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From YouTube: January 28, 2019 City Planning Commission
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Minneapolis City Planning Commission Meeting
A
Good
afternoon,
I
will
call
to
order
the
January
28th
meeting
in
the
Minneapolis
City
Planning
Commission.
My
name
is
Matt
Brown
I
serve
as
president
of
the
Commission
I'm
joined
today
by
commissioners,
trader
Lukey,
Pearce,
weezy,
kögel
and
Rockwell.
Our
first
item
business
today
is
to
approve
the
actions
from
the
January
14th
meeting.
Commissioners
may
have
a
motion
to
approve
those
actions.
A
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
all
in
favor,
and
that
motion
carries
next
item
of
business
is
to
approve
the
agenda.
You
can
find
hard
copies
of
the
agenda
in
the
hallway,
we'll
determine
which
items
will
be
considered
on
consent
which
will
be
continued
to
another
meeting
and
which
we
will
discuss
today
so
starting
at
the
top
of
the
agenda
item.
One
is
a
center
point:
energy
substation
at
2406,
McNair,
Avenue
North,
several
applications
for
a
new
related
to
a
new
energy
substation,
as
well
as
a
preliminary
plat.
A
Certainly
anyone
wishing
to
speak
in
opposition
to
or
modify
the
staff
recommendation
on
item
1
see.
No
one
will
put
that
on
consent.
Item
2
is
the
lush
addition
at
984
through
990
Central,
Avenue,
Northeast
variance
and
site
plan
review
for
a
building
addition
at
that
location.
So
anyone
wishing
to
speak
in
opposition
to
or
modify
the
staff
recommendation
on
item
2
signal
and
we'll
put
that
on
consent.
Item
3
is
the
opus
office
edition
of
3701
Wayzata
Boulevard.
That's
a
conditional
use
permit
for
height.
A
Is
anyone
wishing
to
speak
in
opposition
to
or
modify
the
staff
recommendation
on
item
a3?
Seeing
no
one
will
put
item
3
on
consent
item
4
is
the
aiccm
Family
Life
Center
parking
at
1801
through
1805
Park
Avenue,
several
applications
for
a
parking
facility
at
that
location
is
wishing
to
speak
in
opposition
to
or
modify
the
staff
recommendation
on
item
4,
seeing
no
one
will
put
item
4
on
consent
item
5
is
2915
du
Pont
Avenue,
1006,
Westlake
Street
and
2900
Colfax
Avenue
South
several
applications
for
a
new
multi-family
building
at
that
location.
A
That
item
will
be
continued
to
the
February
11th
meeting.
If
anyone
is
here
for
that
item,
six
is
the
Planned
Parenthood
Uptown
Minneapolis
clinic
at
1200
lagoon
Avenue
29:16,
Emerson,
Avenue
South,
several
applications
for
a
clinic
and
office
building
at
that
location
is
anyone
wishing
to
speak
in
opposition
to
or
modify
the
staff
recommendation
on
item
6c?
No
one
will
put
item
six
on
consent.
A
Moving
along
item
7
is
1724
and
1728
Nicolette
Avenue
17
27
LaSalle
Avenue.
Several
applications
for
a
mixed-use
building
at
that
location
will
discuss
item
7.
If
anyone
is
here
for
that.
Finally
item
eight
is
Malcolm
Yards
at
4:45
Malcolm
Avenue,
southeast
419,
through
504
29th,
Avenue,
southeast
and
501
30th
Avenue
southeast
several
applications
for
a
project
at
that
location
item
eight
will
be
also
continued
to
the
February
11th
meeting.
A
If
anyone
is
here
for
that,
so
our
agenda
as
amended,
is
as
follows:
items
1,
2,
3,
4,
&
6,
will
be
a
consent,
will
discuss
item
7
item
5
will
be
continued
to
the
February
11th
meeting
and
item
8
will
also
be
continued
to
the
February
11th
meeting.
They
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
agenda
as
amended.
A
A
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
all
in
favor
and
that
motion
carries.
We
have
no
committee
of
the
whole
consent
agenda
today.
So
we'll
move
on
to
our
public
hearings
and
at
this
time,
I'll
open
the
public
hearing
for
the
items
on
the
consent
agenda.
So
again,
that's
items,
1
2,
3,
4,
&,
6
again
as
anyone
here
to
speak
on
any
of
those
items.
Yes
got
a
question
or
you
were
here
to
speak
on.
A
B
Name
is
Jeff
Halverson
and
we
live
at
24:14,
23rd,
Avenue,
north
or
24:14
McNair,
it's
kind
of
a
kind
of
a
we
have
to
play.
It's
not
two
places.
We
just
have
two
addresses
for
one
house,
but
we
live
right
next
door
to
the
proposed
substation
and
I
was
kind
of
wondering
how
big
it's
gonna
be.
