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From YouTube: August 11, 2020 Heritage Preservation Commission
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B
C
C
This
meeting
includes
the
remote
participation
of
members
as
authorized
under
minnesota
statute,
section
13d
.021,
due
to
the
declared
local
health
pandemic
for
the
record,
my
name
is
madeleine
sundberg
and
I
serve
as
chair
of
the
minneapolis
heritage,
preservation,
commission
and
a
note.
We
do
seem
to
be
suffering
some
technical
difficulties
this
evening,
so
this
meeting
is
being
broadcast
live
only
on
youtube.
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Lims.Minneapolismn.Gov,
so
our
first
order
of
business
is
to
adopt
the
agenda
for
the
meeting,
we'll
work
off
the
agendas
that
are
available
online.
I
will
go
through
the
agenda
and
sort
out
which
items
will
be
discussed,
which
items
will
be
on
the
consent
agenda
to
be
approved,
as
recommended
by
staff
without
further
discussion.
C
So
item
number
four
is
2413,
first
avenue,
south
ward
10
a
certificate
of
appropriateness.
This
item
will
be
on
the
consent
agenda.
Unless
someone
wants
to
speak
in
opposition
to
or
modify
the
staff
recommendations.
Commissioners
was
there.
Anyone
who
wanted
to
pull
item
number
four
from
the
consent
agenda.
C
Okay,
I
don't
see
any
at
this
point.
Item
number
five
2022,
2nd
avenue,
south
ward,
10
certificate
of
appropriateness
will
be
discussed
and
item
number
6,
4632,
emerson,
avenue,
south
ward,
13
certificate
of
appropriateness
will
be
discussed
and
item
number
seven
duffy
paper
redevelopment
board
three,
it's
an
informational
item
and
that
will
be
discussed.
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K
C
Thank
you.
The
minutes
are
approved
before
I
open
the
hearing
to
public
comments.
Let
me
summarize
the
process
for
conducting
the
public
hearing
in
this
virtual
format.
The
process
is
as
follows:
first,
we'll
act
on
the
consent
agenda.
We
just
set
once
items
on
the
consent
agenda
are
approved.
The
commission
is
done
with
those
items.
Applicants
may
contact
planning
staff
tomorrow
about
next
steps.
C
After
the
consent
agenda
items
are
approved,
we'll
take
each
remaining
agenda
item
in
order.
First,
the
planning
staff
will
present
its
report
and
the
commissioners
may
ask
questions
of
staff.
Then
we
will
hear
from
the
applicant
and
commissioners
may
ask
questions
of
the
applicant
after
that
I'll
open
the
public
hearing
and
we'll
invite
public
comment.
C
First,
we'll
be
taking
speakers
in
the
order
that
they
pre-registered.
If
there
are
any
speakers
will
be
limited
to
two
minutes,
we're
going
to
really
try
to
keep
things
concise
tonight,
because
this
is
a
voting
election
night,
and
so
we
need
to
have
this
meeting
completed
by
6
pm
after
your
name
is
called.
C
You
can
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
and
then
proceed
with
your
comments.
After
we've
completed
the
list
of
any
pre-registered
speakers,
we
will
see
if
there
are
any
other
speakers
in
the
queue
who
may
have
called
in
in
order
to
activate
your
microphones,
you'll
need
to
press
star
6
on
your
phone.
So
again
we'll
take
the
list
of
pre-registered
speakers
in
order
and
then
open
the
floor
to
any
other
speakers
in
the
queue,
and
we
ask
speakers
to
provide
their
name
and
address
before
making
their
comments.
C
Please
be
sure
to
keep
your
comments
specific
to
the
application
that
is
before
us
today.
After
the
public
comments
are
complete,
I
will
close
the
hearing.
Commissioners
will
deliberate
and
act
on
the
application
before
us,
so
I
will
now
open
the
public
hearing
on
the
consent
agenda
items
again.
Is
there
any
opposition
to
staff
recommendations
for
these
items,
which
is
item
number
four
commissioners,
any
opposition
or
any
members
of
the
public
press
star
six
for
item
four.
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G
H
G
G
G
G
G
It's
kind
of
hard
to
see
from
the
far
away
the
applicant
sent
a
few
detail,
shots
which
are
included
in
your
staff
report
and
package
next
slide.
Please
here's
some
damage
beneath
the
window.
The
windows
have
already
been
replaced.
Those
were
done,
I
believe,
about
10
or
15
years
ago.
Next
slide,
please.
G
G
The
the
recommended
motion
is
to
deny
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
replace
all
original
wood,
siding
with
vinyl
siding
this
this
area,
this
historic
district
means
maintains
a
lot
of
material
integrity.
There
are
two
homes
in
the
district
that
had
vinyl
siding
applied
to
the
homes
prior
to
being
listed
as
a
historic
district,
so
they
are
not
contributing.
The
rest
of
the
homes
are
very
much
in
compliance
with
the
the
guidelines
for
washburn,
fair
oaks,
see.
I
think
that
is
the
last
slide.
