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From YouTube: June 23, 2020 Heritage Preservation Commission
Description
Minneapolis Heritage Preservation Commission Meeting
https://lims.minneapolismn.gov/
B
Good
afternoon,
welcome
to
this
live
broadcast
of
our
virtual
meeting
of
the
June
23rd
2020
regular
meeting
of
the
Minneapolis
Heritage
Preservation
Commission.
This
meeting
includes
the
remote
participation
of
members
as
authorized
under
Minnesota
statutes,
section
13,
D
point
0
to
1
due
to
the
declared
local
health
pandemic
for
the
record,
my
name
is
Madeline
Sandberg
and
I
serve
as
chair
of
the
Minneapolis
Heritage
Preservation
Commission
I
will
now
call
this
meeting
to
order
and
asked
the
clerk
call
the
roll.
So
we
may
verify
the
presence
of
a
quorum.
B
B
B
Our
first
order
of
business
is
to
adopt
the
agenda
for
the
meeting.
We
will
work
from
those
agendas
that
are
available
online,
so
I
will
go
through
and
sort
out
the
items
on
the
agenda
and
determine
which
items
will
be
continued
to
a
future
meeting
which
items
will
be
discussed
and
which
items
we've
placed
on
the
consent
agenda
to
be
approved,
as
recommended
by
staff
about
further
discussion.
B
B
B
C
B
I'll
keep
going
with
the
agenda,
then
item
number
five:
the
Joyce
Memorial,
Methodist,
Church,
rehabilitation,
ward,
ten,
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
and
historic
variance
will
be
discussed.
Item
number
six,
the
Lyndhurst
residential
historic
district
request
for
extension
of
interim
protection
during
consideration
for
the
designation
as
a
local,
historic
district
and
ward.
Thirteen
will
be
discussed
and
item
number
seven,
the
Lyndhurst
residential
historic
district,
Ward
thirteen,
the
district
designation
will
be
discussed.
So
the
proposed
agenda
again
is
a
consent
agenda
of
the
garage
at
309.
Second
Avenue
South
again.
B
B
Ya,
thank
you.
Okay,
so
we
will
approve
the
consent
agenda
items
in
one
motion.
As
the
star
is
a
meeting
and
then
for
discussion.
We
have
item
number
five:
the
Joyce
Memorial
Methodist
Church
rehabilitation
item
number,
six,
the
Lyndhurst
residential
historic
district
request
for
extension,
brand
room
protection,
consideration
during
the
designation
as
a
local,
historic
district.
So
those
will
have
a
staff
presentation,
public
comment
and
Commission
discussion
and
action
and
then
item
seven.
The
Lyndhurst
residential
historic
district
designation
study
will
have
the
staff
presentation
commissioned
discussion
in
action.
F
D
C
B
B
You
the
minutes,
are
approved
so
before
I
open
the
public
hearing
portion
of
our
meeting.
Let
me
summarize
the
process
for
conducting
the
public
hearing
in
this
virtual
format.
The
process
will
be
as
follows:
will
first
act
on
the
consent
agenda
we
just
set
once
the
consent
agenda
is
approved,
the
Commission
is
done
with
those
items.
Applicants
may
contact
the
planning
staff
tomorrow
for
next
steps.
After
the
consent
agenda
items
are
approved,
we'll
take
each
remaining
agenda
item
in
order
the
first,
the
planning
staff
will
present
its
report.
B
When
commissioners
may
ask
questions
of
the
staff,
then
we'll
hear
from
the
applicant
and
commissioners
may
ask
questions
of
the
applicant
after
that.
I
will
open
the
public
hearing
and
we
will
invite
public
comment
will
pay
take
speakers
in
the
order
that
they
pre
registered
in
speakers
will
be
limited
to
three
minutes.
B
B
C
B
You
thank
you.
The
motion
passes
item
four,
the
garage
at
309,
second
Avenue
southward.
Nine-
is
approved,
as
recommended
by
staff
on
the
agenda.
The
applicant
for
that
item
may
contact
planning
staff
tomorrow
about
next
steps.
Our
first
item
for
discussion
is
item
number
five:
the
Joyce
Memorial
Methodist
Church
rehabilitation
award;
ten.
This
is
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
and
a
historic
variance.
The
staff
report
is
presented
by
Rob's
clucky.
I
Afternoon,
commissioners,
my
name
is
Rob's
kolecki
I'm,
a
city
planner
in
the
historic
preservations
section
of
Safed
today,
I'm
presenting
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
application
to
allow
for
the
exterior
rehabilitation
of
Joyce
Memorial
Methodist
Church,
looking
at
at
12:19
West,
31st
Street
and
the
historic
Marian's
application
to
allow
for
a
34
unit
and
multi-family
dwelling
on
an
our
to
be
parcel
at
the
subject.
Property
next
slide.
Please.
I
I
The
building
is
clad
in
stucco
and
features
characteristic,
clay,
tile,
hip
roof
segments,
mission-style,
parapets,
stair
and
bell
towers
and
deep
arch
entry
and
window
openings.
The
property
retains
good
exterior
integrity
and
the
interior
of
the
church
has
been
altered.
The
majority
of
the
building's
windows
are
not
historic,
yet
historic,
arch
windows
and
stained
glass
windows
are
prominent
on
north
and
west
elevations
openings
in
the
Bell
and
stair
tower,
as
well
as
other
window.
Openings
on
the
East
elevation
have
been
infill
and
do
not
reflect
the
original
historic
design.
Next
slide.
I
A
new
door
opening
will
be
placed
in
the
east
side
of
the
North
elevation
on
the
first
floor,
with
an
accessible
ramp
to
include
compatible
but
differentiated
wood,
paneled
door,
removal
of
certain
landscape
features
and
placement
of
new
vegetation
and
planted
near
the
north,
south
and
east
elevations
relocation
of
trash
pickup
and
a
wood
enclosure
to
be
placed
at
the
northeast
corner
of
the
East
elevation
alley.
Removal
of
non
historic,
the
non
historic
free-standing
stop
sign.
That's
at
the
northwest
corner
of
the
church
next
slide.
I
Please
all
historic
windows,
which
include
the
stained
glass
windows
on
the
character,
defining
arched
windows
will
be
retained
and
restored
if
needed.
All
non
historic
windows
are
to
be
replaced
with
fiberglass,
composite
windows
of
a
simplified,
compatible,
double
hung,
profile
or
casements
to
replace
non
historic,
casement
and
sliding
windows.
I
Scope
of
work
also
includes
the
removal
of
non
historic
infill
in
the
bell
and
stair
towers
and
the
installation
of
windows
in
those
openings
overall
13
new
window
openings
will
be
created
to
facilitate
the
reuse
of
the
building
as
residential
units
by
allowing
additional
daylight
into
those
units.
12
of
those
new
new
openings
are
proposed
on
secondary
south
and
east
elevations,
while
only
one
is
being
made
to
the
street
facing
west
elevation.
The
new
openings
are
to
be
simple
punch,
openings
without
sills,
which
will
allow
them
to
be
differentiated
from
the
historic
openings.
I
The
new
windows
will
the
fiberglass
composite
replacement
windows
for
the
non
historic
openings
as
well.
One
non
historic
door
on
the
East
elevation
will
be
replaced
with
a
fiberglass
composite
double
hung
window.
A
total
of
five
window
openings
on
the
secondary
East
and
South
elevations
will
be
in
filled
and
covered
with
matching
stucco.
And
lastly,
a
new
window
well
is
to
be
installed
on
the
west
elevation
and
includes
wrought
iron
railings
next
slide,
please.
I
The
alteration
is
consistent,
as
staff
finds,
with
the
applicable
recommendations
contained
in
the
Secretary
of
the
Interior
standards
for
the
treatment
of
historic
properties.
The
proposed
alterations
are
compatible
and
limit
in
scale
and
they
prioritized
retaining
and
repairing
existing
characteristic
features
of
the
church.
While
the
placement
of
new
window
openings
will
impact
the
building's
overall
integrity,
the
alterations
are
primarily
being
made
non
primary
elevations
and
include
compatible
placement
and
materials
that
are
differentiated
from
the
historic
and
they
utilized
simple
punch
openings.
I
This
the
proposed
changes
are
compatible
with
the
historic
architectural
character
of
the
joists
Memorial
Church.
The
building
will
retain
integrity
through
location,
setting,
feeling
and
Association
as
a
prominent
building
and
will
retain
its
historic
setting
in
a
low
to
medium
density,
residential
area,
with
a
clear,
visual
connection
to
its
historic
significance.
As
an
early
1900s
Corner
parcel
church
design
in
the
California
Commission
Revival
style,
the
church
is
going
to
be,
men
will
be.
I
Men
are
minimal
minimally
altered
on
primary
elevations
and
more
heavily
altered
on
on
primary
elevations
to
convert
the
building
into
its
new
use
as
a
multi-family
apartment.
Building
the
store,
the
historic
character
of
the
property
will
be
retained
and
the
character
defining
elements
will
be
minimally
affected
in
many
areas,
including
being
repaired
and
restored,
if
needed
through
visual
and
sample
evidence.
I
Staff
has
determined
that
the
proposed
fiberglass
composite
double-hung
windows
are
appropriate
for
the
new
openings,
given
that
they
will
not
greatly
impede
the
visual
or
architecture
identity
of
the
north
and
west
primary
elevations
and
the
composite
fiber
material
appears
in
a
matte
finished,
which
resembles
that
of
painted
sash
distinctive
architectural
features,
including
the
shaped
parapets
arch
window
openings
and
entries.
Universal
stubble,
stucco,
siding
clay,
tile,
roof,
stained,
glass,
windows
and
tower
spaces
will
be
retained
and
preserved
and
deteriorated
and
or
damaged
features
will
be
repaired.
I
Suppan
has
analyzed
the
historic
variance
application
to
allow
for
a
34
unit,
multi-family
dwelling
on
our
to
be
parcel
at
the
Joyce
Memorial
Methodist
Church,
based
on
the
following
findings.
The
variance
is
compatible
with
the
preservation
of
the
property
and
with
the
properties
in
the
area,
the
area's
load,
a
medium
density,
residential
location
with
the
Joyce
Memorial
Methodist
Church
parcel
currently
zoned
as
such.
I
For
our
to
be
a
two
family
district
to
facilitate
the
adaptive
reuse
of
the
church,
the
applicant
is
proposing
compatible
alterations
that
will
minimally
alter
the
overall
integrity
of
the
church,
retain
and
repair
key
character,
defining
features
and
allow
for
the
historic
building
to
continue
as
a
prominent
art,
prominent
architectural
landmark
to
be
used
by
tenants,
appreciated
by
neighbors
and
other
members
of
the
public
as
well.
The
allowance
of
more
dwelling
units
at
the
existing
building
has
no
tangible
effect
of
the
built
historic
character
of
the
surrounding
area.
I
The
area
is
composed
of
various
contemporary
and
historic
multifamily
dwellings.
Already
the
property
is
nearby
higher
density
transit,
centered
corridors
along
Lake
Street,
which
is
one
block
to
the
north
and
Hennepin
Avenue,
which
is
approximately
two
blocks
to
the
west.
The
variance
is
necessary
to
alleviate
practical
difficulties
due
to
special
conditions
or
circumstances
unique
to
the
property
and
not
created
by
the
applicant.
The
applicant
presents
information
that
suggests
that
historic
churches
are
often
difficult
to
feasibly
reuse
outside
of
religious
or
spiritual
context.
I
The
applicant
has
noted
that
the
property
owner
originally
attempted
to
and
area
organizations
or
nonprofits
that
might
want
to
move
into
part
of
the
interior
of
the
space
for
certain
community
purposes,
but
that
search
was
not
met
with
success.
