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B
Okay,
all
right
all
right
so
again,
sorry
for
the
delay.
Folks,
thank
you
for
being
here
to
our
may
minneapolis
advisory
committee
on
people
with
disabilities
meeting
I
think,
first
off.
If
we
can
go
around
and
identify
and
introduce
yourself
in
your
ward
I'll
start.
This
can
chair
and
I
am
from
ward
3.
A
C
C
A
A
A
B
Okay,
so
let's
see
we
don't
we're
not
going
to
do
the
adoption
of
the
agenda
or
the
minutes.
I
think
we'll
just
go
ahead
with
our
presentations
and
at
the
end,
that's
not
on
the
agenda
is.
I
do
want
to
give
a
brief
and
an
update
with,
what's
going
on
with
the
no
parking
minimum
ordinance
that
was
passed
by
city
council
and
talk
about
some
next
steps
and
was
there
anything
else
that
we
were
going
to
add
to
that
update
nick.
F
F
F
It's
going
to
give
you
an
overview
of
that
and
then
also
give
an
overview
on
how
the
scooter
season
went
last
year
and
a
little
bit
of
what
we're
planning
on
this
year
and
then
hopefully
have
a
little
discussion
and
get
some
feedback
as
well,
so
for
mobility
hubs.
This
is
our
third
pilot
year.
We
went
from
about
12
locations
in
2019
to
about
25
last
year
and
we're
looking
about
25
or
30
in
this
season.
F
This
is
potentially
our
last
pilot
season,
trying
to
use
as
much
information
as
we
get
from
this
pilot
to
inform
our
capital
program
as
possible
and
doing
a
lot
of
expansion
on
what
does
the
mobility
hub
look
like
what
is
the
branding?
How
do
you
interact
with
it?
How
does
it
provide
more
information
to
riders
within
the
community?
F
What
is
a
mobility
hub?
We
define
it
as
a
place
where
people
can
connect
to
multiple
modes
of
transportation
that
make
their
trip
safer,
more
convenient
or
more
reliable.
So
it's
a
place
that
usually
is
anchored
by
transit,
but
you
can
hopefully
predictably
find
other
modes
of
transportation
as
well,
and
this
the
assumption
is
that
the
more
modes
that
are
developed
as
we
get
to
different
types
of
maybe
autonomous,
shuttles
or
electric
vehicle
car
share
programs
that
they
will
start
to
add
more
modes
to
the
mobility
hubs
over
time.
F
It
also
includes
a
lot
of
hopefully
other
amenities
that
make
riding
these
different
modes
more
comfortable,
so
we're
looking
at
lighting
concepts,
safety,
improvements
to
intersections
seating
areas,
potentially
other
types
of
amenities
like
restrooms
or
package
locker
systems,
wayfinding
helping
you
to
understand
when
is
the
next
bus
coming?
Where
is
the
closest
pickup
stop,
or
something
like
that?
And
we're
kind
of
testing
a
lot
of
these
amenities
now
to
see
based
on
certain
locations?
F
F
If
you
see
the
the
blue,
some
people
call
them
the
swiss
cheese
blocks
around
town
that
identifies
where
the
mobility
hubs
are.
We've
done
some
planting.
We've
done
a
lot
of
engagement
events
as
well,
so
trying
to
get
people
signed
up
for
the
low-income
programs
that
nice
ride
and
the
scooter
companies
have,
as
well
as
metro,
transit's,
transit
assistance
program.
F
F
One
other
thing
we've
been
really
looking
at
is
using
scooter
data
to
understand
how
the
mobility
hubs
are
impacting
ridership,
and
this
is
the
first
year
that
we
really
saw
a
connection
between
where
the
mobility
hubs
were
and
how
programming
also
impacted
ridership.
So
we
found
that
if
there
was
a
mobility
hub
installed,
it
increased
different
modes
ridership
and
if
we
did
programming
at
that
site
to
educate
people
about
proper
writing
and
getting
them
signed
up
for
low-income
programs
that
also
increased
ridership.
F
F
We
started
in
2018
and
it's
been
obviously
a
learning
curve
for
every
city.
That's
gotten
scooters.
Last
year
we
had
significant
drop
in
ridership
from
2018
to
2019
and
2020.
2019
was
the
biggest
year
with
over
a
million
trips.
Last
year
we
only
had
about
140
000
trips,
primarily
because
of
the
pandemic
and
state
home
orders,
as
well
as
no
one
really
commuting
to
work
anymore,
and
we
have
a
lot
of
these
were
previously
commute
trips
and
also
people
visiting
the
city
a
little
bit
less
as
well.
F
F
We
had
our
challenges,
of
course,
but
the
main
thing
that
was
really
important-
I
know
to
this
committee-
was
the
lock
two
requirement
and
making
a
significant
effort
to
make
sure
that
the
scooters
were
not
placed
in
the
clear
zone
and
out
of
the
way-
and
I
think
last
year,
because
the
ridership
was
significantly
down.
Complaints
were
also
down.
We
didn't
see
as
many
issues,
but
I
think
that
was
more
of
an
indication
of
ridership.
So
we're
really
watching
this
year
to
see
how
that
goes.
F
Some
people
are
doing
a
good
job
and
properly
parking
them
and
attaching
them
to
the
meter
hitches
and
to
bike
parking
and
others
or
not,
and
we
have
a
lot
of
plans
for
future
engagement
and
then
using
a
lot
of
the
artwork
that
you
can
see
in
the
slides
to
explain
to
people
why
you
don't
park
it
in
these
areas
and
how
it
can
really
impede
access.
We
also
put
up
these
signage.
