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From YouTube: March 9, 2021 Police Conduct Oversight Commission
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B
Good
evening,
all
my
name
is
cynthia
jackson.
I
am
the
chair
of
the
police,
conduct
oversight,
commission
and
I'm
going
to
call
this
meeting
for
march
9th
to
order,
as
we
will
begin.
B
B
C
B
F
G
H
B
Eyes
that
motion
carries
and
the
agenda
is
adopted
next
we're
going
to
move
to
the
accept
acceptance
of
the
minutes
from
meetings
from
january,
12,
2021
and
february
16th
of
2021.
May
I
have
a
motion
to
accept
these
minutes.
B
Thank
you.
Will
the
clerk
please
call
the
roll.
I
G
B
Okay,
thank
you.
That
motion
also
carries,
and
the
minutes
for
january
and
february
have
been
accepted.
The
next
order
of
business
we
have
before
us
is
the
acceptance
of
public
comments.
I
will
open
the
floor
and
invite
comments
from
the
community.
We
will
limit
the
public
comment
period
to
no
more
than
two
minutes
per
speaker
and
just
as
a
reminder,
you
will
need
to
press
star
six
to
unmute
your
phone
and
please
state
your
name
for
the
recording
with
that.
Are
there
any
community
members
here
on
the
line
that
would
wish
to
address
the.
J
Okay,
well
I'll
I'll
go
first.
This
is
dave
picking
of
minneapolis
and
I
just
wanted
to
start
with
a
recommendation
that
the
pcoc
should
conduct
a
study
or
a
survey
of
the
experiences
of
both
complainants
and
officers
with
the
opcr
process.
J
This
is
something
that
I've
brought
up
a
number
of
times
over
the
eight
years
of
your
existence.
It's
never
been
done.
It
seems
to
me
a
very
fundamental
thing
to
do
to
determine
if
you
are
meeting
the
purposes
of
the
ordinance
and
to
give
some
input
into
any
possible
changes
or
improvements
to
be
made
to
that
ordinance.
So
I
I
would
very
much
appreciate
someone
initiating
a
you
know
a
vote
to
do
that.
J
I
think
you
have
the
authority
to
do
that,
based
on
it's
similar
to
the
complaint
filing
study
that
you
did
in
2016
to
see
how
that
process
worked,
which,
of
course
it
didn't.
I
mean
the
the
study
identified.
A
lot
of
problems
probably
should
be
redone.
Also,
second
thing
quickly.
I
wanted
to
say
about
your
synopsis.
J
I
noticed
that
on
several
of
these
synopsis
there
is
no.
The
outcome
that's
listed
is
just
that.
It
was
investigated
that
doesn't
seem
to
me
to
be
much
of
an
outcome.
Just
yeah
outcome
just
says:
administrative
investigation.
We
don't
know
if
that
means
that
it
ever
went
to
a
panel
was
their
discipline
was
their
coaching.
J
What
happened
from
that,
and
I
think
that's
important,
because
the
synopsis
are
a
random
summary
of
cases
and
it's
helpful
to
find
from
those
and
we've
done
those
studies
to
indicate
you
know
what
is
happening
to
most
of
the
complaints.
We
know
that
well,
under
one
percent,
lead
to
any
discipline
at
all.
So
what
happens
to
the
others-
and
I
think
this
is
one
of
our
few
chances
to
see
that
and
with
the
way
the
synopses
are
presented
this
month.
J
K
Hello,
madam
chair
and
commissioners,
my
name
is
chuck
turchik
first
thing:
the
number
for
the
conference
id
for
the
call-in
on
the
agenda
itself,
as
opposed
to
the
little
box
that
first
comes
up,
are
different.
The
number
on
the
agenda
itself,
the
nine
digit
number-
does
not
work.
The
one
on
the
little
box
does
for
these
calls.
K
L
K
Comment
has
to
do
with
a
power
that
you
have
under
the
ordinance
that
the
pcoc
has
never
exercised,
and
that
is
the
power
to
participate
in
the
performance
review
of
the
chief
of
police.
Your
rules
not
only
makes
it
a
power,
but
makes
it
a
duty.
Your
rules
say,
shall
the
ordinance
says
may,
but
nevertheless,
you've
never
exerted
that
power.
K
K
Presumably
they
do
them
when
the
chief
is
reappointed
or
nominated
for
reappointment,
and
that
has
happened
twice
during
the
course
of
the
pcoc's
existence.
K
K
So
I'm
just
alerting
you
nine
months
ahead
of
that
time
that
you
really
ought
to
participate
in
the
performance
review,
at
least
for
this
time
around
on
his
reappointment.
K
A
second
comment
I
have:
if
you,
google
office
of
police
conduct
review
data
dashboard,
you
will
come
up
to
a
page
that
will
give
you
the
police,
conduct,
reviews
data
portal
and
on
that
data
portal,
there's
two
bar
graphs.
The
one
on
the
left
is
titled
discipline
issued
by
chief
and
there's
a
bar
there's
a
color
code.
There
that's
headed
discipline.
K
The
items
under
those
that
color
code
are
demotion
letter
of
reprimand
suspension
termination,
coaching
so
coaching
on
the
opcr's
own
data
portal
is
listed
under
discipline.
That's
why
we
and
the
public
are
confused.
We
were
confused
because
the
policy
and
procedure
manual
was
previously
worded
very
very
badly.
Now
that
has
been
changed.
They
have
corrected
that
since
commissioner
sarah
brought
it
to
their
attention,
and
I
see
you're
discussing
coaching
later
on
the
agenda,
so
I
recall
to
your
attention
that
the
opcr's
own
data
portal
lists
coaching
under
discipline.
K
I
have
alerted
them
to
that
fact,
three
or
four
times
now.
I
have
written
the
joint
supervisors
about
that,
but
they
still
list
coaching
under
discipline.
I
don't
know
why,
if
it's
to
to
make
it
look
like
there's
more
discipline,
that's
occurring
because
about
half
the
bars
on
the
bar
graph
are
for
coaching
decisions,
not
for
the
issuance
of
discipline.
K
K
F
My
name
is
emma
peterson
and
I'm
going
to
talk
to
you
guys
today,
so
I
was
a
former
minneapolis
police
explorer
for
you
who
don't
know
the
minneapolis
police
explorers
is
the
department's
youth
program
and
I
have
actually
had
a
lot
of
experience
with
filing
complaints
through
the
opcr
new
internal
affairs
and
also
the
hr
department,
and
so
I
really
want
to
echo
dave
bicking's
call
for
an
audit
of
the
opcr
process
because
I've
been
through
it
and
it.
Let
me
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
my
story
so
from.
F
I
started
as
an
explorer
when
I
was
14
years
old
and
from
the
time
I
was
14,
I
had
male
and
female
minneapolis
police
officers
telling
me
about
their
sex
lives
in
detail.
I
looked
up
to
these
police
officers.
I
trusted
them,
but
they
used
me.
One
officer
used
to
use
me
to
find
other
attractive
female
police
officers
for
him
when
we
went
out
of
town
on
competitions.
F
Another
police
officer
called
me
in
the
middle
of
the
night
because
they
were
stumbling
drunk
and
couldn't
find
their
way
home.
So
I
had
to
go
downtown
the
streets
of
rochester
to
find
her
at
one
in
the
morning.
F
I
also
witnessed
racism
such
as
a
member
of
the
minneapolis
space
department,
calling
three
latino
explorers,
the
three
amigos
and
also
calling
the
the
north
minneapolis
a
war
zone.
So
these
are
a
few
things
that
I've
gone
through
to
tell
you
all
of
it
would
take
hours
and-
and
I
filed
many
complaints
about
what
happened
and
after
I
filed
complaints,
I
heard
nothing
from
the
opcr
from
hr
and
from
ia
they
took
years
to
conduct
the
investigations.
F
So
I
just
want
to
echo
what
they've
said
to
audit
the
opcr
process,
but
also
audit
the
process
that
got
you
on
this
commission,
because
I
think
that
it's
honestly
very
flawed.
I
know
that
a
few
of
you
didn't
even
apply
for
this
commission,
but
got
on
the
wrong
one,
which
I
think
is
incredibly
ridiculous.
F
There
is
also
a
history
of
the
staff
who
choose
who
goes
on
the
pcoc,
not
letting
community
members
like
myself
or,
like
my
godfather,
who
is
an
attorney
from
getting
on
the
commission,
even
though
we've
applied-
and
I
think
it's
frankly
bs.
So
I
think
that
needs
to
be
audited
as
well,
and
I
know
you'll
ever
never
ask
for
an
audit,
because
after
all,
you
got
your
seat
on
it.
F
So
you
don't
have
much
interest
in
it,
but
that's
what
I
think
you
should
do
and
I've
never
seen
any
of
you
at
a
meeting
before.
But
I've
been
coming
for
the
past
few
years,
fighting
for
myself
and
for
other
young
women
like
me,
who
wanted
to
be
police
officers
but
then
met
an
incredibly
sexist
department
and
racist
department.
I
will
add
so
thank
you.
F
B
B
D
If
there
aren't
any
further
comments,
madame
tara,
I'll
just
reference
something
I
posted
in
the
chat,
simply
saying
mr
beck
kings,
referenced
the
2016,
pcoc
research
and
study
and
provided
the
link
for
the
research
and
study
that
he
referenced.
So
the
commissioners
can
view
that,
at
their
leisure.
B
Okay,
with
no
further
comments
from
the
public,
the
next
item
on
our
agenda.
Well,
I
want
to
thank
everyone
that
spoke
tonight.
You
have
raised
some
very
legitimate
concerns
and
trust
that
this
commission
will
address
them.
The
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
a
presentation
regarding
mpd's
property
and
evidence
unit.
As
you'll
recall,
at
our
january
meeting,
commissioner
pineau
moved
to
invite
representatives
from
mpd's
property
and
evidence
division
to
respond
to
our
questions
that
arose
from
discussion
of
the
case
summary
18-20737,
churston,
hammerberg.
B
B
Before
that
she
was
with
the
crystal
police
department
in
crime
prevention
and
evidence
for
four
years,
she's
a
volunteer
on
the
board
of
directors
for
the
international
association
for
property
and
evidence,
and
a
member
of
the
minnesota
association
of
property
and
evidence
she's
also
been
a
resident
of
minneapolis
for
more
than
30
years.
Welcome,
miss
hammerberg.
M
Thank
you
so
much
and
commissioners,
thank
you
for
having
me
if
we
can
pull
up
the
powerpoint
that
I
prepared
I'll
walk
through
this.
I
requested
some
questions
so
that
it
would
help
guide
my
presentation
and
the
response
was
positive.
So
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
walk
through
my
presentation
and
then
at
the
conclusion,
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
have
so
we
can
advance
the
slide.
M
The
minneapolis
police
department,
property
and
evidence
unit
we
basically
store
everything
from
a
to
z.
Everything
that
comes
to
us
gets
a
bar
code,
gets
a
storage,
location
and
tracking
information
so
that
we
can
find
it
in
future,
whether
it's
returning
it
to
an
owner,
getting
it
ready
for
court,
providing
it
for
investigation
a
whole
variety
of
things.
M
So
we
basically
say
that
we
are
the
best
babysitters
and
best
magicians
in
the
city,
because
we
take
things
we
take
care
of
them
and
then,
when
they're
needed,
they
reappear
from
storage
and,
as
you
can
see,
our
warehouse
space
is
full,
but
we
do
have.
We
have
space.
