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From YouTube: February 8, 2021 Planning Commission
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Begin
evening,
welcome
to
this
live
broadcast
of
the
regular
virtual
meeting
of
the
city
planning.
Commission
today
is
february
8
2021..
This
meeting
includes
the
remote
participation
of
board
members
and
staff
as
authorized
under
minnesota
statutes,
section
13d
.021,
due
to
the
declared
local
health
pandemic.
For
the
record,
my
name
is
ken
daler
manager
of
legislative
support
services
with
the
office
of
the
city
clerk.
I
am
convening
today's
meeting
in
order
to
conduct
elections
for
the
planning
commission's
president
vice
president
and
secretary
once
the
body
has
approved
those
positions.
B
D
C
D
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C
F
B
G
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D
D
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D
F
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F
I
moved
to
approve
the
minutes
of
january
25th,
2021
with
direction
to
staff,
to
review
and
correct
item
eight
to
reflect
the
additional
condition
that
was
added
pertaining
to
electric
vehicle
charging
stations.
I
I
I
I
can
pull
it
back
up,
so
it
would
be.
The
project
shall
include
a
minimum
of
10
vehicle
charging
stations
to
make
the
project
consistent
with
the
comprehensive,
as
required
under
finding
number
two
specifically
goal:
10
policy
16
related
to
environmental
impacts
of
transportation
and
goals,
10
and
11
policy,
68
related
to
energy,
efficient
and
sustainable
buildings,
as
the
commission
had
directed
staff
to
prepare
findings
on
that
item,.
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Commissioners,
the
next
item
of
business
is
the
election
of
a
president
vice
president
and
the
secretary
of
the
of
the
city
planning
commission.
At
the
january
25th
meeting
the
following
slate
was
nominated
and
approved
rya,
a
smiley
for
president
alyssa
olson
for
vice
president
and
anisha
marwa
for
secretary,
considering
that
the
body
has
already
approved
the
slate
of
nominees,
a
motion
would
be
an
order
to
elect
a
smiley
for
president
alyssa
olsen
for
vice
president
and
anisha
marwah
for
secretary
may.
I
have
that
motion.
K
L
D
M
D
B
G
Thank
you,
mr
taylor,
and
thank
you,
commissioners
for
your
vote
before
we
move
on.
I
do
also
want
to
say
welcome
to
the
new
commissioners.
We're
really
happy
to
have
you
here
and
sorry
that
we
can't
see
you
in
person,
but
we'll
make
do
so.
I
will
read
the
through
the
agenda
numbers
and
addresses
and
state
whether
it's
slated
for
consent,
return,
withdrawal
or
discussion.
I
will
briefly
explain
what
it
means
for
an
item
to
be
for
consent
or
discussion.
G
So
the
consent
items
are
those
that
will
be
passed
without
discussion
by
the
commission.
We
will
be
adhering
to
the
staff
recommendations.
That's
on
the
agenda
in
the
section
that's
called
recommended
motion
and
all
the
applicable
conditions
that
are
listed
in
that
section.
If
you
do
agree
with
the
recommendation
and
the
applicable
conditions,
you
don't
need
to
do
anything
and
the
passing
of
that
consent
item
basically
passes
that
motion
and
then
afterwards
you
can
check
with
check
in
with
staff.
G
The
following
items
are
on
the
agenda
for
today:
item
number
five
3900
ewing,
avenue,
south
ward
13..
This
item
is
staff
is
recommending
this
item
for
consent.
Is
there
anyone
to
speak
against
the
staff
recommendation
for
this
item.
G
If
you
are,
please
press
star
six
to
say
that
you
are
against
that.
G
Okay
item
number:
five
is
on
the
consent
agenda:
item
number
six
2815
lake
street
east.
The
staff
is
recommending
this
item
also
for
the
consent
agenda.
Is
there
anyone
to
speak
against
this
item?
G
Okay,
item
number:
six
is,
on
the
consent:
agenda:
item
number:
seven:
fourth,
street
apartments,
410
13th
avenue,
southeast
1309,
4th
street
southeast
and
1315
4th
street
southeast
item
number.
Seven
is
recommended
for
discussion.
G
Item
number
eight
3200,
washington,
avenue.
North.
This
item
is
being
recommended
to
be
put
on
the
consent
agenda.
Is
there
anyone
to
speak
against
this
recommendation?
Star
six
is
to
unmute
you.
G
Okay,
item
number
eight
will
be
on
the
consent
agenda,
so
the
agenda
as
proposed
is
items
number
five.
Six
and
eight
on
the
consent
and
item
number
seven
is
for
discussion.
G
G
G
First,
I
will
open
the
public
hearing
for
our
consent
items
and
approve
those
items
again.
This
is
to
approve
the
consent
of
the
items
that
are
on
the
consent
agenda,
as
recommended
by
staff.
G
I
would
if
you
can,
commissioners
for
reference.
If
you
want
to
make
a
motion,
if
you
can
put
either
the
word
motion
or
second
in
the
chat,
then
I
can
read
your
name
and
that
will
help
me
tremendously.
So
I'm
hereby
opening
the
public
hearing
for
our
consent
items
to
approve
those
and
then,
after
that
we
will
proceed
to
the
discussion
items.
G
G
G
Okay,
well,
I
will
now
close
the
public
hearing.
So
with
that,
can
I
get
a
motion
to
adopt
items
number
five,
six
and
eight
on
consent,
commissioner
olson
so
moved.
Commissioner
mcguire.
D
C
Okay
and
then
chair
smiling,
I
showed
that
council
member
schroeder
has
joined
us
to
have
a
ruling
in
terms
of
whether
or
not
he
can
vote
on
the
consent.
C
C
Okay,
all
right,
in
that
case
councilmember
schrader.
N
G
Perfect
that
motion
passes
and
if
you
were
here
for
these
agenda
items,
the
five
six
and
eight
the
application
has
been
approved,
as
recommended
by
staff
and
good
luck
with
the
rest
of
your
project.
We
will
now
move
on
to
our
discussion
item
and
I
will
explain
very
briefly
what
the
discussion
items
are.
These
are
the
items
that
the
commission
will
take
a
public
testimony
on.
We
would
deliberate
on
this
and
then
we'll
make
a
decision
after
the
public
hearing
has
been
heard
for
that
discussion
item
I
will
close
it.
G
I
will
close
the
hearing
for
that
item
and
then,
after
the
hearing
is
closed,
no
additional
public
testimony
can
be
taken,
but
staff
can
be
asked
to
address
commissioner's
questions
and
then
the
commissioners
will
discuss
and
act
on
the
motion,
and
I
will
only
vote
at
least
today
if
there's
a
tie.
So
in
this
case
we
will
start
with
item
number
seven,
which
is
the
sorry,
the
fourth
street
apartments
410
13th
avenue,
southeast
1309
fourth
street
southeast
and
1315
fourth
street
southeast
and
staff
is
peter
crandall
peter.
Please
take
it
away.
O
Good
evening,
commissioners-
and
thank
you
our
first
item
today
is
located
in
the
dinky
town,
commercial
district
of
the
marcy
holmes
neighborhood.
The
project
is
located
at
410,
13th
avenue,
southeast
and
1309
and
1315
4th
street
southeast.
So
the
site,
as
you
can
see
from
the
zoning
map
here,
is
somewhat
unusually
shaped
and
it
does
have
frontage
on
both
of
those
two
public
streets,
although
that
is
interrupted
by
another
existing
structure
at
the
corner
of
13th
and
4th.
O
Images
on
the
left
show
the
existing
condition
of
the
site
and
then
the
proposed
new
structure.
