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From YouTube: November 14, 2019 Zoning & Planning Committee
Description
Minneapolis Zoning & Planning Committee Meeting
https://lims.minneapolismn.gov
A
Good
morning,
I'm
gonna
call
to
order
this
regular
meeting
of
the
zoning
and
planning
committee
for
Thursday
November
14th.
My
name
is
Jeremy
Schrader
and
I'm.
The
chair
of
this
committee
with
me
at
the
dais,
our
councilmember
Reich,
councilmember,
Goodman
and
councilmember
Gordon.
Let
the
record
reflect
that
we
have
a
quorum.
A
We've
got
five
items
on
today's
agenda,
including
a
quasi-judicial
hearing
and
a
discussion
item
and
we'll
first
handle
the
consent
agenda.
Item
number
2
is
the
referring
to
staff
an
ordinance
striking
the
owner
occupancy
requirement
pertaining
to
accessory
dwelling
units.
Item
number
three
is
a
vacation
resolution
application
submitted
by
the
Metropolitan
Council.
A
Five
and
six
of
this
item
relating
to
the
elevator
to
the
vacation
application
until
our
January
23rd
2022,
meeting
srini
discussion
of
these
items
or
it
ain't
committee
members
like
to
pull
anything
off.
Oh
I'm,
sorry
2020
got
a
little
bit
ahead
of
myself
any
other
discussion,
not
seeing
any
I've
all
those
in
favor
vote.
Aye
all
those
opposed
say.
No,
the
ice
habit
and
the
motion
carries
moving
on
to
item
number.
B
Morning,
Sharon
councilmembers
the
site
before
you
is
at
41:59
Hiawatha
Avenue.
This
went
before
the
Planning
Commission
on
October
21st.
It's
an
application
for
site
plan,
our
view
to
allow
two
new
one
story:
buildings
and
the
drive
through
the
Planning
Commission
denied
the
application
for
site
plan
review
and
an
appeal
was
filed
by
the
owner
on
October
29th.
B
So
this
site
is
located
at
the
northeast
corner
of
Hiawatha
and
42nd.
This
did
come
through
to
Planning
Commission
last
year
with
a
different
but
somewhat
similar
proposal
where
it
was
a
four-story
building
proposed
with
a
very
similar
site
plan.
This
is
now
back
because
the
applicant
has
decided
not
to
build
the
three
storeys
of
apartments
above
the
first
floor
at
this
time.
So
it's
the
proposed
buildings
include
a
Starbucks
drive-through
which
is
located
to
the
interior
of
the
site
and
then
a
kind
of
liner
building
that
would
include
a
restaurant
and
offices.
B
However,
in
the
last
year
and
half
there
have
been
a
lot
of
changes
with
regards
to
how
traffic
has
been
evaluating
similar
sites
that
that
allow
left
turns
into
a
busy
drive-through
or
retail
area,
especially
when
its
adjacent
to
a
corridor
and
thoroughfare
like
Hiawatha.
So
this
site,
Public,
Works
and
planning
staff,
have
concerns
that
left
turns
into
the
site,
would
potentially
backup
into
the
intersection
of
Hiawatha,
Avenue
and
42nd
and
I
have
Allen
from
traffic.
Here
who
can
speak
to
that?
B
A
little
bit
more,
so
initially,
staff
had
recommended
approval
of
the
application,
with
two
conditions
that
basically
restricted
left
turns
into
and
out
of
the
site.
So
we
requiring
that
the
applicant
design,
the
cut
driveway
and
signage
to
only
allow
left
turns
in
and
out,
and
that
also
the
applicant
work
with
Public
Works
to
potentially
construct
a
median
or
something
else
that
would
you
know
permanently
prohibit
left
turns
into
the
site.
So,
as
you
can
see
on
this
aerial
view,
the
the
eastbound
lane
on
42nd
is
only
it's
only
one.
B
It's
only
one
lane
there's
no
opportunity
for
turning
because
of
the
three
lanes
that
allow
for
turning
movements
and
through
movements
going
westbound
into
the
Hiawatha
intersection
and
here's
just
another
photo
showing
that
word.
There's
also
kind
of
that
slip.
Slip
lane
for
right
turns
that
that
feeds
into
a
forty
second.
B
This
is
a
proposal
that
the
applicant
had
submitted
after
the
initial,
the
middle,
which
shows
some
modifications
to
the
right
of
wait
that
would
potentially
allow
for
the
striping
of
a
left
turn
lane.
Staff
is
still
not
recommending
approval
of
this
proposal.
It
would
require
cutting
into
the
public
right-of-way
on
the
south
of
pedestrian
realm
and
Boulevard.
On
the
south
side
to
widen
the
lanes,
it
would
add
an
additional
lane
which
adds
additional
pedestrian
travel
time
across
42nd,
and
you
know,
could
still
have
queuing
problems
with
left
turns.
B
C
You
know
as
Senator
did
that
send
it
a
little
bitter.
You
know,
as
Lindsay
mentioned
her
bigness
her
from
public
works
perspective
is
all
about
safety
and
I'll
just
be
real
clear.
We
do
not
think
there's
a
safe
way
to
handle
left
turn
in
and
out
of
this
site
on
42nd.
This
close
and
adjacent
to
Hiawatha
and
I
just
want
to
kind
of
underscore
the
fact
that
safety
has
always
been
a
very
important
part
of
what
we
do
in
public
works,
certainly
Traffic,
Division,
I
think
the
last
year
or
two,
it's
even
elevated.
C
It's
probably
the
prime
initiative
that
we
have
going
on
in
our
department.
I
put
this
up
just
for
reference.
I
know
you're
all
very
familiar
with
it.
Our
visions,
our
action
plan
and
I
just
want
to
stress
that
that
informs
really
all
of
what
we
do
in
public
works.
It's
why
we're
at
the
legislature
this
spring,
arguing
on
behalf
the
cities
getting
the
right
to
set
all
the
speed
limits
it
informs
our
bike
master
plan.
It
even,
of
course,
informs
things
like
site
plan,
review
and
really
I.
C
C
You
know
in
the
cues
that
develop
along
42nd.
We
strongly
felt
there's
no
way
to
safely
get
cars
in
and
out
via,
left
turns
and
I
just
want
to
talk
to
the
two
conditions
that
Lindsey
mentioned
and
reflect
what
our
perspective
was
from
Public
Works.
The
first
condition
was
to
design
the
driveway
design
it
and
sign
it's
stripe
it
and
so
forth
in
such
a
manner
that
only
right
turns
in
and
out
would
be
made
in
a
prohibit
left
turns
the
second
condition.
I
wanna
be
real
clear
in
this.
C
The
second
condition
was
like
an
overlay
on
top
of
that
first
condition,
and
what
the
second
condition
basically
said
was,
and
if
Public
Works
does
not
feel
that
the
design
you
put
forward
would
positively
prohibit
left
turns
then
you're
obligated
to
work
with
us
to
come
up
with
something
in
the
public
right
away,
median
barrier.
