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The
meeting
of
the
charter
commission's
public
safety
work
group
will
now
begin
good
afternoon.
Welcome
to
this
virtual
meeting
of
the
charter
commission's
public
safety
work
group.
This
meeting
includes
the
remote
participation
of
members
as
authorized
under
minnesota
statutes,
section
13d
.021,
due
to
the
declared
local
health
pandemic.
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C
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A
A
Thank
you
that
motion
passes
and
the
agenda
is
adopted
item.
One
on
the
agenda
is
the
chairs
report
and
I
we
do
not
have
a
report
today,
other
than
what
I
would
like
to
do
is
to
introduce
our
guest
commissioner,
rebecca
lucero.
I'm
greatly
honored
and
delighted
that
she
is
joining
us
today.
A
So
with
that,
I
will
go
right
on
to
item
two
and
our
agenda,
which
is
our
interview
of
commissioner
lucero,
and
I
thought
I
know
that
you
are
planning
to
give
a
presentation
about
your
investigation
of
the
minneapolis
police
department.
So
I'll
just
start
it
off
very
briefly
and
say,
we
would
like
to
ask
you
what
you
can
tell
us
at
this
point.
While
the
investigation
is
still
pending.
E
Great,
thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you.
Everyone
for
having
me
this
this
evening
just
wanted
to
start
by
saying
that
the
reason
I
was
asked
to
speak
tonight
is
because
this
is
a
part
of
a
conversation
tonight
about
race
and
racism
and
because
this
investigation
is
specifically
on
the
issue
of
race,
that
that
was
why
I
was
asked
to
speak
tonight
about
this
investigation,
and
so
what
I'm
going
to
do
is
share
my
screen
and
think
at
this
point
in
the
pandemic.
E
E
Great
okay,
so
I'm
just
gonna
start
out
by.
E
Let
me
make
sure
it
works,
though
yeah
okay,
so
I
wanna
thank
everyone
for
joining
me
today
about
the
overview
I'm
going
to
start
by
providing
an
overview
of
the
minnesota
department
of
human
rights
and
talk,
then
about
the
investigation
into
the
city
of
minneapolis
and
the
minneapolis
police
department.
E
So,
as
andy
mentioned
at
the
beginning,
my
name
is
rebecca
lucero
and
I'm
the
commissioner
for
the
department
of
human
rights
and
I
have
the
distinct,
honor
and
privilege
of
leading
a
small
but
mighty
team.
That
is
the
state
civil
rights
enforcement
agency.
E
We
work
every
single
day
to
ensure
that
everyone
in
minnesota
can
lead
lives,
rich
with
dignity
and
joy,
and
our
mission
is
to
make
minnesota
discrimination
free
by
creating
a
more
equitable
minnesota.
Creating
excuse
me
art.
Yes,
our
mission
is
to
make
minnesota
discrimination
free
and
we
do
that
with
our
goals
here,
of
creating
a
more
equitable
minnesota,
creating
a
more
inclusive
culture
and,
of
course,
identifying
and
eliminating
discrimination.
E
So
the
this
is
a
little
bit
about
the
department
itself,
so
we
are
the
state
civil
rights
enforcement
agency.
We
are
charged
with
upholding
the
civil
rights
of
all
minnesotans
under
the
minnesota
human
rights
act.
The
minnesota
human
rights
act
has
been
in
place
for
about
53
years
now
our
state
civil
rights
laws
prohibit
discrimination
on
the
basis
of
all
protected
classes,
including
race.
We
actually
have
one
of
the
strongest
civil
rights
laws
in
the
country.
E
The
vast
majority
of
the
cases
that
we
work
on
is
in
employment
cases.
We
also
see
a
lot
of
housing
cases
as
well
school
cases,
public
accommodation,
which
is
cases
like,
for
instance,
if
you're
in
a
coffee
shop
and
most
of
our
cases
fall
either
into
one
of
three
categories:
race,
disability,
discrimination
or
sexual
harassment.
