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A
B
Of
the
50th
in
france,
special
service
district
advisory
board
will
now
begin
good
afternoon.
My
name
is
michael
mclaughlin.
I
will
be
facilitating
this
meeting
of
the
50th
and
france
special
service
district.
Before
we
begin
I'd
like
to
note
that
this
meeting
includes
the
remote
participation
of
members
as
authorized
under
minnesota
statute,
section
13d
.021
due
to
the
declared
local
health
pandemic.
I
will
now
call
this
meeting
to
order
and
call
the
role
so
that
we
verify
the
presence
of
a
quorum
board
members.
When
I
call
your
name,
please
indicate
if
you
are
present
heidi.
B
B
Say
it
one
more
time,
heidi
present
got
it
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
delay
after
you
hit
mute.
Robert
sites
present
got
it
steve
young
is
not
present.
I
will
also
note
I've
been
joined
by
andrew
carlson
and
david
bauer
from
minneapolis
public
works
there
being
a
quorum
of
advisor
board.
Members
present.
We
will
proceed.
The
first
two
agenda
items
can
be
adopted
as
one
item.
That
would
be
the
proposed
agenda,
which
was
distributed
in
the
agenda
and
distributed
in
the
meeting
packet
and
posted
to
the
city's
website.
B
The
second
item
would
be
the
acceptance
of
the
april
1st
2021
minutes
that
were
also
distributed
in
the
packet
and
posted
to
the
city's
website.
Would
someone
like
to
make
a
motion
to?
Is
there
any
discussion
on
those
items?
Otherwise,
someone
could
make
a
motion
to
approve
those
items
if
they
wish.
A
B
A
B
Very
good
there
being
no
further
discussion.
I
will
call
the
roll
on
the
motion
to
approve
the
agenda
as
distributed
and
the
minutes.
As
drafted
heidi
bing,
I'm
looking.
B
B
B
The
since
the
group
met
in
april,
the
50th
and
france
business
association
reached
out
to
the
ssd
team
in
may
indicating
that
they
were
in
need
of
some
supplemental
services
to
provide
services
that
the
business
association
had
historically
provided,
specifically
in
the
form
of
emptying
10
decorative
trash
receptacles
that
are
located
on
the
minneapolis
side
of
the
of
the
business
district,
along
with
watering
and
providing
other
weeding
and
debris.
B
Removal
maintenance
for
29
sidewalk
planters
that
the
business
association
historically
has
maintained
on
the
minneapolis
side
of
the
business
district.
After
talking
with
them,
and
speaking
with
a
third-party
contractor
that
could
provide
those
services,
public
works
was
able
to
agree
to
provide
those
services
on
a
fee-for-service
basis
to
empty
those
trash.
B
Receptacles
and
provide
watering
and
other
maintenance
to
the
to
the
sidewalk
planters
for
the
remainder
of
this
year,
with
the
understanding
that
those
services
would
be
invoiced
back
to
the
business
association
at
the
conclusion
of
each
month
for
the
prior
months
services.
B
So
that
is
what
has
been
happening
with
the
with
the
trash
receptacles
since
mid-may
along
with
the
sidewalk
planters,
I
will
note
that
the
business
association
did
coordinate
on
their
own
and
installed
the
the
plant
material,
the
summer
plant
material
for
this
growing
season.
B
So
the
the
services
provided
by
public
works
at
this
point
again
are
watering
of
those
sidewalk
planters,
removal
of
any
debris
that
might
collect
in
them
and
so
forth,
and
then
on
the
trash
receptacles.
What
we
have
found
is
twice
a
week,
servicing
frequency
or
the
number
of
times
a
week.
B
The
receptacles
are
emptied
has
proven
sufficient
to
ensure
that
there
are
not
overflowing
full
or
overflowing
trash
receptacles
in
the
district
on
the
minneapolis
side
fast
forward
to
to
about
two
weeks
ago,
as
per
the
agreement,
we
had
sent
out,
the
ssd
team
had
sent
over
an
invoice
to
the
business
association.
B
A
services
and
the
business
association
responded
with
a
request
that
the
ssd
consider
would
the
ssd
consider
taking
on
these
services
going
forward,
as
the
business
association
has
gone
through.
You
know
some
transition
period,
both
on
a
staffing
level,
as
well
as
some
financial
challenges
due
to
the
as
communicated
to
us,
with
the
art,
fair
being
canceled
both
last
year
and
this
year.
B
B
We
felt
that
we
did
have
a
short
window,
so
that
is
what
can
brought
brings
us
all
together
today,
whether
the
group
wants
to
consider
adding
these
services
as
part
of
its
2022
budget.
B
With
that,
let
me
further
describe
that.
Again.
There
are
ten
trash
receptacles
on
the
minneapolis
side.
