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From YouTube: January 8, 2018 City Planning Commission
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Minneapolis City Planning Commission Meeting
A
Good
afternoon,
I
will
call
to
order
of
the
January
8th
meeting
in
the
Minneapolis
City
Planning
Commission.
My
name
is
Matt
Brown
I
serve
as
president
of
the
Commission
I'm
joined
today
by
commissioners.
Magri,
no
slack,
sleazy
and
first
item
business
is
to
approve
the
actions
from
the
December
4th
meeting.
They
have
a
motion
to
approve
those
actions,
a
motion
and
a
second
all
in
favor,
and
that
motion
carries
our
next
item.
Business
is
to
organize
the
agenda.
A
You
can
find
hard
copies
of
the
agenda
and
the
hallway
will
determine
which
items
will
be
considered
on
consent
which
will
be
discussed
and
which
will
be
continued
so
starting
at
the
top
of
the
agenda
item.
1
is
Minneapolis
Public
Schools,
that
is
a
vacation
in
the
vicinity
of
Jefferson
Elementary
School,
will
continue
that
item
to
the
January
22nd
meeting,
so
that
will
be
considered
that
item
2
is
at
40
50
and
a
half
and
40
82
and
a
half
Washington
Avenue
north.
That
is
a
minor
subdivision,
is.
A
To
speak
in
opposition
to
or
modify
the
staff
recommendation
on
item
to
see,
no
one
will
put
two
on
consent
item
three:
is
a
3450
Grand
Avenue
South,
two
variances
related
to
a
new
residential
structure.
There
is
anyone
wishing
to
speak
in
opposition
to
or
modify
the
staff
recommendation
on
item
3c?
No
one
will
put
that
on
consent.
Item
four
is
resource
recovery,
housing
at
719,
East,
18th
Street.
That's
a
conditional
use
permit
for
a
community
residential
facility.
Is
anyone
wishing
to
speak
in
opposition
to
or
modify
the
staff
recommendation
on
item?
Four?
A
A
Item
six
is
at
712
15th,
Avenue
North
East.
That's
a
conditional
use
permit
to
establish
a
dwelling
unit
in
the
industrial
living
overlay
district.
Does
anyone
wishing
to
speak
in
opposition
to
or
modify
the
staff
recommendation
on
item
6c?
No
one
will
put
that
on
consent.
Item
seven
is
sunshine
adult
day
carrots,
26:12
and
26:14.
First
Avenue
South.
That
is
a
conditional
use
permit
for
a
development
achievement.
Center.
Is
anyone
wishing
to
speak
in
opposition
to
or
modify
the
staff
recommendation
on
item
seven?
A
If
there
is
no
one
will
put
that
on
consent.
Item
8
is
the
Loon
grocery
remodel
at
2501
Lyndale
Avenue
South.
That's
a
rezoning
and
conditional
use
permit
for
a
shopping
center
as
anyone
wishing
to
speak
in
opposition
to
or
modify
the
staff
recommendation
on
item
eight.
We
do
have
someone
here
for
item
eight,
so
we
can
discuss
that
item.
Nine
is
a
shopping
center
at
renovation,
a
24,
25,
West,
Broadway
of
rezoning
and
conditional
use
permit.
That
item
will
be
continued
to
the
January
22nd
meeting.
So
that
will
be
considered.
A
A
Put
that
in
consent
item
11
is
Washburn
high
school
at
201,
West
49th
Street?
That's
a
conditional
use
permit
for
a
building
addition.
So
anyone
wishing
to
speak
in
opposition
to
or
modify
the
staff
recommendation
on
item
11.
Actually,
that's
for
applications
related
to
a
building
addition.
If
there's
no
one
with
item
11
on
consent,
item
12
is
a
33
29
Nicolette
Avenue,
that
is
a
conditional
use,
permit
actually
several
applications
for
a
12
unit.
Residential
development.
Is
anyone
wishing
to
speak
in
opposition
to
or
modify
the
staff
recommendation
on
item
12?
A
Item
13
is
a
408
4th
Street
southeast
several
applications
for
a
new
residential
building
at
that
location.
Is
anyone
wishing
to
speak
in
opposition
to
or
modify
the
staff
recommendation
on
item
13?
So
we
someone
here
so
we
can
discuss
item
13
item
14
as
the
hook-and-ladder
apartments
at
22,
12,
23,
16
and
23
20s
and
Street
northeast
that
several
applications
for
a
new
residential
project
at
that
location?
Is
anyone
wishing
to
speak
in
opposition
to
or
modify
the
staff
recommendation?
So
we
have
a
couple
people
here
for
item
14.
A
And
item
15
is
the
expo
at
200,
University
Avenue
southeast
to
15
second
Street
southeast
to
23
third
Avenue
South,
East
and
229
second
Street
southeast
several
applications
for
a
new
residential
building
will
discuss
item
15.
Just
so
I
have
a
sense.
How
many
of
you
are
here
for
that
item?
We
do
have
people
then.
Finally,
item
16
is
a
zoning
code
text.
Amendment
related
to
billboards.
We
will
discuss
that
item
and
again,
just
so
I
have
a
sense.
Are
there?
A
A
We
have
no
committee
of
the
whole
consent
agenda,
so
we'll
move
on
to
the
public
hearing
portion
of
the
meeting,
we'll
start
with
a
public
hearing
for
the
items
on
the
consent
agenda,
so
I'll
open
the
public
hearing
for
the
items
on
the
consent
agenda.
Again,
that's
items
two
three,
four:
five:
six,
seven,
ten
eleven
and
twelve.
Once
again
is
anyone
wishing
to
speak
any
of
those
see?
No
one
I
will
close
the
public
hearing
and
may
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
consent
agenda.
A
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
all
in
favor.
That
motion
carries
I'll,
also
ask
for
a
motion
to
continue
items:
1
&
9
to
the
January
22nd
meeting.
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
all
in
favor,
and
that
motion
carries
next.
We'll
move
on
to
our
items
for
a
discussion
and
our
first
item
for
discussion
is
item
8
2501,
Lyndale,
Avenue,
South,.
C
Good
evening,
members
of
the
Commission,
this
is
a
request
located
at
2501
Lyndale
Avenue
South,
it's
located
at
the
southeast
corner
of
25th
and
Lyndale
Avenue
south
the
applicant
is
petitioning
to
rezone
the
property
which
is
currently
at
c1,
neighborhood
commercial
district
to
the
c2
neighborhood
commercial
district,
as
well
as
requesting
a
conditional
use
permit
to
allow
a
shopping
center.
You
can
see
here
the
current
zoning
in
the
area
had
surrounded
by
or
two
with
some
r5
zoning
to
the
east.
There
are
a
number
of
commercial
nodes
throughout
this
area.
C
It's
also
on
a
commercial
corridor,
Lindell
of
new
south
here's,
an
aerial
image.
Looking
at
the
existing
building.
There
are
no
proposed
changes
for
the
exterior
the
building.
What
they're
requesting
to
do
is
add
a
wall
in
between
or
in
on
the
interior
of
the
store
to
divide
it
into
two
different
commercial
tenants.
One
side
will
be
the
tobacco
shop
which
there
currently
is
tobacco
sales.
This
would
be
bring
the
store
into
compliance
with
the
new
changes
in
regulations
with
regards
to
tobacco
sale
and
then
maintain
the
grocery
store
on
the
other
side
of
it.
C
D
C
D
E
F
Thank
you,
a
mother
rewarded
with
the
NMR
kit.
This
is
their
own
birthday.
A
25th
or
one
lyndale
has
been
a
smoke
shop
for
quite
some
time
now
for
years
and
years
with
the
new
ordinance
now
to
move
the
smoke
shop
to
be
an
exclusive
one
and
we
have
to
have
a
separate
door
in
order
for
so
the
mental
tobacco
for
the
adults
and
that's
why
we
move
for
this
new
remodel.
F
We
will
separate
the
space
into
one
third
to
the
deli
and
he
could
create
some
seating
and
there
is
we'll
have
a
separate
door
and
we
will
cut
down
on
the
number
of
the
groceries
and
also
economically
we're
doing
this.
One
block
from
the
existent
location
Aldi
is
coming
in,
so
we're
not
going
to
have
no
chance
to
survive
economically.
So
we
move
to
do
this.
G
F
Think
there
will
be
a
wall
separating
the
two
entities.
If
you
look
at
it
and
then
both
will
have
a
back
access
to
the
bathrooms
to
the
two
stores
will
have
a
separate
access
from
the
back
to
the
to
the
bathroom,
but
they
will
be
separated
by
door
and
wall.
So
there
will
be
completely
separated
business.
D
F
A
G
G
B
A
I
A
J
Commissioners,
the
c2
district
has
the
same
height
limitation,
same
density
allowance
as
the
c1
District
same
floor
area
ratio
allowed.
The
c2
district
allows
a
much
wider
range
of
uses
and
would
allow
larger
individual
commercial
uses
then
than
the
c1
district.
Those
are
the
primary
differences.
The
site
does
have
the
pedestrian
oriented
overlay
district,
so
no
automobile
related
uses
like
auto
repair
shops,
drive-thru
use.
That
kind
of
thing
would
be
allowed
on
the
site,
even
with
the
c2
zoning.
A
A
I'll
just
comment
and
I
certainly
understand
the
speaker's
concerns,
I
think
at
this
particular
location.
Since
it
is
a
smaller
lot,
it
could
be
difficult
to
redevelop
with
something
very
large
on
its
own
and
also
with
the
pedestrian
oriented
overlay
district.
The
uses
that
are
allowed
there
art
all
that
much
different
from
c1.
We
have.
We
do
see
a
lot
of
c2
on
commercial
corridors
like
this
one
like
Lindale,
and
there
has
been
kind
of
a
change
in
character
in
that
general
area
over
the
years
with
a
number
of
different
projects.
A
H
L
G
Just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
applicant
was
aware
that
conditional
condition
3
under
the
conditional
use
permit
is
gonna
require
him
to
remove
that
film
and
so
I'm
gonna
explore
some
other
means
of
screening
the
Sun,
such
as
an
awning
or
some
sort
of
decorative
something
other
than
blocking
the
windows.
So.
M
N
Good
afternoon
president
Brown
planning
commissioners
item
number
13
is
for
the
property
located
at
408.
Fourth
Street
southeast
property,
zoned
r5,
multiple
family
district,
as
well
as
UA.
It's
in
the
university
area
overlay
district.
The
applicant
is
proposing
a
new
apartment
building
with
27
micro
units.
O
N
The
subject
property
is
presently
vacant.
It's
immediately
adjacent
to
another,
multiple
family
dwelling
on
the
adjacent
property.
Most
of
us
probably
recognize
it's.
The
blue
two-story
structure,
that
is,
has
the
townhouse
style,
where
the
units
access
on
the
side
yard,
so
that
property
is
also
shown
here
on
the
site
plan.
N
There's
some
original
intent
to
kind
of
bring
this
together
as
a
phased
project
to
make
improvements
to
that
property
at
412,
4th
Street
southeast,
as
well
as
far
away
at
4th
Street
southeast,
because
the
improvements
to
412
don't
require
a
public
hearing
and
it
would
be
a
completely
separate
project.
We're
just
reviewing
408
4th
Street
southeast
today,
just
to
be
clear.
Some
another
important
note
is:
there
is
an
access,
easement
agreement
between
the
two
properties
and
that
has
been
recorded
and
they,
the
document
recording
number.
N
Essentially,
what
it
allows
vehicles
to
do
is
enter
into
the
curb
cut
here
at
the
4th
Street
southeast,
for
this
property
you'd
be
able
to
access
the
driveway
and
the
parking
off
of
this
driveway,
and
then
you
would
be
able
to
access
the
rear
parking
at
412.
4Th
Street
southeast
all
of
the
vehicles
would
then
exit
out
of
the
curb
cut
here
back
out
on
the
4th
Street
southeast,
which
is
a
one-way.
G
N
So
I've
already
identified
the
applications
requested
staff
felt
as
though
the
applications
met
the
required
findings,
particularly
around
meeting
transportation
goals
being
approximate
to
an
Activities
Center
being
within
the
University
of
Minnesota
growth
area
staff
identified
several
areas
of
alternative
compliance
through
the
site
plan.
Review
staff
has
reflected
those
requests
via
the
conditions
of
approval.
I
have
discussed
the
conditions
with
the
applicant
and
they
are
in
agreement
with
all
the
stated
conditions
of
approval.
Earlier
today,
I
received
two
notes
of
public
comment.
The
first
was
from
the
Marcy
homes,
Neighborhood
Association.
N
They
have
requests
requested
that
the
Planning
Commission
consider
a
continuance
for
one
to
two
cycles
for
this
proposed
project
to
allow
the
applicant
time
to
come
back
to
the
Neighborhood
Association
they
had
met
with
them.
The
applicant
meant
there
with
Marci
Holmes
in
November
and
we're
anticipating
his
return
in
December,
which
did
not
happen
so
they've
asked
for
a
continuance
and
we
also
received
comments
from
a
neighbor
across
the
street
stating
opposition
to
the
project.
Those
were
included
in
your
packets
for
today.
That
concludes
my
presentation.
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
All.
B
D
N
A
P
Evening,
commissioners,
my
name
is
William
wells,
I
am
the
project
architect
and
applicant
on
the
project,
and
I
just
wanted
to
give
a
little
bit
more
of
an
overview
on
behalf
of
the
architect
and
developer.
This
is
a
bird's-eye
view
of
the
block
that
was
not
submitted
with
the
application,
but
just
gives
a
little
bit
more
contextual
understanding
of
what
the
height
of
our
project
is
in
relation
to
the
block
and
sort
of
urban
context.
Our
project,
as
you've
seen
proposed,
there
is
phase
one
of
Phase
two,
the
two-phase
project.
P
The
second
phase
in
the
summer
will
be
to
remodel
the
existing
blue
building
at
412
for
Street
southeast.