What
have
you
they
would
prohibit?
Those
left
turns
so
again
it
was
kind
of
our
right
to
call
the
question
if
we
didn't
think
the
driveway
design
by
itself
could
suffice.
C
It
was
not
an
invitation
to
work
with
us
to
come
up
with
a
left
turn
option.
It's
gonna
be
real
clear
about
it,
so
it's
not
about
a
tweak
to
a
design
or
dimension
or
traffic
forecasts.
You
know
we're
not
arguing
little
details
like
that.
Our
whole
basic
point
was
no
less
in
and
out,
and
if
you
can't
do
it
with
your
driveway
designed
by
itself,
then
you
have
to
work
with
us
on
the
public
right
away.
Real
quick
example.
C
If
we're
that
hasn't
worked
well
for
us
just
a
couple
months
ago,
the
Aldi
store
in
lyndale
26,
South
opened
and
basically,
for
that
site
plan
review.
We
had
that
first
condition
design
the
driveway
to
only
low
right,
seen
and
rights
out.
We
didn't
have
that
second
condition.
You
know
that
site
has
not
been
successful
for
us.
We
had
a
lot
of
issues
with
cars,
trying
to
turn
left
in
and
out
of
the
site
and
we're
gonna
be
working
with
all
these.
C
C
Kind
of
got
the
other
end
of
town
up
Northeast.
This
is
Broadway
immediately
east
of
Central,
where
we
have
spy
house
coffee,
a
very
kind
attraction,
and
now
that's
Tyler
Street,
that's
a
street!
That's
right!
There,
that's
obviously
a
public
street,
but
because
the
amount
of
traffic
tried
to
turn
left
in
and
out
with
the
backups
from
Central
and
what
was
going
on
there.
We
had
to
work
with
the
county
and
we
actually
prohibit
the
left
term
movement.
So
just
this
fall
the
county
and
the
city
together.
C
This
is
a
picture
from
the
other
direction
put
out
these
bollards
along
the
center
line.
They're
deposited,
we
prohibit
the
left,
turn
so
again
long
story
short
when
we
had
these
kind
of
developments
with
these
high
traffic
activities
really
close
to
major
intersection
and
I
could
go
on
and
on
about
Hiawatha
it's
on
our
hike
ration
network
really
concerned
about
safety.
We
just
don't
see
a
way
that
there
that
we
can
accommodate
those
left.
C
So
just
in
closing,
I'll
say
that
when
we
look
at
safety
conditions,
there's
kind
of
two
words
we
use
any
time
we
do
a
safety
analysis.
One
of
them
is
a
reactive
approach.
One
of
them
is
a
proactive
approach
in
a
reactive
project.
We
have
a
document
and
safety
condition
and
we
go
out
there.
We
try
to
fix
it.
This
is
an
example
of
case
in
point
from
a
proactive
approach.
We
try
to
look
at
the
beginning
of
a
project
whether
we're
designing
new
facility
looking
at
a
site
plan
or
what-have-you.
C
We
try
to
employ
best
practices
and
design
that
safety
and
right
from
the
get-go,
so
that
we're
not
coming
out
after
the
fact
trying
to
train
to
amend
it.
So
just
in
closing
I'd
say
we
don't
feel
there's
any
way.
That
left
turns
can
be
surprise
for
this
site
and
we're
strongly
against
them.
Thank
you.
Thank.
D
Is
a
question
maybe
for
somebody
who
could
help
me
understand
why
the
Planning
Commission
did
what
they
did
so
I'm,
not
sure
whether
that's
public
works
are
planning,
but
the
impression
I'm
getting
is
that
they
decided
not
to
impose
they've.
Had
the
full
authority
to
impose
this
condition
on
no
left
turns,
but
they
didn't
do
it
and
instead
denied
the
entire
application.
That's.
D
B
Some
of
the
concerns
from
commissioners
was
that,
if
left
turns
were
prohibited
into
the
site,
as
recommended
by
staff,
that
it
would
still
create
serious,
vehicular
circulation
issues
because,
if
left
turns
are
prohibited,
how
would
cars
be
getting
into
the
drive-through
at
all?
And
so
there
was,
you
know
some
concern
that
it
would
be
cars
going
up
to
the
next
intersection,
taking
u-turns
and
then
coming
around
to
get
right
turns
into
and
out
of
the
proposed
drive-through
I
think
that
that
and
just
kind
of
the
unknown
of
that
you
know
circulation.
B
So
even
they
were
not
amenable
to
left,
turns
at
Planning
Commission,
but
they
also
saw
that
there
might
be
other
unintended
vehicular
consequences
of
prohibiting
left
turns
because
it
would
be
difficult
for
for
folks
driving
down
Hiawatha
to
get
into
the
site.
If
that's
what
they
were
trying
to
do
if
left
turns,
were
prohibited,
and
so
it
might
create
other
traffic
and
circulation
issues
in
the
neighborhood.
B
C
D
So,
and
maybe
I
should
wait
till
after
the
public
hearing
but
I'm
a
little
bit
curious
about
what
other
conditions
we
could
possibly
put
on
something
I
think
partly
this
whole.
All
this
problem
is
created
because
of
the
idea
of
the
drive-through
for
their
coffee
shop,
instead
of
just
a
regular
standard,
coffee
shop
and
I'm,
not
sure
if
we
have
the
authority
to
put
a
condition
on
it
that
they
can't
operate
a
drive-through
at
this
point,
so
it
seems
like
we're
missing
some
conditions
to
make
this.
D
A
E
I'm
also
wondering
if
Lindsey
could
you
answer
just
it
just
seems
nonsensical
to
me
on
Hiawatha
that
I
have
a
one-story
building
with
a
drive
through.
Am
I
just
pointing
out
something
that's
obvious,
or
does
that
been
discussed?
Also
I
mean?
Why
would
we
even
want,
what's
the
zoning
going
to
be
in
the
2040
plan?
What's
the
zoning
currently,
but
why
would
we
be
happy
with
a
one-story
building
with
a
drive-thru
at
42nd?
E
Strength
of
10,
its
transit
10,
so
that
probably
says
something
really
loudly
to
me
and
I
mean
I
am
NOT
a
big
fan
of
doing
this
kind
of
thing
in
an
industrial
district
anyway,
because
we
have
such
a
limited
amount
of
industrial
space.
If
we
were
if
this
was
actually
like
a
job-creating
large,
job-creating
industrial
site,
maybe
for,
like
you
know
some
sort
of
production
that
would
make
some
sense,
but
like
a
coffee
shop
and
an
i1
and
then
transit
10
sounds
like
don't.
E
G
A
G
G
C
Okay,
I
think
I'm.
Your
second
question
so
I
think
our
first
approach
through
policy
and
safety
analysis
was
to
prohibit
the
left
turns
I.
Think
the
second
issues
you're
referring
to
her,
the
than
the
greater
circulation
in
and
around
the
neighborhood
Lindsay,
spoke
a
bit
to
that
a
few
moments
ago.