It
says
in
here
that
they
wanted
want
to
use
the
three
Lots
there
that
are
available
yep.
A
A
Yeah
and
that's
that's
something
we
can't
really
resolve
in
this
meeting,
but
what
I
might
ask
you
to
do
is
after
this
public
hearing.
Perhaps
you
could
just
connect
with
Peter
Crandall
the
staff
person
on
this
item
just
out
in
the
hallway
here,
and
he
can
maybe
have
a
conversation
about
that.
We,
we
don't
really
have
the
ability
to
make
changes
to
that
plat
at
this
point,
but
perhaps
there's
an
opportunity
to
have
a
further
conversation.
Can.
A
And
wonder
can
talk
yet
I
think?
Maybe
it
would
be
best.
He
would
have
that
square
footage
just
offhand,
so
you
can
just
maybe
connect
with
him
in
the
hall.
Okay,
just
during
this
Marian
think
so
Peters
right
over
here.
All
right
is
there
anyone
else
who
would
like
to
speak
on
any
of
the
consent
agenda
items
again,
that's
items,
one
two,
three
four
and
six
see
knowing
I'll
close
the
public
hearing
and
commissioners
Commissioner
looky
here,
Tommy.
A
E
Good
evening,
commissioners,
the
project
before
you
is
at
17
24
in
1728
Nicolette
Avenue
in
1727
LaSalle.
The
site
is
just
over
30,000
square
feet
and
is
triangular
in
shape.
It's
currently
split
sound,
including
one
of
the
underlying
puzzles
itself,
is
split,
sound
between
the
or
three
district
in
the
c2
district,
the
site
borders
a
night
at
the
interstate
94
to
the
north,
and
here
you
can
see
the
site
in
a
couple
of
maps
submitted
by
the
applicant,
the
applicant
has
proposed
a
new
mixed-use
building.
E
That
would
be
six
stories
with
123
drawing
units
and
2,900
square
feet
of
commercial
space.
The
applications
requested
include
a
rezoning
to
add
the
split
zoning
overlay
to
allow
development
on
the
split
zone
site,
a
conditional
use
permit
to
increase
the
maximum
allowed
height
from
four
stories
or
56
to
six
stories,
or
seventy
seven
and
a
half
feet,
and
just
a
note
that
some
of
these
applications
are
a
little
unique
due
to
this
application.
E
Here's
a
site
plan
of
the
site
and
I'm
gonna
focus
my
presentation
on
the
exterior
materials
and
some
of
the
landscaping
questions.
So
the
site
currently
is
vacant
along
Nicollet
Avenue.
There
is
a
surface
parking
lot
in
the
two
parcels
that
front
Nicollet
and
then,
along
with
Sal,
there
is
a
community
garden.
E
But
one
option
that
I
heard
discussed
was,
you
know,
potentially
having
garden
plots
for
residents
and
then
potentially
opening
that
up
to
the
public
as
well.
The
applicant
has
also
proposed
some
extensive
landscaping
along
the
sidewalk
that
runs
along
the
north
side
of
the
site
and
that's
the
sidewalk
easement
that
I
previously
mentioned
so
I'm
gonna
quickly
go
through
the
elevations
on
this
site.
The
applicant
has
proposed
a
variety
of
exterior
materials,
including
stone,
multiple
colors
of
metal
panel,
multiple
colors
of
cement
panel,
several
different
types
of
concrete
and
a
wood-look
resin
and
stone.
E
There
are
a
number
of
requests
for
alternate
compliance,
including
building
placement
along
lasalle,
visual
interest
for
blank
walls,
exterior
material
durability.
As
the
percentage
of
less
than
five
eighths
inch
fiber
cement
is
exceeded.
On
the
West
elevation,
the
quantity
of
exterior
materials
is
between
the
various
colors
of
exterior
materials
and
the
number
of
them
it
could
appear.
You
know
to
be
more
than
ten
materials
on
the
building
as
a
whole,
and
then
the
windows
on
the
residential
portion
of
the
North
elevation
and
ground
floor
active
functions.
E
E
Material
shall
be
limited,
as
shown
on
your
screen,
and
then
the
each
elevation,
excluding
color
variation,
shall
be
limited
to
no
more
than
three.
In
addition,
I
wanted
to
speak
to
I
believe
we
have
potentially
some
folks
from
the
neighborhood
group
here
to
discuss
the
community
garden
and
how
that
will
function
on
site.
E
I
know
that
there
was
some
hope
that
the
applicant
might
enter
into
an
agreement
with
the
neighborhood
group,
to
you
know,
pledge
a
certain
percentage
of
these
units
as
open
to
the
public
and
just
as
an
a
note
on
that
that
you
know.
