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From YouTube: November 9, 2021 Police Conduct Oversight Commission
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A
B
Good
evening
my
name
is
abigail
sarah,
and
I
am
the
chair
of
the
minneapolis
police
conduct
oversight.
Commission,
I'm
going
to
call
this
meeting
for
november
9th
2021
to
order.
As
we
begin.
I
will
note
for
the
record
that
this
meeting
has
remote
participation
by
members
of
the
city,
council
and
city
staff
as
authorized
under
minnesota
statutes,
section
13d
.021
due
to
the
declared
public
health
emergency,
the
city
will
be
recording
and
posting
this
meeting
to
the
city's
website
and
youtube
channel
as
a
means
of
increasing
public
access
and
transparency.
A
D
That's
commissioner
mcguire:
I
move
to
adopt
sorry,
adopt
and
accept
the
minutes.
E
E
B
That
motion
carries
and
the
agenda
is
adopted
and
the
minutes
of
the
october
meeting
are
accepted
next,
we'll
move
on
to
discussion
of
nuisance
misdemeanors,
and
we
have
three
guest
speakers
this
evening.
The
first
is
professor
maji
reggae
from
st
thomas
university,
he's
the
department
chair
of
software
and
data
science,
and
he
prepared
a
presentation
for
us
this
evening
and
I
believe
that
the
presentation
will
be
presented
by
the
city
clerk
for
those
who
can
see
it
on
teams.
B
F
F
I
was
approached
by
commissioner
sarah
to
analyze
the
nuisance
misdemeanor
data
set,
and
I
have
done
my
analysis
about
which
the
presentation
would
be
shared
by.
I
believe
the
clerk
so
I'll
briefly
go
over
my
presentation
very
quickly
here
next
slide.
F
So
what
I
right
away
establish
here
is
the
demographics
of
race
in
the
city
of
minneapolis,
63
percent,
whites
and
nineteen
percent
black.
So
this
is
from
census.
I'm
mentioning
this
right
up
front,
because
what
you
see
later
on
when
you
look
at
the
misdemeanor
incidents,
is
something
that
is
completely
flipped
next
slide.
F
So
in
the
data
set
that
was
provided,
there
were
around
8011
incidents
of
the
six
misdemeanors
that
you
see
at
the
top
and
those
were,
I
believe,
public
urination
consuming
in
public
loitering,
with
open
bottle
interfering
with
pedestrian
traffic
position
of
drug
paraphernalia
in
public
loitering
and
disorderly
conduct.
So
those
were
the
8011
incidents
next
slide,
please!
F
I
was
also.
I
was
also
asked
to
look
at
is
homelessness,
a
factor
in
these
incidents.
Now
detecting
homelessness
is
a
little
bit
challenging.
Sometimes
you
have
address
missing
or
that
address
could
be
not
recorded.
E
F
Get
discovered
or
doesn't
get
recorded
as
a
homeless.
We
also
took
and
took
into
consideration
if
the
address
is
that
of
salvation
army,
then
we'll
count
that
as
homeless,
so
we
have
tried
to
do
our
best
to
estimate
the
proportion
of
homelessness
overall
of
all
of
the
incidents.
F
F
This
is
how
they
were
distributed
with
half
of
those
coming
from
the
interference
with
pedestrian
traffic.
Next
slide,
please,
and
then
I
am
breaking
it
down
by
the
different
kind
of
misdemeanors.
F
So
I'll
explain
this
one
and
then
the
others
would
be
kind
of
similar,
so
this
is
for
the
consuming
in
public.
What
I
have
tried
to
show
here
is
in
on
the
left.
Those
are
the
arrested
incidents
with
the
blue
color
on
the
right
is
the
citation
incidents
and
on
the
bottom,
you
would
see
the
different
races
recorded.
F
So
here
you
would
see
that
the
proportion
of
blacks
is
high
at
62
percent
compared
to
whites,
which
is
23.
So,
basically,
you
have
three
times
almost
right:
blacks
compared
to
whites,
and
if
you
look
at
the
population,
demographics,
it
is
the
other
way
around.
So
this
is
for
one
particular
misdemeanor,
and
I
was
also
asked
to
look
at
is
homelessness
again,
a
factor
next
slide,
please
around
14
homelessness,
just
for
this
particular
misdemeanor
and
then
so.
This
is
for
one
particular
misdemeanor.
I
then
did
this
for
the
remaining
five
as
well.
F
F
This
is
for
loitering,
with
open
bottle
next
slide.
F
Again,
big
differences
in
the
races
there
for
the
arrest
and
citation
next
slide.
F
F
This
is
public
urination,
22,
white,
60,
blacks,
next
slide,
so
10
homelessness
for
this
particular
misdemeanor
next
slide,
and
this
is
for
the
interference
with
pedestrian
traffic.
This
accounted
for.
If
you
remember
from
my
first
slide,
half
of
those
incidents
around
4
000
of
the
8
000
were
in
this
particular
category,
and
here
you
see
again
13
to
30
percent,
and
that
should
get
me
to
our
last
slide,
which
is
just
showing
for
this
particular
misdemeanor.
B
Thank
you,
professor
reggae,
for
putting
all
of
that
together.
Does
anyone
from
the
commission
have
questions
about
how
he
analyzed
the
data
or
put
together
this
presentation?
I
want
to
be
mindful
he
has
a
prior
commitment.
B
Please
press
star,
six
to
mute
yourself.
Commissioners,
if
you
have
a
question
for
professor
reggae.
B
Okay,
well,
oh
commissioner,
vice
chair
sparks.
C
F
B
F
B
And
moving
on
to
our
second
presentation
by
attorney
sean
webb,
mr
webb
is
the
managing
attorney
for
the
gross
misdemeanor
and
misdemeanor
division
of
the
hennepin
county
public
defender's
office,
and
that's
the
particular
division
that
handles
nuisance
misdemeanors.
So
he
is,
you
know
acutely
aware
of
this
kind
of
offense
and
and
what
it
looks
like
in
the
court
system.
So
mr
webb
has
prepared
some
remarks
for
us
this
evening.
Mr
webb,
please
take
it
away.
G
Thank
you
just
wanted
to
follow
up
on
a
couple
of
things
from
the
professor's
presentation
that
I
use
as
kind
of
jumping
off
points,
particularly
looking
at
the
racial
data
that
he
gathered
and
analyzed
and
the
homelessness
data
that
he
gathered
and
analyzed,
and
I
think
he
even
talked-
or
I
don't
think
he
did
talk
about
some
of
the
limitations
based
on
the
information
that
he
had
available
to
him
in
trying
to
properly
gauge
the
the
impact
or
the
percentage
of
these
cases
that
that
involve
people
who
are
who
are
either
homeless
or
or
experiencing
housing
insecurity,
and
I
think
the
percentage
he
gave
for
the
overall
was
7.62.
G
And
when
I
look
at
the
breakdown
or
the
the
clients
that
my
office
represents.
I
think
that
that's
pretty
that's
that's
a
low
lower
than
what
I
what
I
suspect
the
actual
percentage
is,
I
think,
there's
a
couple
of
factors
in
that
one
was
the
very
large
category:
the
4
000
pedestrian
traffic
interference,
cases
that
had
an
incredibly
low
percentage
of
homeless
or
or
people
who
are
identified
as
being
homeless
kind
of
skewed
the
data.
G
G
My
office
we,
this
year,
we
started
our
in
our
own
internal
tracking
to
to
better
assure
the
ensure
the
quality
of
the
the
race
data
that
we're
relying
on
for
trying
to
address
some
of
the
systemic
disparities
and
one
of
the
limitations
of
our
intern.
G
G
You
know
taken
away
from
them,
sometimes
for
a
very
short
period
of
time,
sometimes
they're,
they're,
arrested,
processed
and
then
released
within
a
matter
of
hours,
sometimes
for
a
much
longer
period
of
time,
whether
that's
a
handful
of
days,
while
they're
waiting
for
a
court
appearance
up
to
you
know
in
certain
circumstances
it
could
be
several
weeks
or
even
even
more
than
a
month
for
people
who
are
already
struggling
to
to
maintain
some
stability.
G
One
of
the
things
that
I
see
over
and
over
again
for
my
clients,
who
are
struggling
with
other,
you
know
to
address
other
issues
in
their
lives,
the
arrest
and
and
being
detained
in
jail
really
just
knocks
over.
Whatever
progress
they've
had
built
up,
whether
whatever
stability
they
have
worked
very
hard,
often
times
to
build
that
arrest,
just
completely
wipes
that
progress
out
it
deprives
them
oftentimes
of
the
treatment
that
that
they
may
be
participating
in.
That
is
helping
them.
G
You
know
address
their
the
issues
that
they're
struggling
with
it
may
deprive
them
of
the
access
to
the
medication
that
they
need
to
address
their
mental
health
or
their
their
medical
conditions,
and
so
it
really
has
has
a
very
damaging
effect
and
for
almost
all
of
these
offenses
that
are
lo
that
we're
looking
at
you
know
we're
talking
about
a
huge
potential,
damaging
impact
on
the
person
being
arrested
and
detained
and
really
negligible.
G
You
know
benefit
for
society
and
neglig
negligible.
You
know
benefit
when
we're
looking
at
addressing
public
safety,
because
by
and
large,
these
types
of
offenses
are
not
are
not
the
springboard
into
public
safety
type
of
offenses.
G
These
are
not
the
types
of
offenses
that
are
springboarding
in
you
know,
people
into
assaults
or
springboarding
people
into
operating
a
motor
vehicle,
while
they're,
impaired
or
springboarding
people
into
you
know
the
more
severe
end
of
the
spectrum
of
cases
that
the
criminal
justice
system
handles
and
so
we're
inflicting
oftentimes
a
huge
amount
of
disruption
and
potential
damage
for
really
not
much
gain
or
not
much
benefit,
especially
when
we're.
When
we're
thinking
about
you
know.