We
do
have
a
map
that
we
can
email
to
to
the
board,
so
you
can
see
those
locations.
B
We
do
not
at
this
point
have
a
map
of
the
planters,
but
we
know
that
there
are
29
of
them
on
the
minneapolis
side
and
we
can
take
these
one
at
a
time.
They
do
not
need
to
be
batched.
B
Let
me
speak
to
you
because
we
presume
that
there
would
be
questions
about
costs,
so
I've
done
some
very
you
know,
sort
of
rough
estimates
using
costs.
We
do
have
other
districts
that
have
sidewalk
planters
and
we
have
many
districts
that
maintain
empty
their
trash,
their
public
trash
receptacles.
So
using
costs
extrapolated
from
those
other
districts,
the
estimated
costs
for
a
12
month,
so
annual
cost
for
servicing
the
trash
receptacles
twice
a
week
year
round.
B
All
10
of
them
is
approximately
4
200.
So
again,
that's
an
annualized
cost
on
the
sidewalk
planters,
assuming
29
planters,
to
remove
so
sort
of
what
we
typically
have
the
program
we
typically
have
for
sidewalk
planters
is
both
a
summer
plant
planting
as
well
as
a
winter
seasonal,
decor
planting.
B
So
the
estimate
for
both
of
those
for
a
12
month
again,
an
annualized
cost
for
the
sidewalk
planters
based
on
a
quantity
of
29,
would
be
approximately
13
000
400
roughly
and
I'm
happy
to
jump
into
the
details
on
that,
but
just
to
be
clear,
what's
included
in
that
would
be
planting
them,
planting
the
planters
getting
them
ready
for
a
spring
planting
in
may
purchasing
and
installing
the
the
spring,
the
flowers
in
may
maintaining
them
throughout
the
growing
season,
estimating
that
we
would
water
them
approximately
one
to
two
times
a
week
during
the
growing
season.
B
So
that
assumes
40
waterings
of
all
the
the
sidewalk
planters,
which
is
pretty
typical
for
districts
that
have
sidewalk
planters
and
then
removal
of
any
you
know
if
there's
any
garbage
or
anything
that's
collected
in
them
that
would
be
removed
at
the
time
of
watering.
B
It
would
be
at
the
end
of
the
growing
season
so
think
about
october,
when
we
have
that
first
hard
frost,
we
typically
go
in
and
remove
the
summer
plant
material
and
then,
typically
in
early
november,
we
would
come
in
and
install
the
winter
greening,
which
typically
is
in
the
form
of
spruce
tips
and
other.
You
know,
sort
of
evergreen
type
decor
that
is
installed
and
then
left
in
the
planters
until
typically
february
or
march
of
the
following
spring
there.
There
really
isn't
any
maintenance
on
the
winter
side,
as
you
can
imagine
we
don't.
B
We
don't
have
to
you,
know
obviously
water
these
in
the
winter,
so
that
all
in
is
what
comes
out
to
that.
You
know
call
it
thirteen
thousand
five
hundred
dollar
a
year
number
for
for
all
of
that,
based
on
a
quantity
of
29
planters
so
and
then
just
to
put
it
in
the
context.
B
So
the
the
budget
that
had
been
adopted
on
on
april
1st
both
of
these
services
would
fit
into
the
the
district
has
two
major
budget
line
items
one
is
for
district-wide
services
and
the
other
is
for
parking
lot
operations
of
the
ewing
parking
lot.
Both
the
trash
receptacles,
as
well
as
the
planters,
would
fit
into
your
district-wide
services.
So
that
is
what
is
charged
based
on
a
lineal
frontage
basis
to
all
commercial
properties
within
the
district
boundaries.
B
The
the
budget
recommendation
as
of
april
1st
for
next
year
was
92
000.,
so
that
was
eighty
three
thousand
dollars
budgeted
for
snow.
Fifty
five
hundred
dollars
budgeted
for
sidewalk
litter
and
debris
management.
So
that's
the
pan
and
brew
and
graffiti
abatement
and
and
removing
the
weeds
from
the
sidewalks
and
then
3
500.
B
I'm
sorry!
I
misspelled
graffiti
abatement
was
part
of
the
streetscape
maintenance
light
item
of
3500,
along
with
watering
a
boulevard
tree.
So
what
we
would
propose
if
the
group
would
like
to
move
forward
with
this
request
would
be
that
the
sidewalk
trash
receptacle
services
would
be
added
to
the
sidewalk,
litter
and
debris
management
line,
subline
item
in
the
budget
and
that
the
planter
maintenance
would
fall
into
the
streetscape
maintenance
and
repair
line
item.
B
So
you
know
the
rough
estimate
combining
the
two
just
before
we
open
it
up
for
discussion
would
be
approximately
a
seventeen
thousand
five
hundred
dollar
increase
for
both
trash
and
planters,
assuming
full
quantity
of
both
very
much
subject
to
conversation.