Typically,
we
would
you
if
the
applicant
was
amenable
to
it,
potentially
advised
them
to
encourage
them
to
work
with
a
neighborhood
group
or
that
sort
of
thing,
but
none
of
the
applications
that
are
being
requested
are,
you
know,
what's
specifically
allow
us
to
require
that
they
provide
some
public
space,
on-site
and
I.
A
F
F
For
discussing
the
whole,
we
are
keeping
the
the
spirit
of
the
of
the
code
or
the
guideline
I
should
say
for
the
whole
building,
where
the
whole
building
for
the
cementation
percentage
percentages,
percentages
under
30%
it's
at
28.5,
but
in
terms
of
the
West
facade,
which
is
the
facade
we
see
here
in
plan,
it's
the
shortest
facade
of
the
building,
and
it's
also
pushed
about
95
feet
back
from
the
property
line
and
even
further
from
the
street.
We
are
placing
a
community
garden
in
front
of
it,
and
I
can
flash
the
elevation
up.
F
So
this
small
section
right
here
represents
that
area
we're
talking
about
that
is
currently
at
47%
of
a
segment
Isha's
panel
where
we
have
you
know
a
stone
base,
a
composite
cement,
Tisha's
panel
and
a
small
amount
of
senate
issues
panel
on
the
base,
like
I
said,
this
facade
will
be
pushed
back
about
ninety
five
feet
from
the
street
and
there
will
be,
you
know,
trees
in
front
from
the
street,
so
the
view
from
the
street
to
this
facade
is
very
limited.
So
this
is
a
point
that
we
would
like
to
discuss.
F
The
next
two
conditions
of
approval
that
we'd
like
to
discuss
our
items,
f6
and
f8,
which
they
seem
to
be
the
same
condition
limiting
the
number
of
principle
materials.
As
we
count
we
have
about
six
primary
materials.
We're
allowed
to
have
three.
The
intent
is,
is
that
this
project
spans?
You
know
two
different
major
streets
being
Nicollet
and
lacell,
and
whenever
we
do
that
and
have
a
larger
scale
project
like
this,
we're
concerned
with
making
not
every
street
the
same
character
and
we
use
the
materials
and
add
materials
to
help
create
that
character.
F
Anything
stone
on
the
ground
floor.
We
have
architectural
concrete.
You
know
on
on
the
South
portion
of
that
Street
metal
panel,
semmen
Tisha's
panel
and
then
also
a
small
portion
of
composite
wood,
which
is
a
resin,
so
that
is
more
than
three
materials
and
we're,
like
I,
said
we're
trying
to
develop
the
right
identity
for
that
Street
and
the
character.
F
A
H
F
I
H
I
F
J
I
I
I
guess
my
concern
is
just
that:
there's
a
that
you're
not
working
against
yourself
in
trying
to
encourage
people
to
not
have
cars,
since
this
is
the
densest
neighborhood
in
the
city
and
whatever,
if
that
can
be
done
to
make
that
happiness.
Its
greatly
helpful,
especially
when
we
I'm
slightly
concerned
about.
K
F
C
I
just
had
a
couple
questions.
One
was
what,
in
terms
of
the
resin
portion
of
that
No
East
facade,
do
you
know
if,
for
example,
I
think
what
Commission
with
you
know
might
have
been
getting?
It
is
if
it
falls
within
the
allowable
square
footage
for
signage,
for
the
building
and,
and
could
it
be
considered,
you
know
how
it
stands
in
regard
to
that
if
it
was
considered
signage
or
not,
not
just
a
little
bead,
you
draw
a
box
around
the
letters
anyway,
so
I'm
just
wondering
how
far
off
you
are
from
that.
C
Okay
and
then
my
other
question
is
you
mentioned
earlier
about
how
the
different
streets
have
different
identities
and
and
I
think
that
makes
some
degree
of
sense
and
there's
the
North
and
South
elevation.
But
can
you
explain
a
little
bit
more
excite?
You
lost
you
when
we
got
to
this
the
Nicollet
part
just
east
elevation
as
to
how
it
all
makes
sense.
They're
like
I,
get
the
two
separate
streets,
but
I
didn't
quite
get
why
it's
all
on
the
one
side.
So
could
you
just
maybe
explain
the
reasoning
behind
that?
C
F
Well,
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
modulate
the
upper
portion
of
the
building,
where
that
creates
the
division
between
metal
panel
and
the
Semin
Tisha's
panel
and
on
the
lower
portion
of
the
building.
We're
trying
to
modulate
that
too.
By
utilizing
where
the
access
entry
is
and
when
we
get
to
this
south
side
of
the
building,
there
is
an
adjacent
building
that
is
a
one-story
retail
building,
which
is
the
Ace
Hardware.
That's
built
right
up
to
it
and
I
suppose
that
this
identity
of
this
piece
is
bike
storage.
