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From YouTube: October 21, 2019 City Planning Commission
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Minneapolis City Planning Commission Meeting
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A
All
right,
the
time
is
4:30
one
will
call
together
the
October
21st
to
2019
City
Planning
Commission
hearing
my
name
is
Sam
Rockwell
a
service
president
of
the
City
Planning
Commission
I'm
joined
by
commissioners,
Brown,
kögel,
comon
sweetie
would
appear
trader
Wilson
and
a
concert.
Our
first
order
of
business
is
to
adopt
the
minutes
and
actions
of
the
October
7th
2019.
The
Planning
Commission
hearing
and
do
I
have
a
motion,
a
motion
and
a
second
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye
opposed
that
motion
carries
next
order
of
business.
A
We
do
not
have
any
way
of
the
whole
business
today.
Next
order
of
business
is
to
adopt
the
agenda
for
tonight's
hearing.
We
will
walk
through
the
agenda
for
the
folks
here
today.
If
you
wish
to
testify
against
a
staff
recommendation
or
to
modify
staff
recommendation,
please
speak
up,
raise
your
hand.
Otherwise
we
will
potentially
place
that
item
on
consent.
So
the
first
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
Starbucks
and
office
development
at
41:59,
Hiawatha
Avenue
in
Ward
12.
We
will
discuss
item
number.
A
A
Somewhere
satori
817
819,
a
21
and
825
West
Broadway
Avenue
and
1828
1830
1832
1836
and
1838
Bryant
Avenue
North
in
Ward
5.
So
anyone
here
to
speak
in
opposition
to
this
item,
seeing
no
one
will
place
item
3
consent
ate
number
four:
is
the
Herbert
at
1200
Central
Avenue
Northeast
in
Ward
one
would
return
all
the
applications
for
item
number.
Four
number:
five
is
twenty
three:
twenty
five
East
38th
Street
38:12
24th
Avenue
South
in
Ward
12.
We
will
continue
this
item
to
November
4th
City
Planning
Commission.
Hearing
item
number.
A
Six
is
glorious
place,
one
one
one:
one
22nd
Street
West
in
Ward,
7
conditional
use
permit
there.
Anyone
here
to
speak
on
item
number
six,
seeing
no
one
will
place
item
number
six
on
consent.
Item
number:
seven
is
bakery
production
facility,
701,
West
Broadway
in
Ward
5.
Anyone
here
to
speak
on
this
item
see
none.
We
will
place
item
number
seven
on
consent.
Item
number
eight
is
Calhoun
Parkway
residences
at
38,
14
West;
they
Mikasa,
Parkway
or
13
non-conforming
use
expansion.
Anyone
here
to
speak
on
item
number,
eight.
A
She
no
one
will
place
item
number.
Eight.
On
consent.
Item
number
nine
is
Metro
Transit
Hayward
bus
garage,
606,
8
and
612
8th
Avenue
North
550
10th
Avenue
North
1010,
ten
Lyndale
Avenue
North
802,
a
12
North,
7th
Street
and
804
seventh
Street
seven
and
a
half
Avenue
North
Ward.
Five,
that's
a
lot
of
streets
for
one
garage.
Is
anyone
here
to
speak
on?
All
of
those
addresses?
No
seeing
none
we'll
place
that
on
consent,
item
number
10
friendship,
Academy,
33,
20,
41st,
Street
East
in
Ward
12
conditional
use
permit
their
variances.
A
A
Is
anyone
here
to
speak
on
item
number
11,
seeing
no
one
will
place
item
number
11
and
cent
item
number
12
is
North
Central
University
academic,
Commons,
1401,
14,
13,
14
and
25
Chicago
Avenue
in
Ward
6.
We
will
continue
this
item
to
the
November
4th
City
Planning,
Commission,
hearing
and
number
13
is
623
Taylor
Street
northeast
in
Ward,
3
variances
and
a
minor
subdivision.
There's
anyone
here
to
speak
on
item
number
13.
A
Seeing
no
one
will
place
item
number
13
on
consent,
item
number
14,
Jackson,
los
750,
750,
6,
Jackson
Street,
northeast
in
Ward
3
will
continue
item
number
14
to
the
November
4th
City
Planning
Commission.
Hearing
item
number
15
is
a
zoning
code
text
amendment
and
it
is
amending
the
provisions
to
create
intentional
communities
of
cluster
developments
to
provide
affordable
housing
options
for
residents
for
either
housing,
stable
or
unstable,
will
allow
an
amendment,
a
configuration
of
small
dwellings
or
rooming
units
in
a
common
house
on
a
lot
and
a
common
house
on
a
lot.
A
Commissioners,
we
have
the
following
agenda.
We
will
discuss
item
number
1
on
consent
will
be
item
numbers
three,
six,
seven,
eight
nine
10
11
13
15.
We
will
continue
indefinitely
out
of
number
to
continue
until
November
4th
items
number
5
from
14
and
return
item
number
4
could
I
have
a
motion
to
yes,
Commissioner
Prosser,
so
some
of
a
motion
to
approve
the
agenda
as
amended.
We
have
a
motion
motion
and
a
second
and
we
have
discussion
and
we
have
comment
and.