The
proposed
variants
to
allow
for
a
multi-family
dwelling
in
the
churches
appropriate
in
the
situation
and
the
circumstances
unique
to
historic,
religious
buildings
of
this
size.
I
Staff
also
recommends
that
the
Heritage
Preservation
Commission
approves
the
historic
variance
to
allow
for
a
34
unit.
Multiple
family
dwelling
apartment
on
an
RVT
zone
parcel
with
that
I'm
available
for
any
questions
as
staff.
But
I
do
understand
that
the
applicant
is
here
as
well
as
other
members
of
the
public
who
would
like
to
speak.
Thank
you.
J
J
I
Sure
so,
from
from
I've,
been
working
with
another
city
planner.
Who
will
take
this
to
City
Planning
Commission
for
a
site
plan
review
from
what
I
understand,
so
there
may
be
an
opportunity
for
these
things
to
be
addressed
further
along
the
line.
I
have
been
working
in
tandem
with
another
planner
who
more
specifically
addresses
issues
that
would
fall
outside
of
the
Heritage
Preservation
Commission's
realm
of
this.
I
J
K
Yes,
good
afternoon,
commissioner,
this
with
me
and
Elliott,
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
okay,
so
my
name
is
Meegan
Elliot
with
new
history
and
with
me
on
the
same
conference
line.
I
have
Brian
Ferrill
with
Northland
real
estate
group,
as
well
as
Dean
devilÃs
and
Mick
Stoddard
with
DJ
architects,
and
we
will
together,
speak
on
behalf
of
the
applicant.
K
What
we,
what
we
plan
to
speak
to
I
will
speak
first.
This
is
vegan
I'll,
speak
to
how
we
got
here
and
why
we're
in
front
of
you
evening
to
speak
to
this
C
of
a
and
historic
variance,
and
then
next
I
will
pass
it
to
Brian
Ferrill
with
Northland
real
estate
group
and
he'll
speak
to
the
residential
youth
specifically,
and
why
that's
proposed,
and
then
we
will
conclude
with
PJ
our
architects
speaking
to
the
condition
that
was
supposed
by
staff
so
before
before
I
go
further.
Let
me
just
do
a
sound
check
here.
K
K
Our
original,
the
original
discussion
we
had
around
the
site
was
for
a
demolition
of
the
church,
with
proposals
for
new
construction
on
the
site.
If
those
of
you
who
know
us
in
your
history
know
that
was
probably
the
wrong
people
to
ask
for
help
with
a
demolition
of
a
church,
so
we
work
with
with
some
thanks.
K
So
what
that
meant
was
Brian
Ferrill
took
it
upon
himself
to
nominate
the
church,
and
then
we,
a
new
history,
worked
with
Brian
and
staff
to
do
the
designation
study.
The
designation
study
was
completed
and
formally
approved,
I
believe
in
May
this
year.
It
was
supported
by
the
Commission,
of
course,
by
our
State
Historic
Preservation
Office
and
city
staff,
concurrent
with
that,
we
worked
with
djr
and
their
architectural
team
to
develop
a
design
for
the
multifamily
use
that
was
compatible
with
the
historic
building
and
would
meet
the
Secretary
of
the
Interior
standards.
K
So
I'll
just
conclude
my
part
by
saying
that
what
I
really
appreciate
about
this
project
is
that
we've
we
found
a
way
to
reuse
this
church
we've
found
a
way
to
leverage
the
preservation
ordinance
that
we
have
here
in
Minneapolis
to
do
what
it's
supposed
to
do,
which
is
to
keep
as
many
of
our
historic
buildings
in
use
and
we're
delighted
that
we
could
find
a
pathway
for
this
project.
So
with
that
I'm
going
to
pass
it
to
to
Brian
to
speak
about
the
use
that
was
selected.
L
Hello
thanks
for
your
time
today,
this
is
brian
ferrill,
president
of
Northland
real
estate
group,
thanks
medium
for
the
introduction
in
the
background,
I'll
try
and
keep
this
short
and
sweet
our
goal.
Our
mission
here
is
to
revitalize
and
reactivate
the
significant
piece
of
historic
architecture,
with
a
sustainable
and
emphasis
on
sustainable
economic
use,
while
providing
unique
living
options
for
local
residents
at
approachable,
entry-level
price
points.
So
I
know
that's
that's
a
mouthful,
but
that
truly
is
our
intrinsic
mission.
L
Unfortunately,
we're
seeing
similar
fates
to
a
lot
of
churches
and
congregations
that
we
have
come
across
I
believe
this
is
our
fifth
or
sixth
project,
either
in
cooperation
with
the
church
or
congregation
or
to
help
them
exit
smoothly
from
their
positions.
You
know,
as
attendance
continues
to
dwindle
even
prior
to
covet
pandemic.
L
There
are
four
significant
structures
we've
taken
upon
ourselves
to
try
and
try
and
save
them
try
and
revitalize
them.
Now
we
have
we
have
a
history
of
doing
this
and
we
have
found
that
housing
has
proven
to
be
the
most
sustainable
path
forward.
We
looked
at
office,
we
looked
at
retail
and
we
had
positions
prior
to
some
of
the
local
or
some
of
the
more
recent
events
that
had
been
struggling.
So
we've
seen,
housing
continue
to
remain
strong.
L
We
see
it
as
a
viable
use,
a
viable
way
to
reactivate
structures
that
we
feel
are
are
worth
preserving,
and
this
is
one
of
them.
We
recently
completed
a
similar
project
in
Lower
Town,
st.
Paul
called
the
Commission
house
right
next
to
the
farmers
market.
In
the
st.
Paul
Saints
Stadium,
we
were
able
to
put
in
twenty
six
apartment
units
about
15,000
feet
of
retail,
on
the
ground
floor
and
a
little
pad
on
our
back.
We
were
just
nominated
by
financing
commerce
for
2019
project
to
the
year
for
that
historic
redevelopment.
L
So
this
is
a
very
similar
sized
project
and
we've
proven
that
we
can
do
it
and
we
create
a
unique
product
that,
even
though
it's
new
and
revitalized,
the
price
points
by
design
are
approachable
for
our
target
user,
which
is
the
local
service
staff,
employees
and
residents
that
live
work
in
the
area
and
can
walk
to
their
places
of
employment.
In
order
for
this
project
to
remain
economically
viable,
we
had
to
achieve
at
least
this
level
of
of
units
that
that's
currently
proposed
in
front
of
you
as
those
units.
L
If
they
were
to
get
taken
away,
the
ability
for
us
to
have
a
viable
project
goes
away,
let
alone
the
price
points
are
not
approachable
anymore.
So
this
is
all
a
function
of
design
and
kind
of
backing
into
the
target
market
that
we
want
to
appeal
to,
and
the
price
points
that
we
want
to
present
to
them.
We're
very
excited
about
project
very
excited
to
reinvigorate
this
beautiful
piece
of
history
and
create
new
unique
living
options
for
the
local
residents.
I'll
pass
it
over
to
Dean
Duvall
us
from
DJ
our.
M
Committee
commissioners,
a
good
afternoon,
thank
you
for
hearing
us
Meegan
and
Brian
gin,
excellent
description,
so
I
will
not
repeat
what
they
said,
because
I
think
they
cover
the
project
well,
I'm,
going
to
simply
say
as
we're
proud
to
be
involved
with
it,
and
that
we
are
very
comfortable
with
the
four
conditions
that
have
been
outlined
and
we'll
work
with
them
and
they
make
this
project
successful.
So
thank
you
very
much.
K
H
Lauren
Brian,
thank
you.
I
didn't
catch
the
general
class
gentleman
who
spoke,
but
thank
you
during
the
static
report.
It
was
alluded
that
the
applicant
reached
out
to
other
organizations
in
the
community
for
to
use
the
church
for
different
means
or
a
different
use
other
than
housing.
Could
you
guys
expound
upon
that
in
a
little
more
detail.
L
L
We
have
a
lot
of
content
context
and
in
the
retail
world
and
I
reached
out
to
a
handful
of
local
prominent
brokers
and
who
they
were
representing,
got
their
ideas
reached
out
to
those
individuals
they
reached
out
to
their
clients.
We
had
everyone
from
daycare
opportunities
and
the
current
configuration
the
lack
of
outdoor
space
and
what
would
need
to
happen
inside
the
structure.
It
was
not
feasible,
it
would
had
to
have
been
demolished
of
house
a
daycare
that
was
out.
We
had
an
exciting
opportunity
targeting
a
youth
choir
and
singing
organization.
L
That
was
a
nonprofit
organization
and
we
thought
we
well.
We
were
hopeful
that
that
we'd
have
a
lead
with
that
they
pivoted
and
renewed
their
lease
and
their
existing
location.
We,
let's
see
I,
toured
a
chef
I
think
his
name
was
the
sous
chef.
The
great
guy
had
a
great
conversation
with
them.
They
pivoted
and
did
not
choose
to
move
forward
with
our
location.
So
we
just
kept
trying.
L
We
toured
architectural
firms,
creative
office
firms
and,
at
that
point
we
ran
out
of
time
and
we
consistently
were
met
with
the
same
message
that
the
space
was
not
feasible
for
them
and
or
didn't
meet
their
needs.
So
that's
why
we
pursued
multifamily
housing,
which
has
puts
it
back
in
our
control
and
has
proven
to
be
a
sustainable
reuse.
L
That
survives
over
time,
because,
to
be
honest,
even
if
we
would
have
gone
with
some
of
those
uses,
we'd
be
in
a
very
tough
position
now
and
we
stand
by
our
our
mission
to
truly
economically
and
continually
revitalize
this
I.
Don't
want
to
be
in
the
same
situation
a
year
from
now
hopeful
on
the
stars
aligning
and
housing
has
been
that
that
path
for
us.
N
Do
thank
you
a
couple
questions.
First,
I
want
to
confirm
that
no
tax
credits
are
being
sought
for
this
project
and
I'm
curious
as
to
your
reasoning,
on
I'm
not
going
forward
with
that
and
I
have
a
question:
architectural
II
about
the
architectural
design
and
I'm.
Looking
at
my
plans,
there's
a
on
the
South
elevation.
You
are
showing
a
two-story
window
up
on
the
second
floor
and
it
reaches
up
over
the
third
floor
level.
N
K
K
Respect
to
historic
tax
credits-
and
you
are
correct
and
I
can
confirm
that
the
project
will
not
be
certified
for
historic
tax
credits.
The
primary
reason,
for
that
is
time.
The
building
is,
as
you
know,
we
we
nominated
it
for
local,
landmark
designation,
but
it
is
not
currently
listed
on
the
National
Register
at
the
time
that
we
needed
to
complete
a
part
one
in
advance
of
moving
forward
with
the
design
review.
K
The
part
two
we
couldn't
make
that
work
out
with
the
desired
construction
start
an
opening
date
for
the
project
we
we
think
it
has,
it
could
have
had.
We
don't
know
a
shot
at
the
National
Register.
We,
of
course
didn't
pursue
a
part
one
to
confirm
that,
and
we
also
think
that
the
proposed
use
would
be
compatible.
However,
the
decision
was
made
that
a
faster
or
a
project
that
could
meet
the
timing
was
more
desirable
as
to
a
historic
tax
credit
certification,
especially
for
positiveness
of
this
financial
size
and.
P
C
H
H
A
Q
N
Okay,
I
think
it's
safe
to
speak,
but
maybe
I'm
leaving
a
message
for
me
again
so
I'm.
The
second
story
on
the
South
elevation
you're,
showing
two
story
windows.
They
extend
from
the
second
floor
about
two
and
a
half
feet
up
all
the
way
up
through
the
third
floor,
and
it
says
new
two-story
window
see
plan
for
location
and,
if
I'm
reading
the
plans
right
and
it's
hard
because
I'm
at
an
iPad.