You
know
I,
guess
our
assumption
is,
and
the
applicant
may
speak
to
it
too.
If
they
know
their
market
share
an
area
and
whatnot.
C
But
you
know
vehicles
heading
northbound
on
Hiawatha
that
would
approach
I
want
to
approach
the
store,
I
assume
anyone
would
turn
on
246,
probably
I
guess
go
up
to
Minnehaha
loop
around
and
come
back.
You
know
make
a
series
of
left
turns
and
then
a
right
turn
into
the
site
and
now
I
think
that
was
seen
as
the
dist
benefit.
If
you
will
or
the
the
greater
neighborhood
impact
that
the
planning
Commissioner
spoke
to,
is
it
there?
You
know
there
would
be
access
to
the
site.
You
know
writing
right
out.
C
We
allow
access
to
the
site,
obviously,
but
for
a
certain
part
of
the
market
segment
for
the
store,
they
would
have
a
more
circuitous
route.
Lindsay
also
referred
to
things
like
people
who
do
jump
in
a
Hiawatha
might
be
tempted
to
try
u-turns.
You
know
we
do
see
that
in
certain
certain
parts
of
town
where
people
head
off
the
Main
Street
they
want
to
get
in
somewhere.
There's
a
meeting
or
barrier
and
they'll
kind
of
do
some
funny
maneuvers.
So
it
kind
of
has
a
spillover
effect
of
you
know.
C
A
Thank
you,
I'll.
Let
the
record
reflect
have
been
joined
by
the
comes
president,
not
seeing
any
other
questions.
I'm
going
to
now
open
the
the
hearing.
I'll
first
give
the
opponent
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
the
committee.
Do
you
have
a
representative
that
would
like
to
speak?
If
you
can
say
your
name
and
address
for
the
record?
Certainly.
H
Good
morning
my
name
is
Niclas:
Ellis
I'm,
the
owner/operator
and
developer
of
the
car,
wash
at
42nd
and
Hiawatha,
were
here
seeking
approval
of
our
site
plan
with
the
originally
conditions
that
were
given
to
us
and
not
the
two
that
were
added
the
following
day.
Two
days
before
the
Planning
Commission,
we
were
scheduled
to
go
to
on
September,
23rd
I,
think
that
was
here's
a
image
of
the
site
we
built
this
car
wash
in
1985
we've
been
there
34
years,
it's
a
very
profitable
location
and
continues
to
be.
H
We
started
looking
at
the
development
of
this
site
in
2014
and
literally,
we
have
like
a
hundred
different
variations
of
this
site
and
in
talking
to
potential
tenants
and
in
talking
to
Andrew,
the
council,
number,
etc,
etc.
We
came
up
with
this
building
concept
that
has
an
exposed,
drive-through
and
a
Starbucks
and
a
restaurant.
H
When
we
took
this
plan
to
the
committee
of
the
whole
unanimously,
they
thought
it
was
a
bad
idea.
They
wanted.
In
fact,
one
of
them
said
you
gotta
put
housing
on
the
site,
even
if
it
was
totally
compliant.
You
got
to
put
housing,
otherwise
we're
gonna
turn.
You
down
and
give
you
a
little
bit
of
background
myself:
I
used
to
develop
a
lot
of
real
estate
back
in
the
80s
with
my
former
partner,
we
developed
East
sales
in
the
upper
left-hand
corner
here,
boardwalk
and
Park
Place
on
the
Near
North
Side.
H
That
was
on
the
cover
of
the
Minneapolis
housing
redevelopment
of
30.
For
a
couple
years
we
developed
the
Old
West
high
school
site,
okay
was
senior
55
and
older
and
townhomes
in
the
back.
The
YWCA
we
built
this
project
called
the
lights
over
by
Westlake,
Street
and
true
Avenue.
So
we've
got
a
lot
of
experience
in
housing,
the
architect
for
our
42nd
and
HI.
The
property
is
erika
tech
that
designed
five
of
these
six
projects,
so
we're
very
comfortable
with
housing.
So
we
took
all
this
input
about
housing.
You
know,
Andrew
said
housing.
H
You
know
you
should
consider
housing.
We
said.
Okay,
maybe
we're
wrong.
Maybe
we
should
put
housing
on
the
site,
so
we
came
back
with
this
plan
that
you're
seeing
here
that
has
the
first
level
that's
identical
to
the
site
plan,
we're
looking
to
get
approved
today,
plus
three
stories
of
housing.
Above
it
a43
micro,
kind
of
smaller
apartments,
and
the
this
plan
was
approved
unanimously
by
the
Planning
Commission,
and
there
were
no
restrictions
on
left
turns
in
and
out
of
the
site.
Okay,
so
in
the
spring
of
2019,
you
know
we
did
more
due
diligence.
H
We
we
thought
the
market
wasn't
ready
for
housing
on
the
site.
Okay,
so
we
wanted
to
take
the
plan
that
we
had
gotten
approval
on
and
break
it
into
two
pieces
phase.
One
phase
two
and
we
got
every
department
signed
off,
said
it
was
okay,
including
the
left
turn
in
and
out
was
okay
with
43
units
of
housing
on
top
okay,
but
the
Planning
Department
told
us,
you
can't
phase
the
development
because
it's
so
different,
even
though
it's
identical
we're
breaking
it
into
two
pieces.
We
couldn't
do
that.
H
We
had
to
go
back
through
the
Planning
Commission,
so
we
did
in
fact
just
do
that
and
we
submitted
our
identical
plan
just
first
floor
only
and
we
put
in
the
infrastructure
to
support
three
storeys
above
it.
So
the
staff
issued
their
report.
They
had
eight
conditions.
We
were
okay
with
those
and
then
the
following
day.
They
came
at
us
with
two
more
left
turns
in
no
left
turn
in
and
out
and
the
potential
for
median
okay.
H
We
asked
for
a
couple
of
extensions
and
we
hired
them
swing
who's
standing
here
with
swing
traffic
solutions
to
work
with
us
to
come
up
with
a
solution
to
this
left
turn
in
and
out.
Okay,
and
what
was
really
perplexing
to
us
is
why
Alan
would
not
meet
with
us.
He
refused
to
meet
with
us.
We
had
to
deal
with
it
with
him
by
email
or
the
Public
Works
Department.
H
So
our
solution
in
fact
improves
the
situation.
There
reduces
pedestrian
safety,
I
mean
increases,
pedestrian
safety
and
I'll.
Tell
you
how
first
of
all
you
might
be
asking
the
question:
do
we
have
enough
park
park
parking
spots
for
the
stacking
spots
for
the
drive-through?
Well,
according
to
studies
and
then
here
in
the
Twin
Cities,
the
average,
the
queue
for
drive
up
coffee
shops
is
nine
point.
Four
vehicles
and
the
maximum
observed.
U
is
14
in
this
yellow
highlighted
area.
