the site: we've we've had iterations of driveways many different options, trying to find the right way whether it was a one-way pull off or the present loop trying to balance all these things. Some of the things that we just can't change.

S

The first item is the existing building floor plan first floor. That we have to match is about three and a half four feet above the level of the intersection sidewalk at the intersection of Penn employment. So to step into the building. At that point, we would actually be half a floor down.

S

That brings with it some limitations, obviously for logistics and there's the cost of getting people up and down and what that does for space, but it also would bring people in remote from that existing central spine, where we need to move people up and down earth through the building. I should say we recognize that that it is important to claim the corner architectural II in the build. We think a a strong presence on at the corner. This is a view as you step onto the sidewalk at the corner, a.

S

Little further, it's a strong architectural move, it brings people under shelter, but it allows us to do the graceful ramp into sweet people, sweet people up to the front door. It does allow us to provide a sheltered area. We have routinely many clients lined up before opening, and this is a way to provide that shelter.

S

We also do note that Plymouth Avenue is maybe unique, but the typology up and down is of larger buildings with central entrances. Urbanely you Rock, 4th precinct, asked us now even.

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S

Multifamily housing have mid block approaches, so we feel we're it consistent in that regard, the corner entry being more of a retail approach.

S

It's again we're we're stuck with the option because of the floor changes, but we we think it's an appropriate in a graceful graceful way to adjust these things.

S

Those are the main points I wanted to cover. If you have any questions for me, Lou.

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C

So I just wanted to quick go through some of the items at Shannon. I went through and gets your take, so I believe she had some concerns about the side, yard setback or the corner side yard setback on Long 14 for the parking lot and she recommended narrowing the drive aisle between the two, the double-loaded corridor and then also narrowing the sidewalk. Can you not the sidewalk with the sidewalk, that's adjacent to your building as a means of accommodate accommodating that setback?

C

Can you talk a little about those two things or whether or not either or both of those are possible? The.

S

The narrowing of the driveway again gets to this that the nature of the the transaction there, the clients, the the doors being open for groceries, the carts the children were squeezing that don't we do struggle with all these being called parking areas because they are dual purpose for us. This is a festival area.

S

We have a lot of events that will happen there, so you know in a weird sort of way.

S

You know these are just just from some of the last events at Northpoint we're taking away from people if we, if we devote land to the passive landscaping along the boundary and out of the plaza area, and so we're trying to find that balance, we do recognize it's important. They have the screening and the edge, but we feel that the better use is to put this where people can use it and.

C

I know that the the variance request is for 4 foot 8 inches to allow, but that's from the property lines. You know what the actual dimension is from the parking lot to the public sidewalk itself, but the overall landscape area would be, and it appears to be.

S

I, don't know the exact number I've got my head. It's about about 6, I'm,.

C

Just curious, if we approach that I.

S

Should also mention all of these if you're familiar with the present North Point, there's a chain-link fence that goes away, we are getting rid of our handsome.

P

Sorry so it would be just looking at it about eight feet. It looks like at the westernmost edge and probably closer to seven and a half okay.

P

C

Shannon and then, since we're on that kind of area of the planet, if we can maybe zoom out a little, could you just show on the plan the circulation, for you mentioned the one way going in going I, think I think I understood it that it enters facing south and then you exit facing north under the same can be but I'm not sure. Since it's some of the planets don't show over the access points. If you could highlight that orbit,.

S

This is the location for the main north-south spine entry, a.

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S

Coming to the the food shelf comes in there's a canopy over this area and then access to the food shelf is inside and the route is through and then out here again under the canopy and in the in the general waiting area for pickup. Okay,.

C

And then moving on to the setback, long Plymouth Avenue from 15 feet to two foot: six for the south parking area. Can you specifically talk about that? A little bit.

S

You can sort of see this little shoulder. That's the tail tail for the radius of the Metro mobility buses narrowing these spots or these aisles rather the the the reason we have not done. That is the frontage along the sidewalk will have valet Parkers, taxis, other vans and things there, and we have to be able to keep a circulation lane through there. It will be a one-way loop. The staging areas in the middle are just for valet.