N
B
R
M
Father
committed
so
the
two-story
windows
that,
on
the
south
side
of
the
building,
the
reason
why
those
are
that
portion
those
units
are
vaulted
into
taller
windows
and
that's
the
side
of
the
building
that
abuts
the
adjoining
house
in
that
location
and
on
the
west
side
of
the
building
there
not
be
visible,
will
not
be
installed
so
they're
strictly
on
the
west
facade
for
self.
Beside
my
project,
South
facade,
which
is
adjacent
to
the
adjoining
single-family
home.
M
N
J
M
M
We
finally
came
with
a
combination
that
maximized
preservation
of
the
exterior
windows
to
keep
the
parts
of
integrity
in
minimize
new
openings,
which
really
pushed
towards
the
south
side
of
the
building,
which
is
really
the
invisible
walls.
So
that
is
be
what
Harriet
was
through
this
process
so
yeah
it
was
unusual.
I
think
we
came
with
a
solution
that
really
answers
both
camps.
Make
you
a
portable
call,
a
housing
but
preserving
the
integrity
of
the
church.
B
I
think
I'm
just
having
gone
through
the
questions
and
comments
that
have
come
in
from
the
public
I
wondered
if
you
could
speak
briefly
on
what
sort
of
price
point
these
units
are.
I
know
it's
sort
of
out
of
our
realm,
but
I
think
we're
gonna
get
comments
on
it.
So
our
what
is
the
sort
of
affordability
of
these
sort
of
smaller
studio
and
one-bedroom
units
yeah.
L
This
is
Brian
Ferrill,
unfortunately,
I'm
not
going
to
be
able
to
speak
to
direct
price
points
as
that's
a
function
of
the
overall
project
cost
and
until
we
get
approval
and
construction
drawings
finalized
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
nail
those
down.
However,
these
are
I
hesitate
on
using
the
Florida
wall.
We
like
to
use
the
term
entry
level
or
approachable
price
points
and
they're
by
design.
L
So
one
it's
the
number
of
units
that
we
can
spread
the
call
it
intrinsic
honking
cost
of
the
structure
of
a
lot
of
the
service
and
support
systems
across
and
more
units
we
can
get
in
there
more
approachable.
Those
price
points
can
be.
The
other
is
a
function
of
the
size
and
utilization
of
this
space,
and
that's
why
we
tried
to
take
advantage
of
a
lot
of
the
three-dimensional
aspects
of
these
spaces.
L
Real
estate
traditionally
has
looked
at,
especially
when
you
rent
from
a
two-dimensional
perspective,
but
we
tried
to
incorporate
as
many
lofted
units
as
possible
or
you
can
have
functional
living
space
with
a
lofted
sleeping
area
to
best
utilize.
This,
as
it
truly
is
not
just
a
two-dimensional
square
box.
L
A
good
question
this
is
actually
by
design.
We
are
the
project
that
I
referenced
in
Lower
Town
st.
Paul.
We
had
zero
parking,
which
we
needed
a
variance
from
and
we're
full.
So
these
are
folks
that
are
living
working
and
our
target
market
we're
seeing
trends
away
from
car
ownership,
and
we
feel
this
aligns
with
you
know
what
we
feel
is
then
the
plan,
the
2040
plan
going
forward
and
our
target
market
aligns
perfectly
with
that.
But
it
has
to
be
an
eccentric
location
where
these
amenities
and
public
transportation
are
walkable,
which
this
is
and.
M
This
is
the
devoted
and
we're
located
right
next
to
the
largest
parking
facility
in
the
area.
That's
a
public
parking
ramp
and
we're
working
and
other
projects
are
making
use
of
public
parking
facilities,
and
so
the
idea
that
someone
has
to
have
a
car
that
is
available
within
the
ramp
structure,
which
is
just
across
the
street
from
the
site
in.
F
Yes,
I
do
on
South
elevation.
There
are
a
couple
of
window
openings
that
you're
planning
on
in
filling
and
it
says
to
be
in
filled
with
exterior
walls.
Stucco
finish
to
match
exist.
Ding.
There
is
right
now
kind
of
a
profile
of
the
sill
that
sticks
out.
Would
that
be
removed
or
would
there
be
some
sort
of
like
profile
edge
to
kind
of
illustrate
where
that
opening
was
originally.
M
The
infill
back
and
left
the
signature
of
the
infill
windows.
They
know
the
history,
what
it
was
and
we
infill
the
window
like
two
inches
back
leave
the
cell,
and
so
you
know
that
that
was
an
alteration
made
to
start
building.
That
is
obviously
you
alliterate
the
window.
A
preference
would
be
to
leave
distinction
little
there
in
fill
it
two
inches
back
with
the
same
stucco
finish
so
that
you
know
that
just
filling
the
live,
active
and
some
alterations
have
been
made
and
leave
that
signature
behind.
B
So
I
will
now
open
the
public
hearing
for
other
comments.
I
believe
the
first
person
in
the
queue
is
Maxine
Ellis,
oh
and
just
a
reminder:
we're
gonna
have
three
minutes
per
person,
I'm
going
to
be
running
a
timer.
On
my
end,
if
you
could
just
keep
your
comments
to
the
application
and
Maxine,
if
you
could
press
star
six.
S
Thank
you.
Okay.
Yes
thank
you,
I'm
a
cellist,
I'm
on
34:15,
Emerson,
Avenue,
south
south
of
town
with
ovations
president,
and
we
did
send
a
letter
of
support
for
the
preservation,
restoration
of
Joyce
Memorial
Church,
the
capacity
passed
day
this
month
of
the
specifics
for
the
certificate
of
appropriateness,
although
preservation
and
the
structured
affordable
that
entry
level
are
approachable
but
affordable
housing
in
our
community.
S
In
our
neighborhoods
and
whole
day,
you
can
see
if
it's
a
two-story,
if
it's
a
to
vote,
I'm
unaware,
if
it's
to
preserve
it
and
with
the
appropriateness,
that's
two
votes
or
if
it's
all
in
one
I
know
that
moving
forward,
if
it
is
deemed
to
preserve
it,
that
we
will
be
able
to
make
our
voices
known
further,
because
I
know
that
the
immediate
neighbors
in
that
neighborhood
are
going
to
be
speaking
also
on
their
behalf
and
the
entire
neighborhood.
Also
don't
please
consider
the
the.
B
T
This
was
my
code:
oh
I
live
at
the
Cielo
family,
that's
directly
adjacent
to
the
cell
of
the
subject.
Property
I
just
have
some
comments
and
maybe
a
question
or
two,
but
my
comments
are
those
first,
when
Brian
and
I
met
back
in
2018
and
had
multiple
discussions
through
2019
I
was
never
given
any
notice
that
that
he
was
having
difficulties
with
finding
an
appropriate
retail
or
commercial
partner.
T
If
you
are
thinking
that
you
are
going
to
support
it
so
that
you
can
get
a
chance
to
come
by
and
see
the
property
site,
I'd
love
to
walk
you
around
and
really
point
out
some
of
the
the
challenges
that
this
property
will
have
with
34
units
I'm
not
going
to
rehash
the
letter
that
I
sent
cuz
I'm
limited
at
a
time.
But
I
will
note
that
parking
is
a
major
concern.
T
The
last
couple
of
comments,
I
have
is
one
question
is
on
the
tax
credits.
Not
seeking
tax
credits.
Is
that
permanent,
or
is
that
something
that
can
be
sought
down
the
road
while
we
keep
hearing
about
affordable
housing?
There
is
nothing
that's
been
said
today
that
suggests
that
this
project
will
have
affordable
housing
and
I
have
concerns
that
it
will
not
actually
have
affordable
housing
that
it
will
be
retail
in
cost.
T
If
you
read
recently
in
the
Star
Tribune
this
week
about
another
micro
unit,
development
in
Uptown
and
concerns
of
pandemic,
and
in
that
in
that
article,
the
the
woman
that
was
interviewed
in
that
town,
just
250
square
feet
and
pays
twelve
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
a
month.
So
if
that's
the
metric
of
affordable
I
would
be
concerned
on
that,
I'm,
not
sure
if
I'm
coming
close
on
time,
I
just
have
a
few
more
comments.
T
I'm
really
concerned
about
the
exposure
of
all
the
windows
on
the
South
elevation
I'm
very
concerned
about
the
placement
of
the
garbage.
I
can
tell
you
that
I
owned
a
condo
and
a
thirty
four
unit
building
it
produces
an
enormous
amount
of
trash
in
recycling.
I
think
that
the
garbage
should
be
stored
in
interior
and
not
exterior.
T
And
then
I
just
want
to
comment
I
guess
last
week
or
two
things
one.
It
would
call
your
attention
to
the
neighborhood
map
that
I
produced
you
have
over
seventy
percent
agreement
to
deny
those
variance
from
the
neighborhood
I'll
just
point
out
in
today's
day
and
age.
You
can't
get
seventy
people
to
decide
on
on
anything
and
if
I
have
a
few
more
days,
I
believe
like
that
ninety-five
percent.
T
Acceptance
to
deny
the
the
variance
I
guess
with
with
that
the
last
thing
the
practical
difficulties
I
would
I
would
say
that
the
practical
difficulties
were
caused,
or
at
least
were
known
ahead
of
time
even
prior
to
purchasing
of
the
property
by
Brian
I
myself.
The
first
time
I
met
Brian
had
lengthy
discussions
about
what
needed
to
be
done
for
the
church
as
far
as
repairs,
how
other
contractors
had
been
out
and
other
developers
had
known
regarding
the
cost
and
amount
to
repair
the
church.
T
B
B
U
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
For
the
time
I'll
introduce
myself.
My
name
is
Robert
Sam
Nelson
I'm,
the
neighbor
on
the
other
side
of
the
property
at
450
and
West
31st
Street
a
little
bit
of
background
on
myself.
We've
lived
at
the
home
for
20
years.
We
spent
in
south
Minneapolis
over
30
years.
I
actually
came
to
the
Twin
Cities
to
study
architecture
and
worked
for
a
decade
in
affordable
housing
and
economic
development
in
Minneapolis
and
the
west
side
of
st.
Paul.
U
It
was
reassuring
to
hear
the
the
goals
of
the
applicants
have
been
talking
about
sustainable
development,
a
unique
diverse
set
of
housing
options
available
and
approachable
entry
points,
I
think
those
are
core
principles.
I
share,
I,
think
they're
key
to
making
the
city
vibrant
it's
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
choose
to
live
here.
My
comments
are
in
general
recognized
and
those
are
those
are
beneficial
attributes,
but
but
some
concerns
I
have
around
the
sustainability
really
from
an
economic
and
long-term
sustainability.
U
There's
a
shared
lounge
for
the
residents
to
build
a
sense
of
community
around
events
for
having
social
dance,
there's
exercise
rooms,
there's
some
off
street
parking,
recognized
and
there's
a
lot
of
blocking,
but
then,
as
more
significant
attribution
of
bike
parking
space,
rooftop,
decks.
I.
Think
all
of
those
things
are
what
makes
that
community
nest
or
Preservation
Committee
is
looking
at
the
integrity
or
the
original
intent.
The
role
of
that
building
played
in
the
neighborhood
the
church
was
a
community.
U
The
space
has
laid
out
sacrifices
the
use
of
design
to
create
community
amongst
the
residents
there,
as
well
as
the
neighbors
who
are
able
to
connect
them
and
get
to
know
those
tenants.
I
think
that's
that's
one
place
where
fall
short,
so
in
terms
of
that
design
and
sustainability
I,
like
maybe
the
first
color
and
I
support
the
redevelopment
of
the
building.
It's
a
great
neighborhood
I
support
diversity
of
Housing
and
the
concentration
I.
Think.
U
However,
too
many
trade
offs
have
been
made
in
that
regard,
including
far
too
high
of
a
density
to
work
without
those
amenities
and
would
be
at
risk
economically.