H
So,
let's
take
a
look
at
the
car
wash
it's
a
very
intensive
automotive
use,
and
this
is
by
far
our
biggest
most
profitable
location
that
we
have
based
on
our
average
ticket
sale.
We
do
500
cars
a
day
coming
to
our
site,
on
an
average
and
in
the
wintertime
because
of
the
salt
and
snow.
We
actually
do
more
business
there,
so
it
actually
peaks
in
an
average
of
700
vehicles
a
day.
H
H
So
since
the
Planning
Commission
meeting
I
asked
Starbucks
to
tell
me
how
much
traffic
do
they
project
the
site's
going
to
generate?
They
took
a
look
at
four
other
locations.
They
have
here
in
the
Twin
Cities
and
they're,
projecting
463
vehicles
a
day,
so
pretty
comparable
numbers
in
terms
of
what
our
traffic
we
generate
and
what
Starbucks
is
projecting
to
generate
now
burn
he's
been
involved
in
lots
of
projects
and
I've
taken
gotten
for
up
for
him
for
projects
from
him.
H
That
are
that
he
mentioned
first
of
all,
he
reconfigured
about
a
third
of
all
the
signals
in
the
city
of
Boston
for
the
city
of
Boston.
He
also
developed
the
transportation
plan
for
the
America's
Cup
for
the
country
of
Bermuda.
He
also
did
a
full
traffic
study
for
a
thousand
acre
site
in
the
city
of
Blaine
called
the
lakes
and,
lastly,
he
did
a
transportation
demand
management
plan
for
the
redevelopment
of
cross
Anderson's
headquarter
block
here
in
the
city.
H
So
our
solution
was
to
add
a
left
turn
lane
into
a
white
in
the
street.
Take
six
feet
of
our
property,
actually
five
feet
of
our
property
and
widen
the
street
and
create
a
left
turn
lane
and
the
advantages
of
that
allows
vehicles
to
bypass
going
across.
So
they
don't
have
to
await
and
it
easily
handles
the
traffic
to
the
site
both
now
and
in
the
future.
H
H
So
Verne
using
software
called
synchros
and
traffic
software
that
training
in
traffic
engineer
professionals
use
came
up
with
the
number
forty
feet
that
represents
95
percent
of
the
time
or
less
there'll
be
40
feet
of
cars,
waiting
to
turn
left.
Okay
and
the
software
is
recognized
all
over
the
country.
H
So
what
does
that
look
like
on
our
site?
You'll
see
in
the
lower
left
hand,
side
to
yellow
that
yellow
highlighted
area?
Those
are
the
two
cars
if
the
green
is
all
the
remaining
space
that's
available
for
left
turn
lanes.
So
what
I?
What
I
did
is?
I
actually
went
and
I'm
gonna
play
you
this
little
video
snippet.
H
And
I'm
turning
left
off
of
Hiawatha
onto
42nd
Street
I've
got
I'm
going
down
the
right
turn
lane
of
in
the
other
Lane,
and
you
see
these
two
orange
cones.
That's
the
40
foot
mark
of
the
left
turn
lane.
So
in
theory,
there
are
no
cars
up
until
that
95%
of
the
time,
and
let
me
play
that
again
because.
H
H
H
And
these
I
don't
know
if
this
is
right:
nomenclature
but
drop
lanes.
There
are
drop
planes
all
over
the
city
of
Minneapolis
there's
one
at
Hennepin
and
Lake
Street,
where
literally
you
got
two
lanes
that
could
go
straight
and
and
the
right-hand
lane.
Actually
you
have
to
beer
off
because
it
drops
off
at
the
end
of
as
you
cross
lake
street
and
similarly
at
36
in
Hennepin
by
liquid
cemetery,
one
block
west
of
Linda
on
26th
Street
at
Aldrich.
H
It
dropped
bowling,
drops
and
at
50th
and
Colfax
same
situation,
and
there
are
examples
throughout
the
Twin
Cities
such
as
this
one
in
Crystal,
so
well.
Pedestrian
safety
be
affected
by
adding
five
or
six
feet
to
the
crosswalk
and
basically
the
amount
of
time
it
takes
to
do
that
as
two
more
seconds.
H
But
the
signal
time
on
Hiawatha
is
actually
greater
than
24
seconds,
so
it's
not
going
to
affect
people
crossing
42nd,
Street
and
furthermore,
if
you're
gonna
walk
or
ride
your
bike
in
this
area,
there
are
better
streets
too
and
prettier
streets
to
ride
your
bike
on
which
is
basically
Dighton,
Snelling
and
then
haven't
got
less
traffic,
better
lands.
Better
streetscape
and
my
manager
night
were
hard-pressed
ever
remember.
Somebody
crossing
42nd
Street
on
Hiawatha
and
we've
been
there
30-plus
years
and
in
the
future.
H
Hiawatha
trail,
which
is
adjacent
to
our
site,
will
be
there
for
people
to
ride
their
bikes
in
what
and
improving
safety.
We
have
two
curb
cuts.
This
one
26
feet
is
a
few
feet
away
from
the
corner
of
42nd
in
Hiawatha
that
is
going
to
be
removed
once
we
redevelop
the
site
and
there's
an
improved
Road
alignment
between
the
cars
going
back
and
forth
across
Hiawatha,
because
the
roads
line
up
better
than
they
do
now
and.
H
Basically,
I
want
to
summarize
a
couple
of
things
here:
Andrew
Johnson
responded
to
somebody
that
was
objecting
to
the
redevelopment
of
our
site.
You
know
back
in
the
in
2018,
we
were
asked
to
put
in
housing
and
we
almost
demanded
to
put
in
housing,
and
so
we
responded
by
doing
that
and
in
June
of
2019
we
met
with
Andrew
and
he
asked
us
so
it
was
probably
before
then
asked
us
to
reach
out
to
housing
developers
on
this
site,
because
we
didn't
think
it
was
ready.
H
Maybe
somebody
else
thought
it
was
ready,
so
we
reached
out
to
18
developers
and
never
got
anywhere
with
any
of
them
and
to
this
date
we
still
haven't
heard
back
and
when
faced
with
these
last-minute
additions
to
the
criteria
of
proof,
we
went
on
hired
two
consultants
to
try
to
solve
this
problem,
and
you
know
we've
been
asked
by
some
people.
What
guarantee
do
we
have
you're
gonna?
Do
housing
well
well
gladly
do
housing
we're
a
for-profit
developer?
H
H
E
H
H
E
H
H
H
H
E
C
Sure
councilmembers
I
might
characterize
it
a
little
different.
If
I
may,
you
know,
stuff
happened
fast,
I'll
acknowledge
that
stop
happened
fast,
Verna
I
have
known
each
other,
probably
15,
20
years
in
the
profession
he's
a
good
professional.
So
let's
be
real.
You
know
clear
about
that.
The
design
team
sent
me
three
hand-drawn
sketches
with
marker
pen.
On
top
of
aerials.
We
responded
to
those.
We
were
very
clear
in
saying
we
didn't
support
the
left-turn,
we're
not
looking
to
see
how
to
make
it
work.
