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From YouTube: April 24, 2021 Capital Long Range Improvements Committee
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B
All
right
good
morning,
my
name
is
jeffrey
strand,
I'm
the
chair
of
the
capital,
long
range
improvements
committee.
Before
we
begin
I'd
like
to
note
that
this
meeting
includes
the
remote
participation
of
members
as
authorized
under
minnesota
statute,
section
13d
.021,
due
to
the
declared
local
health
pandemic.
B
A
Dorbjorn
adam
present
jocelyn
beard.
C
A
C
A
Katie
jones
matt
kozinka.
D
A
Dan
mcconnell
dan
miller
present
george
montague.
A
President
todd
schumann
here
eric
juan
president
vice
chair,
willie
bridges,.
B
E
B
A
With
that,
we
have
20
members
present.
B
B
Before
we
begin
the
capital
budget,
request,
review
and
question
and
answer
sessions,
we
would,
I
would
like
to
ask
for
a
motion
to
approve
the
agenda
and
accept
the
minutes
and
the
with
the
maker
and
the
second
or
please
state
your
name
for
the
clerk.
H
I
J
K
D
D
D
A
Hi
beth
toso.
E
A
A
I
eric
juan
hi
bye,
sir
willie
bridges
in
here
chair
jeff,
strand
hi,
that
is
20
eyes.
B
Thank
you
the
next,
so
the
agenda
is
approved
and
the
minutes
were
accepted.
Now
we
have
20
minutes
for
open
discussion
and
questions,
and
I'd
like
to
just
before
we
get
into
too
many
other
questions
just
address
the
staff.
B
So
having
been
in
a
another
organization
team
meeting
for
racial
equity
impact
tool
where
we
had
35
people,
breakout
sessions
didn't
work
for
that
either
thursday,
and
I
just
wonder
if
there
are
any
contingency
plans
versus
what
was
suggested
is
the
need
to
meet
again
so
could
staff
think
about
anything
that
would
be
compliant
with
open
meetings
and
the
city
clerk
requirement
so
that
you
know
one
group
stays
on?
L
B
L
Justin
I
can
address
your.
I
can
address
your
first
question
for
the
breakup
rooms.
The
reason
we
sent
out
a
new
meeting
invite
was
so
that
I
would
have
access
as
owner
of
the
meeting
to
set
those
up.
Last
time
we
relied
on
another
member
of
the
finance
team
we
sent
out
the
original
meeting.
I
do
have
access
to
the
breakout
room
feature
and
I
am
able
to
assign
members
right
now
to
the
breakout
room.
E
B
I
want
to
thank
task
force
chairs
eric
and
john
for
being
prepared
and
I
had
been
scheduled
to
be
out
due
to
another
meeting,
but
that
meeting
was
rescheduled
to
sunday
afternoon
and
I
know
that
eric
had
prepared
a
statement.
So
eric
perhaps
you'd
want
to
just
read
the
statement
you
had
prepared
in
anticipation
of
of
having
to
leave
the
morning.
M
M
Okay,
the
statement
that
I
had
was
to
was
to
remind
the
public
works
department
that
they
owed
us
something
out
of
the
the
comment
section
last
year.
So
this
is
a
statement
I
was
adding
before
beginning
with
the
individual
presentations
by
the
department
of
public
works.
B
G
No,
I
don't
think
so
I
mean
I
I
I
you
know
this
is
our.
I
would
just
share
with
everybody
that
this
is
our
chance
to
dig
in
and
really
ask
questions
and
don't
be
shy
about
that.
You
know
be
polite
and
but
you
know,
be
direct
and
and
try
to
dig
in
and
get
the
answers
that
we
need,
because
this
is
a
huge
part
of
the
input
that
we
get
to
come
up
with
our
individual
ratings
and
our
group
rankings
and
all
the
rest
of
it.
B
All
right,
thank
you
and
then,
as
noted
and
as
sent
by
email,
the
advanced
questions
we
all
have.
The
word
document
sent
to
us.
B
Email,
okay,
perhaps
robert
could
put
those
up
for
display.
O
Jeff
yeah
give
us
give
us
just
a
second
to
to
circulate
those.
We
received
a
pretty
short
list
of
questions
in
advance
of
the
meeting
and
that's
what
that's
what
jeff's,
referring
to
here,
they're
broken
out
by
the
different
subject
areas,
and
so
they
should
track
pretty.
Well,
maybe
they're
not
ordered
correctly,
but
they
should
track
pretty
well
with
the
different
sections
that
we
have
up
on
the
screen
here.
G
Maybe
some
people
from
last
year
can
help
me
remember,
but
my
recollection
from
last
year
at
least
my
sense
of
it
was
that
some
of
the
departments
used
too
much
of
the
time
to
present
and
didn't
allow
enough
time
for
us
to
ask
questions.
You
know
this
is
a
different
format
for
those
of
you
that
are
newer.
When
we
do
this
live
and
in
person
it's
all
one
big
day
and
they
present,
and
we
ask
questions
now:
it's
broken
up.
L
P
Eric
yeah
hi
yeah,
this
is
scott
engel.
I
have
a
question.
Last
year
we
as
a
group
well
eric
referred
to
this
earlier.
He
he
was
able
to
get
that
comment
approved
by
the
click
into
the
the
the
report
last
year
and
I'm
curious.
I
did
not
notice
any
of
the
the
responses
in
the
cbrs.
B
B
Can
you
address
the
point
now
or
can
you
have
some
administrator
get
back
to
us.
B
G
So
I'll
just
address
what
scott
just
said:
that
that
sorry,
people
are
raising
their
hands
I'll,
raise
my
hand.
M
Okay,
my
question
is
jeff
there.
M
There
is
the
perennial
question
about
the
department
heads
doing
outreach
into
the
communities
to
find
out
what
public
the
public
view
is
of
of
capital
investments
by
the
time
that
they
come
to
us
it's
too
late
in
the
process,
as
we
all
know,
so
I
think
that's
a
question
that
should
always
be
put
in
front
of
the
department
of
just
what
have
you
been
doing
to
reach
out
to
your
publics
to
to
understand
what
the
priorities
of
the
community
may
look
like,
and
I
don't
know
when
that
question
is
asked
or
when
that
statement
is.
B
B
G
And
then
yeah
so
to
scott's
concern
about
comments
being
responded
to
in
cbrs.
I
would
say
it
kind
of
depends
on
the
comment
right,
there's
no
place
in
the
cbr
for
them
to
have
a
dialogue
with
us.
So
if
a
comment
address
something,
that's
a
specific
item
in
a
cbr,
then
sure
that's
probably
a
place
where
you
should
expect
it.
I
think
to
the
ex.
G
Now,
whether
that's
happening
in
the
videos
this
year,
I'm
not
sure,
but
certainly
our
q-
a
is
a
good
time
to
follow
up.
If
we,
if
we
feel
like
we
haven't,
heard
it's
been
an
ongoing
problem
for
many
years.
It's
not
it's
quite
as
simple
as
fixing
it
unless
you
can
control
other
people.
But
we
have
made
comments
about
this
in
past
reports,
and
the
mayor
has
acknowledged
that
you
know
we
need
a
better
fee.
We've
told
him.
We
need
to
feed
better
feedback
loop
and
he's
acknowledged
that.
B
Thank
you,
john.
We
have
steve
brandt
and
katie
jones
and
then
amelia
robert.
N
I
would
like
to
follow
up
on
sean's
point,
even
though
there's
no
place
in
the
cbr
to
respond
to
the
previous
year's
comment.
N
That's
certainly
appropriate
to
be
responded
to
in
the
oral
presentation,
and
I
will
note
for
the
record
that
when
we
reviewed
the
guidelines
after
last
year's
process
in
a
subcommittee,
I
propose
penalizing
departments
for
not
responding
to
comments
by
a
modest
amount.
That
did
not
find
support
within
the
group.
But
there
is
that
option
that
remains.
J
Q
Yeah,
so
this
is
kind
of
along
the
same
lines,
around
comments
and
being
responded
to,
and
so
I
had
been
under
the
impression
that
you
know
over
the
last
couple
of
years
when
we've
had
public
open
meetings
and
people
have
come
to
us
with
sidewalk
gaps
or
repaving,
the
greenway
or
the
north
side.
Q
Greenway
we
created
comments,
and
then
we
thought
that
though
it
was
because
of
those
comments
that
the
next
year
we
had
projects
and
come
to
us
in
the
cip
or
as
cbrs,
and
I
actually
learned
that
it
was
kind
of
a
different
process
that
those
came
through.
It
was
actually
through
the
basical
advisory
committee
and
the
pedestrian
advisory
committee.
Really,
the
connection
was
through
the
the
the
public
works
staff
who
was
hearing
from
those
committees.
That's
why
those
got
moved
forward
and
maybe
ours
was
had
an
influence
there.
Q
But
I
guess
it's
kind
of
more
of
my
point
is
the
that
staff?
I
guess
part
of
the
process
is
the
staff
can
and
should
be
kind
of
the
liaison
for
our
and
kind
of
our
champions
for
what
we're
working
on
and
so
especially
seeing
that
we
have
new
staff
supporting
this
this
body,
you
know
what
can
staff
do
to
make
sure
like?
Q
I
know
you
don't
have
authority
over
the
public
works
departments
or
any
of
these
other
departments,
but
being
able
to
follow
up
with
them
to
to
get
responses
to
our
comments,
so
that
we
can
also
feel
effective.
R
So
I
was
just
I
raised
my
hand
initially
just
to
say
I've
me
and
my
staff
have
had
the
opportunity
to
be
in
several
meetings
this
week
with
public
works
and
council
members,
and
I
know
they
do
do
an
really
an
extensive
amount
of
outreach
to
communities
and
they
are
developing
it
sort
of
on
the
front
side.
That
is
not
really
that
visible
to
us.
So
I
think
today
is
a
great
opportunity
for
you
guys
to
ask
them
those
questions.
R
So
you
can
hear
that
process
because
I
know
they
do
do
quite
a
bit
of
of
outreach
and
engagement
in
the
neighborhoods
that
they
have
projects
in.
So
I
I
would
encourage
you
guys
to
ask
those
questions
and
then
and
then
the
other
thing
I
would
say,
katie
to
your
questions.
R
I
think
that
our
role
as
staff,
my
role
as
budget
director
and
as
a
budget
office
really
is
to
one
of
the
most
important
things
is
for
us
to
not
have
our
fingers
on
the
scale
as
it
is,
is
to
run
a
fair
process
where
we
are
providing
good
advice.
We
are
elevating
good
analysis
and
making
sure
decision
makers
know
what
their
choices
are
and
what
the
options
are.
R
But
what
I
will
say
is
that
I
think
what
we
can
do
is
make
changes
to
the
process
based
on
your
feedback
and
based
on
maybe
some
kind
of
reflections
or
step
back.
I
think
that
last
year,
maybe
there
was
one
of
those
or
there
were
plans
to
but
th
this
issue
that
you
and
that
scott
have
have
brought
up
about.
How
do
we
close
that
feedback
loop?
I
think
that
we
can
think
about
how
we
want
to
modify
our
overall
click
process
sort
of
the
click
cycle.
R
To
add
a
step
to
address
that,
and
I'd
be
happy
to
talk
about
that.
So.
B
Thank
you
amelia,
and
then
we
had
robert
and
then
go
back
to
scott
and
eric.
O
P
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
respond
to
katie.
I
think
you
are
correct
that
perhaps
we
didn't
have
as
much
influence,
though
I
have
to
disagree
on
the
sidewalk
gap
program.
M
Another
thank
you
to
scott
scott.
You
you
just
created
value
for
what
I
I
we're
doing.