So
this
project
is
mostly
studio
apartments.
It's
mid-market,
new
housing,
construction,
I've
done
a
project,
that's
similar
to
this
that
you
approved
last
year
at
2,
620,
Essex
Street,
which
is
about
a
mile
and
a
half
from
this
site.
That
building
is
fully
rented
and
there
is
a
waiting
list
just
to
share
with
you
what
the
demand
is
for
mid-market
new
construction.
P
Our
rents
of
this
building
is
about
half
with
what
new
construction
is,
so
we're
very
confident
that
this
is
going
to
be
very
popular
and
rentable
for
the
people
that
live
and
work
around
the
neighborhood.
We
our
target
market
for
this
project
is
a
Veda
students
that
go
to
school,
kitty-corner
from
the
block,
we're
gonna,
be
heavily
marketing
to
them,
and
then
people
that
work
in
northeast.
So
the
just
a
couple
of
things
I
wanted
to
point
out
there
before
I
move
that
slide
that
we
are
not
the
tallest
building
on
the
block.
P
I
think
that's
important
to
notice
that
that
there's
a
new
building
clean
under
construction,
kitty-corner
dross,
which
is
taller
than
us,
we're
also,
if
you
can
zoom
in
on
that
we're
stepping
the
building
back
on
the
fourth
storey,
just
to
help
the
scale
of
the
building
from
the
street
to
make
it
read
like
a
three
storey
building
and
then
align
the
facade
closer
with
the
church.
We're
also
stepping
back
from
the
church,
which
is
a
very
subtle
but
important.
P
Urban
design
move
that
when
you're
driving
down
the
street
or
walking
down
the
sidewalk,
you
catch
the
edge
of
the
church
and
it
stands
for
word
on
the
street.
So
we
think
that's
very
important.
So
this
this
is
the.
This
is
the
image
that
is
in
the
staff
report
and
I
think
it's
caused
a
little
bit
of
a
stir
with
a
neighborhood
association.
I
met
with
the
Neighborhood
Association
in
November,
which
is
approximately
two
months
ago.
P
We
talked
about
remodeling,
the
exterior
of
412
4th
Street
southeast,
at
the
same
time
that
we're
gonna
do
408
4th
Street,
and
that
is
our
intention
to
do
that.
So
you
would
actually
never
see
the
project
like
this
and
I
think
this
has
caused
a
little
bit
of
a
shock,
but
this
is
actually
a
two-phase
project
for
financing
reasons
which
the
owner
is
going
to
explain
further.
P
Once
we
come
back
to
staff
in
the
summer
for
phase
2,
the
project
will
look
more
like
that
and
then
it
begins
to
fit
in
once
we
remodel
the
exterior
for
12,
so
I
think
it's
important
to
just
understand
where
we're
going
with
the
project.
But
it
is
a
two-phase
to
different
banks
to
different
parcels,
to
step
process
of
doing
that.
P
P
P
So
I
think
there
might
have
been
a
little
bit
of
misunderstanding,
but
there
is
a
fence,
the
full
height,
between
the
parking
lot
and
the
the
church
there.
The
parking
lot
is
fully
screened,
100%
screened
with
a
fence
and
then
it's
covered
with
with
a
hardy
board
or
a
fiber
cement
and
then
painted
to
match
the
building
putting
arborvitaes
in
that
area.
We
feel
it's
not
going
to
survive,
because
that
area
is
primarily
in
shadow,
so
we're
asking
that
for
the
item
four
be
removed
or
changed
item
five
of
the
site
plan
review.
P
It's
the
staff
report
says:
there's
six
materials
on
the
facade.
There
are
actually
only
three
materials
on
the
building
facade,
there's
a
burnished
block.
There
is
a
fiber
cement
and
there
is
a
vertical
metal
panel.
So
we're
looking
for
some
clarification
from
the
Planning
Commission
and
staff,
recognizing
that
there
are
only
three
materials
on
the
facade
and
then
item
eight.
This
is
just
the
final
item.
We're
looking
for
some
clarification.
P
It's
saying
the
site
plan
shall
be
limited
limit
the
impervious
service
in
the
front
yard,
to
six
feet,
walkway
or
bicycle
parking.
We
don't.
We
don't
think
there's
a
technical
way
to
do
a
walkway
and
guests
bicycle
parking
right
there.
We
don't
think
we
can
do
it
in
six
feet.
That's
just
not
enough!
So
we're
asking
the
Planning
Commission
to
remove
that
and
approve
what's
proposed
tonight.
G
B
P
G
P
G
P
G
G
You
just
just
wanted
to,
and
then
lastly,
the
in
terms
of
the
arborvitaes
you've
had
a
site
plan
up
that
showed
where
you
were
concerned,
there's
a
fence
and
then
it
appears
that
you
have
a
wall
to
your
parking
structure
and
I'm,
just
wondering
if
you
have
concerns
about
that
space
from
a
stepped
head
point
of
view.
Given
that
there's
not
a
lot
of
eyes
on
it,
but
it
is
an
opportunity
for
things
to
happen
if
there
aren't
dense,
shrubberies
or
arborvitaes
there
to
kind
of
prevent
people
from
doing
things.
Oh.
G
R
P
D
N
N
The
trace
here
include
a
pad,
so
our
thought
was-
and
this
was
actually
a
suggestion-
also
by
Public
Works-
was
to
increase
the
amount
of
landscaping
in
the
boulevard
and
I,
and
we
went
further
because
we,
our
recommendation,
have
to
do
with
on
the
property
and
talking
about
making
this
more
of
a
walkway
connection,
but
then
also
kind
of
creating
have
a
friend
with
either
a
row
of
shrubbery
and
or
fence.
Okay,.
D
We
could
take
everything
to
the
east
of
that
last
bollard
there
and
make
that
a
green,
something
right,
I
mean
I,
don't
I
understand
what
you're
saying
like
you
cut
on
the
on
your
bike
and
cut
across
the
concrete
and
then
you're
there,
but
like
that,
doesn't
matter
on
a
practical
level
you're
getting
off
your
bike
anyway.
So
who
cares
so
I?
Think?
Let's
find
a
way
to
describe
that
space?
I'm,
not
sure
I
described
it
totally
well,
but
so
we'd
have
a
six
foot,
drive
aisle!
Sorry,
not
right!
D
A
N
N
S
N
To
page
8,
this
is
how
staff
calculated
the
quantity
of
materials
separating
out
the
corrugated
metal
from
the
metal
panel
siding.
There
are
certain
things
just
on
the
front,
for
example,
where
we
saw
it
rock
face
CMU
and
burnished
on
the
sides
and
rear,
so
it
certainly
could
have
just
been
an
oversight
or
a
missed
label
and
that's
an
easy
remedy.
N
If
it's
intended
to
be
the
rock
face,
CMU
on
both
the
front
and
then
the
three
sides
that
makes
sense,
but
then
lastly,
I
would
say
that
the
materials
were
inconsistent
on
the
front
versus
the
sides
and
rare,
and
certainly
this
Commission
has
seen
this
issue
before
so
just
making
sure
that
we
have
consistency.
Three
strong
materials
similar
in
color,
making
sure
that
the
all
four
sides
appear
to
be
consistent.
That's
really
the
intent
of
that
condition.
On
number
five
for
the
site
plan
review
all.
G
T
G
G
A
S
The
cerise
Lewis
I'm
at
316,
fourth
Avenue
South
East
I'm,
representing
the
Church
of
Minneapolis
and
I,
have
a
list
of
items
that
I'd
like
to
discuss
this
afternoon
in
relation
to
the
proposal
as
I
was
listening,
a
few
things
came
to
mind
that
I
would
like
to
address
before
I
get
to
our
list.
The
first
item
is
currently
and
I:
don't
have
a
rendering
up
there
drawing
of
the
two
buildings
that
they're
proposed
the
new
building
in
the
existing.
S
But
my
first
question
is
right
now
on
the
property:
that's
not
being
discussed
today,
there
are
entrance
doors
where
the
driveway
is
so.
My
first
question
as
what
happens
to
those
entrance
doors
when
we
put
the
new
structure
up
and
there's
now
more
cars
there
and
the
amount
of
space
between
the
building
and
driveway
is
small,
so
I
don't
know
if
that
needs
to
be
addressed.
S
Secondly,
what
type
of
signage
is
planned
for
this
new
building,
because
that
hasn't
been
discussed
at
all
and
from
my
understanding,
most
of
the
properties
have
some
type
of
signage
to
get
new
tenants
or
whatnot.
So
that's
another
question
that
came
up
moving
forward
to
the
list
of
items
that
we
want
to
discuss
is
first
of
all
parking
we
understand
from
the
notice
that
went
out
is
that
they're
requesting
a
variance
to
them
on
a
street
parking
and
I.
Don't
think
it's
we
value
right
now.
S
The
small
number
of
parking
spots
that
are
available
so
being
a
part
of
the
church
we've
been
in
this
location
since
2006,
and
we
struggle
for
parking,
marci
homeschool
does
not
have
a
parking
lot.
We
do
not
have
a
parking
lot.
There
are
limited
parking
lots
for
the
apartment
buildings
already
in
the
area,
so
we
all
buy
for
the
parking
on
the
street
if
there
is
a
snow
emergency.
50%
of
that
parking
is
now
gone.
Unfortunately,
on
Sunday
mornings,
when
we
have
our
main
service,
we
can
park
on
4th
Street.
S
However,
that
is
taken
away
if
there's
a
snow
emergency
and
we're
being
from
Minnesota.
We
know
that
it's
winter
for
six
months
out
of
the
year,
and
so
that
is
a
big
big
problem.
When
you
are
going
to
talk
about
taking
a
27
unit
facility
and
take
away
parking
spots,
grant
if
they're
putting
in
some
parking
but
you're
now
going
to
take
away
spots
that
we
don't
even
have
so
that's
our
you
know
huge
huge
issue
for
us.
S
Second
to
that
is
our
church
has
been
in
existence
since
1903
to
my
understanding
and
there's
always
been
an
understanding
of
being
able
to
get
to
the
back
of
that
property
for
access
to
the
trash
or
access
to
the
back
of
the
building
and
with
the
proposed
structure.
There's
no
access,
that's
going
to
be
available
for
our
garbage
or
waste
contractors.
So
that's
something
that
is
on
the
table
for
us
as
well.
S
That's
a
problem,
and
so
now
we're
talking
about
putting
in
another
property
for
the
same
owner.
To
my
understanding
and
that
again,
what
is
our
expectation
for
the
upkeep
of
the
property
and
then
the
tenants?
We've
had
multiple
situations,
especially
on
move-in
and
move-out
dates,
where
they
do
their
clean-out
of
their
apartments
and
our
dumpster
becomes
their
dumb
ball
and
we've
complained
about
that
and
it
continues
to
happen.
S
We
had
permission
to
put
a
pastor
parking
sign
up
in
the
parking
area,
because
we
don't
have
parking,
we
did
a
negotiation
than
they
approved
for
us
to
park.
There
we've
had
the
sign
taken
down
two
times
within
the
past
six
months.
So
right
now
there
are
pasture
sign,
is
no
longer
there,
and
so
our
question
is
by
you
know:
marketing
to
students.
We
get
more
students
doing
similar
things,
so
we
exponentially
increase
the
incidence
and
opportunity
of
incidents
for
continued
problems
of
this
nature
and
for
us
that
continues
to
be
an
issue.
S
Finally,
just
getting
to
the
proposed
structure
and
the
way
that
our
church
is
situated
right
now,
our
church
is
not
listed
as
a
national
site,
historic
site
in
the
state
of
Minnesota,
but
it
is
a
very
nice
older
building.
It
has
stature
in
the
area
that
it's
in
it's
known.
Many
people
come
from
all
over
to
take
photos
of
the
stained-glass
windows.
S
This
proposed
site
completely
blocks
all
sunlight
from
getting
in
on
our
I
believe
it's
the
eastern
side
of
the
building,
and
so
my
question
is:
what's
the
plan
for
us
for
that
pushing
back
the
amount
of
space
between
the
buildings
and
putting
a
fence
there
eliminates
the
opportunity
for
us
to
get
to
our
underground
storage
spaces
that
we
have
connected
to
our
building.
So
again,
we
have
lots
of
things
that
are
being
left
out
as
it
pertains
to
putting
in
this
building
in
this
very,
very
small
space.
A
E
G
U
You
president
Brown
and
planning
commissioners,
my
name
is
Chris
fountain
flogger
I'm,
the
executive
director
of
the
Marcy
homes,
Neighborhood
Association
580,000,
is
southeast.
When
we
learned
at
this
project
in
November
2017
mr.
wells
in
foriegn
Marcy
homes,
there
were
two
components
to
this
proposal:
25
to
30
micro
units
at
408.
Fourth
Street,
coupled
with
an
exterior
remodel
of
an
existing
building
at
the
adjacent
lot
at
412,
when
complete
the
two
projects
would
share
a
driveway.
Thus
far
only
408
fourth
has
advanced.
Mr.
U
wells
has
not
met
with
the
Association
to
discuss
the
details
of
this
most
recent
plan
Leslie,
we
are
not
able
to
provide
any
reasonably
informed
feedback
on
these
overall
designs.
However,
we
do
have
concerns
that
the
parking
proposed
at
408
fourth
isn't
adequate
for
this
29
bedroom
building,
one
that
would
normally
require
fourteen
parking
spaces.
This
application
does
not
consider
the
reality
of
the
residents
guests,
nearby
workers
and
commuters,
who
already
demonstrably
over
park
this
area.
U
While
our
association
fully
appreciates
this
project
is
on
the
transit
route
and
existing
bike
lanes
and
has
consistently
advocated
for
better
transit
and
more
bike
lanes
in
that
area.
The
fact
remains
that
the
aforementioned
groups
still
heavily
bring
cars
into
this
pocket
of
our
neighborhood.