F
We
wanted
it
to
stand
out
as
something
as
part
of
a
community
and
not
just
another
part
of
the
building,
so
it's
identifiable
as
bicyclists
will
use
it,
and
so
that
kind
of
division
and
those
functions
behind
the
spaces
are
kind
of
creating
that
need
for
those
those
different
materials
and
then
obviously
the
retail
portion
is
the
portion
that
has
stone.
That's
outlining
the
function
behind
that.
Thank.
L
A
M
Even
I'm
Robert
Scotty
I
coordinate
the
gardens
for
Stephens
community
for
Stephens,
community
organization
and
I
guess.
Our
largest
concern
is
that
the
garden
has
been
there
since
1997
and
has
supported
like
25
at
least
25
gardeners
in
the
neighborhood
and
I
know
that
there's
a
community
garden
in
the
mates
which
I
appreciate
that
very
much.
But
it's
mainly
for
the
tenants
and
what's
been
so
wonderful
about
the
song
I
mean.
Is
it's
brought
together?
A
community
of
people
to
get
together
and
have
pot
looks,
and
just
it's
brings
safety.
M
It
brings
a
a
sensual
feeling
to
the
area
and
my
concern
is
that
we're
going
to
lose
that
if
it's
open
first
just
to
the
tenants,
then
it's
not
going
to
be
a
full
community
garden
anymore
and
Stephens.
The
community
has
always
been
very
passionate
about
its
green
space
and
we
do
have
garden
on
the
south
side
and
I'm
trying
right
now
to
figure
out
ways
to
build
more
plots
just
so
the
people
that
are
losing
their
spots
/
because
it'll
probably
be
at
least
a
couple
of
years
before
we
have
space
again.
M
L
N
I'm
not
really
sure
to
say
my
name
is
Kyla
Lawrence
I'm
at
20,
Groveland
Avenue.
This
building
that
they're
proposing
to
build
basically
is
on
my
block.
I
live
right
there,
one
of
the
best
things
about
gardening
there
is
that
it
is
right
on
my
block.
So,
no
matter
what
my
schedule
is
like
all
summer,
long
I
can
get
there
to
take
care
of
the
vegetables
I'm
growing,
but
it's
also
been
where
Robert
just
was
speaking,
has
been
a
longtime
friend
of
mine
and
being
that
he
manages
the
gardens.
N
We're
just
really
intent
on
finding
a
way
to
make
it
where
a
lot
of
us
could
still
maybe
have
a
space
to
do
that
in,
like
Pamela
she's
gonna
be
talking
to
she
cleaned
our
little
space
that
we
created
last
year,
like
our
backyard,
because,
like
three
of
us
that
most
three
five
eight
of
us
at
any
given
time,
we
all
live
within
a
block
of
there,
and
that
is
like
our
backyard.
That's
where
we
get
to
grow
our
vegetables
in
their
flowers
and
stuff
like
that
and
and
we're
just
trying
to
do
it.
O
O
There
are
now
friends,
we
are
a
community,
it's
a
community
for
everyone
in
the
community,
people
bring
their
dogs,
people
that
work
in
the
neighborhood
come
and
bring
their
lunches
and
sit
there,
and
we
work
very
hard
to
be
a
really
good
community
and
care
about
the
community
as
a
whole.
It
is
what
we
call
our
backyard
we
get
together
for
gatherings.
Many
of
us
also
got
together
and
got
to
know
each
other
and
volunteer
work
in
other
areas
of
the
community
for
greeting
spaces.
Sorry
I
love
that
space
so
much
I'm
about
to
cry.
O
We
bring
our
pets,
we
talked
about
what
else
is
going
on
in
the
community
trouble
areas?
What
we
can
do,
how
we
can
work
together,
not
just
at
the
garden
but
the
whole
community,
and
we're
going
to
lose
that
and
what
the
proposing
is
a
very,
very
small
space.
Many
of
us
are
not
couldn't
be
able
to
get
a
space
and
it
might
be
gated,
and
it's
just
sad.
A
P
My
name
is
Scott
Hartley
I'm,
the
executive
director
for
the
Stephens
square
community
organization
and
I'm.
Also
a
resident
I
live
just
down
the
block
from
this
proposed
development
at
116,
Groveland
Avenue
I'm.
Here
today,
because
I
was
approached
by
a
number
of
gardeners
who
said
they
wanted
to
come
and
let
you
know
how
important
this
garden
space
is
to
them,
and
so
what
I'm
here
for
is
to
talk
about
ways
that
we
might
address
everyone's
feelings
around
this
and
come
to
a
good
solution.
P
So
the
as
we
already
heard
from
Robert
the
LaSalle
north
community
garden
has
been
around
since
1997.
Neighborhood
looked
really
different
at
that
point,
and
now
neighborhood
residents
are
overwhelmingly
supportive
of
yellow
trees,
project
and
excited
to
see
a
parking
lot
turn
into
an
active
hub
for
new
community
members
and
visitors.