The
site
is
currently
occupied
by
two
small
scale:
commercial
buildings.
O
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
demolish
the
existing
structures
in
order
to
construct
a
new
seven-story
mixed-use
development
with
81
dwelling
units
and
approximately
3
000
square
feet
of
commercial
space
and
go
to
the
next
slide.
O
The
top
left
corner
shows
you
the
proposed
site,
along
with
some
of
the
recent
development
context
in
the
immediate
area
of
the
dinkytown
commercial
district,
as
well
as
the
the
orange
section
in
the
top
left
image
shows
the
recently
adopted
dinkytown
commercial,
historic
district,
which
the
site
is
not
located
in,
but
is
immediately
adjacent
to
next.
O
O
O
O
This
is
a
site
plan
showing
the
proposed
ground
level
orientation
relationship
to
some
of
the
other
structures
on
the
site.
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
retain
the
13th
avenue
southeast
frontage,
as
primarily
a
vehicle
access
point
to
the
enclosed
parking.
The
applicant
is
proposing
two
levels
of
enclosed
parking,
one
below
grade
and
one
at
grade
and
closed.
Both
of
those
levels
would
be
accessed
via
this
13th
avenue.
O
The
applicant
is
proposing
some
solar
energy
generation
on
the
roof
of
the
structure,
as
well
as
several
other
sustainability
elements
in
the
plan
under
the
new
2040
built
form
regulations.
O
This
is
a
corridor
six
built
form
district.
The
applicant
is
proposing
a
seven
story.
Building
the
built
form
code
allows
for
an
administrative
height
increase
of
one
story
in
this
case,
if
the
applicant
provides
a
premium
for
achieving
that
additional
height.
In
this
case,
they
are
proposing
to
provide
for
energy
efficiency
and
sustainability
elements,
which
is
one
of
the
options
for
additional
height
premiums.
O
I
did
provide
a
memo
correcting
that
from
the
original
staff
report
to
the
commission.
I
believe
in
the
original
report
it
had
stated
that
they
were
seeking
an
affordable
housing
bonus
for
the
additional
height,
but
it
is
the
energy
efficiency
bonus
and
the
applicant
can
provide
some
additional
detail
on
that.
O
If
there
are
questions
about
it,
I
should
also
note
that
the
applicant
is
proposing
a
far
premium
to
exceed
the
maximum
far
under
the
new
built
form
regulations,
two
premiums
actually
and
those
are
for
enclosed
parking
and
for
affordable
housing,
so
that
would
be
complying
with
the
required
inclusionary
zoning,
affordable
housing
units
on
site
and
producing
those
units
within
the
structure.
Next
slide.
O
O
That
might
be
the
end
of
it.
Okay,
so
I
will
just
summarize
then
the
applications
that
the
applicant
is
seeking.
They
are
proposing
to
rezone
the
site
from
the
c1
neighborhood
commercial
district
to
the
c3a
community
activity
center
district,
while
retaining
the
pedestrian
oriented
overlay
district.
O
The
reason
for
this,
although
it
would
not
be
necessary
under
the
new
built
form
regulations,
has
to
do
with
a
proposed
commercial
tenant.
It's
accommodating,
essentially
the
existing
tobacco
use
and
the
applicant
can
provide
more
detail
on
this.
The
c3a
has
a
broader
array
of
potential
commercial
uses
that
are
allowed
versus
the
c1
district,
so
the
applicant's
proposing
that
rezoning
they
are
requesting
a
variance
to
reduce
the
minimum
vehicle
parking
requirement
from
82
stalls
to
72
stalls
and
the
enclosed
parking.
O
They
are
required
to
seek
a
variance
to
locate
the
building
wall
72
feet
back
from
that
frontage
to
accommodate
that
as
the
primary
vehicle
access
to
the
underground
parking
and
then
the
site
plan
review
application
for
the
new
seven-story
mixed-use.
Building
with
81
dwelling
units
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
all
applications,
and
I
can
stand
for
any
questions
from
the
commission.
G
N
Oh,
thank
you.
Mr
crandall.
Just
have
two
questions
one.
Can
you
give
a
little
more
detail
about
just
how
the
bonus
for
affordable
housing
and
the
inclusionary
zoning
policy
play
in
there?
It
would
be
helpful
to
know.
Is
there
so
many
units
required
under
one
and
then
they're
getting
a
bonus
under
others
and
then
the
second
question-
and
maybe
this
is
more
of
a
question
for
the
applicant
just
where
that
that
mix
is
in
the
building.
O
Sure
so
the
project
would
be
required
to
comply
with
the
city's
inclusionary
zoning
policy,
which
would
require
a
certain
percentage
of
the
units
be
designated
as
affordable,
and
I
believe
it's
eight
percent
for
the
the
basic
minimum
under
the
bonuses
for
far
the
applicant
would
be
required
to
produce
those
units
on
site,
so
the
site
the
affordable
units
would
be
located
in
this
building,
whereas
under
the
inclusionary
zoning
policy,
there
is
the
option
to
either
locate
them
in
another
structure
or
to
pay
in
new
fees.
O
N
F
Can
you
tell
us
about
the
alternative
compliance
for
the
landscaping,
and
that
may
be
something
for
the
applicant
to
expand
on
as
well,
but
just
plus
what
the
alternative
compliance
is
going
to
be.
O
So
oftentimes,
the
applicant
will
propose
enhancements
to
the
public
realm
in
the
public
right-of-way
as
an
alternative
compliance
measure
to
landscaping
that
would
otherwise
be
required
on
the
actual
development
site,
and
so
staff
was
recommending
that
the
planning
commission
grant
alternative
compliance
to
the
general
landscaping
requirements
based
on
the
proposed
enhanced
landscaping
that
the
applicant
is
proposing
in
the
public
right-of-way.
In
this
case,.
E
Can
you
hear
me,
okay,
good?
I
have
a
question.
You
mentioned
the
solar
panels
and
you
said
others,
energy
and
sustainable
activities.
Could
you
explain
what
those
would
be.
E
O
The
language
reads
that
the
project
should
conform
to
any
performance,
standard,
leed,
egc,
etc
that
achieves
the
minnesota
sustainable
building,
2030
energy
standard,
which
is
a
60
energy,
carbon
reduction
from
the
2003
average
building
baseline
and
then
not
less
than
40
percent
of
electricity
usage
shall
be
derived
from
renewable
energy
resources
through
on-site
generation
and
or
renewable
energy
credits.
O
So
in
this
case
I
would
imagine
some
if
not
all
of
that
40
is
coming
from
those
on-site
solar
panels,
but
they
may
also
be
coming
from
energy
credits.
But
I
would
ask
that
the
applicant
elaborate
on
details
of
that,
and
I
know
that
there
are
potentially
other
elements
of
the
project
that
they
might
also
want
to
elaborate
on
related
to
sustainability.
E
G
You
thank
you,
commissioner.
Marwa.
P
Hi
peter,
I
have
a
quick
question
about
the
72
foot,
variance,
that's
being
requested.
I'm
just
trying
to
understand.
It
seems
like
a
big
jump
from
eight
feet.
So
if
you
can
just
explain
why
that's
necessary
and
what
kind
of
the
implications.
O
Sure
so
it
primarily
has
to
do
with
that
that
small
skinny
parcel
that
fronts
along
13th
avenue
southeast
that
parcel
is
either
partly
an
alley
remnant
or
has
been
used
primarily
as
a
vehicle
access
point
to
the
parking
that's
internal
to
the
block.
Today,
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
retain
that
as
a
vehicle
access
point,
rather
than
to
build
the
structure
up
to
the
property
line
in
that
location,
because
the
orientation
of
the
site
and
the
narrowness
of
that
parcel
would
make
that
impractical.
