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So,
commission,
if
the
clerk
could
call
the
role
for
your
adoption
of
the
amendment
agenda,.
B
I
guess
first
I
gotta
sorry,
commissioners,
the
agenda
for
today's
meeting
is
before
us.
May
I
please
have
a
motion
to
adopt
the
agenda
so
move.
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Our
first
guest
is
city
council,
member
lenee
palmisano,
the
budget
committee
chair
and,
first
of
all,
welcome
council
member
palmisano.
Thank
you
for
being
here.
Thank
you,
you're
welcome,
and
I
believe
you
have
some
specific
matters
from
our
list
of
questions
that
you
wanted
to
address.
So
I'll,
just
ask
you
to
go
ahead.
If
that
makes
sense,.
J
B
You
and
I
haven't
yet
introduced
the
staff,
so
maybe
I
should
do
that
now.
B
So
I
will
move
to
our
first
question
and
please
know
also
that,
although
we
have
some
prepared
questions,
members
of
the
commission
may
also
have
their
own
questions.
To
your
knowledge.
Have
there
been
budgetary
or
fiscal
impact
analyses
examining
the
proposal
to
create
the
new
community
safety
and
violence
prevention
department?
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J
This
is
lennae
palmisano.
I
can
just
start
off
by
that.
To
my
knowledge,
I'll
be
curious.
If
others
have
had
inquiries,
there
hasn't
been
any
official
ask
of
our
finance
or
budget
departments
to
analyze
what
it
would
take
to
create
a
new
department
and
just
to
be
completely
candid,
I
feel,
like
our
budget
department
has
been
overwhelmed
with
with
their
efforts
at
revising
the
2020
budget
just
a
few
weeks
ago
and
then
preparing
for
an
unprecedented
2021
budget
process
without
any
additional
staff
and
dealing
with
furloughs.
J
So
I
would
be
surprised
if
they
had
any
capacity
to
do
so,
even
if
they
were
asked,
but
I
would
leave
it
to
others
to
chime
in
and
tell
me,
or
rather
tell
the
charter
commission
what
what
kinds
of
analyses
has
been
done
like
that.
C
This
is
laurie
deputy
cfo
lori
johnson.
I
can
speak
to
that.
I
agree
with
councilmember
palmisano
to
my
knowledge
that
analysis
has
not
been
done.
Nor
have
we
been
asked
to
do
that
in
that,
yet.
F
B
Thank
you.
The
next
question,
if
we're
ready
to
move
on
to
that,
can.
C
B
B
G
There
was
two
parts
to
your
question:
one
was
had
it
been
asked
and
the
other
was
what
would
it
entail
and
I
think
we
were.
I
think
that
second
part
is
as
important
as
the
first
part.
J
J
If
that
department
includes
law
enforcement,
then
you
know
it
would
surely
hopefully
entail
a
lot
of
the
different
components
that
we
currently
use
and
currently
function
in
our
police
department.
If,
instead,
this
is
a
build
out
of
our
office
of
violence
prevention
and
if
we
as
a
city,
choose
to
keep
these
two
entities
very
separate,
then
that
means
a
different
type
of
budget
analysis.
J
Altogether,
we've
been
I've
been
active
and
interested
in
what
kinds
of
success
or
tracking
metrics
we
will
have
for
our
office
of
violence
prevention,
but
we
are
two
years
into
it
now
and
we
don't
seem
to
have
metrics
to
measure
its
success
by.
We
do,
however,
have
some
functions
that
have
moved
over
from
mpd
into
the
office
of
violence
prevention
and
those
are
programs
that
are
often
like
national
kinds
of
programs,
and
we
have
ways
to
track
the
success
of
those.
F
Thank
you
very
much.
This
is
robin
mcpherson.
I
would
like
to
add
just
one
thing
specifically
that
I
think
is
often
overlooked.
Up
until
recently,
the
mpd
has
had
a
very
stable
workforce,
I
think
for
either
violence,
prevention
or
law
enforcement.
That
is
critical
not
only
for
the
community,
but
also
just
for
the
city's
infrastructure
and
as
well
as
just
the
training
costs
and
the
training
lead
time
for
both
hiring
and
training.
F
Will
that
continue
or
not,
I
think,
is
something
that
needs
to
be
included
in
an
impact
analysis,
along
with
the
other
things
that
you
would
traditionally
include
in
an
impact
analysis
just
the
year,
one
cost
versus
ongoing
costs,
implementation
oversight,
liability,
I
think,
is
another
big
issue
as
well,
and
then
the
impact
on
the
business
climate
and
then
tourism
impact
so
I'll.
Leave
it
with
that
and
I'm
sure
micah
can
add
to
that
list.
K
Sorry
about
that,
I
just
took
a
a
minute
to
get
everything
lined
up
here,
that
I
was
looking
for
it.
You
know
I
just
pulled
up
our
city's
fiscal
note
guide
and
that's
the
the
terminology
we
use
to
talk
about
sort
of
fiscal
notes
and
and
or
fiscal
analyses
excuse
me,
and
so
what
the?
What
that
guidance
really
does
is
just
says
you
know,
show
your
assumptions
around
what
the
what
sort
of
operational
changes
would
need
to
take
place
and
then
show
your
assumptions
around
what
that
would
cost.