G
The
secretary
of
the
interior
standards-
number
six
is
deteriorated,
deteriorated
architectural
features
shall
be
repaired
rather
than
replaced
where
the
severity
severity
of
deterioration
requires
replacement
of
a
distinctive
feature.
The
new
feature
shall
match
the
old
and
designed
color,
texture
and
other
visual
qualities
and
where
possible,
materials.
G
The
so
this
is
replacement
with
vinyl
is
in
violation
of
standard
number.
Six,
the
historic
standard
number
two
states,
the
historic
character
of
a
property
shall
be
retained
and
preserved.
The
removal
of
historic
materials
or
alteration
of
features
and
spaces
that
characterize
of
a
property
shall
be
avoided.
There
are
some
trim
details
that
the
applicant
on
their
plans
do
show
removal
and
or
change.
G
I
don't
know
if
that
is
going
to
be
what
they
actually
do.
The
standard
number,
five
states,
distinctive
features
finishes
and
construction
techniques
or
examples
of
craftsman.
Craftsmanship
that
characterize
a
historic
property
shall
be
preserved
again.
The
removal
of
the
original
craftsmanship
in
the
wood
siding
is
in
violation
of
standard
number
five.
G
The
applicant
has
provided
some
plans,
they
didn't
go
into
complete
detail.
The
applicant
provided
the
measurement
plans
and
some
elevations
of
the
home.
There
were
some
trim
on
the
porch
front
that
didn't
match,
what's
actually
exist,
or
there
was
the
trim
that
is
shown
or
that
exists
on
the
porch.
Pediment
is
not
shown
in
the
plan,
so
I
we
would
need
to
work
that
out
with
the
applicant
whether
or
not
the
the
trim
is
included.
E
G
D
Yes,
as
I'm
reading
it,
so
it
says,
new
clapboard
to
an
existing
clapboard
structure
should
match
the
directionality
and
dimensions
of
the
original
sighting,
where
a
synthetic
or
aluminum
siding
is
used,
it
should
match
direction,
etc.
Wouldn't
that
synthetic
siding
wouldn't
that
cover
something
of
this
nature.
G
So,
thank
you
for
that
question.
We
discussed
this
as
this
section
and
we
the
there
are
homes
that
were
included
in
the
district
that
had
asbestos
and
other
synthetic
sightings
that
were
appropriate
to
the
time
period
period
that
they
were
built.
So
that
is
the
synthetic
that
that
was
mentioned
in
the
guidelines,
so
if
it
was
a
1930s
or
1940s
home
with
asbestos
or
a
metal
siding
that
would
be
considered
a
synthetic
sighting.
C
With
that,
I
will
open
the
public
hearing
for
the
item.
I
believe
the
applicant
is
on
the
line
if
you
could
press
star
six
on
your
phone
to
activate
your
microphone
state,
your
name
and
address
for
the
record,
and
please
limit
your
comments
to
seven
minutes.
I'm
gonna
have
a
timer
going
just
because
this
meeting
needs
to
wrap
up
fairly
quickly.
B
C
B
You
could
stay
here,
yeah
I'll,
try
to
keep
under
sure,
yeah,
matt
boyes
and
here
with
caitlin
ferdig,
where
the
owners
are
her
daughter
of
five
months.
Olivia
might
peep
into
it's
working
from
home,
but
we'll
try
to
keep
our
comments
short.
You
know
everyone
would
like
to
have
some
time
to
vote
tonight,
yeah
just
some
context
for
the
project.
You
know
this
is
a
owner-occupied
purchase.
B
We
live
in
the
unit
excited
about
all
the
characteristics
of
the
home,
we're
a
little
discouraged
during
inspection
to
find
that,
although
from
the
street
view
that
it's
a
beautiful
house
that
the
siding
is
actually
completely
beyond
any
useful
life
at
all,
we
submitted.
Some
pictures
didn't
know
that
we
needed
to
submit
more.
I
was
reading
through
the
request.
It
said
the
information
provided
was
not
sufficient
to
show
a
full
replacement.
B
You
know.
We
would
hope
that
the
sightings
still
worked.
It's
not
money
that
you
know
we're
looking
forward
to
spending
replacing
siding,
but
I
had
three
different
general
contractors
review
the
pro
house
and
an
inspector
that
said
the
entirety
of
the
siding
needs
to
be
replaced
because
the
property
is
sustaining
significant
damage
in
and
around
the
windows.
B
Water
seeps
in
when
it
rains
is
that
the
property
this
morning
after
a
recent
rainfall
and
in
about
at
least
15
different
locations.
If
you
press
your
hand
on
the
wood
water
squirts
out
the
side,
you
can
poke
your
finger
through
the
rat
board,
so
it
is
to
a
state
that
is
beyond
pulling
boards
and
patching
that
happened
a
little
over
a
decade
ago
and
not
correctly
or
done
well,
so
the
current
sighting
is
a
mix
and
match
of
pains
deterioration,
replacement
boards.
B
So,
upon
close
inspection,
this
the
siding
has
really
lost
a
lot
of
its
integrity
in
reviewing
options.