Thank
you
very
much
so
my
suggestion
as
a
possibility,
is
to
put
a
new
section,
not
a
large
one,
but
perhaps
just
a
table
with
anything
that
any
task
that
we
want
to
give
to
the
to
the
staffs
and
deadlines.
M
For
example,
if
we're
asking
for
an
inventory,
we
in
a
table
just
state
click,
request
an
inventory
of
of
all
water
mains
by
october
1st
and
then
create
a
table
with
two
blank
spots,
one
one
one,
blank
column
being
report
delivered
and
the
last
one
being
a
report
reviewed
by
click.
So
so
you
know
call
it
out
just
be
right
there,
and
if
the
click
report
comes
back
next
year
and
it's
still
blank,
then
we
have
something
tangible
and
visible
to
call
them
on.
B
Thank
you
eric
yeah,
so
we're
getting
close
to
our
start
time.
8
29.,
so
we'll
just
have
to
be
mindful
of
one
another.
Make
sure
that
we
give
an
opportunity
for
all
the
members
voices
to
be
heard,
raise
hands
we'll
try
to
avoid
talking
over
one
another
and
perhaps
for
the
interest
of
efficiency,
give
the
public
work
staff
five
minutes,
maybe
to
heal
up
things
and
then
get
into
our
questions,
as
was
noted
by
john
earlier.
They
shouldn't
take
too
much
of
this
time
for
re-presenting
what
they've
presented
on
the
videos.
O
Queue,
robert
yeah,
sorry
jeff.
This
is
robert.
You
know
we're
still,
I
think,
we're
still
inviting
folks
into
the
meeting
or
sorry
invitations
are
out,
but
I
think
folks
are
just
jumping
into
the
meeting
right
now.
So
if,
if
folks
are
okay
with
just
a
little
bit
of
a
quiet
time
on
the
air
as
staff
to
start
joining
okay
time
to
refill.
O
O
M
Justin
during
this
quiet
time,
a
question
you
just
sent
out
an
email
at
803
is
that's
going
to
be.
The
final
is
that
going
to
be
the
final
spreadsheet,
the
ranking
form
that
we're
going
to
be
using.
L
O
This
is
robert
again,
I
do
want
to
say
you
know
to
the
extent
the
team
is
on
the
call
and
actually
able
to
to
hear
I
don't
know
if
they're
still
getting
organized,
but
we
do
have
director
hager
with
us
from
transportation,
planning
and
programming,
and
I
see
a
few
staff
for
jumping
in
as
well.
In
case
you
missed
the
the
earlier
announcement,
I
think
we're
just
taking
a
pause
before
jumping
into
the
the
q
a
session.
O
B
S
Sorry,
I
did,
I
certainly
did
not
receive
it
on
the
first
round.
If
that
was
in
fact
sent
out,
I
did
receive
the
follow-up
that
was
just
that
was
just
sent.
So
I
have
a
question
about
that.
Is
there
actually
an
issue
with
these
email
lists,
or
it
seems
like
a
couple?
Other
people
didn't
receive
that
either,
so
maybe
that
just
never
went
out.
L
Rich,
this
is
justin,
I
believe
the
first
email
may
have
went
to
just
the
chair
and
or
executive
committee,
and
then
it
also
got
sent
to
staff.
So
the
email
that
went
to
all
click
numbers
that
you
received
was
the
first
email
that
went
to
all
members.
O
Steve
this
is
robert
folks.
I
have
to
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong-
I
probably
am,
but
I
believe
the
bulk
of
them
had
been
submitted
on
on
friday
of
last
week,
not
this
past
week,
but
the
week
prior,
okay.
N
I
would
have
liked
to
have
scrutinized
the
actual
cbrs,
but
I
was
not
able
to
get
through
all
that
and
I
wondered
if
other
people
had
difficulty
doing
the
sort
of
prep
for
today
that
they
would
like
to
do
with
a
week
in
advance.
N
S
S
I
don't
feel
completely
prepared
to
ask
detailed
questions
about
you,
know
the
majority
of
of
of
what
we
saw
so
so
at
least
one
session
of
being
able
to
connect
with
people
who
may
have
more
experience
and
ideas
about
what
we've
seen
before
we
do.
The
actual
q,
a.
T
O
Steve
thanks:
this
is
robert.
Until
jeff
strand
is
back
on
it,
I
just
want
to
recognize.
We
have.
We
have
a
hand
raise
yes,.
U
Yeah
this
is
beth.
I
just
wanted
to
concur
with
the
timing.
I
wasn't
sure
if
this
was
typical
to
have
such
a
short
time
to
review
this
amount
of
material,
and
so
I
don't
know
if
this
is
typical,
but
it,
but
it
is
a
a
lot
of
material,
especially
going
through
the
first
time,
and
I
was
able
to
make
make
it
through
the
videos
but
yeah.
U
I
was
not
able
to
delve
into
the
all
of
the
print
out
or
not
printouts,
but
the
the
cbrs
cprs
in
as
much
detail
as
I
would
have
liked
to
during
that
short
time.
N
G
John,
I
would,
as
somebody
who's
been
on
the
committee
for
a
long
time.
I'd
just
make
a
couple,
a
couple
observations
all
of
the
city
staff,
with
the
exception
of
one
person
brand
new
to
the
process
this
year,
as
are
a
lot
of
our
members.
This
year
did
not
go
the
way
a
normal
year
goes.
You
know,
between
covid
and
doing
this
virtually
and
the
fact
that
we
had
that
amount
of
turnover.
G
Normally
the
cbrs
are
submitted
earlier
than
they
were
this
year,
so
we
get
them
earlier.
It's
still
a
bit
of
a
time
crunch,
but
it
should
have
been
a
couple
of
weeks
more
than
it
was
this
year.
There's
no
question
about
it.
I
think
also
all
of
you
will
find
it.
There's
no
excuse
for
that
way.
That
needs
to
get
fixed
going
forward,
but
to
be
fair,
I
think
we
need
to
give
some
grace
to
the
staff
because
they're
all
new
to
this
as
well.
I
think
also
what
you'll
find
going
forward.
B
B
So
we
have
robert
and
amelia.
O
Yeah,
so
this
is,
this
is
robert.
You
know
pending
amelia's
comment,
if
we're,
if
we
still
have
some
discussion
that
we
need
to
have
around
this
for
the
good
of
the
order,
I
think
that
makes
sense.
I
did
want
to
just
jump
in
and
say
pending
pending
amelia's
comment.
I
think
we
can
start
to
jump
into
some
of
the
the
q
a
here
and
I'm
prepared
to.
O
If
click
members
don't
have
any
additional
comments,
just
kind
of
start
in
on
some
of
the
written
questions
to
start
things
off,
but
I
do.
R
Great,
thank
you
robert.
I
was
just
gonna
say
a
week
is
certainly
a
tight
turnaround
and
on
our
side
we
were
also
trying
to
adjust
with
demands.
We
were
putting
on
all
the
city
staff
submitting
cbrs,
I
think
next
year.
R
It
makes
sense
to
take
a
look
at
the
calendar
given
given
the
way
we've
done
it
and
just
thinking
about
how
we
might
do
it
next
year
in
the
past,
when
we
have
done
these
in
person
in
a
room
with
with
staff
presenting
the
homework
beforehand
was
much
less,
and
so,
if
we
are
going
back
to
a
situation
where
that
is
the
norm,
then
maybe
it
works
to
have
it
in
late
april.
R
But
if
we're,
if
we
want
to
make
more
space,
I
think
it's
a
great
idea
to
have
some
time
together
for
new
click,
members
and
old
click
members.
Then
maybe
we
want
to
think
about
adjusting
the
calendar.
I
think
it
all
just
depends
on
what
kind
of
meetings.
What
meetings
look
like
in
2022
also.
O
Okay,
I
am,
I
can
jump
in
before
jumping
in
I'll
say
that
yeah
reading
long
blocks
of
technical
text
is
probably
not
more
forte,
so
apologies.
If
I,
if
I
get
any
of
this
wrong,
I
do
want
to
also
say
you
know,
or
perhaps
echo
some
of
the
comments
from
earlier
and
that,
if
presenters
want
to,
I
think
make
opening
remarks
or
generally
you
know,
say,
hi
and
welcome
and
and
reorient
click.
I
think
that's
entirely
okay.
Otherwise
we
do
have
the
ability
to
to
wade
into
q.
O
A
at
this
point,
please
just
flag
me
or
staff
if,
if
you
do
want
to
just
take
a
break
and
make
some
general
comments,
otherwise
we
will
just
jump
in.
O
I
do
know
that
we
have
some
members
of
the
transportation
planning
and
programming
team
on
the
call
and
hearing
no
objections
so
far.
I
think
we're
ready
to
jump
in
on
some
of
these
written
comments
and
open
up
the
floor
to
click
members
as
well
to
raise
any
questions
or
make
any
comments
that
they
deem
appropriate
at
this
time.
O
So
without
further
ado
I'll
jump
into
the
comments
we
have
up
on
the
screen,
the
questions
that
we've
received
so
far,
we
do
have
one
larger
overview,
question
comment
and
a
series
of
questions
I
would
say-
and
so
I
can-
I
can
read
through
this
and
then
turn
the
turn
this
over
to
the
transportation
planning
and
programming
team
to
respond
and
the
the
question
reads
as
follows:
public
works
uses
the
terms
bike
projects
and
bike
programs
and
discussing
the
number
of
miles
and
dollars
to
be
spent.
O
What
is
the
distinction
between
those
terms
definitionally
for
the
good
of
the
group
I'm
going
to
read
through
this
whole
thing,
and
then
I
can.
I
can
work
back
through
if
it,
if
it's
necessary
to
work
through
each
of
these
individual
questions.
As
part
of
this
comment,
the
pie
chart
for
pci
labels,
the
very
good
category
twice
at
28
percent
in
one
wedge
and
29
in
another
wedge,
there's
no
figure
given
for
the
good
category
which
figure
is
for
good
and
which
is
for
very
good.
O
If
the
city
doesn't
keep
its
annual
pci
rating
up
to
date,
how
does
it
know
if
it
is
gaining
or
losing
ground
on
street
conditions,
could
actual
pci
ratings
or
ranges
where
they
vary
within
a
project
be
supplied
for
each
proposed
reconstruction
project,
as
they
were
when
I
started
on
click?
This
is
an
individual
member
making
a
comment
so
that
we
can
gauge
which
of
various
competing
roadway
reconstructions
have
the
worst
conditions.
O
W
Thanks
robert,
I
think
before
we
respond,
we're
just
going
to
do
a
quick
round
of
introductions,
so
the
click
members
know
who's
on
the
call
today.
So
my
name
is
mike
samuelson.
I
am
a
transportation
planner
with
public
works
with
the
transportation
planning
and
programming
division
and
I'll
pass
it
over
to
my
colleague
liz.
X
Y
W
Great
and
so
now
that
we've
done
our
introductions,
I
think
we'll
just
go
sequentially
through
the
questions
and
if
there
are
follow-ups,
certainly
click
numbers,
please
feel
free
to
jump
in
and
ask
those.
So
the
first
question
was
about
bikeway
delivery
and
bike
projects.
First,
bike
programs.
W
W
Are
programmed
specific
amounts
of
money
every
year
and
then
within
those
programs
we
have
individual
projects.
So
the
best
example
of
this
is
our
our
big
28
protected
bikeways
program,
which
typically
receives
a
million
dollars
of
local
funds
every
year
and
then
within
that
million
dollars.
Sometimes
that
will
be
spent
on
a
single
project.
Sometimes
it
will
be
broken
up
into
multiple
projects
and
so
that
that
million
dollars
is
kind
of
refreshed
every
year
and
we
see
sort
of
different
projects
cycle
in
and
out.