K
So
I
think
it's
both
an
a
clear
articulation
of
what
the
costs
or
savings
may
be,
but
is
also,
I
think,
what's
often
missed,
is
just
the
the
showing
your
work
portion
of
an
exercise,
and
so
I
think
that
would
be
important
in
in
something
like
this
as
well,
but
otherwise
I
I
would
agree
with
everything
that
robin
just
said.
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G
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
What
is
when
you
do
an
assessment
like
this
and
council
member
palmisano.
I
know
you
said
it.
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J
Commissioner,
rubenstein
and
commissioner
perry,
I'm
not
really
sure
how
to
answer
your
question
because
I
don't
know
the
last
time
we've
really
been
through
it.
The
last
time
we've
been
through,
it
was
perhaps
to
create
the
office
of
sustainability,
which
is
much
smaller
in
a
different
kind
of
ball
of
wax.
So
to
speak,
but
in
comparison
we
have
undertaken
this
year
just
a
simple
mpd
staffing
study,
not
simple.
J
So
I
would
imagine
that
an
analysis
like
this
would
be
ballpark
would
be
a
year
or
a
year
and
a
half,
but
in
conversation
yesterday
with
councilmember
cunningham-
and
I
understand
he's
coming
to
speak
with
you
next
time.
So
I
will
let
him
speak
for
himself,
but
I
understand
this
is
being
maybe
more
of
an
iterative
process
from
his
perspective
of
a
building
out
of
functions
and
then
resourcing
those
functions,
piloting
them,
etc,
etc.
J
So,
if
that
is
the
model-
and
we
are
going
through
this
process
of
co-creation
with
members
of
our
community-
then
something
like
that-
I
would
anticipate-
would
take
years.
B
So,
let's
move
on
to
the
next
question
then,
which
is-
and
maybe
this
is
partially
already
answered-
has
there
been
any
shifting
of
programs
or
departmental
divisions
to
begin
putting
in
place
the
new
proposed
department,
in
other
words,
is
the
city
closer
to
a
plan
along
the
lines
of
a
new
department
of
community
safety
and
violence
prevention,
and
what
about
earmarking
of
funds
for
community
engagement
in
line
with
the
city
council's
representations.
J
Well,
commissioners
provoked
by
this
question
and
in
looking
at
it
yesterday,
I
did
ask
for
a
conversation
with
council
member
cunningham
about
some
of
this
I'll
say
that
today
the
only
shifts
that
have
taken
place
so
far
have
been
moving
the
positions
of
public
information
officer
and
their
one
staff
person,
so
two
ftes
total
out
of
mpd
and
into
the
communications
department
that
occurred
in
july
during
the
revised
2020
budget
process.
J
J
J
As
I
said
when
we
received
that
update,
I
have
a
number
of
concerns
about
this
pre-engagement
process
because
it
already
seems
to
be
confusing
to
the
general
public
who
want
to
follow
it
and
not
to
mention.
We
are
months
removed
at
this
point
from
passing
that
resolution
without
actually
undertaking
that
meaningful
engagement,
and
I
fear
that
we've
been
distracted
by
some
of
the
other
things
at
hand.
J
B
B
Seeing
none
I
will
move
on
to
our
next
question.
Thank
you,
council,
member,
realizing
that
this
is
more
a
theoretical
or
even
a
philosophical
question.
How
can
the
budget
leverage
cultural
change
in
the
minneapolis
police
department?
J
J
I
feel
that
some
of
the
obstacles
to
reform
here
were
from
a
few
years
ago
when,
when
it
was
the
will
of
the
council
to
remove
and
create
a
whole
separate
office
of
violence
prevention
right,
I
understand
why
people
wanted
to
do
that,
so
that
it
would
be
under
the
purview
of
city
council
and
they
would
have
more
control
over
it,
but
I
think
that
sometimes
ends
with
people
inside
city
hall
getting
a
little
too
worried
about
where
something
sits,
instead
of
really
leveraging
that
bigger
picture
that
bigger
cultural
change
and
enhancements
to
police
reform
change
for
the
department
I
have
always
advocated,
for
I
continue
to
advocate
for
in
this
budget
that
adding
more
ftes
to
our
audit
department
for
policy,
programmatic
and
investigatory
audits
of
mpd
would
be
an
excellent
and
strategic
place
to
start
over
the
last
several
years.
J
Examples
include
body-worn
cameras,
the
hiring
of
more
women
and
people
of
color
in
our
department,
off-duty
work
and
recommendations
for
that
partnering
on
how
we
can
work
through
and
manage
sexual
assault
kits
when
there
were
more
found
than
had
originally
been
understood
that
we
had
with
such
a
small
team
and
other
broader
enterprise-wide
responsibilities.
The
audit
department
is
very
limited
in
what
they
can
take
on
in
any
annual
work
plan,
and
adding
adding
more
staff
would
really
allow
them
to
expand
their
workload
each
year.
J
F
Commissioner,
this
is
robin
mcpherson
I'd
like
to
address
a
couple
of
things
on
councilmember
palmisano.
I
agree
with
most
of
what
she
said
and
I
think
that
the
audit
side
of
things
would
be
well.
It
would
be
helpful.