E
So
before
we
start
talking
about
the
investigation
itself,
I
do
want
to
set
the
stage
and
note
a
few
things.
First,
what
I'm
going
to
talk
about
today
will
focus
only
on
the
department
of
human
rights
investigation
into
the
city
of
minneapolis,
the
minneapolis
police
department.
So
our
agency
is
not
involved
in
the
criminal
case.
The
attorney
general
leads
the
criminal
case.
E
E
E
Ordinarily,
we
neither
confirm
nor
deny
that
an
investigation
is
even
occurring.
However,
due
to
the
unprecedented
nature
of
this
case,
we
have
shared
some
updates.
We've
been
public
about
the
existence
of
it.
We
want
people
to
provide
information,
so
so
we
have
been
providing
some
some
information
up
front
but
that,
but
because
it's
an
ongoing
information,
there
may
be
some
questions
that
I'm
unable
to
answer,
and
I'm
just
going
to
apologize
right
now
up
front
about
that.
E
We
are
working
intentionally
and
thoughtfully
to
center
and
prioritize
outreach
within
community
to
provide
information
about
why
we
launched
a
civil
rights
investigation
and
how
folks
can
provide
information
and,
of
course,
we're
doing
a
whole
lot
of
listening
and
learning
to
that.
And
what
we're
talking
about
this
afternoon
is
the
exact
same
thing
that
we've
been
talking
about
with
a
whole
lot
of
folks,
everyone
from
the
african
american
leadership
forum,
children's
defense
fund,
saito
assad,
isaiah,
jewish
community
action,
minneapolis
chamber
of
commerce,
pillsbury,
united
and
so
on,
and
so
on.
E
E
So
I'm
going
to
start
by
providing
a
timeline
because
well
it's
been
a
very
busy
summer
and
I
feel
like
in
the
time
of
cobid,
we're
living
through
decades
instead
of
weeks
or
days
here.
So,
let's
just
go
back
to
october.
I'm
sorry
june,
2nd
of
this
year
and
on
june,
2nd
of
2020,
governor
walls
and
lieutenant
governor
flanagan
and
myself
announced
that
the
minnesota
department
of
human
rights
would
begin
an
investigation
into
the
city
of
minneapolis,
the
minneapolis
police
department
after
filing
a
civil
rights
charge.
E
E
That's
focused
on
the
policies
and
practices
implemented
by
the
minneapolis
police
department,
so
it's
really
getting
at
the
systems
itself
and
our
investigation
into
whether
the
minneapolis
police
department
engaged
in
unlawful
discrimination
based
on
race
is
just
one
piece
of
a
broader
public
conversation
about
public
safety
and
ending
discrimination
and
to
live
in
a
city
where
everyone
can
lead.
Joyful
lives,
full
of
dignity,.
E
So
this
is
the
court
order
that
the
city
of
minneapolis
agreed
to
the
and
the
structural
changes
that
were
submitted
in
the
proposed
court
order.
So
I'm
just
going
to
go
through
these
pieces
of
them.
So
first
chokehold
and
neck
restraints
are
immediately
banned.
E
Police
officers
must
report
and
actively
intervene
if
another
officer
utilizes
an
unauthorized
use
of
force,
regardless
of
their
rank
or
title
regardless.
If
they
trained
you,
regardless
of
how
long
they've
been
on
the
force,
you
must
report
the
use
of
crowd,
control
measures
and
weapons
during
protests
and
demonstrations
may
only
be
approved
by
the
chief
of
police
or
their
designee.
E
E
This
proposed
court
order
would
not
have
happened
without
the
incredibly
dedica
incredible
dedication
of
so
many
folks.
You
know
city,
council,
mayor
police,
chief
and
then
a
whole
lot
of
folks
behind
the
scenes.
The
attorneys,
the
city
city
staff,
who
negotiated
these
terms
late
into
the
night
to
get
this
done
so
quickly.