A
A
Do
we
need
to
do
a
separate
motion
to
return
yeah
all
right
so
we'll
do
a
separate
motion
to
continue
item
number
two
and
definitely
a
motion
in
a
second
all
in
favor.
That
motion
carries
motion
to
continue
until
November
4th
I
was
number
5.
12
and
14
do
I,
have
a
motion
motion
and
a
second
all
in
favor
that
motion
carries
and
a
motion
to
return
item
number
for
those
applications.
Do
we
have
a
motion?
A
A
All
in
favor
aye
that
motion
carries
all
right
with
that.
We
are
moving
on
to
our
public
hearing
I'd
like
to
recognize
both
the
folks
that
came
here
for
the
zoning
code
text,
amendment
I
think
a
number
of
them
walked
out
and
the
LEGO
League
team.
That
is
here
to
listen
to
this
Planning
Commission
hearing
item
number
one
is
Lindsay
on
Silas
the
floor
is
yours,
good.
C
Evening,
commissioners,
the
project
before
you
is
an
application
at
41:59
Hiawatha.
You
saw
this
last
year
when
it
came
through
with
a
very
similar
site
plan,
but
it
was
proposed
to
have
three
storeys
of
residential
units.
Above
so
the
applicant
has
come
back
with
a
new
application
to
establish
two
single
storey
buildings
on
the
lot
in
a
very
similar
configuration
to
what
was
approved
last
year.
This
site
is
located
at
the
northeast
corner
of
the
intersection
of
Hiawatha
and
42nd.
C
The
proposal
has
a
Starbucks
drive-through
at
the
interior
of
the
site,
with
a
liner
building
that
is
kind
of
up
to
the
street
level,
so
a
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
the
application
and
there
is
limited
alternative
complaints
requested.
This
is
a
project
that
that
was
deemed
complete
before
the
City
Council
passed,
the
ban
and
all
new
drive-throughs,
and
so
it
was
allowed
to
continue
through
his
staff
direction
and
the
application
here.
C
The
state
plan
is
very
similar
to
what
was
proposed
last
year,
so
staff
is
recommending
approval
initially
this
project,
because
it
came
through
last
year
for
approvals
about
over
a
year
ago.
At
this
point
they
had
submitted
for
PDR
even
prior
to
that,
and
so
this
PDF,
the
same
PDR
or
preliminary
development
review.
C
Application
has
been
open
for
over
a
year,
and
so,
as
this
project
has
come
through
for
a
new
Planning
Commission
application
staff
has
had
subsequent
conversations
with
Public
Works
about
some
of
the
possible
concerns
at
the
site,
especially
with
regards
to
the
drive-thru
component.
Here's
a
rendering
of
the
proposed
building-
and
this
is
from
the
parking
lot
side.
C
Those
include
that
the
signage
curb
cut
and
driveway
access
should
be
designed
to
prevent
left
turns
into
and
out
of
the
site
and
that
the
applicant
shall
work
with
Public
Works
to
modify
the
street
design
of
East
42nd
to
prohibit
left
turns
into
the
site.
Those
are
the
two
conditions
that
the
applicant
wish
to
discuss
today.
C
So
I've
just
shown
an
aerial
view
here.
East
42nd
Street
in
this
location
is
only
one
lane
heading
east
and
it's
it's
not
far
from
the
intersection
with
Hiawatha.
So
the
concern
here
is
that
there's
no
left
turn
lane.
That
would
access
the
proposed
curb
cut
on
the
site,
and
the
concern
is
that
traffic
would
be
waiting
to
turn
left
and
also
traffic
wishing
to
go
straight
would
get
backed
up
behind
any
left
turning
traffic
and
would
potentially
impede
the
intersection
at
40
seconds.
C
C
The
public
right
of
way
to
allow
left
turns
into
a
nub
of
the
site
and
I
have
Alan
from
Public
Works
traffic,
just
going
to
give
a
brief,
brief
presentation
after
mine
here
to
kind
of
discuss
how
those
conversations
have
gone,
but
basically,
even
this
new
proposal
that
was
just
submitted
today.
Staff
has
serious
concerns
about
some
of
the
elements
which
include
removing
pedestrian
right-of-way
and
a
Boulevard
area
on
the
south
side
of
the
street
and
reconfiguring
the
street
to
be
wider
and
also
reconfiguring
the
north
side
of
the
street.
C
So
until
today,
staff
could
not
continue
the
application
any
further
due
to
120
day
decision
period
considerations,
although
they
have
now
extended
the
decision
period.
So
if
the
Planning
Commission
did
wish
to
continue,
that
is
now
a
possibility.
So
staff
is
recommending
approval.
That
is
of
this
proposal,
with
the
two
can
do
with
the
ten
stated
conditions,
two
of
which
have
to
with
not
allowing
left
turns
into
and
out
of
the
fact
I
will
stand
for
questions.
Commissioners.
B
C
B
A
D
C
A
E
Afternoon,
chair
and
members
of
Commission
and
I'd
like
to
use
the
overhead
projector
have
a
couple
graphics.
Yes,
just
a
few
comments
to
expand
than
what
Lindsay's
already
said
today
and
again,
I'll
get
used
to
this
I'll
reintroduce
myself.