I
think
they've
always
been
helpful
in
pointing
out
areas
that
need
to
be
improved,
pointing
out
opportunities,
I
think
maybe
more
opportunities
than
anything
else.
So
I
would
very
much
welcome
that.
I
think
that
there's
a
pragmatic
issue
right
now
too,
with
the
coven
you
know
covet
issues.
F
Our
our
fte
count
has
gotten
so
low
that
right
now
the
mpd
is
really
worried
about
basic
policing
and
it's
very
difficult
to
find
the
human
capital
to
implement-
and
I
know
that's
not
a
very
good
excuse,
but
at
this
point
it's
somewhat
of
a
reality
of
where
we
are
right
now,
but
I
think
that
the
other
thing
is
we
as
a
city,
don't
really
talk
about
having
a
cultural
budget,
and
I
think,
maybe
looking
at
things
strictly
from
a
culture
standpoint
and
how
to
avoid
some
of
the
silo
effect
that
we
get
sometimes
would
be
very
helpful
as
well.
F
J
If
I
might
piggyback
on
what
miss
miss
mcpherson
said,
you
asked
about
how
we
leverage
cultural
change
in
mpd
and
something
that
I've
become
especially
passionate
about
these
past
few
years
is
about
wellness
and
how
we
create
culture
change
by
creating
a
healthy
environment
for
employees
and
how
do
we
build
resiliency
in
such
a
trauma-filled
position
like
a
patrol
position
in
our
mpd
workforce?
J
J
J
These
are
budgetary
issues,
because
if
we
don't
work
on
the
preventive
side,
we're
going
to
have
issues
on
on
the
impact
side
of
this
both
for
our
workforce
and
then
for
the
communities
that
they're
responding
to.
So
I
just
wanted
to
offer
that
as
one
of
those
things
that
robin
was
mentioning
before.
Thank.
L
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
I'm
going
to
ask
something-
and
it's
probably
based
maybe
on
out
of
date
or
sporadic
information,
but
I
remember
when
we
first
started
this
process
back
in
back
in
june,
when
the
mayor
and
the
chief
were
here,
there
was
some
discussion
going
on,
I
think,
within
the
department
where
they
made
some
major
changes
basically
sounded
to
me
like
cutbacks
in
the
community
outreach
activity
within
the
department,
and
I
know
the
the
police
athletic.
L
The
relationship
with
the
police
athletic
league
was
going
to
change
or
or
simply
be
eliminated,
and
to
me
removing
those
functions
from
the
department,
whether
because
of
budget
concerns
or
because
they
wanted
to
move
this
stuff
out
of
the
department,
maybe
into
the
new
division,
always
has
always
concerned
me,
because
I
thought
we
were
trying
to
get
away
from
the
concept
of
a
a
warrior
department.
We're
the
only
that
sounds
me.
L
The
only
thing
we're
going
to
have
left
are
the
you
know
the
tough
coppers
out
on
the
street
rather
than
some
of
these
other
activities,
and
I
know
they
laid
off.
What
are
they?
What
were
they
called
community
service
officers,
or
I
think
they
were?
I
think
I
read
24,
but
I'm
interested
in
someone
to
give
me
an
overview
of
what's
happening.
F
So,
commissioner,
this
is
this
is
robin
again.
If
I
may
address
those
comments,
I
I
believe
in
and
dc
force,
while
he's
not
on
this
particular
panel.
He
is
in
the
room,
and
so
I
would
ask
that
he
participate
in
this
discussion
as
well,
if
possible,
but
decisions
were
made
primarily
for
just
human
resources
when
we
started
losing
people
to
leaves,
we
need
our
first
priority
is
public
safety,
and
so
many
of
those
people
are
actually
now
working
in
patrol.
I
think
that
all
of
us
share
your
concern.
F
However,
our
intent
is
to
maintain
those
assuming
that
we
have
the
staffing
to
do
so.
I
cannot
speak,
however,
for
council's
intention
with
the
2021
budget,
so
that
would
be
something
that
you
would
have
to
ask
those
the
council
members
about
dc
forest.
Is
there
anything
that
you
want
to
add
to
that?
Maybe.
H
H
I
know
that
in
in
my
conversations
I've
had
with
people
that
it's
not,
that
we
don't
value
or
the
chief
doesn't
value
the
community
outreach
functions.
They
have
great
value,
but
if
we
don't
have
the
staffing
to
support
that
we're
going
to
we're
going
to
move
some
of
our
resources
into
patrol
and
investigative
functions,
and
then
you
are
very
accurate
in
the
sense
of
the
the
police
activities
league
it's
it
is.
H
It
is
designed
to
create
that
that
interface
between
police
and
youth,
and
and
provide
a
good
outreach
and
and
connect
with
kids
in
manners
and
in
spaces
that
are
not
enforcement
related.
So
if
that
were
to
be
moved
out
from
under
the
police
department,
it
really
would
cease
to
to
not
be
the
police
activities
league
and
it
would
be
a
activities
league
for
children,
and
I
know
that
the
chief
is
is
very
much
a
big
supporter
of
of
the
various
community
outreach
and
and
functions.
H
I,
like
the
community
engagement
team,
our
procedural
justice
division,
all
the
different
things
that
we
have
been
doing
in
those
regards.