The
neighborhood
is
ready
for
an
investment
in
underused
spaces,
and
today
I
asked
the
city
to
approve,
yellow
trees
development,
with
the
condition
that
it
worked
with
the
Stephens
Square
community
organization
to
develop
a
shared
use
agreement
with
SS
CEO.
P
Today,
I
reviewed
the
Minneapolis
2040
plan
and
saw
a
few
policies
that
I
wanted
to
just
bring
out
in
highlight
in
relationship
to
this
project
in
the
impending
loss
of
the
community
garden
space.
True
community
garden,
space
policy
100,
the
very
last
one
empowers
neighborhood
engagement
through
robust
neighborhood
based
organizations.
So
that's
why
we're
here
right
now
to
do
this
advocacy,
work
policy,
nine,
open
spaces
and
new
development
about
creating
new
open
spaces
in
public
and
private
places.
P
An
action
attached
to
that
is
to
encourage
the
creation
of
equitable,
publicly
accessible,
open
spaces
and
plazas
that
connect
to
other
public
or
semi-public
spaces
through
incentives
and
requirements.
Policy
eight
says
public
safety
through
Environmental
Design.
This
area
often
was
a
place
where
there
was
crime
happening
and
so
having
eyes
on
the
street.
There
was
really
critical
to
turn
it
into
a
safer
place
for
our
community
policy
81
social
connectedness,
and
this
is
really
why
these
these
community
gardeners
could
really
speak
to
this
better
than
I
can.
P
But
I
wanted
to
point
out
an
action
under
that
policy.
81
was
through
programs
and
the
design
of
community
spaces,
including
parks,
community
and
youth
centers,
new
buildings
and
city
streets.
Minneapolis
can
foster
environments
that
increase
social
connectedness,
helping
to
improve
individual
health
and
resilience
and
leading
to
stronger,
more
engaged
communities
and
greater
involvement
in
city
decision-making.
I
think
it's
a
good
example
of
all
these
folks
came
for
the
community
garden
and
now
they're
very
active
in
other
aspects
of
the
the
neighborhood
policies,
61,
environmental
justice
and
green
zones.
P
So
the
city
of
Minneapolis
defines
environmental
justice.
Is
the
right
to
a
clean,
safe
and
healthy
quality
of
life
for
people
of
all
races,
incomes
and
cultures,
environment,
environmental
justice
emphasizes
accountability,
democratic
processes,
remedying
the
historical
impact
of
environmental
racism,
just
an
equitable
treatment
and
self-determination.
The
city
has
articulated
the
green
space,
is
an
amenity
and
a
right
and
that
public
private
nonprofit
partnerships
will
be
an
effective
of
moving
forward.
The
goal
of
transforming
the
urban
landscape
as
a
low-income,
neighborhood
and
diverse
neighborhood.
P
Greening
initiatives
have
been
central
to
our
work
as
the
Stephon
square
community
organization
for
over
two
decades,
providing
a
fair
and
democratic
means
for
residents
to
find
joy
and
community
gardening,
making
real
impacts
on
our
livability
goals.
We
see
a
formal
partnership
with
yellow
tree
as
a
win-win,
using
our
demonstrated
success
to
address
equitable
access
to
green
space,
an
effective
means
to
get
eyes
on
the
street
for
better
public
safety
and
an
opportunity
to
make
connections
between
neighbors.
P
So
again,
today,
I
asked
the
city
to
approve
yellow
trees
development,
with
the
condition
that
it
work
with
the
Stephens
Square
community
organization
to
develop
a
shared
use
agreement
to
bring
an
S
bring
on
sseo
as
an
active
partner
in
the
management
and
use
of
the
planned
community
garden
in
a
way
that
promotes
equity,
environmental
justice,
public
safety
and
social
connectedness.
Thank
you.
How
do
you
take
any
questions
to
Commissioner.
G
I'd
like
to
thank
you
all
for
providing
testimony
with
that
pounding
in
the
back
I'm
sure
it
was
not
to
concentration.
Certainly
not
helpful
to
mine.
I
am
interested
in.
From
your
perspective,
the
community's
perspective
and
the
developer's
perspective
to
know
what
conversations
have
gone
on
so
far
and
where
you're
at
in
those
conversations
at
this
point,
I'm
sure
so.
P
This
process
has
moved
pretty
quickly
in
June
of
2018.
Yellow
tree
came
in
to
talk
about
a
development
in
the
neighborhood,
that's
essentially
across
the
street
on
Nicollet,
and
there
was
a
fair
amount
of
talking
between
the
community
and
the
developer.
I
wasn't
on
board
on
staff,
yet
so
I
don't
know
exactly
what
happened.
P
But
from
what
I
understand,
everybody
was
very
into
this
development
happening
and
so
seeing
the
I
was
approached
by
Erin
from
djr
architecture
about
making
a
presentation
at
a
community
meeting,
and
this
was
our
December
neighborhood
development
committee
meeting
and
we
haven't
really
had
a
chance
to
talk
about
as
a
board
very
much.