O
For
you
know
incorporating
with
the
proposed
building
program
and
given
that
it's
really
just
a
driveway.
So
that's
why
they're
requesting
to
locate
the
building
wall
farther
than
eight
feet
from
the
property
line
along
that
frontage?
They
are
in
compliance
with
the
requirement
along
the
fourth
street
southeast
frontage,
which
is
where
their
commercial
and
lobby
space
would
be
located.
P
Okay,
so
this
is
kind
of
a
secondary
side
is
anyway,
in
your
opinion,
do
you
think
that
alters
the
pedestrian
axis
way
significantly
in
a
way
that
would
be
detrimental.
O
So
the
primary
pedestrian
entrance
is
located
along
4th
street
southeast.
So
in
this
case
you
know
there
there
would
be
a
gap
in
the
building
wall
along
13th,
but
that
gap
is
there
today
and
I
don't
think
it
would
negatively
impact
the
the
frontage
along
that
corridor,
because
it's
a
pretty
narrow
parcel.
G
Thank
you,
commissioners.
Are
there
any
other
questions
for
staff
at
this
point.
G
A
G
Q
A
Go
ahead,
hi
everyone
hi
everyone.
Commissioners,
I
just
want
to
take
a
moment
to
say
thank
you
for
your
hard
work
on
the
built
form.
This
is
our
first
application
through
the
process
and
a
good
learning
experience
to
to
be
under
the
new
rules.
A
G
Thank
you
I
actually
before
we
go
to
carol.
I
also
have
garrett
duncan
on
the
public
hearing
list
and
then
carol.
Do
you
need
to
switch
order.
H
A
J
H
Hi
carol,
lansing
sacred
baker
or
feigery
drinker
fiddle
and
reads.
I
just
wanted
to
address
the
questions
about
the
inclusionary
zoning
and
the
affordable
housing
premium.
H
The
the
premium
requires
that
affordable
housing
units
be
provided
on
site
and
they
will
be
in
this
case.
It
doesn't
require
a
minimum
of
20
unit,
affordable
units.
It
just
requires
that
the
development
have
at
least
20
dwelling
units
so
that
it
applies
to
larger
projects
for
this
one,
because
it's
student
housing
it
compliance,
could
be
on
a
per
unit
basis,
so
that
that
would
be
about
five
or
six
units
or
it
can
be
on
a
per
bedroom
basis.
H
The
decision
needs
to
be
made
in
collaboration
with
discussions
with
cped
housing
staff,
and
we
have
not
had
those
meetings
yet
that
will
happen
after
the
land
use
approval.
So
we
can't
tell
you
exactly
now
whether
it's
going
to
be
by
units
or
by
bedrooms,
but
in
either
case
I
know
from
other
clients
experience
that
staff
will
ensure
that
the
mix
is
representative
of
the
mix
of
units
or
bedrooms
throughout
the
development,
both
in
terms
of
location
and
type.
H
R
G
You
are
on
you're
on
our
list
as
well.
Oh
okay,.
S
R
Hi
yeah:
this
is
mick
stoddard
with
djr
architecture.
Thank
you
and
good
evening,
commissioners.
I
can
probably
address
some
of
the
other
questions
that
were
asked.
E
R
This
project,
specifically
the
sustainability
features.
Some
of
the
items
are
what
I
call
sort
of
best
practices
established
by
north
bay
and
others
kind
of
are
a
little
bit
above
and
beyond
what
you'd
expect
on
a
typical
urban
site.
Things
we
do
to
go
above
and
beyond
are
adding
the
roof.
Rooftop
solar
array.
We
will
also
have
a
storm
water
retention
system
that
will
be
located
in
the
that
site
that
fronts
on
the
13th
and
we
are
also
proposing
electrical
vehicle
charging
stations
in
this
project.
R
Things,
I
would
say,
are
just
best
practices
would
be
high
efficiency,
high
efficiency,
water
heaters,
organic
recycling,
programmable
thermostats,
low
flow
flush,
toilets
energy,
star
appliances,
led
lighting
throughout
occupancy
sensors,
and
we
it's
we're
consistently
participating
in
the
energy
design
assistance
program
for
all
of
their
projects.
So.
R
G
P
Hi,
yes,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
proposal.
I
am
just
a
little
curious
about
the
response
about
the
affordable
housing
piece.
I'm
reading
through
the
staff
report
that
we
received,
which
said
that
it
would,
in
order
for
these,
for
developments
that
are
over
50
units
that
they
would
include
to
qualify
for
the
bonus
they
would
have
at
least
20
dwelling
units.
P
Sorry,
and
maybe
it's
a
staff
question,
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
how
you
mentioned
it
would
only
be
five
to
six
beds
plus
what
would
actually
be
included
in
this
project
was
my
first
part
of
my
question
and
then
my
second
part
was
around.
If
this
is
a
student
housing
development,
how
are
you
planning?
Do
you
have
a
property
management
firm?
That's
that
works
in
the
world
of
affordable
housing
mixed
with
student
housing,
because
it
feels
like
this
you're
like
layering,
two
different
types
of
housing
together
and
we're
aware
of
this.
P
This
is
a
new
program
that
we're
rolling
out
with
a
new
type
of
building
use,
but
I
just
want
to
understand
how
that
process
would
actually
work
around
a
per
bed
type
of
affordable
housing
space
like
that,
because
it
does
feel
like
a
very
new
product
type.
I
Yes,
so
there
seems
to
be
some
confusion
about
threshold
here,
so
right
now
we're
in
the
phased-in
portion
of
the
inclusionary
zoning
requirements,
so
the
requirement
kicks
in
at
buildings
with
20
units
or
more,
but
we
don't
go
to
those
types
of
buildings
until
we've
hit
at
least
500
units
in
buildings
that
have
between
20
and
50
units.
So
right
now,
the
threshold
that
we're
working
with
is
50.
I
and
staff
has
a
good
handle
on
that.
We
have
very
capable
staff,
both
in
development
services
and
cped
housing.
That
are
monitoring
that.
So
we
know
when
we
get
those
500
units,
then
the
threshold
will
drop
to
20.
and
basically
all
that
means
is
at
that
point.
Buildings
with
20
units
or
more
will
be
subject
to
inclusionary
zoning.
I
So
the
part
that's
in
the
zoning
code
right
now,
the
only
piece
that's
in
the
zoning
code
as
it
relates
to
iz
is
threshold,
and
now
we
have
the
additional
language
about
the
bonuses.
So
for
the
commission,
it's
really
just
to
know
if
they're
applying
for
the
bonus,
it
means
that
the
required
number
of
units
is
being
provided
on
site
instead
of
being
provided
off-site
or
as
part
of
an
in-lieu
fee.
I
So
in
this
case
the
applicant
has
opted
to
provide
the
required
number
of
units
on
site
and
our
cped
housing
staff
will
work
with
planning
staff
to
make
sure
that
that
requirement
is
met,
and
they
will
also,
you
know,
be
working
on
the
details
of
how
that
works
in
a
student
housing
project.
P
That
answer
that
portion,
I
would
like
to
hear
from
the
applicant,
though,
on
how
that
they
plan
to
blend
these
two
types
of
uses
together.
G
Anyone
from
the
applicant
team
who
can
answer
that
question,
please
click
star:
six
hi.