But
currently
we
just
don't
have
the
personnel
to
staff
those
units
without
without
seriously
impacting
our
ability
to
respond
to
calls
or
or
investigate.
L
Cases,
thank
you
very
much
that
I
I
understand,
and
I
also
understand
the
the
issue.
The
first
job
of
the
department
is
to
respond
to
to
those
911
calls.
I
was
on
another
meeting
and
someone
asked
me
a
question
today.
Speaking
of
that,
was
there
some
announcement
today
about
how
many,
how
many
sworn
officers
we
had
available
for
for
patrol
something
the
400
and
some
and
how
many
sworn
officers
do
we
have
now.
L
I
know
it
keeps
going
down
because
of
the
people
taking
the
lead
and,
if
we're
concerned
about
the
the
shortage
of
of
officers.
How
does
that
square
with
the
fact
that
the
city
is
now
canceling
the
new
recruiting
class,
which
I
I'm
told,
was
ready
to
go
and
but
now
they've
canceled
it?
So
I
don't.
If
there's
if
there's
shrinkage
in
the
department
in
the
in
the
sworn
officer
compliment
where
are
we
gonna
get
more?
L
If
we,
if,
finally,
someone
decides
we,
we
do
need
some
more
more
people
on
the
on
the
swarm
officer's
side.
H
Well,
to
speak
to
some
of
this,
I
know
that
the
chief
did
speak
today
and
he
did
provide
some
numbers
and
I'm
not.
I
was
not
on
that
meeting,
so
I
don't
know
necessarily
what
he
provided.
I
know
that
it
would
have
been
more
than
400
or
or
so
I
believe
where
he
probably
gave
numbers
pursuant
to
staffing
within
the
patrol
bureau,.
H
Was
the
patrol
they
said
yeah
and
and
and
I
think
he
threw
out
numbers
somewhere
in
the
530
range
somewhere
give
or
take?
I
wasn't
again,
I
wasn't
on
that
call
and
then
and
then
obviously
we
have
other
bureaus
within
the
police
department,
so
he
was
talking
about
staffing
just
for
the
patrol
bureau
and
that
that
seems
fairly
accurate
from
some
of
the
numbers
that
I've
seen
and
those
numbers
can
change
daily.
H
As
far
as
the
cancellation
of
the
recruit
class.
I
know
that
was
a
budgetary
decision
and
outside
of
that,
and
I
guess
I
would
hate
to
throw
it
back
to
you
robin,
but
I
don't
know.
I
know
that
was
a
decision
that
I
believe
the
mayor
and
the
chief
made
together,
but
I
don't
know
enough
about
that
decision
to
speak
to
it
as
to
how
you
know
anything
further
beyond
that.
F
I
I
can
this
is
robin
again
and
I
can
address
some
of
that.
This
was
done
in
preparation
or
completion
of
the
2020
revision,
and
we
were
asked
to
find
a
certain
amount
of
money
funding
that
would
be
available
for
or
would
be,
reducing
the
mpd
budget,
and
in
order
to
get
to
that,
that
was
one
of
the
items
that
was
chosen.
F
We
don't
as
a
police
department
or
as
a
department
within
the
city,
even
though
our
our
budget
numbers
appear
high,
we
have
very
little
in
the
way
of
direct
or
just
we
are
very
little
in
the
way
of
discretionary
spending.
Most
of
our
spending,
in
fact,
I
think
this
year
it's
about
77,
to
78
percent
of
our
budget
is
for
payroll
and
fringe,
and
then
we
have
internal
service
charges,
utilities,
direct
supplies,
crime,
lab
supplies,
and
we
end
up
with
an
extremely
small
number
left.
L
B
I
I'm
sorry
I
just
wanted
to
say
I
there
was
a
study
session
today,
which
probably
is
what
commissioner
kozak
was
referencing
in
terms
of
the
discussion
that
study
session
agenda
materials
are
posted
in
limbs.
I
I
will
reconnect
into
the
chat
for
your
convenience
and
then
send
out
to
all
of
you
a
link
to
those
materials,
so
you
have
them,
but
because
I
know
she
was
president,
it's
possible
that
commissioner,
I
don't
want
to
put
her
on
the
spot,
but
commissioner
palmisano,
I
know,
was
at
the
study
session,
so
she
may
be
able
to
speak
to
some
of
those
points
if
there
are
any
additional
issues
to
raise
that
the
chief
did
report
to
council
at
today's
study
session.
So.
J
Commissioners,
this
is
lynnae.
I
do
feel
that
that
was
there
was
social
media
kind
of
misconstruing
that
number
that
was
in
the
chief's
presentation
this
morning.
At
our
study
session,
the
chief
simply
had
a
slide
that
reported
that
there
were
what
deputy
chief
force
mentioned.
It
was
535
total
members
of
his
department
available
for
patrol
at
this
moment
in
time
in
the
past.
Just
for
context
so
say
I
think.
Last
year
pre-covered
there
were
roughly
525
officers
available
for
patrol.
J
That
means
all
officers
actually
on
patrol
through
any
and
all
shifts,
including
all
the
infrastructure,
lieutenant
sergeants
inspectors
that
whole
bit.