E
A
few
days
later,
the
hennepin
county
court
approved
and
entered
the
proposed
court
order,
and
the
court
has
the
power
to
enforce
these
preliminary
measures
and
failure
to
comply
with
the
order
could
lead
to
penalties.
The
city
has
implemented
all
of
these
changes,
and
we
have
confirmed
that
all
of
these
changes
have
been
implemented.
E
Now
some
of
you
may
recognize
the
measures
in
the
court
order
as
similar
things
that
have
been
ordered
in
chicago
or
baltimore
or
ferguson.
Now,
as
part
of
consent,
decrees,
you
know
is
part
of
those
consent.
Decrees.
It
took
months,
if
not
years,
to
implement
some
of
these
changes.
Chokehold
bans,
for
instance,
took
us
a
week,
and
so
it
was
a
very
important
initial
step
that
could
not
have
happened
without
the
tireless
work
of
community
organizers
and
leaders,
demanding
changes
and
doing
the
work
beforehand
to
set
that
up
to
even
happen.
E
So
these
were
some
very
important
first
steps
needed
for
structural
change
and,
as
stated
in
the
court
order,
granting
the
temporary
restraining
order
black
indigenous
and
communities
of
color
have
suffered
generational
pain
and
trauma
as
a
result
of
systemic
and
institutional
racism
and
long-standing
policies
in
policing.
This
continuous
harm
was
once
again
highlighted
by
the
in-custody
death
of
george
floyd,
and
these
measures
that
were
implemented
immediately
by
the
city
of
minneapolis
are
intended
to
start
making
those
structural
changes.
E
Investigators
are
continuing
to
review
10
years
worth
of
data
and
investigation
and
information
excuse
me.
So
what
does
that
look
like?
It
involves
a
whole
lot
of
information
on,
for
example,
stops
searches,
arrests,
use
of
force
every
single
time
use
of
forces
look
is
used.
When
is
it
used?
How
is
used
reviewing
all
the
data
looking
at
the
policies?
How
are
they
implemented?
E
What
do
they
say?
Does
it
result
in
disparate
impact?
Looking
at
the
trainings
doing
countless
interviews
of
police,
community
members,
city
officials,
public
defenders,
prosecutors,
etc,
participating
in
ride-alongs
yeah?
So
just
these
are
just
some
examples
of
how
we're
very
much
in
the
heart
of
this
investigation.
Right
now,.
E
Mn.Gov
mdhr
and
the
there's
translators
available
for
phone
use
and
the
form
itself
is
available
in
english,
molly
and
spanish.
E
Now
we
see
a
whole
lot
of
common
questions
that
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
go
through
and
answer
right
away.
So
what
is
the
likely
timeline
for
the
investigation?
To
conclude,
if
I
had
a
crystal
ball,
I
wish
I
could
answer
this.
So
the
answer
to
for
this
right
now
is
it's
really
unknown.
E
So
the
timeline
depends
on
you
know:
community
engagement
process.
How
easy
it
is
to
get
and
read
the
data.
You
know
like
what
format
is
the
data
in
on
stops,
for
instance,
what
we
uncover
during
the
investigation?
Does
it
send
us
down
a
new
path
that
we
need
to
look
at
that
we
weren't
expecting
yeah?
All
of
those
things
could
change
the
timeline
a
little
bit,
so
I'm
just
I'm
just
unsure
at
this
point.
E
E
Maybe
different
statutes
amendments
charter,
pieces
and
the
answer
is
no.
E
It's
going
to
take
everyone
all
of
us
to
build
a
world
where
everyone
can
live
lives
with
dignity
and
joy,
and
so
well.
We
won't
provide
feedback
on
that.
I
continue
to
be
grateful
for
all
the
work.
That's
going
into
this.
E
Another
question
we
get
asked
a
lot
is
what
is
mdhr's
likely
outcome
and
next
steps,
and
this
is
again
one
where
I
you
know
if
I
had
a
crystal
ball,
I
would
I
would
know
this,
and
at
this
point
I
I
just
don't
have
an
answer
to
this.