S

Only so there's really no parking other than the handicap spots, the corner spot, for instance, not one of the north point bands and those sorts of things.

C

So, are you saying that the 22 foot six inch dimension is actually driven by the turning radius and not by a parking length of the vehicle? That's in the center.

S

It's it's the kerning correct this. This is happenstance. Okay, we need to fit those 15 passenger vans, but that can be done in 20 foot, okay,.

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S

They we also don't want backing traffic there again, because the kids and.

C

Then staffs recommendation to remove the south-western to most parking spaces. Can you talk about why there's a need for that many those.

S

Are the staging areas for the North Way bands, the the 15 passenger ones, for the we dimension and.

C

Then the only other thing I think any questions on were the comments you made were in regard to the site plan item G numbers 4, &, 5 that we you Jacque, have talked about. First correct.

S

Correct! That's about the the intersections.

C

S

Having the arcade approach so.

C

You're fine, with the other conditions of the site plan review, but just those two specific numbers that you wanted to address. Let.

S

Me well, let me item six: it's that's the food shelf entry that Stella had mentioned. Let me go go through in item G numbers 1, 2, & 3 are acceptable.

S

4, 5, & 6, we didn't do disagree with number 7. We accept that and to clarify that the blank wall is actually part of that Plaza and will be used for art and activity and things so no problem there. Let's see you know, 8 8, because it's sort of redundant with these other.

C

S

And 10 are acceptable. Thank.

B

A

Other questions for the speaker for.

O

That south parking drop-off area have you, looked at ever rotating that 90 degrees and pushing it closer to 2 Queen to allow the come closer to Plymouth and reducing that impact along brought. Oh.

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S

You you're you're, saying reverse this and put that here enough. Only this way this is this corner. Is the existing building so we're constrained in that depth. We can't actually get the the necessary depth in there. We have squeezed the the new building as much as feasible in this dimension. Just to accommodate this, we when we started it had been. It must be a hundred.

O

Feet from the front of the existing building to the sidewalk on Planet.

S

It it's close, I, don't know the number of.

A

Any other questions, sir none I, don't know if the applicant has anything else and not we can see if there are any other speakers.

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Name is Marco Asian, Robinson and.

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I

Had a couple of signs about the parking lot across the street there, our property is actually on this side of 14th and so I wanted to know what the plans are for that parking lot, because, as I say, they do do a lot of great work for the community and so when they do have their events and things. Since my property is right there on the corner, like it limits my parking for family and guests and things and so I just want to know.

I

I did hear her say something about the reducing the residential parking over there. So there won't be that so I'm hoping that that is the case, but I just kind of want to know what the plan is for these parking lot over here. If I still gonna be used for like overflow parking or for the staff or whatnot all.

A

Right yeah, we can ask the applicant what their plans are for that parking lot.

S

You're talking about the lot here used to long term, that is the it is not going to change from parking. The discussion issued, the county disposed of it. Staff and patient parking will be exclusively in Thor. The only on-site parking in the present lot will be for these short-term uses or the you valet sort of use. It's been a commitment with the neighbors to try to get staff and patients out of the neighborhood streets and into these define spots so that way by itself isn't changing, but it shouldn't make a difference.

B

A

Else would like to speak.

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A

The public hearing and commissioners, we have several applications before us. Seven.

K

A

Any further questions, or would someone like to start off the discussion with emotion,.

A

Mature loopy beer I can.

C

Start with some of these um I'm going to move staff recommendation for variance a to decrease the front yard setback along pen from 15 to 13 8 foot 8 tonight, because it sounded as though that wasn't something that was being contested.

B

C

Regardless so most affirmation right.

B

A

Have a motion and a second to to deny variants a for the front yard setback 1 there any discussion. If there is none clerk, please call the roll.

K

Coleman I told you.

B

K

Are right here, I agree, no I.

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K

B

K

Swezey I meet through motion.

A

Carries make sure I look deep here, I.