We
just
moved
into
a
new
warehouse
about
a
year
ago
and
we
are
still
getting
things
settled,
but
we
are
able
to
locate
everything
that
we
need.
You
can
go
ahead
and
advance
the
slide.
M
So
the
first
thing
I
learned
was
that
the
case
study
was
a
2018
case
that
there
was
missing
or
misplaced
evidence.
So
the
basics
of
the
case,
as
I
understand
it,
is
that
there
was
a
911
call
for
service,
the
cad,
which
is
the
computer,
aided
dispatch
system.
That
is
used
by
the
many
of
the
communications
911
service
assigns
a
case
number
in
this
case
number
was
for
an
assault
report,
an
officer
made
contact
with
the
victim.
M
They
collected
evidence
which
was
underwear
they
completed
a
domestic
violence
supplement
and
the
medical
release
form
the
officer
cleared
the
scene.
They
entered
their
property
report
for
the
case
number
18-360578
later
on.
They
wrote
a
report
for
the
case
number
18-370-578
on
the
on
the
5th
of
november.
Before
the
end
of
their
shift,
you
can
advance
the
slide.
M
The
case
was
assigned
to
an
investigator
the
investigator
read
about
the
evidence
collected
but
didn't
see
the
evidence
listed
in
the
property
section
of
the
case
report.
The
investigator
contacted
the
submitting
officer,
searches
were
conducted
for
the
missing
evidence
with
negative
results.
The
case
investigation
actually
continued
without
the
physical
evidence
you
can
advance.
M
M
There
was
no
case
entered
in
the
pims
system,
which
is
the
records
management
system
with
the
incorrect
case
number.
The
correct
case
number
actually
had
all
the
supplements,
so
the
evidence
eventually
was
moved
to
the
correct
case
number.
So
if
you
were
to
look
at
that
today,
you
would
see
the
evidence
listed
there.
You
can
advance
the
slide,
just
some
definitions
so
that
everyone
understands
kind
of
the
language
that
I
speak
in
property
and
evidence.
We
have
a
cad
which
is
a
computer-aided
dispatch
system.
It
captures
all
the
information
related
to
a
call
for
service.
M
This
is
what
the
9-1-1
dispatchers
use
to
log
calls
for
service
evidence
is
document
or
oral
statement.
Material
objects
that
are
admissible
as
testimony
in
a
court
of
law,
evidence
continuity,
it's
a
fancy
term
for
chain
of
custody,
and
that's
the
documented
history
of
an
item
of
evidence
that
or
an
item
that
we
have
either
for
evidence
or
safe
keeping.
M
A
property
report
is
what
is
a
number
that's
assigned
to
all
items
submitted
as
evidence
or
safe
keeping
for
the
purpose
of
tracking
safe
keeping
is
any
material
object
of
value,
however,
slight,
tangible
or
intangible
to
which
an
owner
has
a
legal
right.
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
review
what
those
definitions
are.
So
as
we
go
through
this
there's
a
joint
understanding
of
what
those
definitions
are,
you
can
advance
the
slide.
Please.
M
M
The
dispatcher
talks
with
the
responding
officer
or
sends
the
call
out
on
the
radio
and
the
cat
is
where
police
calls
for
service
are
documented,
and
this
is
just
a
screenshot
of
what
the
cad
looks
like
as
it
is
presented
on
a
computer
screen
for
an
officer
to
view.
So
you
can
advance
the
slide
a
couple
things.
We
need
to
track
evidence,
we
need
a
computer
workstation
and
that
can
be
either
a
desktop
workstation
or
a
computer.
That's
in
the
squad
car.
You
need
a
barcode
printer.
M
Those
are
located
at
precincts
and
investigative
units,
and
here
at
the
property
warehouse
those
are
not
in
the
squad
car.
Then
you
need
a
scanner.
Those
are
all
also
located
where
the
printers
are.
So
when
you
print
out
a
barcode
label,
the
scanner
allows
you
to
scan
that
into
the
system.
So
that's
that's
the
setup
you
need.
M
M
M
That's
the
way
this
system
is
designed
because
many
cases
are
entered
in
the
system
at
a
later
time
and
the
evidence
can
be
entered
from
the
squad
car.
So
there
are
two
separate
functions
that
happen,
so
it
is
possible
to
enter
evidence
under
a
case
number
that
doesn't
exist
and
then
enter
a
case
in
the
system
that
does
exist.
M
M
We
do
an
intake
of
all
the
evidence
into
the
records
management
system,
and
this
is
where
it
shows
it
went
from
the
scene
to
a
temporary
locker
from
the
temporary
locker
to
the
property
warehouse
from
the
property
warehouse.
Then
we
assign
a
storage
location
and
we
continue
to
manage
the
chain
of
custody.
M
So
it
would
go
from
the
storage
location
to
an
investigator
who
would
take
it
to
the
bca
or
take
it
back
to
their
office
to
to
continue
reviewing
things
and
then
items
would
be
returned
back
to
us,
and
then
it
may
be
checked
out
for
court
at
a
later
time
and
we're
managing
that
flow
of
history
of
the
item.
So
you
can
advance
the
slide.
Please.
M
The
mpd
policy
and
procedure
manual,
as
you
cited
in
your
report,
was
all
mpd
employees
taking
possession
of
property,
whether
it's
evidence
or
non-evidence
shall
place
such
property
in
the
custody,
the
property
and
evidence
unit
and
complete.
The
inventory
prior
to
the
end
of
their
shift,
the
inventory,
shall
include
all
evidence
seized,
regardless
of
whether
an
arrest
has
been
made,
and
this
includes
sworn
employees
working
off
duty
employment.
M
M
M
If
you're
looking
quickly
and
on
the
day
in
question,
I
looked
at
all
of
the
cases
that
were
generated
and
it
was
about
415
cases
in
a
12
hour
period
of
time,
so
numbers
are
easy
to
transpose
multitasking
at
the
same
time,
can
lead
to
reduced
concentration
and
that
ultimately
leads
to
errors,
as
we
all
know,
because
we're
all
trying
to
multitask
at
various
times
in
our
day,
you
can
advance
please
so
first
thing
I
want
to
show
you.
I
want
you
to
take
a
look
if
you'll
make
one
click,
please.
M
M
The
six
and
the
seven
are
changed
around
observant,
and
that
is
that
is
something
that
is
very
easy
to
do
and
in
looking
at
this
case,
the
six
and
the
seven
were
actually
changed
around
one
was
the
the
case
number
where
the
all
the
supplements
were
written
and
one
was
the
case
number
used
for
the
evidence
that
was
submitted.
M
So
what
failed?
The
case
number
was
incorrect
on
the
evidence
from
the
very
beginning,
the
top
picture
on
the
right,
I've,
I've
blacked
out
the
names
of
individuals
for
for
privacy.
However,
I
left
the
case
number
hand
written
in
the
corner,
and
the
case
number
that
you
see
handwritten
in
the
corner
is
the
incorrect
case
number.
M
2018-360578,
and
if
you
look
on
the
bottom
picture,
you
can
see
that
the
all
the
chain
of
custody
or
the
tracking
of
the
evidence
is
right
there
and
I'm
just
trying
to
find
I'm
looking
at
halfway
down.
It
says
18-11-06
and
the
time
is
zero.
Seven,
zero,
eight
with
an
employee
number
of
one,
two,
nine
three,
four
three.
If
you
read
across
that
line
the
case
number
three:
seven,
zero,
five,
six
eight
is
in
the
case
notes,
so
you
can
see
where
the
transcription
or
the
transposition
of
the
numbers
occurred.
M
So
what
else
failed?
The
pims
system
police
information
management
system,
which
is
our
records
management
system,
was
brand
new
to
the
mpd.
As
of
june
5th
of
2018.
M
M
M
No
one
involved
the
investigator
the
officer,
a
variety
of
other
individuals
understood
how
to
efficiently
run
queries
that
may
have
solved
this
mystery
sooner
and
in
this
system.
We're
able
to
query
by
an
officer's
name
by
date
and
time
by
type
of
property
or
evidence,
and
we
can
use
a
variety
of
variables
to
do
queries
to
see
if
we
can
find
something
that
was
mistakenly
entered
under
an
incorrect
case.
Number.
M
Nothing
in
our
system
in
the
records
management
system
warns
that
there's
not
an
associated
case
for
and
for
the
evidence,
that's
entered
if
you
enter
the
evidence
before
another
case
is
in
the
system.
So
it's
designed
that
way
because
officers
take
evidence
and
they
want
to
enter.
It
is
chain
of
custody
as
soon
as
possible
and
then,
when
they
get
to
a
station
where
they
can
sit
and
think
and
write
their
report,
then
they
write
their
report
separately.
So
that's
and
then
those
two
things
are
merged
together.
M
M
So
you
can
advance
the
slide.
Please
future
things
for
prevention
number
one
trying
to
reduce
human
error.
There
are
a
number
of
things
that
we
can
all
practice
and
that's
reviewing
things
before
we
submit
them,
and
that
may
be
evidence
that
may
be
an
email
that
you
send
quickly.
M
It's
reducing
the
human
error
and
basically
reviewing
things
before
you
hit
that
go
button,
reinforcing
a
process
for
officers
that
they
do
at
the
beginning
and
the
end
of
each
shift
at
the
beginning
of
the
shift,
they're
trained
to
cl
look
over
their
squad
car
make
sure
that
there's
nothing
in
there.
That
was
accidentally
left
by
a
previous
shift
or
a
previous
officer
that
used
the
squad
car
at
the
end
of
their
shift.
M
They're
trained
to
do
that
very
same
things
to
go
through
their
squad,
car
and
clean
things
out,
and
I
can't
speak
to
what
happens
in
the
transition
with
officers.
I
think
sometimes
people
don't
take
the
time-
that's
necessary
to
do
those
last
details
because
you're
either
coming
on
to
your
shift
and
you're
responding
to
calls
as
soon
as
you
climb
in
your
car
or
you're,
ending
your
shift
after
a
long
day
and
you've
got
other
things
on
your
mind
and
you're
ready
to
leave.
For
the
day.
M
The
report
could
have
been
reviewed
by
the
supervisor,
which
would
include
saying
you
took
this
type
of
report.
Is
there
associated
evidence
and
verifying
that
that
evidence
existed
in
the
report
when
an
issue
is
discovered,
notifying
someone
sooner
rather
than
later,
so
that
those
types
of
searches
can
be
conducted
in
a
more
expedient
manner,
more
timely
manner,
so
that
the
evidence
in
this
case
may
have
been
able
to
be
located
as
soon
as
the
investigator
noticed
that
it
was
missing
from
the
case.
M
Excuse
me
you,
the
other
future
prevention
thing
is
to
involve
appropriate
other
units
for
assistance
in
doing
those
searches.
The
business
technology
unit
property
and
evidence,
the
pims
administrator
all
of
us
are
well
versed
in
how
to
search
in
different
ways
to
locate
items
that
may
be
associated
with
the
wrong
case.
M
M
So
a
combination
of
situations
led
to
this
evidence
being
under
the
wrong
case
number
and
the
bottom
line
for
prevention
is
ask
questions.
If
something
isn't,
as
you
believe,
it
should
be,
ask
questions
and
follow
up,
and
I
think
those
were
the
things
that
are
preventable
types
of
things
or
at
least
solutions
to
when
we're.
When
we're
looking
for
something
that
may
be
misplaced,
you
can
advance
the
slide
please.
M
So,
in
summary,
the
situation
presented
it
number
one.
It's
not
something
new.