So
just
everyone
has
line
of
sight
on
it
that
that
first
line
item
of
district-wide
services
would
need
to
increase
from
92
000
to
we
need
to
add
this
additional
17,
500
or
subject
to
the
conversation
today.
Whatever
the
the
group
decides,
it
might
want
to
do
if
anything.
B
So
with
that
I'll
pause
and
if
you
both
would
like
to
unmute
or
we'll
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
B
A
Do
have
a
couple
questions.
Please
are
who's
going
to
maintain
ownership?
Are
they
going
to
maintain
ownership
of
the
receptacles
and
the
planters,
or
do
we
have
to
accept
those
yeah.
B
A
Okay,
second
question
is:
throughout
the
summer,
some
of
the
flowers
are
gonna
fail.
Does
this
include
replanting
as
needed.
B
It
does
not
oh
go
ahead.
Bob.
A
Sorry,
we
probably
should
anticipate
that
that
might
be
necessary
in
order
to
keep
the
appearance
up
that
they're.
Looking
for.
A
I
don't
know
what
flowers
they're
going
to
use,
but
some
of
them
are
pretty
durable
and
and
then,
if
it's
things
like
you
get
spatunias
on
out
there,
they
need
to
be
plucked
to
keep
them
blooming.
So
I
I
don't
know
that
would
be
something
to
maybe
clarify
with
the
vendor.
B
I
yes
good
question,
so
what
we
have
found
in
the
other
districts
that
have
sidewalk
planters
is
the
one
we
tend
to
zero
in
on
those
plants
that
have
the
best
survivability
in
a
sidewalk
planter
in
our
climate
zone.
So
we
typically
have
not
had
to
replace
very
many
plants
mid-season.
B
But
what
we
do
find,
unfortunately,
is
that
when
the
plants
first
go
in
and
they're
they're
they're
still
small
and
easy
to
pluck
out,
if
you
will
that
sometimes
we
have
members
of
the
public
that
will
remove
plants
and
either
you
know,
take
them
home
or
we've
also,
unfortunately
had
instances
where
people
were
don't,
apparently
don't
like
flowering
plants,
so
they'll
take
them
out
and
throw
them
on
the
ground
oftentimes.
B
But
we
haven't
seen
that
we
have
to
replace
it's
a
good
question
bob,
but
we
mid-season
we
haven't
had
a
lot
of
plant
replacement
in
in
the
the
districts
that
have
sidewalk
planters.
Now
it's
certainly
something
we
could
budget
for
if
desired,
and
it's
certainly
something
we
could
do.
It's
just
not
proven
needed
so
far.
C
Questions
and
comments:
well,
I'm
just
I'm
just
wondering
if
we
could
perhaps
have
less
than
29
planters
I
mean
do
we
need
to
have
29
planters.
That's
all
I'm
just
wondering
like
just
to
keep
the
cost
down.
I
I
mean
I
don't,
I
think
10
garbage
cans
is
necessary,
but
I
was
just
wondering
how
you
feel
about
that
bob.
A
Well,
since
we
don't
know
where
they
are,
and
since
this
has
been
the
the
practice
I
would
say,
we
should
probably
leave
it
in
to
start
and
then
as
a
as
an
advisory
board
and
try
to
keep
an
eye
on
it
a
little
bit
and
see
you
know
as
we
learn
a
little
bit
and
see
if
that
might
be
something
we
would
want
to
consult
with
the
business
association
and
see
if
whether
they
have
objections
to
us
removing
some,
but
for
right
now,
since
there
seems
to
be
some
urgency,
I'm
going
to
suggest
we
stay
with.
A
B
And
just
a
couple
thoughts,
so
one
heidi
to
your
question:
the
the
board
could
certainly
come
back
and
say
you
know
we'll
maintain
15
of
them,
half
of
them
you
know
and
and
that
that
would
that
certainly
is
a
possible
response
that
the
group
could
have
so
there.
B
It
is
not
an
all-or-nothing
proposition,
the
once
the
district
were
to
take
these
over
and
assuming
that
they
are
donated,
certainly
as
a
courtesy
we
could
reach
out
to
the
business
association,
but
they
they
would
effectively
be
transferring
all
responsibility
to
to
the
service
district
and
the
city
of
minneapolis.
B
So
while
we
could
again
as
a
as
a
courtesy
reach
out
to
them
and
ask
for
their
thoughts
at
the
end,
just
so
everyone's
clear
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
city
of
minneapolis
would
look
to
the
ssd
advisory
board
on
what
to
recommend
there.
We
would
not.
We
could
not
defer
to
the
business
association
since
it.
It
would
be
an
ssd
responsibility
at
that
point,
yeah
of
course,.