C

Am going to modify variance B, which is to decrease the corner side yard setback on 14th Avenue on staff recommendation was to deny the variance from 8 feet to 4 foot 8. Excuse me, but I buy in doing so by decreasing the drive aisle and also through reducing the pedestrian sidewalk adjacent to the building and I I. Think that I would like to modify that to I think it's reasonable to expect that a minor reduction could be made to those things. I.

C

Think, though, that given the heavy pedestrian use of that, it seems reasonable to me to allow it to be varied somewhat. So I would like to change it to approve the variance reducer from 8 foot to 5 foot 8 inches.

C

Make up that foot is up to them all.

A

Right so we have a motion to approve variance, be to decrease the corner yard. Its effect on 14th Avenue from 8 feet to 5 feet 8 inches to allow for the north parking area is.

N

A

A second I have a motion and a second any discussion.

A

Commissioner Rock well.

Q

Sure can you tell us what that leaves? I'm sorry, my drawings are so tiny. What that leaves us with for a landscape.

Q

5 feet 8 inches on the south and.

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Q

In that North right, it.

P

Depends on how its configured I don't know that it would necessarily have to increase more.

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C

Now I think the landscape of finished look to a general pedestrian in which they look here to be what our intention is right.

Q

C

They've advanced gave the public right away ever soon to the sidewalk. You want to stop at your property line and have a foot plus something of nothing least. I hope.

A

Right, we have a motion and a second to approve variance, be or a corner.

B

A

Setback of 5 feet 8 inches rather than 8 feet. Sir any further hearing, none clerk, please call the roll.

K

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K

Here all right, you know all right.

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K

All right, traitor, Suzie, I-80.

A

That motion carries next. We have variants each area thanks.

P

For the interruption, because this was the denial and not just an alternative recommendation, we will need findings for variance fee for particularly finest one and two. Please. Yes,.

A

That's good for that reminder and.

A

Constraint looky here you could take a stab at that or, if you'd like a minute, we can move on to one of the other applications. I think.

C

That what the proposing isn't a reasonable use- and they keep the spirit and intent, especially given that the public realm will still meet the intention of the original requirement and I believe some of it is due to second, it won't be injurious to the user enjoyment of the public right away or the in injurious to the health, safety or welfare of the general public. Primary properties.

C

I'm trying to think about the first one and.

Q

I think I found that one because there will be there will remain sufficient space for landscape of screening, yeah.

A

Well and I might add, on the practical difficulties, this is a reuse and modification of an existing building. So therefore, there are some site constraints just associated with that.

A

Findings addressing those three areas you moving along variant, C, Commissioner.

C

Luque I'll move staff recommendation on variant C to decrease the front yard setback along Queen Avenue.

A

The motion to approve variance C is there a second a motion and any discussion hearing none clerk, please call the roll.

K

Clemence I will go all right. Cancer I keep here. I agree, no I, all right, traitor, easy I, paid, zero.

A

Someone else make a motion to I'm.

C

C

Move approval, the variants reduce the front sight, earned or the front yard setback long, Penn Avenue, so in other words I'm flipping it and I'm gonna cite the practical difficulties as being the existing footprint of the building and I recall during committee, the whole having to look at movement through the site and especially through the entry sequence, and it seemed to be a really well program for all the needs I had to address in that space without make me feel as cavernous as it currently feels when you enter the building.

C

I think it's a much-needed change and it's gonna feel much more welcoming and a lot less like you're funneling people into a space. This way so I as much as I love, more landscaping along there. I can see where the turning radius is highly driving. This two foot, six to mention and I'm I'm pleased to see the amount of landscaping that's being put in there to make up for it.

A

Alright, so we have a motion to approve that variance of D. Is there a second like a motion and a second any discussion, I think committee peer outline. The findings did that seem that a quick joke ain't good. If there is no further discussion, please call the roll.

K

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K

Here I mean oh, no, no, no Schrader's, all right squeezy! I it's four to three.

A

Carries next, commissioner, I will keep here I.

C

Will move approval of variance II.

A

We have a motion to approve variance. Is there a second a motion and a second any.

Q

A

Krisha Rockville.