This
is
something
that
we
deal
with
on
a
weekly
basis,
a
monthly
basis
items
can
be
entered
under
a
wrong
case
number
and
the
sooner
we
know
that
that
has
happened.
The
sooner
we
can
begin
searching
and
ultimately
find
those
things
and
link
them
to
the
correct
case.
M
The
reason
is
not
something
new
human
error,
lack
of
focus,
a
need
to
slow
down
and
double
check
your
work.
There
are
ways
to
search
for
items
considered
missing,
being
able
to
reach
out
to
resources
that
are
available
for
you,
and
this
error
can
be
corrected.
If
and
when
it's
discovered
and
that's
that's.
The
key
is
that
if
we
know
that
the
item
came
in,
it
can
be
corrected
if
we
know
soon
enough,
so
that
we
can
employ
those
resources
in
order
to
find
those
things
next
slide.
Please.
M
So
at
this
point,
if
you
have
further
questions,
I'd
be
happy
to
try
to
address
them.
I
know
you
wanted
to
focus
on
that
particular
case.
So
hopefully
that
was
helpful
with
an
explanation
for.
N
B
Well,
great,
okay,
can
you
hear
me
now?
Yes,
okay,
all
right!
No,
I
was
just
saying
thank
you,
miss
hammerberg
for
for
that
overview
for
us
and
are
there
any
questions
from
the
commissioners
commissioner,
pineau.
D
Thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
very
much,
mrs
hammerberg,
for
giving
us
that
presentation
and
spending
a
bit
of
your
evening
with
us
to
help
us
better
understand
the
context.
D
One
of
the
first
questions
I
had
written
down
was:
how
frequent
do
you
see
this
type
of
error
come
up
and
I'm
glad
you
kind
of
answered
it
before
I
had
the
time
to
ask
it,
but
it's
it's
kind
of
concerning
to
see
that
you
say
that
this
is
a
regular
thing
and
since
you
have
so
much
experience,
I
heard
crystal
pd
minnesota
association
of
property
and
evidence
right.
Can
you
give
us
an
idea
of
in
your
other
experiences
or
maybe
even
within
the
the
minneapolis
police
department?
D
What
improvements
have
you
seen
both
internally
in
your
job,
but
also
either
at
crystal
or
within
other
entities
that
we
might
be
able
to
learn
about
or
the
police
department
might
be
able
to
implement
and
improve
this
process?
I
get
human
error
exists,
but
are
there
other
ways
that
we
could
kind
of
make
it
easier.
M
If
I
had
the
answer
to
make
it
easier,
I'd
probably
be
a
millionaire
not
working
for
the
city
any
longer
the.
When
I
say
that
it
happens
on
a
weekly
to
monthly
basis.
That's
the
frequency
that
I
will
get
an
email
from
an
officer
saying
I
think
I
messed
up.
I
think
that
I
entered
something
under
a
wrong
case
number
please
help,
and
so
I
can
go
into
the
system
with
the
information
provided
by
the
officer.
M
On
average,
we
take
in
about
375
000
different
things
every
year
from
police
officers
in
our
department
alone,
and
we
have
about
1.5
million
things
stored
here
in
the
warehouse
and
so
the
ability
to
search
by
a
variety
of
parameters
to
locate
an
item
that
may
be
connected
to
be
maybe
not
connected
to
the
correct
case.
We
start
to
become
very
adept
at
making
those
connections.
M
And
again
I
I
work
in
the
world
of
numbers
here
in
looking
at
a
property
number-
are
right
now
we're
up
to
six
digits
in
the
property
number
at
one,
one
thousand
five
hundred
and
fifty
six,
and
then
you
know
three
more
numbers
and
to
make
sure
that
we
keep
them
in
numerical
order
to
make
sure
that
we
make
sure
you
know
that
we're
doing
our
due
diligence
to
watch
the
numbers
and
not
transpose
them
at
times,
numbers
do
get
transposed
and
it's
a
matter
of
as
soon
as
we
know
being
able
to
jump
on
it
as
opposed
to
allowing
a
lot
of
time
to
go
by
and
then
having
to
look
backwards
over
months
or
years.
M
We
want
to
be
able
to
look
backwards
over
days
or
weeks,
and
that's
you
know
it.
Unfortunately,
the
information
put
into
a
computer
is
only
as
good
as
the
person
entering
it.
D
Yeah
that
that
definitely
makes
sense
and
and
just
so
that
way
like
I
understand
the
rationale
behind
the
the
disconnect
between
the
the
cad
numbers
that
I
assume
are
originally
created
via
dispatch
right
is
that
where
the
original
numbers
start
off
and
the
idea
behind
that
is,
is
that
there's
just
some
time
latency
it
takes
a
while
for
that
number
to
make
its
way
over
to
the
same
sort
of
either
software
or
universe,
where
there
is
inventory.
Is
that
the
correct
assumption
that
I'm
making
here.
M
M
You
still
have
to
look
through
that
list
to
get
the
right
number
to
write
your
report,
because
the
officer
puts
in
the
case
number
they
are
using
from
the
cad
into
the
records
management
system
where
they
write
their
police
report
so
from
the
dispatcher
to
the
squad
car
cad
device,
then
that
they
usually
an
officer,
will
frequently
write
it
down
by
hand
in
a
notebook.
They
will
go
back
to
a
desk
workstation
and
then
from
the
notebook
they
will
type
in
the
case
number
into
the
records
management
system,
and
so
in
this
situation.
M
If
the
officer
in
the
squad
car
looked
at
the
number
and
transposed
it
and
wrote
it
on
their
handwritten
note
and
then
went
and
sat
at
a
computer,
that's
that's
where
the
problem
exists.
The
cad
does
not
fill
into
the
records
management
system
that
that
connection
isn't
there
and
that's
more
of
something
that
needed
would
need
to
be
addressed
by
our
business
technology
unit.
That
wouldn't
be
something
that
I
could
really
address
very
well.
D
Okay,
thank
you.
I
I
don't
have
any
further
questions.
O
M
That
that
again,
is
something
that
our
business
technology
unit
would
be
able
to
answer
better
than
I
could.
I
know
that
audits
are
done,
but
I
don't
know
at
what
frequency
or
at
what
to
what
degree
those
are
conducted,
so
the
business
technology
unit
and
commander
travis
glampi
would
have
to
kind
of
feed
in
on
that
one.
I
don't
have
that
answer.
O
M
That
is
a
possibility
when
the
cases
are
generated.
They
are
routed
to
the
various
investigative
units
and
the
lieutenant
in
charge
of
the
investigative
unit,
reviews
the
cases
and
then
makes
case
assignments,
so
some
cases
are
assigned
to
an
investigator.
Some
cases
are
unassigned
and
lay
dormant.
Some
cases
are
redlined
or
closed
because
they
don't
have
enough
evidence
to
proceed
or
they
don't
have
a
complete
case
to
proceed,
and
so
there
are
a
variety
of
of,
I
guess
benchmarks
to
use
for
each
one
of
those
levels.
P
I
did
thank
you
so
because
you
said
that
this
happens
so
often
is
there
anything
that,
like
your
office,
can
do
to
support
officers
to
kind
of
like
keep
it
from
happening?
I
mean
I
don't
know
what
like
what
that
would
look
like,
because
it
sounds
like
it
could
get
fixed
if
they
come
forward.
But
or
is
there
things
that
like
we
could
act
or
you
guys
could
add
to
pims
to
try
to
like
keep
that
from
happening
or
has
that
been
talked
about
at
all.
M
M
M
And
and
so
I
I
try
to
be
proactive
on
our
end,
for
the
intake
items
that
we
see
and
right
now
I
I
cleaned
things
up
from
the
oldest
was
february.
12Th
is
what
I
was
working
on
today
and
I
had
four
items
from
february
that
were
outstanding
and
we
were
trying
to
track
down
and
account
for
and
then
the
next
oldest
item
was
from
just
this
past
friday,
this
the
fifth
of
march.
M
So
it's
not
uncommon
for
something
to
be
listed
as
on
the
intake
list
and
it
be
sitting
at
a
precinct
in
one
of
the
evidence.
Temporary
evidence.
Lockers
in
a
lieutenant's
inbox,
because
it's
a
video
or
audio
that
they're
reviewing
before
they
submit
it
to
us.
M
N
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you,
miss
hammerberg
for
coming
and
speaking
and
sharing
with
how
the
whole
process
of
property
and
evidence
works,
especially
as
it
pertains
to
this
case.
I
have
two
been
a
dispatcher
that
generates
the
cases
and
then
the
case
goes
to
you
know
the
officer
and
the
officer
goes
to
the
property
evidence
and
the
records
technicians
and
all
that
stuff.
I've
worked
as
a
records
technician
and
I've
spent
some
part
time
in
property
and
evidence.
N
Commissioner,
pino
and
abdi
were
saying
that
it's
it's
a
matter
of
just
making
sure
that
all
eyes
are
on
it
because,
like
I
said
it
goes
through
many
many
different
steps
and
you
have
that
sergeants
who
need
to
review
those
cases.
You
have
your
records
technicians
who
too
need
to
be
reviewing
those
cases
and
making
sure
all
the
numbers
align,
because
they
can
get
mixed
up
and
when
you're
looking
at
numbers
numerous
times
like
that
and
you're
working
late
at
night,
a
lot
of
things
can
happen.
N
So
I
guess
it's
just
a
matter
of
enforcing
and
making
sure
that
everybody
takes
a
look
at
it.
When
it
comes
on
your
desk,
everybody
takes
a
look
at
it,
so
things
are
caught
sooner
than
later,.
M
Thank
you
for
that
and
you're
right
in
that
the
officer
will
write
the
report.
There
is
a
supervisory
review
to
some
degree
and
I
don't
know
how
closely
that
is
looked
at
and
then
there's
the
review
by
the
investigative
lieutenant
if
the
cases
are
assigned.
So
there
are
a
couple
of
points
where
something
should
have
been
recognized.
M
An
item
of
evidence
not
showing
up
would
be
a
big,
a
big
thing
and
had
we
recognized
it
sooner,
we
could
have
corrected
it
sooner,
so
it
wouldn't
have
come
under
review.
B
I
apologize
okay,
just
for
clarification.
I
believe
you've
stated
a
few
times
that
as
soon
as
an
issue
like
this
is
noticed,
that
action
is
taken
like
almost
immediately
that
you
begin
to
solve
the
problem.
Okay,
then
I'm
I'm
wondering
why
the
investigator
in
the
powerpoint
it
states
that
the
investigator
didn't
ask
for
assistance
immediately
when
it
was
noticed,
evidence
wasn't
showing
up
with
the
case
that
assumptions
were
made,
but
nothing
was
done
so
could
you
clarify
that,
for
me,.
E
M
Case
so
I
pardon
me,
I
read
your
report
and
I
read
the
case
so
that
I
had
an
understanding
of
the
case,
and
so
I'm
also
making
assumptions
that
this
again
is
is
two
and
a
half
years
ago.
M
So
my
assumption
is
that
others
made
assumptions,
and
I
guess
we
all
know
what
that
can
do.
So
I
was
trying
to
piece
together
what
likely
happened
and
what
possible
solutions.
There
are.
B
E
Thank
you,
miss
hammerberg,
do
you
know
was,
was
the
chain
of
custody
broken
here,
or
were
you
able
to
sort
of
maintain
that
chain,
because
you
were
able
to
figure
out
that
the
numbers
were
transposed
the
chain.
C
M
Did
get
cataloged
and
stored
correctly,
based
on
the
number
that
we
had
it
was
when
excuse
me,
it
was
when
we've
discovered
that
the
case
number
was
incorrect,
that
we
could
then
go
back,
pull
up.