The
best
way
to
go
about
replacing
this
from
three
independent
general
contractors
is
to
remove
the
siding,
make
sure
that
the
home
is
properly
wrapped,
that
any
repair
is
done
to
any
of
the
interior
wood.
B
B
B
M
B
There's
a
couple
comments
I
just
run
through
yeah.
I
think
the
severity
definitely
requires
a
full
replacement
heard
that
from
multiple
companies,
the
trim
details,
you
know,
will
be
maintained,
as
as,
for
you
know,
details
that
we
provided
to
this
process.
I
followed
up
on
multiple
emails
and
locations
asking
if
they
had
everything
that
we
needed
if
staff
needed
any
additional
information
from
us,
and
that
was
never
requested.
B
So
we
submitted
our
application
thinking,
we're
in
full
compliance
and
then
to
read
the
staff
report
saying
that
there's
insufficient
information
provided
was
a
little
disheartening,
especially
with
with
the
denial
of
that
there
are
vinyl
siding
already
in
this
district.
The
product
of
those
vinyl
sidings
is
a
product
that
was
made
post
1980.
B
That
is
our
intent.
We
are
going
to
be
matching
the
direction,
dimension
and
texture
of
the
original
material
inch
by
inch
around
the
home,
where
there's
cedar
shapes
now
we're
going
to
be
replacing
the
shooter
cedar,
vinyl
shakes
the
lap
board
is
going
to
match
perfectly
around
the
home
in
the
direction,
dimension
and
texture.
So
we
have
we've
gone
over
and
above
to
try
to
design
this
with
the
intent
of
the
guidelines,
which
is
to
maintain
the
character
of
the
home.
B
We
are
doing
that,
but
with
today's
modern
building
materials,
this
becomes
kind
of
one
of
the
only
options
in
a
pandemic.
In
this
current
economic
situation,
with
the
embodiment
of
the
2040
plan
in
affordable
housing
minneapolis,
I
think
we
believe
we
are
maintaining
the
integrity
of
the
guidelines,
but
in
a
way
that
is
the
only
way
possible.
B
B
M
Sure
I
can
just
validate
that
from
matt's
perspective
as
well.
Obviously,
we've
taken
a
look
at
that
and
the
viability
of
replacing
it
with
cedar
wood
from
a
variety
of
perspectives,
the
amount
of
maintenance
that
it
would
require
to
upkeep
in
future,
as
well
as
just
the
cost,
what
he
was
referencing,
so
the
products
that
we'd
be
looking
at.
These
are
newer
products
that
have
been
on
the
market
in
very
recent
years
and
the
ability
for
a
person
walking
down
the
street
or
unless
you're
within
a
few
feet
of
the
product.
M
M
Again,
it
is
expensive
as
well
to
use
the
vinyl
shakes
versus
the
laps,
so
every
design
that
we've
been
putting
together
has
been
in
congruency
with
the
existing
patterns
and
shape
and
dimensions
of
the
home,
and
unfortunately
I
was
unaware
that
any
information
was
missing
from
your
guys's
application
as
well.
Based
on
my
communication,
so
yeah.
H
C
C
K
Yeah,
this
is
andrea
burke
supervisor
for
hpc,
just
wanted
to
say
clarifying
sam
bolt's
question
that
the
interpretation
in
the
washburn,
fair
oaks
guidelines
is
that
existing
synthetic
siding
can
be
replaced.
However,
when
there
is
existing
historic
wood
siding
the
guidelines
are
not
to
replace
it
unless
severely
deteriorated.
So
thank
you.
C
M
F
These
guidelines
were
written
in
1976
for
the
district
and
the
materials
available
at
that
time
were
quite
different
than
now,
and
some
of
these
materials
look
really
good
and
considering
the
the
price
of
this
house
that
to
keep
it
affordable,
it
makes
sense
to
to
make
an
exception.
So
I
would
I
would
support
not
denying
this
application.
C
Thank
you,
commissioner
statey.
I
guess
I
would
say
one
of
my
greatest
concerns
when
looking
at
this
application
was
also-
and
I
really
liked
that
staff
included
the
policy
information
from
the
2040
plan
on
the
environmental
implications,
because
in
in
my
mind,
wood
siding,
it
does
require
maintenance.
I
realize
that,
but
it
is
us
somewhat
sustainable
material
because
you
can
get
sustainably
sourced
wood
and
continue
to
replace
it
in
little
bits
and
pieces
as
needed,
extending
the
lifespan
I
mean
we
know
historic
homes
that
have
wood,
siding.
C
That
has
lasted
hundreds
of
years,
and
my
concern
is
that
replacing
it
with
vinyl
siding,
which
is
a
type
of
plastic
that
is
sort
of
an
end
of
the
line.
You
don't
really
recycle
vinyl
for
additional
uses
at
this
point
would
be
you
know,
maybe
it's
30
years
from
now,
but
it
would
be
creating
more
trash.
At
that
point,
commissioner,
howard.