There
was.
We
felt
there
was
nothing.
C
We
felt
there
was
nothing
to
work
with
I'll,
just
say
it
that
way.
So
in
kinetic
I
said
in
my
opening
remarks,
it
wasn't
about
tweaking
the
layout
to
come
up
with
the
final
one
that
mr.
parsall's
presented.
You
know
we
were,
you
know
we
were
saying
no
left
turn.
We
were
getting
hand-drawn
sketches
with
marker
pen,
I
I
didn't
see
any
way
to
bridge
that
gap.
We'll
just
tell
you
that
so
I
would
I'd
like
to
say:
I
was
responsive
via
phone
calls
and
emails.
C
E
C
C
A
reduction
right,
you
know,
go
back
to
what
I
said
about
our
proactive
approach
to
safety
and
managing
access
is
one
of
the
most
important
things
we
can
do,
especially
in
a
busy
road
like
this
I.
Don't
envy
the
position
you're
in
I
know
it's
really
tough
when
two
engineers
are
arguing
numbers
and
statistics
and
modeling
forecasts,
and
things
like
that
and
I'm
not
trying
to
dispute
the
numbers
of
mr.
bristles
presented.
I
know
from
my
experience.
You
know:
councilmember
Schrader,
you
have
a
fairly
recent
coffee
shop
in
Year
award.
My
colleagues
in
st.
C
Paul
talk
about
the
Starbucks
at
Marshall
and
Snelling
I
could
go
on
and
these
coffee
shops
are
notorious
for
their
peaking
characteristics.
We
have
backups
on
42nd,
in
fact,
I
think,
just
ironically,
this
random
photo
that's
in
the
city,
aerial
photo
base
and
I,
don't
know
the
time
of
day
was
taken,
but
the
random
photo
shows
a
queue
that
extends
beyond
where
the
driveways
are
I
mean
that's
a
sort
of
thing
these
left
turns
coming
in
or
out
are
going
to
contend
with.
So
a
compliment.
C
Going
back
to
your
question,
you
know:
I
agree
that
one
driver
is
better
than
two
moving.
The
driveway
is
four
furthest
east
as
possible.
Is
the
right
direction
to
do,
but
there's
nothing
in
that
with
it.
That
would
cause
me,
or
my
colleagues
and
Public
Works,
to
support
left
turns
into
that
facility
and
again
I
just
want
to
say
one
more
time
our
proactive
approach
to
safety,
and
you
know
the
way
we
look
at
these
things.
It's
not
just
saying:
where
was
their
problem?
What
can
I
do
to
stop
that
or
change
that
it's?
C
E
E
There
are
developers
so
that
I
mean
they've
done
projects
around
the
city,
our
staff,
it
doesn't
look
good
to
say
we
won't
meet
with
them.
I'm
not
sure
I'm
feel
like
this
has
to
kind
of
go
back
to
the
council
office
to
negotiate
something
I,
don't
really
want
to
negotiate
something
here,
but
I
can
kind
of
see
where
this
is
headed.
I'm
not
empathetic
about
having
a
drive
through
I'm
like
the
last
person
to
be
empathetic
about
that,
but
I
don't
think
we
can
work
this
out.
I
will
tell
you
mr.
E
boo
solace,
we're
not
going
to
let
you
put
in
a
new
lane
mate.
You
drive
through
our
whole
vision.
Zero
plan
is
to
have
less
space
across,
not
more
so
I,
don't
see
how
that's
an
alternative
I
feel
like
we're
caught
in
this
weird
situation,
but
we're
being
asked
here
to
basically
like
redesign
his
plan
so.
A
It
was
a
lot
of
work
to
try
and
make
some
that
use
work
on
that
site,
and
then
one
thing
that
would
add
is
we
didn't,
have
the
same
numbers
about
the
carwash
I
mean
it
is
something
if
you
have
a
really
good
use
there
already
and
of
course
you
can
do
whatever
you
want
with
through
property
like
its.
It
begs
the
question
on
some
of
the
other
arguments
and
better
that
have
been
used
for
this
I.
Don't
know
if
that
helps
at
all.
No.
E
Not
so
much
because
I
mean
I,
we
have
an
open
public
hearing,
I'm
conscious
of
that
I'm,
also
conscious
that
this
could
be
heading
towards
court
pretty
quickly.
They
have
two
curb
cuts
and
they
use
like
hundreds
of
cars
and
now
they're
gonna
have
one
curb
cut.
They're
gonna
have
less
cars
and
we're
saying
that
we
want
housing.
Therefore,
we
want
to
tell
them
what
to
do
with
their
property.
E
Well,
if
we
want
to
tell
them
what
to
do,
we
might
as
well
buy
it
I,
don't
see
how
we
get
away
with
telling
him
that
the
fabulous
has
to
be
in
place
instead
of
the
good
when
what's
there
now,
arguably
is
bad,
but
I,
don't
think
they
should
be
telling
us
that
we
should
create
a
new
lane
for
them,
because
that
is
completely
contrary
to
everything
we're
doing
right
now.
I
can
see
mr.
Wegman
is
concerned.
I
just
feel
like.
Do
we
not
have
time
to
have
people
collaborate
to
try
to
work
something
out?
H
Councilmember,
you
know
we
responded
with
a
left
turn
lane
because
of
the
criteria
that
were
added
to
our
approval,
so
we
are
comfortable
with
not
adding
a
left
turn
lane,
but
we're
just
trying
to
respond
to
the
objection
that
public
works
at
and
the
only
reason
we
sent
sketches
to
Allen
is
because
we
couldn't
develop
a
full
plan
because
we
had
no
conversation
going
so
we
were
putting
a
sketch
together.
Does
this
work
no
put
another
sketch
together?
H
H
A
H
I
Yes,
I
I've
actually
been
the
traffic
engineer
for
several
Starbucks
that
have
gone
in
and
I
have
observed
for
recently
observed
for
for
a
different
project
for
existing
Starbucks
or
Caribous
in
the
northwest
Metro
and
from
those
observations,
your
your
your
intuition
is
correct.
There's
more
traffic
coming
in
the
morning
than
during
the
rest
of
the
day.
If
you
look
at
Starbucks
they're
their
own
statistics
from
7:00
to
11:00
the
yet
39%
of
their
traffic,
the
remainder
of
the
day
and
they
get
the
other
60%.
When.
I
I
And
Saturday
is
even
greater
yeah,
but
when
you
look
at
when
you
look
at
ite
statistics
for
those
things,
the
the
amount
of
ite
being
the
Institute
of
Transportation
engineers,
statistics
for
those
things,
the
amount
of
traffic
during
the
those
Peaks
that
are
going
to
the
carwash
and
the
PM
is
in
fact
nearly
analogous
to
the
amount
of
people
going
to
the
Starbucks
in
the
a.m.
so
we'll
change
the
peaking
characteristic
for
the
site.
However,
the
amount
of
traffic
on
Hiawatha
is
is
roughly
35%
higher
during
the
PM
peak
than
it
is
during
the
a.m.