A
Right
from,
like
you,
like
you
just
pointed
out,
we
are
in
the
learning
stages
and
we're
gonna
work
with
the
city,
the
the
process,
through
my
experience
over
the
last
couple
applications
just
in
the
last
six
months,
it's
evolved
into
a
better
format
and
a
more
detailed
experience
said
you
know,
since
the
kind
of
the
beginning
of
the
conversation
about
inclusionary
zoning,
so
we
are
fully
committed
to
comply
and
be
and
operate
fairly
and
manage
fairly.
A
S
G
F
Yep,
so
I
I
like
that
you've
done
a
lot
of
things
above
and
beyond
on
sustainability.
F
I
wanted
to
ask
specifically
about
the
car
free
incentives
that
you're
planning
on
providing,
and
I
you
know
there
were
there
weren't
a
whole
lot
of
details
in
the
staff
report,
but
I
really
love
to
know
like
what
you're
planning
on
doing
and
try
to.
F
A
Yeah,
thank
you
daniel
the
applicant
here
again
yeah.
So
we
do
have
the
solar
energy
credits
for
the
energy.
We
do
have
a
transit
screen.
That
kind
of
that
out
details
out
where
the
where
the
community
buses
are
the
city.
Buses
are
as
well
as
the
university
of
minnesota
transit
and
the
pickup
times,
etc.
A
So
you
know
exactly
how,
when
you
have
to
walk
out
of
your
your
home
or
from
the
lobby,
areas
on
the
pickups
to
get
into
the
campus
area
or
where
you're
going
to
transit
as
far
as
we'll
have
we'll
just
basically
be
applying
a
credit
to
their
rent
by
for
not
having
a
car
or
having
an
electric
car
which
the
details
fully
aren't
vetted
out
in
the
lease
or
the
offering
yet,
but
that's
the
intent.
A
We
do
have
a
better
parking
ratio
than
most
pre-approved
applications
for
this
type
of
development
in
the
neighborhood,
thus
far
in
terms
of
parking
ratio.
So
I'm
committed
to
that.
We
haven't
quite
worked
out
that
details,
though,
regarding
the
language
in
the
lease
or
offering,
as
we
haven't
been
approved.
Yet.
F
A
Different
yeah
well
just
that.
Well,
there
are
electric
vehicle
charging
stations
that
you
actually
pay
for
above
certain
amount
of
kilowatts.
So
there's
just
it's
a
kind
of
a
moving
market.
I
guess
you
could
say
or
moving
kind
of
change
in
how
people
do
business.
So,
generally
speaking,
people
pay
for
the
electricity
they
use
in
the
charging
station,
and
perhaps
I
was
thinking
that
there
was
a
credit
against
that
as
well.
That's
the
reason
why
I
said
that.
F
F
I
was
just
gonna
say
that,
once
your
project
is
complete
and
now
you've
formalized
those
I'd
like
to
stay
updated
about
those,
I
would
request
that
you,
let
me
know
about
how
that
goes,
because
I
want
to
keep
asking
other
developers
to.
A
Do
things
you've
been
consistent
on
asking,
and
I
appreciate
that
and
I'll
be
consi
yeah,
it
hasn't
been
dropped
off
the
list
or
it's
just
a
moving
new
kind
of
way
to
do
business.
I
guess
so.
Yes,
I
appreciate
you
saying
that.
F
A
couple
other
things,
some
of
the
neighbors
in
our
neighborhood,
made
a
couple
suggestions,
and
I
just
wanted
to
get
your
feedback
on
them.
One
of
them
was
about
the
orientation
of
the
c
shape.
Some
people
have
suggested
that
the
c
should
be
oriented
toward
fourth
street.
Instead,
can
you
speak
to
your
decision
for
having
that
amenity
deck
facing
east
in
the
interior,
as
opposed
to
on
the
fourth
street
side?.
A
R
This
is
mick
stoddard
from
dj
architecture
yeah.
The
way
we
proposed
the
building
sort
of
twofold.
There
wasn't
there's
enough
width
to
the
site
to
be
able
to
do
a
c-shape
that
actually
faces
onto
fourth
street
you'd,
be
left
with
about
a
eight
to
ten
foot
plaza
between
the
middle
portions
and
then
the
other.
The
other
reason
was
a
little
bit
of
respect
to
the.
F
Okay
and
then
my
last
question,
so
some
of
the
neighbors
requested
that
there
be
more
frontage
on
the
fourth
street
side,
dedicated
to
commercial
and
less
for
the
lobby
space.
So
they
suggested
that
you
know
the
commercial
frontage
be
widened
on
on
the
fourth
street
frontage
and
then
the
lobby
narrowed.
And
then
you
know
the
lobby
could
be
made
deeper
to
provide
the
extra
space,
but
that
would
provide
more
you
know
active
use
available
to
the
public.
F
Do
you
have
any
any
thoughts
about
that?
Would
you
would
you
be
open
to
having
more
commercial
frontage.
R
M
R
Originally,
I
just
looked
back
at
what
the
the
first
proposed
presentation
we
made
to
the
neighborhood
was,
but
there
was
a
little
bit
less
commercial
frontage
and
we've
always
proposed
the
notion
of
breaking
up
into
smaller
elements.
R
So
it
looks
like
there
could
be
three
potential
commercial
tenants
right
now,
it's
just
one
but
yeah,
but
we
did
stretch
that
to
be
74
feet
wide
of
commercial
frontage
and
it
it
it
starts
to
get
close
to.
R
You
know
what
what
what
could
be
approved
for
another
one
of
the
premiums
that
was
that
was
on
the
table
for
additional
far
yeah
that'd,
be
some
spatial
gymnastics
to
be
able
to
stretch
that
much
further
to
be
able
to
have
a
usable
lobby,
for
you
know
a
student
body
that
much
in
that
in
that
building.
F
But
you
you
just
said
something
that
I
want
clarification
on.
I
I
I
thought
I
thought
I
was
in
the
staff
reporter.
Maybe
I
heard
it
from
somewhere
else,
but
isn't
the
existing
tenant
going
to
come
back
or
and
isn't
it
wouldn't
they
be
taking
up
the
full
space?
Or
do
you
think
that
you'd
be
using
other
tenants
and
splitting
it
up
into
smaller
ones?.
A
This
is
daniel.
The
applicant
yes,
that's
correct.
The
existing
tenant
is
coming
back,
however.
You've
got
to
look
forward
in
the
future
to
make
sure
it
can
accommodate
several
different
situations,
so
the
design
kind
of
radiates
or
the
design
is
coordinated
toward
kind
of
leaning
towards
direction.
If
you
could
had
to
bifurcate
that
space
into
like
thousand
square
foot
sections
for
smaller.
F
E
E
Okay:
okay,
okay!
Thank
you!
Okay,
okay,
perfect!
So
this.
This
relates
to
the
questions
earlier,
about
the
student,
housing
and
affordable
housing
and
and
that
mix
and-
and
the
response
was
that
that
the
applicants
going
going
to
work
with
the
housing
staff
and
the
development
staff,
and
I'm
quite
confident
that
will
be
done
properly.
But
I
would
appreciate.
E
Could
we
get
a
report
back
from
staff
in
the
future
as
to
how
that
was
worked
out?
It
needn't
involve
the
applicant,
but
just
you
know
a
for
information
purposes.
How
that
did
get
worked
out.
I
Yes,
so
our
cpad
housing
staff
is
giving
regular
reports
to
council.
I
believe
there
might
actually
even
be
one
coming
up
this
month,
a
report
on
where
we're
at
in
terms
of
how
many
units
have
been
brought
forward
under
the
inclusionary
zoning
ordinance
and
then
what
the
breakout
of
that
those
units
is.
So
when
those
reports
are
available,
we
could
bring
them
to
a
committee
of
the
whole
meeting
for
the
planning
commission
or
just
point
you
in
the
direction
of
those
reports.