You
know
if
we
do
not
determine
there
is
evidence
of
race
discrimination.
E
The
investigation
will
conclude
and
our
work
with
the
city
of
minneapolis
and
the
mpd
will
be
over
if
we
do
determine
that
discrimination
occurred
and
then
we'll
work
with
the
city
and
the
minneapolis
police
department
to
identify
policies
and
practices
that
require
change.
We'll
have
conversations
about
what
is
public
safety?
Look
like
oftentimes,
a
consent
decree
is
a
process
that
is
used
in
these
circumstances,
so
cities
such
as
ferguson
and
baltimore
and
chicago
have
entered
into
consent.
Decrees
after
they
were
investigated
for
civil
rights
violations.
E
I
just
want
to
say
something
about
what
is
a
consent
decree
versus?
What
is
you
know
like
another
kind
of
mediated
settlement,
and
the
easiest
way
for
me
to
describe
it
is
a
consent.
Decree
is
something
that
the
court
has
oversight
over
and
the
reason
that's
important
is
because
it
lives
past
all
of
us.
It
lives
past
me,
it
lives
past.
E
You
know
any
city,
council,
member
and
mayor,
please
just
passed
all
of
us
and
so
it's
something
that
has
teeth
behind
it
and
continues
to
live
no
matter
who
comes
next
of
all
of
us,
and
I
think
that
that
is
a
really
important
tool
to
in
these
situations.
Where
we're
talking
about
systems
change,
because
I
think
when
we're
talking
about
systems
the
system
will
keep
working,
no
matter
who's
there.
E
E
A
F
F
F
My
questions
may
be
answered
by
no,
not
yet
an
unknown,
as
was
just
discussed
in
your
presentation,
but
a
lot
of
our
a
lot
of
our
conversations
when
it
comes
to
the
police
department
include
the
issue
around
culture
and
changing
the
culture
and
often
stems
back
to
the
police
union,
the
police
federation.
E
A
Thank
you.
Absolutely
chair
clegg
had
a
question.
C
Thank
you
for
joining
us,
commissioner.
I
appreciate
it
just
a
question
with
respect
to
a
consent
decree
if
a
finding
or
or
element
of
a
consent
decree
is
inconsistent
with
a
collective
bargaining.
C
How
do
you
determine
which
takes
priority-
and
I
know
we
have
both
of
our
co-chairs-
are
very
knowledgeable
about
this
as
well,
and
maybe
they
can
add
something,
but
I'm
just
curious
how
they
would
intertwine
if
they
are
inconsistent.
E
Yeah,
commissioner
clay,
thank
you
for
that,
so
a
consent
decree,
if
that
is
a
path
that
we
would
go
down
at
some
point,
would
be
something
that
we
would
be
in
deep
conversation,
negotiation
with
the
city
and
the
mpd.
So
those
would
be
things
that
we
would
work
through
and
together
with
the
city
of
minneapolis.
At
that
time,.
G
Just
by
the
way,
thank
you
so
much
for
your
presentation
very
helpful.
My
question
is
to
deal
with
the
transparency
question
that
you
answered
before
just
to
be
clear.
I
don't
want
the
public
to
think
that
they're
going
to
have
access
to
every
single
note
and
interview
and
so
forth.
That
was
part
of
that.
There
could
be
and
tell
me
if
I'm
wrong,
please
there
could
be
some
employment
information.
Perhaps
that
might
be
held
back
and
other
information,
or
will
the
public
see
every
single
piece
of
data
in
your
files.
E
Commissioner
sandberg
thanks
for
the
question,
so
our
determination
will
be
made
completely
public
and
that
determination
will
be.
It
may
be
our
detailed
and
well-reasoned.
So
that's
where
we
plan
to
put
a
lot
of
information
which
will
include
data
and,
and
everything
like
that
we
are
held
to
the
data
practices
act
which
prevents
us
from
producing
any
anything
that
could
violate
anything.