G
These
are
not
crimes
that
people
necessarily
are
are
choosing
they're
they're
oftentimes
crimes
that
are
being
committed
out
of
desperation
or
lack
of
other
options
or
lack
of
access
to
resources
to
really
address
the
needs
that
the
person
has
in
their
life
that
they're
that
they're
struggling
with,
and
so
when
we're
looking
at
crimes
that
are
being
driven
by
lack
of
resources
and
desperation,
you
know
arresting
somebody
convicted
prosecuting
them,
convicting
them
incarcerating
them.
You
know
all
of
those
things
really
are
geared
towards.
G
You
know,
punishment
or
retribution,
and
these
types
of
crimes,
punishment,
retribution
when,
when
you're
dealing
with
behavior,
that's
caused
by
desperation,
doesn't
really
deter
the
behavior
because
the
person
is
oftentimes
making
a
very
you
know
a
very
difficult
choice
between
unappealing
options.
They
don't
have
good
options
to
choose
from
and
they're
trying
to
pick
the
the
best
of
of
bad
choices
or
bad
options,
and
so
the
typical
kind
of
criminal
court,
deterrent
model
of
of
punishment
or
retribution
doesn't
seem
to
effectively.
G
Detract
from
this
type
of
behavior
what
we've
seen
be
successful
in
in
reducing
this
type
of
behavior.
Is
you
know,
helping
these
individuals
get
access
to
the
resources
that
they
need
to
address
the
the
issues
that
they're
struggling
with
in
their
lives
and
to
really
help
them
find
the
stability
that
most
of
us
take
for
granted
and
find
the
the
stability
to
start
building?
G
This
was
behavior
that
they
were
that
they
were
engaging
in
because
they
had
no
other
options,
and
so
I
I
think
that
really
looking
at
at
this
from
a
a
practical
standpoint
of
of
what
type,
what
will
help
if
we've
decided
that
we
that
this
behavior
is,
is
not
what
we
want
as
a
society.
How
do
we
minimize
it
or
reduce
it?
G
Arresting
people
charging
them
convicting
them.
You
know
incarcerating
them
doesn't
really
effectively
reduce
it.
Finding
ways
to
help
these
individuals
get
access
to
the
resources
that
they
need
to
build
stability
in
their
life
and
to
address
the
underlying
issues
that
they
might
be
struggling
with.
G
That
has
shown
to
be
a
much
more
successful
way
of
of
addressing
or
to
or
reducing
this
type
of
behavior,
and
one
of
the
things
that
that
I
point
to
is
kind
of
a
a
an
example
of
how
this
can
be
successful
and,
to
the
extent
that
it
can
be
successful,
is
one
of
the
the
programs
that
my
office
has
worked
with.
G
The
city
of
minneapolis
and
the
city
attorney's
office
on
is
a
partnership
between
us,
minneapolis
and
hennepin
county
social
workers,
where
clients,
who
are
my
office's
clients
who
are
charged
with
these
offenses
that
are
interested
in
trying
to
access
resources
and
trying
to
address
some
of
their
underlying
issues,
are
being
supported
by
hennepin,
county
social
workers
and
help,
and
given
help
and
navigating
through
the
the
available
resources
and
addressing
you
know,
the
needs
that
they
might
have.
G
G
Looking
at
at
the
clients,
who've
successfully
completed
this
court
and,
looking
at
over
the
last
three
years,
what
percentage
of
those
individuals
were
back
in
court
on
new
charges
and
when
we
look
at
the
when
we
looked
at
the
data
most
recently
at
the
beginning
of
2021,
the
the
recidivism
rate
or
the
rate
in
which
people
in
this
program
were
being
brought
back
into
court
on
new
charges
of
this
type
had
dropped.
B
Thank
you
so
much,
mr
webb,
and
I
I'm
mindful
of
your
time
here.
Commissioners,
does
anyone
have
any
questions
for
mr
webb.
B
I'll
recognize
myself
and
ask
you
a
question,
mr
webb,
when
you
presented
in
the
subcommittee,
I
asked
the
same
thing:
do
you
have
a
sense
of
what
percentage
or
you
know
just
roughly
what
percentage
of
this
population
these
nuisance
misdemeanors
impacts
people
struggling
with
mental
illness?
We
weren't
able
to
control
for
that
in
our
data
set,
there
isn't
like
a
check
mark
or
anything
yeah.
G
G
I
think
the
federal
federal
department
of
prisons
issued
a
report
that
that
66
or
65
percent
of
their
federal
inmates
were
suffering
from
a
diagnosable
mental
illness,
and
so
I
think
that
there
is
an
astounding
amount
of
mental
illness
or
mental
health
struggles
that
people
in
the
criminal
court
system
are
are
dealing
with,
and
I
think
that
when
I,
when
we
look
at
this
population,
especially
factoring
in
the
the
the
homelessness
that
we're
we're,
we're
looking
at,
if
not
a
similar
percentage,
wise,
probably
even
a
slightly
higher
percentage,
wise
of
individuals
that
are
struggling
with
with
some
type
of
mental
health
disorder,
because
that
tends
to
be
one
of
the
it
doesn't
tend
to.
G
It
is
one
of
the
most
destabilizing
things
that
people
could
struggle
with
and
not
having
access
to
the
to
a
psychiatrist
or
to
a
counselor
to
the
medication.
That
might
be
very
beneficial
tends
to
to
be
the
the
triggering
events
that
that
you
know
people
struggling
with
with
mental
health
disorders
that
tend
to
kind
of
you
know.
G
You
know
the
the
the
mental
health
conditions
tend
to
spiral
them
down
and
oftentimes
there's
an
interplay
between
the
mental
health
struggles
and
then
chemical
use,
abuse,
and
so
there's
there's.
You
know
multiple
facets
to
to
what
bring
people
into
the
the
criminal
court
system
and
and
being
charged
with
these
types
of
offenses.
But
I
think
that
you
know
the
the
really
the
the
biggest
two
are
going
to
be
the
mental
health
conditions
and
then
the
substance
use
disorders
and,
like
I
said
they
oftentimes
intertwine
with
each
other.
B
Once
going
twice,
mr
webb,
this
has
been
incredibly
helpful
and
we
really
appreciate
your
expertise
and
your
perspective,
and
if
there
aren't
any
more
questions
we
will
we
will
release
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
so
much
and
I'm
sorry
to
go
a
bit
over
over
time
that
we
scheduled.
B
B
He
has
been,
he
has
over
38
years
of
public
health
and
safety
experience
and
holds
a
master's
of
arts
degree
in
police
leadership,
administration
and
education
from
the
university
of
st
thomas
prior
to
entering
law
enforcement.
He
was
a
paramedic
for
hcmc
for
22
years
and
a
cardio
cardio
care
nurse
for
the
mayo
clinic
he's
currently
a
lieutenant
for
the
metro
transit
police
department.
B
He
spent
three
three
years
in
charge
of
internal
affairs,
the
department's
emergency
manager
and
he
helped
design
and
develop
the
department's
first
homeless
outreach
program
which
focuses
on
developing
alternatives
to
criminalizing
the
behavior
of
vulnerable
individuals.
You
can
see
he's
quite
the
expert
and
precisely
the
expert.
We
need
to
help
us
navigate
this
issue
with
the
city.
Thank
you,
lieutenant
roberto.
Please
take
it
away.
B
H
So
much
for
having
me,
I
think,
for
me,
coming
as
a
as
a
paramedic
for
22
years
in
the
city
of
minneapolis
and
then
moving
over
to
the
transit
police,
it
was
a.
It
was
quite
a
change
for
me
to
be
out
on
the
streets
and
start
to
see
the
same
people
that
I
saw
as
a
paramedic.
So
from
a
medical
standpoint,
I've
seen
people
who've
got
mental
health
problems.
Who've
got
other
issues
yet
from
the
police
lenses.
H
The
the
officers
that
surround
me
without
the
medical
experience
tended
to
see
disorderly
conduct
and
other
problems
that
that
would
lead
someone
to
incarceration
and
so
oftentimes,
especially
with
trespassing
on
a
transit
system.
H
You
basically
start
to
force
people
to
break
the
law,
because
they've
got
no
other
place
to
go
so
I
you
know
I've
got
myself
in
as
a
new
officer
as
a
rookie
officer.
It
was
a
little
difficult
for
me
because
I
would
say:
well,
I
think
they
they
need
to
go
to
the
crisis
center.
They
need
to
go
to
here
and
that's
not
exactly
how
it
was
going
to
go
on
my
field
training.
So
I
it
was.
H
It
was
definitely
a
challenge
and
when
I
got
off
of
that,
I
ended
up
being
promoted
and,
as
part
of
my
promotion,
everybody
had
to
take
on
a
problem-oriented
policing
project,
and
I
decided
at
that
point
that
I
would
look
at
how
to
decriminalize
how
we
were
handling
our
outreach
to
the
people
who
were
homeless.
H
And
so
I
I
started
and
ended
up
creating
the
homeless
action
team
and
so
we've
advanced
from
there
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
really
noticed
being
on
the
street
was
that
a
lot
of
the
same
people
that
I
ended
up
seeing
would
you
know
we
would
be
going
back
and
forth
with
the
paramedics,
so
the
paramedics
might
show
up
because
we
get
called
because
the
person
is
a
one
down
or
they're
down
on
the
pavement
and
we
get
there
and
as
a
paramedic.
H
When
I
was
a
paramedic
we
if
they
could
stand
up
and
walk,
they
would
generally
go
into
the
squad
car
if
they
could
walk
fine
and
they
could
go
off
on
their
own.
We
might
let
them
go
unless
it's
the
dead
of
winter
and
or
you
know
if
the
squad
was
going
to
take
them,
they
would
take
them
to
jail
or
they
would
take
them
to
wherever
they
might
take
them
or
we
might
leave
them.
H
H
There
we
go.