I
Because
again,
really
the
only
thing
in
the
zoning
code
is
threshold.
So
planning
staff
isn't
doing
the
ongoing
monitoring
of
these
units.
That's
done
through
our
cped
housing
staff,
so
they're
preparing
the
regular
report
outs
on
those,
but
we
can
make
those
available
to
the
planning
commission
as
well.
G
Thank
you
kimberly.
Any
other
commissioners
have
a
question
for
the
applicant.
G
Okay,
I
just
have
a
quick
question
for
staff
actually
along
the
line
with
commissioner
meyer's
comment
about
the
incentives.
G
For
you
know
the
car,
and
I
was
kind
of
wondering
if
there
is
any
kind
of
methods
or
mechanism,
that
different
incentives
that
are
being
proposed
in
a
variety
of
projects
are
being
tracked
by
any
means
that
at
some
point
we,
the
city,
can
have
a
good
library
of
examples.
And
just
just
out
of
curiosity.
I
I
don't
know
if
our
code
development
team
has
thought
about
tracking
the
various
incentives.
There
are
a
lot
of
things
that
we
already
track
in
our
annual
reporting
and
we're
reevaluating,
which
of
those
are
important
to
continue
tracking
and
which
of
those
should
shift
in
another
direction,
just
due
to
staff
resources.
I
So
it's
something
that
we
can
take
a
look
at
as
we're
reevaluating.
Our
annual
report
tracking
system-
and
we
can
also
you
know,
talk
to
the
code
development
team
about
whether
or
not
they've
given
thought
to
how
those
things
should
be.
G
G
G
Okay,
barbara
cam
may
not
be
online,
we
will
continue
moving
on
and
then
we'll
come
back.
G
Art
johnson
and
I
apologize
if
I
said
your
name
incorrectly,
are
you
online?
If
you
are
please
press
star
six
to
unmute
yourself,
state
your
name
and
address
and
then
proceed
with
your
comment.
J
Thank
you.
My
name
is
artist
johnson.
I
live
at
714
third
avenue
southeast
I've
been
a
resident
of
the
dinkytown
marcy
holmes
neighborhood
for
more
than
30
years.
I
have
two
concerns
about
the
proposed
development
on
4th
street
southeast
first,
the
driveway
off
13th
avenue
southeast
is
a
traffic
problem.
13Th
avenue
southeast
between
5th
street
13th
avenue
southeast
between
5th
street
and
4th
street
at
this
location
is
one
very
short
block.
Long
and
going
north
beyond
5th
street
on
13th
avenue
is
blocked
by
an
apartment.
Building.
J
This
13th
avenue
block
has
parking
on
both
sides
of
the
street
very
narrow,
two-way
traffic
lanes.
There
is
a
need,
I
think,
for
a
traffic
study
of
this
area
to
determine
the
access
for
emergency
vehicles
for
at
least
three
or
four
apartment
buildings
in
this
on
these
streets
on
both
sides
of
the
block.
J
G
Okay,
next
person
is
christine:
tollefson
is
kristen
online.
If
you
are,
please
press
star
six
state,
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
and
then
proceed
with
your
comment.
T
We
can
hear
you
now:
okay,
christian,
heidi
to
allison
1316
4th
street
southeast
speaking
for
preserve
historic
dinky
town.
T
Mr
crandall
assures
me
that
you
received
a
phd's
comment
letter
today,
which
was
submitted
in
january,
supporting
marcy
holmes
requests
for
design
changes
to
the
north
bay
project.
Several
of
these,
mr
commissioner,
meyer,
spoke
to
very
well.
Our
ask
in
that
letter
was
that
mr
robert
priller
be
asked
to
revisit
the
marcy
holmes
request
with
the
land
use
committee
to
see
what
design
accommodations
can
be
made,
and
frankly,
I
was
hopeful
that
the
delays
in
the
project
coming
to
the
commission
might
mean
that
some
of
these
changes
had
been
made.
T
Our
letter
cited
a
series
of
2040
policies
and
goals
that
support
this
request,
including
public
realm
goal,
7
history
and
culture,
affirming
that
properties
have
intrinsic
value
in
helping
define
and
frame
the
character
of
an
area
and
support
opportunity
for
community
development
policy.
58
notes
that
business
districts
and
corridors
provide
an
identity
for
the
surrounding
community,
a
cultural
identity
that
supports
social
networks
and
pedestrian-oriented,
building
and
site
design.
Note
stinky
town
is
an
intersection
of
university
city
and
neighborhood
that
requires
special
consideration
and
finally,
policy
100
on
place-based.
T
Neighborhood
engagement
acknowledges
that
preservation
and
cultural
place
place,
keeping
efforts
keep
the
cultural
memories
associated
with
a
place
alive.
This
is
what
preserve
historic
thinking.
Town
is
all
about.
So
this
brings
me
to
my
testimony
today
in
our
place,
our
role
as
place
keepers
of
dinky
town.
I
have
a
duty
to
document
for
you
what
we
will
be
losing
if
this
development
goes
through
without
design
accommodation.
T
The
staff
report
notes
under
historic
preservation
that
it
is
not
applicable
that
the
site
is
neither
historically
designated
nor
located
in
a
designated
historic
district.
This
is
technically
true,
but
then
goes
on
to
to
cite
the
standard,
nor
has
it
been
determined
to
be
eligible
for
designation,
and
this
is
not
entirely
accurate.
T
So
what
this
means
to
me
as
a
dinkytone
business
owner
since
1976.?
What
is
my
time
limit
were.
G
You
please
go
ahead,
please
continue!
No!
No!
No!
I
there
was
a.
I
couldn't
hear
you
very
well,
but
yes,
please
go
ahead.
Okay,.
T
Okay,
so
that
these
buildings
were
cut
out
of
the
recommended
boundaries
means
that
they
were
that
those
that
they
are
associated
with
thinking
town's,
most
famous
period
of
social
protest
and
cultural
transformation
that
these
were
left
unprotected
and
the
history
and
context
documented
in
the
designation
study
in
elle
milgram's
dinky
town
uprising
and
bill
hensecker's.
Recent
book
dinkytown
four
blocks
of
history.
T
So
what
this
this
history
and
what
this
means
to
me
as
a
business
owner
for
45
years
in
dinky
town
who's,
been
deeply
involved
in
district
planning,
is
that
it
is
critical
that
we
get
this
development
right.
T
It
which
to
me,
means
two
things
that
the
design
be
continued
to
work
so
that
it
has
a
more
defined
base
at
the
first
floor,
with
upper
floors,
distinct
and
stepped
back
rather
than
protruding
a
base
that
is
more
effectively
complements
the
area's
scale
and
themes,
and,
second,
that
the
developments
support
active
use
of
the
public
realm
along
the
central
dinky
town
corridor.
T
We
understand
that
design
accommodations
need
to
be
made
without
compromise
to
the
goals
of
the
developer.
So
to
this
end,
preservator
digitone
again
requests
that
mr
overpiller
and
djr
be
provided
an
opportunity
to
address
the
design.
Amendment
requests
repeated
in
these
multiple
comment:
letters
and
testimony
for
a
more
subtle
and
sensitive
ground
floor
design
that
is
better
scaled
to
the
neighborhood
and
immediately
adjacent
historic
district.
Thank
you
for
your
service
and
your
consideration,
and
and
thank
you
to
mr
overpuller
and
dji.
G
U
Since
our
land
use
committee's
original
meeting
with
north
bay,
the
developer
has
added
charging
stations,
scooter
parking,
a
rideshare
pickup
station
and
transit
aids.