There
have
been
no
formal
agreements,
everything's
just
moving
really
quickly
and
that's
why
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
took
advantage
of
this
hearing
happening
today
to
make
a
formal
appeal
to
make
that
happen.
A
D
Q
Good
evening,
Rob
loop
now
with
yellow
tree,
live
at
46
in
the
park
talking
with
some
of
the
concerns,
and
also
maybe
even
stepping
back
further
I,
think
on
all
of
our
infill
developments
and
how
we
approach
buildings,
we
look
at
how
can
the
neighborhood
be
amenity
to
our
building
and
then
how
can
our
building
be
an
amenity
of
the
neighbors?
So
I
think
this
is
really
a
showpiece
of
how
that
got
brought
into
play.
So
it's
not,
if
not
often,
and
even
if
we
can
go
back
to
this
image.
Q
You
know
we
have
where
walls
with
water
collection
coming
from
a
rough,
green
roofs.
All
those
things
came
into
play.
The
topic
on
point
is
the
community
garden.
Absolutely
you
know,
I
don't
want
to
lose
the
point
that
we
want
our
residents
to
be
a
part
of
the
neighborhood
too.
So
it's
not
like
they're
the
segment
segregated
piece
that
they're
just
different.
We
want
them
connected
with
the
neighborhood,
and
how
do
you
do
that?
I
can't
think
of
a
better
way
of
having
a
community
garden
connecting
with
neighbors.
Q
You
know
Stevens,
Square
and
beyond
final
point
of
contacts.
This
is
currently
a
community
garden.
You
can
see
the
outline
of
a
building
and
then
there
is
the
larger
community
garden
to
the
south.
So
how
does
that
give
us
opportunities?
I?
Think
it's
sharing
spaces,
so
sharing
tools,
sharing
knowledge,
how
that's
being
used
we're,
definitely
open
in
our
previous
meetings.
We
want
to
work
with
them.
We
know
how
to
build
and
manage
apartment
buildings.
We
don't
know
how
to
manage
space.
Q
J
Q
Q
Q
That
I'm
not
sure
we
have
any
deer,
but
here
we
have
coyotes
now
so
right
here.
This
is
this
is
LaSalle.
So
how
do
we
capture
this
space
and
also
provide
you
know
something
as
a
walkway
that
people
want
to
use
so
we're
looking
at
lighting
options,
letting
the
trail,
but
also
have
you
know
benches,
but
then?
Yes,
there
is
a
3-foot
tall
fence
around
the
garden,
also
separating
it
from
a
pet
run.
But
then
primarily,
it's
planned
things
along
the
south.
Q
Q
And
there's
the
gate
to
the
dog
rod,
but
then
again
you
know
it's
this
there's
already.
You
know
things
that
are
in
place
that
they
have
that
we
would
love
to
be
a
part
of,
and
even
though
the
fees,
where
does
the
fees
go
to
for
these
individual
planters?
Is
it
the
group
as
a
whole
I
would
love
that
to
be
the
case
and.
I
Commissioner
gillen,
so
from
what
you
said,
it
sounds
like,
generally
speaking
here,
I'm
amenable
to
working
with
some
neighborhood
interested
from
absent,
putting
forward
what
was
suggested
as
a
additional
condition
regarding
working
with
the
neighborhood
to
explore
our
shared
use,
agreement
and
I'm,
just
wondering
if
that
is
indeed
something
that
are
amenable
to
or
not.
It
wasn't
quite
sure
by
your
statement.
I,
don't.
Q
Want
to
leave
it
open-ended,
I
mean
a
shared
access
agreement.
Is
that
something
we're
looking
for
a
20-year
agreement?
I
don't
know,
but
what
I
do
know
is
that
we're
definitely
open
to
having
this
be
a
neighborhood
amenity,
but
also
providing
that
amenity
to
our
neighbors
I'm.
Sorry
to
our
our
renters
too,
and.
Q
I
Q
Quite
frankly,
we
could
shed
the
responsibility
of
managing
this
space
with
some
priority
given
to
our
tenants.
Realm
we'd
be
open
to
that,
but
that
would
take
it
off
of
our
plate.
They
can
handle
it
better
than
we
can.
But
you
know,
what's
this
agreement,
it
was
it
look
like
just
kind
of
speculating.
That's
tough
right.
J
Didn't
mean
to
bump
ahead,
but
I
also
understand
gardeners
for
coming
today.
I
also
just
want
to
add
that
this
is.
This
is
an
ongoing
debate.
You
know
the
city
is
growing.
I
mean
we're
having
a
real
big
discussion
about
what
is
the
best
use
of
plant.