W
We
also
have
our
standalone
bikeway
projects,
so
a
good
example
of
that
is
the
queen
avenue
bike
boulevard
project
which
is
being
built
this
year
in
2021,
so
not
part
of
the
of
the
the
budget,
the
the
cbrs
that
were
submitted
to
click
because
it's
already
been
funded.
So
that's
a
longer
project.
It
also
received
some
outside
federal
funding
and
just
doesn't
neatly
fit
into
any
of
our
existing
programs,
and
so
because
of
that
it's
got
its
own
cvr
and
it's
it's
standalone,
it's
just
kind
of
a
one-time
funding.
W
So
that's
the
second
way
of
delivering
bike
ride
projects.
The
third
way
is
through
our
street
reconstruction
projects,
so
as
part
of
our
street
reconstructions,
we
look
at
our
policy
goals
and
determine
if
there
is
a
a
need
based
on
policy
and
based
on
our
engagement
to
construct
a
bikeway.
So
a
good
example
of
that
is
is
the
hennepin
downtown
project,
which
has
been
under
construction
for
a
little
while
now
moving
to
phase
two
this
year.
W
So
as
part
of
that
overall
street
reconstruction,
where
we
are
replacing,
you
know,
pavement
traffic
lights,
pedestrian
infrastructure,
we're
also
building
a
bikeway
as
well.
So
those
are
the
the
three
types
of
I
guess:
delivery
mechanisms
that
were
called
out
in
that
presentation
and
hopefully
kind
of
talk
through
what
the
differences
are
and
how
those
are
delivered.
X
Yes,
thanks
mike,
so
on
the
question
about
the
pie
chart,
it
looks
like
on
that
one
that
was
just
a
labeling
error
and
that
the
graph
should
show
28
for
very
good
and
29
for
good.
The
the
more
substantial
question
I
think
is
about
data
collection
within
the
city
for
our
pavement,
so
pavement
condition
index.
It
says
you
know
shown
historically,
but
no
recent
than
2017..
X
That
was
the
first
time
the
city
used
an
automated
data
collection
process
so
took
a
van
strapped
it
up
with
all
kinds
of
cool
stuff,
ran
it
around
the
city
and
took
every
street
center
line,
pavement
condition
for
the
whole
city
every
block,
and
that
year
we
actually
did
every
block.
In
past
years
before
we
started
this
new
process,
we
had
actually
collected
data
approximately
every
four
years
for
like
each
kind
of
quadrant
of
the
city.
X
So
in
our
opinion
it
kind
of
like
evens
out
if
we
have
the
whole
city
in
one
year
versus
a
rotating
by
hand,
approach
every
four
years.
I'll
say
right
now
we're
doing
the
internal
work
at
the
staff
level
to
figure
out
the
scope
and
extent
of
how
we'll
be
doing
that
data
collection
this
next
time.
Looking
at
doing
that,
work
in
2022,
I
believe,
is
the
is
the
goal
at
this
point.
X
J
Z
No
follow
up
there.
I
can
head
into
the.
Z
Q
Thanks
this
is
related,
also
kind
of
jumping
off
of
a
comment
we
had
made
last
year.
Does
the
city
is
the
city
planning
on
creating
a
metric
for
pavement
conditions
for
non-street
modes?
So
I'm
thinking
bike
paths
as
well
as
sidewalks.
X
X
We're
working
to
try
and
figure
out
when
that
data
collection
would
take
place
if
it
makes
sense
for
the
types
of
companies
that
collect
data
on
streets
talking
to
a
lot
of
them
to
see
what
their
capabilities
are
for
trail
and
sidewalk
data
collection,
as
you
can
imagine,
those
facilities
are
much
smaller
and
more
difficult
to
collect
data
on
so
we're
trying
to
figure
out
the
best
way
to
do
that
with
a
mix
of
our
internal
forces.
E
N
I
wanted
to
check
then,
as
the
author
of
most
of
these
questions,
whether
the
2022
timing
means
that
you're
switching
to
a
five-year
cycle
of
collection
of
data
and
whether
that'll
be
permanent
or
whether
this
is
somehow
just
related
to
covid
and
then.
Secondly,
will
the
trail
collection
data
be
only
for
city
trails,
or
will
you
try
to
integrate
park
trails
in
so
that
we
have
a
comprehensive
set
of
data
knowing
that
they're
a
separate
unit
of
government.
X
Sure
so
our
focus
is
on
city
trails
for
our
work.
Regarding
the
first
question,
it's
a
mix
of
both,
so
some
of
it
is
trying
to
figure
out.
You
know
how
good
our
data
is
from
this
first
round
of
data
collection,
and
you
know
what
it
means
to
go
out
and
check
the
streets,
as
they
kind
of
you
know,
deteriorate
a
small
bit
year
by
year
for
pavement
condition.
X
The
goal
is
four
years
that
that
remains
to
be
it,
but
given
the
last
challenging
year
in
terms
of
staffing
and
covert
related
changes
to
the
way
we
work,
you
know
it's.
It's
happening
that
it's
going
to
be
five
years,
so
goal
remains
the
four
years,
but
we're
we're
looking
into
it
about
how
we're
going
to
continue
on
moving
forward.
W
And
one
thing
just
to
add
liz
is
one
of
the
things
that
city
staff
we're
looking
at
is
collecting
this
data
more
on
a
rolling
process.
So
in
the
past
we
collected
all
the
data
at
once
and
there
were
some
issues
from
the
vendor
with
being
able
to
process
that
much
data
and
getting
it
to
city
staff.
So
there
was
a
lot
of
lag
time.
W
F
M
Okay,
sorry
about
that,
this
question
for
mike
mike
you
mentioned
queen
avenue
a
little
earlier
and
my
question
is:
it's
been
a
number
of
years
since
the
public
had
even
heard
that
something
was
being
done
before
implementing
anything,
it's
useful
to
remind
the
public
that
something's
happening
on
their
street.
We
had
a
a
greenway
problem
a
couple
of
years
ago,
more
because
it
was
a
surprise
than
because
of
the
merits
of
the
project.
M
W
Thanks
eric,
we
did
do
some
engagement
on
that
project
in
2019
and
early
2020,
so
that
included,
visiting
neighborhood
associations
holding
open
houses.
We
attended
did
some
tabling
at
recreation
centers
near
queen
avenue.
We
also
sent
out
mailings
to
addresses
on
queen
avenue
and
on
adjacent
streets,
so
there
has
been
communication
in
you
know
in
the
past
couple
years,
as
we
moved
to
layout
approval,
which
happened
last
spring,
we
did
a
particularly
you
know,
big
push
that
was
during
covid.
W
So
it's
understandable
that
you
know
folks
attention
might
have
been
elsewhere
so
that
you
know
the
timing
was
difficult
there
and
we
did
have
some
schedule
constraints
just
because
of
the
federal
funding
on
that
project
kind
of
dictates
timeline.
So
you
know
all
of
all.
That's
you
know
with
cova,
not
necessarily
ideal,
but
there
was.
There
was
quite
a
bit
of
engagement
that
was
done
on
that
project
and
as
construction
starts,
we
anticipate
you
know
a
new
round
of
providing
information
to
the
public.
C
Thank
you.
I'm
sorry.
If
I'm
going
ahead
of
someone
else,
my
comment
and
thank
you
eric
for
bringing
that
up.
My
comment
would
be
that
posting
something
might
be
might
be
beneficial.
C
So
I
notice
that,
because
I
live
in
south
or
I
live
in
north
minneapolis,
but
work
in
south
minneapolis,
but
there's
a
lot
of
post
postings
like
on
on
light
polls
telling
them
that
there's
this
project
and
if
they
want
to
give
feedback
or
anything,
there's
literal
postings,
just
all
down
all
down
lindale
and
then
I
think,
there's
something
that
must
be
happening
on
brian
and
there's
postings,
that
this
is
happening
on
bryant,
saying
that
you're
talking
to
the
neighborhood
association
great
but,
as
eric
said,
the
neighborhood
association
isn't
functioning
at
this
point.
C
So
just
simple
postage,
which
I
I'm
sure
it
has
a
cost
to
it,
would
be
beneficial
and
would
feel
it
to
someone
that
is
going
across
town
would
feel
more
equitable.
That
there's
some
signage,
that
I
can
just
see
that
you
don't
have
to
come
and
talk
to
me,
but
that
I
could,
if
I
want
to
engage
further,
I
can
go
to
whatever
website
or
information
is
posted
on
that
sign.
Thank
you.
X
Absolutely
I'm
the
project
manager
for
both
of
those
projects
or
the
the
combination
of
projects
on
brian
and
lindale.
Those
signs
are
a
first
time
thing
for
us
during
coven,
so
we
worked
with
our
operations
staff
to
figure
out
how
we
could
deploy
those
so
really
glad
that
they're
working
and
they're
catching
people's
eye.
We
do
intend
to
continue
to
move
forward
with
that
strategy,
because
we
have
found
that
they're
a
very
easy
way
to
make
sure
people
are
aware
of
the
project.
X
So
we
agree
with
you
and
we'll
be
continuing
to
do
that.
Moving
forward.
P
P
P
AA
X
Thanks
for
that
question
scott,
so
we
do
have
a
set
of
data
for
our
ramps.
So
a
couple
things
about
that.
We
started
that
in
2012.,
there's
been
changing
guidelines,
you
know
for
the
ada
over
the
years
about
what
makes
an
ada
ramp.
You
know
up
to
standard
and
we
we're
continuing
to
collect
the
data
at
each
of
these
locations
to
figure
out
the
best
way.
To
do
that.
X
A
lot
of
these
we
know
have
to
be
re-inventoried,
based
on
new
guidelines
to
confirm
whether
the
ramps
have
appropriate
slopes
and
if
they
remain
on
the
list
that
needs
to
be
replaced.
We
we
do
understand
that
that
is,
you
know.
The
30
years
is
a
long
time
and
our
ada
and
transition
plan
has
some
strategies
included
around
that
of
how
the
city
is
moving
forward
with
that
issue,
we
do
anticipate
that
there
it
would
take
approximately
20
to
30
years.
X
That's
correct
and
cost
approximately
400
million
dollars
to
to
take
care
of
every
single
ramp
in
the
city.
I'll
know
I'll
note
that
pb
104
the
ada
transition.
E
X
Excuse
me,
the
ada
ramp
program
is
only
one
way
that
the
city
upgrades
ramps.
We
also
do
those
through
our
reconstruction
projects
with
some
of
our
small
spot
projects,
and
then
we
work
with
our
yeah.
You
know
partners
and
partners
in
the
private
sector
to
ensure
that
when
developments
come
through,
they
would
be
reconstructing
any
ramps
that
they
would
be
touching
as
well.
So
a
lot
a
lot
on
that
to
the
point
about
the
cvr
being
out
of
date,
I'll
have
to
I'll
write
a
note.
X
P
So
back
to
the
15
000
does
public
works
know
out
of
the
15
000
ramps
like
how
many
need
to
be
upgraded?
X
Y
Scott,
I'm
going
to
jump
in
here,
yeah
liz,
scott.
Thank
you
for
the
question.
We
did
a
full
self
inventory
in
the
2012
2013
time
frame.
We
hit
all
those
corners.
We
sent
staff
out.
They
used
a
new
app
that
the
city
developed
to
collect
that
data,
that
all
that
data
is
available
to
us.
Y
The
the
challenge,
scott
is
that
since
then,
we
have
found
out
that
some
of
the
data
that
was
collected
wasn't
as
good
as
it
needed
to
be
for
us,
and
so,
while
we
do
have
a
good
handle
from
a
kind
of
a
high
level
picture
of
of
the
condition
of
those
ramps,
we
do
know
that
we
need
to
go
back
and
take
a
look
at
some
of
them
and
get
better
data
and
more
refined
data
for
things
like
the
the
slopes
on
the
panels
approaching
the
ramp
itself
and
the
soap
behind
the
ramp.