E
E
I
also
don't
think
that
the
application
shows
that
the
entire
exterior
facade
of
the
of
the
building
that
all
the
material
it
has
deteriorated
to
the
point
that
it
it
all
must
be
replaced.
We
just
don't
have
the
information
here
that
shows
that
and
we
have
no
photos
or
information
about
the
the
vinyl
shingles
which
so
we
have
no
idea
how
that
would
compare
to
to
the
shingles
I'm
I
I
just.
I
really
have
a
tough
time
with
agreeing
that
that
vinyl
siding
is
a
sustainable
choice
and
meets
the
2040
guidelines.
E
I
J
Mack
all
right,
it
seems
like
such
a
real
world
case
of
the
the
pluses
and
minuses
of
historic
preservation,
I'm
struggling
with
it,
because
I
can't
see
the
product
in
the
real
in
a
real
world
situation.
So
I
I
don't
feel
like
looking
at
a
photo
of.
It
is
sufficient
to
know
what
it's
going
to
look
like.
J
L
Yeah
I
just
like
commissioner
mack
brought
up
some
thoughts
in
my
head.
I
mean,
I
think
that
that's
the
points
well
received,
obviously
I'm
very
sensitive
to
the
applicants
and
understand
that
this
is
difficult
and
it's
it's
a
difficult
part
of
owning
a
property
within
a
historic
district,
or
that
has
a
historic
designation,
but
I
think
ultimately,
this
is
my
personal
opinion
sounds
like
it's
shared
with
some
other
commissioners.
I
just
don't
have
enough
information
to
make
that
call
right
now.
L
L
The
case
hasn't
been
made,
so
what
I
would
ask
of
the
applicant
is
to
if,
if
indeed
this,
this
vote
goes,
that
way
to
maybe
formulate
a
a
different
argument
as
to
why
we
should
vote
against
our
guidelines.
I
you
know
we
have
to
make
a
case
as
to
why
we're
making
decisions
that
might
not
align
with
our
guidelines,
regardless
of
what
year
they
were
written
and-
and
I
don't
feel
that
that
case
has
been
made
at
this
point.
C
K
G
Thank
you,
commissioners.
I
have
been
in
contact
with
the
applicants,
I
believe,
since
they
first
applied
in
april,
but
I
explained
to
them.
We
went
back
and
forth
about
the
interpretation
of
the
guidelines
and
had
mentioned
to
them
that
wood
was
the
only
replacement
material
that
is
acceptable
per
the
guidelines
and
per
the
standards,
and
I
had
asked
for
documentation
of
deterioration
repeatedly.
They
sent
more
more
photos
and
more
more
photos.
When
I
asked
for
them,
we
did
go
back
and
forth
a
lot.
G
C
D
One
of
the
other
concerns
that
I
have
on
this
application
is
is
despite
the
fact
that
the
applicant
said
that
their
replicating
the
areas
that
are
shakes
and
things
what's
shown
on
pages
23
through
26
of
our
our
packet
does
not
appear
to
be
the
same
as
what's
on
the
existing
building.
It
appears
that
there's
more
areas
that
are
kind
of
that
shake
appearance,
and
then
there
also
appears
to
be
some
trim
on
the
pediment
face.
That
does
not
appear
to
be
replicated
on
those
images
in
pages
23
through
26.
F
I
was
gonna,
I
was
gonna
speak
in
favor
of
maybe
doing
a
continuation,
but
hearing
that
it
sounds
like
every
application
makes
more
sense,
and
I
guess
I
have
concerns
about,
and
maybe
this
isn't
really.
This
is
too
nitpicky
but
color,
the
color
of
the
siding
and
those
drawings.
I
I
I
didn't
they
didn't
look,
it
didn't
look
like
it
would
be
following
the
the
the
historic
appearance
very
well.
C
C
C
E
I
F
C
G
G
This
is
our
first
first
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
this
district,
and
this
is
the
home
that
kicked
off
the
district
designation
study.
This
was
originally
the
home
that
was,
there
was
an
application
for
demolition
of
the
home.
The
applicant
is
submitting
an
application
to
replace
windows,
one
door,
the
roof,
gutters
and
siding
and
repair
and
or
replace,
trim
next
slide.
Please.
G
So
this
is
a
photo
of
the
front
facade
of
the
home.
Just
to
refresh
you,
the
home
was
built
in
1908.
The
original
owner
was
peter
a
paulie
and
the
original
architect
was
peter
b
hunt.
The
home
was
built
by
h.j
bauman
next
slide.
Please
here
is
a
general
location
of
where
the
home
is
near
lake
harriet
next
slide,
please,
the
photo
in
the
upper
left
is
a
photo.
I
not
sure
of
what
the
date
is,
but
it
gives
you
an
idea.
It
looks
like
there
was
a
screened-in
porch
at
some
time.
G
It
shows
you,
the
original
palladian
windows
that
original
oval
window
and
trim
is
still
there.
The
storm
windows
you
can
see
on
the
upper
level
looks
like
there
was
a
balustrade
up
there.
It's
a
little
hard
to
tell.
I
tried
to
tweak
the
photo
to
see
if
we
can
pull
out
the
details
on
the
porch.