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Any further discussion hearing none or please call the roll.

K

K

A

Motion carries and the variance F may have a motion to return that variance of the plaza standard so.

C

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Any discussion hearing.

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K

Coleman hi kögel all.

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K

Right traitor: it's busy hi, it's room motion.

A

Carries finally item G the site plan review? Would you like to take a stab at that really.

C

But okay um I'm gonna move staff recommendation on site plan review, striking.

C

Digit numbers- let's see four well seems like four or five six and eight all deal with four five and six that do with the location of the entry, far from the corner and the setback and I think that practical difficulties of the method, its variance but I- think that the fact that they have to match the existing floor plate height and that it is a great grade change.

C

That explains why they it's as far as we as it is, and also just works for the programming of the building and and it still has a welcoming sense of entry from the corner that accommodates public transit. So I'm happy for that, and as for eight I, think that I don't know how to word that to accommodate that variances we approved earlier so I'm, less I'm hopeful that staff can do I just strike it or do I have to have some Howard Smith is yeah. Let's a strike condition eight as well.

A

So we have a motion to approve item the site plan, review, removing conditions, four, five, six and eight.

A

We have a second.

J

A

Second, that motion failed. Would someone like to make an alternate motion, commissioner Rockville I'll.

Q

Make a motion to approve staff recommendation, OMG site plan review, striking item six and I can explain that if I'm sick, all.

A

Right, we now have a motion to approve item G the site plan review, removing condition at six motion in a second Commissioner Rockwell. Thank you. It's.

C

A good question is.

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C

Speaking eight, since that contradicts that we've accrued earlier appearances. Oh yes,.

Q

I wish should strike oh.

A

So we'll have a motion to approve item G, striking condition, six and eight Commissioner Rock. If.

B

I could just interrupt things. You mean that that the expectation is that there will be landscaping between the parking, lots and public sidewalks. It just won't be so right.

Q

Make that clear, sir, so perhaps perhaps I'll put forward amending item eight to have dimensions consistent with the variances approved earlier yeah.

A

All right, so the motion then is motion to approve striking condition. Six and modifying condition: eight, that landscape yards, that landscaping is provided in.

Q

At least seven feet amending that.

A

P

Sorry for the interruption I just for number ten, which is on the last page, talks about trees for every 25 feet in those narrow landscape beds. I'm, not sure that's going to be possible or not, but so is just a point of clarification.

P

So we can certainly achieve it where we can. Similarly, okay.

A

So mr. Rockwell does that and any further changes to your motion. Let's.

Q

Just start up number one: it just all them a little bit. Okay, no I think we're.

A

Good okay, so we have well. We have a motion in a second, we changed the motion a little bit: Commissioner Rocco.

Q

So you know I think it's in terms of item number six, it doesn't seem to me, like the doorway exiting the food shelf is really there for that circulation and to have people exit where they enter I. Think it's a thoughtful idea. Although I there was a piece of me that would rather have the entrance on and I think that that could create confusion. So that's my rationale for striking sex. You know in terms of the having a an entrance on Penn and Plymouth, employing the building there. You know this is a really key intersection.

Q

There is a whole rethinking of this intersection with a lot of a North Point parking for those who do drive across the street and so I think pulling people to be able to enter and see that entrance on their approach on foot is really important and I think that building our city to really facilitate and encourage public transportation use is crucial and that putting a doorway away from an obvious place, although I can see that there's a pathway there, but away from an obvious place on the corner on the street is just any illogical.

Q

Move in 2018.

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O

Like that echo those comments- and just summarize by saying it seems like the site plan- has oriented much too much towards the automobile, not a much to the pedestrians and the transit that is actually being built right now. It's hopefully wonderful service and I support. The motion.

A

Any further discussion, otherwise we have a motion and a second to approve G. The site plan review with some changes.

K

A

Carry that concludes our discussion on item 11. Our next item for discussion is item 13.

T

Yuh-Huhhh for the properties that they own at 40 to 25 and 40 to 51 Hiawatha Avenue. They occupy the entire frontage. Long Hiawatha Avenue between 42nd and 43rd streets in south Minneapolis at the site is zoned. I wanted is.