B
Yep
and
then,
and
just
to
walk
through
a
scenario
like
if
you,
if
the
group
said
you
know,
hey
we'll,
take
on
15,
you
know
just
to
play
it
out,
like
the
business
association
then
could
decide
if
they
wanted
to
find
the
funds
to
continue
to
maintain
the
other
14
in
just
in
the
scenario
or
if
they
wanted
to
remove
them.
So
there
there
there
is,
you
know
again
kind
of
ways
to
slice
and
dice
this,
just
so
everybody's
clear
and
on
what
the
options
are
part
about.
B
Why
you
know
we
certainly
recognize
that
this
would
be
on
a
percentage
basis,
a
pretty
substantial
increase
or
would
result
in
a
substantial
increase
in
service
charges
going
into
next
year
for
the
district-wide
services.
So
we
certainly
want
to
make
sure
the
group
understands
what
the
what
all
the
options
look
like.
A
Okay,
if,
if
we
decide
that
we,
we
can't
maintain
as
many
and
we
want
the
business
association
to
do
it,
can
they
contract
with
us
to
do
it.
B
A
So
we
could
actually
accept
payment
from
the
business
association
for
those
receptacles
that
we
won't
be
billing
or
assessing
for
yeah.
B
Main
item
yeah
to
be
clear:
that's
what's
happening
now:
it's
not
technically
being
invoiced
by
the
service
district,
it's
being
invoiced
by
minneapolis
public
works.
We
happen
to
be
using
the
ssd
streetscape
vendor
to
provide
these
services,
but
it
so
just
it's
a
little
nuanced.
It
probably
doesn't
mean
that
much,
but
that's
what
we
are
doing
now
a
fee
for
service
basis.
A
So
I
think
this
in
some
ways,
is
better
than
what
was
going
on
before
looking
at
it.
From
the
point
of
view
of
you
know:
property
owner
in
the
district.
B
The
the
business
association
had
been
candid
with
us
that
another
factor,
in
addition
to
the
the
loss
of
the
art,
fair
revenue,
was
the
drop
in
membership
due
revenue.
So
that
is
consistent
with
what
has
been
described
to
us.
B
I
behave
if
it's
helpful.
I
could
run
through
sort
of
what
the
amended
an
amended
recommendation
would
look
like
if
the
group
was
inclined
to
adopt
these
just
so
everybody
had
the
numbers
and
again
normally,
I
would
share
my
screen,
but
this
is
going
to
be
less.
I
have
less
utility
because
you
guys
can't
see
it
so
I'll,
just
verbally
walk
through
the
numbers,
so
on
the
if
you're,
looking
at
the
budget
that
recommendation
that
had
been
approved
back
on
august
or
august
april,
1.
B
You
will
note
under
district-wide
services
the
original
uses,
so
I'll
start
with
those
snow
services
was
83
000
that
would
remain
sidewalk,
litter
and
debris
management
would
shift
from
would
increase
from
5500.
B
to
96.60
960
based
on
these
estimates,
and
then
the
streetscape
maintenance
and
repair
would
increase
from
3500
to
sixteen
thousand
eight
hundred
and
forty
dollars.
So
the
total
uses
would
shift
from
ninety
two
thousand
dollars
in
terms
of
what
the
budgeted
forecast
would
be
to
a
hundred
nine
thousand
five
hundred
dollars
for
for
the
district-wide
services
and
then
moving
up
to
the
sources
on
the
revenue
side.
The
original
budget
recommendation
was
had
service
charges
next
year
for
district-wide
services
set
at
106
536.
B
Part
of
that
was
to
to
cover
a
deficit
from
year
in
2020
or
14
536,
so
that
deficit
would
remain
that
that
would
have
to
be
recouped
and
the
total
service
charges
line
item
would
go
from
106
thousand
thirty
six
to
a
hundred
and
twenty
four
thousand
zero.
Three
six
in
this
scenario:
okay,
I'm.
D
A
Okay,
I
think
that
the
budget
that
I
have
this
is
the
april
1st
budget.
Yes,
yes,
okay,
I
don't
have
those
numbers
appearing
on
it.
I
have
a
total
of
143
1036
dollars
for
the
charges
imposed.
A
A
B
A
month
it's
25
permits
at
140
dollars
a
month
or
140
dollars
a
year,
a.
B
A
Okay,
hence
the
so
we
probably
should
have
that
corrected
before
we
forward
this.
Okay.
B
A
Through,
oh,
okay,
okay,
so
that
you
just
are
adding
what
the
new
ones
would
be.
Yeah.
B
I
was
just
adding
the
estimated
costs
based
on
our
extrapolated
estimate,
which
is
the
best
information
we
have
to
to
those
existing
numbers.
A
B
So
the
the
amended
just
to
walk
through
those
the
total
then.