F
That
explains
exactly
where
you
can
in
camp
park
and
why
at
mobility
hubs
and
we'll
continue
to
do
that
this
year
as
well,
and
do
as
many
education
programs
as
we
can
we
in
prior
to
the
2020
season,
we
installed
1500
of
those
loop
hitches
that
are
on
parking
meters,
so
trying
to
get
the
scooters
as
close
to
the
curb
and
cars
as
possible
and
away
from
curb
ramps
and
the
main
areas
on
the
sidewalk.
And
we
also
worked
with
university
of
minnesota
to
borrow
some
bike
racks
last
year.
F
To
also
help
us
consolidate
the
scooters
into
the
on-street
corral
areas,
as
well
as
at
the
mobility
hubs,
and
we're
gonna
be
doing
a
lot
of
work
in
continuing
to
map
bike,
racks
and
test
different
types
of
bike
parking
with
both
metro
transit
and
our
interns
this
summer.
So
hopefully
we'll
you
know
continue
to
invest
in
that
and
that
continues
to
improve
scooter.
Behavior,
like
I
mentioned,
complaints
were
down
significantly
in
2020.
F
It
take
into
account
like
the
drop
in
ridership.
Obviously
that
had
a
really
big
impact
on
it,
but
in
general
that
what
we
saw
from
the
companies
is
that
the
severity
of
the
complaints
are
coming
down.
So
people
are
learning
and
they're
getting
better
they're,
making
sure
that
you
know
I'm
seeing
a
lot
even
this
year.
F
F
So
we
did
specific
artwork
around
light
rail
stations,
local
bus
stops
and
high
capacity
bus
stops
to
try
and
show
why
it
is
that
you
would
never
park
a
vehicle
anywhere
near
these
areas
and
we
hope
that
that
continues
to
improve
behavior
and
then
the
last
thing
was
just
you
know
a
couple
questions
of
looking
for
feedback.
Are
there
any
improvements
that
you
would
like
to
continue
to
see
within
the
bike
and
scooter
share
programs,
whether
it's
nice
ride
or
with
lift
and
bird,
and
then
also
just
any
feedback
on
features?
E
Maybe
we
could
make
things
wider
for
the
nfl
football.
You
know
how
they
said.
We
have
those
big
legs
and
hips,
so
maybe
we
could
just
make
them
wider,
and
many
of
the
people
on
scooters
have
such
those
narrow
little
lanes.
Maybe
we
can
make
them
bigger
for
people,
I
don't
know.
What
do
you
think
it's
make
the
ride
a
little
bit
more
comfortable,
make
them
a
little
wider.
That's
my
question.
F
E
G
G
G
F
We
do
have
at
least
the
flexibility
with
some
of
these
that
if
the
construction
ends
at
some
point,
we
can
move
things
over
there,
since
it
is
all
still
temporary.
Nothing
is
besides
the
nice
ride
dock
stations.
Nothing
is
really
permanent,
so
we
can
move
things
pretty
easily
and
we're
pretty
adaptive
about
that.
F
G
F
F
G
We've
had
some
near
misses
this
year
already
due
to
the
construction
which
will
be
like,
I
said,
taking
place
the
reroute.
That's
even
rerouting
metro
transit
buses
down
this
path,
so
for
the
next
three
years,
so
it
it
really
needs
to
be
moved
either
further
down
or
things
rotated
further
up.
In
addition,
we're
seeing
with
the
construction
not
of
roads
but
of
new
high-rise
apartments,
we're
seeing
a
different
base
of
individuals
who
would
want
to
use
these
services
and
have
docking
stations
closer
to
them.
F
Depends
on
if
it's
in
that
acp
area
I'd
have
to
look
at
the
map,
but
what
one
thing
that
does
connect
them
with
the
new
tdm
ordinance.
Is
that
we're
giving
new
developments
that
are
high
density,
like
that
credit,
for
putting
in
more
of
the
bike
parking
to
support
that
which
then
would
get
would
make
it
an
ideal
place
for
them
to
place
them.
F
It's
a
really
good
question,
though.
I
want
to
look
at
maybe
where
the
the
boundaries
of
that
acp
are
versus
the
new
construction,
and
then
we
were
also
updating
our
bike
parking
map
to
make
sure
that
they're
being
deployed
to
areas
where
the
infrastructure
is
there
to
support
it
to
make
sure
that
it
stays
out
of
the
right-of-way,
especially
near,
like
you
said,
the
senior
towers
and.
G
Right,
that's
where
I
was
having
trouble
as
well.
I
think
I
don't
know
if
you
need
to
re-visit
some
of
those
based
on
the
the
new
density
during
the
the
course
of
your
pilot
or
or
what
your
parameters
are
to
do
that,
but
again
we're
seeing
you
know
in
an
uptick
of
new
building.
There
are
accessible
units
and
we
want
to
be
responsive
to
that
too.
So
I'll
end
there.
Thank
you
very
much
now.
F
That's
it's
really
helpful.
We,
the
acp
areas,
have
changed
dramatically
because
the
the
density
and
development
has
changed
dramatically,
which
is
why
I
reduced
the
numbers
of
required
scooters
for
that
area,
in
particular
because
of
the
changes,
so
that's
really
good
feedback
to
help
us
adjust
that
going
forward.
F
Just
for
the
pilot,
so
we
are
putting
them
in
the
areas
in
our
areas
of
concentrated
poverty
through
the
pilot
program
to
understand
our
most.
You
know
constrained
areas
as
well
as
areas
that
have
seen
significant
under
investment
in
the
past,
but
the
full
capital
mobility
hub
program
would
be
covering
the
entire
city
and
eventually
the
entire
twin
cities,
region
with
metro,
transit.
B
It's
it's
a
different
meaning
of
the
word
than
we
typically
interpret
when
we
hear
the
word
accessibility
and
for
us,
accessibility
means
access
to
the
devices
for
people
with
all
abilities,
and
I'm
I'm
guessing
that
your
use
of
the
word
accessibility
just
means
somebody
can
reach
it
it.