I
think
this
kind
of
demonstrates
a
lot
of
also
what
sean
was
saying
too,
and
that
is
you
know
as
confusing
as
this
slide
looks,
you
know
with
so
many.
You
know
different
circles
in
it
and
such
it
really
demonstrates
that
deep
connection
between
mental
health
and
substance,
abuse
and
and
other
chronic
health
problems
that
end
up
leading
people
into
being.
H
You
know
meet
up
with
the
police
or
meet
up
with
the
paramedics,
and
then
they
they
end
up
in
the
emergency
room
or
they
end
up
in
jail
and
oftentimes.
It's
because
we
don't
have
any
other
place
for
them
to
go
so
it
without
any
other
pathway
for
us
to
go.
We
have
to
pick
one
of
those
three
or
leave
them
leave
them
be
where
they're
at
and
then
the
next
call
that
comes
in
when
the
police
respond
out
or
the
paramedics
respond
out.
H
Then
something
needs
to
be
done,
so
they'll
have
to
go
somewhere
now
we
often
bring
them
to
the
emergency
room
and
when
we
get
them
there,
the
emergency
room
staff
might
say
well,
they
were
just
here
yesterday
or
they
were
here
the
day
before
and
you
know
they're
not
complying
with
their
medications
or
you
know,
so
it
won't
be
long
before
they
let
them
back
out
that
their
front
door
and
then
they
end
up
back
out
on
the
street
again
and
this
whole
vicious
cycle
of
instability
continues,
and
we
see
him
back
again
on
the
street
next
slide.
H
So
one
of
the
things
that,
over
in
st
paul
when
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
over
there
I
wanted-
I
started
working
with
like
st
paul
fire
and
the
saint
paul
pd
their
coast
unit,
and
we
started
to
look
at
who
really
takes
up
a
lot
of
our
resources.
And
so
we
started.
We
sat
down
and
identified
30
people
and
of
those
30
people.
H
We
had
740
contacts
in
a
year,
197
citations,
148
bookings
and
a
249
transports
to
the
emergency
room
by
the
paramedics,
and
so
when
the
paramedics
take
somebody
you're
talking
about
probably
a
3
000
or
more
dollar
transport
to
the
hospital
you're
talking
about
being
admitted
into
the
emergency
room
at
a
certain
cost
and
then
the
same
people
getting
arrested
or
cited.
And
then
you
know
that
may
creates
you
know
block
in
their
pathway
to
being
able
to
be
housed.
H
So
we
didn't
have
a
whole
lot
of
other
alternatives,
and
it's
always
you
know
a
problem
when
the
paramedics
and
the
cops
get
out
there
and
the
cops
are
going.
No,
you
take
them.
No
you
take
them,
then
you
get
to
the
emergency
room
and
they're
like
well.
We
can't
help
them,
we've
already
tried,
and
so
we
don't
have
any
alternatives.
H
So
one
of
the
the
familiar
faces
project
is
something
that
I
had
come
up
with
as
a
concept
but
began
working
with
a
group
over
in
saint
paul
and
the
project
manager
being
ellen
waters
and
roger
meyers.
We
started
to
look
at
well
who
can
we
kind
of
bring
together
that
our
experts
and
start
to
talk
about
what
our
possibilities
are
and
and
that's
when
we
brought
in
some
outside
consultants,
and
we
started
having
meetings
about
how
this
might
look
in
in
concept
and
and
how
we
might
help?
H
H
The
plan
would
be
to
have
you
know
another
alternative:
where
can
we
go
beside
jail,
beside
detox
or
beside
the
emergency
room
and
and
that
that
model
would
be
creating
something
where
we
would
identify
the
individuals
that
are
on
that
are
the
familiar
faces
so
when
they
are
triggered,
whether
it
be
through
the
police
dispatch
or
the
paramedic
dispatch
and
and
most
of
us
of
all
the
years
I
was
on
the
street
as
a
paramedic
when
you'd
pull
up
you'd
say:
oh,
that's,
jim,
that's,
jim
again,
oh
great,
that's
true
again,
so
we
know
who
the
most
of
the
people
are,
that
we
see
out
there,
and
so
it's
not
it's
not
an
unusual
thing
to
see
them
more.
H
You
know
on
a
daily
basis,
so
this
would
give
us
a
another
place
and
another
opportunity
to
bring
somebody
to
somewhere
else,
and
then
you
know
more
of
a
harm
reduction
model
on
where
we
would
go
and
bring
them.
So
the
place
would
have
24-hour
security
and
there'd
be
peer.
Specialists
and
people
that
you
know
can
follow,
follow
them
and
and
create
the
and
tailored
treatment
and
and
also
the
people
that
were
are
in
that
model.
Will
you
know
the
local
court
system
will
know
about
them.
H
So
if
we
have
an
issue
and
and
somebody
tags
them
for
something
and
we
we
need
to
fix
certain
things
so
that
we
can,
you
know,
make
sure
that
we
don't
block
a
resource
because
we
have
a
ticket
for
trespassing
or
something
else.
We
we
have
that
ability
to
work
closely
with
those
familiar
faces
and
then
keeping
it
small.
You
know
keeping
the
the
group
small
allows
you
to.
H
You,
know,
test
your
proof
of
concept
and
and
make
sure
that
you
know
it's
working
and
and
then
an
additional
30
might
come
in
as
soon
as
you
provide
a
you
know,
a
pathway
for
better
stability
for
the
individuals
who
are
in
the
program
and
and
move
to
that
next
next
group
next
slide.
H
So
when
we
looked
around
the
country
at
different
things,
one
of
the
models
that
we
loosely
were
basing
a
lot
of
the
familiar
faces
on
was
the
frequent
users
program.
It's
you
see
it
a
lot
on
the
east
coast
and
the
different
places
that
have
been
using.
It
shows
that
by
moving
people
into
housing
and
then
being
able
to
follow
them
closely,
that
you're
you're
decreasing
the
amount
of
time
that
they're
spending
in
the
hospital.
H
You
know
significantly.
The
inpatient
charges
inpatient
days
for
people
who
you
know
were
permanently
housed,
decreased
by
27
percent
versus
those
that
were
not
and
they
remained
homeless.
What
grew
by
26
percent
on
imp,
patient
charges
and
49
on
the
ones
that
were
homeless,
so
the
fuse
program
had
86
of
the
population
that
were
in
the
program
were
still
housed
two
years
later.
H
So
there
was
a
great
amount
of
success
in
that
particular
program,
and
so,
when
we
look
at
some
of
the
people
that
we
see
that
are
our
familiar
faces,
we
see
them
and
they'll
we'll
see
them
again
this
year,
we'll
see
them
again
next
year.
If
we
don't
do
anything
and
I
think
a
lot
there's
a
lot
of
resources
to
get
spent,
you
know
on
the
easy
lifts.
You
know
the
the
low-hanging
fruit
so
to
speak,
to
say:
well,
we
can.
H
We
can
lift
these
people
up
fairly
easily,
so
we'll
spend
our
money
on
that,
and
so,
but
it
doesn't
give
the
paramedics
or
the
police
officers
an
alternative,
but
to
arrest
somebody,
because
that
might
be
the
only
place
that
only
way
we're
gonna
get
somebody
in
somewhere
warm
in
the
winter
or
they
end
up
on
the
transit
system,
which
obviously
doesn't
bode
well
for
for
us
over
here
at
the
at
the
council.
H
So
so
the
idea
here
was
to
to
create
something
different
and
then
to
move
moving
that
that
direction
so
that
we
could
create
a
better
pathway
for
people,
and
I
think
that
was
the
last
slide.
But
I
don't
know
yes,
so
it's
going
to
be
an
ongoing
challenge.
It
continues
to
be,
and
you
know
again,
we'll
see
the
same
people
over
and
over
again.
If
we
continue
to
look
the
other
way,
I
think
that's
all
I've
got
for
this
presentation.
B
But
just
a
couple
call
outs
one.
You
know:
we've
had
some
meetings,
commissioner
sylvester
and
you
and
I
have
had
some
meetings
where
basically
we
discussed
that
it's
not
like
law
enforcement
officers
wake
up
in
the
morning
and
they
think
you
know.
I
hope
I
arrest
10
people
for
public
urination
today,
like
that's
just
not
what
cops
want
to
do,
but
you
pointed
out
there
might
not
be
an
alternative
today
to
just
an
arrest
like
that's
their
option,
that's
their
tool.
B
So
so
just
you
know
just
so
I'm
clear
this
isn't
saying
like
you
know,
this
isn't
like
an
anti-police
kind
of
thing.
This
is
like
a
tool.
This
is
a
place
that
police
officers
can
take
people
or
you
know
this
is
something
we
can
all
do
together
as
a
community
to
really
try
and
lift
up
and
address
chronic.
Would
you
call
them
high-frequency
individuals.
H
H
Sometimes
they
end
up
right
out
on
the
corner
of
you
know
7th
in
chicago
there
right
at
the
bus
stop
or
wherever
else
and
they're
going
to
be
right
back
in
the
eye
of
the
the
the
public
again
and
and
it's
the
public
that
calls.
So
even
if
the
police
get
there
and
we
leave
the
person,
it
won't
be
long
before
another
call
is
triggered
by
somebody
else
and
at
some
point
or
another,
we
can't
just
keep
coming
there
and
leaving
people.
H
So
if
there's
an
alternative
for
someone,
especially
that
we're
going
to
see
over
and
over
again
and
and
we
do
in
the
22
years,
I
was
a
paramedic
on
the
street
to
moving
to
being
a
police
officer
on
the
street.
B
Any
questions
from
the
commission
for
lieutenant
roberto
and
also
I
just
want
to
call
out
that
commissioner
sylvester
has
been
doing
so
much
work
on
this
front
for
the
past
six
months
and
commissioner
sylvester
introduced
me
to
lieutenant,
roberto
and
and
kind
of
made
this
connection
and
he's
been
guiding
his
work
so
expressing
my
gratitude
to
both
lieutenant
rehearsals
investor.