My
name
is
Alan
Klugman
I'm,
a
traffic
engineer
with
the
traffic
and
parking
services,
division
and
Public
Works
and
just
add
a
little
bit
to
what
Lindsay
already
spoke
with
today.
You
know
one
of
the
key
initiatives
that
we
have
going
on
with
the
city
right
now
is
our
safety
initiatives
known
as
vision,
zero
and
I'll.
E
Just
tell
you
that
in
the
last
year
or
so,
and
moving
on
into
the
future,
I've
never
had
as
much
influence
in
my
career.
It's
a
very
long
career
with
notions
are
on
safety
for
pedestrians,
bicyclists
cars
for
all
modes
and
everything
we
do
was
really
informed
by
safety
winds,
even
much
more
so
than
it
has
historically
been,
and
one
of
the
key
things
we
look
at
her,
the
multi-lane
roadways.
Were
you
a
lot
of
lot
of
problems
frankly,
and
that's
where
a
lot
of
our
focus
has
been
and
when
we
saw
this
application?
E
Come
through
here
recently,
we
really
looked
at
it
very,
very
strictly
through
safety,
lens
and
I
want
to
reference
two
words
that
we
use
a
lot.
One
word
is
reactive.
When
we
talk
about
safety,
one
word
is
proactive
and
kind
of,
as
a
name
implies.
A
reactive
situation
is
where
we
have
a
problem
out
in
the
transportation
network
and
we
try
to
mitigate
it
or
fix
it.
The
other
word
is
proactive.
In
that
case,
we
try
to
build
in
the
most
safe,
proper
design
from
the
get-go
before
a
problem
develops.
E
E
We
have
a
major
Road
42nd
Street,
with
the
proposed
access
to
the
site,
very
close
to
the
intersection
of
42nd
Hiawatha,
very
short,
queuing
distance,
very
high
queues,
delays
from
the
signal
heading
back
to
the
east,
especially
with
the
disruption
caused
by
the
allergy,
and
we
really
saw
that
there
was
no
good
way
to
fit
in
left
turn.
So
I
want
to
be
very
clear
about
this,
although
I'm
sure
the
epic
on
will
speak
and
we'll
talk
about
the
sketch
that
proposes
a
way
to
chief
left
turns
our
perspective
from
Public.
E
No
left
turns
in
and
out
and
then
the
second
condition
we
sort
of
layered
on
top
of
that,
and
that
was
to
say
that
if
the
driveway
that
could
be
designed,
if
we
felt
if
Public
Works
felt
that
that
driveway
did
not
positively
prohibit
left
turns
in
and
out,
then
we
wanted
to
go
to
that.
Second
condition
was
work
with
us
in
Public,
Works
and
right
away
to
put
a
you.
B
E
A
median
or
what
have
you
different
channelization
that
positively
prohibits
the
left,
turns
I'll,
just
give
you
one
quick
reference:
Lindsay
referred
to
it,
but
the
Aldi
site
on
26
on
window,
which
has
been
open
about
two
months
that
first
condition
alone
don't
allow
left's
in
and
out.
We
had
that
condition
in
there
and
I'll
kind
of
say,
shame
on
us
and
Public
Works.
We
approved
the
driveway.
You
know
hoping
that
it
would
prohibit
customers
coming
in
and
out.
We
didn't
have
that
second
condition.
E
I'm
not
meant
to
be
a
final
answer
when
it
comes
of
it.
Just
for
illustration,
as
we're
looking
on
lyndale,
you
know
again,
we
don't
have
that
catch-all
that
says
work
with
us
upfront
to
design
it.
So
we're
now
left
as
Public
Works,
to
go
out
and
solve
a
problem,
and
this
is
a
case
different
location,
but
we
a
little
problem.
We
put
a
bollard
just
something
we
can
do
quick.
E
You
know
it's
a
type
of
thing
that
says
what
can
we
do
to
prohibit
left
turns,
and
it
just
be
very
careful
to
say
that
again,
just
kind
of
close
by
saying
here
that
I
think
the
right
way
to
achieve
safety
at
a
project
like
this
design
Danny
from
the
get-go.
It's
not
about
tweaking
it
or
fixing
it
later
on.
If
the
project
were
to
go
forward
with
left
terms,
allowed
I
guarantee
you,
this
will
be
on
the
top
of
our
radar
screen.
E
We're
gonna
keep
a
pretty
tight
eye
on
it
and
if
something
were
to
develop
with
the
situation,
we
would
then
go
out
after
the
fact
like
we're
going
to
do
it
all
these
and
do
something
positively.
In
the
right,
away.the
prohibits,
those
left
turns
again.
I'd
rather
be
upfront
with
it
at
the
beginning,
I'd
rather
work
with
the
applicant
to
come
up
with
a
situation
to
prohibit
those
movements
right
from
the
get-go.
Thank
you.
E
Maybe,
if
I
can
add
one
more
question
here,
I
know
there
were
some
sketches
sent
to
us
in
the
past
couple
weeks
to
try
to
address
this
left
room
again.