Railing
was
a
little
bit
hard,
but
you
can
see
the
home
is
very
much
intact
from
this
undated
photo
next
slide.
Please,
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
replace.
I
was
told,
14
windows
we
received
a
originally
in
the
original
application.
G
G
I've
spoken
with
the
applicant
about
providing
a
window
map
of
which
windows
will
be
replaced
and
which
won't
in
the
plan
the
applicant
shows
in
the
upper
peak
the
the
palladian
windows
that
it
would
be
a
one
over
one.
The
applicant
says
that
they
will
leave
the
original
windows
there,
so
it
will
still
have
the
arch
in
the
center.
It
does
not
reflect
that
on
these
plans.
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
And
along
the
eaves,
the
applicant
has
stated
that
they
will
maintain
the
majority
of
the
trim
and
repair
where
necessary
it.
This
does
look
like
some
will
need
to
be
replaced,
but
replacement
in
the
application
was
stated
as
using
the
same
material
as
the
siding.
The
applicant
is
proposed
to
use
a
product
called
all
prime
siding.
If
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
please
this
is
a
wood,
composite
siding
in
the
vein
of
smart
siding.
G
We
didn't
see
a
warranty.
I
found
a
warranty
that
shows
that
this
has
a
10-year
warranty.
There
are
some
restrictions
for
the
contractor
in
maintaining
and
application
again.
This
is
not
a
purewood
product
and
the
because
there
are
no
design
guidelines.
Yet
we
are
following
the
secretary
of
the
interior
standards
again
standard
number,
six
stating
the
the
material
to
be.
G
It
needs
to
be
shown
that
there's
severe
deterioration
for
replacement
rather
than
repair,
we
do
not
feel
we
have
enough
evidence
that
all
of
the
siding
needs
to
be
removed
and
replaced
again.
The
material
is
a
it's
a
compressed
wood
material
with
a
coating
of
the
paint
on
it
or
it's
primed
on
both
sides.
G
We
have
several
portions
to
this
project.
The
so
standard
number
two
states,
the
historic
character
of
the
property
shall
be
retained
and
preserved.
The
removal
of
historic
materials
and
alterations
of
features
and
spaces
that
characterize
properties
shall
be
avoided.
We
do
believe
that
this
new
material
will
offer
a
different
look
than
the
wood
siding.
G
G
The
proposed
work
calls
for
the
removal
of
the
distinctive
features
finishes
and
construction
techniques
and
examples
of
craftsmanship.
Again,
the
the
wood
siding
on
the
home
was
the
original
wood
siding
for
the
most
part,
and
it's
yes,
it
needs
to
be
maintained.
The
new
material
will
also
be
need
to
be
maintained
as
well.
Standard
number.
Six
again
is
stating
that
deteriorate,
deteriorated
historic
features
shall
be
repaired
rather
than
replaced
where
the
severity
of
deterioration
requires
replacement
of
the
distinctive
feature.
G
The
new
feature
shall
match
the
old
and
design
color,
texture
and
other
visual
qualities,
and
where
possible,
materials
replacement
of
mission.
Missing
features
cell
shall
be
substantiated
by
documentary,
physical
or
pictorial
pictorial
evidence
again.
We
we
did
not
feel
that
there
was
enough
material
and
that
or
enough
evidence
provided
and
that
the
proposed
material
is
not
appropriate
for
the
replacement
staff
recommends
approval
of
the
application
to
replace
windows
in
one
door,
historic,
wood,
siding
and
repair
place
would
trim,
replace
the
roof
and
replace
the
gutters
with
the
following
conditions.
G
G
Full
replacement
of
all
condition
number
two
is
full
replacement
of
all
historic.
Wood.
Siding
shall
not
be
allowed
per
standard
number
six
repair
and
select
limited
replacement
in
kind.
Only
of
severely
deteriorated
wood,
lap,
siding
should
be
allowed
condition,
number
three
repair
and
select
limited
replacement
in
kind.
Only
of
severe
severely
deteriorated.
G
Wood
trims
shall
be
allowed
decorative
architectural
features,
including,
but
not
limited
to
the
ionic
column
capitals
and
the
palladium
wood
trim.
Shell
remain
and
condition
number
four:
the
rear,
sliding
glass
door,
new
asphalt,
roof,
shingles
and
new
gutters
shall
be
approved.
This
concludes
my
staff
report
and
I'm
available
for
any
questions.
Thank
you.
Commissioners.
Thank.
C
I
don't
see
any
at
this
time
and
in
the
spirit
of
moving
things
along,
I
will
open
the
public
hearing
for
the
item.
I
believe
the
applicant
is
here.
So
if
you
would
please
press
star
six
on
your
phone
to
activate
your
microphone,
so
we
can
hear
you
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
and
please
limit
your
comments
to
seven
minutes,
since
we
are
quickly
running
out
of
time.
A
A
We
are
actually
a
2019
blend
award
winner
on
that
5317
chowan
avenue
south
as
well.