It
am,
I
kind
of
on
that,
the
right
path
there
with
my
thinking.
F
As
we
define
it,
it's
both
I
I
want
to
have
as
many
different
types
of
devices
that
anyone
can
access
them.
Then
there's
the
access
piece
of
you
can
find
them
where
you
need
them.
That
they're
also
placed
in
a
way
that
are
not
impeding
access
to
any
other
modes,
you're
trying
to
accommodate
all
of
those
pieces
and
also
accessible
in
terms
of
being
able
to
pay
for
them
being
able
to
engage
through
either
unbanked
or
not
having
a
smartphone
as
well.
B
Okay,
so
this
brings
up
a
couple
of
issues
for
me.
So
in
previous
years,
when
we've
had
reports
on
the
upcoming
season
with
scooters
and
bikes,
we
have
been
told
before
that
there
was
going
to
be
an
effort
to
to
involve
vehicles
or
scooters
or
bikes
that
were
also
usable
by
people
with
disabilities.
B
F
I
don't
have
any
answers
yet
we're
still
receiving
federal
guidance
on
what
we
can
spend
the
money
on,
but
that
is
something
that
we
would
very
much
like
to
do
and
would
like
to
incorporate
into
both
the
scooter
and
bike
programs.
I
guess
my
question
to
this
group
in
particular,
is
how,
in
some
of
the
other
programs
that
that
they
have
done
this
across
the
us
they've
found
that
it's
hard
to
have
different
devices
spread
out
throughout
the
city.
C
G
So
this
is
mandy,
there
hasn't
been
a
lot
of
progress,
but
that
I've
been
able
to
see
by
googling
of
other
cities
that
have
adopted
this.
Yet
I
know
that
the
this
was
a
goal
of
the
united
states
access
board
to
provide
some
recommendations
on
this,
but
then
coveted.
So
I
don't
see
that
it
there's
been
any
updates
to
date
from
them
either.
G
I
think
where
we
could
potentially
see
the
most
benefit
in
deployment
may
not
necessarily
be
with
the
city,
so
some
places
where
it
looks
like
there's
been
investments
in
pilot
programs
for
like
the
clip-ons
for
manual
wheelchairs,
for
example,
have
been
done
in
airports
for
independents
near
stadiums
overseas
like
proper
soccer
matches
have
like
they
have.
These.
There
has
to
be
sort
of
a
designated
need
a
volume
or
a
distance
that
someone
is
likely
going
to
need
to
travel
where
this
could
be
a
benefit.
G
Like
there's
a
clear
point,
a
to
point
b,
I
think
the
great
thing
about
more
traditional
bike
shares
is
that
people
can
go
and
they
can
go
around
the
parks
and
it's
really
about
livability.
It's
not
always
point
a
to
b.
It's
about
experiencing
our
bike
paths,
and
so
there
are
some
designated
bike
paths
along
the
grand
rounds
and
the
twin
cities.
Adaptive
bike
group.
You
know
they
maintain
their
their
own
bike
rental
share
program.
G
The
city
could
help
potentially
partner
with
that
they're
a
non-profit,
but
you
know
looking
at
some
designated
places
or
rolling
out
pilots
for
special
events
when
people
may
get
too
tired
or
have
to
travel
a
distance
from
parking,
I
could
see
where
it
might
be
useful.
You
know
downtown,
I
think,
that's
different.
What
I'm
proposing
is
a
a
policy
or
procedure
when
to
offer
on-demand
versus
by
reservation,
and
so
again
I
haven't
found
any
documentation
that
supports
either
of
those.
I
just
don't
think
we're
there
yet.
F
I
was
looking
into
twin
cities
adaptive,
and
I
think
that
is
a
potential
good
partnership,
the
other
cities
that
I've
had
maybe
the
most
success,
or
at
least
learned
the
most.
My
is
oakland
had
a
pretty
good
pilots
program
and
detroit
recently
did
one
that
had
been
researching
and
trying
to
understand
what
worked
and
what
didn't
and
talking
to
some
other
folks
nationally.
So
this
is
really
helpful.
F
I
think
you
know
I'm
wondering
too,
if
we
start
to
test
some
of
these
locker
systems,
which
can
be
used
either
for
package
pickup
or
for
like
what
hennepin
county
is
doing,
where
people
can
just
be
given
a
code
and
unlock
the
locker
and
you
can
get
whatever
you
like.
They
leave
they
put
in
like
ebt
cards,
I'm
kind
of
wondering,
if
maybe
the
technology
that
would
electrify
a
standard
wheelchair
could
be
put
into
a
locker,
and
maybe
you
check
it
out
or
something
like
they
could
be
a
shared
system.
B
Yeah
and
one
other
thing
I
was
thinking
about
so
just
based
on
on
past
experience,
where
there
have
been
scooters,
left
in
the
accessible
path
of
travel
or
attached,
inappropriately,
where
they
shouldn't
be,
you
have
the
ability
to
identify
who
the
user
was,
that
left
it
or
put
it
in
a
in
a
bad
spot.
Is
that
correct.
B
B
They
are
required
to
have
some
education
meet
with
one
of
your
interns
that
provides
education
or
re-education
or
printed
information
or
accessible
information.
That
kind
of
re-educates
the
the
user
to
what
the
proper
actions
are.
But
you
would
need
access
to
that.
So
maybe
that's
something
you
could
work
with
the
company
yeah
to
develop,
because
I
think
you
know,
like
you
mentioned
people
learn
over
time,
but
if,
if
they're
not
if
they
don't
learn,
they're
just
going
to
continue
to
do
the
same
behavior
and
we're
going
to
have
the
same
issue.
B
So
my
my
concern
is
to
try
to
figure
out
a
way
that
can
benefit
the
system
by
helping
educate
people
better,
because
I
I
think
you
know
there
are
going
to
be
a
certain
number
of
people
that
just
do
destructive
things,
but
I
think
far
more.