It's
on
repeat
our
invitation
was
not
to
give
us
sketches
that
show
how
left
turn
could
be
made
it's
to
work
with
us.
E
If
you
need
to
to
show
us
how
you're
gonna
prohibit
those
left
turns
and
the
sketches
we
receive,
you
know
they
were
sketch
level
very
hard
to
react
to
those
several
impacts
due
to
trying
to
achieve
those
put
down
just
say
with
them.
The
high
volume
on
42nd,
the
backups
from
the
signal,
any
design
that
provides
a
left
turns
gonna
widen
the
street,
not
something
we're
looking
to
do
today.
It's
gonna
force
drivers
coming
through
the
intersection
to
have
to
immediately
make
left
called
me.
One
called
trampoline
I,
can't
think
of
another
city
location.
E
The
city
where
you
have
the
leftmost
lane
immediately
coming
through
a
major
intersection,
becomes
a
trap
to
left,
turns
so
I'm
sure
the
applicants
can
pick
up.
I
just
wanted
to
tell
you
there's
reasons
like
that.
Why
we
looked
at
this
very
carefully
within
your
traffic
check,
when
you
saw
no
good
solution
to
provide
those
turns
and
that's
why
we're
very
firm
and
positively
prohibited.
Thank
you.
Thank.
D
E
So
chair
members
of
the
Commission
regarding
that
question,
a
couple
things
maybe
no
particular
priority,
but
priority
or
but
just
some
things.
We
thought
about.
One
thing
that
comes
to
mind.
Is
it's
really
difficult?
When
we
get
into
a
numerical
battle,
you
know
my
view
their
view,
etc,
etc.
What
I
do
know
from
coffee
shops,
they're
notorious
for
having
very
high
peaking
characteristics.
The
peak
of
the
coffee
shop
coincides
with
the
peak
of
the
roadway
Network
and
that's
when
forty
seconds
very
busy,
so
in
in
operation
of
forty
segment.
E
We
frequencies
frequently
see
queues
on
there
very
long.
In
fact
they
have
a
photo.
I
could
show,
but
I
brought
some
photos
with
me
just
be
ready.
One
of
them
is
just
my
standard,
City
aerial,
which
is
just
taken
in
a
random
time,
and
at
that
time
the
cars
are
extending
beyond
his
property.
So
it's
very
hard
to
predict
when
that
will
happen,
especially
with
the
impact
from
the
trains
and
so
a
couple.
E
E
There's
about
110
115
feet
of
storage
distance
for
the
left
turns
if
we
were
to
go
with
some
kind
of
design
that
a
lot
of
left
turns
I'm
very
concerned
about
the
length,
because
when
you
get
the
peak
rush
at
the
coffee
shop
and
if
you
have
a
backup
on
42nd
that
laser
doesn't
let
cars
in
that's
not
enough
space
to
store.
And
then
probably
my
last
point,
I
think.
E
My
most
important
point
to
make
is
this
is
not
a
standard
designed
by
any
means,
whereas
if
we
follow
from
west
to
east
through
this
major
intersection,
I'll
be
trapping
cars
in
that
leftmost
Lane,
where
they're
forced
to
turn
in
to
the
coffee
shop,
and
then
the
cars
going
through
have
to
kind
of
wiggle
around
them
and
the
cars
going
north,
bun
and
Hiawatha
and
then
making
them
the
right
through
that
island
area.
They
don't
really
have
a
landing
area.
E
So
it's
a
very
I
would
say
you
know
creative
approach
and
the
applicants
part
to
try
to
solve
it.
I
respect
that,
but
it
doesn't
get
us
over
the
hurdle
of
saying
this
is
an
inherently
unsafe
design
at
a
major
signalized
intersection
with
high
volumes.
So
hopefully
I
was
specific
enough.
Commissioner,
okay,
thank
you.
Looked.
F
I
had
a
great
question
if
you
could
just
address
between
the
difference
between
what
we
view
before
versus
this
which
which
we
are
seeing
today.
What
is
the
distance
from
curb
to
curb
and
how
much
did
that
change
from
previous
iterations
and
then
maybe
discuss
what
you
think
the
pedestrian
impact
might
be
sure.
F
B
E
G
E
No,
no,
it
does
so
Hiawatha
signals
are
like
their
home
all
that
atactic,
but
make
a
long
story
short.
The
signals
run
in
what
we
call
a
free
mode
when
the
train
goes
by
it
pre
so
signal
and
overtakes
a
signal,
then
the
signal
needs
to
recover
from
it
seconds
are
very
valuable
in
that
operation,
because
a
train
takes
a
lot
of
time
away
from
us.
We
will
have
to
add
additional
time
because
we
put
in
about
three
three
and
a
half
seconds
per
foot
of
walking
speed
for
pedestrians
crossing
the
road.
E
So,
as
my
row
gets
wider
I
do
put
in
more
time
for
the
pedestrian
which
takes
away
some
of
the
flexibility
with
the
Train
response.
Yeah,
yeah
and
plus
you
know.
Inherently
lager
crossings
are
more
problematic
for
pedestrians,
we're
doing
everything
we
can
in
the
city
to
reduce
those
crossing
links.