So
I
think
that,
without
assuming
intent,
what
the
chief
was
trying
to
show
to
the
public
today
during
the
study
session
is
that
he
has
out
of
need
of
the
human
resource
constraints
that
we're
on
that
he's
had
to
take
away
all
of
the
more
progressive
policing
kinds
of
things
that
we
have
enjoyed
and
used
to
our
benefit.
J
In
the
past,
the
pals
programs,
the
community
service
officers
and
he
has
realigned
his
department
to
really
focus
on
patrol
and
investigations,
and
so
I
think
what
he
was
trying
to
do
was
to
give
comfort
to
people
in
the
public
that
we
have
just
as
much
patrol
being
resourced
as
we
have
pre-covered
and
and
pre.
Perhaps
this
kind
of
a
much
bigger
amount
of
people
in
the
process
of
leaving
the
department
than
were
necessarily
anticipated.
J
So
that's
not
that
shouldn't
be
too
alarming
for
people,
but
unfortunately,
as
commissioner
kozak
mentioned,
we
are
that
that's
going
to
be
hopefully
effective
in
the
short
term,
but
in
the
long
term
we
want
all
these
other
functions
back
in
our
police
department.
It's
part
of
what
has
created
a
very
positive
name
and
prototype
of
mpd
and
other
parts
of
our
country
and
things
that
we've
imported
from
other
places
that
we
know
work
with
crime,
prevention
and
violence
prevention.
J
B
I'll
move
on
to
the
next
question,
and
once
again
this
may
be
repetitious,
but
we'll
see
how
it
goes.
How
does
the
2021
budget,
presumably
in
draft
form
right
now
reflect
the
need
and
desire
for
police
reform?
Specifically?
Are
there
new
priorities
or
programs
added
to
the
budget
from
last
year
or
more
or
on
the
other
hand,
more
shifting
from
the
police
budget,
or
are
there
expansion
of
reform
programs
within
the
police
department
budget.
J
This
is
lynnae
again
I'll
I'll
tee.
This
up
and
other
people
can
fill
in.
I
think
you're
already
seeing
the
council
work
to
add
resources
through
even
our
mid-year
budget
process
that
focus
on
violence
prevention.
A
big
indicator
of
that
was
our
investment
during
this
july
budget
process
into
the
cure
violence
program.
J
That
was
something
that
the
chief
and
the
mayor
were
certainly
looking
at,
but
the
council-
and
I
supported
this
made-
I
believe
it
was
a
1.2
million
dollar
investment
into
cure
violence
and
getting
that
program
up
and
running
this
summer
to
see
if
that
could
have
a
positive
impact
on
some
of
the
disturbing
trends
we
were
seeing
on
violence
across
parts
of
our
city,
and
while
I
do
not
know
the
details
of
the
mayor's
proposed
2021
budget
yet
or
what
that's
going
to
look
like,
I
can
only
speak
for
myself
as
a
council
member
and
that
I
have
spoken
to
him
about
expanding
our
co-responder
programs,
because
I
think
they're,
under-resourced
and
also
adding
a
new
one.
J
I
I
recently
spoke
to
him
about
establishing
a
co-responder
program
geared
toward
addressing
homelessness
in
a
more
coordinated
way.
This
model
would
supplement
the
work
that
many
of
you
know
of
that
sergeant.
Schneider
is
already
doing
by
sending
skilled
practitioners
to
calls
about
new
encampments,
popping
up
or
people
sleeping
outside
that
way.
Our
first
point
of
contact
to
these
calls
is
someone
who
can
offer
professional
expertise
to
help
people
navigate
existing
programs
like
coordinated
entry
at
the
county
or
other
kinds
of
shelter
services.
K
K
Just
jump
in
council
member
the
so
that's
the
charter
commission's
well
aware:
there
are
requirements
in
the
charter
around
a
budget
being
presented
by
august
15th
and
the
mayor.
The
mayor
did
meet
that
charter
requirement
and
what
we,
the
that
requirement,
really
is
more
of
a
framework
than
what
the
city
traditionally
delivers
each
year.
K
The
city
traditionally
delivers
a
very
detailed,
nearly
600
page
document,
and
that
is
that
document
will
be
available
on
next
tuesday
september
22nd,
ahead
of
the
board
of
estimate
and
taxation's
vote
on
the
maximum
property
tax
levy
on
wednesday,
the
23rd
and
then
on
thursday,
the
24th
we,
the
budget
office,
will
be
presenting
a
detailed
overview
to
the
the
city
council.
So
those
documents
those
details
are
forthcoming.
K
I
I
do
think
specific
to
what's
asked
in
this
question,
though
the
mayor
did
at
the
at
the
meeting
of
the
board
of
investment
and
taxation
last
week,
indicate
that
folks
should
expect
that
there
will
be
there
will
be
cuts
to
all
departments
so
that
that
level
of
detail
is
is
out
in
the
public
realm.
B
Thank
you
any
other
questions,
comments
we'll
move
to
the
next
question,
which
is
even
more
directly
related
to
the
charter
because
of
the
charter
provision
and
minimum
funding,
which
of
course,
is
a
big
part
of
our
focus
with
respect
to
the
proposed
city
council
charter
amendment
deleting
the
minimum
funding
provision,
can
you
suggest
alternative
language
that
would
comply
with
state
law
requiring
licensed
police
officers
for
certain
kinds
of
arrests
and,
at
the
same
time,
balance
community
safety
and
violence
prevention
and
other
alternative
programs
such
as
the
co-responder
program,
for
instance?