I
Yeah
I
got
a
quick
one
there
and
and
first
off
appreciate
the
presentation.
It's
really
awesome,
very
insightful
and
and
just
wild
that
there's
so
few
options.
My
question,
I
might
have
missed
it,
but
you
mentioned
there's
like
short-term
incentives
for
like
engagement.
H
They've
had
some
success,
and
this
goes
back.
You
know
20
or
more
years
where
they
would
there'd
be
some
mild
payments,
for
you
know
keeping
yourself
a
little
bit
more
straight
and
you
know
not
how
many
times
you
interact
end
up,
seeing
so,
let's
say
you're
a
familiar
face.
H
We
have
a
place
to
bring
you
and
you
go
back
there,
but
you
still
ended
up
in
jail
or
you
ended
up
in
the
emergency
room
two
or
three
times
there
might
be
a
stipend
each
week
that
you
would
not
get
then
and
so
that
that's
been
used
before
with
success.
H
Obviously
it
can
be
a
little
bit
controversial,
but
sometimes
people
need
something
a
little
different
to
you
know
to
maintain
you
know
they
might
think
twice
they
go
okay,
oh
boy,
I'm
gonna
lose
my
hundred
dollars
or
I'm
gonna
lose
my
50
whatever
it
might
be
because
it
even
if
it's
25
or
50,
that's
still
a
lot
when
you're
on
the
street
or
or
when
you're.
When
you
your
means
are
limited.
H
And
it's
all
proof
of
concept,
it's
all
concept
right
now,
so
it's
all
something
that
you
know.
Obviously
it's
flexible.
However,
the
program
is
implemented,
but
you
know
health
partners
and
others
had
already
looked
at.
You
know
what
what
sort
of
donations
or
or
what
sort
of
assistance
that
they
could
give,
because
obviously
the
health
care
system
is
burdened
in
cases
like
that,
and
so,
when
you
look
at
your
community
paramedics
and
your
your
others
that
go
out
to
housing,
that's
meant
to
keep
people
out
of
the
emergency
rooms.
H
J
J
If
you
ever
really
want
to
get
kind
of
recharged
about
the
relationship
between
homelessness
and
kind
of
progress
and
the
people
that
are
doing
this
right
and
stuff
like
that,
like
look
into
metro,
transit,
pd
and
look
into
the
homeless
action
team
and
look
into
the
work
that
they're
doing,
and
it
will
fill
you
with
excitement
about
the
work
that
we're
doing
here,
because
it's
kind
of
right
in
the
same
vein,
and
it's
it's
it's
the
folks
that
you
really
want
to
see
and
it's
super
exciting
lieutenant.
H
It's
it's,
it's
well
organized
they.
They
love
it.
Obviously
they
like
the
idea
and
the
concept,
but
it
you
know
in
all
that's
been
done.
It's
really
kind
of
come
to
a
point
where
it
hasn't
gone
to
the
final
part
of
the
conclusion
and
other
things
have
kind
of
stepped
in
and,
and
I
think
part
of
it
regions
and
others,
it's
kind
of
a
hipaa
thing
of
well.
H
How
do
I
truly
identify
the
people
and
how
they
so
and
there
was
and
there's
a
little
bit
of
mission
creep,
as
other
people
say:
okay.
Well,
we
get
this
for
a
a
safe
haven.
Can
we
add
these
people
to
it
to
work?
And
we
do
this,
so
I
I
think,
looking
at
it
through
the
lenses
of
a
new
group
after
it's
already
been
brought,
this
far
might
be
an
easier,
easier
lift,
but
I
I
think
it
had
well
support
of
the
mayor
and
and
everyone
over
there
and
it's
it's.
H
It
just
has
not
gone
further
at
this
point,
so
it's
kind
of
I
think
it's
up
in
the
air
and
ready
to
to
move
move.
If
anybody
wants
it,
I
guess
and
it
may
come
into
play
over
there,
but
at
this
point
I
don't
see
it
happening
for
a
while.
H
B
H
Yep
yeah
there's
there's
nothing
stopping
you
and
you
know
the
the
and
I
made
sure
that
both
the
prod
the
project
manager
ellen
waters.
She,
you
know,
gave
me
the
additional
stuff
that
we've
all
turned
in
and
gone
over
and
and
I
I
gave
that
commissioner
sarah
to
hand
out
so
she
said
go
for
it.
H
It
may
be
too
hard
to
do
versus
if
you
did
it
with
20
people
or
less
or
even
15,
you're
more
likely
to
find
a
place,
you're
more
likely
to
find
and
have
that
ability
to
to
bring
in
the
people
to
to
treat
and
to
focus,
treatment
on
them
and
and
and
change
change
their
lives.
B
H
Correct
correct
and
if
you
look
at
what
those
statistics
were
for
the
30
people,
it's
it's
amazing
you're,
talking
about
740
contacts
for
30
people,
talking
about
240
transports,
to
the
emergency
room
and
the
charges
that
go
along
with
that
are
enormous
and,
and
it
is
the
people
as
paramedics
and
and
police
officers.
We
know
my
name,
you
show
up
it's
like
whoa
up
and
you
walk
out
and
you
call
them.
They
know
you.
H
So
it's
we
know
who
they
are
and
it's
it's
it's
those
people
that
need
help
too,
that
we
tend
to
look
over
because
you
know
it's
too
hard
and
well
if
it's
too
hard
in
a
year
from
now,
it'll
still
be
too
hard
if
they're,
if
they're
still
alive.
But
you
know
we,
we
have
that
chance
to
kind
of
give
them
back
to
their
their
family
and
whoever
else
but
and
anybody
else
is
giving
up
on
them.
But
if
we
don't
they'll,
be
there
again
on
our
next
shift.
B
I
do
have
this.
He
gave
me
sort
of
an
information
sheet.
It
wasn't
quite
ready
to
be
put
on
the
public
agenda
and
sort
of
bounced
around
the
city,
but
you
know
behind
the
scenes
we
can,
if
any
individuals
would
like
that,
I
can
share
that.
Commissioner
crockett.
I
Hey,
oh
one,
more
question
there
and
I'm
sorry
if
I
I
might
have
missed
it
or
so.
But
what
were
what
were
some
of
the
ideas
or
or
things
that
were
talked
about
as
far
as
like
funding
and
or
ideal
funding.
H
H
You
know
the
the
county,
the
city,
the
the
mayor's
office
and
others
that
all
looked
at
at
putting
funding
in
health
partners
had
you
know
when
we
did
that
when
I
did
the
initial
discussion
at
the
mental
health
roundtable
over
at
regents
hospital
and
mayor
carter,
was
there
that's
kind
of
where
he
took
it
on?
H
You
know,
for
the
city
like
like
the
concept
and
the
health
partners
was
was
already
talking
about,
yes,
that
it
would
be
something
that
because
it
would
decrease
medical
and
other
other
expenses
in
the
long
run,
by
keeping
people
out
of
the
emergency
room
and
not
paying
for
that
that
ambulance
right.
You
know
that
it's,
those
are
those
are
value.
H
That's
that's
value
that
they
can
give
back
to
the
community
by
investing
in
it.
So
I
think
that
there
were,
there
were
other
you
know,
foundations
and
such
that
would
be
also
would
likely
be
interested
in
a
in
a
concept,
especially
since
you
know,
we've
really
spent
a
lot
of
time
kind
of
working
out
a
lot
of
the
way
it
should
look
and
what
would
be.
B
We
do
have
the
minneapolis
foundation,
for
example,
and
you
know
hcmc
and
and
other
medical
partners,
and
so
we
kind
of
have
analogous
partners
on
this
side
of
the
rivers.
We
work
with
too
any
other
questions
for
lieutenant
roberto.
B
B
B
Okay,
so
that
was
like
a
dream
team
of
of
speakers.
There
was
one
other
speaker
who
wasn't
able
to
make
it
tonight
harvard
law-
professor
alexandra
nadapov-
she
couldn't
be
here
tonight,
but
she
did
address
the
policy
and
procedure
subcommittee
on
may
27th
2021
and
that
her
remarks
are
available
on
youtube.
So
there's
a
problem
with
limbs
where
we
cannot
hyperlink
a
youtube
video,
so
I
wasn't
able
to
hyperlink
it
to
this
agenda.
B
But
if
you
go
to
the
city's
youtube
channel
and
look
at
the
may,
27
2021
policy
and
procedure
subcommittee
meeting
professor
nadapot
speaks
from
the
15
minute
time
stamp
to
the
32
minute
time
stamp.
So
it's
about
a
17
minute
presentation
and
she
also
gave
a
real.
You
know
real
knockout
discussion
of
how
misdemeanors
these
particularly
these
nuisance
misdemeanors.
Are
they
just
cast
this
very
wide
net
and
bring
people
into
the
criminal
court
system
in
a
very
negative
and
harmful
way?
B
And
if
we
really
want
to
be
serious
about
addressing
police
reform
and
criminal
court
reform,
we
have
to
look
at
misdemeanors,
not
so
much.
The
felonies
I
mean
misdemeanors
is
really
where
this
work
is
done.
She
gave
a
really
great
talk,
so
I
encourage
everyone
to
watch
that
and
if
commissioner
sebastian
has
any
comments,
mr
sylvester
was
at
that
meeting
with
that.
B
I
would
like
to
open
up
the
discussion
of
nuisance
misdemeanors
and
I
would
like
to
just
kind
of
give
a
summary
of
the
work
we've
been
doing
in
the
policy
procedure
subcommittee.
We've
been
doing
this
for
about
six
months.
B
I
occasionally
bring
updates
here
to
the
full
commission,
so
it's
kind
of
gone
back
and
forth
a
little
bit,
but
commissioner
sevester
and
I
thought
that
we've
kind
of
we've
kind
of
reached
the
peak
of
the
work
that
we've
been
trying
to
do,
and
it
was
ready
to
bring
to
the
full
commission
for
a
discussion.