We
are
also
concerned
that
there
are
already
a
number
of
cars
that
currently
park
on
the
vacant
lot
under
consideration
today
at
408.
Fourth,
once
this
proposed
building
is
complete,
these
cars
will
be
back
onto
the
oversaturated
side
streets
surrounding
the
property.
U
We
are
therefore
asking
the
Planning
Commission
to
either
delay
the
ruling
on
408
forth
408
forth
for
one
or
two
cycles
in
order
for
the
applicant
to
present
the
plans
for
the
two
properties
together,
even
if
they
are
built
on
two
different
timelines
and
barring
that,
but
barring
that
delay,
we
ask
that
the
multiple
applications
for
parking
variances
be
denied.
Thank
you.
For
your
time.
All.
A
V
Name
is
Orlan
Abel
and
I
have
the
property
to
the
south
of
this
proposal
and
I'm,
asking
that
variances
be
denied
for
B,
which
is
to
reduce
the
minimum
year.
You
we're
yard
setback
and
also
D
the
variance
to
reduce
the
minimum
off
street
parking.
Now,
both
problems
can
be
solved
at
the
building
was
just
a
little
bit
smaller
I'm
concerned.
If
I
wanted
to
do
the
same
thing
as
proposed
at
408
and
I
needed
to
have
a
variance
five
feet
from
my
line,
whether
or
not
it
would
be
granted.
V
Problem
is
other
people
that
mentioned
parking
is
a
problem,
and
we
should
not
assume
that,
because
that
people,
we
should
assume
that
people
most
of
the
residents
will
have
cars.
I
think
this
is
their
experience.
Today,
I
was
working
at
the
building
and
up
and
on
4th
Street.
There
was
not
a
parking
place
to
be
had
there
was
not
a
parking
place
to
be
had
in
front
of
my
building
on
University
Avenue,
and
it's
mostly
taken
up
by
marci
homes
open
school.
V
They
have
about
70
staff
positions
and
they
only
provide
off
street
parking
for
about
seven
of
their
staff,
and
so
it
takes
up
all
of
the
space
around
there
and
but
also
remind
you
that
you
approved
a
variance
for
four,
oh
one,
fourth
grade
or
University
Avenue
southeast
couple
months
ago,
which
I
objected
to
and
you're
granted
the
variance
there
as
well.
So
there's
another
25
30
residents
who
are
going
to
be
parking
meeting
curve
type
parking
in
the
area.
V
Sometimes,
when
I
come,
I
have
to
park
down
the
street
to
service
my
own
building,
and
so
the
parking
pressures
that
have
increased
not
decreased
a
few
years
ago.
I
had
more
space,
but
every
single
tenant
that
applies
student
or
otherwise
as
a
car
and
I
think
we
should
assume
that
that's
the
case
for
these
new
properties
as
well.
My
concerns
were
dismissed
a
couple
of
months
ago
on
the
401
southeast,
but
that's
going
to
add
to
the
problem
in
relation
to,
in
addition
to
the
one
that's
being
proposed
here,
thanks
for
your
time.
Thank.
A
W
Good
evening,
Chad
grab
four
one:
seven,
six
on
oneself,
Eagan,
Minnesota
I-
am
the
ownership
group
applicant
for
the
408,
eighth
Street,
our
408
fourth
Street
southeast,
that
is
planning
on
purchasing
that
vacant
land
that
has
been
vacant
following
us
eight
to
ten
years,
and
we
have
put
together
a
group
that
has
proposed
what
is
the
27th
unit,
building
that
what
we
believe
is
a
creative
space
of
living,
that
is
on
a
transit
route.
It
gives
opportunity
for
affordability
for
tenants
to
come
in
and
take
advantage
of
a
corridor
of
the
Marcy
neighborhood.
W
Market
rate
apartments,
which
range
from
an
average
rent
of
about
1600
a
month
we're
proposing
our
average
rent
of
approximately
900
to
1100
a
month,
and
it
creates
an
opportunity
for
these
guys
to
live
in
an
environment
that
they
don't
have
to
rely
on
a
vehicle
for
a
source
of
major
transportation.
They
have
the
transit
route.
That
is
right
there.
W
They
have
bike
routes
and
all
the
amenities
and
six
abilities
that
they
need
to
take
advantage
of
the
urban
living
that
is
driving
here
in
Minneapolis,
I
alone,
own
multiple
parcels
in
the
Marcy
neighborhood
and
in
a
stakeholder
and
just
we're
committed
to
providing
a
product
that
will
help
a
neighborhood.
We
understand
the
neighborhoods
concerns
on
the
parcel
next
to
the
408
fourth
Street
southeast
parcel,
which
is
412
and
has
not
being
reviewed
this
evening.
However,
we
are
open
to
once
we
get
approval
for
this
project.
W
W
W
In
response
to
that
originally,
when
we
proposed,
obviously
there
was
some
improvements
that
you
should
that
are
shown
in
the
images
that
we
would
do
to
that
412
4th
Street
southeast
structure.
However,
the
reason
why
we
have
to
do
it
in
phase
this
is
there's
multiple
variables
that
affect
the
development
process
of
this.
This
parcel.
We
need
approval
before
we
can
put
our
financing
in
place
and
I
in
response
as
a
land
owner
of
the
Marcy
homeowners,
neighborhood
I
want
that
building
to
blend
and
look
good
for
our
investment
for
our
development.
W
Q
A
E
Name
is
Tucker
319
fifth
Street
southeast
for
the
last
six
months
of
2017
I
was
the
land
use
chair
for
Mercy
homes.
I
now
offer
that
position,
but
one
of
the
last
projects
we
reviewed
was
this
and
I
did
have
an
agreement
with
mr.
wells
that
we
would
do
this
in
two
phases.
He
did
come
in
the
November
meeting
and
we
looked
at
it
and
the
committee
was
happy
to
fill
in
a
vacant
piece
of
land
and
also
very
enthusiastic
about
fixing
up
the
facade
of
I.
E
Think
it's
412,
the
blue
vinyl
building,
which
perhaps
mr.
Wittenberg
and
we'll
remember,
resulted
in
the
city
coming
up
with
a
whole
new
set
of
standards
for
one
to
four
unit
buildings.
So
it
was
a
great
help.
I
hope
that
these
two
projects
would
come
together.
What
a
nice
building
and
vacant
lot
and
fix
up
this
eyesore
that's
been
with
us
for
way
too
many
years
as
it
happened.
The
applicant
did
not
come
up
to
the
either
the
December
or
January
meeting
just
last
week,
so
the
community
never
got
to
see
the
final
product.
E
Just
discussing
the
general
ideas
we
at
that
one
meeting
we
did
urge
that
the
applicant
talked
to
the
church.
I
haven't.
Definitely
that
did
not
happen.
I
think
we
would
do
well
to
delay
this
a
cycle
or
two,
so
we
can
be
reassured
that
how
this
vinyl
building
is
going
to
get
fixed
up
and
also
some
of
the
church's
concerns
can
be
handled
and
it
sounded
like.
You
had
a
number
of
concerns
with
design
that
perhaps
can
be
resolved
in
the
meantime.
So.
A
X
A
K
A
K
K
Unfortunately,
you
know
I
have
a
lot
of
concerns
with
the
existing
project,
specifically
all
the
variances,
which
I
do
think
could
potentially
be
accommodated
if
both
sites
were
looked
at
together.
I
also
have
issues
with
two
driveways
I
have
concerns
with
the
fact
that
I
sounds
like
a
lot
of
the
adjacent
landowners
haven't
been
heard
as
part
of
the
process,
and
so
that
would
be
a
motion
that
I
would
like
to
make.
But
I'd
like
to
sort
of
gauge
the
appetite
of
my
fellow
commissioners
and.
G
I
guess
I
I
would
be
leaning
toward
a
continuance
as
well.
I
feel
as
though
I'd
like
to
see
the
revised
like
playing
come
back,
examining
a
reduction
impervious
surfaces,
an
increase
in
landscape
elements,
I
think
we
need
to
have
that.
Blank
wall
address
whether
it's
a
plant
that
won't
die
or
whether
it's
actually
making
it
look.
Nice
I
I
think
that
there's
a
benefit
to
meeting
with
the
neighborhood.
G
G
You
know
my
stance
on
that
and
then
just
in
general,
I
I
know,
I
was
considering
this
building
mainly
from
the
south
in
a
way
because
it's
a
one-way
street
and
how
you
experience
it,
but
I
I'm
thinking
about
that
church
and
I
I,
don't
know
how
you
mitigate
the
daylight
issue,
but
I
am
looking
at
the
episod
thinking
wow.
That's
a
pretty
monotonous
facade
to
have
to
look
at
along
the
whole
length
of
the
northern
side,
so
I
I
do
think.
There's
a
lot
of
things.
G
D
Mr.
Rockwell
I
would
add,
I
would
support
a
continuance
and
I
would
add
on
the
variances.
You
know,
I
I
tend
to
support
variances
for
production
and
parking
and
I
would
here
as
well.
Just
I
think
that
when
you
have
fewer
parking
spaces,
you
tend
to
attract
tenants
who
a
different
kind
of
tenant.
You
know,
but
you
don't
have
a
parking
spot.
So
that's
part
of
this.
D
That's
part
of
the
calculation
of
attendance,
but
I
do
think
that
it
looks
like
we've
only
got
the
four
guest
parking
bike
parking
spots
and
if
we're
gonna
have
you
know,
just
rely
on
transit
and
bikes
and
pedestrian.
We're
gonna
have
bike
parking
spots
to
actually
flush
that
out.
So
whether
so
I
think
that
variance
needs
to
be
looked
at
in
in
combination
with
everything
else.
A
Y
I'm
agree,
no,
the
question
may
be
first,
a
for
the
applicant
kind
of
on
the
same
note,
so
we've
got
a
bunch
of
applications
here
for
a
new
building,
and
then
we
have
this
sort
of
Phase
two,
for
what
pretty
much
looks
like
a
remodel
I
mean.
Would
there
be
more
applications
that
are
associated
with
the
phase
two,
or
is
that
just
something
that
would
go
through
administrative
leave
if
they
did
that
in
a
few
months,
Thank.
N
You
Commissioner
McCree
now
originally,
when
I
met
with
the
applicant,
we
had
talked
about
considering
maybe
a
cluster
redevelopment,
looking
at
two
structures
and
relating
the
two
as
a
conditional
use
and
having
them
looked
more
similar,
which
is
really
the
goal
and
intent
as
you
have
seen,
and
some
of
the
other
renderings.
Ultimately,
they
decided
not
to
pursue
that.
So
I
think
your
point
is
well
made.
N
It
really
is
going
to
be
a
remodel,
which
is
administrative
and
it
would
be
done
not
even
likely
by
myself,
but
a
colleague
in
zoning
for
exterior
remodel
the
new
project
would
be
subject
to
the
approval
of
the
the
Planning
Commission.
That
being
said,
we
did
say,
as
the
there
is
a
relationship
between
the
parking
areas.
We
did
ask
for
additional
landscaping
at
the
forks.
Well,
fourth
Street
southeast
side,
so
we
feel
as
though
that
was
related
to
the
site
plan
between
the
two
properties.
N
A
N
Correct
you
can
see
that
on
the
site
plan
they're
still
showing
the
entrances
on
the
interior
side
of
the
existing
townhome
building,
they
do
have
one
entrance
facing
front
which
was
required
at
the
time
that
this
was
constructed.
There
is
a
walkway
here
and
they're
also
proposing
to
do
a
dense
row
of
shrubbery
to
improve
the
visual
aspects
of
those
who
are
entering
and
exiting
the
townhomes
from
what
would
otherwise
appear
to
be
an
open
parking
garage
as
a
review
as
they're
leaving.
A
U
A
Questions
for
if,
if
there
are
none
I
guess
we
can
discuss
this
further
or
if
someone
would
like
to
make
a
motion
that
would
be
appropriate
as
well.
I'll
mention
that
since
our
calendar
for
2018
has
now
been
established
past
January,
if
we
were
to
have
a
motion
to
continue,
it
should
be
to
the
January
22nd
meeting.
G
Just
had
a
question
just
because
I'm
not
sure
if
the
Neighborhood
Association
already
met
last
week,
they
won't
probably
meet
for
another
month,
and
so
I
worry
if
we
just
continue
it
to
a
couple
weeks
that
they
won't
have
the
opportunity
to
actually
have
a
meeting.
So
if
we
said,
excuse
me
one
cycle
on
the
assumption
that
City
Council
what
she
said
their
schedule
on
their
first
at
our
schedule,
is
that
acceptable.
J
A
L
J
M
A
That
motion
carries
so.
That
concludes
our
discussion
on
item
13
for
today.
Our
next
item
for
discussion
is
items
14.
The
hook-and-ladder
apartments
I'll
mention
that
I
am
recusing
myself
from
discussion
on
that
item,
as
my
spouse
is
an
employee
of
the
applicants.
So
I
will
turn
things
over
to
vice
president
flat
Thank.
N
Good
afternoon
again,
president
our
vice
president
slack
and
planning
commissioners.
The
project
is
named
hook-and-ladder
apartments.
It's
located
in
the
areas
identified
here
in
black,
as
it
includes
22
12,
23,
16,
23,
20,
Jefferson
Street
northeast,
as
well
as
a
proposed
vacation
of
this
portion
of
23rd
Avenue
Northeast.
So
that
is
the
shape
of
the
property
as
proposed.
N
The
project
is
a
Planned
Unit
development
to
allow
for
two
new
residential
structures.
There's
a
petition
to
rezone
the
entire
subject:
property
to
the
r5.
Multiple
family
district
portions
of
the
site
are
presently
zoned
r2
view
at
UC
incumbent
orange
color
and
then
also
I
want,
in
that
light,
gray,
color
plane
new
development
as
a
conditional
use
in
the
r5
district
and
they've
applied
for
that
to
a
well
for
a
total
of
118
dwellings
between
the
two
structures
site
plan
review
that
Street
vacation
I
mentioned
earlier,
and
then
to
do
a
preliminary
and
final
plant.