A
H
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
Nick
boo,
Salas
I'm,
the
owner/operator
and
the
developer
of
that
location,
and
to
appreciate
the
development
process
I'm
going
to
walk
you
through
some
history
on
this
project.
First
of
all,
we've
been
there
for
34
years
and
we
have
multiple
locations,
and
this
is
probably
one
of
our
more
profitable
ones.
We
started
the
development
back
in
2014,
looking
at
hundreds
of
literally
hundreds
of
concepts
talking
potential
tenants,
and
we
came
up
with
this
two
building
concept
that
you
see
here.
H
H
H
So
in
the
80s
myself
and
my
former
partner
developed
a
whole
bunch
of
for
sale,
housing
in
Minneapolis
the
project
in
the
upper
left-hand
corner
as
East
aisles
it's
on
27th
and
Humboldt,
it
wanted
a
Q
award
back
in
the
early
80s.
We
developed
boardwalk
in
Park
Place,
that
was
on
the
Minneapolis
housing
Redevelopment
Authority
annual
report.
For
a
couple
years
that
I
recall,
we
developed
the
lakes
over
by
Lake
Calhoun
and
we
developed
the
Old
West
high
school
sky.
H
So
we
have
plenty
of
experience
developing
housing
in
the
city,
so
the
input
we
got
was
basically
at
housing
because
that's
what
the
city
is
looking
for
and
we
did-
and
we
obviously
has
received
in
May
of
2018,
the
staff
recommended
a
plan
for
approval.
The
Planning
Commission
unanimously
approved
the
project
you
see
here
and
there
were
no
restrictions
on
left
turn
in
or
out
of
the
site.
Okay,.
H
So
back
in
the
spring
of
this
year,
we
submitted
our
plan
for
plan
development
review
and
in
that
process
of
from
2018
to
2019,
we
concluded
that
we
couldn't
fill
the
housing
in
the
time
period
required
in
the
two-year
window
time
we
had
for
the
conditional
use
permit.
So
we
submitted
our
plans
with
the
exact
same
plan,
which
is
in
two
phases
the
first
floor
and
then
the
three
floors
above
it
for
housing.
H
H
So
we
submitted
a
new
plan
or
application
for
first
floor,
only
it's
totally
compliant
with
zoning,
and
there
are
no
variances
and
we
are
actually
even
putting
in
the
info
infrastructure
for
utilities,
footings
foundations
beams
so
that
we
can
build
the
housing
on
top
when
we
think
the
markets
ready
for
it.
On
September
18th,
the
Planning
Department
issued
a
report
with
eight
conditions
on
it:
okay,
which
are
all
agreeable
to
us
again,
no
restrictions
on
the
left
turn
in
and
out
of
the
site.
H
On
the
next
day
at
four-twenty
seven,
we
receive
an
email
that
says
we're
adding
these
two
items:
nine
and
ten.
Okay-
and
this
was-
and
even
though,
all
the
plans
we've
submitted
before
there
was
never
an
issue
with
left
turn
in
or
out
of
the
site.
So
because
this
was
two
days
before
the
Planning
Commission
meeting
on
September
23rd.
We
asked
for
an
extension,
so
we
could
hire
a
traffic
engineer
which
you
will
hear
from
after
a
during
this
presentation
here.
The
challenges
we
faced
with
coming
up
with
a
solution.
H
H
We
obviously
asked
for
another
extension
because
well
you
know,
working
via
email
makes
it
a
little
more
time-consuming.
We
hired
another
because
they
wanted
to
see
a
an
engineering
drawing.
We
hired
another
consultant
to
draw
up
the
plan
that
you
saw
a
little
bit
ago
and
we
had
last
week
we
asked
for
an
extension
so
that
the
Public
Works
Department
would
hopefully
review
it
and
agreed
to
meet
with
us
and
and
see
if
we
could
work
out
a
solution.
But
the
planner
turned
us
down.
H
I
Well,
he's
working
on
that
mr.
chair
members
of
the
Commission,
my
name
is
Vernon
swing.
I
am
the
president
CEO
of
swing
traffic
solutions
and
that's
there
and,
as
has
been
articulated
a
a
couple
of
different
ways.
There's
there,
the
two
conditions
were
added
to
the
conditions
for
approval
were
added
to
the
to
the
item.
Are
the
items
were
added
to
the
conditions
approval
at
the
it's
sort
of
at
the
last
minute
and
at
which
points
you
know,
I've
been
in
to
look
at
what's
going
on
out
here
and
and
why
this
might
be
something?
I
That's
a
concern,
independent
from
having
any
discussions
with
Alan
I
recognize
that
there's
an
opportunity
for
vehicles
to
stack
from
the
from
the
driveway
back
toward
the
intersection
with
with
Hiawatha,
and
suggested
that
that
too,
to
the
proponent
that
we
attempt
to
come
up
with
something
that
until
you
address
that
I,
don't
know
if,
let's
see
hard
to
work
here
without
my
good
about
my
powerpoint,
but
essentially
the
idea
there
there's
some
number
of
cars
that
back
from
from
the
driveway
back
towards
that,
and
when
one
car
is
waiting.
Anybody
that's
headed.