So,
whenever
we're
making
decisions
about
how
we're
going
to
proceed
with
the
house
in
southwest
minneapolis,
we
always
consider
the
integrity
of
the
home
and
the
original
intent
of
the
architecture
when
we
proceed
so
I'll
start
with
windows-
and
I
might
be
repetitive
here-
a
little
bit
with
with
sheila,
but
I'm
going
to
just
kind
of
bullet
point
this.
A
So
we
can
stay
on
track
with
our
timing
here
and
thanks
for
the
adjustment
for
the
replacing
14
windows,
not
28
and
a
reminder.
That's
14
of
35
total
windows,
the
other
windows
we
feel
have
too
much
architectural
integrity
for
this
home
to
warrant
replacement
on
the
other
windows,
are
non-descript
they're,
just
basic
double
hunger,
single
pane,
glass,
no
grids,
nothing
that
called
attention
to
itself
whatsoever.
A
H
A
Five
wood,
storm
windows
as
well
that
are
in
terrible
condition
and
those
are
windows
that
cover
some
of
the
stained
glass
windows.
So
those
will
also
be
requested
to
change
out
we're
going
to
be
doing
a
dark
brown
color
on
the
outside
of
the
windows
to
match
the
original
historical
photo
that
you
guys
got
to
see.
H
A
A
The
windows
themselves
are
offset
many
of
them
to
a
degree
that
even
lining
up
for
latching
the
windows
is
going
to
be
difficult
without
shimming
up
the
bottom
sash
of
the
storm
windows
on
the
house.
There's
only
four
decaying
original
storm
windows
left.
All
of
the
others
are
the
old
painted
combination,
storm
windows.
A
The
owner
is
willing
to
keep
these
if
replacement
is
not
approved
because
they
do
protect
the
house
not
a
direction,
we
prefer
to
go
with
sheila's
direction.
We
agreed
that
the
palladian
window
on
the
third
floor
should
be
maintained
and,
to
be
clear,
the
only
reason
that
we
had
that
listed
for
replacement
originally
was
because
the
window
was
so
poorly
rehabbed
sometime
in
the
past
that
we
actually
have
a
half
inch
gap
from
the
sash
to
the
actual
window.
A
A
Moving
on
to
the
siding,
really
quick
on
the
all
side,
three
inch
left
siding.
I
sent
sheila
some
pictures
of
some
homes,
I've
done
in
the
past
with
the
three
inch
lap
replacement,
siding.
We
can
corner
it
to
the
existing
siding.
It's
the
the
texture
of
the
siding
is
a
smooth
texture,
so
it's
got
the
same
finish
as
the
existing
siding
and
and
we've
got
some
really
good
outcomes
using
that
product.
That
being
said,
I
have
located
a
cedar.
E
A
We
find
one
to
two
square
of
side
of
sheathing
will
need
to
be
replaced
and
because
this
home
actually
has
cement
insulation
plastered
onto
the
inside
of
the
sheathing
on
the
inside
of
the
envelope
of
the
house,
we
fear
that
possible,
moisture
retention
with
that
cement
might
actually
be
a
cause
for
more
deterioration
than
we
normally
find
as
far
as
the
window
and
door
trim
crown
moldings
dental
moldings.
These
are
all
things
that
we
do
everything
in
our
power
to
salvage.
A
Looking
at
this
house,
we
feel
that
probably
about
90
of
all
of
those
applications
will
be
saved.
The
crown
moldings
are
in
great
shape.
The
dental
moldings
are
in
great
shape
the
the
the
fluid
ionic
columns
on
the
front.
Porch
are
woodpecker
infested,
there's
so
much
bondo
and
then
everything
on
those
columns.
It's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
work
to
bring
those
back,
but
it's
an
undertaking
worth
pursuing,
and
so
that's
what
we're
going
to
do.
That's
always
been
on
our
scope
of
work.
A
Obviously,
there's
cost
implications
with
restoration
versus
replacement
in
these
jobs
are
to
properly
contain
the
lead
on
this
house.
If
we're
going
to
to
grind
and
and
smooth
and
and
sand
and
properly
paint
the
siding
to
bring
it
back,
we've
got
30
000
into
it.
Just
for
scaffolding
on
lead,
contain
and
lead
containment,
hazmat
suits
for
the
painters.
A
It's
it's
a
huge
job
to
try
to
bring
the
siding
back
to
the
level
that
it
should
be
to
properly
represent
this
house,
probably
about
three
times
the
cost,
to
restore
versus
replace
on
this
house
and,
to
my
mind-
and
I
sent
a
bunch
of
pictures
about
of
deciding
today
too-
and
I
don't
know
if
sheila
can
pull
those
up.
But
you
know
the
question
I
have.
A
A
A
Quick,
okay,
I'm
sorry
you
guys.
I
wish
I
had
more
time
for
this.
We've
already
discussed,
discovered
rotting,
sockets
raccoons.
I've
got
urine
soap
socket
boards
in
the
garage
it
stinks
in
there.
So
bad
you
can't
hardly
even
go
in
there
without
gagging
I'll.