A
little
bit
of
time
left
there
just
be
two
other
items
that
I
would
tag
on,
may
be
more
specific.
One
would
be
as
the
direct
neighbor
as
the
first
as
my
convention
about
the
generation
of
waste.
34
units
generates
a
lot
of
waste,
it's
less
than
20
feet
from
the
primary
sidewalk
that
everybody
in
the
neighborhood
uses
and
less
than
20
feet
from
my
open
front.
U
Porch,
which
again
is
one
of
the
things
of
a
dense
urban
thing
is
inviting
people
to
sit
outside
and
I.
Don't
want
to
sit
outside
15
feet
away
from
34
people's
garbage
and
then
last.
Just
very
briefly.
I
would
ask
that
the
applicant
reconsider
the
use
of
Calhoun
in
the
titling,
particularly
that
names
losing
context
or
identification
in
the
neighborhood,
even
with
kohu
square,
looking
to
read
about
their
name.
So
without
appreciate
the
time
the
community.
I
B
P
P
B
B
N
N
N
The
window
additions
are
problematic
because
they
are
visible
from
the
public
right
away.
They
are
in
the
so
called
back
of
the
building
that
facade
was
called
secondary
in
the
application
before
us,
I
think
in
our
original
designation
it
was
deemed
a
tertiary
facade,
but
one
of
the
the
main
character
defining
features
of
Mission
Revival
styling
is
that
solidity
of
the
wall,
the
heaviness
of
the
stucco,
with
very
few
openings
and
we're
adding
quite
a
few
windows
that
are
going
to
be
visible
from
the
right
away.
That
two-story
window
eye
is
very
problematic.
N
For
me,
it
design-wise
because
it
is
visible.
I
would
like
to
see
that
minimized.
The
new
windows
of
that
arm,
the
South
facade,
are
practically
paired
and
there
really
isn't
any
other
examples
of
that
on
the
building
on
that
facade
at
least
so.
I
guess
I
would
be
more
supportive
of
this
if
there
were
fewer
windows
being
added
to
the
south
and
if,
if
they
were
less
visible
from
from
the
public
right
away,
but
I'm
I
am
kind
of
going
back
and
forth
on
it.
J
J
You
know
it's
it's
a
pretty
challenging,
reuse
and
reusing.
These
buildings
is
challenging
and
I
think
they've
done
overall,
a
good
job.
It
looks
quite
pleasant
and
appealing
and
I
when
I
look
at
all
that
damage
to
this
stucco
I.
It
makes
me
feel
very
positive
that
this
now
vacant
building
could
be
repaired.
J
I
think
there
are
some
serious
site
plan
issues
that
I
expect
the
City
Planning
Commission
will
need
to
deal
with,
but
those
aren't
our
issues
and
just
from
a
sense
of
having
this
building,
as
still
as
part
of
the
community
and
preserved
in
a
way
that
overall
preserves
its
integrity.
I
think
is
a
plus.
B
N
Yeah
I
just
want
to
clarify
that
we
are
bound
by
the
Secretary
of
Interior
standards.
We
just
because
this
isn't
a
tax
credit
project
doesn't
mean
that
we
don't
follow
those
that's
what
we
follow
as
a
commission.
They
aren't
just
for
tax
credit
projects;
they
aren't
just
for
National
Register
projects.
That
is
what
we
are
bound
to
in
lieu
of
having
design
guidelines
for
historic
property.
So
that
is
all
we
have
to
go
by
is
the
Secretary
of
Interior
standards,
and
that's
where
my
concern
is.
H
H
H
I
guess
my
fear
of
what
I
don't
want
to
see
is:
is
the
the
church
fall
into
disrepair
it's
vacant
right
now?
I
think
it
would
be
a
shame
not
to
to
let
this
church
fall
into
disrepair,
and
you
know
a
lot
of
the
site
plan
issues,
I,
think
Commissioner,
Mac
or
somebody
already
kind
of
said.
You
know
that's
really
up
for
the
City
Planning
Commission
to
to
feel
those
types
of
issues.
H
B
G
Was
going
to
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
the
allow,
the
exterior
rehabilitation
of
Joyce,
Memorial,
Methodist
Church,
subject
to
the
following
conditions
in
our
agenda
and
also
a
motion
to
approve
the
historic
variance
to
a
34
unit.
Multiple
family
dwelling
apartment
on
an
are
to
be
zoned
parcel.
B
E
Just
want
to
mention
that
I
think
I
am
generally
in
support
of
this
project.
I
agree
with
other
commissioners
who
have
been
saying
that
you
know
we
still
do
need
to
consider
the
Secretary
of
Interior
standards
and
I.
Think
I
would
prefer
to
see
this
project
stick
as
closely
as
possible
to
those
standards,
but
I
also
do
want
to
keep
in
consideration
that
the
current
design,
by
allowing
34
units
I
think,
does
probably
maximize
affordability
for
that.
E
B
The
applicant
did
bring
up
the
question
of
the
areas
where
they're
in
filling
existing
window
openings
and
I
didn't
know.
If
any
commissioners
had
any
opinions
on
that
and
whether
or
not
we
needed
to
add
a
condition
about
that,
if
people
felt
strongly
that
those
in
bills
should
be
recessed
to
show
where
the
existing,
what
those
openings
are,
if
they
should
be
flush
with
the
existing
or
if
we
don't
really
feel
like,
we
need
to
express
an
opinion
officially
on
that
matter.
Did
anybody
have
any
thoughts
on
that
question.
F
So
I
was
kind
of
trying
to
draft
official
amendment
to
ian's
proposal.
I
I
would
like
to
make
two
friendly
amendments,
and
one
is
that
those
windows
that
are
being
removed
and
infield
that
there
is
a
recess
there
and
so
that
those
continue
to
be
expressed
mostly
because
I'd
like
to
see
the
preservation
of
the
sill
can
a
protrusion
that
is
there.
Existing
and
I
want
to
preserve
as
much
of
that
material
as
possible
and
I
think
that
that
would
look
funny
without
the
window
expressed
that
that
to
recess.
F
So
I
would
like
to
add
that
as
friendly
amendment
and
then
I
would
also
like
to
add
a
friendly
amendment
that
the
two-story
windows,
instead
of
doing
the
two-story
window,
I,
would
like
to
see
that
it's
one
storey
window
that
is
in
keeping
and
there
could
be
two
I
understand
that
there's
an
upper
level
to
those
units,
so
they
would
be
two
separate
punched
window
openings.
Those
would
be
my
amendments.
H
B
H
B
V
B
H
H
G
G
B
Conditions
of
having
the
window
until
recessed
and
having
the
two-story
windows
broken
up
into
two
one-story
windows.
Is
there
any
additional
commissioner
discussion
on
that
motion
that
would
also
include
the
stark
variance
well.
Do
we
have
to
make
two
separate
motions
and
there's
a
question
for
Andrea
Burke?
Do
we
need
to
make
two
separate
motions
or
can
the
surface
for
the
appropriateness
and
store
experience,
be
one
motion
I.
B
Don't
see
any
I
want
to
again
thank
everybody
who
called
in
to
give
public
comments
and
encourage
you
to
stay
involved
in
the
process,
because
this
will
move
forward.
I
imagined
a
Planning
Commission
where
they
can
address
issues
like
parking
and
bicycles
and
things
it
better
than
we
can
and
we
look
forward
to
seeing
this
project
move
forward
and
this
building
get
rehabilitated.
C
D
B
V
Cr8
good
evening,
everyone
I
am
Andrea
Burke
and
I
am
the
supervisor
for
the
historic
preservation
team
and
see
ped
and
I
am
presenting
tonight
on
the
Lyndhurst
residential
historic
district.
The
following
up
on
the
HP
C's
request
from
the
June
9th
meeting
to
extend
interim
protection
next
slide.
Please.
V
On
July
30th
2019,
this
is
some
background.
The
HPC
placed
a
portion
of
the
East
Harry
at
Lyndhurst
neighborhoods
under
inter
protection
as
a
potential
historic
district.
After
denying
the
demolition
of
a
property
at
4632,
Emerson
Avenue
South,
the
designation
study
was
completed
by
new
history
and
February
of
2020
and
recommends
that
66
out
of
216
properties
are
eligible.
V
Association
has
previously
held
three
community
meetings
with
residents,
ranging
in
topics
for
what
it
means
to
be
locally
designated
the
application
process
and
what
historic
design
guidelines
may
look
like
most
of
the
public
testimony
On
June
9th
did
not
support
designation
with
a
few
residents
stating
that
drafting
design
guidelines
may
help
them
understand,
designation,
better
and
others
requesting
more
time
to
make
this
decision
with
some
suggesting
that
it
is
tabled
indefinitely.
Next
slide,
please,
on
June
12th
Seip
had
reached
out
to
proprio
nose
via
email
whose
email
addresses
we
had
asking
them.
V
Two
questions,
one
with
developing
design
guidelines
help
you
understand
this
designation
better
and
two.
Would
it
change
your
mind
on
the
designation
out
of
24
responses?
You'll
see
that
the
majority
of
answers
were
no.
This
is
not
an
unusual
response
for
property
owners
facing
historic
nation
under
the
ordinance
the
East
BCH
pcs
decision
on
designation
is
only
advisory,
meaning
it
is
not
final.
The
City
Council
gets
the
final
decision
and
can
wait
and
can
vote
for
or
against
designation
generally,
regardless
of
what
the
HPC
decides
it
happens.
V
Internal
protection
can
be
extended
for
up
to
an
additional
six
months,
which
would
mean,
if
we
extended
this,
it
would
go
until
January
30th
2021
enduring
protection
is
essentially
a
designation
test
run
for
properties
under
consideration
for
a
local,
historic
designation
in
evaluating
whether
extending
interim
protection
for
another
six
months
would
be
beneficial.
In
this
case,
sheephead
outlined
steps.
It
would
take
for
additional
public
outreach,
one
Lyndhurst
Neighborhood
Association
meetings.
We
would
hold
in
coordination
with
an
Neighborhood
Association
to
revisit
and
flesh
out
the
topics
already
discussed
in
previous
meetings.
V
V
Please
note
that
you
properly
draft
revise,
negotiate
and
finalize
design
guidelines,
while
working
with
the
community
generally
takes
about
a
year
given
seedbeds
other
workload
under
this
timeline,
C
would
would
have
two
months
or
less
in
order
to
make
deadlines
for
a
State,
Historic
Preservation
Office
submittal
of
the
design
guidelines
which
were
required
to
do
for
the
ordinance
and
noticing
requirements
for
the
next
HPC
meeting
before
January
30th
2021
next
slide.
Please.
V
Therefore,
there
are
two
options
before
you
tonight
option
one
which
is
on
the
left
side.
Hpc
decides
to
extend
interim
protection
until
January
30th
2021,
assuming
there
is
no
appeal
of
this
decision.
The
interim
protection
for
the
remainder
of
the
150
property
owners
outside
the
district
boundaries
doesn't
get
lifted
into
July,
31st
2020
the
end
of
next
month,
when
it
runs
out.
Cpad
has
two
months
or
less
to
draft
design.
V
Guideline
Dominika
December,
15th,
2028,
specie
hearing
date
to
decide
the
district
designation
decision
again
before
the
new
interim
protection
deadline
on
January,
30th
2021
or
option
2
on
the
right
side.
Yes,
HPC
has
not
decided
not
to
extend
interim
protection
and
decides
tonight
whether
to
recommend
designation
or
not
to
the
City
Council
granted.
This
is
in
the
next
item.
After
deciding
whether
or
not
to
extend
and
her
protection.