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T

In the industrial living overlay district, um there are three applications before you tonight. The first is a conditional use permit for truck and trailer rental and the i1 light industrial district, the primary or the principal use of the new building that would be constructed on site a self-service door to that as a principal or a permitted use. Excuse me in the Iowan district, however, the truck and trailer rental requires the conditional use permit.

T

They conditional use from, and also to increase, the height of the building from four stories or 56 feet up to five stories, sixty five feet and then psych interview, so just to walk you through the site and staff is recommending denial of all three applications. The site owner abuse requires a significant amount of alternative compliance, and staff did not feel that allowing so much culture of compliance was the best decision for the project. We had continued this from two meetings ago. The applicant and I did meet to talk about revisions.

T

They chose to move forward with what had originally been proposed, and so we are maintaining our recommendations of denial and our three applications, but just to orient everyone. This is 42nd and 43rd. So North is on your North. Is this way on your screen? This is the existing building that is on the site. It is a former service station building.

T

I think this could be the crux of a lot of the problems, but we didn't get that far in the conversation to be honest during the continuance period, but maintaining in this building is not allowing them to meet a lot of our standards, but this is the direction they want it to go, and so that's what we're gonna talk about, so that is that existing building, that's on the site.

T

The new building then set somewhat in the middle, which is problematic for most of our site plan review standards, talking about putting parking to the side or the rear, having windows materials all of those things, and then the areas on the sides of the building are all for parking, maneuvering or storage of the truck and trailer rental vehicles.

T

That would sit on the site, as you can see, in the site plan review standards, there's over 20 items that they don't meet from building placements visual interest windows had access vehicle access, most of the general landscaping screen parking and loading landscaping and screening the standards and then crime prevention and again, because so much of the states need adult sort of complaints are so many of our standards needed I'll turn Mayans are exceptions, I should say we did not feel that we could submit this application and I will stand.

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T

A

All right, commissioners, are there any questions of staff. Hearing none I will open the public hearing on this item and I'd like to ask the applicant to speak first. So please come.

J

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Microphone state, your name and address for the record.

U

Hello, I'm Christopher woman with you all company of Minnesota I'm, the president I reside at 975, 898, Street, West and Lakeville Minnesota. So today, I come before you. The little building I would I'd agree with Hillary as part of the problem is building placement.

U

When the CEO, when we originally purchased the property, he was quite enamored with the little service station as u-haul. If you may or may not know the history of u-haul, we started with our business in service stations across the country. Those were the first uhaah locations that served the general public and when he saw this old service station, he wanted to bring it back to what it was back, then and kind of a nod to u-hauls history and also a little bit of nod the history of Hiawatha.

U

We had originally planned to just reuse the building, as is, and we determined that in fitting with the recent developments in the area that it probably was better to do a new storage building. So we came to that. The reason we purchased this property in the beginning is because our truck and trailer share across the city is severely lacking.

U

Our location on nicholette Avenue was 0.43 acres and does the most transactions in the entire Upper Midwest, not even close, like there's, not even a close second to this one and the amount of transactions that does and that's primary because we're completely under serf the amount of population, for example, another Metro Milwaukee you're gonna, be about 13 u-hall centers and 30 u-haul neighborhood dealers, the City of Phoenix Arizona, there's 23, u-haul, centers and 117 u-haul dealers in the city of Minneapolis.

U

We have one u-haul Center, the building design standards really conflict with our 73 years of experience on laying out parking lots and we've gone through. We own thousands of locations across the country and we've made our fair share of mistakes and our CEO won't. Let us repeat them again and the reason why we wanted to keep the service station and most of the you move is we call it on the old gas station side is because we want the self storage load and unload isolated away from those.

U

Whenever we have combined the you move and the self storage load and unload it's chaos, you got people backing up on one, you have people walking to their equipment. On the other part, it's a means to isolate and it comes down to safety. We don't want everything happening just at one end, since this is a narrow property.