B
I
have
attached
some
additional
resources
to
the
agenda.
One
is
professor
rachel
moran
wrote
a
law
article
specifically
on
disorderly
conduct
like
that
specific
misdemeanor
and
how
that
is
problematic
and
has
a
very
specific
concerns.
There's
also
a
suffolk
county
study
out
of
boston.
B
That
looks
at
what
happened
when
the
prosecutor
in
suffolk
county
boston
just
stopped
prosecuting
livability
or
nuisance
misdemeanors
and
people
thought
that
other
kinds
of
like
crime
would
skyrocket,
because
there
was
no
prosecution,
and
you
know
just
like
the
sky
would
fall
on
everything
and
actually
what
they
found
in
in
boston
was
that
crime
went
down
and
it
was
a
net
gain
for
the
community
to
stop
prosecuting
these
very
specific
kind
of
misdemeanors.
B
So
that's
an
academic
study,
it's
like
68
pages
long
or
something
like
that,
but
a
good
resource.
I
also
added
the
cohen
study
of
the
cost
of
homelessness,
because
you
know,
commissioner
crockett
asked
a
good
question
about
funding.
None
of
this
is
free.
All
of
this
costs
money.
What
the
cohen
article
said
is
that
if
you
invest
in
homelessness
services
like
familiar
faces
program,
housing,
social
services,
medication,
that
kind
of
thing
it
does
cost
money
up
front,
but
financially
it
benefits
the
community
that
that
makes
that
investment.
B
You
actually
get
a
return
on
your
investment,
because,
in
the
same
way
that
lieutenant
roberto
was
speaking
of
you
kind
of
get
the
people
out
of
the
really
expensive.
Like
a
constant
cycle
of
emergency
room
visits
or
spending
a
night
in
jail
or
going
to
court
and
you
kind
of
level
them
out,
get
them
back
on
their
feet
and
they
can
be
productive
members
of
society.
So
there
is
an
upfront
cost
to
it,
but
the
city
gets
that
cost
back.
B
You
know
actually,
in
the
cohen
article
within
two
years,
so
kind
of
supporting
what
lieutenant
roberto
was
saying
and
in
terms
of
a
group
of
people
that
minneapolis
could
work
with.
B
We
actually
have
a
very
specific
group
of
people.
There
is
within
minneapolis
a
project.
It's
called
the
strategic
justice,
strategic
justice,
partnership
or
sjp.
It
used
to
be
called
downtown
100..
It's
a
group
of
high
free.
I
don't
know
high
contact,
high
frequency,
individuals,
people,
it's
that
same
group
of
people
who
have
like
kind
of
like
the
chronic
arrest,
emergency
room,
jail
kind
of
cycle.
B
The
list
is
right
now
at
23
people,
and
I
did
attach
that
to
the
agenda.
It
kind
of
hovers
around
20
to
24
people
and
looking
at
racial
demographics.
It's
almost
exclusively
black
and
native
american
people
on
that
list.
B
So
and
almost
everyone
on
that
list,
I
can
tell
you:
I
was
a
public
defender
and
I
represented
many
individuals
who,
at
the
time,
were
on
the
downtown
100
list.
B
Almost
everyone
on
that
list
has
serious
and
chronic
serious
and
persistent
mental
illness
coupled
with
drug
or
alcohol
addiction,
or
you
know
some
kind
of
combination
they're
in
so
you're
really
dealing
with
people
with
a
very
acute
specific
needs,
and
you
can't
you
can't
do
the
same
thing
for
them
that
you
would
do
with
other
groups
and
just
expect
everything
to
work
out
like
it.
Just
you
need
something
else,
and
when
professor
excu
lieutenant
roberto
gave
his
presentation
to
me
and
commissioner
sylvester
I
mean
I
almost
started
to
weep.
B
I
was
just
like
this
is
what
we
need.
This
is
this
is
the
thing
like
I've
been
waiting
for
this
I've
been
waiting
for
this
moment,
and,
and
here
it
is
and
he's
done,
the
research
and
he's
got
all
the
statistics
and
he's
got
so
many
community
partners
lined
up,
and
you
know,
he's
got
law
enforcement
partners
lined
up
and
and
medical
professionals
lined
up
and
that's
what
we
need.
We
really
need
this
holistic
community
response.
It
can't
just
be
one
group
so
kind
of
the
culmination
of
all
this
research
and
study.
B
All
these
guest
speakers
we've
had
seems
to
be
pointing
us
in
the
direction
of
providing
services
to
one
like
special
group
of
people
and
in
minneapolis.
We
actually
have
that
pilot
group
with
the
sjp
or
the
downtown
100
group.
So
I
I've
been
talking
a
lot
I'd
like
to
open
it
up.
Would
any
commissioners
like
to
ask
question
offer
an
opinion?
B
D
Thank
you
for
bringing
these
presentations
in,
and
I
I
just
want
to
say
this
also
like
similar
to
your
experience,
commissioner.
Sarah
I
do
immigration
law
and
work
and
deportation
proceedings,
and
this
is
overlaps
with
the
communities
that
end
up,
especially
black
immigrants,
who
end
up
in
deportation
proceedings
who,
when
they
get
arrested,
rather
than
maybe
sent
to
some
mental
health
services
or
a
safe
haven.
Those
arrest
reports,
there's
no
evidentiary,
like
standards
and
immigration
courts.
So
those
arrest
reports
make
it
into
the
record
and
are
part
of
their
proceedings.
D
So
it's
kind
of
almost
a
double
whammy
there.
When
someone
is
not
a
u.s
citizen,
and
so
I'm
just
interested
in
how
we
can
best
advocate
for
this
programming,
I
think
it
would
be
is
something
our
commission
should
be
looking
at,
and
I
I
just
wan
you
know
I'm
happy
to
want
to
learn
more,
just
basically
how
we
can
support
the
creation
of
it
because
it
seems
like
it
should
be.
B
That's
such
an
excellent
point,
and
I
love
that
we
have
so
many
people
with
different
professional
expertise.
I
I
didn't
even
bring
up
the
immigration
aspect,
but
that's
absolutely
right
and
it's
so
imperative
for
us
to
think
about.
Commissioner
sylvester,
did
you
have
any
comments
or
questions.
J
J
J
We
have
hennepin
healthcare
involved
on
our
side
of
the
river,
primarily
and
then
we
also
have
metro,
transit
and
metro
transit
or
I'm
sorry,
the
met
council
who
oversees
metro
transit
and
that
that
met
council
reports
directly
to
the
governor
in
a
lot
of
respects,
and
so
there's
there's
a
huge
funding
stream
like
available
and
there's
a
lot
of
different,
very
well-funded
entities
that
touch
this
population
on
a
really
regular
basis,
and
so,
when
we
think
about
funding
when
we
think
about
who
to
approach
when
we
think
about
advocacy,
this
isn't
just
you
know:
let's
go
to
the
mayor
right
or
let's
go
to
the
county
board.
J
This
is
you
know,
let's
try
to
spread
this
cost
across
a
number
of
different
entities.
I
still
feel
like
our
city
is
crying
out
in
a
lot
of
ways
for
very
practical,
very
applicable
public
safety
change,
and
it's
not
your
pardon
the
expression.
But
it's
not
flashy
right,
like
low-level
misdemeanor
stuff.
It's
not
the
big
kind
of
home
run
public
safety
stuff
that
I
think
people
were
looking
for
after
the
murder
of
george
floyd.
But
I
think
after
you
know
doing
this
work
for
a
year.
J
If
we
look
at
the
percentage
of
folks
who
are
people
of
color
that
we
talked
about
tonight,
who
are
interacting
on
such
a
regular
base
on
such
a
regular
basis
with
law
enforcement,
if
we
can
reduce
those
interactions,
that's
a
that's
a
real
serious,
that's
a
real
serious
impact
on
the
benefit
of
some
people's
lives.
So
anyway,
I
I
will
gush
about
this
work.
I
will
get
excited
about
this
work
because
it
directly
impacts
me
professionally
and
personally,
but
just
know.
There's
multiple
funding
streams
available
for
this
kind
of
stuff.
B
C
Hello,
I
just
had
a
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
comment
about
the
the
funding.
I
mean
it's
an
exciting
discussion,
it's
kind
of
what
I
when
I
signed
on
to
here,
so
I'm
really
glad
to
hear
from
everybody
about
it
tonight,
but
I
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
comment
that
so
you
know
professionally.
C
I
work
in
the
healthcare
space
and
in
a
previous
role,
I
worked
a
lot
with
a
team
of
nurse
teams
of
nurse
practitioners
who
would
be
in
a
basically
a
public
health
plan
and
they
would
interact
with
people
who
were
frequently
unsheltered.
They
would
be
covered
by
a
health
plan
from
the
state
or
the
county
and
they
would
basically
go
find
these
people
wherever
they
were
to
provide
health
care
services,
and
it
was
an
interesting
role.
I
learned
a
lot.
C
It
was
very
eye
opening
for
me,
but
the
main
thing
I
learned
is
that
the
shelter
for
people
who
have
chronic
health
conditions,
mental
health,
physical
health,
your
diabetes,
high
blood
pressure
stuff
like
that
is
probably
I
mean
I
I
think
I
decided
myself.
It's
probably
the
one
number
one
determinant
for
their
health
outcomes.
C
If
you
don't
have
consistent
shelter,
a
place
with
just
a
place
with
an
address
those
services
can't
come
to
you
you
I
mean
you
can't
see
a
doctor,
you
can't
get
a
prescription
filled,
and
these
are
the
people
who
are
going
to
the
emergency
room
three
times
a
week
because
they're
in
a
diabetic
coma-
and
you
want
to
talk
about
the
exorbitant
public
expense
that
that
becomes.
C
I
suppose
the
initial
investment
that
we
talked
about
is
a
drop
in
the
bucket
compared
to
the
expense
of
just
letting
these
people
fund
for
themselves
and
get
into
the
into
the
system.