E
I
think
that
what
you're
getting
at
right
there
so
yeah
we're
held
to
the
data
practices
act,
but
it's
the
determination
itself
that
I
mean,
I
think
what
people
are
particularly
excited
to
get
a
better
understanding
of
is
no.
What
really
is
going
on
with
traffic
stops
like
how
many
traffic
stops
are
occurring
and
and
how
does
that
break
down
by
race
and
you're,
getting
that
data?
So
can
we
see
some
of
that
data
and
that's
where
I'm
I'm
trying
to
say?
E
Yes,
we're
trying
to
be
very
transparent
with
that
kind
of
information
when
it
comes
to
can
we
have
so-and-so's
address,
none
of
that's
even
in
our
determination
and
no,
we
cannot.
Okay.
Thank
you.
Yeah
absolutely.
A
Okay?
Well,
I
have
a
couple.
Thank
you.
First
of
all,
thank
you
also
again,
I
wonder
there.
In
2003
there
was
a
federal
mediation
agreement
regarding
the
minneapolis
police
department
and
I
gather
there
have
been
other
mediation
agreements
as
well.
Since
then,
we
just
heard
that
the
mediation
connected
to
the
2003
agreement
has
been
reactivated.
E
Okay,
commissioner,
commissioner
rubenstein
great
question,
you
know
actually,
over
the
past
several
decades,
there's
been
over
30
studies,
reports
and
agreements
made
on
all
sorts
of
issues
that
have
to
do
with
everything,
from
domestic
violence
to
racial
profiling,
with
stops
to
reports
on,
but
at
the
federal
level
by
the
office
of
justice
programs.
I
mean
so
there's
stuff
at
the
city
level,
at
the
state
level
and
at
the
federal
level,
and
then
there's,
of
course,
there's
a
bunch
of
non-profit
issues
as
well.
E
I
can
I'm
deeply
aware
of
the
tremendous
amount
of
work
that
has
gone
into
all
of
this
for
years
and
I'm
doing
everything
I
can
to
honor
the
work
that's
gone
on,
so
all
of
this
work
is
going
on
or
has
gone
on
and
that
work
is
separate
from,
and
apart
from
the
work
that
our
agency
does,
you
know
we
follow
our
state
statute
and
that's
what
we're
doing
and,
of
course,
we're
always
always
eager
to
learn
and
listen
from
everything
else.
That's
going
on.
E
Of
course
it
takes
time
to
build
up
a
website,
so
I
think
it's
going
to
still
be
a
couple
more
months
to
get
those
up,
but
we
will
have
those
up
for
everyone
to
see
it's
in
part
just
to
also
again
honor
all
the
work.
That's
gone
into
all
of
this
for
years.
So
look
for
that
in
the
coming
months
and
I
think
we'll
send
it
out
when
it
gets
up.
A
Thank
you
and
I
I
might
note
that
all
these
other
oops
you're
muted
phone's
doing
that
my
phone's
doing
that
without
my
computer,
those
other
studies
and
agreements
are
not
consent
decrease.
I
take
it.
E
That's
correct:
there's
been
no
consent
decree
in
minnesota
on
any
of
these
issues,
and
so
there's
you
know
an
agreement
that
this
can
occur.
This
can
occur,
but
nothing
with
that
teeth
behind
it.
I
was
talking
about
before
with
the
consent
decree,
nothing
that
actually
holds
any
that
where
there
can
be
actual
penalties
for
failure
to
comply.
That's
exactly
why
it's
really
important
to
do
to
look
at
this
through
that
lens,
if
appropriate,
yeah.
A
A
Okay,
okay,
I
was
just
thinking
that
the
police
department
already
has
data,
for
instance,
on
racial
data
related
to
traffic,
stops
that
sort
of
thing
yeah.