Stop
there
we're
going
to
discover
a
whole
bunch
of
other
things
with
this
house
that
we're
going
to
fix
the
right
way
to
bring
this
house
back
to
life.
A
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
strongly
disagree
with
the
staff
findings,
especially
in
regard
to
secretary
of
interior
standards
of
rehabilitation,
section
2
design,
stating
that
removal
of
original
historic
wood,
siding
trim
and
replacement
of
character.
Defining
original
windows
will
negatively
impact
the
integrity
and
design
of
the
house
and
that
historic
district,
as
these
changes
will
render
the
house
non-contributing.
A
A
So
I
think
4632
emerson
would
be
a
great
case
study
for
setting
the
new
historical
district
guidelines
from
what
I
can
tell
nobody
in
the
district
has
had
any
communication
with
andrea
or
anybody
else
about
how
we're
going
to
proceed
with
that.
I
would
like
to
be
hugely
involved
with
that
whole
process.
If
I
would
be
invited
to
do
so,.
A
Through
restoration
of
existing
elements
of
this
home
and
replacement
with
similar
materials
of
others,
I
think
we
can
create
the
best
possible
representation
of
architecture.
From
this
era.
I
see
the
possibility
for
real
compromise
here
that
can
satisfy
the
concerns
of
all
the
stakeholders
involved,
and
I
look
forward
to
working
with
staff
to
bring
this
house
to
a
beautiful
completion.
C
C
C
I
realized
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
is
to
replace
the
28
windows.
It
sounds
like
it's
actually
going
to
be
14
windows.
I
guess
I
kind
of
feel
like
staff
recommendation
item.
One
addresses
that,
since
they
would
be
working
with
staff
on
determining
which
windows
so
clearly
dropping
to
14
would
be
accommodated
by
that,
but
andrea
or
sheila
do
do
you
want
to
clarify
that
further.
G
This
is
sheila
vemma.
Thank
you,
commissioners.
This
the
application
is
for
28
windows,
because
that's
what
we
were
given
with
the
the
window
replacement
product
sheets,
the
applicant
after
the
deadline
for
the
application,
had
been
sending
a
lot
more
information,
but
we
have
to
stick
with
what
was
in
the
original
application.
C
F
We
should
think
of
having
something
that's
homegrown
instead
of
the
secretary
of
the
interior
guidelines.
You
know,
because
I
very
realistically
when,
when
it's
all
said
and
done
when
these
guidelines
are
done
for
this
district
working
with
the
homeowners,
this
material,
this
wood
material
would
could
very
well
be
okay
with
those
guidelines.
So
I
I
feel
like
it's.
It's
tough
to
to
say
you
have
to
use,
would
exactly
would
when
it's
possible.
If
the
future
applicants
will
not
have
to.
C
E
E
Sometimes
if
it's,
if
it's
parts
of
the
building
that
are
not
seen
from
public
facades,
it's
much
easier
to
say
it's,
okay
to
use
synthetic
say
on
the
rear
of
a
building
based
on
the
secretary
of
interior
standards.
But
again
I'm
just
not
seeing
in
the
photos
that
we
have
that
there's
so
much
deterioration
that
the
entire
cladding
needs
to
come
off.
C
That's
it,
commissioner
howard.
I
guess
I
felt
like
the
staff
conditions
did
a
good
job
of
balancing
these
issues,
because
they're
allowing
them
to
to
get
started
with
the
work
and
doing
the
replace
in
kind
in
areas
that
needed,
and
you
know
allowing
some
of
the
features
on
the
back
of
the
building
to
change
and
clearly
you
know
we
welcome
everybody
to
be
engaged
in
the
process
of
developing
the
guidelines.
K
This
is
just
sorry,
this
is
andrea,
burke
supervisor
for
hpc
staff.
Just
as
a
quick
clarification
to
commissioner
stadiu's
comment:
historic
design,
guidelines,
local
historic
design
guidelines
as
a
requirement
must
meet
the
secretary
of
the
interior
standards
or
they
will
not
be
approved.
It
is
a
requirement
we
can't
bypass
them
for
four
reasons
and
the
secretary
of
the
interior
standards
come
from
the
national
park
service,
which
comes
to
us,
as
you
know,
which
is
essentially
provides
funding
and
we
are
a
clg
and
we
are
required
to
maintain
the
standards
by
the
park
service.
K
So
this
is
something
we
can
discuss
in
our
in
our
retreat,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
clarification
is
when
we
submit
design
guidelines
to
the
shippo
for
review
and
comment,
they
review
to
make
sure
that
it
meets
the
standards.
So
that
is
the
purpose
of
them,
but
just
to
make
that
clarification,
but
I
will
stop
as
we
need
to
get
going.
Thank
you
thank.
C
You
andrea,
I
think
that
is
a
good
point.
I
also
think
it's,
the
secretary
of
interior
standards
can
be
interpreted
in
a
variety
of
ways
and
I
think
that's
maybe
more.
What
we
need
to
explore
in
the
guidelines
is
how
exactly
we're
interpreting
those
and
recommending
things
to
homeowners,
as
we
have
very
little
time
left
and
another
item
to
still
discuss.