I
Eastbound
will
also
wait
and
propagate
back
towards
Hiawatha,
so
we
looked
at
a
couple
of
different
things.
We
did
shoot
some
ideas
off
to
Alan,
with
with
for
it
to
trying
aids
get
some
feedback.
Ultimately,
we
just
we've
come
in
with
this
particular
solution
that
creates
a
left
turn
storage
area.
It
is,
it
is
perhaps
a
little
unusual.
I
All
right,
let's
see
any
year-old,
this
radio,
okay
thanks!
So
what
we
did
is
we
looked
at
this
and
we
said:
okay,
what
what
will
work?
What's
number
one,
let's
Anna,
let's
analyze
this,
for
how
how
it
actually
operates
today,
not
taking
not
having
any
use
on
the
site
just
how
Hiawatha
operates
and
how
this
leg
to
the
Hiawatha
intersection
operates,
and
indeed
there
are
large
Jews
that
go
to
the
east.
I
I
with
the
new
use
that's
being
proposed.
That
number
actually
is
going
to
go
up
in
the
morning
and
it's
gonna
be
way
less
in
the
afternoon.
So
when
you
look
at
the
two
you're
balancing
something
that's
already
there
with
two
driveways
against
a
new
project
with
one
only
driveway,
which
is
a
benefit
further
away
from
from
Hiawatha,
which
is
a
benefit
and
and
you're.
Looking
at
your
we're
looking
at
a
situation,
that's
in
an
urban
area
where
people
will
very
quickly
understand
the
pattern
necessary
to
drive
their
vehicle
as
far
as
the
crosswalk
extension.
I
I
I
So
as
we
look
at
this,
we
looked
at
the
we
looked
at
the
operations
in
the
morning.
You
know
in
a
in
a
snapshot
in
the
morning.
The
level
of
service
on
at
the
intersection
is
at
sea.
However,
some
of
the
approaches
are
fairly
with
long
queues
have
fairly
long
delays.
So
you
know
it's
kind
of
hard
to
who
gets,
who
gets
the
benefit?
Well,
Hiawatha
gets
the
benefit
they
operate
at
a
better
level
of
service
than
then
the
side
street
does.
I
At
the
same
time,
the
cueing
of
the
vehicles
was
predicted.
This
is
a
95th
percentile
queue
or
one
that
has
a
five
percent
chance
of
occurring.
The
queuing
of
the
vehicles
is
estimated
at
75
feet,
we're
providing
a
hundred
and
twelve
feet
for
people
to
make
that
left,
turn
maneuver
and
to
stack
if
necessary.
I
So
we,
you
know
we'd
like
to
have
an
opportunity
to
discuss
this
a
little
further
with
with
Public
Works
and
and
also
discuss
some
of
the
benefits
at
this
that
this
approach
does
provide,
and
this
project
does
provide
number
one.
We
reduce
that
conflict
point
at
the
West
driveway
by
just
eliminating
that
driveway.
I
We
that
also
makes
it
easier
for
pedestrians
that
are
walking
across
the
sidewalk.
They
don't
have
to
cross
two
driveways.
They
only
have
to
cross
one.
We
looked
at
how
the
traffic
flows
across
Hiawatha.
Today,
it's
a
fairly
wide
crossing,
and-
and
it's
not
today,
it's
not
straight
across
you
actually
have
to
bend
a
couple
of
you
know:
you've
been
one
direction
or
been
the
other
direction,
depending
on
which
way
you're
going
to
fit
within
the
geometry.
That's
there.
This
will
in
fact
line
the
lanes
up
better
than
it
is
today
the
project
itself.
I
If
we
were
able
to
go
forward
with
this,
there
are
a
lot
of
things
that
have
to
happen.
Water
hydrant
has
to
move
utility.
Poles
have
to
move.
The
expansion
is
essentially
on
our
side
of
the
road,
with
a
little
bit
on
the
south
side,
just
moving
the
curb
back
a
little.
There
is
room
to
do
that.
It's
and
it's
it's
existing
within
the
the
right-of-way
that
that
is
currently
owned
on
42nd.
H
Just
have
a
few
more
slides
and
then
we'll
open
up
to
questions
on
'pray
on
page
37
of
the
staff
report,
you'll
see
this
response
that
Andrew
Johnson
gave
to
of
someone
that
was
opposing
the
development
and
it
really
responds
to
what
has
happened
and
how
we've
tried
to
respond
when
we
were
asked
things
so,
as
he
states
here,
we
added
housing,
even
though
we
didn't
have
to.
Although
it
felt
like
it
was
a
mandatory
thing
in
June
of
2019,
when
we
concluded
we
could
not
do
the
housing.
H
In
the
first
two
years,
Andrew
asked
us
to
reach
out
to
some
developers.
He
gave
us
names.
We
actually
reached
out
a
total
of
eighteen
housing
developers
and
all
of
them
either
passed
or
showed
no
interest
in
building
housing
there
right
now.
Okay-
and
it's
not
that
housing
will
happen
on
that
site.
It's
just.
We
can't
do
it
in
the
first
two
years
and
be
successful
at
it,
and
then,
when
we
got
these
last
two
minute,
let's
say
criteria
added
to
the
the
approval
request,
items
nine
and
ten.