I
D
I'll
just
also
offer
typically
when
you're
gonna
go
wash
your
car
somewhere,
you
figure
out
your
route.
It's
not
something
you're
zooming
into
on
your
way,
so
having
to
go
to
Minnehaha
and
come
up
and
get
to
approach
it
from
that
direction
is
a
very
different
story.
It
seems
like
you're,
worried
about
losing
business
from
the
people
who
are
going
to
see
a
minor
inconvenience
because
it
takes
that
would
have
to
take
them
out
of
their
way
to
plan
their
stop
at
the
coffee.
Shop.
I'll
also
know
again
right
in
the
public
here
and
I.
D
Don't
want
to
have
this
debate,
but
councilmember
Goodman
kind
of
started.
It
hiawatha
is
a
notoriously
terrible
Street
to
cross
42nd
has
a
lot
of
traffic.
That's
a
major
feeder
to
it.
So
in
the
morning
this
is
going
to
already
be
clogged
and
already
be
snarled.
And
if
you
look
at
this
picture-
and
you
imagine,
there's
some
people
wanted
coming
over
here
to
get
to
Saint
small
or
whatever
it's
already
backed
up
here
with
people
waiting
to
cross,
the
left-turning
is
going
to
be
an
issue.
D
I
can
really
relate
to
our
traffic
staff,
who
identified
it
as
an
issue:
I,
don't
even
if
you
had
it
I
think
would
be
so
terrible
for
people.
It
wouldn't
even
bring
you
much
business
because
they
realize
I
can't
go
through
there.
I'm
gonna
go
get
my
coffee
at
the
next
drive-thru
or
I'm
gonna,
get
it
somewhere
else.
But
anyway,
that's
just
my
little
love
speech,
I'd
love
to
finish
the
public
hearing
before
we
do
so
much
a
debate,
but
I
know
where
I.
I
I
think
the
95th
percentile
queue
analysis
that
we've
done
I
mean
I,
don't
think
that
does
take
into
account
that
peaking
characteristic
that
you're
talking
about
the
analysis
itself
was
done
during
the
a.m.
for
the
a.m.
peak
with
the
a.m.
peak
demand
and
that's
looking
at
basically
a
two-car
queue
that
will
happen.
You
know
5%
of
the
time
or
less.
I
D
So
right,
no
I
during
rush
hour
I
would
absolutely
plan
on
making
a
right
turn
into
your
carwash.
I,
wouldn't
think
I'd
be
able
to
get
easy
access
because
I
know
how
it
backs
up
on
42nd,
because
I
live
near
there,
so
I
mean
maybe
you're
right,
maybe
you're
not
I,
don't
think
you've
counted
the
left
Turner's
at
morning
rush
hour.
G
You
and
the
reason
I've
gotten
accused,
because
this
might
be
questions
that
could
add
to
the
response
from
our
attorney.
You
know
in
so
far
is
that
we
have,
you
know,
actions
that
are
that
are
that
are
being
imposed
upon
through
the
review
process
that
might
be
legally
concerning.
Clearly,
you
know
sort
of
mandating
a
principle
when
it's
not
necessarily
tied
to
the
land
use
rights
that
they
already
enjoy
would
be
somewhat
capricious.
However,
were
the
check
on
that?
G
You
know
our
our
volunteered
body
could
do
that
they
could
be
concerning
we
come
and
we
can
sort
of
be
a
check
on
that
authority,
and
we
can
take
that
into
account
and
make
appropriate
decisions.
It
both
policy
and
legally
so
I'm,
not
too
worried
about
that.
But
in
terms
of
legal
complications
arising
from
the
consistent
application
of
state
transportation
policy,
went
it
be
the
converse
that
if
we
started
to
be
capricious
and
say
well,
sometimes
it's
okay,
sometimes
it's
not
that
that
could
be
concerning
down
the
road.
G
G
J
If
it
was
a
conditional
use,
we
could
be
looking
at
some
of
those
specific
aspects
of
coffee
shop
uses
that
might
be
problematic,
but
it's
not
it's
permitted
and
and
and
as
has
been
noted,
that
drive-through
aspect
of
it
also
was
in
you
know,
essentially
in
under
the
gun.
The
application
was
complete
before
the
the
prohibition
went
into
effect.
So
we
have
the
existing
regulations
in
the
existing
policy,
and
that's
that
is.
That
is
what
is
guiding
your
decision.
J
K
You
mr.
chair
I
mean
I
think
this
is
consistent
with
what
the
City
Attorney
just
said,
but
I
did
want
to
just
remind
us
all,
and
especially
for
the
record
that
stuff
did
recommend
approval
of
the
buildings
under
the
existing
land
use
mob,
but
our
staff
also
recommended
or
included
that
they're
not
be
allowed
to
have
a
left
turn
on
this
site,
which
I
mean
I
am
NOT
a
traffic
engineer.
K
Nor
is
anyone
up
here,
but
looking
at
this
aerial
photo
I
I
can
understand
why
it
would
be
reasonable
not
to
want
to
have
cars
queuing
across
this
intersection
where
two
cars
are
then
turning
right
into
the
queued
cars.
While
those
are
trying
to
pass
across
an
intersection
again
where
people
will
be
walking,
I
mean
we
can
debate
traffic
engineering,
but
a
reasonable
person
could
look
at
this
aerial
photo
with
cars
going
every
which
way
and
understand
why?
K
I
I
just
wanted
to
say
again
for
the
record
that
that
is
a
part
of
every
single
site
plan
review
and
in
the
purview
of
the
city
of
Minneapolis
to
understand
that
how
new
uses
are
impacting
traffic
patterns
and
safety
and
all
of
our
policies
say
that
we
prioritize
the
most
vulnerable
users,
pedestrians
and
bicyclists
transit
riders
is
a
transit,
rich
area
and
so
I
think.
The
conversation
we're
having
is
consistent
with
those
values
and
policies.
E
Thank
you,
I
agree
with
councilmember
bender,
the
problem
that
we're
gonna
have
and
that
we're
gonna
sounds
like
be
defending.
Is
we
didn't
do
any
of
that
when
they
had
housing
above
it
so
when
they
had
housing
above
it
and
they
had
a
coffee
shop
with
the
drive-through
and
closed
we
didn't
say
they
couldn't
take
a
left
turn
and
now
we're
saying
they
can.
That's
I,
think
a
concern
and
maybe
I
misunderstood.
E
E
So
I
mean
I
just
want
us
to
all
think
about
how
courts
going
to
view
that
that
when
we
did
what
we
wanted,
that
we
didn't
bring
this
thing
up
and
now
all
of
a
sudden,
we
brought
it
up
when
they're
not
doing
what
we
want.
I,
don't
know
I'm
just
pointing
out
where
we
have
weaknesses.
Should
we
determine
that
we're
not
going
to
agree
to
this
and
everyone
can
make
their
determination.
I
am
a
subscribing
judgment.