Y
So
so
so
we
generally
know
the
condition
of
those
ramps.
We
know
that
we
are
needing
to
go
back
and
check
on
some
of
that.
Fine-Grained
data
and
we've
been
working
to
improve
our
collection
process
so
that
the
next
time
we
go
out
and
look
at
those
that
we
are
able
to
ensure
that
that
data
quality.
So
so
I
would
say
it's
a
yes
no
answer
to
your
question.
P
So
just
the
last
point
on
this
is
that
we
were
told
last
year
during
the
cbr
sort
of
some
of
this,
that
maybe
some
of
the
data
wasn't
completely
up
to
speed
and
that
there
was
going
to
be
a
pilot
program
last
summer
to
reassess
did
that
take
place
and
how
close
will
like
when
in
like
2025
or
2030,
will
you
have
a
complete
data
set
and
then
only
then
will
you
know
when
you
can
actually
meet
the
ada
law?
Isn't
that
correct.
Y
So
we
have
an
estimate
on
how
long
it's
going
to
take
us
to
get
through
our
ramps.
I
think
liz
already
stated
that,
based
on
the
ada
transition
plan,
that's
in
there
with
our
current
programming
models,
20
to
20
to
30
years
and
400
million
dollars,
but
scott
to
answer
your
question.
We
did
do
the
pilot
last
summer.
Staff
are
still
pulling
that
data
in
and
evaluating
that
data,
so
that
I'm
not
ready
to
report
on
the
pilot
itself
with
you.
Yet.
Y
But
staff
are
working
on
gathering
that
information
so
that
we
can
determine
what
worked
well,
what
didn't
work?
Well,
they
tried
a
couple:
different
methods
of
data
collection
and
they're
they're,
looking
at
how
to
improve
the
data
collection
of
our
ramps
as
well
scott,
but
also
taking
a
look
at
what's
called
foreign
transition
plan
and
taking
a
look
at
how
we
gather
the
data
on
the
sidewalks
themselves.
So
those
stretches
in
between
the
ramps,
where
we
know
that
we
generally
have
an
idea
of
where
sidewalks
are
how
wide
they
are.
Y
But
we
don't
necessarily
know
what
obstructions
are
within
those
sidewalks
and
what
the
cross
slopes
of
those
sidewalks
are,
and
so
we're
working
to
develop
a
process
where
we
can
go
get
that
data
as
well,
which
we
know
is
is
is
data
that
we
need
to
have
and
is
called
for
in
the
ada
transition
plan.
So
we
did
do
that
pilot
work
lesson
or
like
we
said
what.
AB
AB
We
were
talking
about
counts
and
one
count
that
I'm
familiar
with
that
I
participate
in
is
the
annual
bike
count,
and
you
know
the
last
last
year
was
reduced
to
basically
public
works
projects
that
were
going
to
be
worked
upon,
so
it
was
kind
of
condensed
down
and
the
program
works
through
volunteers,
and
I
know
that
they
always
get
the
volunteers
to
participate.
AB
So
I'm
concerned
that
that
we
are
not
using
that
as
fully
as
we
can
we've
also
seen,
or
I've
also
noted
that
in
2016
the
accounts
have
not
been
recorded
on
the
bike
count
and
or
2017..
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
you
aware
of
that,
and
I'd
like
to
just
ask
if
you
could
see
what
you
could
do
to
expand
the
count
this
year
beyond
specific
public
works
projects
in
motion.
There's
a
lot
of
things
that
I
think
ongoing
records
are.
AB
Could
be
very
helpful
and
just
seeing
the
success
in
different
bikeways
and
pathways.
Thank
you.
W
Thanks
dan
I'll
share
a
little
bit
and
others
may
be
able
to
jump
in
and
provide
a
little
bit
more
context.
So
last
year
in
particular,
you
know,
I
think,
with
covid
and
changes
in
transportation
patterns.
W
I
think
all
the
all
the
counts
we
took
not
just
related
to
people,
biking
walking,
but
just
all
transportation
related
accounts
are
kind
of
being
taken
with
a
little
bit
of
a
grain
of
salt,
because
it's
such
a
such
a
different
different
scenario
than
you
know:
quote-unquote
normal
and
frankly,
we
don't
know
what
what
normal
we'll
return
to.
W
There's
a
lot
of
discussion
about
how
transportation
patterns
may
change,
but
in
terms
of
counts,
you
know
we
do
have
the
the
annual
process
that
you
talked
about
we're
also
working
with
a
third-party
vendor
to
do
general
intersection
accounts
across
the
city,
24-hour
accounts
that
capture
not
just
bikes
and
peds,
but
but
vehicles
and
freight.
You
know
freight
and
versus
private
vehicles.
Things
like
that,
so
we'll
have
a
little
bit
more
data
than
we
typically
would.
W
So
we
started
that
I
believe
in
2019,
where
we
focused
on
kind
of
parts
of
south
minneapolis
and
doing
these
24-hour
counts.
And
so
that's
provided
us
with
a
really
robust
data
set
and
we're
looking
to
kind
of
move
forward.
With,
with
with
that
and
making
a
lot
of
these
processes
automated.
Rather
than
having
to
rely
on
volunteers
and
staff.
B
We'll
go
to
here.
J
AC
Thank
you
thanks.
Sorry,
I
had
to
find
the
unmute
button.
I
have
a
question
about
pv74
the
cooperative
project
cdr.
If
is
there
a
way
to
find
out
like
what
the
details
of
each
project
and
the
city's
involvement
with
them
would
be
specifically
around
the
d
line.
X
Yes
great
question,
so
I'm
just
pulling
this
up
right
now
so,
specifically
across
the
on
the
d
line,
the
best
place
to
find
information
for
that
is
metric
transit's
website.
So
they
are
the
lead
on
all
these
abrt
projects:
arterial,
bus,
rapid
transit
that
folks
can
see
listed
on
the
pb074
cooperatives
project
map
in
terms
of
city
involvement.
We
work
very
closely
with
metro
transit
on
this,
so
we
have
a
staff
member
in
our
division
who
meets
with
people
regularly.
X
We
help
get
the
word
out
to
you
know:
stakeholders
in
the
area.
We
work
with
the
console
office
to
make
sure
that
they're
up
to
speed,
so
you
know
work
with
our
traffic
people
to
make
sure
that
we
figure
out
what
traffic
signal
is
upgrading
and
and
what
kind
of
opportunities
the
city
could
participate
in
to
help
support
the
development
of
that
line.
X
Y
Can
I
just
jump
in
there
liz
and
just
offer,
maybe
a
little
more
specific
detail
for
the
d-line.
For
example,
metro
transit
will
plan
to
have
stations
on
two
kind
of
key
corners
of
an
intersection
for
their
particular
for
their
particular
transit
service
right
and
that's
where
we
have
an
opportunity
to
come
in
and
we
will
often
fund
the
upgrades
to
the
opposite
corners
so
that
one
we
can
make
sure
every
corner.
Y
That
intersection
is
up
to
snuff
in
terms
of
ada
design,
and
we
can
ensure
that
there's,
you
know
clear,
safe,
accessible
bus
stations
around
that
entire
intersection
and
if
we're
our
safety
data
shows
that,
for
example,
we
might
also
call
for
like
a
bump
out
in
order
to
further
improve
that
intersection.
So
those
are
the
types
of
things
when
we
are
participating
locally
that
we're
looking
for
in
the
types
of
locations
that
we're
looking
at.
If
that's
helpful,.
J
M
Okay,
all
right,
I'm
gonna
circle.
Back
a
little
in
in
last
year's
click
report.
There
was
a
a
general
question
asked
of
public
works
regarding
and
I'll
read.
A
quick
recommends
that
the
department
of
public
works
develops
in
collaboration
with
city
residents,
a
30-year
infrastructure
replacement
plan
that
recognizes
changing
requirements,
investment
strategies,
environmental
climate
goals
and
emerging
technologies.
M
Have
you
begun
working
on
that
by
creating
that
inventory,
so
that
we
know
what's
in
the
queue
and
in
in
partic,
particularly
because
we
know
that
the
federal
government's
thinking
about
a
huge
infusion
of
infrastructure
funds
of
the
next
couple
of
months?
Do
you
have
a
list
of
those
shovel
ready
projects
and
I'm
thinking
about
scott's
projects
in
particular?
Those
are
those
are
if
you've
got
1500,
there's
a
great
set
of
shovel
ready
projects
to
go
for
federal
funding
and
the
my
second
part
of
my
question.
M
The
second
part
of
my
question
is:
what
are
your
practices
right
now
in
engaging
minority
firms
using
that
equity
lens
on
getting
this
work
done
this
infrastructure
work
done
across
the
city?
Are
you
actively,
outreaching
and
and
bringing
in
minority
firms.
Y
Thanks
for
that,
those
questions
eric
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna
try
to
work
through
those,
and,
if
I
forget
something
please
let
me
know
so
your
first
question
about
kind
of
an
asset
plan.
As
we
talked
about
at
the
beginning
of
our
conversation
today,
the
city
does
keep
current
pavement
condition,
data
and
other
asset
data
that
we
use
in
our
programming
efforts.
That's
a
very
important
data
source
for
us.
Y
We
also
are
tracking
our
safety
safety
data,
that's
important
for
us
as
well,
if
you're
familiar
with
our
20-year
streets
funding
plan.
That
is
the
process
by
which
we
run
all
of
our
data
through
and
it
creates
a
list
of
project
suggestions
for
us.
It
balances
how
we
look
at
projects
against
asset
condition,
information
and
equity
criteria.
So,
when
we
engaged
with
the
community,
we
heard
that
equity
to
them
meant
you
know,
modal
equity.
How
are
we
planning
our
systems?
Y
Y
Our
traffic
folks
are
also
keeping
close
data
for
all
of
their
systems.
Traffic
signals
signs
striping.
All
of
that,
so
we
have
that
data
available
to
us.
We
use
that
regularly.
We
also
just
completed
our
10-year
transportation
action
plan,
which
has
a
whole
host
of
very
specific
strategies
and
actions
for
us
on
how
we're
going
to
invest
in
our
infrastructure
over
the
next
10
years.
Y
Some
of
those
actions
are
things
that
we're
going
to
do
when
they're
labeled,
as
do
actions
and
some
of
those
actions
are
things
we're
going
to
support
because
they're
things
that
our
partner
agencies
are,
are
they
own
and
we
participate
in.
So
I
think
we
do
have
that
plan
in
place.
There's
also
other
planning
documents.
We've
got
our
vision,
zero
action
plan.
We've
got
our
88
transition
plan
in
place.
Y
M
And
katie
we
have
the
last
question
regarding
engaging
marginalized
minority
groups
and
contracting.
Yes,.
Y
E
Y
You
for
that,
yes,
public
works,
does
actively
work
very
hard
to
ensure
that
we
are
engaging
with
minority
firms
and
women-owned
businesses,
so
we
have
a
a
process
where
we've
got
some
of
those
firms
already
pre-identified
where
we
can
quickly
contract
with
them.
We
also
work
closely
with
our
procurement
department
in
the
tr
in
the
tmp.
What
does
tnp
stand
for
team
anybody
target
more
target
target
market
program.
Y
Thank
you
it's
saturday
morning,
so
it
wasn't
at
the
tip
of
my
time
the
target
market
program,
where
we
often
can
also
get
to
a
lot
of
those
firms,
not
through
our
typical
engineering
consultant
pool,
but
these
firms
that
are
available
in
our
target
market
program
for
us
to
work
with
the
publishers
is
also
doing
a
lot
more
of
direct
engagement
with
organizations
embedded
within
the
community
to
help
us
with
engagement
and
extend
our
reach
our
engagement
reach
into
the
community.