N
Memorandum
this
afternoon
to
highlight
a
couple
inconsistencies
of
the
staff
report.
They
just
want
to
call
your
attention
to
related
to
X
term
aterial,
as
that
staff
was
working
from
the
table
instead
of
the
elevation
and
we
incorrectly
identified
brick
as
being
the
base
material
when
it's
actually
burnished
block
CMU
and
then
additionally,
there's
some
clarification
on
Windows.
So
we
are
now
in
agreement
with
the
applicant
based
on
the
conditions
of
approval.
So
the
subject
property
is.
G
N
There's
a
combination
of
one
two
and
three-bedroom
units
there
will
be
income
restrictions
to
households
at
60%
of
the
area.
Median
income
or
below
one
building
is
a
conventional
design
consistent
with
the
green
community
requirements
and
then
the
building
nearest,
the
railroad
would
be
a
passive
house
which
calls
for
an
ultra
tight
insulation
and
an
improved
energy
costs
and
for
heating
and
cooling,
as
well
as
improved
ventilation
for
air
quality.
The
East
Building
nearest,
the
residential
structures,
which
you'll
see
are
mostly
low-density
structures
along
Jefferson
and
24th,
would
be
a
three-story
building.
N
The
taller
structure
nearest
the
BNSF
railroad
would
be
six
so
the
applicant
and
through
the
plan
unit,
development
has
asked
for
the
following
alternatives.
First,
is
to
allow
for
more
than
one
principal
residential
structure.
The
second
is
to
I'm.
Sorry
excuse
me:
it's
a
five-story
building
at
60
feet,
three
inches
in
height
for
the
Passivhaus
along
the
BNSF
railroad
rail
line
required
yards
along
the
periphery
along
Jefferson
Street,
northeast
24th,
Avenue,
Northeast
and
Washington
Street
northeast,
which
is
along
here.
N
The
applicant
has
requested
the
following
amenities:
active
liner
for
the
parking
garage
for
the
building
at
the
corner
of
24th
and
Jefferson,
and
outdoor
children's
play
area,
which
is
located
central
to
the
site
here
in
the
in
the
center
pedestrian
improvements.
So
presently,
there's
much
of
the
public
sidewalk
is
missing
along
Jefferson
Street
northeast
and
is
in
poor
condition
along
24th
Avenue,
Northeast
and
Washington
Street
northeast
through
the
preliminary
development
review
meeting
Public
Works
has
asked
for
those
sidewalks
to
be
brought
up
to
code
and
improved,
so
that
would
be
on
the
public
right-of-way
site.
N
N
Each
building
would
have
their
own
recycling
storage
area
within
the
enclosed
building
and
then
the
applicant
has
also
requested
additional
points
for
the
passive
house
for
sustainable
building
standards.
Staff
awarded
the
applicants
requests
for
the
majority
of
the
items
as
requested,
so
they
were
required
to
provide
a.
N
N
So
additional
correspondence
was
received
today
from
Improvement
Association,
recommending
support
of
the
proposed
project,
so
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
all
of
the
applications.
The
site
area
is
within
a
recently
adopted,
Holland
neighborhood
small
area
plan
that
calls
for
medium
density.
This
is
consistent
with
those
density
allowances
and
we
felt
as
though
the
project
exceeded
what
would
be
expected
for
a
planning
of
development
with
these
requested
alternatives,
as
mentioned
the
the
applicant
staff
based
on
the
memorandum
today,
and
they
amended
conditions
of
approval.
K
R
Good
afternoon,
commissioners,
my
name
is
Becky
Landon
I'm,
the
president
of
Newport
Midwest,
and
we're
developing
the
hook-and-ladder
Department
hook-and-ladder
apartments
in
Northeast
Minneapolis.
We're
excited
to
redevelop
this
a
blighted
site.
Our
goal
was
not
only
to
provide
affordable
housing
but
create
a
development
that
the
neighborhood
could
be
very
proud
of
and
to
try
to
reach
that
goal.
We've
been
working
very
closely
with
the
Holland
neighborhood
Improvement
Association
for
two
years
on
this
development.
That
kind
of
has
led
us
to
this
point.
R
We
really
started
building
our
development
concept
looking
at
the
small
area
plan,
and
we
feel
like
what
we've
presented
to
you
today
and
and
what
our
ultimate
development
that
will
be
built
is
reflective
of
exactly
what
the
neighborhood
had
looked
for
in
that
location
on
their
small
area
plan.
In
addition,
we
layered
elements
into
the
concept
that
go
above
and
beyond
many
other
affordable
housing
developments.
R
First,
we're
creating,
as
planning
mentioned,
a
public
path
on
the
adjacent
right-of-way
in
order
to
connect
24th
down
to
22nd,
which
is
an
important
connection
given
the
location
of
Edison
High
School,
Jackson,
Square
Park
other
public
amenities
that'll
make
it
easier
for
people
to
access
through
the
neighborhood
that
neighborhood
is
cut
off
by
the
railroad.
So
this
will
recreate
that
pedestrian
and
bicycle
connection,
we're
also
going
above
and
beyond
on
sustainability
features,
as
Shanna
mentioned,
we're
specifically
developing
one
building
two
to
be
built
to
five
standards,
and
you
know
I
apologize.
R
If
we
didn't
provide
you
with
the
information
on
the
Passivhaus,
we
have
tried
to
be
very
responsive
and
work
with
planning
styles.
So
if
there's
more
information,
we'd
be
happy
to
provide
that
that
was
just
an
oversight,
we're
also
including
public
art
pictures
and
we're
looking
at
elements
to
attract
artists,
so
that
we
make
sure
that
we're
providing
affordable
housing
for
the
local
artists
that
are
in
the
community
and
we're
proud
for
that.
R
K
X
K
Z
Hello,
my
name
is
Andrew
Hersey
I
am
the
owner
of
65
million
23rd
Avenue
Northeast,
which
is
directly
across
the
street
Jefferson
from
the
proposed
token
ladder
apartments,
as
they
are
being
called
and
well-acquainted
with
the
area.
There's
a
number
of
problems
I
have
with
this
proposed
development.
First
of
all,
it's
a
five-story
building
in
a
neighborhood
that
is
predominantly
one
to
two-story
homes
and
inadequate
parking
plan
in
which
there
would
be
hundreds
more
tenants
potentially
in
the
building.
Z
These
are
both
problems
that
other
neighborhoods
have
had
to
face,
but
what
would
make
this
development
different
is
that
it
would
be
built
30
feet
from
a
heavily
trafficked
rail
corridor,
very
likely,
the
busiest
in
the
city
at
that
distance.
The
frequent
freight
train
noise
would
create
a
major
quality-of-life
issue
for
tenants
and
being
that
close
to
rail
traffic.
Light
traffic
is
simply
not
safe.
I'm
rather
surprised
that
city
regulations
would
even
allow
residences
at
such
a
location
to
even
be
considered
at
this
site.
Z
Z
Imagine
your
next
door
neighbor
firing
up
their
lawnmower
or
leaf
blower
every
15
minutes,
24
hours
a
day
how
the
noise
would
be
reflected
off
of
and
between
the
two
buildings
is
also
an
unknown,
and
if
the
breeze
is
right,
you
will
also
get
a
face
full
of
diesel
exhaust.
There
is
so
much
rail
traffic
through
this
corridor.
That
two
years
ago,
the
fifth
set
of
tracks
on
the
west
side
was
added
to
increase
capacity.
That
was
a
move
by
the
railroad
that
caught
everyone
off
guard.
Z
Can
it
be
ruled
out
that
someday
is
sixth
set
of
tracks
might
be
installed
on
East
bringing
trains
even
closer
to
any
development?
How
much
traffic?
How
much
rail
traffic
is
too
much
and
how
close
is
too
close,
30
feet
and
100
trains
in
it
100
trains
a
day.
Perhaps
these
are
not
the
electric
transit
trains
that
you
might
find
in
close
quarters
in
some
dense
urban
areas.
Z
These
are
diesel
engines,
each
wayne
on
average
240
thousand
pounds
and
usually
linked
to
or
threw
together
to
pull
trains,
often
more
than
a
mile
long
and
hauling
chemicals,
fuel
and
other
Freight,
as
the
trains
have
built
up
we're
waiting
to
enter
the
train
yard
to
the
north.
It's
about
a
half
mile
to
the
north
I
think
it's
called
the
Shoreham
train
yard.
You
can
often
find
them
in
a
holding
pattern
with
their
engines
running
directly.
Next
to
where
the
apartments
would
stand.
Z
I
shouldn't
have
to
tell
you
that
only
30
feet,
any
rail
accident
near
an
apartment
in
that
area
would
be
a
major
disaster
and
with
the
number
of
tenants
in
the
plan
which
does
include
a
playground
area,
there
will
no,
no
doubt
be
children
and
others
venturing
up
to
the
tracks
where
the
loss
of
limb
or
life
is
very
high.
It
is
not
a
good
sign
when
you're
naming
your
apartment
buildings
after
an
emergency
response
vehicle,
as
is
the
case
along
the
majority
of
the
rail
lines
through
northeast.
Z
The
light
industrial
currently
located
on
the
site,
is
providing
a
buffer
between
the
residential
neighborhood
and
the
heavy
industrial
that
is
freight.
Rail
not
only
have
the
light
industrial
areas,
the
Northeast
provided
a
safety
and
comfort
buffer
between
rail
and
residences.
They
have
provided
a
space
for
the
thriving
craft,
brew
and
art
scene.
I
would
not
argue
that
the
proposed
site
could
be
revitalized,
but
losing
the
unique
industrial
areas
that
hipster
historically
been,
and
can
you
continue
to
be
the
heart
of
Northeast
is
not
good
planning.
Z
Imagine
if
there
was
a
proposal
to
run
a
rail
line,
30
feet
from
the
house
apartment
that
you
live
in
today
and
that
mile-long
trains
would
pass
by
every
15
minutes
all
through
the
day
and
night.
You
would
not
be
happy
and
you
would
not
let
that
happen,
so
why
would
it
be
different
if
the
proposal
is
to
put
apartments
next
to
trains
when
the
result
is
the
same
people
living
in
a
poor
environment?
K
AA
AA
That
we
have
been
provided,
but
it
seems
that
the
planners
requested
a
variance
for
the
minimum
front
yard
setback
across
Jefferson
from
15
feet
reduced
to
12
feet,
and
we
couldn't
figure
out
why?
So
we
would
love
an
answer
to
that
question:
we're
very
much
looking
forward
to
speaking
more
at
the
Holland
Neighborhood
Association,
hopefully
you're,
going
to
know
Becky
and
the
Landon
group
over
the
next
couple
of
years.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
All.
N
AB
N
Yards
along
both
Jefferson
and
Washington,
Street
northeast
and
the
corner
side
yard
along
24th,
Avenue
Northeast,
the
president,
zoning
for
the
majority
of
the
property
that
would
be
subject
to
set
access
right
now:
zoned
industrial,
which
would
not
have
a
front
yard
or
corner
side
yard
setback
when
they
rezone
to
the
r5
district.
There
are
setbacks
required
per
the
district
which
are
15
feet
for
the
front
yard
and
then
14
feet
based
on
the
height
of
the
structure
along
24th
Avenue
Northeast.
So
that
is
the
reason
why
typically
an
application?
N
N
K
R
We
want
to
do
a
side-by-side
comparison,
showing
the
real
life,
energy
consumption
differences
and
the
utility
costs
differences
between
the
two
buildings,
so
that
for
us
and
for
other
developers,
especially
in
the
affordable
housing
arena
in
a
few
years,
we
won't
have
to
go
through
we'll
be
able
to
show
to
lenders
and
investors
that
this
actually
works,
we'll
be
able
to
show
the
actual
construction
cost
differences
long
term
differences.
So
it
really
is
to
provide
that
real-life
comparisons
for
a
laboratory.
K
G
Liked
you
had
a
question
for
the
applicant.
Sorry,
you
had
to
go
sit
down
with
me.
I
was
looking
at
the
landscaping
plan
and
it
looks
really
robust
and
very
nice,
but
I
was
wondering
why
or
if
there
was
a
reason
why
there
weren't
any
trees
like
deciduous
trees
or
anything
as
a
buffer
between
the
building
closest
to
the
railway
and
the.
AC
M
B
G
B
K
Q
B
M
AD
Okay
good
evening,
commissioners,
Peter
Crandall,
ethnicity,
planner
with
seabed
land
use.
The
application
before
you
tonight
is
at
several
property
is
located
in
the
Marcy
Holmes
neighborhood
of
southeast
Minneapolis.
This
project
is
also
located
within
the
st.
Anthony
Falls
historic
district.
The
project
required
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
from
the
Heritage
Preservation
Commission
and
went
before
that
body
on
October
10th.
AD
The
certificate
of
appropriateness
was
recommended
for
denial
by
that
body
was
appealed
and
then
went
before
the
City
Planning
Commission
is
earning
in
Planning
Committee
on
November
9th.
The
zoning
and
planning
committee
overturned
that
decision
of
the
hpc
and
granted
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
this
project
subject
to
conditions.
AD
So
that's
just
a
little
history
of
where
this
has
been
I
know
that
the
project
was
before
this
body
at
the
Khedive
hole
prior
to
that
process,
and
several
changes
have
taken
place
with
the
project
since
that
time,
so
I
will
go
through
some
of
those
and
I
know.
The
applicant
is
also
here
to
speak
to
some
of
the
design
as
well.
AD
This
is
a
zoning
map
showing
the
site.
It's
a
full
block
development.
The
site
is
currently
zoned
a1,
which
is
an
industrial
district
with
the
industrial
living
overlay
district
and
the
university
area
overlay
district
as
well.
The
site
is
currently
occupied
by
a
surface
parking
lot
and
contains
no
historic
structures
or
existing
structures.