U

Everything would be consolidated to a very small amount of square footage on just that southside. If we were to move the building to the corner, it just won't work for us, one that doesn't work, because the CEO really wants to keep that little gas station and it's just not conducive with our the way we operate. We know safety, we know what works, what we doesn't, what doesn't work and Joe Shawn our CEO couldn't burden the general manager of the location with the site that he knows that will not operate properly.

U

If we followed most of the design standards and the big one is building placement as far as all the other ones, visual interest I can fix that both windows I can fix that both of them pedestrian access. We could definitely sharpen our pencil on that one during the landscaping and screening I can fix. All of those I can pick that and then crime prevention through Environmental Design.

U

Some of that will get fixed with the landscaping and the other part so that we can overcome with just straight-up technology our facilities used by far the best cameras, sensors- and you know, there's the location that has is active most of the time. So the biggest problem we have is. We do not.

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U

Locations in the city of Minneapolis it it's come to a head as they say, and we don't know where else we would go in the city. We bought the property, we own it. If you guys deem that it's just not going to work out. That's fine, we'll just our plan is just to use the building, as is.

U

Take any questions you have thank.

A

You and commissioners, are there any questions of the.

A

Questions make sure Coquille.

J

So you, as far as building placement, that the two reasons you listed as why you couldn't put it on the corner, the CEO doesn't want to get rid of the little service station yeah.

U

I mean in the end it's his building. He really wants to keep it. He had a personal hand and making sure all those he even contacted mobile one to make sure we could still use the Pegasus horse and of course they were happy that we could reuse. That I mean the family that owned the service station. Has the original Pegasus horse from it, and we can use that I mean there's a lot of different history, things that they'll bring bring into it and that's what he really wanted on it. The other thing is to isolate.

U

Do you move from the south?

U

We just don't want it all on one side, in fact, it's so much of deal to Joe and to you whole, if we can isolate it, we will just use the property, as is, and then that's what it is, because we're not going to put people in rest or not connect burden, a manager with a poor location in the end until it's just something we can do, but.

J

Okay, you know I guess my one other question and so on the it is it a safety issue that that second issue or is it just that it's a burden to the manager? It's.

U

Both it's definitely a safety issue, I mean, can you imagine people sharing all their all the equipment going on on the one side, and then you got your self storage on the other side, where people are actually backing up to the facility.

U

If you have all those people going in to buy boxes, do the truck share trailer share all that stuff, you're gonna be crossing paths and you got big trucks that are backing up and I can be able to see people as well as they could that's why we want to isolate it from one side to the other.

A

Sure we keep here yeah.

C

I wanted to kind of touch on that a little bit as well, because the five story building seems kind of from you know at first glance, kind of arbitrarily placed. So if you could talk a little is not closer to the little building or you know in terms of. Why is it exactly where it is and it looks like there's a proportion of space on each side and how each of those accommodates those two distinct things you're talking about yeah.

U

So originally we didn't utilize the South parcel.

U

We had to redo our plans again, because the city of the state and whatnot would not let us keep our curb cuts, and so it was a redevelopment so actually that bigger building was scooted closer to the other building and we weren't and we didn't know what we were gonna use the South parcel for at the time, but ever since that the curb cuts got closed off.

U

Well now we have to have an entrance into the on the south side to get to the storage, because there's no longer a curb cut to feed that and on the other side, that would serve that. You move the reason why we I mean basically on the the building's kind of positioned so that we have turning radius for the trucks to back in and out on the south side.

U

On the north side, we have shunting lanes that come off the north face of the building and that's just we're relying the trucks up before they get and.

C

How many loading dock spaces are we talking about it's it's hard to tell on the copies here, because they're really really delight if whether they're parking spaces or loading dock or how that all there's.

U

Two internal and I believe seven on the outside, so.

C

If I'm a person, who's renting a self-storage thing, I would be on the south side of the building and I'd pull in from the south and do all my turning radius stuff and hopefully not hit another truck and then unload my crap and be gone. And if I was moving. I would enter from the north side and rent a truck or boxes or whatever, and then leave yep.