Y
X
And
I
just
want
to
put
in
a
plug
for
the
target
market
program.
It
is
a
place
where
we
turn
to
a
lot
to
look
for
you
know
smaller
locally
owned
firms.
If
you
know,
people
who
you
think
would
fit
or
be
able
to,
you
know,
take
a
request
for
proposal,
whether
that
be
for
engagement
or
design,
work
or
or
any
of
those
things
we're
really
looking
for
a
diverse
set
of
groups
in
that
program.
X
I've
heard
from
our
procurement
that
it's
fairly
easy
to
sign
up
for,
and
you
know
I
I've
never
signed
up.
So
I'm
not
100
sure
what
the
process
is.
But
if
you
know
people
and
they
have
questions,
give
them
our
email
give
them
my
email
address.
We
are
working
very
hard
to
try
and
expand
the
reach
of
that
program
and
get
people
into
the
fold
that
may
not
know
about
it.
G
Thanks
jeff
so
good
morning,
everybody
thank
you
city
staff
for
joining
us
for
a
half
day,
even
on
a
35
degree
spring
morning.
I'm
sure
there's
things
you'd
rather
be
doing
than
this.
So
we
appreciate
your
presence
and
your
efforts.
I
have
two
project
specific
questions.
These
are
on
the
two
alleypathing
project
for
anybody
following
along.
This
is
pb006,
which
is
the
reconstruction
in
pv63,
which
is
unpaved
alleys.
G
Those
have
as
for
as
long
as
I
can
remember,
been
consistently
funded
at
the
same
level
every
year,
and
I
noticed
that
it
appears
that
they've
been
suspended
for
22
2022
through
20
20
24..
So
I
was
just
looking
for
some
color
on
that.
W
So
as
public
works
has
been
going
through
the
cip
process
this
year
and
working
with
finance
to
establish
what
our
bond
targets
are.
One
of
the
things
that
that
we
established
with
finance
was
that
last
year's
budget,
which
was
passed
in
december,
or
rather
this
year's
budget,
which
was
passed
in
december.
W
The
bond
targets
didn't
match
the
the
overall
bond
capabilities
of
the
city,
and
so
essentially,
we
had
56
million
dollars
of
additional
bonds
in
last
year's
budget,
which
weren't
consistent
with
the
city-wide
bond
targets,
and
so
now
that
this
year's
budget,
the
cip,
that
we're
working
on
now,
is
trying
to
bring
in
to
alignment,
public,
works's
spending
levels
and
overall
city
bond
targets,
and
so
we're
looking
to
essentially
kind
of
make
up
for
that
56
million
difference
over
several
years,
and
so,
as
part
of
that
you
know,
we
had
to
make
adjustments
to
funding
levels
across
all
of
our
program
types.
W
So
we
looked
at
our
reconstruction
projects.
We
looked
at
our
paving
programs,
including
the
alley
programs.
We
looked
at
our
bike.
Bed
programs.
We
looked
at
our
traffic
programs,
we
looked
at
our
bridge
programs.
We
made
some
adjustments
to
funding
for
all
of
those
and
so
with
what
we're
submitting
to
click.
That
does
include
the
suspension
of
those
alley
programs
for
several
years
now.
It's
important
to
note
that
you
know
the
alley.
W
Programs
are
are
very
important
and
that
we
we
understand
that
you
know
they're,
something
that
that
residents
really
value
and
an
important
service
that
the
city
provides,
but
just
as
we're
looking
to
make
up
for
that
that
difference
in
fund
levels
between
what
we
showed
last
year
and
what
we
have
this
year.
We
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
prioritized
a
few
things.
So
the
first
is
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
didn't
jeopardize
outside
funding
so
particularly
federal
and
state
grants.
W
So
we
have
a
number
of
projects
that
are
in
motion
right
now.
The
hennepin
avenue
reconstruction
project,
the
dowling
avenue
north
project
37th
avenue
northeast,
which
all
have
outside
funding,
and
we
didn't
want
to
jeopardize
those
projects
by
rather
jeopardize
that
funding
by
moving
those
projects
around.
W
We
also
wanted
to
try
and
be
both
consistent
with
the
goals
in
the
transportation
action
plan
and
be
consistent
with
preserving
assets
kind
of
across
across
the
city,
and
so
you
know,
as
we
work
through
these,
these
different
different
goals.
We
made
sort
of
adjustments
to
funding
across
the
board
and
and
allies
were
some
of
the
things
that
are
currently
proposed
to
not
be
part
of
the
next
few
years.
But
as
I
mentioned,
you
know
we.
W
We
recognize
that
we,
you
know,
allies
are
a
very
important
server
or
service
or
asset
that
the
city
has
and
we're.
Looking
for
ways.
You
know
to
make
sure
that
we
maintain
those
assets.
G
W
N
I'd
like
to
get
back
to
the
list
of
pre-submitted
questions,
I
have
three
more
overview,
questions
and
seven
project
specific,
and
I
appreciate
the
staff's
answers
to
the
earlier
questions.
They
were
very
on
point.
N
I
find
those
very
helpful
in
gauging
competing
roadway
construction
reconstructions,
but
I
didn't
see
them
in
this
year's
report
or
this
year's
cbrs
I
should
say:
could
we
get
those
for
the
projects
that
are
submitted.
Z
All
right,
so
this
is
a
trading
journal
with
a
census
complaint
in
public
works.
So
I
can
take
this
question
and,
as
jenny
noted
and
as
was
noted
too,
we
primarily
use
our
20-year
state
funding
plan
with
the
context
around
payment
and
asset
condition,
combined
with
equity
and
some
of
our
other
quality
of
analysis
around
when
it's
the
right
time
to
actually
do
the
project,
not
only
payment
condition,
and
so
that's
how
we
kind
of
pick
these
projects
that
that
best
fit
for
whatever
year
in
the
cip.
Z
In
addition
to
that
pavement,
information,
pci
is
not
the
only
signifier
of
a
road
condition.
There's
also
the
year
was
constructed
the
maintenance
that
occurred
on
the
street.
It
sent
its
construction
as
well
as
some
of
the
sub-grade
information
that
we
gained
from
our
core
samples
and
so
to
provide
that
information
here.
For
you
all,
your
review
would
only
give
you
a
very
subset
of
the
information
that
you
would
need
to
actually
prioritize
with
which
are
in
better
condition
than
others,
and
so
that's
well.
Z
I'm
not
exactly
sure
why
we
provided
it
when
you
started
click,
but
I
would
assume
that
that's
the
rationale
that
we
we
no
longer
are
providing
that
information.
N
Sorry
to
interrupt,
but
I
understand
that
you
use
many
factors,
I'm
talking
about
the
factors
that
the
factor
that's
most
important
in
my
mind
as
a
clique
member,
when
you
propose
more
projects
than
there's
funding
for
in
a
particular
year.
This
is
the
first
factor
I
look
at
and
it's
valuable
to
me.
N
W
So
when
that
ordinance
was
passed,
that
the
20th
streets
funding
program
additional
funding,
it
kind
of
set
up
two
two
types
of-
I
guess
two
types
of
ways:
we
look
at
our
money,
so
there
was
what
was
referred
to
in
the
ordinance
as
the
current
city
general
fund,
and
then
there
was
the
additional
money
which
was
21.2
million
dollars,
plus
inflation
for
the
next
20
years,
and
so
the
the
21.2
million
plus
inflation,
the
additional
money
that
is
being
programmed
towards
paving
projects.
W
So
our
reconstruction,
our
resurfacing,
our
concrete
rehabilitation,
our
cooperative
projects,
so
that
money
is
being
being
programmed.
You
know,
as
as
the
ordinance
calls
for,
I
think,
what's
what's
maybe
changed
this
year,
is
the
the
strain
on
that
base
funding
both
from
other
public
works
projects
and
also
from
other
projects
that
aren't
public
works
where
there
are
bond
funding
needs
across
the
city
enterprise.
W
N
X
I
guess
I
don't
have
the
exact
data
for
me
for
like
that
you're
asking
about
in
the
vision
zero.
But
you
know
I'll
say
that,
with
with
our
with
our
data
records,
we
we.
E
X
Want
to
bring
down
you
know
the
the
amount
of
of
counts
to
adjust
for,
for
that
type
of
of
look
mike
or
or
jenny.
Do
you
have
any
follow-up
on
that
one?
I
know
we
look
at
our
safety
data,
so
it's
consistent
across
across
all
the
streets,
so
we
can
evaluate
it
in
the
best
way
possible
that
we
have
with
the
data
that
we
have
available
to
us.
W
Yeah,
so
I
just
want
to
clarify
steve.
The
question
is:
if
the
crash
data
is
a
rate
based
on
the
overall
traffic
volume
or
if
it's
just
the
total
number
of
crashes,
is
that
right,
correct,
correct,
okay,
yeah,
my
understanding
I'd
have
to
verify
this
to
be
100
certain
is
that
we
just
look
at
the
total
number
of
crashes
and
then,
if
we
look
at
traffic
volumes
and
try
to
develop
crash
rates,
you
might
have
streets
that
have
really
low
volumes
flag.
W
You
have
a
really
low
volume
street
that,
for
some
reason,
you
know
also
has
a
couple
crashes.
It
might
look
like
it's.
It's
a
very
dangerous
street.
Where
you
know
a
block
over,
you
might
have
a
street
with
many
more
total
crashes
that
just
has
higher
traffic
volumes.
So
you
know
my
understanding
is
that
we
look
at
the
total
number
of
crashes
as
the
primary
factor.
A
B
So
I
think
we
need
to
move
to
another
questioner,
steve
if
you
don't
mind
and
we'll
try
to
get
back
to
those
pre-advanced
questions.
So
in
fairness,
I
want
to
ask
if
james
brown,
who
has
had
his
hand
raised,
I
believe,
is
a
first-time
question.
Ask
her
and
so
I'd
like
to
have
give
james
the
opportunity
and
then
we'll
go
to
the
queue
which
is
then
katie,
scott
dan,
robert
and
myself.
I
put
myself
in
queue.
B
J
B
B
Oh
thanks
so
then
katie,
scott
and
dan.
Q
Yes,
so
I
have
two
main
questions.
Q
The
first
is
that
I'm
so
excited
about
the
transportation
action
plan
that
public
works
and
the
city
have
put
together
so
kudos
to
that
and
recognizing
the
the
big
the
vehicle
miles,
travels
reduction
goals
in
that
I'm
curious
if
level
of
service
as
a
metric
is
being
used,
because
I
I
know
that
there
there
can
be
some
some
issues
with
that
and
that
just
kind
of
harkens
back
to
the
conversation
around
metrics
gathering
and
this
curious
in
some
ways,
if
there's
still
utility
in
in
collecting
throughput
our
volume
numbers.
Q
Given
that
we
have
you
know,
that's
that's
based
on
past
information,
where
we
have
a
vision
of
going
somewhere
else
in
the
future.
So
that's
kind
of
the
first
question
and
then
the
second
one.
Given
the
transportation
action
plan,
will
public
works
only
put
forth
project
designs
that
are
consistent
with
that
plan
going
forward.
Y
Thanks
for
the
question
katie,
we
are
also
very
excited
about
the
transportation
action
plan.
So
thanks
for
that,
if
you've
looked
through
the
plan
in
detail
which
it
sounds
like
you
have,
you
will
note
in
there
that
we
do
have
an
action
that
calls
for
us
to
to
not
use
level
of
service
as
a
key
metric
in
our
work.
Y
But
that
is
nuanced
and
talks
a
little
bit
about
how
sometimes
we
do
still
need
to
use
that
as
a
metric
when
we
are
working
with
some
of
our
partner
agencies
and
when
some
of
the
funding
that
we
might
be
securing
some
outside
funding
requires
us
to
use
that
metric
in
order
to
retain
that
funding.