They've
clarified
sustainability
efforts,
including
organics
recycling,
designed
a
more
interesting
ground
floor
with
enhanced
brickwork
and
proposed
to
incorporate
murals
by
local
artists.
However,
they
have
retained
the
seventh
floor
in
the
massing
and
treatment
of
the
upper
stories
that
would
overwhelm
the
scale
of
fourth
street
southeast
in
dinkytown.
U
U
When
we
don't
know
how
many
affordable
housing
units
there
will
be
number
two,
we
want
the
upper
story
significantly
step
back
on
4th
street
southeast
rather
than
the
one
foot
step
back
proposed.
The
venue
again
provides
precedent,
as
does
the
ca
ventures
project
for
their
fourth
street
frontage,
and
is
this
commission
required
on
14th
avenue?
U
U
We
oppose
the
addition
of
balconies
that
will
attract
attention
to
the
building
height,
which
even
has
six
stories
is
out
of
scale
with
the
surrounding
dinkytown
structures
and
extend
beyond
the
property
line
number
three.
We
want
to
reduce
the
amount
of
lobbying
amenity
space
and
increase
the
commercial
space.
It
would
be
increased
by
moving
the
bicycle
storage
and
realigning
the
private
amenity
and
lobby
space
to
be
narrower
and
deeper.
U
We
question
the
staff
of
reports
assertion
that
the
project
uses
architectural
techniques
breaking
up
the
building
mass
and
reducing
its
bulk
impact
on
neighboring
historic
properties
in
support
of
policy
6
of
the
2040
plan.
We
want
more
and
smaller
commercial
spaces
for
a
more
community
oriented
street
front
to
alleviate
the
canyon
effect
of
the
current
design,
be
more
interesting
and
better
fit
with
the
scale
and
context
of
dinky
town.
U
Currently,
any
activity
engendered
by
this
project
is
either
programmed
or
private.
There's
little
space
for
life
on
the
street
number
four.
We
want
the
required
82
parking
spaces
to
be
maintained,
rather
than
reducing
the
number
to
73..
The
request
for
variance
does
not
conform
to
the
overlay
district
allowance
of
half
a
parking
space
per
bedroom.
U
The
staff
report
seems
to
suggest
the
practical
difficulty
with
complying
is
the
requirement
itself.
Reducing
the
number
of
stories
to
six
would
eliminate
40
bedrooms,
reducing
the
required
parking
spaces
by
approximately
20
and
eliminating
the
need
for
parking.
Variances
parking
is
an
ongoing
issue
for
marcy
homes
and
for
dinkytown
in
particular,
and
students.
Don't
necessarily
have
small
cars,
marcie
holmes,
neighborhood
association
feels
the
project
needs
to
be
a
more
pedestrian
friendly.
Addition
to
dinky
town
as
stinky
town
has
historically
served
the
university
community.
A
development
that
references,
its
small
scale
would
be
a
better
fit.
G
M
M
In
particular,
I
want
to
call
out
the
parking
space
reduction.
I
think
this
is
a
good
thing.
Less
than
half
households
in
this
neighborhood
even
have
access
to
a
car.
This
is
a
very
walkable
neighborhood.
We
have
really
everything
we
need
here.
We
have
grocery
store.
We
have
a
pharmacy,
we
have
a
barber
shop,
we
have
jobs
with
university,
so
there's
really
very
little
need
for
a
lot
of
parking
here.
I
also
support
the
rezoning
and
the
slight
height
increase,
which
is
allowed
in
the
20
40
plan,
as
well
as
the
site
plan
review.
M
I
think
the
height
here
is
totally
appropriate,
similar
to
a
lot
of
other
buildings
around
here.
It's
really
similar
to
most
buildings
like
the
4th
street
co-op.
It's
actually
a
lot
less
than
the
chateau
as
well,
which
is
22
stories.
This
is
only
six
and
that's
only
right
across
the
street
from
here.
M
I
also
in
particular,
want
to
call
out
that
I
do
not
support
imposing
an
additional
step
back
on
the
additional
floors
of
this
building.
I
think
it's
good
the
way
it
is.
This
is
notably
not
even
in
the
historic
district.
It's
just
nearby
it
and
I'd
like
to
also
call
it
that
most
historic
buildings
don't
even
have
setbacks.
M
If
you
look
in
the
north
loop,
if
you
look
on
main
street,
if
you
look
on
central
avenue,
there
are
lots
of
four
or
six
story
buildings
that
don't
have
any
kind
of
setbacks.
So
this
would
just
look
strange
near
the
historic
district.
If
you
were
to
impose
this
and
in
addition,
getting
rid
of
units
to
impose
a
step
back
is
going
to
remove
units
from
the
building.
M
This
is
going
to
raise
rent
to
mean
that
I
have
less
neighbors
here
and
we
have
less
people
coming
to
our
neighborhood
businesses
and
finally,
I'd
just
like
to
say
that
I'm
a
23
year
old
renter
in
this
neighborhood
and
what
I'm
most
concerned
about
is
climate
change.
I'm
not
concerned
about
the
historic
district,
I'm
not
concerned
about
having
tons
of
parking.
M
G
L
L
Anyway,
I
sent
a
picture
of
the
red
barn
protest
from
1966
1970..
Can
you
hear.
L
Oh
okay,
as
you
can
see,
there's
it's
hard
to
tell,
but
there
are
three
buildings
there
that
were
torn
down
to
make
way
for
a
building
that
has
one
business
in
it
now,
but
initially
that
was
a
fight
over
whether
it's
going
to
be
a
a
drive-in
there's
the
one
building
there's
the
pictures
talking
about.
There
are
five
businesses
there
developer
just
said
they
can't
make
enough
space
in
that
that
those
five
businesses
are
in
only
a
portion
of
the
space
in
the
proposed
building.
L
It
seems
to
me
you
can
have
more
activity
on
the
street
than
they're
allowing
for
and
the
big
thing
about,
dinky
town
is.
This
is
an
activity
center
and
it
involves
the
street.
It's
pedestrian
areas.
People
have
often
repeatedly
said,
and
it
involves
a
lot
of
activity
the
stuff
on
the
street
should
be
commercial
and
public,
and
so
that
we
have
generating
activity.
L
Now
we
have
a
pandemic
going
on
right
now,
so
there
isn't
a
whole
lot
of
activity
on
the
street
it's
being
discouraged,
but,
as
you
can
see
here,
there's
a
lot
of
fans
of
dinky
town
and
people
have
criticized
our
historic
preservation.
As
being
nostalgic
and
not
historic,
actually
what
dinky
town
is
is
about
nostalgia,
ask
business
owners
about
about
people
coming
in
with
their
children
when
they're,
bringing
them
back
to
the
university
and
introducing
them
to
say
al's,
breakfast
or
or
the
barney's,
and
places
like
that
they
come
back.
L
These
owners
have
said
that
their
generational
loyalty
to
dinky
town
and
to
their
businesses,
and
so
I
want
to
encourage
that
there
be
more
activity
on
the
street
and
not
less
to
be
more
commercial
and
not
less,
and
I
want
to
encourage
everyone
to
see
al
milgram's
film
called
the
dinky
town
uprising.
L
I
know
that's
it's
about
this
demonstration,
that's
pictured
here
in
1970
and
the
loyalty
that
people
coming
from
small
towns
have
about
thinking,
town,
it's
a
place
to
hang
out,
and
I
think
once
this
crisis
is
over,
that
that
will
come
back.
I
appreciate
commissioner
meyer's
talk
about
the
opening
on
the
plaza
it
should
face
fourth
street.
L
Maybe
it
doesn't
have
to
be
a
c
shape.