The
evidence,
make
the
correction
of
the
case
number
and
link
it
to
the
case.
So
chain
of
custody
was
never
broken.
Okay,
it
was
always
under
our
control.
I
N
E
Question
I
should
have
asked,
is:
did
you
catch
it
not
immediately,
but
did
you
catch
it
in
time
so
that
it
was
able
to
be
associated
with
a
criminal
case
or
did
the
criminal
case
have
to
go
without
this
piece
of
evidence.
M
The
investigator
in
the
case
said
they
were
pursuing
criminal
charges
without
the
physical
evidence,
and
my
understanding
is
the
case
is
dormant
and
so
it
hasn't
been
closed,
but
it
hasn't
been
actively
pursued
and,
and
now
the
evidence
is
associated
with
it.
So
if
the
case
were
to
be
pursued,
the
evidence
would
be
present.
H
Thank
you
so
much.
I
appreciate
it
all.
My
fellow
commissioners
have
asked
all
the
questions
that
I
wanted
to
wanted
to
ask,
and
I'm
I'm
in
such
great
company
here,
but
ms
humberberg.
I
really
just
wanted
to
thank
you
for
your
time
and
your
service
coming
to
us
today,
but,
most
importantly,
serving
the
city's
citizens
of
minneapolis.
I
really
appreciate
you.
D
I
I
do
have
one
more
quick
one,
just
following
up
from
commissioner
sarah's
question
about
just
the
timeline
of
all
of
this
and
how
the
evidence
is
part
of
the
you
know,
prosecutors
or
just
about
the
larger
court
case
right
once.
D
An
administrative
era
like
this
ends
up,
you
know
being
rectified
in
some
sort
of
way.
Is
there
some
sort
of
notification
system
or
like
how
do
people
know?
You
know
the
lawyers
at
the
end
of
the
day
on
either
side
of
the
courtroom
know
whether
or
not
oh,
hey,
there's
this
new
bit
of
information.
That's
something
completely
new
to
me,
and
I
was
wondering
if,
if
that
somehow
provides
a
little
bit
more
detail
to
what
commissioner
sarah
was
asking.
M
So,
as
I
understand
how
all
the
systems
work
number
one,
when
the
correction
of
the
evidence
was
made
from
the
incorrect
case
number
to
the
correct
case
number
through
the
pim
system,
it
routes
to
the
investigator.
M
The
investigator
gets
a
notification
what
they
choose
to
do
with
that
is
their
process,
and
you
know
that,
and
so
I
don't
know
how
they
inform
the
prosecuting
attorney
or
others
yeah.
D
B
D
M
M
So,
depending
on
the
type
of
case,
the
statute
of
limitations
will
dictate
when
charges
can
be
filed
and
the
statute
of
limitations
says
basically
that
for
a
case
that
has
no
suspect
no
evidence
or
there
there
aren't
any
viable
leads.
We
have
to
hold
the
evidence
for
a
specific
period
of
time,
once
there's
a
suspect
and
there's
evidence
and
there
are
viable
leads,
then
the
clock
is
ticking
and
charges
have
to
be
filed
within
that
period
of
time
so,
for
instance,
a
misdemeanor
type
of
a
crime.
M
The
statute
of
limitations
is
three
years,
so
if
joe
blow
is
arrested
for
any
misdemeanor
crime,
the
department,
the
police
department,
an
investigator,
has
three
years
from
the
date
of
that
crime
to
file
charges
now
the
most
crimes
that,
if
you
look
at
statistics,
most
of
the
crimes
committed
are
misdemeanor
or
gross
misdemeanor,
and
that
is
my.
My
estimate
is
eighty
percent
of
the
workload.
M
Twenty
percent
of
the
workload
is
the
felony
level
crime
and
the
statute
of
limitations,
for
those
is
seven,
is
seven
years
or
longer,
and
so,
depending
on
the
type
of
case
that,
for
instance,
this
case,
the
charges
could
sit
dormant
for
this
two
and
a
half
year
period
of
time,
but
because
there
is
evidence
the
case
can
be
reopened
and
charged
before
the
statute
of
limitations.
Tolls
does
that
make
sense?
M
B
Okay,
seeing
as
how
we
have
no
further
questions,
miss
hammerberg,
I
want
to
thank
you
again
for
taking
your
time
and
coming
and
sharing
your
expertise
with
us.
This
is
very
interested,
very
informative
and
just
on
the
behalf
of
the
commission,
we
want
to
say
thank
you
to
you,
so
I
will
direct
the
clerk
to
receive
and
file
that
report.
Please.
B
B
Q
Q
All
right,
good
evening,
everybody,
I'm
gonna,
present
your
case
summaries
tonight
so
case
number
three.
You
can
see
that
it
was
alleged
that
the
officers
detained
the
complaint's
brother
outside
of
his
home.
He
had
some
force
concerns
that
you
can
see
here
saying
he
was
thrown
to
the
ground,
so
the
intake
investigators
located
both
the
pims,
which
is
the
police
information
management
system,
is
what
that's
that
stands
for.
That
is
where
the
police
reports
are
stored.
Q
Q
The
officers
stood
with
the
distance
between
themselves
and
the
subject,
and
the
subject
is
handcuffed
by
officers
and
walked
towards
a
squad
car.
According
to
the
investigator,
there
was
no
use
of
force.
This
is
intake
investigators
by
the
way-
and
I
know
in
the
training
we
covered
just
a
refresher,
there's,
a
difference
between
a
case
investigator
who
investigates
an
open
case
and
then
a
intake
investigator.
So
the
intake
investigator
here
noted
that
there
was
no
use
of
force
observed
before
or
during
the
length
of
detention.
Q
So
after
reviewing
the
case
going
through
the
body
camera
going
through
the
police
report
going
through
the
vizinet
report,
which
is
the
gps
report,
the
officer
didn't
have
their
body
camera
on
at
the
appropriate
time,
and
so
they
were
sent
to
coaching
for
a
body.
Camera
violation.
B
B
Any
discussion
or
further
questions,
yes,
commissioner.
Sarah
thank.
Q
They
did
have
their
body
camera
on,
they
just
didn't,
have
it
on
for
the
duration
of
the
event,
so
a
lot
of
the
body
camera
complaints
like
if
they
missed
something
significant.
We
send
it
through
to
investigation
so
a
lot
of
times.
It's
like
they
just
didn't
turn
it
on
fast
enough.
So
we
might
miss
like
the
beginning
of
the
interaction
and
that's
a
violation
because
they
should
have
it
on
for
the
entire
interaction.
Q
What
we
see
like
in
a
ca
on
a
case
like
this,
because
I
can't
talk
about
more
specifics-
that
are
there
at
a
case
like
this.
Normally,
what
you'll
see
is
when
the
body
camera
starts,
rolling
you'll,
see
two
people
talking
to
each
other,
but
it's
silent
for
30
seconds,
because
there's
a
30
second
buffer,
and
so
we
see
that
there's
already
people
talking
to
each
other,
and
that's
the
cue
that
no
you
should
have
had
that
on.
Q
You
know
when
you
were
walking
up,
you
should
have
turned
it
on
when
you
were
so
if
they
don't,
if
it's,
if
they're
already
engaged
with
someone
you're
too
late.
Even
if
I
didn't
miss
anything
critical,
you
still
need
to
go
back
to
talk
to
your
supervisor,
because
you
didn't
understand
that
you
needed
to
turn
it
on
earlier.
Q
Q
Q
I
think
the
purpose
for
me
coming
to
discuss
the
cases
and
answer
questions
for
you
is
so
that
you
can
get
you
can
decide
what
you
would
like
to
look
into
more
what
you
would
like
to
do
a
deep
dive
on
for
I,
what
what
I'm
not
gonna
do
is
is
get
engaged
in
this
like
back
and
forth
of,
like
micro
analyzing,
the
cases
right,
because
what
I
can
provide
to
you
is
in
the
summary
and
I'm
sorry
that
you
don't
feel
like
that's
enough.
I
I
really
understand
that,
but
that
is
the
state
law.
Q
I
I
can't
go
into
this
deep
dive.
They
do
get
letters
that
say
in
cases
like
yours,
it
is
possible
that
someone
may
go
sit
with
a
supervisor,
because
that's
all
I
can
tell
them
and
I
don't
get
to
set
those
rules
and
that,
like
what
you
have
in
the
summaries
is
as
much
as
we're
allowed
to
give
you
and
I've
got
joel
fussy
from
the
city
attorney's
office.
Who
could
certainly
add
some
commentary
on
to
that
about
the
case
summaries
and
what
we
can
provide
and
we
can't
provide
if
that's
helpful,
joel.
B
Okay,
well
before
the
city
attorney
speaks.
It
is
conceivable
that
before
this
officer's
camera
was
activated,
he
could
very
well
have
done
what
the
complainant
accused
him
of.
So
it's
my
concern
that
all
he's
doing
is
being
coached
on
not
having
his
camera
on
soon
enough.
Q
Q
I
would
like
to
work
with
all
of
you
to
discuss
the
case
summaries
and
see
what
you
can
do
here,
and
I
I
just
I
I
am
having
a
hard
time
with
with
this
interaction,
because
I
don't
know
how
that's
supposed
to
help
this.
I
see
that
director
reed
from
the
civil
rights
department.
B
Q
B
P
Yes,
thank
you
and
I
just
want
to
also
just
speak.
My
concerns
as
well
is
that
if
the
person
didn't
have
the
body
cam
on
before
then
that
there
is
enough
time
for,
like
whatever
the
complainant
said,
that
was
gonna
happen.
Therefore,
I
guess
I'm
concerned
on.
P
We
are
seeing
these
body
cam
violations
that
are
going
to
coaching.
So
what
does
a
body
cam
violation
that
goes
to
discipline,
look
like,
because
what
we're
seeing
is
that
things
that
should
have
been
considered
discipline
if
there's
a
difference
and
I'm
hearing
your
frustration
about
you're,
not
the
ability
to
not
have
this
conversation,
but
this
is
what
you're
here
for
is
to
answer
our
questions
and
I'm
concerned
that,
although
your
presence,
you
believe,
is
helpful,
it's
not
because
we're
not
giving
our
answers
answered.
Q
That's
fine,
if
you
don't
think
it's
helpful
for
me
or
somebody
from
opcr
to
be
here
to
answer
the
questions.
I'm
fine
with
that.
This
is
your
commission.
You
are
an
independent
body.
You
get
to
run
things,
how
you
would
like
to
run
things
I'm
here
to
provide
whatever
context
I
can
provide
to
you,
but
when
you're
asking
me
like
very
specific
questions
about
cases
that
I
can't
disclose,
I
can
definitely
hear
your
concerns.
I
can't
say
anything
in
response.
So
that's
really
difficult
for
me.
Q
So
I'm
in
a
really
tough
spot
here-
and
I
know
that
you
all
appreciate
that
and
you
understand
that,
but,
like
you
know,
I
basically
have
to
sit
here
and
I
can't
say
anything
to
you:
that's
the
law.
I'd
really
like
the
law
to
be
changed,
I'd
love
to
give
you
the
entire
case
file
and
let
you
read
the
whole
thing.
That
would
be
what
I
would
like
to
do
and
if
I
did
that
I
would
violate
the
law.
Q
So
I
can't
do
that,
and
so
I
know
that
you're
frustrated,
I'm
very
sorry
for
that,
but
there
there
really
isn't
much.