U

Just as you can see, it kind of just isolates, it keeps people safe, I mean because there's gonna be more activity going on at the north side compared to the south side. But the south side has the element of danger. If you want to call it because people are gonna, be backing up.

A

Commissioner Sweezey, you.

E

Not so much a question, maybe but a comment I think I heard you say going through those the list of the things that require alternative compliance, that staff is identified. It sounds like most of those. You say you can fix.

U

E

I guess my my my thinking on it is that this it sounds like there was an opportunity with the continuance to work, those things out and then tonight perhaps all of that could have been resolved and we would have maybe just been talking about the building placement.

E

It's hard to go with all those things that require alternative compliance and and while I certainly believe you and I frankly would like to approve your project. But- and you say well, we can fix them. But if, if that had been hammered out ahead of time, we would have known how those things would have gotten fixed and we would have had an opportunity to pass on those and I feel like an opportunity was lost during that continuance time to make progress on those. Basically.

U

We're told that building placement was the issue, and why bother, if you don't fix the plate, building placement? So why spend more money and more time and I mean we can do all this? They were actually pretty much done with it and the CEO said: stop we if they're not going to work with us on building placement, why bother now go you? Can we can fix all these? These are, if you read them through they're, pretty easy to repair or fix right.

E

U

Just we were told basically the building placement was the issue and why bother if it's.

E

Not sure well, maybe just for the few I mean, as the group.

U

It has to approve it I understand where you're coming from, and you know if it was up to me. You probably would've been done like that, but I don't have all the same world understood.

E

Thank You Commissioner Schrader I, just.

N

Want to echo Commissioner sui's these comments that I would have liked to see that that's like this is a substantial amount of things that need variance and I'd like to see how you would have done that I'm, not sure if I would have approved it, but I mean it's I think that would have helped. You are given a lot here. Yeah.

A

Any further questions for the applicant.

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Else would like to share.

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C

Little peep here I'm a question for staff, so Hilary enlighten me a little bit so if they were not doing anything with that, one like they tore down the one-story building, would we still be having just like? What's the what's the deal with the one-story building like if that were gone, and it was just parking lot, would what would we would it affect this at all? Or is it the fact that they're keeping it that's a problem or what's the hang-up, with that little building, I.

T

Think keeping the building created other.

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T

With, for instance,.

T

But it also would have provided an opportunity where the.

C

T

Building did get placed.

I

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T

Don't know if you can see those is it on your screen, so in this layout there's a couple of spaces here.

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T

Here there's spaces here: this is where they have the truck staging area. If you will for the trucks that get um rented and then there's parking along the perimeter here and then these are your parking and loading in the spaces. So there's just put on the layout of the whole site is just jointed, so.

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T

You could have probably laid the parking out differently or better, and maybe the trucks could have been stored somewhere else. I don't know, but because this couldn't move everything else was dictated by that it.

C

Sounds like the applicant saying that the percentage of let's say the ratio of you know uses on either. Side of this building is pretty set, but if but correct me, if I'm hearing you and correctly, but if that building wasn't there, their building could have been that much bigger and that would have alleviated that much surface parking. Is that what that which one thing you're possibly saying could have happened or are you just saying they could have shifted one way or the other, but it would be the same.

T

Foot it would have given him a clean slate. I, don't know what they would have done and.

C

T

They redesigned.

T

And then stud, this kind of dictated drive, aisles and whatnot, given where it was placed and.

C

Then I had another question related to the eye, one because it's in my own life, it seems like I, tend to rent tools and stuff somewhere along this same stretch of road, not too far from here.

T

C

So I'm wondering like: where does this fit into that framework? And what exactly is it that's triggering this to to not be allowed there versus other rental places me? Are they just grandfathered in because they've been along Hiawatha, so long, I.

T

Don't know I mean I, maybe might have a CP and I I. Don't know I guess not sure what the other mm-hmm.

M

T

Your places are yeah, let's.

C

Not ask in case you know, but I knew it was kind of knowing other Lots up to top your head thanks, Hilary mm-hmm I have.