AD
It
is
functionally
one
structure
built
around
an
enclosed
parking
garage
with
two
main
components:
the
26-story
tower
element
and
then
a
six
story:
apartment
structure
on
the
remainder
of
the
site.
The
parking
garage
is
lined
on
three
sides
by
walk-up
residential
units,
and
there
are
two
principal
entrances
to
the
respective
residential
portions
of
the
structure.
I
believe
when
this
project
came
before
this
body,
if
any
of
the
whole,
it
was
in
somewhat
different
form,
which
you
can
see
here,
somewhat
shorter
and
quite
a
bit
wider.
AD
There
was
some
concern
expressed
by
the
Heritage
Preservation
Commission
and
by
staff
that
this
proposed
design
did
not
meet
the
historic
district
design
guidelines
in
particular,
and
some
significant
revisions
were
made
to
the
design.
This
is
an
overlay
showing
the
currently
proposed
elevation
overlaid
on
that
previous
version.
You
can
see
that
the
tower
got
somewhat
taller
and
significantly
narrower,
so
the
floor.
AD
Additionally,
some
conditions
of
approval
were
placed
on
the
project
by
the
Planning
Committee
that
the
applicant
work
with
staff
to
unify
the
visual
components
of
the
elevation
on
the
six
storey
portion
and
to
simplify
the
material
palette
such
that
it
comply
better
with
the
HPC
guidelines.
This
is
showing
the
two
versions
of
those
elevations.
There
then
I'll
walk
through
some
of
the
site
plan
elements,
so
the
the
site
itself
is
actually
sloped
significantly
from
University
Avenue
down
to
second
streets
out
these.
AD
So
the
first
story
of
the
townhome
liner
uses
on
the
second
Street
South
East
elevation.
You
can
see
here
and
then,
as
you
move
up
the
street,
you
get
to
the
principal
entrance
to
the
tower
component
that
is
located
on
University
Avenue
and
at
the
corner
of
2nd
Avenue
southeast
a
significant
amount
of
residential
amenity
space
there,
and
then
you
see
the
remainder
of
the
townhomes
wrapping
the
enclosed
parking
structure.
So
there
are
two
functional
levels
of
enclosed
parking
with
two
separate
accesses
that
you
can
see
from
these
two
site
plans.
J
AD
This
is
a
shadow
studies
showing
the
shadowing
impacts
of
the
project.
I,
don't
have
the
previous
version
of
this,
but
had
I
shown
that
you
would
see
that
the
shadowing
impacts
of
the
tower
are
somewhat
reduced
by
the
selamat
profile
of
the
structure,
and
then
these
are
some
views
of
the
project
from
various
points
around
the
neighborhood.
AD
AE
AD
Then,
once
again,
this
is
the
corner
at
University
and
second
showing
the
principal
entrance
to
the
tower
component,
more
street
level,
elevations
and
then
the
other
thing
that
has
changed
since
you
last
saw
this
project
is
that
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
add
some
small-scale
neighborhood
serving
retail
uses
at
the
corner
of
University
and
third,
there
would
be
two
tenant
spaces
for
a
total
of
three
thousand
one
hundred
and
seventy
two
square
feet
of
retail
uses
at
that
corner.
That
was
in
response
to
some
neighborhood
concerns
that
the
project
did
not
have
a
mixed-use
character.
AD
AD
So
the
applications
before
you
are
conditional
use
permit
for
a
Planned
Unit
development.
The
exceptions
to
the
zoning
ordinance
that
the
applicant
is
requesting
through
that
application
include
the
establishment
of
unit
development,
which
requires
ten
amenity
points
and
increased
to
the
maximum
maximum
gross
floor
area.
B
AD
Increase
to
the
maximum
height
of
structures
allowed
the
AIA
one
has
a
four-story
or
56
foot
height
limit,
and
that
adds
up
to
a
total
of
20
amenity
points.
The
amenities
that
the
applicant
is
proposing
our
active
line,
reduces
on
an
enclosed
parking
garage.
That's
worth
10
points,
pedestrian
improvements.
The
applicant
is
working
with
Public
Works
to
implement
a
number
of
pedestrian
bump
outs
in
the
public
right-of-way,
including
significant
amount
of
additional
landscaping,
as
well
they're,
also
proposing
to
use
decorative
pavers
for
the
drive
aisles
and
walkways
on
site.
AD
They
are
working
with
the
white
group
to
implement
energy
efficiency
standards
in
the
project.
So
it's
worth
three
points
as
well:
they
are
providing
a
significant
amount
of
landscaping.
In
addition,
over
over
the
requirements,
the
minimum
requirements
spelled
out
in
the
site
plan
review
chapter.
That's
worth
one
point:
the
applicant
had
requested
enhanced
lighting
but
did
not
provide
a
lighting
plan
that
met
those
minimum
standards,
and
so
we
were
not
able
to
grant
that
point,
but
there
was
a
recycling
storage
area
proposed
and
shown
on
the
plan.
AD
So
that's
worth
one
point
for
a
total
of
22
points.
Other
applications
because
the
FA
are
significantly
exceeds
the
allowable
20%
through
the
Planned
Unit
development
application.
The
project
will
require
a
variance
to
increase
the
maximum
floor
area
ratio
from
three
point
to
four
to
five
point:
three:
six
and
then,
of
course,
a
site
plan
review.
AB
Good
evening
Tony
Keithley
with
Dorn
companies,
78023
Glen
Murray
Road
in
Bloomington
Minnesota.
This
project
is
actually
a
joint
venture
between
Dorn
companies
and
CSM
corporation
to
local
development
firms.
With
me
tonight
they
have
Cody
neat
recov
Doran
companies,
Jeff
arsenal,
the
principal
architect
with
Thorne
companies,
Kelly
Doran
with
Thorne
companies,
of
course,
and
Jeff
John
Ferrier
who's
with
CSM
corporation
I.
Don't
have
a
lot
to
add
I
think
mr.
AB
Crandall
did
a
really
good
job
on
summarizing
our
project
summarizing
the
changes
and
modifications
we've
made
since
the
City
Council
hearing
and
what
we'd
like
to
do
is
actually
show
you
a
lumion
model.
So
you
be
a
little
bit
greater
sense
of
the
building
and
the
improvements
and
I'm
gonna
invite
town
up
to
do
that.
AB
A
AF
AF
The
lower
two
floors,
where
the
tower
is,
is
amenity
space
for
the
residents
and
on
the
left.
You
can
see
where
our
tenant
spaces
will
be,
as
we
turn
the
corner
down.
Third
Street,
as
Peter
said,
we
have
some
two
two-story
townhomes,
as
well
as
some
important
story,
townhomes
and
then
beyond.
Behind
that
are
the
six
stories
of
apartments.
As
we
turn
the
corner
here,
going
down.
AF
Second
there's
more
townhomes
and
then
the
six
story
elements
apartments
behind
and
then,
as
we
wrap
the
corner,
there's
more
townhomes,
where
you
thought
that
was
a
great
way
to
activate
the
street
having
townhomes
with
outdoor
patio
spaces.
As
we
go
down
to
the
street
level,
you
can
really
see
how
the
how
the
interaction
with
the
public
will
be
on
your
right.
You
see
the
amenity
space
for
the
residents
in
the
tower
above
and
then
we
created
an
outdoor
courtyard
it'll
be
coming
here
in
a
second.
AF
So
we
created
two:
we
pulled
the
building's
apart
to
reduce
the
massing
of
the
building
and
created
some
outdoor
space.
So
the
two
commercial
tenants
will
get
some
outdoor
seating
space
which
again
will
activate
the
street
and
bring
some
interest
to
the
streetscape.
As
we
turn
the
corner,
there's
more
tenant
space
and
you
can
see
the
outdoor
seating
there
and
then
we
go
into.
AF
AF
There's
a
another
one
of
our
garage
entries
there.
It
looks
like
it's
locked
up,
but
as
you
can
see
that
they'd
be
here,
we
go
so.
The
lower
stories
are
the
amenity
space
for
tenants
and
then,
as
we
climb
up,
you
can
get
a
great
bird's-eye
view
of
our
amenity
courtyard.
So,
as
you
can
see,
there's
cutting
greens
there's
numerous
outdoor
seating
areas,
there's
a
pool
and
a
lot
of
lounge
chairs,
there's
also
grilling
stations
and
fire
pits.
So
we
really
feel
like
this
will
bring
a
sense
of
community
to
to
the
building.
AF
AF
K
In
in
the
model,
I
think,
as
you
were,
rotating
around
sorry
verifier,
third
and
second,
is
it
identified.
It
showed
some.
Some
boxes
are
where
those
are
those
both
like
utility
exterior
utility
boxes
because
it
looked
like
there
was
one
in
the
middle
of
the
sidewalk,
and
maybe
we
don't
have
to
go
that
to
the
to
the
model.
Let's
see
what
sheet
am
I
I'm.
B
AF
AB
K
AG
A
AG
F
AD
AB
U
You
president
Brown
response,
Roger
executive
director
of
the
Marcy
homes,
Neighborhood
Association
580,000,
is
southeast.
The
Marcy
Helms
Neighborhood
Association
supports
replacing
the
surface
parking
lot
at
the
site
under
consideration
with
high
density
development
within
the
st.
Anthony
Falls
historic
district.
Much
of
the
project
now
reflects
neighborhood
recommendations
for
improvement.
However,
the
height
of
the
tower
remains
an
issue
for
the
neighborhood.
U
We
trust
that
the
following
characteristics
of
the
development
continue
to
be
supported
by
the
Commission
as
well:
a
5
foot
setback
along
University,
Avenue,
southeast
and
enhanced
by
the
ground,
along
the
avenues
connecting
the
neighborhood
to
its
riverfront
mixed-use,
particularly
along
University
Avenue,
with
the
commercial
space
of
the
corner
of
third
Avenue
southeast,
the
promise
of
at
least
some
affordable
housing.
A
variety
of
heights
and
using
a
limited
number
of
materials
responded
to
the
st.
Anthony
Falls
historic
district
design.
U
On
the
last
point,
we
appreciate
the
recent
efforts
of
the
developer
and
planning
staff
to
respond
to
the
conditions,
the
City
Council
added
to
utilize
a
limited
number
of
materials
in
keeping
with
historic
guidelines.
The
main
issue
for
the
neighborhood
remains
the
height
of
the
tower
situated
on
2nd
and
University
Avenue
southeast
the
height
on
this
corner
exceeds
the
st.
Anthony
Falls
historic.
This
district
design
guidelines
requirement
that
quote
the
maximum
building
height
should
not
exceed
the
red
tile
elevator.
U
We
can
see
that
the
City
Council
chose
to
override
these
guidelines
by
overturning
the
zoning
of
planning's
condition,
which
was
unanimously
approved
on
November
9th
20
2017,
to
limit
the
height
of
this
project
to
the
height
of
the
nearby
red
tile
elevator.
We
differ
with
the
council
on
what
the
priority
for
this
district
should
be.
We
believe
that
this
district
serves
residents
throughout
city
and
contributes
to
its
tourist
economy,
mainly
because
the
st.
Anthony
Falls
historic
guidelines
have
been
in
place
to
ensure
the
district's
character.
U
A
AH
Good
evening
I'm
Jonathan
Moore
and
I'm
a
park
ranger
with
the
National
Park
Service
my
office
at
111,
East
Kellogg
Boulevard
in
Saint
Paul.
The
mission
of
the
National
Park
Service
is
to
preserve
America's
treasured
places
and
to
ensure
that
they
are
around
for
current
and
future
generations
to
enjoy
and
in
1988
Congress
recognized
that
the
Mississippi
River
corridor
here
in
the
Twin
Cities,
was
worthy
of
this
status
and
created
the
Mississippi
National
River
and
Recreation
Area,
which
is
just
a
few
blocks
away
from
where
we
are
here
tonight.
AH
One
of
the
charges
that
we
are
given
here
at
this
park
unit
is
to
ensure
orderly
public
and
private
development
within
the
corridor.
That's
consistent
with!
What's
special
about
this
place.
So
with
that
charge,
we
care
deeply
about
this
River
this
city
and
the
st.
Anthony
Falls
historic
district.
There
are
only
three
national
historic
landmarks
in
our
72
mile
corridor,
and
two
of
them
are
here
in
this
neighborhood
the
Washburn
Crosby
complex
and
the
Pillsbury
a
mill
both
within
a
district
listed
in
the
National
Register
of
Historic
Places.
AH
There
is
a
lot
that
is
right
about
this
project
and
there's
a
lot
that
will
add
vitality
to
this
neighborhood
and
this
part
of
the
historic
district.
There's
really
just
one
central
concern
that
the
National
Park
Service
has,
and
it
is
its
height,
there's
been
a
long-held
standard
here
in
this
neighborhood
that
buildings
don't
exceed
the
height
of
the
red
tile
elevator
of
the
pillsbury
email
complex,
especially
as
you
get
closer
to
the
NHL
right
now.
The
tower
element,
as
proposed
exceeds
the
red
tile
elevator
by
approximately
nine
stories
or
100
feet.
AH
So
we
did
compile
this
map,
which
is
attached
to
the
letter
I
passed
out,
and
certainly
a
lot
could
be
learned
from
looking
at
this
and
analyzing
it,
but
I'm
just
going
to
in
the
interest
of
time.
I'll
just
make
a
few
observations.
One
is
if
you
scan
across
at
the
height
that
the
number
of
stories
that
you
see
for
buildings
in
this
character
area,
there's
nothing
resembling
26.
So
26
is
kind
of
the
introduction
of
a
of
a
much
different
height.
AH
The
other
one
is
that
if
you
study
it
for
a
few
moments
there,
there
is
kind
of
a
hierarchy
or
a
pattern
of
spatial
relationships.