B
Would
perhaps
a
process
rather
than
a
number
be
helpful
or
not
helpful,
or
what
you
see
is
the
best
approach
to
make
a
reasonable
determination
of
staffing
levels
and-
and
we
understand,
I
should
mention
that-
that's
that
efficient
stabbing
efficiency
study
is
still
pending
so
other
than
that.
I
think
we're
looking
for
perhaps
creative
suggestions.
J
I
would
rather
have
experts
in
that
field
take
their
time
to
provide
us
with
recommendations.
Then
there
to
be
something
outlined
that
we
have
to.
You
know
heed.
I
would
also
hesitate,
I
guess,
to
add
more
complexity
to
the
charter
which
might
limit
us
from
adding
or
subtracting
to
our
complement
of
officers
any
given
year,
but
that's
just
an
opinion
kind
of
question.
That's
just
my
opinion.
B
F
This
is
robin
again
I
would
like
to
chime
in.
I
think
I
think
I
think
there
is
more
discussion
that
needs
to
happen
personally
and
again.
This
is
an
opinion
I
think
taking
a
minimum
taking
the
minimum
out
is
concerning
to
me,
because
I
think
that
staffing
for
law
enforcement
has
to
be
a
long-term
look,
and
my
concern
is
that
we
don't
want
to
have
peaks
and
valleys
over
you
know
years.
F
So
there
has
to
be
some
acknowledgement
that
this
has,
or
this
should
be
a
steady
number,
plus
or
minus
or
plus
for
individual
things
that
come
up,
but
the
cost
of
training,
the
cost
of
hiring
you
don't
want
to
see
your
workforce
fluctuate
to
a
great
extent
between
years,
so
it
creates
having
a
minimum,
creates
baseline
and
creates
some
stability
and
prevents
large
swings.
F
B
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Perry.
G
I
think
my
question
just
got
answered.
I
I
was
wondering
if
there
was
a
specific,
not
a
specific
number,
but
whether
the
number
that
is
in
the
charter
right
now
is
too
low.
Because
of
the
I
know,
there's
this
staffing
study,
but
we
have
on
the
force
far
more
people
than
what
is
the
what
the
charter
calls
out
for
far
more
officers
and
employees
than
what
the
charter
calls
out
for.
F
I
guess
I'll
this
is
robin
again
I'll.
Take
a
stab
at
that.
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
opinions
out
there
on
what
minimum
should
be
in
any
law
enforcement
agency,
and
so
you
know
you
could
probably
find
support
for
a
lot
of
different
things.
I
think
a
lot
of
them
for
a
lot
of
law
enforcement
agencies
start
with
a
minimum
and
then
they
adjust
accordingly.
F
So
as
an
example,
the
tucson
police
department
has
an
incredible
number
of
acres,
it's
just
desert
and
certainly
low
density,
and
so
they
might
adjust
what
is
the
average
for
the
united
states
downwards
and
as
a
as
a
starting
point.
So
I
think
there
is
a
lot
of
nuance
when
it
comes
to
what's
best
for
each
individual
agency,
but
I
think
it
isn't.
It
is
important
to
do.
G
I
have
a
quick
follow-up
to
that,
then,
with
the
discussion
around
the
legal
definition
of
weather
and
whether
it's
employees
or
sworn
officers.
G
F
Well,
commissioner,
that's
a
that's
a
really
good
question.
I
think
that
I
guess
I've
assumed
that
that's
foreign
officers
that
may
or
may
not
be
correct.
You
know
I.
I
agree.
It
is
a
legal
definition
in
that.
I
think
that
if
you
say
that's
total
total
employees
that
number,
then
you
have
a
potential
situation
which
we
found
ourselves
in
back
in
the
early
2000s,
where
a
lot
of
civilian
jobs
were,
the
civilians
were
laid
off
and
the
officers
were
put
into
what
had
traditionally
been
or
could
be.
F
Civilian
jobs
and
civilians
are
actually,
in
average,
less
expensive
than
sworn
officers
and
they're,
also
trained
and
educated,
for
you
know
their
their
jobs.
So
you
have
to
be
careful
if
you
say
it's
total
because
you
may
have
that
situation
happen
again
and
I
think
that's
a
that's
a
poor
use
to
me.
That's
a
that's
a
business.
It's
a
poor
business
decision,
it's
poor
use
of
resources,
so
I
can't
answer
what
the
right
way
to
do.
It
is,
but
I
know
some
of
the
pitfalls
and
I
think
that
is
one
of
the
potential
pitfalls.
E
Yes,
I'm
not
quite
sure
who
this
question
is
for,
and
I
apologize
if
I'm
repeating
something
that's
already
been
addressed,
and
if
so,
please
tell
me,
I
lost
connection
for
a
little
bit,
so
I
missed
about
three
minutes
of
the
conversation,
and
I
I
understand
the
chief
having
empathy
with
people
in
the
community
in
the
study
session
and
talking
about
how
we
actually
have
10
more
officers
ftes
than
the
525
that
we
had
last
year,
but
working
downtown,
living
in
phillips
and
being
connected
on
the
north
side
and
the
increase
in
homicides
and
carjackings
and
violence.