So
wherever
possible,
we
are
encouraging
our
partner
agencies
to
also
go
away
from
using
straight
level
of
service
as
a
as
a
metric
in
design
and
moving
more
towards
person
throughput
than
vehicle
throughput.
Y
So
that's
one
reason
we
still
continue
to
collect
those
traffic
volumes
is
that
that
is
a
way
for
us
to
convert
from
vehicle
throughput
to
person
throughput
as
we
do
our
designs
when
it
comes
to
designing
our
streets
to
follow
the
transportation
action
plan,
the
companion
street
design
guide
and
our
other
policy
documents.
Yes,
that
is
those
are
policies
and
the
city
is
working
and
ensuring
that
our
work
is
informed
by
those.
P
Yeah,
I
have
a
question
about
swk002
sidewalk
caps.
First,
I'm
going
to
note
once
again,
I
think
the
cbr
is
quite
out
of
date.
It's
referring
back
to
the
2009
pedestrian
master
plan
and
it
refers
to
108
miles
of
sidewalk
gaps
and
from
that
plan.
So
I'm
assuming
in
the
last
12
years
that
a
lot
of
those
miles
of
sidewalk
apps
have
been
filled.
Hopefully,
my
other
point
is
that
it
looks
like
this
program
is
being
put
on
pause
for
the
next
three
years
unfunded.
P
Pedestrians
are
supposed
to
be
the
top
priority
and
I
feel
like
this
is
an
ada
issue,
and
the
last
point
is
that
this
program
is
one
of
the
smallest
in
the
c.
In
the
click
report,
it's
only
150
000
historically
per
year,
and
so
I
think
this
is
a.
P
W
Thanks
scott,
so,
first
of
all,
thank
you
for
those
comments
on
the
written
cpr
and
similar
to
the
comments
on
pb
104,
the
ada
ramp
program,
we'll
have
to
go
back
in
and
look
at
some
of
the
items
that
you
called
out
and
make
sure
that
those
are
up
to
date.
As
far
as
the
funding
levels
for
the
sidewalk
gap
program,
you
are
correct
that
for
the
next
few
years
you
know
similar
to
what
we
discussed
with
allies,
that
this
is
a
program.
That's
not
currently
planning
to
be
funded.
W
Last
year,
we
actually
had
increased
the
funding
for
this
program
from
150
to
300
000,
just
recognizing
that
the
costs
have
increased,
and
in
the
past
we've
seen
we
had
issues
with
underfunding
the
program
and
what
that
meant
for
sort
of
our
ability
to
plan
out
over
multiple
years,
and
so
we
we
were
looking
at
putting
this
at
300
000
a
year
and
that's
what
we
showed
in
last
year's
budget,
so
just
a
slight
difference
there.
W
As
far
as
you
know,
the
priority
level
and
sort
of
the
decision
made
to
to
cut
funds
for
this
program
over
the
next
few
years.
You
know
it's
obviously
a
very
difficult
decision.
The
city
has
a
lot
of
you
know:
goals
around
improving
pedestrian
access.
W
The
sidewalk
app,
certainly
not
the
only
program
that
we
have
that
improves
pedestrian
access
and
just
as
we're
looking
to
make
up
for
that
that
shortfall
and
to
have
cuts
across
across
our
cip
program,
the
sidewalk
gap
was
one
way
that
we
look
to
make
up
that
that
difference
in
funding.
You
know
a
lot
of
our
other
bike.
W
Ped
programs
have
some
kind
of
outside
funding
available,
and
so
again
we
didn't
want
to
jeopardize
jeopardize
that
outside
funding,
which
increases
our
ability
to
build
new
infrastructure
with
the
city
with
that
said,
I
understand
your
frustration
and
you
know
this
is
certainly
as
as
we
move
forward
we're
looking
for
ways
to
you
know
to
hopefully
to
backfill
some
of
the
funding
for
not
just
the
sidewalk
app
program,
but
but
the
other
programs
that
have
had
their
funding
level
affected.
B
AB
Thank
you.
This
is
a
question
regarding
pb001
parkway,
paving
program.
If
you
can
put
the
map
up
on
that
on
the
screen
for
everybody,
I
think
everybody
that
travels
on
theater
worth
parkway
is
very
excited
about
what
happened
last
year
in
2021
to
see
the
repaving
between
26th
and
golden
valley,
road
and
around
the
theater
worth
lodge,
and
also
the
extension
of
funding
which
wasn't
on
there,
but
was
included
by
council
action
this
year
to
basically
complete
between
golden
valley,
road
and
and
theater
worth
park.
AB
A
theater
worth
lodge
my
question,
for
you
is,
is
that
there
doesn't
seem
to
be
a
vehicle
that
it's
not
getting
addressed
in
this
program
and
there's
no
program
out
there
that
addresses
basically
pedestrian
enhancements
across
the
the
improved
sections.
Now
you
know
nothing
is
going
to
go
in
there
anytime,
soon
and
the
paving
program.
If
I
read
what
I
read
correctly,
it's
basically
to
replace
pavement.
AB
However,
there's
nothing
on
here
that
improves
or
talks
about
improving
ability
to
get
across
that
final
intersection
to
theodore
worth
parkway
from
26th
from
plymouth
avenue,
which
is
getting
rebuilt
this
year,
but
the
last
intersection
to
get
across
there's
no
pedestrian
enhancements.
AB
It's,
unfortunately,
a
very,
very
big
difference
north
of
394
compared
to
south
of
394
and
what
pedestrian
enhancements
are
along
with
them,
and
you
could
do
that.
You
could
just
do
a
simple
check
in
and
count
counting
your
signs
and
your
records
to
realize
the
vast
inequity
that
is
there,
and
I
would
really
like
to
see
how
one
could,
because
I
did
try.
AB
Nothing
is
being
thought
about
on
this
and
I
really
would
like
to
get
it
on
the
radar.
So
when
you
complete
theater
worth
for
this
time,
because
it
won't
be
back
a
long
time
from
now
that
we
can
look
at
intersections
like
26
the
plymouth
intersection,
the
29th
intersection
for
that
matter,
mcnair,
these
are
all
it
just-
should
be
looked
upon
and
treated
this
way
as
western
road,
and
you
know
minnehaha,
parkway
and
around
the
lakes.
AB
Z
Hi
dan,
this
is
prairie
thanks
for
your
question,
so
I
can
give
a
little
bit
of
context
about
the
programming
outlook.
Z
Some
of
the
funding
contracts
along
for
the
pb001
program,
parkway,
paving
as
you
noted,
the
work
that
we
did
on
theater
worth
this
year
and
and
last
year
was
a
part
of
a
combined
effort
to
repave
theodore
through
their
work
from
29th
to
open
memorial,
but
that
work
came
with
a
heavy
cost
due
to
some
of
the
contaminants
we
found
in
the
soil
effectively
taking
more
of
the
parkway
budget
than
we
had
initially
initially
expected
and
that
same
work
that
that
was
necessary
on
theo
will
also
also
likely
be
necessary
on
saint
anthony
and
many
other
of
the
other
segments.
Z
Parkway
segments
currently
listed
in
the
program
that
you
see
on
the
screen
here
so
considering
some
of
those
funding
constraints
and
those
anticipated
funding
impacts
through
the
the
parkway
program.
We're
trying
to
make
sure
that
the
program
does
go
down.
Does
the
intent
of
the
program
first
and
that's
repaving,
the
parkway
parkway
system,
and
so
any
of
these
additional
connections.
Kind
of
fall
outside
the
scope
of
the
parkway
program
itself.
Z
I
I
will
note
that
the
state
does
have
other
programs
that
fund
pedestrian
improvements
and
connections,
but
I'll
also
know
that
those
are
based
off
safety
concerns
and
and
documented
safety
needs.
But
as
of
now
just
to
kind
of
think
and
answer
your
question.
The
parkway
program
is
very
constrained
and
we
have
a
a
lot
more
in
the
backlog
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
can.
We
haven't
we're
having
trouble
addressing
those
and
we're
making
sure
that
we
can
address
those
as
expedient
as
possible.
AB
I
understand
that
and
that's
exactly
my
point
is
that
it's
what's
there
is
basically
to
re
resurface
the
roads
and
and
basically
make
theater
worth
parkway
into
theaterworth
expressway.
You've
you've
eliminated
the
one
thing
that
slowed
traffic
down,
which
was
the
poor
road
conditions
and,
as
you
improve
these
things,
just
like
they
did
on
west
river
road,
just
like
they've
done
through
minnehaha
parkway.
AB
It's
time
to
be
able
to
look
at
simple
sign
and
paint
improvements,
and
nothing
in
the
city
program
that
I
see
addresses
that
during
these
constraints
you
know
it's
just
impossible
to
get
done
and
the
only
reason
I'm
raising
it
is
to
point
out
that
you
know
it's.
AB
It's
obvious
and
people
citizens
are
not
heard
and
we
are
just
allowing
something
we're
looking
the
other
way
and
not
addressing
an
issue
that
should
be
quite
literally
addressed
to
the
transportation
action
plan,
because
it's
across
the
park
board
in
the
city-
and
this
is
the
amount
that's
been
agreed
to
thank.
Z
You
thank
you
thanks.
Dan
I'd
also
note
that
we
are
working
with
our
partners
at
minneapolis
park
and
recreation
board
to
you
know
essentially
manage
this
program
and
we're
you
know
on
some
of
the
the
feedback
they've
heard
thus
far,
but
I'll.
Just
reiterate
too
that
these
improvements
that
that
you're
highlighting
are
more
driven
by
safety,
needs
and
safety
concerns,
and
so
we
primarily
use
the
data
driven
process
when
we
target
locations
to
be
improved.
AB
Yeah
I
appreciate
it,
but
believe
me,
you
know
the
the
back
and
forth
finger
pointing
between
the
the
park
and
city
is
leaves
a
problem
for
the
people
that
like
to
use
these
parks
and
parkways,
and
it's
very
very
evident
in
the
northern
half
of
the
city,
so
the
one
time
that
these
projects
get
worked
on.
We
really
should
be
looking
at
that
and
it's
just
it's
it's
a
comment.
B
Dan
thanks
jerome,
so
we
had
roberts
patiently
waiting
in
queue.
O
Yeah
jeff,
thank
you.
I
had
you
know
I
primarily
jumped
into
you
just
to
keep
the
the
written
questions
in
queue.
I
think
you
already
had
a
note
on
that.
I
also
just
want
to
do
a
quick
time
check
we're
at
9
40..
I
believe
we
have
a
break
scheduled
for
10
20.
O
and
I
know
we
do
have.
It
looks
like
we
do
have
old
mersinger
on
the
line
as
well
related
to
the
the
bridges
work
that
the
city
does
as
well.
B
Very
good,
so
this
segment
we
have
street
paving
bike
pad
sidewalks
bridges
and,
as
you
noted,
we
have
a
break
scheduled
at
10
20..
So
I
place
myself
in
q
and
then
I
said
with
no
objection.
We
would
go
to
some
of
the
written
questions
submitted
and
then,
after
that,
katie
and
my
question,
I'm
hoping
is
for
the
right
group.
B
Public
works
team
present,
currently
so
relative
to
vision,
zero
as
a
person
with
arthritis
who,
although
I
enjoy
biking,
I
have
some
limitations
because
of
arthritic
knees
that
have
not
yet
been
replaced
and
may
never
be,
but
and
also
I
happen
to
live
in
a
community
that
is
not
close
to
downtown.
While
I
work
downtown,
and
so
while
I've
examined
like
electric
bike
option,
that
sort
of
thing,
I'm
primarily
reliant
upon
a
hybrid
vehicle
and
will
eventually
move
to
an
electric
vehicle,
if
that's
feasible.