I
can
do
here
other
than
say.
Okay,
I
hear
you
talk
to
your
state
legislators
talk
to
the
elected
officials
like
they're,
the
ones
that
can
help
you
with
this.
You
know
even
providing
the
case.
Summaries
was
was
a
stretch
for
for
what
we
could
do.
L
If
I
could
just
like
this
is
frank
reece,
if
I
could
just
step
in
just
for
a
minute,
I
know
I'm
sort
of
stepping
out
of
turn,
but
my
interest
is
in
in
the
furtherance
of
this
discussion,
but
there
is
only
so
much
that
we
can
give
without
violating
the
law.
I
mean.
We've
got
to
be
very
careful
here,
there's
a
line
that
we
can't
cross
and
in
order
to
to
support
what
you
were
all
doing
here
on
every
night
we
meet
to
look
at
these
cases.
L
We
have
to
observe
that
now
the
the
city
attorney
is
here
to
help
define
exactly
what
the
law
is
on
this.
It's
not
something
that
we're
making
up.
It's,
not
something
that
we're
using
as
a
foil
to
to
keep
the
facts
from
you,
but
it
is
something
that
we
do
have
to
observe
and
so
that
law
has
to
be
considered
and
it
has
to
be
followed.
B
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
director.
B
Yeah,
okay,
I
have
lost
track
of
whose
hand
was
up
first,
but
I
believe
it
was
commissioner.
B
E
I'm
also
a
lawyer,
I've
also
reviewed
the
law
and
it
is
possible
to
give
more
information
than
we
are
receiving
today
and,
for
example,
just
simply
asking
what
happened?
Not
names,
not
dates,
not
demographics,
just
simply
asking
what
happened
is
is
totally
inbounds
and
if
something
slips
into
being
private
data,
like
perhaps
a
date
or
a
location,
we
are
allowed
to
view
that
under
open
meeting
law
and
data
practices
and
there's
a
way
to
do
it
so
that
it's
protected
and
that
that
data
is
kept
private
and
not
part
of
the
open
meeting.
E
E
We're
just
simply
asking
questions,
and
one
of
the
questions
is:
is
it
possible
that
something
happened
before
the
body
camera
video
was
turned
on
and
today
we've
learned
that
that
is
true,
that
that
is
possible,
and
should
I
lost
my
train
of
thought,
another
question
I
had
is:
was
the
complainant
investigated
or
excuse
me
interviewed?
Thank
you.
Q
So
joel
fussy
is
here
from
the
city
attorney's
office.
I
don't
even
make
those
decisions,
because
that
isn't
my
call-
and
I
can't
answer
those
questions
because
you're
getting
into
the
details
of
the
case,
and
that
is
not
information.
I
can
provide
you.
I
I
would
feel
more
comfortable
with
joel
answering
that
question,
because
I
don't
get
to
make
that
determination.
I'm
not
a
city
attorney.
I
work
in
the
civil
rights
department.
B
Again,
no,
I
was
just
saying
attorney
fuzzy
that
I
would
appreciate
that
if
you
would
address
commissioner
sarah's
question
sure
and.
A
I
can
start
by
saying
I
again
fully
understand
that
different
agencies
and
different
people
can
come
to
different
conclusions.
I
can
say
that
the
city
attorney's
office
has
examined
and
issued
an
opinion
regarding
the
coaching
issue
that
I
think
you've
all
seen
back
in
september.
I
think
it
might
be
addressed
even
in
a
future
meeting.
A
I
could
also
say
that
the
city
attorney's
office
would
disagree
with
commissioner
sarah's
assertion
that
your
commission
is
able
to
delve
into
whether
it's
in
a
public
meeting
or
a
closed
meeting
the
investigatory
file
that
is
otherwise
classified
as
private.
I
think
I
addressed
this
question
a
couple
months
ago,
but
it's
the
position
of
our
office
and
again
no
one
has
to
concur
with
that.
A
I'm
just
saying
what
the
cons
position
of
our
office
is
and
that's
that
when
the
opcr
was
created
and
the
ordinance
was
drafted,
it
was
done
so
in
an
intentionally
bifurcated
bifurcated
manner
in
which
the
review
panels
would
be
the
investigatory
body
and
your
panel
or
your
commission
would
be
a
policy
review
commission
and
a
policy
advisory
commission
and
not
have
be
charged
with
authority
to
review
private
investigatory
data.
A
Nothing
has
changed
since
that
ordinance
has
been
adopted
and
therefore,
whether
it's
in
a
public
or
a
private
meeting
or
a
closed
meeting,
this
commission
simply
does
not
have
the
authority
to
review
data
that
would
be
classified
as
private.
That
would
include
data
associated
with
a
case
that
was
resolved
by
being
sent
to
coaching.
A
I
know
also
that
the
staff
of
the
opcr
endeavors
very
very
earnestly
to
provide
you
with
as
much
allowable
summary
and
aggregate
information,
I
believe,
is
the
term
that's
used
in
in
the
law
and
the
case
law
regarding
these
individual
cases,
but
not
with
the
intention
to
to
drill
down
into
necessarily
the
outcome
of
the
individual
cases,
but
in
a
intention
and
intentional
proposition
to
allow
the
commission
to
examine
and
look
for
things
on
the
macro
level
in
terms
of
policy
and
policing.
A
I
think
this
is
what
the
former
chair
brown
and
the
former
vice
chair
spoke
of
pretty
eloquently
and
at
length
in
last
month's
training
session,
and
so
those
are
the
opinions.
Those
are
that's
the
position
that
my
the
city
attorney's
office,
that
I
work
for
is
taken
with
regard
to
the
authority
of
your
commission
and
the
data
practices
law,
and
I
think
that
it's
being
very
carefully
followed
and
has
been
verily
care
very
carefully,
followed
by
the
staff.
I
also
as
director
jafar
has
said.
A
I
can
understand
that
people
have
strong
opinions
about
this
and
may
not
agree
with
you
know
the
pronouncements
or
the
opinions
of
the
city
attorney's
office.
I
believe
that
they
have
been
put
forward
forthright
and
honestly
and
that's
where,
and
that
is
the
position
of
the
city
attorney's
office
with
regard
to
these
matters.
Thank
you.
B
If
noah,
if
anyone
has
no
objections,
I'm
just
going
to
leave
my
mic
open,
because
I
just
keep
forgetting
to
turn
it
back.
Okay,
I
believe,
commissioner
mcguire,
you
were
up
next,
forgive
me
if
I'm
mistaken,
but
please.
O
Go
ahead,
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know
what
order,
but
thank
you
I'll
I'll
ask
my
question.
Well,
I
think
one
thing
that's
going
to
be
a
continual
theme
in
the
complaints
is
we're
going
to
see
some
alarming
information
that
doesn't
seem
to
be
addressed,
kind
of
in
the
form
of
discipline
or
later
on,
and
so
I'm
kind
of
interested.
O
Maybe
I
didn't
learn
or
didn't.
I
should
have
asked
us
about
the
process
before,
because
what
we
have
here
is
allegations
of
something
that
happened.
That
is
not
corroborated
by
body-worn
camera
evidence.
Can
you
speak
to
what
happens
in
the
review
when
we
have
like
we?
I
don't
want
to
say
it's
uncorroborated
evidence,
but
basically
something
that's
been
alleged.
That
usually
should
have
been
filmed
and
is
not
filmed,
and
is
there
some
sort
of
weight
given
to
different
testimony
or
different
types
of
evidence
in
the
process?
O
Q
Okay,
I
think
what
I
can
say
is
that
so
we
always
type
for
you
what
the
complainant
says
always
verbatim,
even
if
that's
not
what's
observed
in
the
body
camera.
If
that
makes
sense,
and
in
a
lot
of
cases
you
know,
there's
different
perceptions
of
what
goes
on.
You
know
and
the
truth
is
usually
somewhere
in
the
middle
of
everybody.
Who's
interviewed,
but
the
body
camera
provides
an
objective
lens
with
the
audio
and
the
video.
Q
So
in
some
cases
there
are
there
are
things
observed
in
the
body
camera
that
don't
amount
to
a
policy
violation,
so
the
complainant
says
one
thing
happened,
but
when
you
watch
it,
you
know
from
from
the
vantage
point
of
being
able
to
see
everything,
that's
going
on
that.
That
might
not
be
accurate.
Q
O
Can
I
follow
up
with
one
other
question,
so
if
is
there
a
way
to
investigate
something
that
doesn't
appear
on
the
body
camera
or
is
it?
Are
we
relying
on
body
camera
footage
to
make
a
determination?
No.
Q
There's
a
way
to
investigate
things
that
don't
appear
on
body
camera
and
when
things
that
don't
appear
on
body
camera
that
are
alleged
depending
on
the
k,
it
just
depends
on
the
case.
There
are
definitely
cases
that
go
to
investigation
where
someone
alleges
something
we
can't
see
it
on
body
camera,
for
whatever
reason
it
might
have
been
recorded,
but
we
still
can't
see
it.
Those
are
cases
that
go
forward,
but
right
now,
in
the
vast
majority
of
cases
there
is
at
least
body-worn
camera
of
of
part
or
all
of
the
incident.
N
N
I
understand
it
can
be
frustrating
for
all
of
us
here
in
the
group
to
not
get
the
answers
that
we
want.
But
the
thing
is
is
that
the
person
that
we
have
before
us
who's,
helping
us
follow
up
with
the
case
is
not
able
to
give
us
necessarily
the
answers
that
we
want
and,
as
a
commission,
we
actually
have
the
ability
to
request.
N
Madam
chair,
you
have
the
ability
to
request
a
sit
down
with
the
chief
or
internal
affairs
and
ask
them
what
happens
once
that
body
cam,
that
person
is
coached
and
for
not
having
their
body
cam.
What
happens
after
that?
Does
internal
affairs
come
in?
Does
internal
affairs
question
their
partner
and
ask
their
partner
what
they've
seen
this
internal
course
question?
The
victims,
I
mean,
because
we're
not
going
to
get
answers
about
specific
cases
due
to
data
practices,
but
what
we
can
get
answers
for
is:
how
is
it
supposed
to
go?
N
What
is
the
routine?
What
can
we
change?
What
policies
can
we
implement
that
we
can
request
that
they
push
forward
with
how
to
handle
things
going
forward,
and
I
think
that
that's
where
we
need
to
start,
because
we
want
to
build
relationships
and
get
some
more
transparency
so
that
we
can
make
changes
that
we're
going
to
better
our
communities.
B
C
H
Thank
you
so
much
director
jafar.
Thank
you
so
much
for
being
here.
I
I
guess
I'm
still
learning
this
so
please,
like.
Let
me
know
if
this
is
something
that
that
you
can't
tell
me,
but
a
person
with
a
gun
is
a
pretty
serious
response
for
npd,
and
I
can't
imagine
this
one
officer
who
was
disciplined
was
the
only
officer
that
was
involved
in
this,
which
tells
me
that
there
were
probably
multiple
body
cameras
at
play
here
did
did
the
investigators
at
all
look
at
multiple
body
cameras
when
they
were
investigating
this.
Q
So
in
cases
like
this,
when
there
are
more
than
one
body
camera,
they
watch
all
of
the
body
cameras
and
they
watch
all
the
body
cameras
first
to
get
the
incident
so
once
they
find
the
incident
time
stamp,
then
they
locate
all
of
the
other
officers
body
cameras
and
they
watch
all
the
angles,
because
we
want
to
make
sure
we're.
Looking
at
the
best
angle
of
the
situation.