Maybe
it
could
be
set
back
from
the
street
some
way
to
make
it
more
open,
there's
nothing
wrong
or
silly
about
having
setbacks
at
the
top.
That
makes
the
view
from
the
street
more
pleasing
and
inviting
to
people
who
are
walking
around,
as
this
is
supposed
to
be
a
pedestrian
friendly
activity
center,
and
I
want
to
endorse
barbara
kam's
presentation
of
the
official
position
of
the
marcy
holmes,
neighborhood
association
and
and
kirsten's
presentation,
as
well
she's
a
business
owner
in
dinkytown.
G
Thank
you
for
your
comment.
This
completes
the
list
of
our
registered
speakers.
Is
there
anyone
else
on
this
call?
Who
would
like
to
speak
on
this
item?
If
there
is
please
press
star
six
to.
G
G
Anyone
who
was
not
on
the
registered
list,
but
but
is
here
to
speak
to
this
item
star
six
to
unmute.
G
G
Okay,
seeing
none
commissioner
meyer
okay,
please
go
ahead.
F
I
don't
have
any
additional
questions,
but
just
have
some
comments.
I
just
wanted
to
respond
to
a
few
things
and
spell
out
where
I'm
at
on
this
in
regard
to
the
c-shape
and
the
orientation
of
the
amenity
deck,
I'm
actually
persuaded
to
go
against
that
because
of
something
that
one
of
people
brought
up
that
you
know
in
opposition
to
the
balconies
that
one
testifier
said
you
know,
there's
all
that
noise
and
pollution
on
on
4th
street.
F
So
when
I
think
about
the
amenity
deck,
you
probably
want
that
to
be
a
little
bit
insulated
from
the
from
the
noise
and
air
pollution.
So
I
think
it
probably
makes
more
sense
for
it
to
be
interior.
For
that
reason,
for
the
height
of
the
building,
you
know,
with
the
built
form
changes
that
we
made.
They
can
do
that
by
right
by
complying
with
the
premiums
for
the
parking
request.
F
No
one
who
knows
me
is
going
to
be
surprised
that
I
support
reducing
the
amount
of
parking
there.
I
think
it's
important
to
be
more
transit
oriented,
and
I
think
you
know
the
developer
has
is
going
above
and
beyond
on
that
to
incentivize
less
driving
for
this
setback
request.
I
think
I'm
persuaded
by
the
testimony
of
of
mr
penders
on
that
for
the
balconies
I'd
really.
F
I'm
kind
of
wishing
that
commissioner
lucky
bear
was
here
to
tell
us
what
she
thinks
about
the
balconies.
I
don't
have
a
a
strong
opinion
about
them
in
in
one
direction
or
the
other.
F
I
guess
I
do
have
one
question
about
so
you
know
I
can
only
see
the
current
version
of
what's
proposed.
I
don't
have
what
was
originally
proposed
and
the
changes
compared
to
that
that
some
of
the
neighbors
may
have
been
referencing.
So
can
I
just
get
clarification
like
from
the
from
the
applicant,
so
you
have
already
expanded
the
commercial
frontage.
Is
that
correct.
R
Yeah
hello:
this
is
mick
stoddard,
architect,
yeah.
I
don't
have
the
exact
number
in
front
of
me,
but
I
think
it
was
in
the
60
foot
range.
F
Okay,
so
I'm
going
to
be
interested
to
hear
what
other
commissioners
have
just
to
say
about
like
the
balconies,
but
just
to
get
them
on
the
table.
I
will
make
a
motion
to
approve
items:
a
b
c
d
and
e
with
the
six
stated
conditions
in
compliance
with
staff
recommendation.
G
F
Confirm
I
want
to
read
what
those
extra
three
are.
I
suppose
before
I
come
to.
F
Okay,
I'm
going
to
have
to
pull
that
up,
so
I
I
see
the
commissioner
marwa
had
some
comments,
so
maybe
I
can
take
a
look
at
that
before.
G
Okay,
commissioner
marwah.
P
Howdy,
yes,
I
had
a
question
again
for
the
applicant
kind
of
going
what
commissioner
ryan
was
saying.
I
know
remember
seeing
this
project
and
I
think,
november
or
october
of
last
year.
I
just
again
wanted
to
understand
some
of
the
feedback
we've
given
you,
then
what
have
you
worked
with
the
neighborhood
association
to
have
evolved
in
this
version
of
the
project
that
we're
seeing
today?
And
so
that
was
my
one
question
for
the
applicant
and
then
I
I
like
the
balconies
on
fourth
street.
P
I
don't
have
any
issue
with
that,
I
think
being
in
a
student
environment.
It
makes
sense
to
kind
of
have
them
on
your
main
street.
So
I
have
no
issues
with
that.
I
think
I
think
they
look
fine.
I
do
like
some
of
the
design
elements
that
you
all
have
brought
into
this
project.
I
think
the
lighting
some
of
the
murals.
P
P
I
would
just
like
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
some
of
those
design
decisions
that
might
have
changed
since
we
last
chatted,
and
then
I
also,
but
I
do
feel
for
the
neighborhood
about
the
smaller
commercial
spaces
on
the
ground
floor,
if,
if
there's
a
way
to
codify
or
suggest
that
around
you
know
more
ground
force
bases
of
smaller
sizes,
that
those
would
be
some
of
my
comments
around
that.
G
A
Daniel
the
applicant
obvious,
thank
you
for
your
comments.
Everybody
and
we've
been
working
on
this
for
quite
some
time.
Like
you
said,
we've
incorporated,
we've
worked
with
the
neighborhood
group
several
times
and
went
there
and
incorporated
their
comments
as
many
as
we
could.
The
orientation
of
the
building
is
a
fact
that
that
is
a
suggestion
towards
the
historic
parcel,
as
well
as
the
safety
issue.
Artists,
artist
johnson
brought
up
the
fact
of
the
balconies
being
unsafe.
A
It
was
more
of
articulation
of
architecture
and
trying
to
produce
some
relief
as
well
as
some
detail
on
the
for
that
concept
as
well.
They
don't
have
to
be
there,
but
they
are
five
feet
wide.
Commissioner
luke
lipke
here,
as
well
as
the
the
we
tried
to
bring
the
public
realm
eye
down
with
a
series
of
lights,
setting
back
the
the
second
story
and
are
in
different
in
different
materials,
which
has
a
perception
of
it
being
set
farther
back.
A
We
we
also
try
to
bring
the
historic
value
of
the
street,
skate
public,
realm
or
walking
transit
by
removing
the
removing
removing
the
curb
cut,
as
in
the
existing
design.
There
is
now
as
well
as
we
we
are
able
to
bifurcate
the
commercial
space
into
smaller,
smaller
commercial
spaces,
so
the
3000
could
get
cut
up,
architecturally
or
or
visibly
into
thousand
square
foot
pieces.
We
are
happy
to
say
we
do
have
a
tenant.
A
So
one
of
the
problems
with
all
of
this
right
now
is
that
retail
space
is
vacant
as
it
is
expensive
and
we
are
happy
to
say
that
that
that
tenant
is
coming
back
right,
which
is
a
big
bonus
and
a
big
plus
for
the
small
business,
stinky
town,
etc.
A
Our
choice
was,
I
think,
to
keep
this
building
more
timeless
and
not
use
broad
bright,
broad
colors
and,
as
in
respect
to
the
district,
softer
tone,
bricks,
etc,
and
we
did
also
incorporate
underground
tank
for
the
storm
water
for
the
suggestion
that
that
is
not
necessary.