B
B
Presently,
however,
that
said,
for
example,
having
your
your
met
transit
station
run
into
by
vehicles,
because
the
drivers
are
not
observing
proper
methodologies
and
we're
going
to
be
working
on
the
osseo
bridge,
I
believe
soon,
which
currently
has
a
striped
media
in
which
my
neighbors
and
I
find
that
people
will
speed
up
to
pass
cars
going
into
that
striped
center
median.
That
doesn't
really
prevent
vehicles
from
going
into
it.
But
my
question
for
you
is
what
sort
of
empirical
research
data
do
you
test
engineering
design
changes?
B
X
Thanks
jeff
for
for
that
question,
so
a
lot
there.
So
the
first
thing
is:
we
rely
on
a
large
body
of
national
research
and
also
our
local
evaluation,
to
determine
how
we
move
forward
with
designs
to
make
them
as
safe
as
possible
for
our
most
vulnerable
street
users.
So
there's
a
there's
a
lot
to
go
on.
We
also,
you
know,
practice
context
sensitive
design.
X
So
looking
specifically
at
you
know
at
the
location
we
go
out
and
do
field
walks
to
see
what
the
best
option
is
to
make
sure
that
you
know
we're
we're
supporting
our
complete
streets
policy
to
to
protect
our
most
vulnerable
streets
users.
So,
yes
they're.
They
are
vetted
they're
evaluated
and
we
learn
from
our
our
past
designs
to
make
sure
that
we're
putting
the
best
design
forward
that
we
can.
B
N
N
Y
Thanks
for
the
question
steve,
I'm
going
to
take
this
one
and
and-
and
I'm
just
going
to
let
you
know
that
you
won't
be
satisfied
with
my
answer
right
now,
but
we
will
get
you
an
answer.
I
will
say
that
we
worked
closely
with
our
project
teams
in
developing
these
class
estimates,
so
I
have
confidence
in
the
cost
estimate,
but
I
cannot
answer
your
question
about
why
it's
higher
than
other
similarly
linked
similar
projects
in
length.
N
Thank
you
regarding
pv
127,
37th
avenue
northeast.
I
believe
this
was
conceived
as
a
cooperative
project
with
columbia
heights.
I
was
unclear
whether
the
13.1
million
figure
included
the
columbia
heights
contribution
or
whether
that's
an
add-on
and
whether
this
is
still
seen
as
a
project
that
will
be
done
simultaneously
by
both
cities.
W
I
can
take
that
one
steve,
the
13.1
million
does
include
funding
from
columbia
heights,
so
this
project
received
a
seven
million
dollar
federal
grant
and
then
the
remaining
you
know,
approximately
six
million
dollars
is
being
split
between
city
of
minneapolis
and
the
city
of
columbia.
Heads.
N
Thank
you.
We
had
in
the
presentation
three
segments
of
chicago
avenue,
but
in
the
length
I
could
only
find
one
of
the
three
173
and
176
were
missing
for
some
reason.
Unless
I
misunderstood
the
presentation,
do
you
know
the
status
of
those
and
are
they
being
proposed
for
funding
in
the
six-year
plan
or
not.
W
W
Our
backlog
of
reconstruction
projects
has
continued
to
grow,
and
so
we
evaluated
projects
across
the
cip
to
ensure
that
you
know
lengths
of
streets
that
we
had
in
our
reconstruction
truly
were
the
top
priority
for
a
reproduction
project
so
that
we
didn't
have
this
ever
growing
backlogger
project
and
so
two
of
those
sections
of
chicago
avenue,
the
two
southernmost
sections
were
actually
removed
from
the
cip.
W
After
a
closer
evaluation,
we
took
some
cores
of
the
streets,
so
our
paving
lab,
you
know
actually
goes
in
and
kind
of
borders
into
the
street
pulls
out
the
pavement
and
the
base
and
those
streets
were
actually
in
good
enough
condition.
I
think
it
was
a
39th
street
to
46.
W
Then
I
want
to
say:
52nd
to
60th
those
exact
planes
might
beat
might
be
off
by
a
block
or
two,
but
those
streets
were
in
good
enough
condition
that
they
didn't
immediately
need
any
maintenance
or
reconstruction,
and
so
they
were
removed
from
the
cip.
I
did
just
look
through
our
presentation
quickly.
I
I
don't
think
those
were
included
in
the
presentation
I'll
have
to
double
check
again,
but
I
can
confirm
that
in
this
year's
cip,
public
works
is
just
proposing
the
northernmost
of
those
three
sections
which
was
from
lake
street
37.
W
It's
also
worth
noting
that,
due
to
the
inclusion
of
the
38th
in
chicago
project
that
the
extent
of
some
of
the
projects
around
around
that
intersection
have
changed
both
on
chicago
avenue.
So
last
year
we
proposed
lake
to
38th
now
with
the
30th
in
chicago
project.
The
that
northernmost
chicago
avenue,
section
is
terminating
at
37th
street
and
then
we'd
also
included
projects
on
38th
street,
and
so
the
extents
of
those
projects
on
38th
have
changed
as
well.
N
Thank
you.
I
nobody
knows
the
quality
of
street
surface
like
a
cyclist,
because
we
feel
every
bump,
and
I
will
confirm
that
the
two
southernmost
segments
were
in
better
shape
on
the
neckwood
avenue
bridge
project,
since
water
infiltration
and
salt
infiltration
are
the
culprits
here.
Are
there
any
new
techniques
to
handle
those
that
have
maybe
been
developed
since
the
last
go
around
for
this
that
are
being
contemplated,
particularly
since
this
is
such
a
flat
bridge
end
to
end?
AA
AA
Who've
got
bridges
to
to
look
for
similar
situations
and
and
and
opportunities
to
use
technology
and
techniques,
and
that
sort
of
thing
you
know,
as
the
industry
is
going
a
lot
with
with
the
chlorides
and
recognizing
the
chloride,
impacts
and
bridges
is,
has
gotten
to
I'll,
say
a
chemistry
level,
more
durable,
concretes
and
then
even
on
the
on
this
bridge.
N
Okay
on
the
parkway
lights,
I'm
glad
to
see
that
you're
replacing
steel
with
aluminum.
Do
you
have
an
expected
life
for
those
poles
in
comparison
to
the
life
that
the
steel
poles
have
lasted
and
I
know
you're.
I
noticed
that
you're
installing
full
cut
off
lights
on
your
pedestrian
corridor
lights.
Are
you
also
doing
the
same
on
the
park?
Parkway
lights.
X
N
Great,
would
that
also
be
true
for
the
tall
street
lights,
the
city
street
light
renovation.
B
I'm
done
thank
you
thanks
steve
katie
and
then
eric.
Q
Yeah,
so
mine
is
actually
a
follow-up
question
to
one
of
my
previous
questions
and
I
probably
should
have
determined
at
the
time.
So
I
believe
jenny.
You
had
answered
that
for
all
street
designs,
we're
now
following
the
transcendence
and
action
plan,
and
I
just
wanted
to
comment
that
one
of
the
designs
proposed
for
hennepin
doesn't
follow
the
transportation
action
plan
and
wondering
if
you
could
sort
of
respond
to
that.
Y
Thanks
katie-
and
you
know
we-
we
do
have
an
engagement
process-
that's
active
on
the
hennepin
avenue
project
right
now.
We
understand
that
there
are
some
feelings
that
some
of
those
options
don't
align
with
the
transportation
action
plan.
I
think
that's
something
that
we
we
see
that
there
are
that
it
does
align.
It
doesn't
align
well
with
some
aspects
of
the
plan
and
they're
just
they're,
it's
a
very
challenging
corridor.
Y
It's
an
extremely
constrained
right
away
and
we
have
multiple
overlapping
priority
networks
along
that
corridor
and
we're
we're
doing
our
best
along
there
to
produce
concepts
for
community
input
at
this
point
that
helped
to
balance
those
competing
needs
in
a
very
constrained
corridor.
So
that's
again
a
very
active
community
engagement
process
right
now
we
don't
have
a
decision
on
that
yet,
and
so
that
is
coming
within
the
next
several
months.
F
M
Okay,
I'm
going
going
back
to
a
bit
of
about
what
steve
said
regarding
pv
122.
M
pv
122,
as
far
as
I
could
see,
was
the
largest
departure
from
what
the
click
proposed
last
year,
and
I
I
don't
know
if
it's,
because
there
was
a
need
for
funding
and
other
programs.
However,
I
I
also
note
that
it
is
a
key
piece
in
the
upper
harbor
terminal
development
and
that
there
are
a
number
of
partnerships
involved
in
creating
this
connection
between
the
north
side
communities
and
the
upper
harbor
terminal.
M
Does
this
in
any
way
delay
the
upper
harbor
terminal
project
is,
is?
Is
it
going
to
have
a
significant
impact
on
progress
in
in
that
area?
X
Thanks
eric
I'm
just
confirming,
let's
see
this
is
lindy
to
first
so
you're
asking
about
lindy
alter
first,
so
this
is
a
partner
or
an
not
a
partner,
a
complimentary
project
to
upper
harbor.
This
does
not
delay
any
of
the
opera
harbor
work,
the
shorter
piece,
the
shorter
piece
of
dowling
avenue,
and
I
apologize.
X
The
the
part
of
dowling,
that's
that's
proposed
to
the
west,
is
a
complementary
project
to
that
to
that
process,
because,
as
we
look
at
our
20-year
students
funding
program
and
how
we
rate
projects
we
add
in
we,
we
believe
that
that
would
be
a
you
know,
a
great
complimentary
project
as
upper
harbor
moves
forward.
X
M
Okay,
yeah-
I
I
just
want
to
emphasize
that
that
dowling
avenue
piece
is
an
extremely
important
equity
issue.
M
That's
how
the
african-american
communities
the
minority
communities
can
benefit
from
the
upper
harbor
terminal
without
that
that
transverse,
it
pretty
much
cuts
us
off
again
from
the
resource.
So
I
would
place
a
very
high
priority
on
that
in
terms
of
equity,.
X
Yeah,
absolutely
we
understand
the
importance
of
of
that
connection
and
bringing
people
to
the
resource
that
is,
you
know,
looking
to
bring
more
people
to
that
area.
M
B
Thanks
eric,
I
put
myself
in
queue
again
just
to
go
over
a
couple
of
items
from
our
april
21st
public
input
session,
and
I
don't
have
the
notes
in
front
of
me.
The
city
department
has
the
meeting
recording
if
public
works
staff
has
the
time
or
opportunity
to
watch
that
short
meeting,
maybe
less
than
an
hour
about
an
hour
and
10
minutes.
B
So
we
had
a
lowry
hill
east
resident,
who
spoke
relative
to
tr
22,
and
this
may
be
the
next
group,
but
to
show
fairness
he
he
did
speak
in
favor
of
signage
and
signals
and
near
side
signals
and
referenced.
The
manual
of
uniform
traffic
signal
design
for
both
signalization
and
no
turn
on
red,
and
we
also
had
comments
made
related
to
bpo3
resurfacing
cedar
lake
trail.
B
Others
can
certainly
speak
to
these
as
well.
Also
someone
relating
fremont
avenue,
35th
and
36,
an
alleyway
where
the
property
owner
cannot
access
garage
due
to
18-inch
ice
curves
that
apparently
occur,
and
then
there
were
some
other
references
to
water.
B
But
this
is
in
addition
to
the
either
charter
or
ordinance
required
joint
public
hearing
with
the
planning
commission.
That
click
has
two
public
input
sessions,
so
I
don't
know
if
there's
enough
detail
in
that
or
if
it
would
be
something
that
maybe
the
public
works
staff
would.
At
least
one
person
take
an
opportunity
to
listen
to
those
comments.