H
P
Q
Q
E
Q
Q
I
believe,
in
the
summary,
that's
the
way
I'm
reading
it
and
that
that
piece
of
it
that
the
person
complained
about
is
was
actually
viewed
on
the
body
camera.
G
All
right,
yes,
commissioner,
sylvester
asked
my
question
and
I
think
it
was
answered
so
thank
you
director,
but
as
long
as
I've
got
the
floor,
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
you
and
your
staff
for
compiling
these
cases
in
such
fine
shape.
We
appreciate
all
the
effort
and
appreciate
the
transparency
that
we're
getting
so.
Thank
you.
P
Yes,
so
I
just
have
this
is
a
clarifying
question
so
that
it
is
possible
to
do
more
investigation
on
a
complaint
if
it
wasn't
on
the
body
cam.
You
said
that
correct
yes,
okay
and
then
so
in
the
complaint
when
it
says
thrown
to
the
ground
and
the
officer
put
his
knee
into
his
back.
That
sounds
pretty
severe
so
at
what
are
you
able
to
speak
at?
What
point
is
that
not
going
to
investigation
and
just
coaching
like.
B
Q
So
I
think,
madam
chair,
if
you,
if
you
read
before
the
officer,
stands
with
distance
between
themselves
and
the
subject
before
eventually
walking
towards
them.
The
subject
is
then
handcuffed
by
the
officers.
Q
So
my
reading
of
what
has
been
provided
to
you
is
that
they
did
not
observe
a
knee
on
a
back
during
that
interaction,
and
you
know
again,
you're
being
handcuffed.
I
would
imagine
in
a
situation
like
that,
it's
it's
hard
to
know,
what's
happening
to
you,
you're,
probably
feeling
sensations
in
your
body.
It's
difficult
right.
So,
even
though
the
complainant
says
yes,
I
think
this
happened
to
me
upon
watching
the
video
no
use
of
force
was
observed
before
or
during
the
length
of
detention.
Q
Now
the
individual
didn't
complain
about
the
body
camera,
that's
just
something
we
found
and
whenever
we
find
them,
we
make
sure
that
if
they
have
not
had
a
violation
like
that
before
that
they
sit
down
with
a
supervisor
to
understand,
you
need
to
turn
that
body
camera
on
right
away,
even
if
we
see
them
walking
towards
an
incident,
even
if
they're
walking
towards
an
incident-
and
it
looks
like
they-
they
were
already
getting
out
of
the
car
and
it
wasn't
fast
enough.
We
send
them
for
that
10
seconds.
B
E
Sorry,
it's
okay,
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
with
this
particular
case
summary.
I
would
like
to
move
that
this
is
sent
back
for
further
investigation,
either
to
the
chief
or
joint
supervisors
or
whomever,
and
to
ask
about
what
happened
leading
up
to
before
the
apparently
the
body.
Camera
was
engaged.
E
That
might
be
an
interview
with
the
complainant
or
an
interview
with
people
on
the
scene,
whatever.
I
think
it
wasn't
sufficient
in
this
case
and
what
I'm
notes
we're
here
to
observe
patterns
and
practices
and
the
patterns
and
practice
that
I
have
observed
is
that
cages
cases
are
sent
to
coaching.
The
lowest
common
denominator
is
sort
of
sussed
out
of
a
complaint
and
details
aren't
fully
investigated,
and
I
that's
what
I'm
noticing
and
coaching
is
just
used
sort
of
as
a
knee-jerk
reaction.
B
An
accident
right
outside
my
house-
let's,
let's
continue
on
through
this-
I
I'm
sorry.
It
just
completely
took
me
off
guard.
A
Madam
chair,
this
is
attorney
fussy.
If
I
could
address
the
motions
on.
Thank
you.
I
would
advise
the
commission
that
it's
outside
of
the
scope
of
the
commission's
authority
to
direct
the
investigatory
actions
of
the
opcr
or
the
police
department.
B
A
Sorry,
it
would
be
the
advice
of
the
city
attorney
that
it
is
outside
the
scope
of
this
commission's
authority
to
direct
the
investigatory
actions
of
the
opcr
or
the
commission,
and
therefore
I
don't
think
that
commissioner
sarah's
motion
would
be
proper
or
valid.
Q
Okay,
so
this
one
is
a
vehicle
pursuit
case.
This
one
was
sent
to
us
via
the
pursuit
review
committee.
I
think
I've
mentioned
them
before,
but
just
as
a
recap
in
case
any
of
you
don't
remember,
the
minneapolis
police
department
has
a
committee
set
up
of
people
who
review
all
the
pursuits
and
determine
if
things
were
should
be
referred
because
they
resulted
in
a
you
know.
They
either
were
not
a
pursuit
that
should
have
happened
period.
Q
They
result
in
an
accident,
something
like
that,
this
one
so
the
age
of
the
complaint,
so
they
have
their
own
backlog
at
times
of
the
pursuit
review
committee,
and
this
one
got
to
us
outside
of
jurisdiction.
That
being
said,
if
there
are
serious
cases
that
are
outside
our
jurisdiction,
internal
affairs
doesn't
have
that
rule.
So
we
just
sent
refer
the
cases
there.
However,
with
this
one,
you
can
see
that
what
had
happened
was
that
they
got
a
call
about
someone
who
slumped
over
in
a
driver's
seat.
Q
The
officers
approached
the
vehicle
and
pulled
in
front
of
the
vehicle
in
order
to
check
the
welfare
of
the
passenger.
The
squad
vehicle
approaches,
the
other
vehicle
flees,
the
scene,
the
officer
initiated
pursuit,
and
it
was
terminated
so
that
they
just
you
know,
stopped
the
pursuit.
Q
It's
also
noted
the
officer's
body-worn
camera
was
activated
late,
so
the
suspect's
stolen
vehicle
stopped
at
the
side
of
the
road.
The
individual
was
observed,
slumped
over
and
possible,
maybe
having
a
medical
emergency,
the
vehicle
fled
and
then
pursued,
but
then
it
stopped
and
upon
termination,
the
last
known
direction
of
the
travel,
the
suspect
vehicle
was
undated
on
the
radio.
A
big
reason
why
this
wasn't
referred
to
internal
affairs
is
because
the
pursuit
lasted
20
seconds
and
when
it's
older
than
270
days,
there's
just
not
a
lot.
You
can
do
with
it.
Q
At
that
point,
we
do
take
cases
even
if
they're
out
of
jurisdiction,
we
do
have
an
internal
sharepoint.
Folder
of
people
who've
been
like
referred
to
us,
even
if
there
isn't
a
policy
violation
found
if
they're
outside
that
year
period.
Just
so
if
the
person
does
get
in
a
pursuit
or
accident
within
the
year,
you
can
say:
hey,
look.
Here's
a
prior.
Q
B
Q
B
I
wasn't
necessarily
asking
you
to
investigate
this
or
or
include
this
in
anything,
I'm
just
saying
that,
even
even
though
the
k-
oh,
my
god,
you
know
what
you
guys.
I
have
to
get
off
my
phone.
I
I
mean
I
have
to
get
off
this
call.
I
I
apologize
they're
outside
shooting
there.
There
are
I'm
in
danger
and
I
need
to
go.
Thank
you.
I
I
I
apologize
and
vice
chair
abdi.
Could
you
please
take
over
for
the
rest
of
the
meeting.
C
Fights
chair,
if
I
could
interject,
I
will.
F
D
If
I
may
vice
chair
abdi,
just
to
help
fill
time,
I
hope,
chair
jackson
is,
is
safe
and
taken
care
of
herself
and
those
around
her,
but
before
she
left,
she
raised
a
good
point
that
I
think
we
should
focus
on.
The
point
of
this,
of
these
synopses
is
to
intake
information
and
that
in
a
lot
of
ways,
can
be
really
helpful,
even
look
at
what
we
we
did
today
in
our
earlier
part
of
the
meeting
we
in
took
information
from
a
synopsis.
D
Earlier
in
the
year
we
started
asking
questions
we
had
someone
come
and
present
a
little
bit
more
information
and
all
of
a
sudden,
we
find
out
that
it
is
a
frequent
occurrence
that
evidence
has
some
sort
of
administrative
issue.
Hypothetically,
we
can
jump
in
and
say
hey.
Why
don't
we
take
a
closer
look
at
that
from
a
systematic
point
of
view.
If
chair
jackson,
as
I
I
would
agree
with
her
mentioned-
that
there
is
a
trend
of
body-worn
cameras
being
turned
on
too
late
and
yes,
they
go
into
coaching.
D
Coaching
is
a
completely
different
type
of
argument
that
we
are
definitely
in
the
midst
of,
but
focusing
on
the
procedural
aspect
of
this
body-worn
cameras
are
being
turned
on
later
than
what
they
should
in
policy.
We
could
take
a
look
at
that
hypothetically.
If
someone
is
interested
in
that
we
can
have
that
sort
of
momentum,
build
and
look
into
what
is
the
practice
of
body,
worn
cameras,
you
know
what
is
the
ideal.
D
How
often
is
that
ideal
not
being
upheld
and
what
are
some
ways
that
we
can
make
it
easier
for
these
body-worn
cameras
to
be
turned
on
at
the
times
that
they
should
be
turned
on,
if
someone's,
really
interested.
In
that
thing,
I
can
clearly
see
that
there
is
interest
in
that
sort
of
thing,
then,
at
that
sort
of
high
policy
level.
Q
Commissioner,
pino
yeah,
that's
that's
a
great
point
and
I
wanted
to
let
you
know,
there's
actually
already
body
camera
audits
that
are
state
mandated
plus
you
have
a
quality
assurance
unit
that
is
run
by
a
commander
who
is
audit
trained,
and
so
there
are
regular
audits,
running
of
body
camera
use
and
if
that's
something
that's
of
interest
to
you,
you
know,
that's
that's,
certainly
something
they
actually
present
publicly
to
the
city
council.
When
the
audits
are
done
so
you
can,
you
know,
find
a
way
to
get
you
that
information.
Q
I
know
there's
recordings
of
the
previous
audits,
but
that
is
an
issue
that
that
is
both
running
on
the
you
know,
the
city
auditing
side
and
we
assist
in
that
body,
camera
auditing
process
with
art,
but
but
it's
a
bigger
effort
with
more
people
watching
a
lot
of
camera
footage
to
to
screen
for
exactly
that
when
are
cameras
turned
on
and
off,
but
the
quality
assurance
unit
in
mpd
that
has
been
their
really
big
push
is
to
make
sure
that
cameras
are
turned
on.
D
That's
great
to
hear
it's
still
technically
my
time,
if
you
have
the
script
by
now,
commissioner
abdi
I'd
be
happy
to
yield
the
rest
of
my
time.
P
I
do
commissioner
jacobson.
N
N
I
don't
know
if
minneapolis
opted
for
that
specific
software.
I
know
there
were
different
different
contractors
and
different
software
that
they
were
looking
at
based
on
money
and
different
things
like
that,
so
I
don't
know
which
one
the
city
of
minneapolis
went
with,
but
I
could
have
swore
there
was
a
software
out
there
that
automatically
activated
the
cameras
when
they
checked
in
on
the
call.
Q
They
do
have
in
their
squad
car
something
that
when
the
lights
and
sirens
go
on,
that
they
automatically
and
activate
the
mvr,
the
mobile
video
recording
they
did
just
get
new
body
cameras.
So
that's
a
good
question
also.
The
policy
recently
changed
if
you
didn't
see
that
that
they
have
to
turn
it
on
for
every
interaction.