The
majority
of
people
want
to
do
the
right
thing.
They
just
may
not
know
and
or
didn't
get
adequate
education
up
front.
So
I
I
just
think
that
might
be
one
thing
to
kind
of
think
about
and
look
at
as
a
a
possible
process.
F
Yeah
for
the
so
when
we
get
complaints
in
3-1-1,
if
I'm
seeing
anything
that
is
like
particularly
egregious
or
like,
if
I'm
getting
anything
from
anyone
here
in
particular,
if
it's
an
accessibility
issue
in
terms
of
we
had
a
couple
where
there
were
people
had
done
a
really
bad
parking
job,
I've
sent
special
notes
to
the
company
and
said
okay.
We
need
you
to
obviously
clear
this.
F
I
was
just
going
to
say:
I'm
asking
the
company
to
also
follow
up
within
the
individual,
that
that
did
that
particularly
really
bad
behavior
and
and
having
telling
them
that
they
need
to
have
a
conversation
with
this
person,
particularly
about
why
that
was
such
a
problematic
behavior.
But
what
we're
planning
on
is
with
creating
that
artwork.
F
So
there's
within
each
ride
and
case
the
companies
have
their
information,
their
contact
information
as
well
as
a
picture
of
exactly
what
they
did.
So
they
can
have
that
conversation
with
them
and
if
you
know,
there's
people
that
are
having
particularly
like
repeat
offender
of
bad
behavior,
we
need
to
ask
them
to
start
looking
at
penalties.
F
E
Thank
you.
Yes,
I
had
my
hand
up
a
while
ago,
so
when
ken
was
earlier
speaking
about
what
to
do
about
accessibility
for
things
and
then
we
move
forward,
so
I
kind
of
lost
my
little
bit
of
train
of
thought.
So
I
had
a
new
thoughts
coming
up
as
we
were
going
here.
The
pictures
that
you
have
of
some
of
the
rides
that
when
they
take
a
picture,
that
sounds
like
a
great
idea
once
they're
done.
That
could
really
improve
a
lot
of
things,
because
I've
been
doing
this
for
four
or
five
years.
E
At
the
last
picture,
though,
I
was
thinking
that
before
a
person
would
leave
and
leave
those
scooters
wherever
we
should
have
some
kind
of
green
light
on
that
scooter.
That
shows
that
it
is
parked
in
the
right
place
and
if
it's
a
red
light
that
means
nope,
you
can't
park
it
there.
You
need
to
move
it
to
a
different
location,
some
way
that
we
can
identify
when
scooters
are
in
the
wrong
place,
so
they
can't
just
dump
them.
E
So
if
it's
a
green
light
on
the
scooter,
that
means
that
their
credit
card
is
then
released
and
everything's
good
to
go.
If
it's
a
red
light
on
there
on
the
scooter
and
it's
a
not
in
the
correct
location
to
be
parked,
then
it
continues
to
charge
them
credit
on
their
credit
card.
For
the
time
that
it's
still
running,
I
think
that
might
be
a
good
way
to
help
people
say
we
don't
want
to
put
it
in
the
wrong
place.
We
want
to
put
it
in
the
right
place.
That's
just
a
suggestion
for
that.
E
E
I
I
know,
though,
that
it
could
be.
The
scooter
could
be
a
problem
though,
but
because,
where
you're
parking,
you
could
take
up
a
lot
of
space
for
those
tandem,
kind
of
scooters
or
bikes.
But
if
we
want
those
potential,
ten
of
scooters
or
bikes,
we
could
look
and
at
ways
where
the
easiest
places
to
make
that
reservation
potentially
and
get
a
scooter
that
way.
That
might
be
a
good
option.
Also,
I
had
one
more
thing
I
use
scooters.
E
Where
there's
another
scooter
say
my
friend
who
could
hear
he
and
I
want
to
take
a
scooter
one
place-
I
admit
I've
lifted
it
up
and
brought
it
somewhere
to
go
to
another
scooter
for
hearing
friends
told
me
I
can't
do
that
he's
kind
of
the
scooter
police
he
says.
No,
you
can't
do
that
so
that
he
thinks
somebody
might
be
stealing
it,
so
we're
only
trying
to
bring
it
to
another
place,
to
use
it
with
somebody
else.
So
we
can
ride
together
on
our
own.
E
So
I'm
sure
I
don't
know,
do
you
have
the
technology
that
is
pretty
darn
fancy
out
there
that
people
are
smart?
They
can
use
that
there's
a
red
light
to
keep
it
safe,
so
you
could
release
it
from
where
it
is
and
it
would
leave
that
spot.
Maybe
if
it's
red
light,
you
said
you
can't
use
it
again.
It'll
keep
charging
your
credit
card.
A
G
So
this
is
mandy
harvey.
I
sent
you
and
ken
and
nick
just
a
quick
overview
of
the
three
locations
that
have
pilots
or
have
had
pilots
recently
again,
detroit
oakland
and
san
francisco,
and
I
also
sent
a
link
to
the
new
seven
new
adaptive
bicycle
designs
that
lime
has
done
for
this
year,
including
a
tandem
spike
adaptive
design.
B
F
B
F
Were
both
awarded
licenses
last
year
and
this
year
I
have
the
ability
to
give
more
licenses,
but
I
think,
in
terms
of
timing
with
what
we're
talking
talking
about
the
bike
share
agreement
expires
towards
the
end
of
this
year.
The
scooter
program
also
expires
at
the
end
of
this
year
and
we'll
be
going
to
a
new
proposal
process
and
because
both
this
is
the
first
time
that
bikes
are
up
in
10
years.
G
F
At
a
minimum
we
in
2020's
procurement
process,
we
did
ask
them
to.