Does
somebody
want
to
make
a
motion
on
this
item?
Commissioner,
howard.
E
I
moved
to
approve
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
as
written
in
the
agenda
for
4632
emerson,
avenue,
south
contributing
house
in
the
lindhurst
residential
historic
district
subject
to
the
conditions
as
written
in
the
agenda,
including
the
the
windows
and
the
siding
and
and
everything
as
written
there.
I
can,
I
can
say
it
all
out,
but
it's
all
in
the
agenda
so.
C
C
E
C
C
M
H
H
H
C
G
Good
evening
again,
I'm
going
to
try
and
make
this
as
quick
as
possible,
I'm
going
to
skip
over
the
addresses,
since
you
see
them
there.
This
is
for
three
projects
in
the
warehouse,
historic
district,
two
existing
buildings
in
one
new
building.
The
applicants
would
really
like
a
lot
of
feedback
on
the
new
construction.
Next
slide.
Please
we've
got
the
duffy
paper.
Company
buildings
upper
left
corner
is
how
they
look
today.
G
G
This
is
the
approximate
location
of
the
project
next
slide.
Please.
Thank
you
very
much
for
rushing
through
this
with
me.
This
shows
where
the
new
structure
is
located
in
in
proximity
to
the
existing
buildings.
Next
slide,
please,
this
is
the
faulk
building.
It's
the
largest
of
the
the
two
existing
buildings
applicants
are
going
to
be.
Applicants
are
working
on
federal,
historic
tax
credits
applications.
So
we
will
have
that
oversight
as
well
as
far
as
windows
and
other
proposed
changes.
G
Next
slide,
please:
this
is
just
to
show
that
they
will
keep
the
the
canopy
next
slide.
Please
this
is
the
300
building
the
georgia
renewal
company
next
slide,
please
this!
All
of
this
information
is
in
your
packet
as
well
they're
going
to
be
adding
some
windows
here
next
slide,
please
this
is
the
new
construction
and
the
applicants
will
explain
their
their
project
from
here.
Thank
you
very
much,
commissioners.
G
C
H
N
N
The
the
two
main
facades
on
3rd
avenue
and
7th
avenue
show
are
the
south
and
east
elevations.
If
you
could,
if
you
could
see
those
elevations,
while
I'm
talking,
we
are
seeking
to
create
a
modern
warehouse
design,
aesthetic.
With
this
with
a
consistent
grid,
we
did
look
to
to
break
the
massing
into
two
pieces
along
third
avenue.
The
south
elevation,
which
is,
is
a
consistent
strategy
with
new
construction
within
the
district.
N
Shape
is
broken
into
the
two
two
windows
itself.
That
grid
also
carries
around
the
back
sides
of
of
the
building
similar
to
existing
warehouse
buildings
within
the
district,
where
you're
at
an
interior
lot
line,
which
we
are
on
those
two
sides
we're
proposing.
You
know
using
a
solid
wall
panel
and
providing
space
for
wall
murals
and
art
opportunities
again.
N
What
you're,
seeing
on
on
those
images,
is
kind
of
our
suggestion,
we're
going
to
work
through
with
with
the
neighborhood
group
and
the
client
on
on
what
exactly
those
end
up
being,
but
we're
very
excited
with
with
how
that
mural
and
you
know
large
graphic
opportunity
fits
within
the
district.
I
guess
I
can
stop
there
and
wait
for
some
feedback.
N
C
Okay,
so
I
will
move
straight
to
the
commission
discussion.
Thank
you
for
your
presentation.
I
will
speak
for
myself
personally.
I
thought
that
you're,
the
the
two
sort
of
simple
masses
of
the
new
construction,
the
the
gray
portion
and
the
brick
portion-
did
a
nice
job
of
making
it
look
like
two
separate
buildings
and
of
interpreting
in
a
modern
way
the
the
guidelines.
I
liked
the
divided
light
windows.
They
looked
similar
to
the
historic
steel
windows,
and
I'm
going
to
turn
this
to
commissioner
howard.
To
get
her
comments,
quick.
E
E
L
C
Yeah,
I
think
I
have
pretty
limited
concerns,
since
it
is
a
tax
credit
project.
I
think
you
know
they'll
have
opinions
and
then
we'll
be
seeing
this
again
with
a
certificate
of
appropriateness.
So
I
think
I'm
mostly
excited
to
see
this
move
forward.
I
know
this
is
not
the
first
time
we've
seen
a
proposed
rehabilitation
for
the
duffy,
so
we're
excited
to
see
this
go.
Are
there
any
last-minute
comments
from
commissioners.
C
C
C
I
don't
see
any
so
with
that.
We
have
completed
all
items
on
the
agenda
for
the
meeting.
Thank
you
for
working
with
the
time
constraint
there
being
no
other
business.
I
will
without
objection
to
clear
this
meeting
adjourned.
The
next
regular
meeting
of
the
hpc
is
august.
25Th
2020..
Thank
you.
Everybody
goodbye.