Q
So
the
the
history
of
the
body,
camera
policy
was
that
it
started
with
it
had
exemptions
for
when
to
turn
it
off,
and
then
you
were
allowed
to
turn
it
off.
When
you
were
like
discussing
something
with
your
partner,
which
we
raised
concerns
about
because
we
couldn't
see
things
we
needed
to
in
cases
we
were
bringing
people
in
exactly
like.
You
said
we
were
missing
pieces,
so
we
just
open
cases
and
bring
people
in
the
policy
has
been
changed
again,
not
that
long
ago
for
every
interaction.
Q
So
so
that
changes
things
too.
But
mr
jacobson,
that's
a
good
question,
because
the
latest
software
iteration-
and
you
know
because
we're
all
remote
now
normally
when
they
would
get
the
new
body
camera,
we
would
go
in
for
a
training
right
away
to
see
the
equipment.
But
you
know
we're
not
doing
things
like
that
right
now,
but
that's
certainly
a
question
that
I
can
ask
about
what
capabilities
does
it
have?
I
don't
think
it
has
the
the
automatic,
but
I
do
know
for
mbr
video
that
that
is.
Q
N
I
N
Sorry,
I
also
wanted
to
note,
too
that
I
do
believe
that
there
is
also
a
retention
policy
with
how
long
that
video
will
be
retained
and
how
much
can
go
into
the
cloud.
So
there's
always
someone
who
might
say
the
reason
why
they
activate
it
at
this
time
or
they
don't
activate
it
in
these
cases,
is
because
of
the
retention
and
how
much
storage
the
cloud
would
will
hold.
N
N
You
know,
storage
for
these
videos
so
that
they
can
start
these
videos
as
soon
as
they
get
to
the
call
and
it
can
go
through
the
duration
of
the
call.
We
don't
have
to
worry
about.
Oh
there
being
a
storage
issue
and
it
being
erased,
or
they
can
only
activate
it
at
this
certain
time,
because
they
only
have
this
amount
of
time.
N
N
So
we
have
to
look
at
that
and,
if
that's
something
that
we
want
our
police
department
to
be
better
and
we
want
these
policies
to
change
it
for
our
community
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
things
that
we
need
to
support
our
community.
We
also
have
to
think
about
money,
and
I
know
that's
a
huge
issue
right
now
with
giving
money
to
the
police
department
and
where
they
actually
use
it.
Do
they
put
it
to
good
use.
Does
the
use
benefit,
what
we
need
and
what
we
want.
N
Q
Jacobson
just
to
follow
up,
I
I
think
that
one
concern
from
our
office
when
it
was
great.
You
know
when
body
cameras
were
started.
I
mean
I
started
this
draw
before
there
was
body
camera.
It's
a
big
difference
in
doing
this
type
of
work,
with
the
footage
was
the
storage
space.
We
were
concerned
about
how
little
storage
space
had
been
allocated,
and
I
know
it
was
just
a
start,
but
other
comparable
jurisdictions
have
ended
their
body.
Camera
programs
because
they
have
run
out
of
storage.
Q
Space,
cannot
afford
to
pay
for
storage,
and
then
the
entire
program
goes
away.
So
I
don't
think
that's
the
case
for
minneapolis,
but
it
is
like
it's
one
of
those
things
that
people
just
don't
think
about,
but
it's
extremely
important
to
make
sure
you
have
enough
space,
especially
now
that
there's
gonna
be
a
lot
more
footage
because
they
are
required
to
turn
it
on
for
all
the
interactions
which
is
great,
but
it
has
to
be
supported
too.
D
And
I'll,
just
I'll
add
in
here
from
my
understanding
of
the
intersection
of
body,
body-worn,
camera,
operation
and
funding-
is
that
it's
not
normally
a
holistic
endeavor
in
the
sense
that
you
get
a
funding
for
anything
body.
Camera
related.
It's
often
subdivided
into
the
hardware,
the
software,
the
storage
and
different
qualifications
for
each
of
those
three
different
things.
So
we're
we're
talking
a
very
intricate
aspect
of
policing
instrument
use
really
here,
which
I
think
if
we
wanted
to
commit
an
entire
evening
to
we,
we
probably.
D
P
Okay,
so
is
there
anything
else
that
anybody
would
like
to
mention
about
case
eight,
or
should
we
move
on.
F
P
Okay,
oh
commissioner,.
G
Sorry
about
that
I
was
a
little
late,
but
I
did
have
one
question.
I
noticed
in
the
complaint
field,
the
last
sentence:
it's
noted
that
the
officer's
body,
worn
camera,
was
activated
late
and
I
think
there
are
I've
seen
similar
language
in
the
complaint
fields
and
other
summaries
is
it
in
in
this
particular
summary
number
eight
was
that
was
that
just
noted
by
the
investigation,
or
was
that
part
of
the
original
complaint
it
seems
like
I've
seen
it
go
both
ways
and
we're
not
always
sure.
Q
You
can
bank
on
over
90
percent
of
the
time.
It
is
our
investigators
flagging
that
as
an
issue
and
a
lot
of
times,
the
trend
is
that
it's
a
very,
very
short
amount
of
time.
You're
talking
10
seconds
20
seconds,
but
again
not
acceptable.
We
want
people
to
be
compliant,
so
so
that's
why
it's
flagged
now
with
this
one
with
the
pursuit
review
committee,
they
might
have
mentioned
it.
Q
P
All
else,
no
okay,
can
we
pull
up
case
nine,
so
we
can
go
over
it.
Q
Okay,
let's
see.
Q
Okay,
so
case
number,
nine
it
so
this
one
was
ended
up
being
referred
to
training.
So
in
this
one
the
complaint-
I
I
think
the
overview
sorry
is
not
correct
on
this
one.
I
didn't
catch
that
before
we
sent
it.
So
this
is
a
different
one,
not
a
pursuit
one.
Q
This
actually
had
a
complaint
saying
that
the
complainant
that
they
felt
the
officers
were
inappropriate
in
their
conduct
and
treatment
towards
the
complainant
that
they
was
seeking
support
and
looking
to
speak
with
officers
concerning
personal
fears
of
being
followed
and
harassed
by
others.
This
is
an
emotionally
disturbed
person's
call.
You
may
see
that
phrase
shortened
to
edp
in
a
lot
of
police
reports,
so
this
man
came
into
the
precinct
and
was
emotionally
disturbed
and
then
was
transported
to
hcmc
for
evaluation.
Q
So
on
this
one
you
can
see
that
there's
there's
a
summary
provided
talking
about
the
interaction
between
the
complainant
and
the
officers.
This
complainant
was
convinced
that
they
were
being
followed
and
the
intake
investigator
who
had
viewed
this
one
detailed.
What
was
happening
in
that
interaction?
You
can,
you
can
read
it
in
detail.
The
interaction
did
end
with
medical
personnel
from
hcmc
becoming
involved
in
the
incident,
and
you
can
read
that
as
well.
Q
The
footage
goes
all
the
way
until
the
complainant
is
admitted
to
hcmc,
so
at
the
bottom,
if
we
could
scroll
down
a
little
bit,
you
can
just
see
that
this
incident
was
referred
to
training
for
an
assessment
of
the
interaction
with
the
emotionally
disturbed
person.
So
I
just
want
to
talk
about
a
referral
to
training.
So
generally,
there
are
cases
that
don't
constitute
a
policy
violation,
so
there
won't
be
found
that
there
was
a
policy
violation.
Q
However,
if
it
didn't
rise
to
the
level
of
a
policy
violation,
but
it
might
not
really
be
how
they're
trained
so
you're
talking
about
the
difference
between
a
policy
violation
and
what
is
a
best
practice
right.
So
in
this
one,
and
you
can
see
the
summary
that
the
officer's
interactions
on
the
body
camera
appear
to
be
within
policy.
However,
because
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
officers
were
engaged
in
best
practices
during
the
entire
call
without
a
policy
violation.
Q
You
know
what
are
we
left
with,
because
all
of
the
consequences
that
you
know
about
are
related
to
policy
violations.
That's
the
root
of
the
accountability
system.
Well,
we
built
in
another
mechanism
saying
if
something
doesn't
rise,
the
policy
violation.
Why
don't
we
have
it
referred
to
training
for
an
assessment
of
the
situation
and
see
if
the
person
might
need
to
just
come
back
in
for
more
training
or
talk
with
someone
in
training
about?
Was
this
the
best
way
to
handle
it?
Now,
training
can
come
back
and
tell
us
we
looked
at
it.
Q
We
think
it's
within
you
know
the
training
parameters
and
we
think
it's
fine,
normally
they'll
come
back
to
us
on
a
lot
of
cases,
saying:
okay,
we're
going
to
recommend
that
this
person
goes
through.
This
training
again
goes
through
a
special
training
that
we
set
up
for
them
and
we'll
let
you
know
when
they're
done
and
that's
typically
how
it
goes.
So
it's
another
way
to
address
something
that
might
not
be
a
policy
violation
but
could
be
a
way
to
have
people
just
comply
with
best
practices.
Even
if
it's
not
a
violation.
P
Sorry
that
was
mine.
Any
other
discussion
about
case.
P
G
I
just
wanted
to
thank
the
director
jafar
for
the
additional
information
about
how
we
can
refer
to
training,
to
make
sure
we're
observing
best
practices
if
things
are
not
a
violation,
but
maybe
we
could
do
better.
That
sounds
to
me
like,
in
a
very
appropriate
use
of
training
and
in
some
ways
coaching.
I
know
that
they're
different
terms
in
this
context,
but
I
think
that's
a
good
idea
and
should,
in
theory,
contribute
to
people
following
the
best
practices.
So
thank
you
for
that.
D
Hello,
my
I
actually
have
a
question
more
about
generally
the
the
process
of
pulling
the
cases
I
kind
of
always
just
had
the
given
assumption
that
there
was
a
certain
timeline
or
like
we
don't
go
further
back
than
y
year
when
these
cases
are
selected
and
then
lo
and
behold
you
know
earlier
today
we
were
looking
at
the
end
result
of
a
case
from
2018..
D
So
could
you
one
just
give
us
like
just
a
little
bit
more
detail
of
how
these
cases
go
about
being
picked?
Maybe
just
like
at
the
wonky
level
of
you
know,
like
you
know,
is
it
randomized
in
any
sort
of
way?
Are
we
trying
to
get
like
a
a
solid
distribution
of
certain
things,
but
also,
if
it's
of
interest,
is
it
possible
to
limit
some
of
those
parameters
down
to
like?
Oh
what
about
in
the
last
year
again
just
something
that
I
was
thinking
about
throughout
the
whole
meeting
today.
Q
So,
commissioner,
peanut,
that's
a
good
question.
Remember
that
sometimes,
even
if
we
get
a
case
that
may
say
it's,
you
know
2018
or
something
like
that.
At
the
time
we
opened
it.
It
was
still
within
the
270
days
and
we
just
got
notified
a
long
time
after,
like
not
everyone
files,
a
complaint
right
away.
Some
of
our
complaints
come
in
through
lawsuits.
If
we
get
complaints
through
that
pursuit
review
committee
I
mentioned
they're,
you
know
they
have
a
huge
volume
and
a
small
group
of
people
just
like
us.
Q
Sometimes
it
can
take
a
while
to
get
to
us
so
that
sometimes
can
explain
why
it
looks
so.
It
has
to
be
closed
cases.
There's
a
random
number
generator.
They
generate
the
random
numbers,
pulling
all
the
cases
that
are
open.