V
Assuming
no
appeal
on
the
interim
protection
decision,
the
city
council
decides
whether
Lyndhurst
will
be
designated
on
July
31st
2020
at
the
end
of
next
month,
if
approved
at
council's
tipet,
would
work
with
residents
to
develop
design
guidelines
and
in
term
protection
gets
removed
for
the
150
properties
outside
the
district
boundaries,
if
not
approved
a
council
in
tower,
protection
is
removed
for
all
properties.
All
demolitions
going
forward
from
this
point,
will
be
approved
until
in
property
unless
a
property
meets
the
criteria
for
individual
landmark.
Designation
next
slide.
V
As
such,
see
pet
has
made
the
following
findings:
number
one:
the
proposed
resident
hers
residential
historic
district
consists
of
66
properties,
which,
in
turn
and
eligible
for
local
designation
as
a
historic
district
under
criteria.
Three
four
and
five
with
acts
on
historic
integrity.
Only
one
property
is
recommended,
as
not
contributing
out
of
the
66
number
to
see.
Fetuses
submitted
the
designation
study
prepared
by
new
history
to
the
State
Historic
Preservation
Office
and
the
City
Planning
Commission,
and
both
commented
in
support
of
local
designation
number.
V
Three
interim
protection
has
been
in
effect
since
July
30th
2019
and
will
expire
on
July
30th
2020
on
June
9th.
The
hpc
voted
to
continue
the
designation
decision,
one
cycle
and
directed
staff
to
request
an
extension
on
interim
protection
for
the
sixty-six
properties.
Only
within
the
district
boundaries
number
four,
the
H
pcs
decision
on
the
district
designation
is
advisory.
The
City
Council
makes
the
final
decision
number
five.
V
The
internal
protection
is
extended
until
January
thirtieth
2021
see
that
staff
would
approximately
have
two
months
to
conduct
additional
public
outreach
to
draft
and
finalized
design
guidelines
in
order
to
reach
a
final
council
decision
by
January
30th
2021,
two
more
I
promise
number
six
from
comments
received.
The
public
sentiment
regarding
an
extension
is
largely
negative,
with
property
understanding
that
design
guidelines
will
not
help
them
understand
designation.
What
nor
will
it
change
their
minds?
V
A
few
property
owners
have
commented
and
stated
that
drafting
design
guidelines
may
help
them
understand
designation,
better,
but
they're,
not
sure
if
it
would
change
their
minds
and
number
seven
paths
case.
History
and
Minneapolis
has
shown
that
extending
interim
protection
generally
does
not
the
outcome
of
the
designation
decision
by
the
City
Council
last
slide.
V
Please,
as
such,
the
Department
of
Community,
Planning
and
Economic
Development
recommends
that
the
Heritage
Preservation
Commission
adopt
staff
findings
for
this
request
to
extend
internal
protection
during
consideration
for
designation
of
the
Lyndhurst
residential
historic
district
and
deny
the
extension
of
interim
protection
for
the
sixty-six
properties
within
the
proposed
distort
district
for
a
period
of
six
months,
extending
to
January
30th
2021
or
until
the
decision
on
the
designation
is
paid
by
City
Council,
which
ever
comes
first.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
am
available
for
questions.
B
B
J
J
Okay,
if
we
deny
extension
of
inter
interim
protection,
that
does
not
forever
mean
that
the
residential
district
could
be
designated
I'm,
trying
to
understand
the
relationship
of
the
interim
protection
and
the
actual
designation.
So
if
we
denied
the
extension
of
interim
protection,
because
you
know
we
decide,
that's
that
doesn't
really
serve
any
purpose.
V
So
yeah,
if
you're
denying
extension
of
inter
protection,
that's
just
that
then
you
separately
will
then
go
to
the
next
item
on
the
agenda,
which
is
the
designation
decision
which
was
continued
from
the
previous
meeting,
and
you
are
correct,
commissioner,
chair
Sundberg,
whether
not
you
would
just
decide
either.
Yes,
you
are
going
to
vote
to
approve
the
local
designation
of
the
district
or
you're
going
to
vote
to
denied
the
local
designation
of
the
district.
V
If
you
were
to
vote
to
move
forward
and
approve
the
extension
of
interim
protection,
you
would,
on
the
next
item
and
I,
stay
with
me
for
a
minute
on
agenda
item:
seven:
the
district
decision.
You
would
vote
to
continue
that
to
a
point
in
the
future,
which
I
would
recommend
December
15th
as
the
last
possible
date
to
hear
it
to
continue
it
to
that
items
so
that
then
the
interim
protection
would
play
out
as
proposed.
Does
that
make.
V
W
B
Again,
we
will
take
the
list
of
pre
registered
speakers
in
the
order
that
they
registered
in
and
then
open
the
floor
to
any
other
speakers
who
may
be
in
the
queue
we'll
ask
each
speaker
to
provide
their
name
and
address
before
making
their
comments
and
when
I
call
your
name.
If
you
could
press
star
six
to
activate
your
microphone
and
I
will
be
running
the
three
minute
timer.
If
you
could
keep
your
comments
brief,
so
we
can
just
keep
this
moving
along.
X
Celebrating
the
life
of
historical
aspects
might
be,
but
from
a
historical
point
of
view,
at
these
times
it's
embarrassing
to
the
owners
and
it
is
potentially
a
back
lash
at
the
City
Council
and
what
many
episodes
trying
to
stand
for
so
I'm,
hoping
that
the
vision
maybe
can
help
sway
the
City
Council,
not
just
on
what
history
and
historical
architecture
means,
but
also
what
it
means
in
a
relationship
to
the
people
who
live
there
right
now.
Thank
you
very
much
for
hearing
that.
Thank.
B
B
Y
Hi
Allison
hi
there,
hello,
commissioner
I
we
spoke.
My
husband
spoke
last
time
about
our
feelings
overall
for
being
designated
start
district
and
for
numerous
reasons
we've
already
cited.
We
don't
support
that
designation,
but
I
did
want
to
focus
tonight
on
this
specific
item
being
the
interim
period
because
I
think
it
we.
Y
We
also
do
not
support
C
extending
this
for
another
six
months
and
I've
already
written
a
pretty
long
letter
that
I'm
sure
you
all
read
I,
don't
feel
the
need
to
necessarily
reread
that
again,
but
there's
there's
three
points
when
kind
of
three
main
reasons
why,
in
addition
to
not
supporting
the
historic
designation,
we
also
don't
support
this
interim
period
and,
frankly
they're
there.
I
want
to
just
focus
on
the
practical
things
for
us
as
homeowners,
because
a
lot
of
other
people
are
discussing
and
I
think
we'll
bring
up.
Y
It
kind
of
brings
me
to
my
next
point.
We
would
theoretically
be
developing
those
guidelines.
However,
it
seems
like
a
huge
hesitate
to
say
waste
of
resources,
but
it
seems
I
know
what
a
task,
so
that
would
be
both
community
members
and
for
staff
members
frankly
to
put
those
guidelines
together
and
almost
to
what
end
I
think
you've
heard
from
us.
You
know
from
us
a
majority
of
people
in
our
neighborhood
do
not
support
this
historic,
designation.
So
putting
more
time
and
resources
into
this
process.
Y
O
Y
Right
now,
with
everything
that
and
everyone
who
lives
in
the
city
is
going
through,
I
mean
it's
hard
to
even
get
a
contractor
to
come
to
your
house
and
then
to
try
to
coordinate
the
contractor
and
the
time
of
this
and
meetings
honestly
I'm
wary
right
now.
I
mean
we're
coming
off
of
a
pandemic,
which
many
of
us
of
children
have
had
our
children
home
since
March
13th.
You
know,
then,
with
the
social
unrest
with
all
the
other
decisions
the
city
is
making
adding.
Y
Z
S
O
AA
X
AA
Response
and
I
am
opposed
to
the
to
the
motion
to
extend
in
this
case,
and
you
know
if
last
time,
around
I
kind
of
tried
to
take
a
step
back
and
summarize,
where
I
thought
that
the
neighborhood
was
at
in
terms
of
the
I
think
what,
from
our
perspective,
has
been
a
kind
of
a
changing
scope
on
the
the
area
under
consideration
for
designation
and
the
the
need
for
the
community
to
have
been
brought
along
for
that.
And
so
maybe
this
time
I
just
like
to
take
like
two
steps.
AA
You
know
that
I
understand
and
appreciate
that
the
goal
of
the
HPC
is
to
help
the
communities
in
the
city
being
able
to
preserve
the
unique
historical
and
architectural
characteristics
of
these
of
these
neighborhoods.
So
I,
don't
think
it's
it's
in
the
interest
of
the
HPC
to
be
perceived
by
the
communities
as
doing
something
that
makes
it
harder
to
to
preserve
those
characteristics
and
I.
Think
there's,
there's
really
kind
of
a
an
issue
in
a
solution.
AA
That's
needed
in
terms
of
leadership,
especially
in
a
case
like
this,
where
the
scope
of
the
designation
that
designation
area
is
not
really
part
of
a
grassroots
community
effort
and
I
think
you
can
likely
always
find
leadership
in
the
community
to
work
with
the
HPC.
But
somehow
someone
on
the
HPC
side
really
needs
to
ensure
that
they
find
a
way
to
meet
the
community
in
the
middle
and
really
engage
early
in
the
process
so
that
there
can
be
real
community
input
into
the
into
the
scope
of
the
recommendation
and
the
recommendation
itself.
AA
In
an
opportunity
to
voice
their
concerns
before
it's
too
late
and
really
had
the
community's
voice
reflected
in
the
recommendation
and
also
gives
the
community
a
chance
to
bring
their
their
neighbors
along
so
I
I
think
as
Andrea
stated
and
as
the
survey
shows,
and
that's
what
you're
going
to
hear
from
from
others
today,
I
think
in
this,
and
this
particular
exercise.
It's
it's
it's
kind
of
almost
too
late.
AA
The
the
community's
input
and
concerns
aren't
really
reflected
in
the
in
the
scope
of
the
recommendation
itself
in
the
scope
of
the
designation
area,
and
even
if
someone
like
me
really
wanted
to
work
with
the
with
the
Commission
here
on
on
the
guidelines
and
the
maybe
the
implementation
of
the
recommendations.
It's
the
community
is
already
in
such
opposition.
That
has
already
stated
it
would
just
be.
It
would
be
counterproductive
in
her
in
a
waste
of
time.
B
AA
AB
You
know
the
homeowners
of
the
property
that
kind
of
kick-started
this
all
that's
how
we
should
just
at
least
let
our
voices
be
known.
You
know
in
my
previous
message
to
everyone.
I
talked
about
why
you
know
we
enjoy
the
house,
it's
a
very
similar
actually
to
the
house
that
I
grew
up
in
in
a
small
town
in
Iowa,
where
my
dad
has
been
really
involved
and
kind
of
a
group
in
that
town
too,
called
the
nugger
to
preserve
historic,
Main,
Street
buildings
and
get
people
to
reinvest
in
them
and
redevelop
them.
AB
So
I've
seen
him
do
that
for
a
long
time
when
we
purchased
the
property
I,
guess
we,
we
were
fully
aware
of
the
ongoings
of
the
historical
designation.
There
were
plans,
kind
of
already
drawn
up
and
we
had
a
timeline
in
place.
That
said,
you
know
everything
would
be
done
by
August
and
we
would
have
you
know
a
beautifully
kind
of
renovated,
still
historic
appearing,
but
very
much
energy-efficient
home
to
move
into
at
the
end
of
August.
AB
I
know
that
there
are
kind
of
opinions
on
whether
or
not
our
construction
timeline
has
been
delayed
at
all.
As
a
result,
directly
or
indirectly
of
the
HPC
but
regardless
I
think
we're
looking
at
at
least
two
months
delay
at
this
point
and
going
around
our
neighborhood
and
seeing
the
renovations
that
have
already
been
done
to
the
property
is
surrounding
us,
the
new
windows,
the
additions
put
on
you
know,
as
recently
as
year
prior
to
us
purchasing
our
house.