Well,
that's
good,
as
I
think
I've
mentioned
before
the
the
city
council
proposed
charter
amendment,
which
is
the
narrow
our
narrow
mission
to
look
at.
That
has
three
basic
components,
which
is
creation
of
a
new
department,
elimination
of
the
minimum
funding
provision
for
the
department
and
a
shift
of
oversight
and
supervision
from
the
mayor
to
the
city
council.
E
H
A
Yeah
appropriate
answer:
yeah,
okay
and
a
couple
of
other
things
you
mentioned.
A
Yeah
yeah,
probably
I'm
leaving
on
something
back
to
the
the
tro
and
the
the
stipulation
that
was
became
part
of
the
court
order.
What,
in
your
view,
were
the
most
important
parts
of
that
stipulation?
And
maybe
you've
already
answered
that
because
you
summarized
it
for
us,
but
just
in
case.
E
Yeah,
I
think
that
the
tro
holistically
was
the
most
important
part
of
it.
There's
not
one
thing
that
is
the
most
important
they
all
work
together
in
different
places.
So,
of
course,
it's
really
important
to
ban
chokeholds,
but
also
when
we're
talking
about
crowd
control,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
being
managed
by
the
chief
of
police,
but
also
we
want
to
make
sure
that
disciplines
being
handled
quickly
they
hit
on
each
part
of
different
parts
of
the
process
or
interactions
within
the
police
department.
I
think
in
a
really
well-rounded
way.
E
A
Thank
you
before
I.
I
know
your
time
is
getting
short.
Are
there
any?
I
just
want
to
ask
again
if
there
are
any
other
questions
by
commissioners,
and
I
don't
see
any,
I
think
that,
given
the
pretty
comprehensive
overview
you
gave
us,
it's
greatly
appreciated
was
very
helpful
to
us.
So
with
that,
I
think
we
can
sign
off
and
thank
you
again
for
your
time
and
all
the
you
know
most
interesting
and
helpful
information
that
you've
given
us
yeah.
E
Thank
you,
everyone
for
the
time
as
well,
and
I
just
know
that
this
is
a
time
of
incredible
stress,
and
so
just
wishing
everyone
grace
and
kindness
and
just
take
care
of
care
of
yourselves
and
each
other,
okay
have
a
good
one.
Everyone
bye!
Thank
you.
A
So
I'm
gonna
move
to
item
three
on
our
agenda,
which
is
a
discussion
of
the
next
steps
for
our
work
group,
and
this
was
to
be
the
last
meeting
at
which
we
were
going
to
be
interviewing
people,
but
because
members
of
the
racial
equity
division
of
the
city
coordinator's
office
could
not
be
here
today.
A
A
C
Perhaps
we
should
play
it
by
ear
then,
at
this
point,
because
I
mean
if
they
can't
be
available
until
after
our
report
is
written
or
after
we're
entering
the
stage
as
a
final
consideration
of
a
report,
their
appearance
might
be
of
limited
use
if
they
could
appear
next
week,
for
example,
that
would
be
helpful.
A
Yeah
well,
the
the
government
structure
subcommittee
of
work
group
is
meeting
a
week
from
today.
So
we
don't
really
have
that
time
open,
but
perhaps
we
can
we'll
get
that
information
and
get
it
out
to
the
work
group,
and
maybe
we
can
figure
it
out
from
there.
It
looks
like
we
do
have
consensus
that
if
they
are
available,
then
we
should
have
them
as
possible.
C
My
my
recommendation
would
be
that
we
leave
it
up
to
the
co-chairs
as
to
whether
or
not
we
should
schedule
another
session
depending
upon
availability
of
the
of
the
witnesses.
F
One
comment
in
one
question:
my
comment
is:
according
to
the
work
group
plan
that
was
created,
the
dates
of
october
20,
26
november,
2nd
and
november
16th
were
on
there
so
right,
but
some
fell
on
a
monday.
So
that
was
an
error.
F
F
F
That
my
question,
however,
is-
and
it's
regarding
my
question
to
commissioner
commissioner
lucero
about
the
police
federation.