Whereas
if
you
look
at
the
row
of
blocks
at
the
lower
part
of
the
map
closer
to
the
closest
to
the
river,
there
is
where
you
have
the
you
know,
the
bigger
scale,
industrial
buildings,
and,
if
you
you
know,
it's
bolded
red
tile,
elevator
you
see
is
that
complex
is
the
most
prominent
part
of
that
area.
AH
And
so
that's
kind
of
a
pattern
that's
been
at
play
in
the
neighborhood
since
some
of
its
earliest
days.
It's
still
true
today
in
the
survival
of
that
kind
of
deep
structure,
if
you
will
is
significant
and
the
introduction
of
a
new
tower
which
would
exceed
every
existing
structure
in
the
area
by
a
hundred
feet,
would
upset
that
hierarchy
in
a
major
way
for
the
first
time,
and
it
starts
to
set
up
a
new
pattern
of
development
that
would
disrupt
the
neighborhood
character
in
community
context.
AH
AE
AH
In
closing,
I
do
want
to
commend
everyone
who
is
part
of
a
process
such
as
this
from
those
of
you
on
the
Commission
to
planning
staff,
especially
Peter,
in
this
case
the
neighborhood
group
and
the
the
private
development
partners
who
bring
their
talent
and
skills
to
making
this
a
world-class
City.
As
a
public
servant.
AH
A
D
AB
D
AH
A
few
things
to
keep
in
mind,
so
the
Red
Kettle
elevator
I,
think
is
used
as
kind
of
this
ceiling
kind
of
this.
This
market
demarcation
all
right.
So
it's
not
that
the
red
pal
elevator
as
an
element
itself
is
the
most
special
thing
in
the
district.
It
is
part
of
this
larger
Pillsbury,
a
male
complex
which
has
the
National
Historic
Landmark
status,
but
it
functioning
as
a
complex.
You
know
that's
kind
of
used
as
the
height.
AH
So
so,
what's
the
proximity
of
the
proposed
project
through
the
email,
complex
I
mean
it's
less
than
a
block
away
right
because
the
pillsbury
male
is
called
out
on
the
map
with
10
stories
and
you
go
half
a
block
and
you're
at
the
expo.
One
other
thing
that
frankly
kind
of
makes
the
issue
of
placing
the
condition
on
the
height
a
little
bit
complicated
but
I,
but
I
think
to
keep
things
simple.
We
just
say
limit
it
to
the
height
of
the
red
tile
elevator,
as
you
do
as
you
do.
AH
Go
from
Main
Street
up
to
2nd
Street
you're,
going
up
a
bluff
away
from
the
river
and
the
the
grade
actually
increases
by
two
stories
and
how
we
know
that
is
the
the
Phoenix.
If
you
stand
on
Main
Street
and
you
count
the
floor
plates,
you
see
17
if
you
go
up
to
the
site
of
the
Expo
and
that
parking
lot
and
you
look
back
at
the
Phoenix,
you
see
15.
AH
A
Y
Just
I'm-
maybe
this
is
a
question
of
for
staff
I'm.
Taking
a
look
at
the
council
action
from
November
and
I.
Don't
see
a
specific
call
out
for
the
red
tile,
elevator
height
issue.
I
mean
there's
some
stuff
in
here
about
setting
back
the
building
from
property
line,
consolidating
curb
cuts,
but
I
don't
see
anything
related
to
its.
A
AH
AE
K
M
G
It
is,
but
so,
given
that
this
isn't
a
historic
district,
it
doesn't.
The
Secretary
of
Interior
have
governance
over
what
gets
done
here,
since
it's
a
contributing
or
I
guess
it's.
Secondly,
a
non
contributing
site,
but
since
you're
constructing
something
in
it,
how
does
that
it's
not
a
building,
but
it
is
a
district,
maybe
maybe
Peters
personnel.
AD
So
Commissioner
keep
here.
The
site
is
located
within
the
halls:
historic
district.
That
district
has
adopted
design
guidelines
both
for
existing
historic
structures
and
guidelines
for
new
infill
buildings
to
be
compatible
with
existing
historic
infrastructure
in
various
ways.
Those
are
the
guidelines
that
would
apply
to
this
site,
given
that
there
is
no
existing
historic
infrastructure.
There
is
some
language
in
the
historic
district
design.
Guidelines
about
things
like
used
to
historic
structures
are
important.
Landmark
buildings
in
the
district.
A
AI
Commissioners,
good
evening,
my
name
is
Eric
Wonderlic.
They
live
at
413.
Fifth
Street
southeast
now
remind
you
again
that
HPC
unanimously
rejected
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
this
project.
I'm
here
to
speak
in
opposition
to
development
of
the
26
storey
tower
proposed
as
part
of
the
Expo
project.
The
proposed
tower
is
in
clear
violation
of
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
which
encompasses
both
the
Marcy
Holmes
neighborhood
small
area
plan
in
the
st.
Anthony
Falls
historic
guidelines.
AI
The
city's
Department
of
Planning
and
Economic
Development
seems
to
have
once
again
got
in
this
process
exactly
backwards
due
to
the
project's
location
in
the
st.
Anthony,
Falls,
historic
district
and
proximity
to
an
activity
center
and
adjacent
to
a
community
corridor
are
irrelevant.
The
overarching
Authority
is
the
comp
plan
incorporating
in
meaning
and
intent,
the
neighborhood
small
area
plan
and
the
st.
Anthony
Falls
historic
district
guidelines,
both
of
which
were
adopted
by
the
city
and
are
therefore
part
of
the
comp
plan.
The
maximum
building
height
in
the
st.
AI
Anthony
Falls
historic
district
is
eight
stories
and
to
make
the
point
again,
the
maximum
allowed
height
is
eight
stories,
the
height
of
the
red,
tile,
elevator
and
other
tall
structures
inexistent.
At
the
time
of
the
adoption
of
the
st.
Anthony
Falls
historic
district
guidelines
are,
according
to
the
guidelines,
explicitly
not
to
be
used
as
precedent
for
future
development.
This
is
the
meaning
of
the
city's
kind
of
plan.
The
principal
developer
acknowledged
his
awareness
of
the
guidelines
contained
in
the
comp
plan,
including
again
both
the
Marcy
homes,
neighborhood
small
area
plan
and
the
st.
AI
Anthony
historic
district
guidelines
when
he
purchased
the
site.
If
the
developers
need
for
profit
is
greater
than
what
can
be
generated
with
a
particular
project
proposal
and
it's
either
the
wrong
project
for
the
site
or
the
developer
to
spent
too
much
on
the
site.
Neither
scenario
is
grounds
for
approval
of
a
zoning,
bearings
and
conditional
use
for
the
proposed
26-story
tower.
The
neighborhood
has
made
clear
its
preference
for
preserving
the
integrity
of
the
st.
AI
Anthony
Falls
historic
district,
signifying
sacred
ground
in
the
community,
the
birthplace
of
the
city,
with
a
long
history
and
hopefully
a
long
future.
It's
the
city's
duty
as
caretaker
and
is
defined
in
the
terms
of
the
st.
Anthony
Falls
historic
district
guidelines
to
ensure
the
protection
of
the
district
for
all
and
for
future
generations.
Thank
you.
Thank.
H
A
AE
AK
Any
Commissioner,
my
name,
is
Kelly
Dorn
I
just
want
to
spend
a
moment
reflecting
back
in
some
of
the
context
of
how
we
got
to
this
day.
When
we
first
approached
the
city
about
the
potential
development
of
this
property,
we
were
mindful
that
the
historic
guidelines,
as
Eric
just
said,
for
this
sub
area.
Now
this
sub
area
in
the
historic
guidelines
is
defined
as
Central
Avenue
on
the
west
sixth
Avenue
on
the
East,
University
Avenue,
north
and
second
Street
on
the
south.
AK
So
it's
a
very
narrow
band
of
about
four
blocks
of
properties
within
that
four
blocks
of
properties
is
a
huge
parking
ramp.
This
surface
parking
lot
the
General
Mills
facility
and
then
on
the
far
and
a
condo
building
and
some
single-family
homes.
We
approached
the
city
staff
about
building
a
six
story,
wood
frame
building
and
being
mindful
of
that,
each
story.
AK
Now
in
the
historic
guidelines
it
says
that
this
area
should
the
word
should
is
an
important
word
here-
be
limited
to
eight
stories,
because
in
that
historic
guidelines
it
also
says
the
word
should
is
subject
to
further
interpretation
by
the
city.
So
you,
the
City
Planning
Commission,
the
City
Council
under
those
guidelines
as
drafted,
it
was
contemplated
that
you
would
have
the
right
to
make
modifications
to
those
to
those
suggested
guidelines.
AK
So
with
that
we
were
asked
by
city
staff
and
by
several
elected
officials
to
think
bigger,
and
we
were
asked
to
think
bigger
because
in
2016,
this
body
and
the
City
Council
passed
an
activity
center
modification
which
this
is
part
of
that
allows
for
not
just
very
high
Dan,
not
very
not
just
high
density
above
the
two
hundred
units,
an
acre
but
potentially
up
to
very
high
densities
up
to
eight
hundred
units,
an
acre.
Well,
you
can't
build
that
type
of
density.
With
an
eight-story
height
limitation.
AK
You
could
literally
build
this
building
wall-to-wall
every
square,
foot,
8
storeys
and
you
couldn't
get
to
those
kind
of
density
numbers,
and
so
we
were
asked
to
think
bigger
and
we
were
asked
to
go
call
her
and
we
went
through
many
iterations
of
that
and
we
worked
with
staff
over
an
extended
period
of
time.
Months
and
months
we
had
multiple
meetings
with
the
neighborhood,
including
a
neighborhood
group
meeting
that
we
sponsored
that
had
over
a
hundred
people
attend.
We
got
lots
of
input,
that's
why
changes
were
made.
AK
That's
why
things
were
added
in
terms
of
boulevard,
widths
and
break-ins
and
landscaping
in
retail
spaces,
etc.
Based
on
that
community
input-
and
we
came
to
the
plan-
that's
here
before
you
today
now
the
plan
is
outline:
it's
not
a
matter
of
just
taking
a
hundred
feet
off
this
building
and
making
it
work.
It
doesn't
work,
it
won't
get
built.
So
that's
not
even
really
an
option
here.
AK
The
option
is
we
built
this
building
at
a
certain
mass
to
make
it
work
or
we
go
to
a
six-story
ability
and
I'm
confused,
because
we're
following
your
elite?
Okay,
so
we're
trying
to
follow
they
eat
and
build
a
high
class
project
in
a
high-density
area
and
keep
in
mind
not
very
long
ago,
this
body
approved
a
forty
three-story
building
or
forty
two-story
building
a
block
away
in
the
same
sub
area
in
the
same
part
of
the
historic
district,
a
block
away
from
the
site.
AK
AK
AK
But
if
you
literally
thought
about
this,
if
it
was
possible-
and
you
took
this
plan-
and
you
put
it
on
the
other
side
of
University
Avenue-
we
wouldn't
even
be
talking
about
this.
It
wouldn't
you
be
part
of
the
issue
because
it
would
be
outside
that
and
then
in
the
impact
of
that
building,
assuming
it
was
proved,
would
be
no
different
than
what
this
building
is
and
so
I
ask
you
to
look
at
this
in
a
big
picture,
which
is
what
we've
tried
to
convey
and
I
think.
AK
What's
also
that's
of
what
the
city
comments
will
ultimately
looked
at
and
I
think
staff
has
done
a
remarkable
job
on
this
proposal.
They
have
written
a
well
well,
I,
guess
the
staff
report
and
they
have-
and
we
have
worked
diligently
with
them
to
create
what
we
think
will
be
a
world-class
project
for
the
next
100
years
in
this
area.
Thank
you.
K
AK
I,
don't
think
it's
a
cost
issue
I
think
it's
getting
Excel
to
do
it.
If
you
want
to
make
it
a
condition.
That
would
be
helpful
for
us
in
terms
of
trying
to
influence
them
to
do
so
because
it
actually
requires
it's.
Oh,
it's
not
on
our
property,
it's
in
the
public
right
away
and
I.
Think
it's
the
power
for
the
Phoenix.
AK
K
A
AJ
AJ
We've
all
just
endured
a
long
and
ugly
election
season,
one
in
which
the
influence
of
money
played
a
significant
role
through
both
contributions
directly
to
candidates,
but
more
significantly,
if
your
contributions
not
limited
by
law
to
political
action
committees,
packs
with
innocuous
names
like
Fresh,
Start
Minneapolis
in
a
Dinah
based
PAC
supporting
then
mayoral
candidate
Jacob
Frye
allow
the
wealthy
developers
to
exercise
undue
influence
over
our
elections.
I
realized
that
the
members
of
the
City
Planning
Commission
are
not
elected.
AJ
AJ
The
tower
30
feet
from
the
front
wall
on
University
Avenue
southeast
at
the
November
17th
Minneapolis,
City,
Council,
meeting
councilmember
Frey
removed
the
conditions
relating
to
the
tower
height
and
30-foot
setback
and,
in
one
final
giveaway
to
Doran,
moved
that
his
amended
appeal
be
granted.
The
council
voted
8
to
sit
to
nothing
in
council
action,
2017
8-0,
eight
eight
zero
was
adopted
as
a
did
on
the
city's
website
under
the
heading.
What
we
do
it
says
that
the
Planning
Commission
makes
recommendations
to
the
City
Council
on
planning
decisions.
AJ
A
H
G
AG
AD
Don't
have
that
number
before
me.
What
I
can
tell
you
is
that
when
we
were
looking
at
that
condition
of
approval
that
was
subsequently
removed
by
the
City
Council
in
answer
to
some
of
the
ambiguity
about
how
we
would
determine
that
the
height
as
measured
per
structure
would
be
measured
from
the
relative
adjacent
grade
of
each
structure.
So
I
don't
have
the
exact
height
of
the
red
tile
elevator
before
me,
but
we
would
take
whatever
that
height
is
from
adjacent
grade
and
then
apply
it
to
the
adjacent
grade
and
height.