AB
AB
AC
Z
AB
Z
AB
R
R
They
were
white,
it
was
a
white,
wealthy
land
owner
I,
don't
know
where
he
got
the
land
I,
don't
know
how
it
became
his
in
quotes,
but
anyway
he
gave
his
land.
He
gave
land
to
friends,
so
old
boy
networks
and
then
some
of
the
houses
in
this
area.
That
says
it's
needed,
not
all
of
them,
but
some
had
racial
discrimination,
covenants
that
were
tied
to
the
property.
R
Another
part
of
our
history
is
that
this
whole
neighborhood
was
given
a
green
rating
by
the
federal
government
for
a
loan,
which
meant
that
it
was
a
good
neighborhood
in
quotes
as
well.
There
were
no
immigrants
for
Negroes
living
in
them.
I.
Don't
think
that
this
is
a
particular
history.
That
is
a
thing
to
be
proud
of
or
lifted
up.
R
C
P
You
I
don't
need
to
repeat
what
my
wife
said.
Agree
with
everything
else
has
been
sent
as
far
just
a
few
comments
on
the
on
the
report
itself.
The
very
first
sentence
of
the
summary
of
reports
that
was
created
by
the
way
to
terrific
report
in
many
respects,
but
I
take
issue
really
with
the
first
sentence.
The
Lyndhurst
residential
historic
district
is
historically
significant
for
its
association
with
a
significant
pattern
of
development
and
it
refers
to
architectural
style.
U
P
T
P
P
Our
home
is
4,500
square
feet,
it
has
a
servant
staircase
and
it
has
buttons
in
the
floor
and
the
dining
room
for
the
homeowners
to
summon
the
servants
and
that
does
not
sound
like
a
middle-class
home
and
I
know.
Other
homes
in
this
neighborhood
have
that
as
well
as
that,
so
again,
a
home.
That's
somewhere
beyond
middle-class,
it's,
it
might
be
said
to
be
a
little
bit.
Lida,
Steven
and
I
was
listening.
When
the
question
was
asked,
is
there
an
applicant
and
the
response
was
silence?
P
And
then
it
said
oh
I
guess
HPC
is
the
applicant.
That's
telling
no
one
who
lives
and
this
proposed
historic
district
is
asking
for
this
and
I
don't
know
of
any
homeowners.
Maybe
you
do
the
66
that
support
this
application,
but
don't
know
who
they
might
be
here.
You're
sensing
a
great
deal
of
frustration
among
us
verging
on
anger
about
this.
We've
said
we
don't
want
the
extra
cost
involved
in
dealing
with
reading
historic
phone
calls.
P
P
P
O
J
O
Happened
several
of
the
houses
on
the
4600
block,
one
of
which
is
ours,
and
we
think
that
to
the
point
of
some
earlier
speakers,
it
seems
like
well,
it's
really
important
to
take
into
account
the
general
aesthetics
set
back
the
size
of
the
property
and
that
sort
of
thing
there
have
to
be
accommodations
to
take
into
account
energy
efficiency
and
other
issues.
This
was
also
submitted
and
written
comments
by
other
neighbors
Adrian
and
Jessica
Woodward,
and
that's
what
I
think
the
design
timeline.
O
O
Adrian
and
Jessica
I
fear
that
our
neighborhoods
will
be
a
prime
target
of
investors
and
developers
who
will
not
be
homesteading
specifically
due
to
the
larger
lot
size,
sizes
and
three
storey
height
and
I
think
this
is
particularly
true
of
the
historically
six
hundred
block.
So
those
are
my
comments.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
attention.
Thank.
B
B
AC
Q
Q
We
like
the
idea
of
preserving
the
neighborhood,
it
sure
seems
like
when
people
do
remodel
the
neighborhood.
We've
watched
it
for
55
years
that
people
generally
stay
in
sync
with
the
architecture
not
always,
but
it's
a
valuable
asset
to
everybody,
and
we
always
love
to
see
people
stay
in
the
architectural
era
of
their
house,
but
I
can
see
I
mean
my
mom's
94.
She
will
not
be
around
for
you
know.
Ten
years
from
now
she
will
be
gone.
We
as
her
children,
we
keep
none.
Q
None
of
us
are
going
to
be
buying
her
house,
so
we
think
of
the
next
person
that
will
buy
my
mom's
house
and
we
want
them
to
take
care
of
it.
But
this
is
a
concern
to
us
of
resale
what
the
work
would
be
for
a
potential
buyer
we've
seen
some
great
renovations
in
the
neighborhood,
where
people
put
dormers
in
and
made
the
house
very
nice-looking,
but
we
are
concerned
about
those
the
guidelines
so
I.
We
would
be
interested
instead
of
just
saying
no
we're
opposed
to
it.
Q
AC
AC
I,
don't
support
either
the
historical
designation
nor
an
extension
of
interim
protection
I
would
not
support
the
guidelines,
as
articulated
in
the
Lowry
Hill
document
that
was
sent
to
all
the
residents
under
the
contemplated
historical
designation,
I,
think
additional
restrictions
and
covenants
around
how
the
people
in
the
proposed
historical
district
managed
their
properties
are
cumbersome
and
unnecessary.
I
think
they've
proven
themselves
to
be
good
stewards
of
their
properties
and,
while
I
appreciate
everyone's
comments,
both
for
and
against.
That's
certainly
my
opinion.
So
thank.
C
Well
said
there
was
a
question
commissioner:
Sundberg.
There
was
a
question
at
one
point
that
a
contingent
of
people
who
had
signed
up
hadn't
gotten
of
the
phone
number,
so
we
just
gave
out
the
phone
number
to
that
email
address,
so
everyone
who's
registered
has
spoken,
but
it's
not
clear
how
many
people
may
have
gotten
that
number
that
might
be
wishing
to
speak.
I
think
it's
just
the
muting
unmuting
piece:
that's
starting
people
off!
Okay,.
B
B
I'm
not
seeing
anybody
coming
through
so
I'm,
going
to
close
the
public
hearing
and
move
on
to
the
commissioner
discussion.
So
I
want
to
be
clear
that
we
are
discussing
the
interim
extension
of
protection.
Although
I
understand
that
it's
going
to
be
hard
to
separate
this
discussion
from
the
discussion
on
the
historic
district
itself,
commissioners
I'm
wondering
who
would
like
to
speak
first
I.
B
Know,
I
kind
of
helped
push
along
the
idea
of
exploring
interim
protection
and
I
guess
based
off
of
the
results
that
came
back.
I
am
personally
leaning
towards
not
extending
the
interim
protection,
since
it
seems
like
the
majority
of
people,
don't
think
it
would
help
from
the
side
but
I'm
curious
other
people's
opinions
are,
it
looks
like
Commissioner
stay.
D
would
like
to
speak.
AB
J
B
H
I
guess
I'll
just
I'll
just
speak
now:
I'm
gonna
give
some
wishy-washy
answer,
but
I
I
really
have
been
struggling
with
this
over
the
past
two
weeks
since
we
you
know
had.
This
was
first
brought
to
you
know,
put
on
our
plate
a
lot
of
soul-searching,
a
lot
of
kind
of
trying
to
understand
what
our
role
as
a
Heritage
Preservation
Commission
is.
You
know
I
think
recent
events
may
have
shifted
our
focus
or
our
mission
I
think
from
a
architectural
standpoint.
A
H
B
V
Thank
You
chair:
this
is
just
a
response
to
Commissioner
Johnson's
response,
our
statement
that
this
area
was
redline.
There
has
been
no
research
done
as
to
whether
this
area
was
redlined.
That
is
not
anything
that
the
consultant
dug
up.
That
is
grant
also
not
something
that
was
look
into
by
the
consultant.
V
G
Think
I
could
speak
to
that
a
little
bit.
I
guess:
I
haven't
looked
at
the
map,
but
as
far
as
either
Stanhope
mapping
prejudice
has
done
their
research
and
I
live
in
a
neighborhood
like
Lyndhurst.
There
were
parts
of
the
city
that
were
people
of
color
would
just
not
even
think
of
buying
or
afford
be
able
to
afford
to
buy.
So
they
were
not.
G
They
did
not
have
racial
covenants
or
the
buildings
were
old
enough
that
the
racial
covenants
weren't
start
kicking
at
kicking
in
yet
so
I,
don't
think
that's
a
particularly
for
this
neighborhood,
but
the
segregation
is
and
the
segregation
we
still
have
today
is
an
issue.
So
just
my
two
cents,
Thank.
B
You
commissioners,
Davey
I,
did
actually
look
at
the
mapping
prejudice
because
I
was
curious
and
there
were
fewer
houses
with
racial
covenants
in
this
district
than
I
actually
had
expected
to
see.
But
I
agree
that
they
probably
were
just
older,
and
so
they
already
had
families
in
place.
Commissioner
Howard.
N
N
I
think,
because
our
our
thoughts
about
preservation
are
changing,
but
I
really
wanted
to
say,
while
we
still
have
all
of
the
public
on
the
line
and
part
of
this
discussion,
but
I
truly
appreciate
you
stepping
forward
and
making
your
your
opinions
known
and
I
want
to
encourage
you
to
continue
being
involved.
It's
important
that
the
city,
here's
your
priorities
as
they're,
trying
to
make
changes
through
all
of
the
programs
in
the
city
and
and
you're
holding
the
city
accountable
and
I.
Think
that's
a
really
important
public
service
that
you
provide.
N
You've
expressed
many
of
the
concerns
that
we
have
weighed
as
a
commission.
We
started
the
conversation
a
couple
weeks
ago
and
we
have
a
lot
more
conversation
to
have.
I
personally
have
concerns
about
our
designation
criteria.
I
have
concerns
about
our
the
perception
of
historic
preservation
throughout
Minneapolis,
just
the
way
that
people
perceive
it
many
of
the
things
you
said
tonight
just
really
kind
of
hit
me
again
and
the
the
tools
that
we
have
in
our
toolbox
to
amplify
all
of
those
stories
that
haven't
been
told
in
Minneapolis.
N
We
just
don't
have
the
tools,
so
we
have
those
concerns.
So
stay
involved
I,
look
forward
to
talking
to
my
fellow
commissioners
about
that,
but
we
need
to
hear
from
the
community
too,
as
to
what
you
see.
Preservation
should
be
in
the
city
of
Minneapolis,
so
that
we
can
take
that
as
we
try
to
rethink
what
preservation
means
to
this
commission.
So
thanks.
B
Thank
You
Commissioner,
Howard
I,
think
you
touched
on
some
important
points
that
part
of
the
struggle
with
looking
at
this
designation
for
a
district
at
this
time
is
our
limited
toolbox
of
options
and
the
way
the
ordinance
is
currently
written
and
what
it
lets
us
view
as
historical
or
not
historic.
I
am
wondering
if
there
are
any
other
comments,
specifically
on
the
current
that
is
on
the
table,
which
is
to
deny
the
extension
of
the
interim
protection.
Is
there
anybody
else
who
wishes
to
speak
specifically
on
that?
AA
J
D
B
Thank
you,
okay.
That
motion
passes
so
now
we
will
move
on
to
discussing
the
Lyndhurst
residential
historic
district.
Specifically,
the
district
designation
I
believe
that
Andrea
Burke
will
provide
us
with
a
short
presentation
kind
of
steering
us
on
the
next
steps.
Now
that
we
did
that
previous
motion.
V
V
That
before
we
move
forward
in
terms
of
me,
bringing
in
this
to
Council
so
in
terms
of
the
timelines,
what
that
were
in
those
options,
that's
what
that's
relative
to
I'm
going
to
say
next
slide.