F
We
keep
trying
to
ask
questions
of
the
guests
that
have
been
invited,
but
there
seems
to
be
no
ability
to
any
for
anyone
to
be
able
to
answer
questions
about
the
federation,
the
culture.
F
A
F
It
just
seems
to
permeate
all
conversation
regarding
the
charter
amendment
right,
so
it
just
seems
like.
If
not,
then
I
think
we're
doing
a
disservice
to
ourselves
and
if
it's
not
addressed
at
some
other
broader
level.
Ultimately,
the
the
residents
of
of
minneapolis
are
not
being
offered
the
due
diligence
of
really
scrubbing
every
corner
possible.
That's.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
just
to
follow
up
on
what
joel
said.
I
think
I
was
the
person
last
week
or
whenever
it
was
to
suggest
that
we
might
want
to
hear
from
from
that
side
of
the
of
the
equation,
meaning
the
officers
we've
heard
from
everyone
else,
and
but
we
haven't
heard
in
in
the
absence
of
trying
to
decide
which
police
officers
we
should
talk
to,
I
suppose
the
representative
from
the
federation
and
I'm
thinking
mainly
of
jim
michaels,
who
has
suggested
that
he'd
be
willing
to
do
it.
D
I
think
it
would
be
worth
our
while
to
hear
from
him
now.
I
understand
we
have
constraints
with
timing
and
so
on,
but
I
still
think
I'm
not
going
to
make
a
formal
motion,
but
I
really
think
it
would
be
worthwhile
to
hear
what
he
has
to
has
to
say
perspective.
I
realized
that
probably
is
not
going
to
give
us
any
big
advice
about
what
to
put
in
a
charter
a
potential
charter
amendment,
but
much
of
what
we've
heard.
D
Certainly
concerns
policy
concerns
the
council,
but
I'm
not
sure
I
think
we've
learned
an
awful
lot
in
these
last.
In
the
months
since
we,
since
we,
we
made
our
decision
on
in
august,
but
a
lot
of
that
information
has
really
nothing
to
do
with
helping
us
prepare
a
charter
amendment
so
just
in
the
interest
of
of
hearing
from
everyone
hearing
from
the
basically
the
objects
or
the
subject,
the
objects
of
of
all
these
investigations
and
our
inquiry.
I'd
like
to
hear
what
they
have
to
say.
A
Thank
you.
I
know,
chair
clegg
has
a
comment,
so
I
wouldn't
let
him
respond.
I
think
what
you
said
certainly
bears
a
lot
of
thought,
but
I
defer
to
cheer
click.
C
C
I
am
not
sure
what
value
there
would
be
in
listening
to
the
lawyer
for
the
police
federation
or
for
that
matter,
taking
testimony
from
individual
officers,
no
matter
what
their
perspective
might
be.
C
I
think
we're
looking
at
this
from
a
very
high
level
we're
looking
at
this
from
a
charter
question
level,
and
I
think
you
know
getting
down
into
hearing
testimony
from
officers
is
more
of
what
the
city
council
should
be
doing
and
the
mayor
should
be
doing
and
not
what
what
is
within
the
scope
of
our
task.
A
H
Yeah,
I
thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
just
want
to
echo
andy's
thoughts.
I
think
we
should
hear
from
the
police
federation
I'm
not
so
interested
in
hearing
from
individual
police
officers,
but
I
do
think
the
federation
being
in
the
role
that
they
are
in.
This
whole
thing
bears
hearing
from
them
and
I
think
it
would
be
notably
absent
to
have
a
report
that
didn't
have
anything
that
mentioned
their
position
or
their
thoughts
on
this
matter.
A
F
Okay,
then,
let
me
add
to
the
conversation
regarding
what
chair
clegg
said
about.
I
mean
number
one.