B
B
And
just
so,
everyone
has
lined
a
site
on
it,
not
to
dissuade
or
sway
one
the
board
members
one
way
or
the
other
the
current
year
service
charges.
So
what
everybody
paid
this
year,
combined
between
line
item
number
one
and
line
item
number
two
was
131
500,
so
just
so,
everyone
again
has
line
of
sight
on
it.
This
would
result
in
a
increase
of
approximately
22
percent.
B
Okay,
again
not
a
reason
not
to
move
forward
because
they're,
certainly
as
described
there
are
reasons
to
consider
moving
forward
just
since
that
is
a
bigger
number
than
is
typical
for
most
boards
from
one
year
to
the
next.
We
just
want
to
make
sure
that
ford
understood
the
implications.
C
Yeah,
I
want
to
say
so
I
I
don't
know
that
where
those
planters
are,
when
you
told
me
there
were
29
in
the
minneapolis
side.
I
was
like
what
that
seems
like
so
many,
so
I
do
want
to.
I
know
bob
you
want
to
like
kind
of
keep
it
the
same,
but
I
am
curious
to
know
if
we
just
spaced
them
out
more
and
got
rid
of.
You
know
just
an
effort
to
keep
the
cost
down
for
them
like.
If
we
did
get
rid
of.
C
You
know
a
few
eight
of
them
or
nine
of
them.
Would
that
really
make
an
impact
aesthetically?
Are
we
gonna
p?
Are
people
gonna
miss
the
planters
is
what
I
mean
I've
been.
I
don't
know.
I
have
never
gotten
any
feedback
that
people
like
the
planters,
they
don't
like
the
planters
and
then
now,
if
I,
if
people
are
actually
pulling
plants
out
of
there,
then
I'm
thinking
oh
well,
and
that
might
just
be.
I
don't
know
if
you
think,
like
that's
just
kids,
you
know
doing
it
or
something
it's
not
like.
B
D
B
Been
a
maintenance
responsibility
for
the
district,
so
honestly
it
just
hasn't
been
something
we
would
track.
A
C
Yeah
I
mean
my
feeling
for
that
is
like,
maybe
maybe
we
can
have
less
planters
in
an
effort
to
keep
the
costs
down,
and
you
know
I
don't
know
how
what
the
number
would
be,
and
I
actually
you
know,
I
don't
know
how
we
could
space
them
out
differently
and
things
like
that,
because
I
don't
have
a
map,
I
don't
really
quite
know
where
they
all
are,
but
that's
what
my
feeling
is.
A
A
So
I
I
think
that's
something
that
we
should
work
with
the
business
association
about
and
possibly
even
through
the
year
we
might
be
able
to
to
make
some
adjustments,
but
in
terms
of
budget,
I'm
thinking,
maybe
we
should
just
budget
for.
B
It
bob
just
to
build
on
that
point
you
you
could
budget
for
it,
so
we
would
assume
we
were
going
to
service
it,
but
if
there
is
are
further
conversations
with
the
business
association,
where
again,
I'm
making
this
up
I'll
just
say
the
district
takes
15
of
them
takes
over
for
15
of
them,
and
the
business
association
continues
to
at
least
have
financial
responsibility
for
the
remaining
ones.
B
While
we
are
budgeting
for
it
and
we'll
collect
the
service
charge
revenue,
if
those
dollars
don't
need
to
be
spent
because
the
business
association
continues
to
accept
some
financial
responsibility
for
these,
I
think
that's
the
way
I
want
to
see
that,
but
they
that
those
those
dollars
could
then
just
be
repurposed
other
line
items
and
or
be
be
used
as
a
surplus
for
future
years.
So
if
we
don't
just
because
you're
budgeting
for
the
money
doesn't
mean
we
have
to
spend
it
that
way,.
C
B
B
If
they're,
the
group
put
just
again
understand
the
art
of
the
possible
not
make
a
change
in
your
budget.
Recommendation
for
2022
continue
the
conversations
with
the
business
association
and
a
year
from
now
when
you're
setting
your
2023
budget.
If
more
of
these
details
potentially
worked
out,
so
you
could,
you
know
basically,
response
could
be
business
association,
continue
your
responsibility
for
this
year
next
year,
but
the
ssd
might
consider
for
2023..
So
I
just
want
to
again
describe
the
art
of
the
possible
not
to
sway
the
group
one
way
or
the
other.
A
I
I
think
that
is
the
way
we
should
go.
It's
there's
been
there's
been
this
tradition
on
the
corner
of
having
those
planters
and
I
I
I
think
to
try
to
make
changes
on
the
fly
in
terms
to
make
the
budget
smaller.
A
A
Does
the
the
city
or
the
business
association
then
have
to
take
on
the
maintenance?
And
I
don't
know
it
would
even
have
the
mattership
if
they
don't
have
the
membership?