E
A
Right
not
seeing
any
other
questions.
Thank
you
very
much.
I'm
going
to
now
open
the
hearing
to
the
members
of
the
public,
so
anyone
one
that
would
like
to
address
the
committee.
Please
limit
your
comments
to
two
minutes:
improve
per
person
which
will
be
tracked
by
the
timer
near
the
clerk.
Would
any
members
of
the
public
like
to
speak.
A
F
Just
didn't
want
to
clarify
one
thing
about
the
previous
project
that
was
approved
by
the
planning
commission
that
it
had
been
the
preliminary
development
review
to
the
meeting,
and
there
was
a
preliminary
report
that
there
were
no
approvals
that
had
been
issued
by
Public
Works
at
that
point
in
time.
So
the
final
approval
from
Public
Works
traffic
had
not
been
received
before
when
the
approval
was
made
for
the
other
version
of
this
project,
so
that
was
something
that
was
still
very
much
up
for
conversation
with
Public
Works
at
that
time.
Thank.
A
K
D
F
B
So
and
then
you
know
I
think
that
there
was
a
point
where
there
was
a
discussion
about
you
working
out
some
other
solution.
I
think
we
are,
you
know
we
are
subject
to
this
current
60,
120
or
however
long
it's
extended,
because
the
applicant
could
not
redesign
the
project
can
come
back
with
the
drive
through
because
of
the
new
drive-thru
ordinance.
D
Question
it
might
be
fruitful
for
us
to
delay
this
a
little
bit.
It
sounds
like
we
could
delay
it.
One
cycle
so
I'll
just
put
that
out
there
terms
of
that,
and
there
might
give
some
opportunity
for
some
more
work
in
negotiation,
perhaps
even
with
the
council
members
office.
There's
been
obviously
involved
in
this
for
some
time.
It's.
K
D
E
Well,
I
was
one
of
the
people
that
suggested
to
delay
initially
and
I'm.
Ok
with
that,
if
we're
trying
to
figure
out
a
way
to
make
this
work,
if
this
is
just
a
delay
in
order
to
dig
in
and
say,
okay,
now
we're
not
going
to
do
anything,
then
we
might
as
well
go
ahead
and
vote
on
it
and
let
them
proceed
to
court.
So
I
just
want
to
be
clear
that
that
I
don't
want
to
delay
this
just
to
delay
it
to
run
the
clock
out.
E
I
have
to
find
some
sort
of
solution
that
is
acceptable
to
us,
where
everyone's
going
to
come
to
the
table
and
sit
down
and
figure
out
what
a
compromise
might
be.
That
might
be
not
everything
the
developer
wants
or
everything
the
city
wants,
but
that's
better
than
having
a
court
tell
us
how
it's
going
to
go
down.
That's.
D
My
sense
of
it,
too,
I
think
we're
talking
about
a
site
plan
approval
here
and
so
that
this
is
a
lot
of
these
permitted
stuff.
So
I
think
that
the
ideas
will
find
a
win-win
situation
where
our
professional
traffic
staff
will
have
some
of
their
concerns,
met
and
addressed
and
we'll
come
up
with
a
better
plan
and
then
the
project
will
go
forward.
I
think
that's
the
hope
of
the
delay
that
I
was
talk
about.
A
A
L
Name
is
Miguel
Reyes
and
I
am
a
senior
city
planner
in
the
Coe
development
team
and
I
am
here
to
discuss
the
intentional
community
cluster
development
ordinance.
So
this
ordinance
was
originally
introduced
to
the
City
Council
on
last
year
on
December
7th
and
the
intent
of
this
amendment
is
to
allow
a
configuration
of
small
dwelling
or
roomin
units
and
a
common
house
on
the
lot.
This
amendment
will
also
provide
an
innovative
and
affordable
housing
option
for
residents
who
are
either
housing
stable
or
unstable.
L
There
are
multiple
policies
that
support
this
amendment
in
the
minneapolis
plan
for
sustainable
growth,
as
well
as
a
specific
action
step
supporting
the
implementation
of
the
intentional
community
cluster
developments
in
Minneapolis
2040
over
the
past
several
months.
The
code,
development
team
and
I
have
done
five
in-depth
case
studies
on
these
types
of
developments
across
the
country,
as
well
as
working
with
a
an
organization
here
in
Minneapolis
that
plans
to
build
the
intentional
community
cluster
developments
across
the
county,
many
of
which
are
here.
L
This
organization
is
called
envision
community.
It
is
made
up
of
various
organizations
such
as
the
street
forces
of
change,
alchemy,
architects,
Hennepin
health
cares
upstream
health
innovations
and
the
list
goes
on
so
here
on
the
screen.
You
can
see
the
third
plan
to
have
a
housing
pods
and
has
replicated
across
the
county.
Each
housing
pod
has
two
units
with
the
shared
entrance
and
shared
toilet,
and
then
the
common
house
that
has
shared
facilities
such
as
kitchens
bathrooms,
etc.
L
So
that
is
one
possibility
of
what
this
amendment
on
one
of
the
possible
outcomes
that
could
happen.
These
are
other
possible
scenarios
that,
based
off
of
case
studies
that
we
have
done
so
there
could
also
be
dwelling
units
on
a
lot
such
as
the
ones
here.
Oh
the
dwelling
units.
Again
they
include
kitchen
and
bath.
L
There
could
also
be
houses
plus
the
common
house,
which
again
is
individual
units
for
for
attendance
and
also
a
rooming
houses
with
shared
facilities.
So
moving
on
I'm
going
to
get
into
the
some
of
the
development
standards,
these
types
of
communities
should
be
operated
by
a
either
nonprofit
organization,
a
government
agency
or
a
health
care
agency.
L
They
would
be
allowed
anywhere
their
intentional
communities
and
cluster
developments
are
allowed.
So
basically
that
means
that
they
could
be
allowed
anywhere
in
the
city
except
for
in
their
industrial
zones
with
Minneapolis
2040
there
there
are
districts,
but
there
would
be
more
appropriate
and
that
is
interior,
one
two
and
three
and
corridor.
Three
and
four
anything
above
is
required
to
have
4
plus
stories
and
given
the
nature
of
these
types
of
tiny
homes,
they
they
probably
just
wouldn't
meet
that
requirement.
L
So
the
the
minimum
number
of
units
per
lot
would
be
2
and
again,
either
dwelling
units
or
a
ruminant
units
would
be
allowed
again.
If
there
are
rooming
units,
they
must
include
a
common
house
that
has
all
the
other
shared
facilities
in
the
lower
density
zoning
districts.
So
that's
r1
through
RGB
on
650
square
feet
must
be
allotted
per
bed.
That
means
that
on
a
10,000
square
foot
lot,
which
is
the
minimum
lot
size
that
would
be
required.
This
means
that
there
could
be
15
beds
in
the
higher
density
districts.
L
Again.
The
lot
size
is
the
minimum,
for
these
developments
would
be
ten
thousand
square
feet
and
then
their
step
backs
and
lot
widths
would
be
the
minimum,
as
required
by
district
as
they
are
now
and
I'm
pervious.