The
benefits
are
absolutely
massive
of
having
something
like
familiar
faces,
just
a
place
where
people
can
go
even
if
it's
only
intermittently
successful,
it's
a
hugely
like
positive
investment.
The
cost
savings
to
the
public
is
enormous.
The
quality
of
life
improvements
are
incalculable.
C
There
should
be
nothing
controversial
about
it
and
it
just
shouldn't
be
so
I
do
sometimes
people
talk
about
that
kind
of
thing
like
on
the
sober
living
harm
reduction
type
of
stuff,
like
sort
of
in
my
community
where
I
live,
they
don't
like
it
because
they,
they
just
think
people
aren't
being
responsible
or
whatever,
and
I
sort
of
lose
my
patience
when
I
hear
that
side
of
the
argument,
because
the
the
real
answer
is
that
these
are
relatively
inexpensive
quite
frankly
and
the
benefit
is
so
high,
it
just
seems
like
an
absolute
no-brainer
to
me
and
that's,
I
think,
if
you
talk
to
almost
anybody,
who's
actually
worked
in
the
health
field
or
the
public
service
field.
J
With
the
met
council,
the
med
council
has
access
to
a
tremendous
amount
of
housing
vouchers
and
so
and
and
I've
been
on
ride-alongs
with
the
homeless
action
team.
I
know
these
guys.
We
work
with
them.
J
They
will
literally
take
somebody
who
is
unsheltered
living
on
a
train
and
because
they
have
direct
access
to
these
housing
vouchers,
they
will
put
people
in
an
apartment
within
like
a
month
and
they
will
work
with
bridging
to
get
them
furniture
and
they
do
all
this
stuff
and
it's
just
incredible
how
they've
broken
down
all
of
the
different
barriers
between
finding
somebody,
who's
unsheltered
who
needs
services
and
putting
them
directly
into
an
apartment
where
they
can
be
stable.
Work
on
their
medications
work
on
their
criminal
cases
if
they
have
them.
J
You
know
work
through
these
kind
of
minor
misdemeanor
issues
that
they
might
have
and
really
keep
in
touch
with
these
folks
and
really
stabilize
these
folks.
The
the
work
that
they're
doing
in
that
space
alone
is
just
breathtaking
and
it's
the
kind
of
work
that
you
look
at
it
and
you
say
why
isn't
everybody
doing
this
because
everybody
doesn't
have
a
lieutenant
roberto,
you
know
kind
of
leading
that
effort.
So
that's
that's
the
kind
of
person
we're
talking
about
here.
J
That's
the
kind
of
effort,
the
kind
of
knowledge,
the
kind
of
experience
that
we're
that
we're
hopefully
going
to
be
tapping
into
here.
B
I
would
so
probably
need
to
wrap
up
this
piece
of
our
presentation,
but
I
want
to
say
this
is
so.
This
is
a
very
specific
narrow
slice
of
of
what
we
might
do
to
address
nuisance.
Misdemeanors
there's
some
other
options
for
us
that
I
can
think
of,
and
maybe
others
would
have
other
one
thing
I
would
like
to
propose
so
just
taking
the
familiar
faces
project.
B
What
I'm
hearing
is
resounding
support,
so
I
I
think
it
would
make
sense
for
us
to
somehow
just
sort
of
escalate
this
to
council
and
the
mayor
and
just
kind
of
say
here
here.
This
is
you
know,
and
please
call
lieutenant
roberto
and
he's
kind
of
got
all
the
information.
I
don't
know
how
how
else
to
really
move
it
forward,
but
that's
kind
of
my
best
idea
about
how
to
do
that.
So,
if
folks
are
supportive
of
that,
does
anyone
want
to
discuss
that?
B
Well,
I'm
seeing
nods,
you
know
I'll
make
a
motion
that
as
a
chair
I
will
just
write
sort
of
you
know
I
will
reach
out
to
council
and
the
mayor's
office
and
kind
of
summarize
this
presentation
and
provide
lieutenant
roberto's
contact,
information
and
and
just
sort
of
say
that
we
as
a
commission,
support
this
and
we
hope
it
can
move
forward.
C
I'm
sorry
this
is
vice.
Chair
sparks.
E
E
E
B
Wait
that
motion
passes
and
I
will
take
those
next
steps.
Thank
you
very
much
for
that
now.
Having
said
that,
that
only
addresses
a
very
narrow
sliver
of
the
population
who
are
impacted
by
nuisance
misdemeanors.
There
are
some
other
steps
we
can
take.
One
such
step
is
recommending
that
council
consider
decriminalizing
these
nuisance
misdemeanor
offenses.
B
We
can
see
the
major
racial
disparities
and
how
these
are
enforced,
but
loiter
was
the
most
stark.
Loiter
was
almost
exclusively
black
individuals
being
arrested
and
sighted
and
and
all
of
the
all
of
the
others
exhibited
very
significant
racial
disparities
as
well.
B
Now,
there's
a
whole
number
of
reasons
that
go
into
that,
and
you
know
poverty
sociology
law
enforcement.
You
know,
there's
all
these
things,
but
if
we
really
want
to
cut
it
off
and
really
just
intervene,
I
think
council
should
consider
decriminalizing
some
of
these
nuisance
offenses,
and
there
is
precedent
for
that.
A
couple
of
years
ago
they
looked
at
the
spitting
ordinance.
It
was
a
misdemeanor
to
spit
on
the
sidewalk
and
it
was
also
enforced
almost
exclusively
against
black
individuals
and
the
council
just
took
it
off
the
books.
B
Does
anyone
think
that's
bad?
You
know
you
don't
have
to
agree
with
me.
C
I'm
supposed
to
call
myself
vice
chair
or
not
I'm
totally
uncomfortable
with
that
whole
thing,
but
yeah,
I
generally,
I
think
it's
a
good
thing.
I
think
at
least,
if
we
approach
council
with
it,
it
brings
a
lot
of
attention
to
the
issue
I
mean
hopefully,
and
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
I
mean
why
are
we
wasting
all
this
time
and
resources
on
a
unenforced
thing?
What
are
really
very,
I
mean
their
new
nuisance,
misdemeanors
right,
it's
very
petty,
it
seems
petty.
D
Sorry
I
came
in
late.
It's
commissioner
mcguire.
I
just
wholeheartedly
agree.
We
should
bring
it
to
the
council.
I
would
just
appreciate
if,
if
anyone
with
a
more
criminal
background
would
have
any
other,
like
a
reason
not
to
decriminalize
it
such
as
if
this
is
like
a
lesser
plea
to
other
other
offenses
or
something
along
those
lines,
it's
just
not
an
area,
I'm
familiar
with.
B
Commissioner,
mcguire,
that's
a
super
good
point
and
we
actually
brought
that
up
in
subcommittee
with
professor
moran
when
she
spoke.
There
is
some
tension
around
that
like
having
the
opportunity
to
plead
to
a
lesser.
B
B
They
were
perhaps
being
loud
or
disruptive
or
something,
and
so
by
offering
this
lesser,
like
disorderly
conduct
or
loiter
you're,
criminalizing
behavior
you're
still
giving
them
that
misdemeanor
conviction,
even
though
it's
lesser
than
you
know
a
trespass
or
something
but
you're
still
bringing
them
into
the
criminal
court
system,
and
so,
and
so
what
professor
moran
opined
is
that,
on
balance,
any
benefit
of
having
that
lesser
charge
is
an
option
on
balance
it
doesn't
it
actually
doesn't
become
a
benefit
it
actually,
you
know
just
serves
to
increase
the
number
of
people
who
are
in
the
criminal
court
system
and
pleading
guilty,
and
then
they
have
fines,
and
if
you
don't
pay
your
fines,
you
can
lose
your
license
and
you
know
the
spiral
and
and
also
just
to
say,
I'm
only
kind
of
talking
about
bringing
this
up
to
the
council
and
just
sort
of
giving
this
to
them
and
saying
hey?
E
B
B
D
J
B
All
right
well,
then,
I'd
make
a
motion
to
just
bring
up
the
possibility
to
counsel
of
decriminalizing
nuisance
misdemeanors
and
providing
this
data
and
inviting
council
to
engage
with
pcoc
in
that
in
that
discussion,
if
they
choose
to.
E
E
E
B
Okay,
hearing
nothing
I'll
move
on
to
our
next
order
of
business,
which
is
the
arbitration
discussion
item.
This
is
something
we
also
discussed,
the
full
commission.
Previously,
I
don't
recall-
which
month
we
sent
it
back
to
the
policy
and
procedure
subcommittee
for
sort
of
further
research.
B
B
So
of
those
26
arbitrations,
the
city
prevailed
in
16.
the
terminations
were
upheld,
so
we
won.
So
we
wanted
about
two
thirds
of
the
time
the
remaining
ten,
the
city,
the
termination
was
overturned.
So
you
might
say
the
city
lost,
or
the
officer
was
reinstated.
B
What
we
decided
to
do.
What
this
commission
decided
asked
the
policy
and
procedure
subcommittee
to
do
was
to
look
at
those
10
and
just
kind
of
see
if
we
could
isolate
any
issues
or
what
we
might
discover.
So
as
best
as
we
could,
we
attempted
to
look
at
those
10.
We
still
haven't
received
all
10
decisions
from
the
city,
but
we
did
receive
that
seven
actually,
eight,
we
did
receive
eight
and-
and
we
also
know
the
outcomes
of
all
ten.
B
So
here's
what
we've
discovered
about
the
ten
9
out
of
10
times
the
termination
was
overturned
and
the
officer
was
reinstated.
B
However,
discipline
was
imposed,
so
you
know
it
was
something
less
than
a
termination,
but
there
was
discipline
which
of
course,
is
public
record
and
it
goes
in
the
officer's
file,
and
you
know
it
could
be
used
for
future
arbitration
if
it
ever
came
to
that
again.