E
J
If
I
may,
commissioner
rubenstein
just
a
little
bit
of
context
around
that
from
my
own
perspective,
I
think
you
will
see
that
in
the
past
it's
often
misreported,
as
the
chief
asked
for
400
more
officers.
That's
not
really
the
truth.
There
were
follow-up
questions
from
media
like
well.
What
would
solve
all
of
our
problems?
You
know,
I
think,
that's
like
asking
our
public
works
director.
J
J
He
saw
a
couple
years
before
the
rest
of
us
did
that
really
police
are
asked
to
do.
Oh,
so
much
and
maybe
more
things
than
they
necessarily
need
to
be
doing
so.
He
had
had
a
plan
that,
yes,
would
add,
more
law
enforcement
officers
for
things
that
are
needed
for
peace
officers
to
go
and
do,
but
he
also
had
been
looking
for
things
that
we
could
supplement
and
add
other
types
of
staff.
For
now.
J
His
vision
of
that
was
within
his
own
department,
and
I
think,
it's
fair
to
say,
council's
vision
of
that
might
not
necessarily
be
in
the
minneapolis
police
department,
we'll
see
what
that
staffing
study
says
something
that
director
mcpherson
has
helped
me
appreciate
over
time
over
my
six
and
a
half
years
here
on
city
council
is
about
the
staffing
curve
and
about
I
guess.
In
summary,
I
would
say
the
idea
that
you
can't
order
more
peace
officers
off
of
amazon.
Prime
right.
They
don't
just
show
up
tomorrow.
J
There's
a
process,
there's
a
long
process
and
there's
a
hiring
curve,
and
we
need
to
try
to
do
our
best
to
help
that
be
smooth
over
time
or
the
the
ramp
up
time
for
new
officers,
no
matter
which
of
the
three
paths
they
come
to
be.
An
officer
in
will
fall
in
awkward
places
and
we
will
see
spikes
and
dips
in
our
staffing
and
that's
something
that
I've
really
only
come
to
appreciate
through
a
lot
of
conversations
with
robin
mcpherson.
J
J
I
feel
that
the
place
that
we
fall
as
a
city
and
the
number
of
officers
that
we
have
or
had
the
beginning
of
this
year
tend
to
more
be
in
line
with
some
suburban
communities
who
don't
respond
to
the
volume
of
types
of
calls
that
our
mpd
force
do
that
are
resource
intensive
that
are
very
time
intensive
and
that
are
very
difficult
kinds
of
calls
to
take.
Also,
I
think
that,
overall,
the
staffing
question
is
so
highly
dependent
on
what
we
decide:
we're
really
asking
of
officers.
J
If
there's
some
nugget
or
insight
that
I
have
from
the
mayor
about
his
next
upcoming
budget,
it's
that
he
will
be
looking
to
add
more
staff
to
3-1-1
to
take
crime.
Report-Only
calls.
You
know
like
after
the
fact,
property
loss
kinds
of
calls
to
try-
and
you
know,
as
one
step
in
that
direction
of
freeing
up
peace
officers
for
the
kind
of
work
that
they
need
to
be
doing
and
acknowledging
that
that's
not
something
necessarily
that
peace
officers
need
to
respond
to
and
make
part
of
their
detail.
J
E
If,
if
I
may,
commissioner
rubenstein
certainly
thank
you
councilmember
palmisano,
that
was
really
great,
but
it
also
raises
another
question
that
I
had
in
watching
the
the
latest
budget
revision.
I
was
concerned
that
the
most
diverse
class
of
recruits
got
cut
because
you're
right
it
takes
years
to
get
to
that
point
and
so
to
see
that
happen
in
the
budget
process
was
very
concerning
to
me.
So
also
I'm
just
putting
that
out
there
too,
and
wondering
your
thoughts.
J
Yeah,
I
guess
my
thoughts
are
this
in
our
covid
adjustment
to
the
budget.
No
department
was
immune
right,
so
we
did
across
the
board
kinds
of
cuts
to
reduce
our
city's
budget
by
156
million
dollars
in
just
a
five
month
period
of
time.
I
think
that
was
maybe
a
temporary
way
to
make
some
of
that
money
back,
but
they're
still
waiting
in
the
wings
is
my
understanding,
deputy
chief
force,
chime
in
if
they're
not,
but
my
other
understanding
is.
I
think
the
mayor
is.
I
think
this
is
public
knowledge.
J
I
expect
this
is
public
knowledge
that
he's
definitely
adding
back
in
that
recruit
class
to
help
with
our
staffing
needs
in
a
fairly
urgent
way.
H
Yeah
dc
force
here
I
don't
know
some
of
the
particulars,
but
I
think
it
would
be
a
little
bit
more
of
an
hr
clarification,
but
I
think
that
there's
less
follow-up
work
that
would
need
to
be
done
if
we
were
to
bring
back
or
or
re-extend
hiring
job
offers
to
to
people
that
we
had
previously
within
a
certain
time
frame.
I
believe,
but
I'm
not
100
certain
on
the
the
length
of
time
that
we
have
on
that.