AD
AG
AD
AG
E
D
Commissioner
Rockwell
sorry
Peter,
F
Omar,
a
question
for
you,
so
I
noticed
in
the
in
the
letter
from
Marci,
Holmes,
neighborhood
and
I
also
noticed
in
the
the
survey
questions
indications
that
affordable
housing
was
discussed.
Some.
How,
within
the
context
of
this
project
and
I,
just
wanted
to
know
what
your
where
those
discussions
were
and
what
the
thoughts
were
on
that
if
there
are
no
affordable
units
and
that's
correct
I.
AD
AK
AG
AK
D
AK
AK
B
A
Q
Commissioner
Sweezey
Thank
You,
president
Brown
I
think
this
is.
This
is
a
tough
one.
This
is
hard
for
me
and
struggling
with
it,
because
I
was
also
struggling
with
this
much
smaller
unit
down
the
street.
Earlier
when
we
started
the
the
meeting
tonight
that
one
for
different
reasons
and
everybody
who's
made
comments,
I
think
has
made
very
good
and
sound
ones,
I'm
particularly
sensitive
to
the
to
the
Park
Rangers
comments
from
the
Park
Service
I
thought
those
were
very
persuasive.
On
the
other
hand,
I'm
old
enough
to
remember
when
that
area
was
st.
Q
Anthony
Maine
and
that
has
been
sitting
there
parking
lot
as
long
as
I
can
remember,
and
it's
great
to
see
something
going
in
there.
I
do
think
the
project
looks
better.
I
know
it's
taller,
but
I
think
it
looks
better
than
when
we
saw
it
at
the
committee
of
the
whole
and
it's
it's
a
better.
It's
a
better
building
I
do
struggle
with
the
conflicting
messages
from
the
HPC
and
the
City
Council,
and
the
committee.
AB
Q
D
I
would
like
to
condition
the
approval
of
the
variance
to
increase
the
maximum
floor
area
ratio
on
inclusion
of
ten
affordable
units
in
the
building.
You
know
there
is
a
nexus
between
this
condition
and
the
request
we
have
been
section
546,
one:
three:
zero
and
the
code
section
on
density
bonuses,
discussing
increased
density
in
exchange
for
affordable
housing
and
I.
Think
that
our.
AB
D
Affordable
units
being
integrated
into
some
of
these
projects
and
taking
advantage
of
the
density
bonuses
that
we
have
baked
into
the
code
before
coming
and
asking
for
NFA
our
bonus
in
this
ten
units
is
significantly
under
what
what
the
code
would
allow
us
to
condition.
But
I
think
that's
fair
here.
Given
the
expectations
coming
into
this
hearing
and
on
this
project,
but
I
guess:
I'm
I'm
asking
to
reset
some
expectations
going
forward
and
that's
all
I
got.
AE
J
Relationship
between
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
and
the
affordable
units
I
do
think
that,
as
mr.
Rockwell
points
out
that
there
is
somewhat
of
a
nexus
here,
given
that
the
city
does
have
a
density
bonus
available
to
property
owners
and
to
increase
the
allowed
fer.
I
am
made
more
comfortable
by
the
fact
that
the
applicant
has
stated
on
the
record
that
they
are
in
agreement
with
providing
ten
units,
so
I'm
not
uncomfortable
with
the
condition
in
this
instance.
I
also.
D
This
is
a
little
bit
shooting
yourself
in
the
foot
here,
but
then
we
should
be
uncomfortable
with
conditions
on
requiring
at
abuses
around
ground
floor
which
provides
the
density
bonus,
which
we
often
use
as
a
stick
and
our
commercial
uses
and
we've
been
more
and
more
consistently
requiring
those
of
applicants
and
I.
Think
that's
a
good
thing.
A
G
I
just
wanted
to
state
that
I
I
was
torn
on
this
one,
as
my
fellow
commissioner
was
as
well
on
one
hand,
I
think
it's
actually
a
very
well
designed
building,
especially
since
the
last
version.
I
would
be
a
little
bit
appalled
to
think
what
a
block
full
development
of
8
storeys
would
be
in
terms
of
massing
and
scale
and
how
it
relate
to
the
historic
context.
G
At
the
same
time,
I
also
have
just
immense
respect
for
historic
designation
status.
So
it's
actually
a
personal.
Couldn't
you
know
it's
a
passion
of
mine,
so
I
am
given
the
arguments
on
both
sides,
of
which
there
were
very,
very
many
incredibly
valid
points.
I
think
that
ultimately,
its
its
existence
as
a
parking
lot,
but
you
know
activity
center,
actually
kind
of
helped
convince
me
that
so
be
that
I'd
be
voting
in
support
of
this.
G
However,
I
do
want
to
point
out
a
couple
things,
and
one
is
that
I
can
absolutely
assure
you
that
our
roles
of
planning
commissioners
are
completely
free
of
political
influence.
I
am
the
longest-serving
member
of
this
board
and
I
have
never
once
met
with
my
appointee
or
appointed
person
appointed
me
in
regard
to
anything
related
to
Planning
Commission,
except
perhaps
on
the
street,
well
real
running.
So
at
least
maybe
I
don't
care
about
my
vote.
G
Y
Of
the
issues
we've
had
with
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
is,
in
the
past
two
years,
stop
putting
height
limits
in
the
historic
districts,
but
that's
sort
of
a
separate
issue.
I
was
gonna,
say
with
regard
to
the
affordable
housing
amendment.
There
did
we
want
to
be
mean.
Is
there
a
definition
of
affordable
units
in
the
zone?
Encoder?
Do
we
want
to
be
more
specific
about
60%,
ami
or
like
what
the
term
of
that
is
I
think
the
applicant
said
that
he
was
amenable
to
driven
in
perpetuity,
but
we
want
to
have
something
in.
J
AL
A
M
AD
AD
AD
The
issue
according
to
the
applicant,
was
an
isolated
noise
issue
related
to
specific
mechanical
equipment.
That
was
installed
particular
time.
The
applicants
is
this:
the
same
owner
of
the
subject
property
that
was
having
the
noise
complaints
and
worked
with
the
power
plant
to
alleviate
those
concerns.
AG
M
K
A
AD
K
That
the
preference
would
be
to
relocate
in
the
in
a
sense
of
mitigate.
Is
there
a
different
way
to
look
at
the
the
design
at
the
sidewalk?
Does
the
sidewalk
on
actually
wrap
what
would
be
to
the
east
and
the
south
around
the
existing
transformer,
and
maybe
do
some
landscaping
around
the
transformer?
That
was
the
intention
of
the
mitigate
piece.
I
would
prefer
the
relocation
piece,
but
having
worked
with
Xcel
as.
M
AE
B
R
Y
B
L
M
A
A
AL
We
had
some
technical
errors
on
the
report,
and
so
we
kicked
it
back
to
staff
and
in
subsequent
time
there
were
conversations
with
the
author
pops,
where
Sami
and
other
council
members,
a
few
of
which
are
not
on
the
council
anymore,
about
the
amendment.
So
we
brought
it
back.
I
just
want
to
point
out.
We
have
some.
We
have
some
folks
in.
AL
So
we
appreciate
that
this
was
continued
to
get
more
public
outreach,
so
this
for
a
folks
who
may
not
be
familiar.
This
is
a
map
showing
the
current
downtown,
billboard,
entertainment
districts,
so
we
have
US
Bank
Stadium
and
we
have
the
area
around
Target
Center,
a
former
bloc
emails
Square
and
the
adjacent
block.
The
new
proposal.
AE
AL
Us
Bank
Stadium,
and
it
goes
all
the
way
out
to
Portland,
now
comes
down
to
six,
and
then
we
have
the
area
on
the
south
side
of
Washington
Avenue
and
both
sides
of
Hennepin
Avenue
from
8th
to
Washington
in
those
areas.
Those
would
be
allowed
to
have,
as
we
discussed
before,
wall
signs,
particularly
on
Washington
Avenue.
They
would
be
allowed
to
be
a
electronic
digital.
They
are
subject
to
our
Nitz
regulation.
Nit
s
nits,
which
is
the
luminance
measure.
AL
The
science
around
the
US
Bank
Stadium
would
also
be
allowed
to
be
dynamic
and
lit.
They
would
not
need
to
use
any
sign
credits
to
put
new
signs
there
and
similarly,
on
the
Washington
Avenue
in
Hennepin
sight
under
the
ordinance,
they
would
not
need
to
have
any
sign
credits,
which
is
the
removing
of
non-conforming
science
Verrett
new
ones,
because
of
the
the
the
fact
that
these
areas
along
Washington
and
Hennepin
would
not
need
to
use
sign
credits.
AL
I,
don't
know
how
much
discussion
we
want
to
get
back
into
I
I
would
like
to
say
there
was
a
neighborhood
meeting
that
I
was
not
able
to
attend
on
Tuesday
as
that
I
just
got
in
town
and
had
some
family
business
take
care
of
I
have
had
communication
with
the
DMA.
They
have
a
letter
of
not
vigorously
not
supporting
this
ordinance
change.
In
the
record,
there
was
also
a
letter
from
Green
Minneapolis
not
and
supported.
This
I
also
received
approximately
seven
correspondent,
some
of
which
are
in
your
in
your
packet.
AL
Any
I'm,
sorry
of
Commissioner
Brown
Tiffania,
the
one
piece
that
this
body
did
act
on
previously,
even
though
it
didn't
go
out
as
EMP
was
the
elimination
of
the
prohibition
on
public
financing,
and
so
that's
it
544
120
this
this
body
before
did
recommend
approval
of
stripping
that
out
of
the
code.
I
did
not
get
acted
on
it
at
znp,
but
that
was
a
previous
action.
You
it
opined
on
and
previously,
under
a
slightly
different
version
of
the
the
billboard
changes
you
are
not
in
favor
of
them
in
this
case.
AL
D
K
Mr.
forever,
a
question
that
I
don't
know
if
technically
you'll
be
able
to
answer,
but
you
know
I
I
have
struggled
with
this
text.
Amendment
change,
can
you
just
describe,
and
this
is
the
hard
part?
Can
you
describe
sort
of
worst
case
scenario?
What
this
ordinance
would
would
allow
say
in
the
commons
park
so
say
at
the
corner
of
fourth
important.
Technically
we
would.
K
AL
AL
The
signs
are
generally
under
the
under
the
ordinance
itself.
The
ordinance
is
written
to
really
be
intended
to
be
ridden
for
science,
be
to
roadways
so
that
historically,
that's
where
the
eyes
have
been.
They
are
not
intended
to
have
science
mounted
to
read
into
the
Commons.
So
but
the
fact
is
you're
going
to
have
large,
freestanding
structures
and
at
that
price
point
they're
probably
going
to
be
illuminated
around
there.
So
I
don't
want
to
suggest
you
asked
a
leading
question,
but
I
think
you
answered
it
when
you
asked
it.
Thank
you
all.
G
AL
Know
there
was
there
was
some
talk
about
putting
out
a
straight
prohibition
that
science
would
not
read
into
that.
That
was
not
in
there.
I
suspect
that
that
would
be
something
if
this,
if
it
should
move
forward
and
be
addressed,
there's
there's
another
question.
That's
underlying
this
is
that
the
kana
does
not
really
a
park
at
this
time,
but
it
may
become
a
part,
and
parts
are
for
you're
supposed
to
have
a
spacing
at
300
feet
from
Park.
So
there's
some
timing,
wrinkle
issues
here
that
would
need
to
be
looked
at
if.
AL
B
AE
Evening,
my
name
is
Joe
tambourine
Oh
I'm,
the
chair
of
the
downtown
Minneapolis
Neighborhood
Association
before
I
continue
just
in
full
disclosure.
My
wife
is
Commissioner,
Swezey
and
I
personally
know:
Commissioner
look
Keith
year,
I'm
an
attorney
downtown
I,
have
no
financial
interest
in
billboards
or
ad
accompanies
our
advertising
I'm,
just
the
chair
of
the
downtown
Minneapolis
Neighborhood
Association,
and
we
object
to
this.
For
three
reasons.
One
is
lack
of
notice.
Second,
is
lack
of
any
information
on
authorship
and
third
is
what
it
would
do
to
the
neighborhood
first
notice,
when
mr.
AE
AE
Second,
this
has
no
author
that
we're
able
to
pinpoint
we
know
that
Abdi
were
some.
He
was
a
proponent
of
this,
however,
at
former
councilmember
Johnson's
retirement
party
last
week,
I
personally
had
a
conversation
with
councilmember
were
Sami
and
he
is
not
in
support.
He
told
me
of
the
Washington
Avenue
expansion.
AE
The
overhead,
thank
you
so
as
mister
poor
stated,
this
is
the
this
is.
What
is
now
here
is
what
the
original,
what
the
law
is
right
now
and,
as
you
can
see,
there's
the
downtown
entertainment
district,
which
is
also
the
downtown
entertainment,
billboard,
district
and
there's
the
footprint
of
the
stadium,
and
this
was
originally
presented
before
you
on
September,
18,
2017
and
then
the
first
proposed
change
at
that
same
meeting
was
to
expand
it
to
include
a
right
around
the
western
part
and
the
southern
part
of
the
Commons.
AE
Illuminated
animated
type
of
billboards
as
well
as
would
that
be
allowed
on
the
south
part
of
Washington
Avenue.
If
you
expand
the
downtown
entertainment
billboard
district
into
this
area,
you
would
be
allowed
to
have
maded
vibrant
signs.
If
you
did
not,
then
the
law
as
it
stands
now
would
apply,
which
means
that
we
would
still
remain
in
the
downtown
I
believe
it
is
called
opportunity,
billboard
district.
AE
AE
It
would
not
be
just
painted
signs,
they've
removed
that
it
would
be
wall
signs
and
the
full
definition
of
a
wall
sign
has
not
been
flushed
out.
If
you
read
this,
what
this
would
also
permit,
by
lack
of
definition,
which
is
one
of
our
objections,
is
that
you
could
have
temporary
signs.