The
maximum,
impervious
and
lock
coverage
would
also
be
as
required
by
district,
as
well
as
the
floor
area
ratio.
There
would
be
no
off
street
parking
requirements.
L
One
bicycle
parking
style
would
be
required
per
four
beds,
and
ninety
percent
of
that
would
have
to
be
long-term
bicycle
parking
within
enclosed
or
secured
areas.
There
should
also
be
a
sufficient
storage
provided
for
each
resident.
So
on
cases
like
this,
in
lift
in
Springs
Washington
would
not
happen.
L
There
should
be
safe
passages
from
each
dwelling
or
rooming
units
to
the
common
building
and
throughout
the
site,
consistent
with
other
types
of
cluster
developments.
Forty
percent
of
the
land
on
these
developments
would
be
for
a
common
space.
This
does
not
include
the
common
house,
but
includes
landscape
yards
recreational
areas,
wetlands,
water
bodies
and
parking
facilities.
L
They
should
be
a
minimum
of
18
feet
wide
and
500
square
feet
which
again
they
should
include
kitchen,
toilets
showers
and
gathering
spaces
for
residents,
and
there
should
be
located
no
more
than
200
feet
from
the
doors
of
every
single
unit
within
the
development,
and
they
should
be
nearest.
The
lot
line
to
the
property
for
the
dwellings
or
the
rooming
units,
the
window
and
height
requirements
again,
would
be
the
same.
L
L
L
However,
diamond
theories
were
originally
proposed,
but
they
would
not
be
allowed
by
code
for
a
habitable
structure.
The
composting
toilets
is
another
issue
that
the
Minnesota
plumbing
code
does
not
allow.
Composting
toilets
for
buildings
used
for
a
human
habitation
unless
approved
by
the
building
official
plumbing
was
another
obstacle
of
another
potential
obstacle.
L
We
spoke
with
Dana
half
of
the
previous
Minneapolis
environmental
health
director,
and
one
of
his
concerns
was
that
not
providing
plumbing
to
the
room
units
could
be
a
huge
health
concern
for
residents
within
these
developments
and
then,
lastly,
the
housing
maintenance
code
does
not
allow
kitchen
or
bathroom
facilities
to
be
accessed
when
leaving
a
dwelling
rooming
unit.
So
that
was
it.
Do
you
have
any
questions.
H
D
A
L
D
L
D
So
I
want
to
rave
about
this
fantastic
staff
report
and
all
the
incredible
work
that's
gone
into
this.
Both
your
work
and
the
team's
work,
but
also
from
the
community.
Bringing
this
idea
forward.
I
have
to
say
that
I'm
very
excited
about
the
potential
for
this
I'm
a
little
nervous
about
it,
but
I
think
we
did
a
really
good
job
of
crafting
an
ordinance
that
has
some
safeguards
in
place.
I
really
think
it's
critical
that
we're
looking
at
who
the
operators
are
that
are
doing
it.
D
I
also
think
that
puts
a
big
responsibility
on
our
first
projects
to
make
them
really
shine
and
be
really
good
and
really
work.
Well,
if
these
kinds
of
things
could
fit
into
the
communities
throughout
the
city,
that
would
be
fantastic,
I
know
some
of
the
concerns
that
we've
had
is.
If
we
look
at
how
other
cities
have
done
that
some
times
and
it
seems
to
be
tucked
in
industrial
fences.
F
D
It
and
that's
not
the
concept
that
we're
trying
to
work
with
here.
This
is
something
I
think
that
we
want
to
be
celebrated
and
integrated
into
our
communities
and
I
know
it's
going
to
be
a
big
challenge,
getting
all
the
funding
and
getting
the
projects
done
and
finding
the
right
site
to
do
it
in,
but
I
think
there'll
be
a
lot
of
champions
for
that
and
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
take
a
moment
to
just
hear
from
some
of
our
community.
K
You
mr.
chair
I
think
I
was
curious
about
this
question
about
the
toilet
facilities.
I
know
that
that
was
one
of
the
things
that
we
saw
in
the
navigation.
Center
was
the
challenge
of
having
folks
needing
to
leave
where
they
were
sleeping
to
use
a
restroom,
and
this
wondered
if
we
could
talk
more
about
why
you
landed
on
this
Highway,
how
it's
being
presented.
L
So
we
again,
we
spoke
with
John
Callahan
and
he
wanted
to
put
it
out
there
that
again,
unless,
unless
approved
by
the
building
official
with
the
composting
toilets,
would
not
be
allowed
in
a
habitable
structure.
But
in
the
past
they
have
not
been
approved
but
hit.
One
of
his
suggestions
was
possibly
trying
like
a
prototype,
just
to
see
how
it
would
work
out
or
not
having
all
of
the
units
in
there
first
model
the
composting
toilets,
but
again
just
testing
it
to
see
what
would
happen.
E
Thank
You
mr.
chair,
it
has
to
be
really
low
barrier
to
entry
because
we
know
in
order
to
build
something,
and
so
plumbing
is
really
expensive.
I
would
love
to
see
us
pursue
this
composting
toilet
thing
as
a
pilot
to
see
if
that
I
mean
it
works
in
cabins
all
over
the
state
of
Minnesota
and
environmental
areas
where
people
are
super
sensitive,
so
I
think
that
might
be
something
to
do.
I
just
think
wanted.
I
just
raise
this
to
just
congratulate
you
on
the
work.
You've
done.
E
It's
just
really
fantastic
I've
been
working
with
Hennepin
prior
to
John
prior
to
furniture
for
a
long
time
on
this,
and
we've
looked
at
these
and
Madison
and
in
Olympia
Washington,
and
it
definitely
seems
like
it's
something
we
should
do
in
the
city,
just
the
level
of
work
that
our
staff
have
done
to
get
this
to
reality.
It's
really
impressive!
So
congratulations
to
you
and
to
the
team
and
cam
councilmember
Gordon's
office
for
getting
us
this
far.
A
Well,
I
also
just
want
to
thank
you
for
all
your
work.
This
isn't
to
make
it
look
this
clear
and
this
well-defined
took
a
lot
of
work
to
get
there.
I
also
just
want
to
thank
Street
places
for
change,
and
everybody
I
think
it's
just.
It's
been
phenomenal
working
on
this
project
to
just
have
kind
of
your
voices
front
and
center,
and
have
this
really
reflect
you
know
what
UCS
community
council
president
bender
Thank.
K
You
mr.
chair
does
one
last
comment:
I'm
pulling
that
question.
I
did
I
really
just
want
to
highlight
that
how
supportive
I
am
and
how
thankful
I
am
that
we
are
recommending
incorporating
these
into
the
residential
districts
of
our
city
and
that's
where
they
belong
and
I
know.
It
took
probably
extra
work
to
think
about
how
the
design
of
a
cluster
development
would
fit
into
different
configurations
of
city
Lots.