Let
us
know
what
other
types
of
adaptive
scooters
they
had.
The
only
ones
that
were
presented
to
us
were
on
the
scooter
side
were
not
compliant
with
minnesota
statute,
but
it
doesn't
mean
that
any
on
the
bicycle
side,
those
might
still
be
compliant.
That
would
be,
on
a
case-based
case
basis
that
we'd
have
to
make
sure
that
it
complies.
G
Okay,
so
to
summarize,
there's
two
approaches
that
I
believe
that
the
group
is
recommending.
One
is
to
again
include
that
in
a
diff
with
different
language
in
the
rfi
process.
So
it's
not
just
whether
they
have
them.
It's
not
just
whether
they're
gonna
meet
current
rules
and
regs,
but
that
they
have
the
ability
to
roll
out
that
that
pilot
and
provide
information.
G
G
A
G
You're
awesome.
Thank
you
so
much.
I
know.
We've
got
other
things
on
the
agenda,
but
I
look
forward
to
having
you
know
the
group
come
back
or
reach
out
to
us
again
with
rfi
language,
to
review
or
anything
that
we
can
sign
on
to
to
make
that
exemption
waiver
or
change
to
the
rules
and
rights
to
allow
a
pilot
possible.
B
F
Absolutely
I
want
to
make
sure
I
answer
harvey's
one
question
and
we
got
back
to
it
the
if
a
ride
is
not
properly
locked
to
something
like
the
lock
is
not
engaged,
it
does
continue
to
charge
them,
so
they
are
penalized
for
not
completing
it
and
mocking
it.
I
think
you
are
on
to
something
in
terms
of
maybe
visual
algorithms
in
terms
of
knowing
whether
something
is
parked
properly
or
not,
and
that
would
be
technology
on
the
scooter
companies
and
they
should
work
on
that.
C
A
D
D
We
are
doing
some
evaluation
work
on
the
tactile
edge
that
was
installed
as
part
of
the
hennepin
downtown
reconstruction
project.
The
segment
between
8th
and
12th
avenue
was
completed
in
late
2020,
and
you
can
see
that
tactile
edge
out
there
today
prior
to
the
implementation
of
this
project
and
this
treatment.
D
How
it
stands
up
to
winter
maintenance,
the
freeze
thaw
cycles
and
all
of
that,
and
so
what
we're
doing
currently
is
evaluating
this
tactile
edge,
trying
to
see
how
does
it
function
in
real
life
conditions
so
that
we
can
help
inform
future
projects
that
may
include
this
treatment
type
and
so
there's
two
main
questions
that
we
are
looking
to
answer
through
this
evaluation
work.
First,
is
the
tactile
edge
functioning
as
it
was
anticipated?
D
We
have
been
to
the
bac
and
we'll
be
going
out
to
the
pac
next
month.
Speaking
with
you
all
as
well,
we've
talked
to
winter
maintenance
staff,
both
at
the
city
and
those
who
maintain
the
infrastructure
in
front
of
their
properties
along
hennepin,
and
then
we'll
also
be
doing
some
video
in
person
observations
as
well.
D
So
today
I
really
just
wanted
to
have
a
conversation
with
you
all.
I
know
that
this
is
a
pretty
new
treatment.
It's
only
really
been
in
the
ground
since
the
end
of
2020
and
we're
now
just
starting
to
get
the
warmer
weather.
It's
also
a
little
bit
of
a
strange
year,
obviously
with
the
pandemic
and
the
downtown
area
isn't
as
active
as
it
typically
is
in
a
an
average
year,
and
so
we
know
there
hasn't
been
as
many
users
but
we're
still
hoping
to
kind
of
learn
from
different
users.
D
B
D
B
A
Amy
before
you
enter
that,
I'm
sorry
I
don't
mean
to
interject,
but
I
just
want
to
try
to
get
a
frame
of
reference
here,
for
this
is
really
more
for
amy.
Is
there
an
example
of
that
around
the
city?
I'm
I'm
trying
to
think
if
washington
avenue
has
something
of
that,
because
they
kind
of
have
both
the
sidewalk
and
bike
in
some
areas.
The
bike
path,
elevated
at
the
same
level.
So
is
that
an
example
somewhere
that
could
help
be
a
frame
of
reference
for
folks.
D
A
That's
true,
that's
true,
yes,
and
I
think
I'm
sorry,
my
my
my
thought
there
was
that
it's
a
it's
it's
not
in
terms
of
material
but
kind
of
I'm
sorry,
I'm
losing
my
mind
here,
but
kind
of
feel
in
terms
of
some
type
of
difference.
I
guess
in
between
the
bike
path-
and
I
saw
the
sidewalk
for
folks
to
note
that
this
is
where
the
bike
path
is,
and
this
is
where
the
sidewalk
is.
So.
Is
this
fitting,
along
that
same
theme,.
B
So,
but
but
the
truncated
domes
are
not
designed
to
be
directional,
so
you're
you're,
creating
a
new,
a
new
definition
of
interpretation
for
something
that
has
been
in
existence
for
quite
a
while
now
that
users
of
that
don't
understand,
because
that's
not
how
they're
used,
I
I
I
you
know
so.
First
of
all
forget
the
washington
avenue
example,
because
that
was
a
bust.
I've
been
on
accessibility
walks
along
there
to
check
it
out
and
those
do
not
work
they.
They
are
a
good
example
of
what
does
not
work
effectively.
B
C
A
G
G
G
The
way
that
this
strip
is
done
is
going
to
make
a
groove
that
can
damage
equipment
or
when
you
pop
over
it
can
be
uneven
and
cause
someone
to
fall.
There's
liability
here,
even
if
you
took
off
all
the
other
accessibility
scenarios,
why
this
product
shouldn't
be
used
or
treated
this
way
for
people
with
disabilities.