That's
that
may
not
even
be
feasible
for
them
really.
B
And
so
there
are
so
that's
in
this
scenario
where
the
group
were
to
say
you
know
the
the
existing
you
know.
The
status
quo
would
remain,
at
least
through
the
end
of
2022,
the
the
business
association,
because
these
are
their
their
fixtures.
B
They
would
have
the
ability,
you
know
they
could
pull
items
in
you
know
or
remove
them
store
them,
so
they
didn't
have
to
plant
them
and
maintain
them
so
there
they
would
have
options
just
like
they
do
now
for
for
these
items
so
and
if
they
want
to
continue
the
existing
fee-for-service
relationship,
we
could
do
that
as
well,
so
by
the
advisory
board.
Saying
hey
we
want
to
in
the
scenario
where
the
group
would
wait
until
a
year
from
now
and
think
about
it.
B
For
2023
the
it
doesn't
mean
the
planters
and
the
trash
receptacles
would
have
to
go
away.
That
would
be
a
business
association
decision,
but
we
could
continue
the
fee
for
service
arrangement,
so.
A
Let's
see,
I
seem
to
recall
in
conversation
michael
that
they
did
have
some
capacity
if
we
didn't
go
along
with
this,
was
that
am
I
remembering.
B
We
presume
they
did,
because
I
mean
candidly
and
maeve
they
they
agreed.
You
know
we
mutually
agreed
on
how
the
this
was
gonna.
The
services
were
gonna,
be
provided
this
year,
so
we
we
certainly
presume
that
they
they
accepted
that
financial
responsibility
in
good
faith,
understanding
that
they
would
be
expected
to
to
cover.
You
know
the
financial
costs
that
they
said
they
would
incur
so
from
that.
We
assume
that
they
have
some
financial
capacity
to
to
or
have
not,
some
have
the
financial
capacity
to
continue
to
serve
by
these
solutions.
A
Maybe
coming
to
your
point
of
view
here,
but
to
to
see
if
we
could,
for
at
least
2022,
go
back
to
the
association
for
a
percentage
of
them.
B
Well,
so
we
could,
then
you
would
need
to
include
something
in
your
2022
budget
if
you
want
to
incur
any
cost,
though,
if
you
want
the
ssd
or
any
cost,
okay,
so
well,
so
it's
the
same,
you
know
if
you
think
you
might
want
to
incur
expenses
for
the
either
of
these
services
or
both
of
them
in
2022.
B
We
would
need
that
recommendation
today.
If
you
think
you
want
to
wait
and
defer
this
to
2023
so
a
year
from
now,
when
you're
we're
setting
your
2023
budget,
recognizing
that
that
would
allow
for
more
time
to
more
discussion
to
happen
between
with
the
business
association.
B
They
you
know,
the
the
business
association
would
continue
there
to
have
their
financial
responsibility
and
or
the
ability
to
remove
some
or
all
of
these
fixtures
to
therefore
end
their
expense
responsibility.
If
that
makes
sense,
so
they
would
have
that
option.
They
have
that
option
now.
C
A
One
thought
I
have
is:
maybe
we
pick
up
the
trash
receptacle
costs
and
they
continue
with
the
flowers.
A
We
could
discuss
you
know
in
the
coming
year
before
we
set
the
2023
budget,
just
what
they
want
to
do
with
the
planters
if
they
feel
they
need
all
of
them.
C
A
B
Oh,
that's
certainly
a
possibility,
as
I
said
early
on
in
our
discussion,
yeah
these
these
there's
two
requests
and
they
can
be
very
much
handled
separately
but
separate
from
one
another.
So.
A
B
We
are
yes,
if,
if
the
district
agrees
to
maintain
these,
then
yes,
that
would
be
part
of
the
maintenance
is
watering
them.
So
if
you
say
the
district
will
take
over
the
responsibility
for
summer
or
all
of
the
planters
part
of
that
annual
maintenance
would
include
the
watering
okay.
B
Yeah,
so
the
in
the
numbers
that
I'm
using
the
the
summer
plant
material
estimating
at
about
twenty
six
hundred
dollars
the
same
with
the
winter
plant
material,
that's
for
all
of
the
planters
combined,
so
that,
just
to
give
you
a
sense
of
how
that
cost
breakdown
breaks
down
the
watering
costs
for
the
for
the
growing
season
are
estimated
at
just
about
five
thousand
dollars.
I'm
kind
of
rounding
these
numbers.
D
B
A
Okay,
not
being
able
to
see
the
numbers
that
you
obviously
have.
A
What
what
would
the
obligation
be
if
we
did
that
fraction
if
we
did
the
the
trash
component
and
did
the
watering
component
for
the
planters?
What
would
that
total
be.
B
So
business
association
does
everything
else,
but
district
degrees
provide
the
watering
only
along
with
providing
doing
year-round
trash
receptacle
service.