A
It's
above
and
beyond,
what's
required
at
the
suggestion
of
ted
tucker
and
for
artist
johnson's
second
comment:
we
are
able
to
ask
for
parking
parking,
short-term
parking
as
well
as
relief
for
the
turn
radius
or
turn
right
and
left
turns
out
of
the
13th
avenue
parking
lot,
because
it
is
a
skinny
street
and
she's
100
accurate.
But
I
can't
do
that
until
the
project
of
the
parking
department
at
the
city
does
not
give
does
not
give
approvals
or
application.
A
Q
Thank
you,
madam
president,
I'll
be
supporting
the
motion,
albeit
reluctantly,
for
a
number
of
reasons.
I
I
hear
quite
clearly
the
the
concerns
of
the
neighborhood
about
the
small
commercial
space
and
the
changing
scale
of
this
kind
of
project
on
that
street.
Q
My
reasons
for
supporting
this
have
are
mostly
due
to
the
consistency
of
our
of
our
work
in
this
neighborhood
and
other
neighborhoods.
Where
we've
seen
the
the
same
kind
of
thing,
I
tend
to
agree
that
an
act
of
use
is
not
private
space
necessarily
and
that
most
department
building
lobbies
are
too
big,
but
those
are
more
personal
preferences
than
anything
that
we
can
control,
particularly
with
our
vote
with
respect
to
the
balconies.
Q
I
think,
first
of
all,
I'm
not
even
sure
that
there's
a
way
we
could
approve
this
and
say,
but
you
can't
have
balconies,
I
think,
they're
a
matter
of
the
choice
of
the
developer,
based
on
a
lot
of
things,
and
I
and
I
don't
think
it's
the
case
that,
because
one
person
might
find
them
unsafe,
we
should
not
do
them
here
when
they're
all
over
the
city.
All
new
apartment
buildings
have
them,
and
I
think
you
know
some
people
might
not
like
the
noise.
Other
people
may
like
it.
Q
If
they
don't
like
it,
they
can
close
the
door
or
choose
to
live
in
an
apartment
that
doesn't
have
a
balcony,
so
the
parking
issues,
while
I
do
think
there
is
some
merit
to
the
argument
that
there
shouldn't
be
a
variance
granted
for
something
based
on
an
overlay
district
which
does
not
make
a
property
unique.
I
heard
that
concern
raised
by
one
of
the
citizens.
Q
I've
raised
that
one
myself
in
the
past,
but
I
guess
what
I
would
say
about
that
is
that
this
this
at
least
has
some
parking
which
will
alleviate
some
of
the
burden
on
the
neighborhood
streets
to
to
fit
cars,
and
on
balance
you
know,
we
see
projects
that
have
absolutely
no
parking
at
all
and
most
of
those
get
approved
too.
So
at
least
this
one
has
some
parking.
Q
I
hope
that
will
be
of
some
comfort
to
the
people
in
the
neighborhood,
but
given
given
what
the
comp
plan,
the
built
form
guidelines
are
and
the
practice
of
this
commission
and
other
approvals
that
we've
granted.
I
do
find
this
consistent
with
other
things
we've
done
in
the
cit
in
the
city.
Basically,
as
is
so,
I
will
be
supporting
the
motion.
K
Thank
you.
Madam
president,
many
of
my
comments
were
to
echo
what
commissioner
sweesey
said.
So
I
will
just
add
two
two
new
items
to
the
discussion.
The
first
being,
I
think
it's
very
important
to
have
activity
on
the
street
and
I
think
the
balconies
help
to
complete
some
of
that
goal.
As
we
see
retail
potentially
reducing.
This
can
actually
bring
some
eyes
back
on
the
street
and
some
activity
back
on
the
street.
So
I
think
the
balcony
helps
complete
that
goal
as
well.
K
I'd
also
like
to
know
from
other
commissioners
or
staff
members.
If
there
is
precedent
for
requiring
stepping
back
of
the
upper
levels
as
some
of
the
neighbors
commented
on
and
if
that's
something
we've
required
nearby
or
in
the
same
district.
Thank
you.
G
I
So
I
do
appreciate
that
question.
There
certainly
is
some
precedent
for
stepping
back
upper
floors
as
a
requirement
or
condition
of
a
conditional
use
permit
we
previously
increased
height
through
conditional
use
permits.
This
is
the
first
project
in
front
of
the
planning
commission,
where
that
is
no
longer
the
case.
We
are
now
increasing
height
through
premiums,
which
are
you
know.
Basically,
the
applicant
can
comply
and
get
the
additional
story
or
not-
and
it's
not
really
up
for
discussion.
I
We
can't
attach
conditions
of
approval
to
that
application
for
a
height
premium.
So
in
this
case
the
applicant
is
meeting
the
requirement
to
add
the
additional
story,
and
if
the
commission
wanted
to
require
that
those
upper
floors
be
stepped
back,
it
would
somehow
have
to
be
tied
to
the
site
plan
review
with
some
findings
made
about
what
that
nexus
would
be.
G
Thank
you
kimberly,
and
then
I
just
have
a
couple
of
comments
to
add
myself.
I
wanted
to
say
that,
in
terms
of
the
commercial,
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
there
already
is
a
tenant
that
will
be
coming
back
and
the
space
will
not
remain
empty.
What
I
also
heard
from
the
applicant
is
that
this
space
would
be
flexible
so
that
maybe
in
the
future
there,
depending
on
how
the
situation
goes,
there
could
be
multiple
tenants
there.
G
And
my
personal
comments
about
the
balconies
are
that
I
feel
like.
In
the
last
year,
we
have
all
seen
the
importance
of
access
to
open
space,
even
if
it
is
a
balcony.
G
I
would
hope,
though,
that
through
the
management
of
the
building
that
there
is
some
monitoring
to
make
sure
that
there
is
safe
behavior
on
the
balconies,
since
they
are
facing
this
street,
so
that
there
aren't
any
disturbance
to
the
neighborhood.
G
So
with
that,
I
don't
see
any
other
comments
at
this
point.
Commissioner
meyer,
you
want
to
make
a
motion.
G
Emotion
has
been
made
and
to
approve
the
rezoning
variances
and
the
site
plan
review
for
item
number.
Seven.
Is
there
a
second.
G
D
E
G
D
F
G
I
I
would
also
just
like
to
take
a
minute
to
welcome
our
newest
commissioners
and
just
a
reminder
that
we
do
have
committee
of
the
whole.
On
thursday.
We
have
a
couple
of
items
on
the
agenda,
but
the
bulk
of
the
agenda
will
be
dedicated
to
a
we're,
calling
it
a
training
on
the
implementation
of
the
built
form,
regulations
that
have
now
been
adapted
into
the
zoning
code
and
what
the
planning
commission
can
expect
going
forward
in
terms
of
how
those
regulations
are
being
applied.
I
What
might
change
in
staff
reports
and
what
other
changes
to
be
looking
for
and
considering
when
making
land
use
decisions
as
commissioners,
so
that
will
happen
thursday.
No
appeals
recently
considered
at
this
I'll
continue
to
update
you
on
those
when
we
do
get
them.
Though,
and
that's
all
I
have.
G
Perfect,
thank
you.
Are
there
any
announcements
from
the
commission?
G
Anyone
would
like
to
add
anything.
I
want
to
also
welcome
again
the
new
commissioners.
Thank
you
for
being
here
and,
for
you
know,
volunteering
your
time
and
spending
it
with
us
and
okay.
If
there
aren't
anything
else
and
without
any
objection,
I
declare
that
this
meeting
is
adjourned.
Our
next
meeting
besides
the
committee
of
the
whole,
that
is
this
thursday,
will
be
on
february
22nd.