It
can
actually
cause
a
potential
problem
for
individuals
who
don't
have
disabilities,
who
are
using
scooters.
G
Don't
do
this
there's
another
way
to
do
it
with
that
said,
the
washington
example
didn't
work.
We
know
that
you
want
to
try
a
pilot,
and
we
commend
you
for
that.
I
happen
to
live
on
a
mixed
use,
sidewalk
and
bike
path
where
there
is
no
delineation
or
demarcation,
and
that's
the
18th
corridor
in
northeast.
G
There
are
pros
and
cons
to
doing
this
using
hennepin,
as
your
pilot
space
may
seem
like
a
good
idea
because
of
the
potential
high
traffic,
but
there
are
also
higher
risks
there.
I
think
that
there's,
if
you
want
to
test
something
like
this
and
you're,
really
hell-bent
on
doing
it,
don't
do
it
there
you've
got
to
have
appropriate
signage.
You
it's
going
to
fail
the
winter
test.
C
G
It's
just
it's
not
a
good
idea.
We
there
there
are
other
mechanisms
to
do
that.
That
can
be
maintained
at
a
lower
cost
and
value
with
that
said,
there
are
other
municipalities
that
have
attempted
this.
We
don't
need
to
necessarily
do
our
own.
We
can
reach
out
to
other
cities
and
say
what
worked?
What
didn't?
What
feedback
before
we
start
spending
city
dollars
to
do
something
like
this,
so
I'm
going
to
end
there,
because
that
was
a
lot
and
if
that
wasn't
firm
enough,
I
could
go
harder.
B
Yeah,
I
will
just
add
that
I
have
had
several
conversations
with
the
folks
at
the
u.s
access
board
and
they
are
concerned,
and
rightly
so-
that
the
truncated
domes
are
being
reserved
and
used
as
they're
not
intended
to
be
used,
and
that
has
kind
of
caused
them
to
peak
their
interest
in
this
whole
area.
So
I
I
wouldn't
be
surprised
if
there's
some
stronger
language
that
comes
out
of
the
u.s
access
board
about
this
type
of
experimenting
with
the
tactile
strips
they.
B
D
G
This
is
mandy
there
they're
somewhat
similar
in
lengthwise
to
what
you're
going
to
see
at
a
light
rail
station,
but
their
their
grooves
and
depth
is
all
wrong.
It's
it's
not
going
to
work.
It
is
it's
not
designed
to
do
what
is
being
asked
and
it
is
going
to
be
again
a
a
liability
risk
to
to
those
who
encounter
it.
The
design
element
it
wouldn't
just
be
a
detectable.
A
This
is
nick
one.
I
just
want
to
note
that
harvey
does
have
their
hand
raised,
but
I
think
amy
I
just
wanna
and
ken,
please
ken
and
mandy,
I'm
sorry
mandy
you're
you
get
to
go
to
your
next
meeting,
just
for
again
a
frame
of
reference.
I
think
something
that
they
that
ken
and
mandy
are
noting
is
that
for
for
folks
with
low
vision
that
are
blind
when
they
use
their
cane
they
learn
to,
and
I'm
I'm
gonna
butcher.
A
This
so
can
please
jump
in
they
learn
to
when
they
come
across
a
tactile
edge
that
signals
to
them
and
that's
what
their
training
or
their
education
is,
that
it's
an
area
of
crossing
or
a
specific
area
to
cross
or
modality,
such
as
mandy
speaking
so
for
this
particular
pilot,
we're
thinking
at
a
very
city
level,
but
it's
this
is
this.
This
level
of,
I
guess
education
or
training
is,
is
for
the
community
at
large
outside
of
minneapolis.
A
B
Yeah
yeah,
I
think
mandy-
also
addressed
this
too
in
her
comments-
is
that
you
know
especially
someone
traveling
and
not
quite
sure
where
they
are,
if
they
encounter
that
they're
to
assume
that
that's
part
of
the
ability
to
cross-
and
it
might
be
some
new
method.
But
I
I
don't
know
how
different
this
strip
is
from
those
at
the
corners
to
indicate
the
change
between
the
sidewalk
and
the
street,
but
even
if
it's
remotely
that
reminiscent
that's
what
a
blind
traveler
is
going
to
be
confused
about
and
they're
going
to.
B
Err
on
the
side
of
this
must
be
where
I
need
to
cross.
So
and
again
I
I
would.
I
would
refer
you
to
the
specifications
that
the
u.s
access
board
outlines
for
the
use
of
this
type
of
material,
and
I
know
our
committee
has
has
has
in
the
past
recommended
there's
there's
a
lot
of
other
ways
of
creating
a
tactile
type
of
barrier
that
could
be
utilized
as
opposed
to
kind
of
mixing
up
the
the
ideas
of
this.
B
B
B
Yes,
yes,
it
was
simon
balensky.
Yes,
yes,
that's
the
one
name.
I
remember,
but
I
was
on
that
and
margo
and
I
were
on
that
work
team
and
really
helped
to
delineate
some
some
good
suggestions
on
how
to
delineate
those
and
keep
those
kind
of
areas
separate.
So
I
would
really
suggest
you
look
into
that
and
see
if
that
might
be
something
you
might
try.
G
A
E
That's
fine,
so
I
just
thought
a
little
bit
on
the
subject
of
those
domes
that
we're
talking
truncated,
domes
in
stillwater
bridge.
I
think
it
opened
couple
two
years
ago
they
put
in
a
new
sidewalk
in
there.
It's
the
only
you
know
same:
they
have
it
in
minneapolis
too.
They
do
the
same
thing
there,
but
the
sidewalk
it
was
brand
new
and
those
little
truncated
domes
were
really
off
and
kind
of
in
the
middle
of
the
street
or
they
were
a
little
off.
So
it's
so
they
moved
so
they
had
them
at
an
angle.