Only
one
time,
only
one
out
of
26
times
was
the
termination
upheld
and
no
discipline
was
imposed.
Another
way
of
putting
it
was
that
the
officer
was
just
kind
of
completely
exonerated
of
of
the
allegation.
B
So
looking
at
that,
I
did
include
as
many
decisions
as
we've
had
in
the
in
the
agenda.
I
included
just
some
pie
charts
just
to
kind
of
visualize
what
we're
looking
at,
and
I
also
included
some
summary
data
when
commissioner
sylvester
and
I
were
looking
at
the
decisions
where
we
lost
where
the
city
did
not
prevail,
we
noticed
a
pattern
which
was
that
the
city
in
some
way
didn't
follow
the
human
resources
procedures
or
the
civil
service
rule
procedures
for
implementing
discipline.
There
was
some
sort
of
break
in
the
process.
B
Sometimes
it
was
disappear.
Disparate
treatment,
where
one
officer
was
disciplined,
you
know,
was
terminated
for
conduct
that
other
officers
were
not
disciplined
for
at
all.
Sometimes
it
was
that
they
that
human
resources
or
internal
affairs
didn't
properly
investigate,
like
they
didn't
interview,
a
key
witness
or
follow
up
on
a
tip,
or
you
know
what
have
you,
and
so
you
know
it
was
overturned
that
way.
So,
basically,
the
pattern
we
were
noticing
is
a
problem
internally
in-house,
with
consistently
following
the
rules
around
discipline
and
applying
them
consistently
across
the
board.
B
B
B
B
B
B
We
thought
it'd
be
appropriate
to
bring
it
back
to
the
full
commission
and
what
we
would
like
to
do
is
suggest
that
we
send
this
to
the
audit
subcommittee
for
a
proper
research
and
study
to
look
at
the
10
decisions
that
were
overturned
and
and
have
a
a
formal
research
and
study
with
a
formal
recommendation
to
city
leadership
as
to
what
we
can
do
to
improve
our
outcomes
in
arbitration,
and
I
think
that,
even
though
these
resources
and
studies
you
know
it
takes
a
lot
of
work
and
they're
they're
time-consuming
this
one
would
be
a
very
finite
data
set.
B
It's
10
decisions.
You
know,
you
know,
there's
a
finite
amount
of
data
and
I
think
it
could
happen.
You
know
it
doesn't
have
to
take
as
long
as
some
of
the
other
major
projects
that
we've
opened.
B
E
E
I
I
can
go
quick,
I'm
just
curious
to
me.
This
is.
B
J
Okay,
wonderful
yeah.
I
think
this
again
low
hanging
fruit.
This
is
a
great
piece
I
think,
to
bring
to
the
council.
It's
also
a
great
piece
to
let
the
public
know
that
this
is
something
that
we
found
and
yeah.
I
think
I
think
this
is
another
great
way
to
kind
of
make
the
work
of
this
commission
known
publicly.
I
I
B
Yeah,
I
think
it's
more
about
the
outcome.
There
were
different
allegations
at
play
somewhere
around
excessive
force
somewhere
a
criminal
charge
of
domestic
violence.
B
One
was
saying
you
were
in
a
meeting
when
you
weren't
in
a
meeting
I
mean
they
kind
of
run.
The
gamut
of
what
misconduct
looks
like
the
the
through
line
was
really
just
that
we
could
see
was
just
that.
The
you
know
the
process
for
discipline
wasn't
followed
or
it
wasn't
followed
consistently.
I
should
say,
but
one
thing
I
should
have
said
is:
these
were
really
heavily
redacted
opinions.
B
B
Perhaps
you
could
view
the
10
opinions
unredacted
in
a
in
a
private
space,
not
in
not
in
a
public
meeting,
but
you
know
off
the
record,
so
you
could
actually
read
it
unredacted.
If
there's
nuance
there
there's
new
ones
there
and
if
there's
any,
you
know,
findings
to
present,
you
could
do
that.
You
know
and
it
would
be
more
accurate
for
all
of
us.
C
Oh
yeah,
I
was
just
going
to
say:
I
think
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
It'd
be
nice
for
our
subcommittee
to
have
something
to
look
at.
That's
not
a
huge
study,
finite
data
set
like
you
said
it
would
be
nice
to
focus
on
something
that
actually
has
a
start
and
end
point.
So
I
like
it.
B
Well
without
further
discussion,
then
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
send
this
matter
arbitration
matter
to
the
audit
subcommittee
to
open
a
formal
research
and
study
on
the
10
instances
where
the
city
lost
an
arbitration
or
the
decision
was
partially
overturned
in
perpetration
and
to
you
know,
try
to
do
a
root
cause
analysis
of
what
caused
the
the
bad
outcome
so
to
speak
and
what
recommendations
we
might
offer
to
improve
outcomes
in
future
arbitration.
J
K
Madam
sheriff
I
might,
this
is
assistant
city
attorney,
fussy.
K
Thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
make
one
quick
comment.
Certainly
I
think
this
is
a.
This
is
an
appropriate
motion
to
make,
but
I
did
want
to
you
know.
I
guess
reiterate
the
advice
that
I've,
given
a
number
of
times
that
I
you
do
have
to
heal
closely
to
your
ordinance
authority,
to
give,
I
guess,
recommendations
regarding
police
procedure
so,
to
the
extent
it
might
touch
upon
procedures
or
policies
of
other
departments
in
the
city.
K
B
B
B
So
I
think
we
had
a
second
to
the
motion
and
taking
in
mind
mr
fussy's
advice
to
our
commission.
Would
the
clerk
please
call
the
role.
E
B
That
motion
carries-
and
I
will
contact
commissioner
pino
to
to
start
that
work
in
the
community.
Thank
you.
So
the
next
order
of
business
is
the
mpd
discipline
policy
discussion
item
this
goes
hand
in
hand,
and
I
wanted
to
have
it
third
on
our
discussion
items.
B
It
goes
hand
in
hand
with
arbitration,
because,
as
commissioner
sylvester
and
I
were
reading
these
opinions,
what
we're
really
noticing
the
problem
was
disparate
impact
or
inconsistent
discipline
and-
and
that
was
a
problem
with
arbitration
and
then
looking
at
existing
mpd
policy
recently
in
december
31st
of
2020.
So
just
you
know
just
this
year
start
this
year
there
was
a
change
to
mpd
policy
on
discipline
and
I
have
attached
a
document
that
shows
what
the
empathy
policy
said
last
year
and
what
it
says
now.
B
Any
sustained
finding
and
misconduct
shall
result
in
discipline
and
discipline
is
anything
from
a
reprimand
up
to
termination
and
then
it
changed
and
said
that
the
chief
can
issue
discipline
if
any
and
individuals
will
be
subject
to
discipline,
but
that
it's
not
mandatory
and
in
addition
to
all
the
kinds
of
discipline
that
existed
before
reprimand
termination,
all
that
there
is
now
an
option
of
coaching-
and
you
know
coaching
existed
prior
to
this
year,
but
but
this
is
the
first
time
it's
appeared
in
the
actual
mpd
manual
and
the
mpd
manual
now
says
that
coaching
is
specifically
not
disciplined,
and
so
the
reason
I
want
we
have.
B
The
reason
I
want
to
bring
it
to
the
commission
is
following
on
the
heels
of
arbitration.
We
can.
We
can
see
that
inconsistent
discipline
causes
a
problem
for
the
city
when
they
want
and
need
to
fire
a
problem
officer
and
so
having
a
disciplined
policy
where
discipline
is
optional
and
the
chief
can
issue
anything
from
a
coaching
to
a
reprimand
to
a
termination,
I
think,
opens
the
city
up
to
bad
outcomes.
In
future.
B
B
I
think
it
really
undermines
the
work
that
has
been
done
around
establishing
a
disciplined
matrix,
establishing
consistent
outcomes,
and
you
know
all
the
work
that
the
chief
has
done
in
that
space.
So
I
just
wanted
to
bring
this
to
the
commission
and
open
the
floor
for
discussion.
So
would
anyone
commissioner
sparks.
C
Hey
so
to
me
it
has
anybody
talked
to
you
so
far
about
why
that
would
be
a
good
thing,
because
to
me
it
only
seems
like
a
bad
thing
right
when
you
have
that
inconsistent.
C
Oh,
why
have
a
discipline
matrix
at
all
right
if
it's
all
going
to
be
subjective
and
100
up
to
the
chief
and
he
can
he
or
she
can
intervene
where
they
see
fit?
It's
like
you,
said
it
kind
of
throws
everything
in
the
trash
right.
It's
like
yeah.
We
have
the
window
dressing,
but
the
chief
can
kind
of
do
what
he
or
she
wants.
C
Has
anybody
said
anything
other
than
that?
What
have
you
been
hearing.
B
No
one
has
said
anything
to
me
directly,
commissioner
sparks
and
that
was
sort
of
a
problem,
because
we
were
talking
about
coaching
and
discipline
back
in
august
and
september
of
2020,
and
we
asked
to
be
part
of
sort
of
ongoing
discussions
of
what
was
going
to
happen
around
that,
and
there
was
supposed
to
be
a
working
group
with
you
know:
city
leaders
and
pcoc
was
supposed
to
be
at
the
table
and
that
working
group
was
never
convened
and
then
the
city,
the
mayor
and
the
chief
made
this
change
to
policy,
and
it
was,
it
was
run
by
city
staff,
including
the
civil
rights
department,
but
it
wasn't
presented
to
the
pcoc
and
it
was
never
discussed
with
the
pcoc,
not
to
me
as
an
individual
commissioner,
nor
you
know
not
at
like
a
public
meeting
or
anything
we
just
sort
of
discovered
it.
B
B
But
I
guess
to
me
that
doesn't
sound
like
a
good
thing.
That
sounds
like
a
practice
that
wasn't
serving
us
well
and
so
just
codifying
a
practice
that
wasn't
serving
so
well
doesn't
seem
like
progress.