B
H
Yes,
we,
I
don't
think
we
wouldn't,
we
would
know,
I
think
we
would
just
I
I
guess,
I'm
I'm
I'm
taking
an
educated
guess
that
we
would
just
re-extend
offers
to
the
same
numbers
and
the
same
individuals
that
we
did
previously.
J
This
is
lynnae.
I
can
start
that
off.
I
I
guess
I
would
say
this.
I
fear
that
the
earlier
move
to
send
the
first
draft
of
what
a
charter
commission
change
would
look
like
to
you
all
to
the
charter.
Commission
was
misconstrued
at
times
as
unanimous
support
for
it.
J
However,
I
would
offer
that
in
so
many
conversations
the
people
of
minneapolis
desperately
want
something
to
say
yes
to
in
this
moment
a
change
that
makes
sense,
and
so
I
very
much
appreciate
how
serious
you've
taken
your
work
here
and
this
deliberation
and
all
of
the
people
that
you've
had
to
come
to
present
to
you
and
will
be
having
to
come
to
present
to
you
as
you
take
this
extra
90
days.
J
I
would
also
offer
that
I
take
it
seriously
when
we
hear
that
real
structural
change
is
needed
here
I
take
seriously.
I
think
you
all
do
the
importance
of
getting
rid
of
structural
racism
in
all
levels
of
government
local
government
included.
J
So
I
would
be
also
interested
in
having
conversations
about
how
about
what
that
means.
Beyond
the
minneapolis
police
department,
for
example,
does
our
system
of
government
the
local
government
level
currently
work?
From
your
perspective,
I
want
to
acknowledge-
and
I
do
acknowledge
in
ward
forums,
that
our
current
level
of
government,
like
the
13
council
members
in
our
working
relationship
and
how
the
everything
flows
between
mayor
and
council
and
police
chief
was
built
on
a
chassis
from
the
1800s,
and
I
don't
think
that
that
necessarily
helps
respond
to
the
day-to-day
needs
of
our
community
anymore.
J
I'm
not
sure
what
that
solution
is,
but
I
ask
for
your
very
qualified
thoughts
as
we
move
forward
over
these
next.
You
know
six
to
eight
months
of
time
and
I'll
be
reaching
out
to
you
individually.
B
F
F
We
really
really
appreciate
the
time
you've
spent
in
doing
this,
and
I
would
hope
that
you
would
contact
us
all
if
or
any
of
us
if
you
have
any
questions
or
concerns
going
forward.
But
again
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
including
us
in
the
discussion.
B
M
M
Let
me
give
you
an
example
when
I
was
when
I
was
the
city
coordinator,
the
planning
department
of
the
united
coordinator
at
that
time,
and
one
of
the
things
I
had
the
planning
department
do
was
to
take
a
look
at
demographics
and
as
demographics
changed
within
the
city,
we
were
able
to
predict
what
kind
of
different
crimes
might
begin
to
occur,
and
so
we
were
able
then,
through
the
to
the
department.
J
This
works
well
as
two
very
separated
departments.
I
know
that
the
people
in
them
right
now
work
very
hard
to
be
coordinated
right,
director,
sasha,
cotton
with
chief
eridando,
but
I
don't
think
that
the
ideal
setup
for
such
a
thing
just
from
a
public
safety
perspective,
you've
you're
talking
about
lots
more
demographic
kinds
of
things-
is
well
served
by
being
siloed.
B
Commissioner,
chair
click,
you
had
a
question.
D
J
This
is
lynae
palmisano.
I
guess
I.
I
think
that
kind
of
question
begs
the
question
of:
what's
the
job
description
for
a
peace
officer,
what
are
we
expecting
them
to
show
up
to
every
day
and
how
do
we
supplement
other
kinds
of
staff,
non-sworn
staff
to
show
up
with
them
right
so,
ideally
to
me
in
a
co-responder
world,
we'd
be
able
to
resource
more
professionals,
mental
health
professionals
to
be
able
to
continue
to
go
along
with
police
officers?
Yes,
even
during
a
global
health
pandemic,
and
that
takes
more
resources,
not
less.
J
J
This
is
the
number
of
staff
in
a
police
department,
but
maybe
it
should
be
about
the
number
of
staff
in
our
city,
dedicated
to
public
safety
and
and
that
staff
is
truly
staff,
sworn
plus
other
civilians
that
assist
with
that
effort.
In
some
way,
I
don't
know
how
you
would
do
that,
but
that
would
be
my
kind
of
just
knee-jerk
reaction.
B
B
J
I
greatly
appreciate
you
all
taking
the
time
you're
investing
a
lot
of
time
in
in
this
investigation
and
looking
at
this
from
so
many
different
perspectives.
So
thank
you
for
that.
Thank.
B
B
In
addition,
I
might
mention
that
chair
clegg
has
done
some
work
on
the
standards,
just
reflecting
some
of
the
comments
that
were
made,
and
so
they
may
be
ready
to
go
to
our
next
charter.
Commission
full
meeting-
and
that's
really
all
I
have
so
again.
Unless
there
are
any
questions
or
comments,
we've
concluded
all
business
to
come
before
the
charter
commission's
public
safety
work
group
and
without
objection
we
stand
adjourned.