E
That
really
didn't
make
any
sense,
and
I'm
wondering
why
that
happens,
because
I
mentioned
that,
because
in
the
situation
over
construction
season,
it's
easy
to
make
things
a
certain
way
at
a
faster
time.
I
think
they
need
to
stop
and
have
everything
just
go
100
straight,
so
people
don't
get
confused
and
start
trailing
off
track.
We
need
to
stop
that
process.
B
D
B
C
G
I'm
happy
to
make
time
for
a
walk
to
show
you
how
I'm
going
to
trip
over
it,
and
you
know
I
can
bring
like
an
example
of
a
kid's,
stroller
or
other
things,
so
that
again
my
cane's
short,
because
I'm
short,
but
I
mean
it,
it
gives
a
little
bit
of
a
response
to
the
user.
When
I
let
people
demo
those
types
of
canes,
it
gives
some
feedback
so
yeah
and
we
could
take
some
water
or
debris
and
show
you
how
it
fills
up.
G
A
D
Yeah,
that
would
be
great,
I
will
say
we've
I
think
public
works
specifically
is
kind
of
in
the
process
of
readjusting
their
guidance
on
how
we
can
do
in
person,
sort
of
engagement
or
any
sort
of
meetings,
and
I
think
they're
getting
to
the
point
where
we're
now
going
to
be
allowed
to
do
that.
So
I
think
june
would
be
a
good
good
time
frame
for
that.
A
D
A
B
I
I'll
be
I'll,
be
really
brief
in
giving
this,
so
you
may
already
know
city
council
adopted
this
ordinance.
I
had
had
a
long
meeting
with
council
member
fletcher.
I
had
expressed
our
our
concern
and
the
legal
liability
that
this
policy
would
be
putting
the
city
of
minneapolis
in
at
first.
He
was
resistant
to
some
of
the
things
I
was
saying,
but
came
around
and
identified
and
understood
what
I
was
talking
about.
Eventually
he
he.
B
I
urged
him
to
reach
out
to
the
city
attorney's
office,
to
get
an
opinion,
because
I
believe
the
passing
of
this
ordinance,
knowing
that
it
has
a
disparate
effect
on
the
disability
community,
is
not
a
good
legal
direction
to
move,
and
he
said
he
would
do
that.
He
also
said
he
would
instruct
the
city
staff
to
reach
out
to
our
community
so
that
we
could
help
create
some
collaboration
and
figure
out
an
alternative.
B
B
B
A
loading
and
unloading
zone
is
not
residential
parking
or
someone
with
a
disability
or
a
vehicle,
that's
equipped
that
needs
special
parking.
So
to
me
the
whole
my
whole
conversation
with
council
member
fletcher,
which
was
over
an
hour
just
was,
was
not
either
heard
or
or
not
not
followed
through
properly,
and
so
because
of
that,
I
have
reached
out
to
a
disability
attorney
already
I'm
waiting
to
hear
back
from
her
it's
gilbert
law,
I'm
also
reaching
out
to
the
disability
law
center.
G
G
G
G
I
think
that
they're
unfortunately
mistaken
and
you
know
I
want
to
make
sure
that
this
group
can
go
on
record,
not
as
I
told
you
so
not
that
we're
leading
the
charge
saying
that
we
want
to
come
at
this
from
a
point
of
reducing
risk,
reducing
discrimination
and
finding
a
solution
for
a
compromise,
and
that
this
should
enter
into
mediation
for
dispute
resolution
before
it.
It
goes
into
a
filed
claim
now
again,
if
the
doj
picks
this
up
ken
they
go
with
it.
That's
not
an
option.
B
B
C
G
B
B
No
no
worries,
so
this
reminds
me
of
an
issue
that
happened
in
saint
paul.
I
don't
know
if
you
remember
when,
when
saint
paul
identified
the
terrible
20
streets
that
were
just
really
horrible,
they
needed
to
be
a
mill
and
overlaid
and
they
decided
that
they
would
do
10
streets
one
summer
and
the
other
10
streets
another
summer,
and
so
when
they
started
doing
the
mill
and
overlay
on
those
streets
to
improve
the
quality
of
the
streets.
B
The
pavement
a
million
overlay,
requires
that
when
they
do
the
street
they
have
to
upgrade
the
pedestrian
ramps
at
the
same
time
and
they
chose
not
to
touch
the
pedestrian
ramps.
So
when
margo-
and
I
found
out
about
that-
we
looked
into
it
and
they
said
they
didn't
have
to
do
the
pedestrian
ramps
because
they
were
working
on
an
emergency
project
of
fixing
the
streets.
But
that's
they
still
are
anytime.
They
do
a
mill,
an
overlay
that
touches
an
intersection
they're
required
to
upgrade
the
pedestrian
ramps.
B
B
You
need
to
work
with
us
or
we're
going
to
file
this
lawsuit
monday
morning
and
just
before
we
left
one
of
the
people
was
a
city
council
person
said.
Let
me
talk
to
the
mayor
and
give
me
until
monday
noon
to
before
any
action
is
taken,
and
by
that
time
the
mayor
said,
you
will
fix
this
pedestrian
ramps
and
they
had
to
go
back
and
they
met
with
us
and
came
up
with
an
agreement
and
we
agreed
not
to
file
the
the
lawsuit
providing.
B
They
changed
the
policy
and
they
made
it
really
clear
on
their
website
that
when
they
do
milling,
overlays
they're
required
to
do
pedestrian
ramps
and
that
they
went
back
and
fixed
all
of
those
pedestrian
ramps.
It
ended
up
costing
them
an
extra
two
million
dollars
to
do
that,
because
the
streets
were
already
done
and
that
caused
them
to
have
to
go
and
fix
the
streets
a
little
bit
again,
but
they
learned
their
lesson,
but
we
had
to.