Please,
let's
look
at
the
mapping
for
this,
as
you
are
all
very
well
aware,
and
we've
heard
multiple
meetings
now.
This
is
going
down
to
from
216
properties
down
to
66,
and
the
decision
before
is
essentially
a
what
our
previous
you
know.
V
Staff
is
still
keeping
previous
recommendation
of
approving
the
designation
for
the
local,
historic
district
and
forwarding
on
as
a
recommendation
to
the
business
inspections
and
zoning
committee
of
the
City
Council
and
then
from
there
on
to
the
City
Council.
Who
will
make
the
final
decision
on
this
so
I
think
you've
heard
lots
of
testimony
some
four
Lots
against
I.
V
Don't
envy
you
that
this
is
a
very
difficult
decision
and
I
appreciate
commissioners
Howard's
comments
that
have
responded
to
the
public
testimony
in
terms
of
what's
happened
and
other
ideas
that
are
in
our
heads
about
what
preservation
means
to
the
city
and
then
also
the
tools
that
we
have
available
in
all
toolbox
and
why
this
came
before
us
in
the
first
place,
which
was
because,
in
response
to
a
demolition
and
that's
really
what
was
available
to
us.
But
I
will
say
next
slide.
V
Please
and
we'll
get
to
slide
you've
seen
before,
which
is
just
a
couple
of
current
photos
of
properties
and
some
historic
properties,
but
essentially
the
the
choice
tonight
is
either
moving
forward
with
this
or
not
moving
forward
with
this,
knowing
that
not
that
they
should
deter
you
that
the
council
can
choose
which
way
to
go.
But
it's
just
good
to
keep
in
mind
that
that
is
how
the
rules
are
written
in
the
ordinance.
So
with
that,
I
am
available
for
questions,
and
that
is
that.
Thank
you.
Thank.
B
J
I
didn't
have
a
question
kind
of
I
guess
making
the
presumption
that
this
is
not
going
to
end
up
as
a
historic
district
either.
If
we
pass
it,
the
council
seems
like
role
likely,
not
pass
it.
Because
and
that's
you
know,
we
don't
have
to
consider
that,
but
with
what's
the
opposition
by
the
residents,
but
it's
such
a
it's
such
a
great
study.
J
You
know
putting
aside
the
the
current
sort
of
sensitivities
to
people
of
wealth
being
able
to
build
architect-designed
houses,
which
is
you
know,
kind
of
the
business
of
preservation.
So
that's
it's
just
part
of
the
and
we
do
have
historic
districts
that
that
celebrate
other
parts
of
our
history.
So
I
I
do
want
to
make
that
that
point,
but
I
guess
I'm
wondering
what
would
happen
to
this
study
it.
B
V
V
The
impact
from
this
based
on
our
current
council's
interpretation,
is
that
once
the
city
council
decides
in
a
district
and
let's
say
they
choose
not
to
move
forward
with
it,
it
cannot
be
revived
again.
That
means
should
it
a
demolition
come
through
where
somebody
wants
to
demolish
one
of
these
properties.
V
It
would
be
approved
and
it
wouldn't
come
before
you
unless
that
property
met
the
criteria
for
individual
designation
and
that's
a
little
I,
don't
think
it's
a
higher
bar
to
meet
but
kind
of,
because
when
we
are
looking
at
integrity
of
property
for
individual
designations
really
has
got
to
be
a
shining
star,
it's
got
to
have
excellent,
exterior
integrity,
or
it's
got
a
really
strong
meet
one
of
the
seven
criteria
for
designation
under
the
local
ordinance.
So
does
it
go
away
yes
kind
of
you
know?
V
Is
it
something
my
team
that's
looking
for
is
like
once
these
districts
don't
get
decided?
What
do
we
do
with
that?
All
that
research
and
history
that's
been
looked
into
and
that's
a
problem
or
an
issue
that
were
brainstorming
to
tackle,
but
on
the
front
end
it.
This
goes
away.
These
properties
get
taken
off
and
it
can
be
no
more.
It
will
not
be
revived
again
and
that.
N
Just
wanted
to
note
that
the
the
study
would
be
at
the
State
Historic
Preservation
Office,
so
it
was
submitted
to
them
for
the
comment.
I
don't
know
what
their
current
procedures
are,
but
it
should
go
into
the
the
actual
statewide
inventory.
So
the
the
report
itself
would
be
with
all
of
the
other
architecture.
History
reports
I,
don't
know
how
they
are
looking
at
redoing.
The
the
database
there
now
so
I,
don't
know
that
any
of
these
would
be
flagged
as
potentially
eligible
for
listing
on
the
National
Register,
which
I
assume.
N
If,
if
we
believe
that
it
could
be
a
local
historic
district,
there's
possibility
that
its
National
Register
eligible
that
offers
very
limited
protections
when
there's
federal
undertakings,
but
nothing
at
the
local
level.
So
the
report
itself
would
be
at
the
State
Historic
Preservation
Office.
Hopefully
they
would
have
incorporated
it
into
their
report
files,
which
are
quite
extensive,
I.
B
B
H
B
V
Responding
responding
to
Commissioner
Johnson's
eye
glacial
pace
is
probably
a
good
analogy.
It
just
there's
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
Hoops
to
jump
through
and
right
now,
priorities
and
changing
the
ordinance
are
relative
to
implementing
the
2040
plan
relative
to
zoning
changes
and
built
for
new
items,
and
so
this
I'll
be
quite
honest,
isn't
at
the
forefront,
something
that
my
team,
whose
still
we
are
one
year
old.
Now
it
is
on
our
goals
and
is
that,
as
you
all
remind
our,
are
aware
of
I,
don't
think
you
were
here
at
that
time.
V
W
I,
don't
have
anything
real
of
substance
to
add
other
than
to
say
that
I
have
a
hard
time
denying
this
flipster
district,
because
I'm
a
basis
of
what
we
have.
We
have
every
reason
to
prove
it.
So
if
we
deny
it,
then
we'll
have
to
find
a
reason
as
to
why
we're
denying
it
and
so
I
guess
I'd,
be
interested
to
hear
what
commissioners
have
to
say.
W
If
we're
gonna
deny
it
as
to
what
the
reasons
might
be,
because
I'm
struggling
to
come
up
with
that
reason,
aside
from
things
that
are
kind
of
outside
of
our
purview
and
so
like
getting
back
to
this
tool,
backs
not
to
ideology
in
our
toolbox
is
things
that
indicate
what
are
you
start
districts?
That's
what
we
have
today.
Do
you
make
decisions
off
of
today
and
everything
that
then
that
decision-making
process
points
to
this
being
an
historic
district
and,
like
Andrea
said
you
know,
on
Maryland's
echo.
W
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
work
to
do
on
on
preservation
or
anything
like
that.
In
order
to
better
tell
the
stories,
I
am
for
playing
the
voices
of
our
black
indigenous
people
of
color
and
immigrant
communities,
which
I
absolutely
think.
It's
true
and
I
had
lots
of
conversations
with
preservationist
all
over
the
country
about
exactly
that.
W
So
I'm
actually
really
excited
about
our
opportunities
to
do
that
as
a
commission,
but
just
because
we
designate
this
historic
district
as
a
historic
district,
doesn't
minimize
any
other
historic
district
or
story
or
anything
else
that
we
tell
I
mean
this
is
the
question
before
us
is
not?
Is
this
story
worth
preserving
in
comparison
to
the
black
indigenous
people
of
color
stories
that
have
to
exist
in
Minneapolis?
That's
not
the
question
the
question
is:
is:
is
this
historic
district
eligible
for
listing
and
under
our
guideline
leave?
W
V
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
a
comment
to
Commissioner
of
Android
into
Commissioner
Johnson.
We
cannot
continue
this
to
December.
It
has
to
be
decided
tonight
in
order
to
make
the
interim
protection
deadline.
That
option
is
off
the
table,
given
the
decision
by
the
Commission
on
agenda
item
six.
Thank
you.
Thank.
N
But
this
report
was
done
very
well
and
you
know
I
appreciate
the
the
staff
reports
that
we've
gotten
I
appreciated.
All
the
public
comment,
but
I
also
wanted
to
say,
I,
really
appreciated
that
the
way
that
this
study
was
approached
and-
and
we
went
from
having
a
huge
potential
district
down
to
a
very
concentrated
group
of
66
buildings,
only
one
of
which
was
recommended
as
non-contributing.
N
It's
as
far
as
I-
can
tell
meets
the
designation
criteria.
I've
kind
of
gone
through
the
ordinance,
a
million
different
ways
trying
to
say
is:
there's
something
else
that
we
could
bring
into
the
story
in
making
that
decision
and
the
only
thing
that
we
can
do
is
we
can
bring
in
public
comment
and
several
of
the
the
public
did
say
that
they
didn't
feel
that
this
was
a
significant
story
or
that
maybe
it's
significant
in
the
wrong
ways.
So
that's
all
I've
heard
from
the
the
comments.
N
I'm
I,
don't
see
a
way
to
deny
this
based
on
the
documentation
that
we
have
before
us.
But
that's
why
it's
so
important
for
the
public
to
stay
involved
and
for
us
to
continue
those
conversations,
because
I
think
that
there's
some
some
things
that
we
do
need
to
change
in
our
ordinance
and
in
that
toolbox,
so
that
we
can.
So
we
can
tell
other
stories
better
and
and
actually
amplify
them
more
than
some
of
the
stories
we
have
been
telling
Thank.
E
I've
been
struggling
with
this
in
exactly
the
same
ways
that
everyone
has
already
mentioned.
I
think
I
actually
am
leaning
to
deny
this
historic
district
I
think
there
definitely
are
valid
points
for
why
this
you
know
is
historic
and
should
be
a
eligible
historic
district,
but
I
think
we
also
like
I
I,
can't
isolate
the
fact
that
you
know
this.
B
B
Although
you
know
that
is
where
the
City
Council
steps
in
and
makes
the
final
decision,
and
they
have
a
lot
more
tools
in
their
toolbox.
Let's
say
for
making
these
decisions.
I
would
also
like
to
think
that
we
can
maybe
utilize
this
if
it
does
move
forward
as
an
opportunity,
for
example,
with
the
guidelines.
If,
if
this
moves
forward-
and
there
were
guidelines,
developed
I
think
this
would
be
an
excellent.
You
know
new
set
of
guidelines
where
we
could
explore
issues
like
accessory
dwelling
units,
I'd
love
to
see
those
in
all
of
our
guidelines.
B
But
you
know
that's
a
rather
new
concept.
You
know
how
we
have
additions
above
garages,
how
to
deal
with
being
able
to
put
triplexes
on
these
sites,
putting
solar
on
roofs
like
some
of
the
difficult
issues
we've
seen
come
before
us
and
certificate
of
appropriateness,
applications
I
think
we
could
maybe
use
these
guidelines
as
a
way
to
work
out
some
of
those
kinks
which
we
could
then
at
least
leverage
it
as
an
opportunity.
B
So
I
guess
I'd,
like
to
kind
of
keep
those
sort
of
positive
options
in
mind
that
working
on
a
new
set
of
guidelines
would
give
us
these
opportunities
to
address
some
of
the
issues
and
I
think
things
like
accessory
dwelling
units.
You
know
that
they
get
to
issues
of
inequity
that
we
see
in
historic
districts.
J
I
make
a
comment:
yes,
Mac
sorry
I
mean
this.
The
district
clearly
qualifies
I
think
we
all
see
that
it's
eligible
I've
been
on
the
commission
a
long
time
and
I
follow
up
reservation
for
a
longer
time
than
that,
and
it's
it's
okay
to
deny
district,
because
the
residents
are
not
behind
it.
I
mean
the
the
point
that
it's
not
a.
You
know
it's
not
something
we
should
impose
upon
a
community.