You
know
we
want
to
make
sure
we're
using
underutilized
land,
but
but
for
years
we've
also
used
that
land
for
for
gardens
for
communities
to
come
together
to
be
able
to
give
back
and
bring
to
community,
and
so
it's
it's
it's
a
hard
thing.
J
You
know
I
think
that
there's
some
limitations
of
what
the
city
can
do
for
private
property
that
is,
is
being
sold,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
lose.
You
know
what's
been
built
through
the
community,
so
I
appreciate
the
developers
putting
a
community
garden
and
to
keep
working
with
the
neighborhood
and.
A
D
You
had
an
opportunity
to
have
a
sort
of
a
new
model
order.
You
are
in
fact
integrating
your
residents
into
the
neighborhood
in
really
deliberate
way,
which
is,
if
you
set
a
certain
percentage
of
these
for
your
residents
and
a
certain
percent.
You
know
hold
at
least
a
certain
percent
for
for
community
members
that
live
beyond
the
project
itself.
I
think
that
would
be
it
really.
It
would
be
compelling
model
for
others
to
see
and
I
think
you
could
then
gain
a
lot
of
the
insights
from
the
current
community
gardeners.
D
I
was
at
this
something,
as
somebody
who
has
my
own
plots.
Look
at
you
growing
some
big
trees,
just
south
of
the
garden
I
think
that
might
not
be
very
successful
garden
from
a
planning
perspective.
So
you
could
get
those
those
insights
as
well,
but
I
just
I
would
encourage
you
know
we
don't
have.
We
have
fuzzy
at
best
authority
to
require
you
to
do
this.
What
we
can
encourage
you
to
do
it
and
put
a
condition
there
and
I.
D
Think
I
would
do
that,
but
but
I
really
would
encourage
you
to
think
about
how
you
can
work
with
this
garden,
the
garden
group,
to
create
that
new
model
and
really
show
because
we
hear
a
lot
of
sort
of
common
complaints
of
a
new
project
as
it
goes
out
and
that
people
are
part
of
the
neighborhood
and
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
untruth
to
that.
But
but
this
is
a
way
of
really
explicitly
saying.
No,
we
are
part
of
the
neighborhood.
L
R
A
I
A
K
I'm
Natasha
being
away,
though
I
live
in
1826
LaSalle,
Avenue
and
I've
lived
in
the
neighborhood
for
about
five
years,
and
we've
been
in
the
South
LaSalle
garden
for
about
three
growing
seasons
now
and
being
a
renter.
It's
really
important
to
me
to
have
a
feeling
of
permanence
and
investment
in
the
community
and
I
think
if
we
expect
people
to
live
in
a
dense
way,
which
I
think
we
all
agree
is
good
for
sustainability.
We
need.
We
need
to
preserve
these
third
spaces
a
place
where
people
can
go.
K
They
don't
necessarily
have
to
spend
money,
but
they
can
enjoy
nature,
and
you
know
if
we
live
in
a
really
tiny
800
square
foot
apartment
or
something
it's
really
nice
to
have
that
outdoor
space.
So
I
just
want
to
advocate
for
preserving
all
of
the
current
green
space,
if
at
all
possible,
and
then
also
advocate
for
the
developers
to
come
to
an
agreement
with
the
Stephens
core
community
organization
regarding
preserving
that
land
for
a
certain
amount
of
time.
We
the
way
we
operate
now
is
that
anybody
can
come
and
garden.
K
You
know,
market
rate
or
their
ability
to
live
in
a
building
such
as
myself,
which
I
believe
is
below
market
rate
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
it's
been
a
place.
It's
been
a
really
great
place
for
me
to
meet
others,
also,
I
garden.
There,
my
partner
gardens
there,
our
friend
kami
who's,
unblock
Patrol,
that's
just
a
fabulous
way,
I
think
for
people
to
come
together,
but
also
to
the
fence.
Point
I.
Think
the
word
fence,
like
triggers.
K
You
know
because,
like
a
wall
but
I
just
want
to
say
like
what
we've
seen
in
the
neighborhood
is
the
more
accessible
the
places
are
the
more
eyes
on
the
street.
The
more
you
know:
people
can
go
there
and
be
there
I
think
that
makes
it
safe
or
not.
I,
don't
think
the
fence
makes
it
safe,
I
think
people
being
there
and
people
loving
that
space
and
spending
time
there
is
what
makes
it
safe.
So
I
just
want
to
speak
a
little
bit
to
that.
Thank
you
for
listening.
Thank.
A
I
guess,
if
you
have
a
question
or
something
well,
we
really
should
just
have
everyone
speak
once
I
apologize
for
that
anyone
else
would
like
to
speak.
If
there
is
no
one,
I
will
close
the
public
hearing
and
commissioners,
we
have,
let's
see
several
applications
before
us.
A
total
of
six
starting
with
the
rezoning
is
there.