A

Another question Hilary, so the applicant referenced reusing the the buildings, as they are my correct that establishing any sort of truck trailer rental would still require a conditional use, permit and even reuse of those existing buildings. Most likely would trigger some conditions related to landscaping and circulation and.

T

This is the site plan that was sent to me during the continuance period if they were to maintain just use. The existing building carve that up into several storage locker facilities, which was the original, which wasn't the original proposal and then became the proposal and then now isn't. But this would not. They would not be allowed to do truck and trailer rental on this site without that CP. So it was my understanding that if the new development happened, they were going to just do. Self-Service storage not have a truck and trailer rental. Okay,.

F

And if they did, they will not be in compliance.

T

With zoning, and so we would.

B

A

Further questions.

A

There's no one else here to speak. Public hearing is closed and commissioners, we have the three applications before us for the questions, or would someone like to start off with emotion, commissioner,.

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J

Move that we deny the conditional use permit item a to allow truck and trailer rental in the PI 1 light industrial district, okay,.

A

A motion and a second to deny item a the conditional use permits for truck and trailer rental new discussion.

A

Or discuss I'll just add that you.

J

A

I think the comments of the other commissioners really summarized as well. Basically, you know we acknowledge that truck and trailer rental is allowed by conditional use in this location. However, just the amount of alternative compliance is is especially a concern and I think this is a very visible location.

A

It's a fairly large site and you know, typically alternative compliance, especially a significant amount has to do with site constraints that you usually would find on a smaller site or where you're utilizing older buildings, so I think in this case there is an opportunity to come much closer to meeting those standards. Question loopy, Pierre, yeah,.

C

I I can cry I wish that more had been done during the continuance period to who wouldn't be faced with all you know so much of this on on the spur of the moment. So it's unfortunate I wish we could actually consider continuing it just to give him a chance to kind of get their act together and make something happen or not, but it. But given that that's where right now, it is what it is.

A

Right and Commissioner Rockwell.

Q

Also point out, you know this is in a light: rail shed and well. This is a well. We need truck rental places and this is a place that it could could hold. That I.

Q

Don't think that that releases, one from the obligation to make it a pedestrian friendly environment with the built environment and because not only are people coming to this site for reasons of renting a truck or self storage, but they're also walking through this area to get to places in their neighborhood and to get to the Train, and you know I think I mean I was side commenting to to Commissioner Coby.

Q

Oh I live two blocks from the Nicollet location, and you know it's a little chaotic, but because it's small, because it's got we'll retail right next to it and community space. Next to it. You know it doesn't have that great and impact on the environment. You know it could be designed better, but but I think that's important. That is possible to do.

A

Any further discussion hearing none, we have a motion and a second to deny the conditional use permit clerk. Please call the roll.

K

I go go all right: cancer, disappearance, aye, aye.

N

K

Trader Sweezey I ate.

A

Through motion carries next item, be the conditional use permit for building heights.

Q

I will move staff recommendation to deny initial use permit to increase height of the building.

A

N

There's motion and second.

A

To deny item be the conditional use permit or building any discussion.

K

B

K

Right Krauser.

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K

N

K

Squeezy I-80 motion.

A

Carries moving on to item C the site plan review, Commissioner Rockwell.

A

Motion and a second to deny item C the site plan review any discussion. Commissioner looky here, I.

C

Just wanted to comment that I actually am usually in favor of restoring that little service building I think it's a nice little bit of history and I actually in terms of the site itself. That's one part of it that I actually feel is kind of nostalgic and interesting and kind of adds to the history of the area and I in a really interesting architectural way. So in fact, I thought those panels would have been cool on the north side as well as the south side. So I don't know if future iterations of this site.

C

What will happen but I would say that's the one piece that was I was done really well, so I I don't want to having this denial interpreted in any way to be due to that little one-story can gem all.

A

Right is there any further discussion hearing none.

B

A

Have a motion and a second to deny I, don't see quick.

K

Go go all right. Keep here, I know I. All.

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K

Susie I-80 motion.

A

Carries that concludes our discussion on item. 13 also includes our business. For today we have committee the whole on Thursday and we are adjourned.