That
would
be
approximately.
Let's
call
it
ninety
five
hundred
dollars.
Okay,.
A
And
taking
it
out
at
the
end
of
each
season
in
this.
B
It
would
still
be
a
so
I
my
quick
calculations
the
year
over
year.
Percentage
increase
would
be
about
16.
Part
of
that,
though,
is
you
have
to
recover
that
14
000?
You
have
to
recoup
that
14
000..
So
that's
the
thing.
That's
also
increasing
service
charges,
because
you
have
that
the
14
000
deficit
from
the
year
before
so
there's
two
things
that
would
cause
the
service
charges
to
increase.
They
were
already
increased,
just
so
everybody's
clear.
A
A
C
Yeah,
I
would
I'd,
feel
comfortable
just
doing
a
smaller
percentage
of
that
and
then
maybe
thinking
about
it
for
the
budget
of
2023
like
recon,
you
know
reconfiguring
the
number
for
the
planters
and
and
just
thinking
about
it
and
getting
more
information
about
that
to
make
a
better
informed
decision,
but
I
yeah
I
would
I'd
be
comfortable
with
that
yeah.
What
you
proposed,
okay,.
B
We're
also
re-bidding
both
of
the
district's
main
contracts.
The
snow
contract
is
actually
out
on
the
street
right
now
and
is
doing
a
couple
weeks.
The
gave
maintenance
services
will
follow
in
a
couple
weeks.
A
C
A
And
then,
if
we
go
ahead
with
this,
michael
you'll
be
dealing
with
the
association
to
let
them
know
what.
B
We're
doing
we
would
communicate
what
the
the
actions
the
board
took
to
the
business
association
explain,
you
know,
provide
the
background.
You
know
per
the
discussion
and
then
sort
of
you
know
work
with
them
to
try
to
effectuate
this,
assuming
they
they
will.
They
agree
and
if
assuming
they
do
agree,
you
know
we
can
certainly
do
this
and
then,
if
they
don't,
then
the
dollars
would
again
just
stay
in
your
budget
and
be
available
to
spend
elsewhere.
A
Okay,
I
do
have
one
other
point
that
we
probably
ought
to
attend
to
with
this.
If
we
go
ahead
like
this,
I
think
that
in
in
2022,
then
the
association
should
maintain
possession
of
the
of
the
waste
receptacles
and
the
and
the
actual
planters.
A
B
You
know,
I
think
I
appreciate
the
point
bob.
I
think
we
just
need
to
do
a
little
bit
more
investigation
in
part,
because
technically
the
way
these
things
all
these
fixtures
are
out
there
now
is
the
business
association,
whether
they
have
one
or
not,
they
are
technically
are
supposed
to
have
a
cultural
permit,
and
this
therefore,
is
private
property
that
the
ssd
is
maintaining.
So,
I
think,
give
us
a
chance
just
to
connect
with
the
city
attorney's
office
to
see
what
guidance
they
provide
us.
B
You
know
understanding
the
sentiment
that,
if,
if
the
city
doesn't
need
to
accept
ownership
for
a
technical
reason
that
that
sounds
like
it
would
be
the
preferred
way
to
go
part
of
what
happens
though,
and
and
I'm
just
I
don't
know
what
the
answer
is
going
to
be.
But
there
is
a
liability
responsibility
that
comes
with
this,
and
in
fact
we
have
there.
B
So
so,
for
that
reason,
there's
just
a
few
things
we
need
to
sort
out,
I'm
just
being
candid,
I
just
don't
know
the
answer
to
it,
but
I
do
know
that
you
know
part
of
what
happens
when
you
put
stuff
out
being
an
encroachment
permit
as
a
private
entity.
You
are
taking
all
liability
responsibility
for
that
fixture
being
there.
B
So
if
someone
hits
it
or
is
injured
because
that
fixture
is
there,
it
is
your
financial
responsibility
to
to
you
know:
you're
responsible,
for
any
claims
is
the
way
to
say
it
so
sort
of
gray
area
in
between.
We
would
need
some
guidance
from
the
attorneys
city
attorney's
office
on
yeah.
I
would.
A
My
my
guess
is
that,
if
we're
involved
with
these
things
in
any
way,
the
city
is
also
a
target
for
a
suit,
even
though
they
may
not
be
found
liable
in
the
end,
it's
you
sue
the
people
who
have
the
money
you
know
and
the
business
association
doesn't
have
it.
A
B
B
It
so
with
that.
Just
to
so
we
have
a
formal
recommendation.
The
could
we
could.
I
describe
the
numbers
again
and
if
the,
if
someone's
making
is
comfortable
making
a
motion
to
adopt
a
revised
budget
recommendation
for
2022.