J
It
would
be
much
more
ideal
if
it
were
something
that
grew
out
of
the
community,
and
you
know
at
the
beginning
of
this
particular
process.
I
thought
that
was
happening.
It
may
be
hard
to
remember
now,
but
you
know
people
were
concerned
about
the
demolition,
and
so
it
didn't
feel
like
we
were
deciding
that
this
was
an
important
district,
an
area
to
to
preserve
that
you
know
people
who
live
there
felt
that
way
too.
B
V
I
just
wanted
to
respond
to
commissioner
max
I.
Think
I
heard
that
as
your
possible
findings
for
moving
to
deny
the
designation
is
that
right,
just
unmute
yourself,
real
quick
clarify
that
I
think
I
heard
I
saw
yes
in
response
to
that,
I
will
be
completely
honest.
Those
are
not
strong.
You
can
make
them
but
keep
in
mind.
You
know
these
are
something
that
the
house
will
be
looking
at
too,
and
you
know
saying
kind
of
one
strong
thing
to
saying
this
district
meets
it
and
it
would
be
lovely,
but
you
know
the
public
comments.
V
J
B
B
J
B
B
I
agree:
I
think
none
of
us
are
taking
this
decision
lightly
and
we
I
think
all
appreciate
the
numbers
of
the
public,
who
called
in
to
speak
on
this
and
navigated,
the
virtual
format
to
participate-
and
you
know,
as
this
recommendation
moves
forward
to
the
City
Council
I-
would
just
encourage
them
to
talk
to
their
City.
Council
number
then,
and
you
know,
continue
this
dialogue.
Commissioner
sandaled.
F
F
That's
the
problem
for
me,
because
I
do
think
it
meets
our
criteria
and
I
do
want
to
highly
recommend
that
you
all
become
very
involved
in
the
process
of
you
know
if
this
goes
forward
and
gets
designated
become
involved
in
the
process
of
writing
the
guidelines,
because
that
will
really
be
your
best
way
to
to
inform
those
and
to
make
them
help.
You
and
I
hope
that
you
would
be
able
to
see
it
as
something
that
will
be
protection
for
your
neighborhood
and
the
character
that
you
all
love
and
enjoy
just
get
involved.
F
B
I
have
Thank
You
Commissioner
sample
I
think
it
is
a
good
point
that
they
should
get
involved
in
the
guidelines,
because
the
the
guidelines
can
be
quite
flexible.
We
have
some
guidelines
for
some
districts
that
are
much
more
accommodating
of
changes
to
houses
and
that's
something.
We're
open
to
Commissioner
stadia
looks
like
you
had
a
question:
I'm.
B
G
Well,
I
want
to
say
we
shouldn't
do
that
I
guess
I'm
gonna
speak
against
that
I
think
we
have
to
I
know
the
toolbox
is
small.
Well,
let's
work
on
the
toolbox
right,
but
yeah
yeah
I
went
through
Homewood.
They
didn't
want
it,
the
cat
City
Council
didn't
do
it
I
think
this
is
a
time
to
do
things
differently
and
I
really
I.
Just
don't
think
this
is
a
good
idea.
That's
all
I
got
Thank.
A
F
O
B
B
V
Is
correct?
Thank
you.
I've
got
a
list
here.
I'm
gonna
try
to
go
through
quickly,
since
it
is
7:16
p.m.
let's
see.
First
thing
just
a
quick
note.
So
there
is
a
statue.
I
haven't
decided
I
just
wanted
to
bring
it
to
your
attention
over
in
bf
Nelson
Park,
which
is
in
the
say,
Anthony
Falls
start
district.
It
was
built
in
the
1930s
and
it
used
to
sit
in
front
of
the
downtown
post
office
and
there
have
been
initiated
discussions
to
talk
about
its
removal.
This
is
something
that
I
know.
V
It
is
not
necessarily
reached
our
fingertips
virtually
in
terms
of
statues
and
removals,
but
it
is
something
that
has
handled
being
dealt
with
around
the
country
and
it
is
coming
forward
full
speed
ahead
to
us.
So
I
don't
have
it
as
an
official
discussion
item
at
this
point.
I
just
wanted
to
bring
it
up
that
this
is
something
that
we
are
going
to
have
to
start
tackling
in
the
future.
This
is
the
first
one
I've
heard
of,
but
this
is
just
something
to
put
on
your
radar.
Could.
E
V
Me
mine
is
the
pioneer
statue
over
at
bf,
Nelson,
perk
and
I.
Forgive
me.
The
name
is
escaping
me
as
to
what
it
actually
is.
Sorry
I,
just
I'm
reading
through
my
notes
here,
but
I
think
mostly
the
point
is
to
make
that
we've
got
statues.
Removal
coming
up
mostly
in
relative
to
Stuart
districts.
That's
really
all
that's
under
our
purview,
but
that's
really
the
the
main
point
that
I
wanted
to
make
under
new
business
virtual.
Any
PC
conference,
which
is
the
National
Alliance
of
preservation.
V
Commission's,
is
what's
supposed
to
happen
in
Tacoma,
it's
now
being
held
virtually
it
is
$100
and
it
is
an
excellent
opportunity
to
talk
to
other
Commission's
and
I
think
we
would
have
a
lot
to
talk
about
through
some
of
these
sessions
and
seeing
what
other
cities
are
doing
and
moving
preservation
forward,
especially
given
everything
that's
happened
over
the
last
several
weeks.
I
strongly
encourage
anybody
to
attend.
If
they
can.
V
It
is
a
great
organization,
something
else.
There's
speaking
of
items,
there's
a
window
workshop
being
put
on
by
Rios
on
July
25th
that
I've
also
notified
everybody
to
this
is
also
only
25
dollars.
I
think
it's
being
held
in
person,
but
also
a
great
opportunity
for
a
really
cheap
price
to
go
and
learn
about
why
windows
are
important
to
historic
buildings.
They
can
be
damaged,
they
can
be
repaired
and
they
can
also
be
replaced
sensitively.
V
Just
as
a
heads-up
to
everybody.
You
get
a
discount
because
you
are
in
a
local
UPC.
One
thing
else:
I
think
I
will
open
up
sorry
I'm,
looking
at
my
list
before
I
do
the
last
one.
That
I
think
commissioner,
however,
will
speak
to
as
well.
But
don't
forget
to
send
me
topics
for
the
retreat
coming
up
on.
V
But
there
was
a
mitigation
plan
put
put
forward
and
as
part
of
that,
there
was
an
interpretive
elements
that
were
going
to
be
put
around
PD
and
then
I
think
also
in
the
adjacent
Orchestra
Hall
property,
and
those
are
now
before
us
at
the
100%
designed
development
of
the
interpretive
panels
and
I
will
be
commenting
on
that
on
behalf
of
staff
and
then
Commissioner
Howard
has
volunteered
to
comment
on
behalf
an
HPC
as
participating
consulting
parties
in
this.
If
there
is
anything
else,
Commissioner
Howard
would
like
to
say
that
is
the
end
of
my
topics.
N
Yeah,
so
I
was
sitting
in
on
those
the
various
stakeholder
meetings
over
the
last
couple
years
and
right
now,
if
you
go
to
the
PB
Plaza
website
at
the
city,
you
can
download
what
was
just
submitted
to
the
State
Historic
Preservation
Office.
It
includes
Hel's
documentation,
the
historic
American,
landscape
survey,
documentation,
said
tons
and
tons
of
photos,
there's
a
209
page
addition
to
the
original
documentation,
there's
an
interpretive
plan
and
there's
an
operations
and
maintenance
manual.
N
If
any
of
you
have
any
specific
thoughts
about
any
of
the
documents
up
there
just
shoot
me
an
email
and
I
can
incorporate
it
into
our
letter
back
I've
taken
a
look
at
the
everything.
The
big
thing
that
I
would
love
any
kind
of
feedback
from
all
of
you
on
is
the
interpretive
plan.
They're,
looking
at
stainless
steel
reader
rails
on
the
Nicollet,
Avenue
overlook,
they're,
doing
a
tactile
model,
and
then
they
have
some
graphic
panels
over
on
what
they
call
the
East
patio,
which
is
really
that
Orchestra
Hall
Terrace.
B
Thank
You
Commissioner
Howard
I
took
a
look
at
the
interpretative
plan
o
because
I
thought
it
was
really
interesting.
I
would
encourage
everybody
to
at
least
open
that
part
up.
It's
not
super
long
and
they
have
actual.
They
have
the
actual
graphics
that
they're
planning
to
put
up
like
full-size
graphics.
So
you
can
see
what
they're
actually
thinking
of
doing
Andrea.
B
Circling
back
on
the
statues,
I
guess
I'm
curious.
Does
the
city
have
a
comprehensive
list
of
all
the
statues
the
city
owns
because
I
googled
a
photo
of
pipe
you
just
google
pioneer
statue,
Minneapolis
it
pops
up
and
I
can
see
why
this
might
be
the
first
one
that
hits
our
radar,
but
are
there
other
statues
that
we
should
be
thinking
comprehensively
about
how
the
city
treats
I?
Don't
know
how
many
statues
we
have.
N
You
probably
know
the
correct
name,
but
I
know
that
when
we
were
when
I
was
working
with
the
city
related
to
the
Blue
Line
LRT
project,
there's
there's
folks
who
just
deal
with
art
throughout
the
city.
I
don't
have
the
name
right
in
front
of
me,
but
there
is
a
department
that
we
can
probably
get
a
list
from
I
would
think.
B
Yeah,
okay,
yeah
I
think
that
would
be
great
if
we
could
coordinate
it
so
that
we
can
can
come
up
with.
Maybe
it
maybe
it's
something.
We
talked
about
the
retreat,
a
comprehensive
plan
for
where
we
think
these
statues
are
most
appropriate,
cuz
I'm.
Looking
online,
it's
not
seem
like
there's
much
interpretation,
for
example
around
the
Pioneer
statue,
to
give
historic
context
to
what's
depicted
there
and
I
think
it
probably
could
use
some
if
it
stays
in
that
location.
B
So
I
think
it's
a
good
topic
that
we
we
might
want
to
talk
about
at
the
retreat.
Arthur
I
guess:
I
had
one
other
question
for
you:
Andrea
have
we
had
any
updates
on
when
we
might
be
opening
up
the
Commission,
knowing
that
Jessie
is
leaving
us
in
the
near
future,
when
we
would
be
able
to
publicize
that
seat
to
get
somebody
new
on
the
Commission
yeah.
V
V
Forgive
me
I
can't
remember
why,
but
that's
that
was
coming
from
the
clerk's
office
that
there
is
so
not
immediately
given
that
Commissioner
Fritz
is
still
a
maternity
leave,
we
will
still
make
quorum
with
eight
members
once
Commissioner,
clean
steps
off
and
I
think
that's
something
we
can
talk
about.
The
treat
is
just
making
sure
we
are
in
attendance
to
have
quorum.
Okay,.
B
B
Would
just
remind
people
that
the
National
Trust
is
doing
lots
of
really
interesting
virtual
talks
on
different
topics.
I
went
to
one
on
virtually
attended
one
on
small
businesses,
the
Main
Street
program
and
how
they're
planning
to
negotiate
reopening
businesses
with
the
coronavirus.
I
thought
it
was
a
really
interesting
discussion
and
you
know
probably
relevant
to
our
work
or
they're
down
the
line.
B
So
I'd
like
everybody
to
just
keep
their
eye
on
the
opportunities
that
I
think
one
of
the
benefits
of
so
many
people
being
at
home
is
we're
seeing
a
lot
more
virtual,
continuing
education
options,
but
we
can
all
take
advantage
of
if
there's
nothing
else.
We've
completed
all
items
on
the
agenda
for
this
meeting
final
call,
any
announcements,
I,
don't
see
any
so
there
being
no
other
business.