We
had
to
really
kind
of
meet
them
at
the
table,
and
I
think
this
is
a
similar
situation.
B
B
I
even
had
an
in-depth
conversation
with
council
member
fletcher
identifying
that
this
is
a
terrific
goal
to
eliminate
greenhouse
gases,
to
help
the
environment,
to
help
people
discover
the
the
value
of
public
transportation,
but
I
said
we're
not
there
yet
public
transportation
isn't
perfect
and
there
are
people
that
can't
use
public
transportation
or
be
out
in
the
cold
for
any
length
of
time
waiting
for
a
bus
or
a
train
and
you're
making
this
process.
Now.
How
about?
B
If
we
look
at
a
transition
plan,
so
we
want
to
get
to
the
place
where
we
don't
need
to
have
parking,
but
we're
not
there.
Today,
let's,
let's
transition
to
it,
maybe
eliminate
majority
of
the
parking,
but
don't
eliminate
all
of
it,
because
we're
not
there
yet,
and
that
seemed
to
tickle
his
fancy
a
little
bit,
but
it
didn't
make
it
in
the
end.
So
you
know
I
really
tried
to
help
him
understand
that
we
were
there
to
try
to
help
and
offer
guidance,
and
that
was
not
accepted.
B
G
B
G
We
can
advise
the
city
that
we
know
that
even
members
of
our
group
are
are
interested
in
resolution
that
that
may
involve.
You
know
the
court
system
all
the
way
to
federal
regional
ada,
centers
access
forward,
hud
many
others,
but
that
this
disparate
treatment.
The
correction
of
this
is
not
just
about
the
city
or
county
co-mingling
and
correcting
roads.
G
G
The
remediation
is
going
to
be
costly
for
everyone,
and
the
city
might
have
to
front
that
cost.
So
what
we
can
do
as
a
again
an
advisory
group
is
if
we
have
exhausted
opportunities
to
talk
to
council
members,
the
ordinance
is
currently
passed.
We
can
go
to
the
mayor.
We
can
go
to
different
departments
and
divisions
which
include
the
city's
civil
rights
department
and
the
city
attorney,
and
we
can
engage
in
a
conversation
as
the
advisory
committee.
G
As
you
know,
a
warning
and
and
recommending
you
know,
come
to
the
table
now
before
it's
too
late,
but
I
would
advise
that
we
find
someone
who's
going
to
represent
the
individual
interests,
whether
that's
going
to
be
this
at
the
city,
county,
state
or
federal
level.
To
do
that.
That
is
someone
in
addition
to
yourself.
B
It
does,
and-
and
I
appreciate
that
perspective
so
at
this
point-
let's
do
a
two-prong
action.
So
let's
reach
out
as
a
committee
to
the
civil
rights
commission
and
begin
a
conversation
there,
as
as
in
in
our
advisory
role
capacity-
and
I
I'm
at
this
point
willing
to
do
that
and
not
deal
with
council
members,
because
I
they're
not
willing
to
listen
at
this
point.
They've
demonstrated
that
so
I
think
going
to
the
commission
would
be
fine.
B
G
A
Yeah,
I
think
I
might
just
do
mine
via
email.
It
was
going
to
be
about
our
I'm
sorry
background
noise,
our
neighborhood
partnership
engagement
fund
that
is
being
released
so
mandy.
You
might
be
probably
the
most
first
in
it
from
this
group,
but
I
can
provide
that
via
email
and
that's
completely.
Okay,.
G
This
is
mandy.
I
actually
think
that
would
be
appropriate
to
do,
but
if
you
do
send
it
out
via
email,
could
you
include
information
like
even
a
sentence
explaining
where
okay,
the
funds
that
have
to
be
used
by
the
neighborhoods
there's
a
set
timeline
for
when
they
have
to
use,
get
the
plans
approved,
which
is
like
july,
something
I
can't
remember
the
top
of
my
head
and
then
it
has
to
be
used
all
by
the
end
of
the
year.
G
These
are
fast-tracked
projects,
and
my
biggest
concern
is
that
the
inclusion
of
accessible
features
of
of
these
spending
projects
isn't
being
addressed
in
the
plan,
modifications-
and
I
think
you
know
again
we're
not
here
to
tell
all
the
neighborhood
associations
what
to
do.
That's
not
our
role,
but
what
the
city
could
do,
because
the
city
has
to
review
each
neighborhood's
association's
planned
modifications.
A
Yes,
I
I
hear
that
that's
something
we
could
have
a
conversation
on
the
side.
I
believe
that's
different
from
what
I
was
going
to
send
information
on.
But,
oh
yes,
this
one
is
a
community,
non-profit
or
based
organization
partnering
with
the
neighborhood
to
do
work,
and
I
can
just
detail
that
inside
the
email
and
stuff
as
well.
B
B
But
in
the
meantime
I
want
to
also
I'm
sharing
this
with
with
everybody
is
that
metro
transit
has
undertaken
a
project
to
provide
ira
access
in
their
entire
metro
transit
system
for
blind
users
to
be
able
to
use
at
no
cost.
This
is
going
to
be
set
up
as
a
pilot
project
again
and
there
will
be
research
gathered
and
then
a
report
done
at
the
end
of
the
pilot
project
to
evaluate
how
effective
this
has
been.
B
But
it's
the
entire
system
in
the
twin
cities,
for
that
metro
transit
runs,
so
it's
quite
extensive
and
that
there
isn't
been
a
date
identified
to
roll
that
out
yet.
But
it
will
be
probably
at
the
beginning
of
the
summer,
so
I
just
wanted
to
share
that.
So
I
you
know
at
this
point
it
doesn't
make
sense
for
the
city
to
to
redo
nicolette
mall
if,
if
nicolette
mall
is
going
to
be
covered
under
metro
transit's
work,
so
I
just
want.