It
seems
like
a
step
back.
C
Yeah
I
have
the
same
feeling.
I
would
be
very
interested
in
what
the
counter
argument
is
that
I
love
to
have
my
my
assertions
challenged.
J
I
may
mention
this
in
the
subcommittee,
but
I
also
talk
about
it
here.
My
concern
with
this
is
what
happens
at
the
precinct
level,
and
you
know
the
idea
that,
like
you
know,
jim
is
a
good
guy
and
jim
was
having
a
bad
day
and
jim,
you
know,
is
going
through
a
rough
patch
in
his
life,
so
we're
just
going
to
coach,
jim
and
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
institutionalize
that
idea
of
understanding
that
jim
is
just
a
good
guy
and
everybody
likes
jim,
and
so
jim
only
gets
coaching
in
these
situations.
J
B
Okay,
well,
I
guess
you
know
I've
been
making
a
lot
of
emotions,
but
I'm
gonna
make
another
motion
I
would
like.
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
that
the
pcoc
recommends
that
the
chief
and
the
mayor
reconsider
this
in
light
of
arbitration
outcomes
in
in.
B
Maybe
the
better
thing
to
do
so.
This
is
a
discussion,
I'm
not
making
a
motion
I'm
discussing.
Maybe
the
better
thing
to
do
is
to
include
this
as
part
of
the
arbitration,
research
and
study
and
have
you
know,
item
a
be
the
root
cause,
analysis
and
item
b
is
how
does
this
discipline
policy
impact
you
know
up
or
down?
B
C
C
The
city's
way
is
that
there
was
essentially
a
paperwork
impropriety
right
or
they
didn't
follow
the
correct
process
for
discipline
or
there
they
were
able
to
find
the
officer
was
able
to
find
examples
of
discipline
being
applied
unevenly
stuff
like
that,
and
it
would
seem
like
this
policy
change
would
only
reinforce
those
decisions
that
don't
go
the
city's
way.
So
it
would
be
something
that
we
could
take
into
account.
B
C
E
E
E
B
Okay,
next
is
public
comment.
B
A
B
The
next
order
of
business
is
the
acceptance
of
public
comments.
I
will
open
the
floor
and
invite
comments
from
the
community
we'll
limit
the
public
comment
period
to
no
more
than
two
minutes
per
speaker
with
that.
Are
there
any
community
members
on
the
line
who
wish
to
address
the
commission.
L
Hello,
this
is
dave
picking,
so
I
can
make
just
a
brief
comment.
I
think
the
pcsc
is
doing
excellent
work
on
all
three
of
these
topics.
I
really
appreciate
your
efforts
on
that
and
the
way
you're
moving
things
forward.
I
also
want
to
express
a
great
appreciation
for
linking
to
the
jones
day
city
of
minneapolis
contracts.
L
Those
are
very
important,
we're
finding
out,
I
believe,
new
information
on
that
that
hasn't
been
available
in
general
to
the
public,
and
I
I
appreciate
your
linking
those
to
the
agenda
and
even
being
able
to
obtain
those
in
the
first
place
on
the
matter
of
the
arbitration.
L
I
think
I
will
I
hope,
to
be
able
to
undertake
some
analysis
of
myself
and
might
provide
that
analysis
to
you
as
something
you
can
include
on
an
agenda
at
some
time
in
the
future.
So
all
of
this
is
very
important
work
and
I
I
thank
you
very
much
for
it.
B
B
Any
other
community
members
on
the
line
I
see,
commissioner
sylvester.
J
Thank
you
so
much.
I
just
want
to
recognize
mr
bicking
and
all
his
work
on
these
issues
and
how
much
he
has
educated
me
over
the
last
year,
as
I
kind
of
struggled
to
grow
on
this
commission.
B
B
Okay,
I
want
to
thank
all
of
our
speakers
tonight
for
their
comments
and
I
would
ask
the
clerk
to
report
and
file
those
public
comments.
The
next
item
for
business
is
staff
reports,
but
we've
released
staff.
B
B
There
was
also
a
question
of
whether
the
city
is
requiring
specifically
mpd
employees
to
be
vaccinated
and
what
percentage
of
mpd
employees
are
vaccinated.
I
haven't
received
that
information
myself,
so
I
can't
provide
it.
Perhaps
that
is
something
that
could
be
provided
at
the
december
meeting
and
then
the
final
item
was
asking
how
the
pcoc
can
participate
in
the
chief's
performance
review.
That's
part
of
our
operating
rules
that
perhaps
that
is
something
that
could
happen
offline
or
you
know,
mr
fussy
did
you
want
to
be
recognized
on
that.
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
could
address
that
quickly,
although
I
don't
have
a
specific
answer
for
you.
It
had
that's
not
a
your
participation
in
the
chief's
performance
review.
That's
not
nothing!
That's
been
defined.
I
know
historically,
that
other
commissions
have,
for
instance,
just
submitted
a
report
that
they've
put
together
in
one
of
the
committees
regarding
their
view
of
the
chief's
performance.
I
think,
if
you,
if
you
look
through
past
agendas,
you
might
be
able
to
find
some
examples.
K
I
know
that
a
more
recent
commission,
at
least
had
some
discussions
with
the
mayor's
office.
I
don't
know
to
what
extent
they
were
they
participated
in
a
performance
review.
I
don't
know
if
that
ended
up
being
a
consultation
or
a
discussion
that
was
had,
but
I
know
that
they
followed
up
with
the
mayor's
office
and
frankly,
I
know
that
some
commissions
just
didn't,
have
it
in
time
or
did
not
address
it.
B
B
Okay,
so
though,
we
also
had
an
audit
subcommittee
report,
but
commissioner
pino
is
not
here.
Would
either
commissioners
sparks
or
crockett
like
to
give
a
audit
subcommittee
report.
C
Yeah,
I
can
give
a
report
if
it's
all
right
with
commissioner
crockett,
so
I
can
give
an
update
a
quick
update
on
the
two
studies
that
we're
working
on
right
now.
So
for
the
no
knock
warrants
the
study
is
proceeding,
but
it's
kind
of
slow
going
data
on
those
warrants
is
not
centralized.
Staff
has
to
look
in
several
different
locations
for
them,
but
it
is
proceeding-
and
I
have
a
note
here-
that
the
group
no
knock
minnesota.
C
C
For
as
far
as
the
coaching
study
we
we
remain
hindered
by
the
aclu
versus
minneapolis
lawsuit.
So
it's
ongoing.
We
can't
release,
we
don't
have
access
to
a
lot
of
new
information
about
coaching
and
then,
if
I
remember
correctly,
we
can't
currently
look
at
data
newer
than
2016.,
so
we
and
then
mr
crockett
jump
in
and
our
mr
band,
if
you're
still
here,
if
I
got
that
date
wrong,
but
so
at
the
moment
we're
just
looking
at
the
data
that
we
can
and
then
in
the
future.
B
C
B
Was
there
any
update
on
the
trans
equity
partnership,
research
and
study?
It
was
open
before
your
time
actually,
but.
A
Vice
chair
sparks,
I
believe
the
update
was
that
cassidy
gardner
was
on
leave.
So
therefore
was
not
available
to
update
on
that,
and
there
would
be
an
update
next
month.
B
B
The
I
will
recognize
myself
to
present
an
update
on
the
pnp
subcommittee,
which
was
pretty
much
this
meeting
like
we
had
done
quite
a
bit
of
research
over
the
past
six
months
and
and
we
just
it
was
time
for
us
to
bring
it
all
to
the
full
commission.
So
I
mean
that
was
really
the
crux
of
what
we
did
today.
B
B
C
Yeah
and
definitely
jump
in
if
I
forgot
anything,
but
it
was
just
a
short
sort
of
kickoff
meeting,
hopefully
of
one
of
many
to
come.
We're
planning
to
meet
regularly
every
probably
every
month
or
two,
I
think,
is
what
the
plan
is
going
forward.
C
C
That
also
happened
to
him
coincided
with
a
lot
of
pending
litigation
and
a
major
backlog
in
investigations
and
several
other
areas,
but
they
advised
us
that
they
are
involved
in
the
following
activities,
so
that
would
be
involvement
in
the
labor
contract
with
mpd
the
negotiation
arbitrations
around
police
officer
discipline,
the
doj
investigation,
the
mdhr
investigation
and
the
mpd
para
disability
claims
they're
heavily
involved
in
those
five
things.
B
I
would
just
like
to
say
that
I
wasn't.
I
wasn't
aware
at
all
that
that
jones
day
was
taking
on
all
pcr
investigations
and
just
as
a
point
of
discussion,
we
currently
have
no
head
of
the
civil
rights
department
or
director
of
the
opcr.
You
know.
Opcr,
of
course,
is
understaffed.
B
So
you
know
I
don't
have
a
motion
to
make,
but
I
guess
I
would
like
city
leadership
to
consider
staffing,
the
opcr
and
the
civil
rights
department,
so
they
could
carry
out
their
work
rather
than
contracting
it
out
to
a
private
law
firm.
B
You
know
it
seems
like
better
to
to
just
staff
our
own
departments,
to
kind
of
let
them
do
their
good
work
that
they
that
they
always
do,
and
we
will
continue
to
to
meet
with
him.
As
you
said,
we
also
vice
chair
sparks
and
I
have
a
meeting
with
the
federation
this
friday.
I
believe
so
those
are
some
of
the
chair
updates
that
I
have-
and
I
do
see
we're
at
time.
B
So
with
that
without
objection,
I
will
direct
the
clerk
to
receive
and
file
this
update.
With
that
we've
concluded,
I
think
I
got
through
all
the
items
in
our
agenda
for
this
meeting.
I
declare
this
meeting
adjourned
and
I'll
see
everyone
back
here
next
month,
the
december
14
regular
meeting
see
no
further
business
come
before
us
without
objection.
I
will
declare
this
meeting
adjourned.
Thank
you.
Everyone
and
good
night.