H
We
went
on
hired
two
consultants
to
try
to
work
on
a
solution.
Even
though
we
really
didn't
get
much
help
from
the
city
and
the
staff,
so
you
might
be
asking
yourself
what
guarantee
do
we
have
building
that
we're
gonna
build
housing
at
some
point
in
the
future?
Well,
first
of
all
we're
a
for-profit
developer.
H
J
I'm
wondering
if
left
turns
were
outright
physically
prohibited
into
the
site
through
median
or
some
other
way
of.
How
do
you
feel
that
traffic
would
enter
the
site
from
Hiawatha
with
with
it?
Maybe
this
is
a
question
for
your
traffic
engineer,
but
people
would
they
certainly
the
block
and
come
down
westbound
no.
H
B
H
B
H
B
Now,
building
nine
more
stories,
this
building
is
going
to
impact
the
retail
components
that
are
on
the
site.
You're,
certainly
gonna,
have
to
stage
construction.
You're
gonna
have
disruption.
You
know,
have
you
written
into
your
leases
that
you're
allowed
to
remove
parking
stalls
during
construction
to
provide?
We.
B
H
K
Bk
BM
is
our
structural
engineer
and
associate
architect
for
the
project
is
like
fine
associates
and
their
experienced
in
building
projects
that
are
phased
and
have
floors
added
to
them
at
subsequent
periods
of
time
after
the
first
phase
has
done.
Primary
example
is
Fairview
hospital
and
Maple
Grove,
which
they
built.
The
first
I
think
it
was
three
stories
and
then
three
or
four
years
later
they
built
an
additional
story
and
then
or
two
and
then
a
couple
years
later
they
add
the
last
couple
of
stories
and
this
is
a
hospital
and
it
kept
operating.
K
K
K
The
footings,
columns
and
beams
required
to
support
you
know
whatever
stories
we
project,
whether
it's
three
more
stories
or
five
more.
You
know
the
apparently
you
know
in
the
2040
plan,
there's
the
potential
possibly
of
up
to
ten
stories,
a
ten
story
building
on
that
site
along
what
the
corridor.
So
that's
just
that's
a
maximum
okay.
K
The
whatever,
whatever
you
know,
ultimately,
the
developer
decides
is
the
you
know,
optimum
or
the
most
feasible
expansion
for
the
future.
We'll
make
something
a
decision
on
to
what
level
of
structure
is
necessary
to
support.
You
know
whatever
it
is:
six
storeys,
seven
storeys,
you
know
up
to
nine
stories
of
additional
height,
so
it's
just
an
engineering.
You
know
it's
just
an
engineering
problem.
We
just
have
to
size
the
footing
size,
the
beam
size,
the
columns
appropriately,
the.
A
D
H
H
D
It
wasn't
the
same
question
so
will
the
future
housing
residents
be
accessing
the
site
through
the
same
curb
cut
that
we're
talking
about
right
now,
correct?
Okay,
then
the
question
that
I
have
perhaps
for
your
traffic
consultant
is
the
level
of
service
that
was
described
and
the
queuing
distance
that
was
described
did
that
take
into
account
future
housing
access,
winning
that
and
I
assume.
That
would
be
an
increased
number
of
cars
accessing
it
during
certain
times
of
day.
I
Yes,
that
was
looked
at
as
well
in
the
in
the
morning
when,
when
the
Starbucks
will
have
the
greatest
number
of
customers
arriving
is
when
is
essentially
when
the
residents
will
be
leaving,
so
they
will
not
be
part
of
the
queue
that's
on
on
the
street
for
the
most
part
and
that's
about
a
70/30
mix,
the
the
43
apartment
units
in
in
the
a.m.
peak
time,
the
ite
numbers
suggest
and
Institute
of
Transportation
engineers
numbers
suggest
its
point:
three
six
vehicle
trips
per
units
for
the
ANP
and
point
four
four
for
the
PMP.
I
So
the
point
three
times
forty
three,
you
know
roughly
thirteen
and
then
and
then
you
split
that
70/30.
Seventy
percent
exiting
30
percent
entering
you
really
don't
have
very
many
people
coming
in
and
adding
to
that
queue.
I
did
look
at
that.
It's
it's
insignificant
as
far
as
whether
just
the
just
the
first-floor
development
at
this
point
is
four
point:
seven
feet
of
qat
rounded
up
to
75
when
you
have
the
residential
on
top
you're,
like
seventy
five
point:
two,
it's
still
roughly
75.
D
C
C
So
yes,
that
is
now
a
possibility,
if,
if
that
was,
if
that
was
the
wish
to
the
Commission
I
would
also
note
that
you
know
any
future
continuations
is
this
situation
where
you
know
for
any
future
considerations
or
delays.
The
applicant
has
to
voluntarily
extend
the
120
day
decision
period
with
each
one.
L
A
L
Just
so
we,
if
I,
hear
you
correctly
just
requiring
a
lot
of
the
right
term
route
prohibiting
the
left
turn
will
make
this
project
unfeasible
correct.
So
I
also
am
hearing
that
you
have
no
no
plan
right
now
for
how
much
you're
going
to
add
the
footings
and
all
the
extra
things
you
need
for
extra
floors.