A
Yeah,
could
I
make
the
motion
in
this
way
that
we
as
the
ssd
we
agree
to
take
on
the
the
the
maintenance
of
the
of
the
flowers
and
the
handling
of
the
trash
receptacles
for
2022,
and
that
the
precise
estimate
of
those
numbers
is
to
be
coming
from
staff
to
represent
those?
A
Or
do
you
have
to
have
numbers?
I
think
it.
D
You
can
do
it.
We
have,
I
think,
a
very
good
estimate
in
terms
of
what
those
services
cost-
and
you
know
the
goal
of
today's
meeting-
is
to
determine
whether
or
not
we
want
to
adjust
the
2022
budget.
D
Obviously
any
of
those
funds
that
would
not
be
spent
would
still
be
available
to
the
district,
so
I
don't
know
what
further
I
mean
this
is
our
chance
to
to
modify
that
budget.
I
I
mean
we
have
already
set
the
public
hearing
for
this
yeah.
I
don't
think
there's
an
opportunity
to
meet
again.
B
Right,
no,
I
think
what
he's
saying
is:
are
we
comfortable
with
them
allowing
us
to
set
the
final
numbers
since
we
right
bob?
That's?
That
was
your.
That
was
the
way
you.
A
B
A
And
you're
going
to
just
throw
these
into
the
two
items
that
are
already
there:
the
litter
and
debris
management
and.
B
So
what
I'm
about
to
do
is
I
will.
I
will
walk
through
the
line
item
amounts
that
will
be
reflected
in
the
final
budget
that
will
be
presented
to
to
ratepayers
and
to
the
city
council.
B
So,
for
line
budget
line
item
number
one
district
wide
services
under
sources
service
charge
revenue
would
be
116
216
the
applied
surplus.
In
this
case,
the
applied
deficit
from
two
years
prior
will
remain
at
fourteen
thousand
five
hundred
and
thirty
six
dollars.
B
We
there
is
the
2021
surplus
amount
is
not
yet
known,
so
that
will
remain
at
at
zero,
so
the
total
sources
would
be
a
hundred
and
one
thousand
six
hundred
and
eighty
dollars
on
the
uses
side
again
still
underground.
A
Wait
wait,
wait,
wait
a
minute.
That's
at
the
this
101
is
lower
than
116..
How
do
you
get
that
or
I'm
not
following
you.
B
Yeah,
because
one
is
a
positive
number
and
there's
the
deficit,
so
the
service
charges
are
not
the
same
as
the
sum
total
that
I
just
read:
okay,
so
those
are
the
available
funds
and
the
reason
we
do
that
is
the
101
680
101
680
is
going
to
match
the
uses.
The
sum
of
the
total
uses:
okay,
total
uses
being
sidewalk
snow
services,
eighty
three
thousand
dollars
sidewalk
litter
and
debris
management,
nine
thousand
six
hundred
and
sixty
dollars
and
streetscape
maintenance
and
repair
nine
thousand
twenty
dollars.
B
So
the
total
uses
will
be
a
hundred
and
one
thousand
six
hundred
and
eighty
which
equals
the
total
sources.
The
total
net
sources
is
the
best
way
to
describe
it
of
101
680
that
all
total.
Then,
when
we
add
the
parking
lot
operations
service
charges,
the
total
service
charges
imposed
in
2020
in
in
2022
excuse
me
would
be
152
716.
B
Okay,
and
so,
if
someone
would
like,
probably
if
you
want
to
make
a
motion
to
be
robust
recommendation
with
the
line
items,
as
stated,
I
think
that
would
work.
I.
C
B
B
Hearing
none,
I
will
call
the
role
on
the
motion
to
adopt
the
a
revised
2022
budget
and
work
plan
recommendation
id
bing
on
the
motion.
We're
voting.
B
Yay
robert
sykes,
yay
and
steve
young-
it's
not
impressive,
so
very
good.
We
have
a
revised
2022
budget
recommendation.
B
This
will
be
reflected
in
the
proposed
operating
plan
that
is
mailed
to
all
ssd
chargeable
rate
payers
in
late
august
or
early
september,
in
advance
of
the
public
hearing
that
will
be
held
in
september,
and
we,
as
stated
we
will,
we
will
email
to
the
group,
the
revised
budget,
so
everybody
has
it
the
budget
recommendation
and
we
will
communicate
the
both
the
outcome
of
today's
meeting
as
well
as
the
the
the
discussion
highlights
to
the
business
association
and
continue
to
work
with
them
towards
a
towards
the
solution
both
for
the
the
rest
of
this
year,
which
is
already
in
place
and
for
next
year
any
other
items
the
group
would
like
to
discuss.
B
Very
good
with
that,
we
will
thank
you
both
for
your
time
and
we
will
adjourn
this
meeting
at
209
and
we
will
send
out
further
information
via
email,
very
good.