It's
just
a
website
that
that's
a
random
number
generator,
and
so
that
is
literally
how
it's
pulled.
You
know
if
you
only
want
to
see
cases
that
were
closed
in
the
last
year.
I'm
sure
that's
you
know
something
we
could
do.
I
would
have
to
check.
Q
I
would
have
to
check
to
make
sure
yeah.
I'm.
Q
No,
no,
it
that
makes
sense.
Just
remember
that,
sometimes
you
know.
Q
Well
and
remember,
even
if
it
was
closed,
if
it
if
it
is
something
that
floated
through
like
the
agreements
arbitration
process,
for
example,
that
could
be
a
much
older
case
that
took
an
additional
year
to
go
through
that,
so
the
date
issue
can
be
tricky
just
because
the
nature
of
things,
but
it's
not
that
we
couldn't
do
that.
You
know
we
could
certainly
look
into
doing
something
like
that.
If
you're
interested
okay.
O
I
have
a
question
and
I'm
sorry
if
we
keep
asking
things
that
you
can't
really
comment
on,
I
just
seeing
that
the
the
complainant
was
put
into
handcuffs
and
placed
into
custody.
It
sounds
like.
Is
there
I
guess?
I
know
you
probably
can't
talk
about
the
specifics
of
this
one.
Is
there
a
review
of
whether
there
was
like
an
unlawful
arrest
made?
Would
that
be
in
the
purview
of
your
review,
and
would
that
be
possibly
would
that
fall
like
if
there
was?
O
Q
But
with
a
good
thing
to
note-
and
you
have
commissioner
sylvester
here-
who
is
probably
more
knowledgeable
about
this
issue
than
I
am,
but
just
from
viewing
a
lot
of
body
camera
when
there
are
emotionally
disturbed
persons
involved,
there
can
be
generally
not
this
case,
but
additional
considerations
that
might
happen
as
to
why
someone
was
restrained
in
a
certain
manner,
depending
on
what
their
conduct
was
before
the
end
of
the
incident.
P
E
Thanks,
I
I
have
I
I
have
some
discussion
on
this.
I
like
everything
that
is
on
the
screen,
I'd
like
to
maybe
add
something.
Specifically.
There
was
a
change
made
to
the
mpd
manual.
E
To
add
that
section,
2-112
on
coaching
to
the
mpd
manual
and
just
for
just
sega
discussion,
section
2-1-1-2
of
the
mpd
manual,
it's
a
brand
new
section
added
december
31st
of
new
year's
eve,
and
it's
called,
I
believe,
complaints,
coaching
and
disciplinary
system
and
it
and
it
kind
of
lays
out
complaint
process,
and
it
specifically
says
that
coaching
is
not
discipline
and
it
kind
of
talks
about
aspects
of
coaching
and
that
wasn't
present
in
the
mpd
manual
leading
up
to
december
31st.
E
However,
we
had
we
had
discussions
in
the
pcoc
about
coaching.
We
have
an
open
research
and
study.
There
was
supposed
to
be
a
city
working
group
that
would
have
you
know
various
people
from
different
city
offices,
including
the
pcoc
at
as
part
of
that
working
group,
to
discuss
coaching
and
like
what
it
is
and
all
that
and
it
I
mean
there
was
no
working
group
and
this
section
was
added.
I
I
But
when
I
was
speaking
to
the
chair
in
preparation
for
tonight's
meeting,
she
asked
that
this
item
be
added
and
we
did
attach
a
fairly
lengthy
memo
to
the
agenda
that
was
submitted
by
the
city
attorney's
office,
and
I
have
been
in
contact
with
mr
fussy
and
others
about
making
sure
that
we
have
at
the
meeting
coming
up
in
april
the
appropriate
representations
from
other
departments
to
speak
to
these
exact
points
on
an
enterprise-wide
definition
of
what
is
coaching,
how
is
coaching
not
actually
disciplined?
It's
not
a
matter
considerative
discipline
for
any
other
department.
I
So
that
begs
the
question:
how
was
it
put
into
the
manual
as
commissioner
sarah
just
alluded
to
for
mpd?
How
was
that
separate
from
other
departments
within
the
enterprise
and
what
made
that
change,
and
so
I
know
that
there
is
a
rather
lengthy
email
or
memo
from
the
city
attorney's
office
that
is
appended
to
this
agenda.
I
That
explains
that
in
some
detail,
in
addition
to
that,
we
have
invited
or
intend
to
invite,
through
this
directive,
the
city
attorney
the
city's
human
resources
officer,
chief,
human
resources
officer
and
the
chief
of
police
to
all
be
present
to
answer
those
questions
and
other
issues
related
to
it,
so
that
we
have
an
enterprise-wide
or,
I
should
say
organizational
definition
of
what
is
coaching,
how
is
coaching
applied
and
used
by
all
departments
consistently?
What
is
the
difference
between
coaching
and
progressive
discipline
and
other
types
of
questions
that
the
commission
may
have?
I
I
know
this
has
been
an
ongoing
concern,
so
in
preparation
for
tonight's
meeting
I
had
hoped
to
have
all
of
that
prepared
so
that
we
could
have
had
that
discussion
tonight,
because
I
was
unsuccessful
in
those
efforts.
My
compromise
in
working
with
chair
jackson
was
to
offer
this
directive
so
that
this
body
felt
there
was
a
a
palpable
action
being
taken
and
it
wasn't
just
a
continuous
discussion
that
cycles
back
around.
So
I'm
sensitive
to
that
idea
that
this
has
been
ongoing
and
has
been
an
issue
raised
at
multiple
points
by
this
body.
I
That
was
our
compromise
was
bringing
forward
this
directive,
so
I
believe
I've.
I've
heard
the
intention
from
commissioner
sarah
is
to
add
in
to
this
that
there
is
an
explanation
needed
for
how
and
when
and
why
section
2-112
to
the
manual
was
incorporated,
and
I
I
think
that's
fine.
I
will
understand
that
as
part
of
motion,
I'm
happy
to
answer
your
questions
but
wanted
to
provide
that
background.
Just
so
all
of
you
had
that
context
as
well.
P
And
is
this?
Do
I
need
a
second.
D
I
The
action
post
here
is
a
directive
directing
the
staff
to
go,
make
the
arrangements
to
bring
back
the
appropriate
personnel
to
the
next
regular
meeting
of
this
body.
The
commission's
next
regular
meeting,
I
believe
and
miss
broad,
please
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
is
april
13th,
and
so
we
would
anticipate
at
that
meeting
having
those
appropriate
personnel
present
to
speak
to
these
issues
and
then
to
answer
any
other
questions.
F
H
P
The
motion
carries
okay
under
new
business,
we'll
take
the
next
steps
in
the
ratification
of
the
subcommittee
memberships
roles
and
meeting
dates.
At
our
february
meeting
we
announce
the
following
membership
roster
for
the
three
subcommittees,
and
here
are
the
subcommittee's
assignment
and
the
chairs
that
we
have
approved.
Can
we
bring
that
button?
The
screen
by.
F
C
E
I
don't
think
I
got
that
information
I
apologize.
I
was
absent
on
february.
Could
someone
just
verbally
state
it.
C
Great
policy
and
procedures
committee
membership
is
commissioner
abdi.
Commissioner,
sarah
and
commission
commissioner
sylvester
the
audit
committee
membership
is
commissioner
crockett.
Commissioner
pino
commissioner
sparks
the
outreach
committee.
Is
commissioner
jackson,
commissioner
jacobson
and
commissioner
mcguire.
D
I
was
just
going
to
ask
I
didn't
I
didn't
hear
chairs,
so
I
I
was
wondering
procedurally,
should
we
wait
for
chair
jackson
to
appoint,
said
chairs,
or
will
we
decide
that,
amongst
our
subcommittees
with
a
quick
election
if
the
chair,
if
the
clerk
could
advise.
I
I
can
speak
to
that,
madam
vice
chair
a
bit
not
with
more
detail.
Unfortunately,
I
understood
that
chair
jackson's
proposal
was
to
bring
forward
not
only
the
memberships
of
the
committee,
but
also
the
chairs
of
each
of
the
operating
committees
and
the
regular
meeting
dates
of
those
committees.
So
it
may
be
that
between
now
and
that
next
meeting
we
would
need
to
to
send
out
that
information
so
that
those
bodies
can
begin
their
scope
of
work.
I
I
was
under
the
under
impression
from
chair
jackson
that
she
had
had
some
conversations
about
with
certain
members
about
leading
the
different
committees,
so
I
don't
have
that
information
myself
personally
and
we
would
need
to
hear
from
her
what
her
intention
was.
Unfortunately,
she
had
to
leave
tonight's
meeting
so.
D
Yeah
and-
and
I
don't
want
to
belabor
the
point-
I've
had
one
of
those
conversations
with
chair
jackson.
She
she
didn't
speak
anything
about
setting
dates
and
precedence,
at
least
for
the
previous
year
in
the
pcoc.
Is
that?
Because
you
know,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
it
works
for
the
members
that
the
members
kind
of
of
each
subcommittee
set
their
own
dates
and
provided
that
information
to
the
clerk
compliant
with
public
meeting
laws?
I
P
C
D
P
Okay,
will
the
clerk
please
call
the
role.
G
G
G
P
Okay,
the
motion
carries
and
the
subcommittee
are
accepted.
Next,
I
will
open
the
floor
for
discussions
about
the
committee
meeting
dates.
I
P
Okay,
so
our
final
item
of
new
business
is
the
selection
of
3k
synopsis
for
summary
for
the
april
meeting,
and
I
will
recognize
mr
hopkins
again
and
ask
that
he
helped
facilitate
the
selection
process
for
the
three
cases
and
that
we
would
like
to
select
to
have
presented
at
the
regular
meeting
in
april.
P
R
Hey
this
is
andrew,
I
think,
for
the
selection
process.
I
believe
that
is
lisa
might
be
helping
record
all
this
stuff.
Now.
P
I
And,
of
course,
as
I
understand
it,
is
the
preference
of
this
body
to
identify
up
to
three
cases
from
this
list.
The
list
was
included
with
the
agenda
when
it
was
distributed.
So,
madam
vice
chair,
it's
just
a
member,
a
matter
of
soliciting
from
members
which
of
the
three
cases
received
the
majority
support
from
the
body.
R
P
Did
everybody
already
go
through
the
synopsis
and
we're
ready
to
make
a
selection?
Would
it
be
helpful
if
you
put
it
in
the
chat,
or
should
we
just
verbalize
it.
I
I
But
these
are
the
cases
and
then,
if
we
need
to
go
through
and
call
individual
members
and
they
can
identify
their
top
three,
we
just
need
a
mechanism.
I'm
sorry
that
we
don't
have
a
better
process
worked
out
for
soliciting
input
from
all
the
memberships.
We
have
a
slew
of
them
in
front
of
us
and
we
need
to
pick.
I
D
I
just
I
I'm
looking
for
clarity
here.
Are
we
selecting
our
preferences
now?
Are
we
asking
for
people
to
elaborate
on
these.
G
I
D
P
P
I
Sarah
and
commissioner
abdi
have
all
indicated
their
preferences,
not
sure
which
commissioner,
I'm
missing,
noting
that
chair
jackson
is
absent.
P
P
Okay
and
clerk,
if
you
have
all
the
kind
of
numbers,
can
we
wrap
up.
I
K
F
C
G
H
P
E
P
Good
thank
you
for
letting
us
know
that
anyone
else
okay
well,
then
seeing
with
no
further
business.
The
meeting
is
adjourned.