But
right
now
you
have
no
plan
for
how
much
that
is
well.
H
L
You
give
me
an
estimate
of
like
what
difference
in
construction
costs
might
be
from
what
you
know
right
now.
One
story
to
nine
story:
I,
imagine
that's
a
pretty
big
gap
and
where
I'm
going
with
this
is
for
you
say
this
is
an
infeasible
project
because
of
a
left
turn
lane.
When
you
don't
have
a
plan
for
how
big
the
construction
cost
could
go,
makes
me
very
much
doubt
that
statement
can.
L
You
know
that,
because
that's
showing
my
guess
is
that's
gonna,
be
a
pretty
substantial
cost
and
so
saying
that
that's
not
seeing
that
that's
not
factored
into
your
equation
makes
me
pretty
doubtful
and
I
would
also
add
that
there's
in
my
own
Ward
that
I
represent
the
Starbucks
was
added
across
from
a
caribou,
and
all
that
happened
was
southbound.
Traffic
close
to
Starbucks
and
northbound
goes
to
caribou,
and
so
it's
something
that
it
also
too
made
a,
not
great
intersection,
really
bad
sure
and
so
I
think
that's
what's
at
stake
here
and
I.
H
Sure,
okay,
so
when
I
said
it
would
kill,
the
development
would
kill
the
retail
portion.
Okay,
because
retailers
need
customers.
Okay,
there
are
no
drive-through
coffee
shops
in
this
general
area.
So
it's
not
the
case
of
putting
Starbucks
across
the
street
from
Kerrville,
which
I
when
I
heard
that
I
thought
that
was
kind
of
crazy.
Personally,
we
have
21
stacking
spots
on
our
site
for
a
drive-through
which
is
way
more
than
anyone's
going
to
want
to
wait
in
line
so
and
that
doesn't
go
out
into
the
street.
H
You
heard
vern
talk
about
the
fact
our
left
turn
lane
is
a
hundred
and
twelve
hundred
thirteen
feet
and
to
meet
the
95th
percentile
of
possible
cars
waiting
to
turn
in.
He
only
needs
seventy-five
feet,
so
we
have
plenty
of
room
to
not
only
take
those
left-hand
turns,
but
for
people
turning
off
going
on
42nd
east
bone
they'll
have
room
to
navigate
around
because
the
cards
aren't
gonna,
be
coming
out
to
the
street.
To
do
that,
so
no
one's
gonna
get
blocked
in
that
left
turn
lane.
Okay
and
so
I.
H
F
The
question
one
of
your
people
mentioned
that
in
the
in
the
future,
when
you
had,
the
residential
residents
will
be
leaving
in
the
morning,
people
will
be
coming
in
to
get
coffee.
I
was
just
wondering:
where
are
you
planning
on
putting
parking
for
your
residential,
whether
it's
three
stories
or
nine
stories?
Well,.
K
H
A
A
J
I
will
my
concerns
with
this
proposal
related
really
solely
to
the
traffic
circulation,
which
is
one
of
the
criteria.
We
have
to
evaluate
a
site
plan.
It
seems
that
Public
Works
staff
is
really
insistent
on
not
allowing
left
turns
into
the
site,
even
if
they
were.
It
seems
that
adding
a
left
turn
lane
would
certainly
require
widening
of
the
intersection
of
42nd
and
Hiawatha,
which
presents
a
more
dangerous
pedestrian
situation
at
an
already
wide
intersection
that
isn't
particularly
pedestrian
friendly
in
the
first
place.
J
I
think,
if
we're,
if
left
turns,
were
physically
prohibited
into
the
site,
that
would
create
a
very
problematic
traffic
circulation
pattern.
People
would
be
circling
around
through
the
neighborhood,
so
I
have
some
pretty
consistent.
Some
pretty
significant
concerns.
I
know
the
applicant
pointed
out
that
there
was
a
previous
proposal
that
have
been
approved
that
had
a
driveway
there,
but
you
know
our
evaluation
of
this
really
relies
on
Public
Works
staffs
recommendations
and
those
recommendations
can
evolve
over
time.
J
G
You,
mr.
president,
I,
don't
think
I'm
gonna
support
that
motion
I
would
have
supported
a
motion
to
approve
the
site
plan
with
those
two
other
conditions
that
I
know
the
applicant
doesn't
want.
I
understand
that
I'm
persuaded
by
the
public
works
argument
here
a
couple
of
other
things.
Just
that
troubled
me
a
little
bit
about
the
application.
G
A
F
K
M
Yes,
we
had
two
appeals
that
went
to
Z
and
P
last
week
from
I'm
losing
track
of
our
meetings
that
our
September
meeting
one
was
related
to
the
Costco
gas
station.
The
zoning
and
planning
committee,
the
City
Council,
is
making
a
recommendation
to
full
council
to
uphold
the
Planning
Commission
decision
on
item,
as
well
as
the
appeal
on
the
parking
variance
for
the
Center
for
the
Performing
Arts
and
then
from
our
last
meeting
our
October
7th
meeting.
We
did
receive
an
appeal
of
the
Fullerton
flats
project
at
47th
and.