Are
there
any
further
questions,
or
would
someone
like
to
start
things
off
with
a
motion.
C
A
I
O
A
I
K
A
A
R
Commissioners,
I
think
there's
probably
some
ability
for
the
applicant
and
the
community
to
figure
out
what
that
means
exactly
I
think
the
emphasis
on
the
word
explore
there.
Koko's
motion
is
really
what
kind
of
satisfies
our
legal
standard
for
ensuring
that
we're
not
requiring
that
they
accommodate
public
access.
S
A
Right
so
we
have
an
amendment
and
we
actually
should
vote
on
this
one
since
the
original
motion
language
proposed,
striking
it
and
so
Commissioner
Conger.
Your
amendment
is
to
add
or
two
that
the
elevations
are
revised
so
that
they
are
built
per
the
plans
that
were
shown
at
tonight's
meeting
is
that
does
that
capture
what
we
I'm.
S
A
C
E
So
there's
four
colors
of
metal
panel,
although
one
as
you
can
see
second
down
on
the
right,
is
a
blend
of
three
colors,
which
is
one
of
the
materials
that's
proposed.
There
are
four
different
types
of
types
and
colors
of
concrete,
which
are
you
know
some
of
those
are
more
visible
than
others.
One
one
of
the
types
is
kind
of
a
budding
that
Ace
Hardware
that's
going
to
pretty
much
obscure
that
whole
portion
of
the
elevation.
E
There
are
two
types
of
cement,
a
ship's
panel,
although
you
can
see
that
the
one
of
those
the
top
material
in
the
middle
kind
of
has
its
own
color
variations
within
it
I
think
that
what
the
applicant
referenced
was
proposed
to
that
there
are
like
six.
If
you
exclude
the
color
changes,
so
stone
metal
panel,
cement,
resin,
precast,.
A
You
all
right
any
further
discussion
on
adding
back
in
condition
number
eight
with
some
substitute
language.
If
there's
none,
we
can
just
make
this
change
on
a
voice
vote,
so
all
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed
all
right.
So
one
opposed
so
that
motion
carries
to
replace
condition.
Number
eight
going
back
to
our
original
motion.
Is
there
any
further
discussion
so
again,
that
motion
is
to
strike
conditions
five
and
six
to
replace
the
language
in
condition
eight
and
to
add
a
fourteenth
condition
on
the
community
garden.
Commissioner
loopy
Peter
yeah.
C
I
am
I'm
a
little
bit
disinclined
to
vote
in
favor
only
because
I
think
it
seems
like
a
lot
of
different
materials
and
a
lot
of
different
colors
of
each
material
like
I
kind
of
feel
like
it
goes
against
our.
What
we've
historically
done
in
these
situations
and
I
get
some
other
reasoning
behind
it,
but
some
of
it
I
think
is
just
a
little
bit
extreme,
so
I
I
guess
I
would
have
preferred
to
maybe
not
strike
all
those
conditions,
so
I
hope.
We've
already
know
just
based
on
that
along
side.
A
Is
there
any
further
discussion
if
there's
not
I'll
just
mention
and
because
we
did
have
a
number
of
speakers
here
tonight
and
and
I
think
they've
provided
some
compelling
testimony
on
the
community
garden,
so
I
hope
that
all
of
you
really
understand
you
know
we've
added
in
this
condition,
although
we're
a
little
bit
limited
and
how
strongly
we
can
word
that
or
really
forth
the
applicant
to
provide
that.
But
we
certainly
do
want
to
encourage.
It
sounds
like
they're
interested
in
continuing
that
conversation,
so
I'm
optimistic
about
that
and
Commissioner
Lukey
Pierre.
Sorry.
C
I
did
want
to
and
I've
not
bode
know
because
of
the
proposed
condition,
14,
which
I
guess
would
be
numbered,
because
removing
the
other
ones
that
I
I
didn't
want
to
say
that
anyway,
I
found
your
testimony
very
compelling
and
I
do
think
that
well,
it
is
totally
within
their
rights
to
do
everything
wrong
because
they
own
the
land,
it's
some
private
property
and
we
can't
make
them
do
anything
with
it.
I
think
that
in
the
long
term,
if
if
they
were
really
you're,
gonna
put
your
tenants
a
residence.
C
Places
giving
it
a
sense
of
belonging
in
the
neighborhood
I
think
I
would
strongly
encourage
working
with
them.
I
mean
nothing,
makes
someone
want
to
stay
and
invest
in
a
community
like
feeling
like
they're
part
of
it.
So
I
just
want
to
say
that
I'm
not
feeling
separated,
I
think
it's
important,
so
I
would
just
want
to
echo
the
encouragement
to
work
with
them
on
something
I,
don't
know
what
it
looks
like,
but
I
hope
it's
successful
in
bringing
both
the
people
who
are
currently
there,
together
with
the
people
who
are
coming
in
alright.