I
would
welcome
any
voice
from
from
the
federation,
but
number
two
regarding
what
chair
clegg
said
about
principal
responsibility,
falling
to
the
city
council
and
the
mayor
on
this
issue,
and
I
can
bring
this
up
later,
but
I
would
very
much
suggest
that,
as
part
of
our
report,
our
report
have
as
a
strong
recommendation
that
the
council
and
mayor
look
into
the
federation
and
even
how
arbitration
is
handled.
F
We
talked
about
that,
but
we
spoke
to
the
city
attorney's
office,
but
I,
while
it
may
not
be
exactly
in
our
purview,
I
think
it
could
be
within
our
responsibility
to
put
it
in
our
final
report
as
something
that
really
needs
to
be
looked
at
and
analyzed.
H
Sort
of
rebut
chair
clegg's
comments
and
saying
this,
the
the
the
reason
why
we
have
at
least
one
component
of
the
three
components
in
the
charter
is
because
of
union
action,
50
or
60
years
ago,
and
so
I
think,
because
of
that
alone,
they
should
have.
C
Just
to
commissioner
perry,
the
reason
this
is
before
us
is
not
because
of
union
action
of
50
or
60
years
ago.
It's
because
the
vozer,
the
voters
of
the
city
of
minneapolis
acted
50
or
60
years
ago.
A
I
think
that
that's
something
for
us
to
do
more
thinking
about
take
under
advisement
at
this
point,
but
I
want
also
in
terms
of
next
steps,
which
is
where
we
are
on
our
agenda
now
to
ask
the
members
of
the
work
group
that,
if
they
believe
that
a
substitute
amendment
is
in
order
at
this
point,
as
part
of
our
report
now
and
in
the
next
couple
of
weeks,
is
the
time
to
propose
it.
Because
we
are
coming
to
the
end
of
our
process
and
we
will
be
making
a
decision
about
the
charter.
A
J
That,
secondly,
I
participated
in
a
webinar
a
week
ago,
which
was
a
group
of
people
that
were
looking
at
public
safety
equity
evidence
inside
of
better
policy
making,
and
these
academic
people
did
a
very
good
job
of
providing
a
recommended
list
of
resources
on
this
issue
as
well
as
speakers-
and
I
don't
know
if
we
are
going
to
have
a
report
whether
or
not
you
might
want
to
include
those
that
kind
of
information
in
the
report,
so
people
could
take
a
look
at
it.
One
of
the
things
these
people
talked
about.
J
So
they
pointed
out
very
strongly
that
if
you
are
really
going
to
do
a
job
of
trying
to
figure
out
a
better
way
of
running
a
police
department,
you
really
need
to
spend
time
on
figuring
out.
First
of
all,
what
you
want
to
measure
and
then
measure
it
properly
and
some
of
these
citations
they
have
are
from
people
who
have
tried
to
do
that
in
different
parts
of
the
country
and
are
recommending
different
ways
of
doing
that.
Again,
I
don't
know
if
you
want
that
information
or
not,
but
if
you
do,
I
have
it.
A
Great
thank
you
and
we
can
see
to
it
that
it
gets
into
limbs.
Thank
you.
Casey
carl
reminded
us
that
that
his
office
is
working
on
research,
about
comparable
jurisdictions,
and
that
will
be
ready
for
us
to
view
in
the
next
couple
of
weeks
as
well.
J
I
Me
out
out
of
fairness,
I
should
say
the
clerk's
office
submitted
that
request
to
the
coordinator's
office.
The
coordinator's
office
is
conducting
that
research
and
I
would
expect
in
the
next
few
weeks
they
would
be
able
to
respond
back
with
a
fairly
comprehensive
analysis
of
the
selected
comparable
jurisdictions
in
terms
of
structure
oversight,
police
budgets,
things
like
that
that
were
of
interest
in
terms
of
level
setting
how
these
other
comparable
jurisdictions
have
their
police
departments
established,
and
so
I,
to
the
extent
that
that
may
be
instructive
or
informative
to
your
ultimate
report.