These
are
called
projected
light
displays
you
probably
have
seen
them
in
certain
areas
on
holiday
times.
If
you
drive
around
in
suburban
areas,
you
might
see
something
projected
on
the
side
of
a
garage
Santa
sleigh
things
like
that.
AE
AE
H
A
X
My
name
is
Diane
Walsh
commissioners
good
evening
I'm
here
as
a
resident
I
want
to
acknowledge
that
I'm
also
on
the
DMA
and
the
Land
Use
Committee
I
would
like
to
clarify
that
we
did
have
a
Land,
Use
Committee
meeting,
where
we
asked
people
look.
They
wanted
to
come
and
talk
to
us
and
present
to
us
that
they
were
welcome
to
do
that,
but
we
have
not
yet
had
a
neighborhood
forum
advertised
where
we
could
get
the
entire
Downtown
East
and
downtown
West
together
to
discuss
this
ordinance.
X
Speaking
as
a
resident,
I've
lived
downtown
since
1995
I've
lived
in
both
downtown
West
and
downtown
East,
and
over
those
years,
I've
noticed
that
the
city
is
pushing
hard
for
people
to
move
downtown.
We
now
have
40,000
downtown
residents,
and
this
is
our
neighborhood
Washington
Avenue
is
our
neighborhood.
The
downtown
area
is
our
neighborhood.
It's
not
a
neighborhood
just
for
businesses
just
for
advertising,
just
for
entertainment.
X
It's
a
neighborhood
for
living
also,
and
it
matters
to
us
when
we
walk
the
neighborhood,
that
it
feels
comfortable,
that
there
are
trees,
that
there
are
people
around
it
matters
to
us
that
there
not
be
flashing
lights.
A
lot
of
advertisement
going
on,
it's
really
important
to
all
of
us
to
feel
like
we
belong
here
and
frankly,
this
ordinance
feels
like
we're
being
pushed
out,
but
this
is
for
other
people,
people
driving
through
people
seeing
advertisements
and
billboards
superbowl
people
other
an
entertainment
venue
people.
X
T
T
Our
argument
has
been
no
well
well
presented
here
by
basically
would
like
to
elaborate
slightly
why
the
committee
is
opposed
to
this
to
this
ordinance
change.
Primary
reason
is
the
lack
of
notice.
The
lack
of
contact
with
jaw
minded,
which
is
I
mentioned
in
the
letter,
and
a
second
major
reason
is
simply
that
we
we
see
that
would
have
a
direct
and
adverse
effect
on
Downtown
East
residents,
as
Diane
mentioned,
and,
as
was
detailed
in
last
Saturday's
start
at
Oriole
starts
with
an
editorial
on
the
subject.
Excuse
me,
but
there's
another
reason
as
well.
T
T
The
second
is
that
we
believe
that
design
elements
in
public
spaces
can
appreciably
advance
or
hinder
the
development
of
that
kind
of
a
public
of
a
public
realm.
A
good
portion
of
our
work
over
the
last
few
years
has
been
specifically
on
Washington
Avenue
and
on
on
the
Commons
area.
As
we
all
know,
South
Washington
that
whole
area
has
only
recently
been
reclaimed
from
a
sort
of
a
wasteland
that
existed
there.
T
Dilapidated
buildings
surface
parking
lots
the
city's
ordinance
current
ordinance
aimed
at
removing
minimizing
the
blighting
effects
of
signage,
and
billboards
deserves
a
lot
of
credit
for
that
reclamation
of
Washington
Avenue,
as
does
the
city
and
the
county
efforts
to
promote
pedestrian
and
and
bicycle
streets.
The
Land
Use
Committee
supported
the
county's
reconstruction
of
Washington
from
Hennepin
to
5th.
We
look
forward
to
the
future
extension
of
that
reconstruction
and
we
have
actively
encouraged
developers
in
that
area
when
they
have
frontage
on
Washington
Avenue
to
design
their
sidewalk
frontage
in
a
way
that
is
compatible
with
that.
T
With
that
County
design,
South
Washington
is
now
the
central
commercial
corridor
for
downtown
East.
It's
the
it's
the
main
connecting
link
between
downtown
and
the
University.
It
provides
a
direct
line
of
continuity
between
the
revitalization
efforts
in
the
North
Loop
and
those
in
downtown
East.
We
have
worked
with
essentially
all
of
the
projects
along
South
Washington,
on
on
Street
scape,
public
realm
kind
of
issues,
205
Park,
800,
Washington,
a
Thresher
project,
the
ironclad
project
and
we've,
even
even
Bobby
and
Steve's
parking
lot
redevelopment
and
in
all
cases
our
concern
has
been.
T
What
is
the
streetscape
effect
of
your
project?
We've
worked
on
lighting
issues
on
signage.
We've
worked
on
public
amenities.
We've
worked
on
the
building
street
front
designs.
In
fact,
the
net
effect
of
all
of
those
projects
has
been
a
a
a
serious
transformation
of
Washington
Avenue
ISM.
As
a
major
city
thoroughfare.
T
It
has
an
increased
pedestrian
presence,
it
has
a
ever-increasing
vitality.
The
last
thing
it
seems
to
us
that
that
Avenue
needs
is
to
be
treated
in
its
in
a
signage
and
billboard
policy.
As
an
extension
of
Hennepin
Avenue,
which
is
everyone,
will
acknowledge
our
city's
most
problematic
stretch
of
public
realm.
We
have
other
ways
of
sort
of
energizing,
Washington,
Avenue
and,
and
it
has
in
fact
been
energized.
T
The
Commons
is
an
is
a
is
another
matter.
We
all
know
the
Commons
had
a
difficult
birth.
It
continues
to
be
affected
by
the
delivery
complications
of
political
controversy
regarding
stadium
subsidy
regarding
taxpayer
cost.
Regarding
the
privatization
of
public
space,
there
is
no
question
that
adding
dynamic,
lit
billboards
into
that
Commons
area
will
will
further
inflame
those
controversies.
It
will
happen.
T
There
is
also
no
question
that
the
Commons
has
enormous
potential
as
a
public
realm
as
it
yet
to
be
sure
it
has
not
yet
become
the
Great
Lawn
or
the
People's
Park
or
the
or
the
what
are
the
other
ones,
the
city's
kitchen
table,
but
in
but
in
fact
we've
had
several
indications
of
what
the
Commons
can
be.
There
is
a
a
lively
three
seasoned
food
truck
and
and
outdoor
dining
component
along.
Fourth,
we've
had
events
there,
such
as
last
summer's
Orchestra,
Hall
art.
Excuse
me
Minnesota,
Orchestra
concert.
T
Commons
is
a
wonderfully
open
green
space
that
it's
clearly
suitable
for
large
public
gatherings.
It
is
also
a
green
space
where
three
diverse
neighborhoods
come
together:
Elliot,
Park,
Downtown,
East
and
downtown
West.
All
of
those
functions
are
ringed
entirely
true
with
the
idea
of
an
urban
public
Commons.
T
As
you
know,
next
summer,
northern
spark
is
taking
that
idea
of
commons
as
its
central
theme,
where
people
will
examine
and
present
and
celebrate
visions
of
what
it
means
to
have
the
comments,
we're
very
confident
that
none
of
those
visions
will
include
a
call
for
dynamic
glitz
built
within
the
profits.
So
both
Washington
and
Avenue
in
the
streets
surrounding
the
Commons
are
mixed
use,
areas
with
large
and
increasingly
increasing
residential
populations
that
a
city
leaders
regularly
milk
provide
eyes
on
the
street
for
a
public
area.
T
O
Good
evening
my
name
is
Lynn
Regnier
I'm
executive
director
of
the
Elliott
Park
neighborhood.
Our
offices
are
at
609,
South,
10th
Street
I
may
be
the
last
one
to
speak
this
evening,
I'm
also
the
last
one
to
this
party
and
if
it
wasn't
for
DMA,
our
neighborhood
would
know
nothing
about
this
proposal.
It
started
a
year
and
a
half
ago
and
we
just
first
found
out
on
December
15th
I
spoke
with
people
or
Asami's
office
last
week
and
he
represents
Ward
6.
O
Half
of
our
neighborhood
is
Ward
6
I'm,
also
flummoxed
by
the
fact
that
we
contract
with
the
city
to
do
community
engagement
and
to
bring
information
to
our
residents
and
and
people
who
live
work
and
on
property
in
the
neighborhood.
But
we
weren't
given
the
opportunity
to
do
that
in
this
case,
I'm
normally
I
would
be
speaking
on
behalf
of
my
neighborhood,
but
I
don't
know
what
they
want,
because
this
has
not
been
we
presented
to
them.
Mr.
Warsaw
me
is
coming
to
wear
January
18th
land-use
meeting,
and
so
that
will
be
an
opportunity.
O
So
in
the
meantime
I
don't
think.
I
can
specifically
say
what
my
neighborhood
would
want,
except
I
have
worked
there
for
eleven
years,
seven
years
as
executive
director
I'm
retiring
in
32
days,
31,
maybe
so
I
think
I
have
an
idea
of
what
they
would
like
and
do
not
like
and
I'm
pretty
sure
they
do
not
or
will
not
like
this.
So
we
have
a
problem
at
the
process.
O
We
also
have
an
ongoing
problem
with
the
footprint
because,
as
I
have
read
through
all
the
documents
for
the
last
year
and
a
half
and
what
was
presented
at
different
times,
the
footprint
of
this
does
keep
changing
as
Joe
presented
here.
Just
a
few
minutes
ago,
I
can't
figure
out
I
understand
that
I
do
or
Sami
presented
the
original
amendment,
but
his
office
says
it
did
not
include
these
extent
extended
boundaries,
and
so
I
don't
seem
to
understand
where
that
came
from.
Who
is
proposing
that
and
the
why
I
did
hear
mr.
O
pore
just
say
that
we're
seeking
a
robust
building
out
of
off
premises,
billboards
I'm,
not
sure
what
that
exactly
means,
except
I'm,
pretty
sure
my
neighborhood
would
not
support
that.
So
I'm
asking
you
to
I.
Don't
know
do
something
I
understand
that
that
originally
this
was
all
being
presented
to
be
proposed
and
finalized
in
time
for
the
Super
Bowl.
That's
just
a
few
weeks
away.
O
A
AC
AC
I
I'm
starting
to
think
that
I
live
in
the
apartment,
building
that
planning
for
God,
but
since
we're
there
and
Sherman's
building
apartments
right
at
Chicago
and
third,
also
directly
behind
us,
Washington
in
Chicago
is
a
very
large
apartment.
Hotel
development
going
in
most
people
aren't
there
yet
so
they
aren't
even
here
to
weigh
in
the
the
lights
that
we
currently
deal
with
outside
of
our
window.
Even
the
level
that
they're
at
right
now
is
not
healthy.
AC
I
I
have
pictures
of
them,
but
I,
don't
I,
don't
have
any
way
of
projecting
them,
but
you
know
it's.
It's
like.
It
reminds
me
of
the
refinery
just
past
downtown
st.
Paul,
the
Mills
Fleet
Farm
parking
lot
is
lit
with
LED
lights,
very,
very
many
LED
lights,
and
they
they
don't.
They
aren't
contained
it's
where
they're
supposed
to
go.
We
have
two
regular
billboards
right
outside
my
window
that
are
in
the
light
that
are
lit
and
even
that
lighting
is
disruptive.
AC
We
simply
don't
have
the
capacity
for
more
lighting
around
there.
You
have
apartments
on
the
other
side
of
the
Commons,
there's
another
apartment,
building
directly
on
the
other
side
of
the
stadium
to
the
south,
and
so
there's
a
whole
lot
more
of
us
that
are
affected
by
this
then
and
and
I.
Think
that
just
saying
oh
we're
round
the
stadium
all
around
the
stadium,
all
around
the
stadium
is
okay.
AC
It's
not
like
right
now.
Yeah
the
Superbowl
is
a
big
thing
for
some
people.
When
you
live
right
there
and
you've
you've
not
been
no
one's
inquired
about
what
effect
this
has
on
you.
It
disrupts
our
transportation.
Even
game
days
do
and
they
put
up
chain-link
fences
and
you
feel
like
you're
intruding
in
your
own
neighborhood
right
now.
The
light
across
the
street
is
a
staging
area
for
the
Superbowl
and
it's
been
nothing
but
J.
Gorham
s,
machinery
coming
in
and
sub
in
last
night
I
actually
brought
this
to
the
city.
AC
AC
AC
I've
been
a
resident
of
Minneapolis
for
30
years
and
I
have
just
never
been
made
to
feel
this
way
and
I
think
somebody
needs
to
draw
the
line
about
what's
appropriate
in
supporting
professional
sports
teams
and
advertising
agencies
and
making
all
of
downtown
livable
for
all
of
us.
So
I
would
really
appreciate
your
no
vote.
Thank.
A
K
So
I
continue
to
be
challenged
by
this
text,
amendment
and
no
disrespect
to
mr.
poor
because
he
has
worked
diligently
with
us
bringing
this
forward.
But
for
me
this
look
is
like
the
rash
that
won't
go
away.
I,
don't
see
how
this
supports
any
of
the
Comprehensive
Plan
goals.
I,
don't
see
how
this
improves
look.
Building
downtown,
all
I
see,
is
negative
and
adverse
effects,
so
I
will
not
be
supporting
this,
but
in
lieu
of
that,
I'd
probably
propose
that
we
would
continue
this
one
more
cycle.
I
would.
G
A
H
K
Personally,
I'm
challenged
with
this
on
multiple
fronts,
because
I
do
believe
that
if
we
as
a
Planning
Commission
body,
were
to
deny
this
that
it's
still
going
to
be
approved,
so
I
would
love
to
give
the
residents
their
their
due
diligence
to
hear
the
text
amendments
prior
to
making
a
final
decision
on
the
amendments.
I
could.