W
W
I
was
just
going
to
note
that
finance
did
share
this
video
with
with
public
works
and
that
I
was
able
to
listen
and
and
pulled
out
a
lot
of
the
same
things
that
you
mentioned.
I
think
the
the
comments,
particularly
on
signals
and
no
turn
on
red.
Again.
Those
are
probably
things
that
are,
you
know
best
for
our
our
traffic
colleagues
to
answer,
particularly
on
signal
design.
I
know
that
we
do
have
some
locations
in
the
city
where
we
do
have
no
turn
on
reds.
W
You
know
just
depending
on
the
local
context,
and
then
just
the
only
other
thing
to
note
is
that
with
the
cedar
lake
trail-
and
you
know
there
was
a
comment
there
about
maintenance,
you
know
with
some
of
our
trails.
You
know
off
the
top
of
my
head,
not
sure
with
that
one
if
it's
city
owned
or
if
it's
owned
by
by
others.
So
we
are
looking
to
that
one
as
well.
B
Q
Yeah
sorry,
I
just
wanted
to
confirm.
So
if
we
have
questions
about
the
the
near
side
signal
component,
that
would
you
suggest
that
we
talk
to
the
your
colleagues
who
do
the
the
signaling
about
that?
Yes,.
X
We've
spoken
with,
I
believe,
the
person
who's
who's
asked
that
question
before,
and
our
traffic
stop
will
be
able
to
answer
that
in
in
more
detail
and
with
the
best
information.
J
AD
This
is
my
first
time
on
participating
and
I
live
in
north
minneapolis
and
I
use
all
the
systems,
and
I
guess,
unless
you
live
here,
you
don't
really
because
of
the
proximity
that
all
of
us
in
north
minneapolis
use
all
of
these
facilities.
AD
AD
X
Thanks
for
the
common
katrina,
I'll
say
that
you
know
we
all
have
our
biases.
We
do
our
best
to
try
and
identify
those
within
our
work.
I
guess
the
question
like
two
things
for
that
one
before
the
cip,
so
the
20-year
street
spending
plan
began
its
it's.
You
know
it's
extra
funding
in
2017.,
so
before
the
cip,
there
were
a
large
slate
of
projects
that
happened
in
north
minneapolis
or
those
were
some
of
the
projects
that
were
prioritized
first.
X
So
some
of
that
you
know
includes
our
queen
avenue
bikeway,
which
is
still
is
still
forthcoming.
That
was
an
early
project,
penn
avenue,
arterial,
rust,
rapid
transit,
bikeway
and
pedestrian
upgrade
safety
upgrades
on
emerson
and
fremont.
That's
not
to
say
that
you
know
any
of
those
like
are
the
answer
to
an
equitable
system,
but
I
guess
it'd
be
helpful
for
us
for
staff
if
you
could
kind
of
elaborate
a
little
bit
more
specifically
on
which
piece
of
of
these
investments
that
you
find
inequitable
within
the
system.
AD
Okay,
I
guess
that
was
a
bigger
question,
because
I
do
have
I.
I
will
be
submitting
some
more
comments
to
my
committee,
but
it's
just
kind
of
maybe
looking
and
taking
a
deeper
dive
at
how
the
data
is
collected
and
the
decisions
still
seem
to
be
not
equitable.
AD
Y
Jeff,
if
this
is
jenny
hager,
if
I
might,
I
could
add-
maybe
a
little
bit
to
this
katrina,
which
might
help
you
formulate
your
formal
written
comments.
But
when
the
the
20-year
streets
funding
plan
was
created,
the
data
sources
that
were
available
to
us
in
the
region
included
things
like
our
own
data,
about
where,
where
we
had
certain
modes
well
accommodated
and
not
so
that's
part
of
what
we're
looking
at,
you
know.
Where
do
we
want
bikeways,
but
don't
have
them?
Y
Where
do
we
have
good,
up-to-date
pedramts
that
don't
you
know
we
need
to
or
where
we
don't
have
them
and
where
we
need
to
do
that
work?
So
that's
part
of
the
data,
but
we
also
used
regional
data
that
helped
us
understand
regional
and
national
data
that
helped
us
understand
where
minority
households
were
within
the
city,
where
low-income
households
were
in
the
city
where
folks
had
limited
or
no
access
to
vehicles,
and
so
therefore
transit
was
very
important
to
them.
Y
And
and
this
data
came
to
us,
you
know
nationally
or
regionally,
and
since
then
our
regional
partner
in
the
metropolitan
council
has
decided
to
take
a
different
look
at
how
they're
providing
some
of
that
data.
And
I
think
this
gets
a
little
bit
to
what
you're
talking
about
in
terms
of
how
data
itself
is
collected.
Y
So
we
used
to
use
a
metric
called
areas
of
concentrated
poverty
in
areas
of
concentrated
poverty,
where
more
than
50
percent
are
people
of
color
and
that
as
a
metric
and
as
a
data
source
is
going
away.
I
don't
have
at
the
tip
of
my
tongue
with
new
terminology
that
the
council
is
using,
but
they're
starting
to
look
a
little
bit
more
deeply
at
this
data
to
identify.
Y
You
know
where
areas
of
concentrated
wealth
versus
areas
of
concentrated
poverty
and
trying
to
make
sure
that
that
data
is
available
to
us
as
well,
so
that
we're
not
just
honing
in
on
just
one
aspect
of
that
data.
We're
going
to
be
following
the
metropolitan
council's
lead
on
this.
Our
partners
in
community
planning
and
economic
development
are
doing
the
same
and
we'll
be
updating
our
data
sources
and
how
we
talk
about
these
things
in
our
policy
documents.
As
a
result.
B
Thank
you
and
I'll
point
out
that
our
one
of
our
former
members,
raya
esmeli,
who
serves
on
the
planning
commission
now
may
will
be
able
to
talk
with
her
about
that
change
during
our
session.
So
we
have
about
10
minutes
remaining
and
we
have
three
members
in
queue.
So
matt,
risa
and
eric.
AE
Hey
thank
you
good
morning,
so
I
apologize
I'm
a
newcomer
to
this.
This
may
be
easily
answered
by
just
folks
who
have
been
in
the
click
process
previous
to
this,
but
in
watching
the
presentations
and
see
that,
and
particularly
with
the
reconstruction
projects
scheduled
out,
you
know
2025
through
2027.
AE
There
was
an
acknowledgment
that
they
were
sort
of
intentionally
over
programmed
to
kind
of
provide
some
options
to
consider
to
get
in
the
queue.
I
understand
that
we
will
be
looking
at.
You
know
it's
kind
of
our
responsibility
to
look
at
weighing
all
the
different
plans
and
priorities
and
kind
of
equity,
and
all
these
other
things
that
we're
considering.
AE
But
I
just
I
I
wanted
to
know
from
the
staff's
perspective
or
or
is
there
something
in
the
in
the
information
that's
been
provided
either
in
the
cbrs
or
something
that
I
should
be
looking
at
as
a
member
kind
of
see
how
and
where
the
staff
have
made
any
recommendations
about
how
to
weigh
those
priorities.
If
it's
entirely
on
us,
that's
then,
then
that's
what
we'll
do,
but
I
just
wanted
to
understand.
There's
something
in
the
in
the
cbrs
are
another
aspect
of
the
data.
AE
That's
been
provided
for
me
to
look
at
to
understand
how
staff
are
presenting
those
projects
for
those
later
years.
X
Thanks
matt,
so
there
is
a
department
ranking
on
each
cbr,
the
that
could
help
you
with
that.
So
that's
one.
That's
one
place
to
look
I'll
say
that
you
know
we
look
at
all
of
these
projects.
X
Our
need
across
the
city
is
always
going
to
outweigh
the
the
funding
that
we
have
available
for
us,
and
so
a
lot
of
these
in
the
back
year
are
in
our
minds,
are
all
very
good
projects
that
support
our
plans
and
policies
come
out
of
our
recommendations
of
the
20-year
streets
funding
plan,
and
so
we
are
excited
to
see
what
what
clicks
rankings
here
are,
as
they
come
forward
to
help
us
prioritize
these
projects,
as
they
move
closer
to
a
start
date
and
like
an
open
public
engagement
phase
as
they
move
closer
up
into
the
cip.
J
AE
K
Hi
there
I
am
wondering
if
we
could
get
a
little
bit
of
information
for
pb
177,
the
chicago
and
38th
street
intersection
reconstruction.
I
I
I
just
said
I
would
just
like
a
little
bit
of
information
about
how
staff
is
gathering
community
feedback
for
that
project.
Considering
it
it,
I
think
it's
a
fairly
sensitive
area
thanks.
Y
Sure,
thanks
for
the
question
lisa
so
right
now
we
do
have
staff
that
are
working
closely
with
our
other
staff
in
neighborhood
and
community
relations
in
community
planning
economic
development
and
with
our
elected
officials
to
work
with
the
community.
So
that
includes
the
community
that
is
adjacent
to
that
intersection.
Y
You
know
property
owners,
business
owners,
but
it
also
includes
the
community,
the
larger
community
that
is
using
that
intersection
right
now
and
right
now
we
are
not
engaging
with
the
community
on
what
the
plans
will
be
long
term
for
that
intersection.
We
need
to
do
that.
We're
developing
a
community
engagement
plan
for
that,
but
we're
not
there
with
that
community,
yet
they're
there.
The
intersection
is
still
closed.
I
think
you've
seen
in
media
reports
that
the
city
has
a
desire
to
get
that
intersection
reopened
in
some
way.
Y
The
timing
has
to
be
right
and
we
need
to
work
closely
with
the
community
to
do
that.
So
we
do
know
that
we
need
a
project
programmed
at
chicago
in
38th
to
do
some
permanent
changes
at
that
intersection.
We
do
know
that
there's
an
active
transit
project
that
is
planned
to
go
through
that
intersection
and
we're
working
very
very
closely
with
our
partners
at
metro
transit
on
that,
and
we
do
know
that
there
needs
to
be
a
robust
community
engagement
on
what
those
plans
will
be
and
we're
developing
plans.
Y
We
hope
to
be
able
to
start
that
process
with
the
community
later
this
year,
potentially
later
this
summer.
Even
but
we
are
sensitive
to
the
community's
needs
at
this
time
and
don't
want
to
push
that
until
it's,
it's
the
right
time
to
do
so.
K
K
Follow-Up
timeline-wise,
so
this
project
is
slated
for
2023.
I
think-
and
I
I
wonder,
would
you
delay
the
project
if
you
weren't
able
to
perform
the
community
engagement
that
you
described.
Y
And
their
needs
and
the
timing,
we
do
feel
that
the
community
is
looking
to
have
something
done
there.
We
do
have
the
timing
of
the
d-line
transit
project
to
be
aware
of
through
that
intersection,
so
we're
trying
to
thread
the
needle
very
finely
here
to
ensure
that
we
can
not
hold
that
transit
project
up,
but
also
not
push
the
community
faster
than
they
are
ready
and
willing
to
go.
Y
So
we
are
hopeful
that
we
can
meet
that
2023
time
frame
because
that's
the
best
timing
and
according
to
that
transit
project,
but
we
do
have
some
contingency
plans
that
we're
thinking
of
if
there
are
challenges
with
that
timeline.
Z
And
risa,
just
to
note,
too,
that
this
intersection
project
here
went
through
our
20-year
refunding
planning
process
and
is
a
excerpt
of
the
overlapping
38th
street
projects
and
chicago
projects.
So
it's
primarily
driven
by
the
metrics
and
the
justification
article
in
your
feed
cutting
plan
combined
with
asset
conditions.
The
the
project
exists
now
in
the
cip,
as
it
does,
particularly
because
of
the
the
different
context
it.
E
B
H
Great
thank
you
and
I
actually
had
just
a
quick
follow-up.
I
think
it
was
matt
kazenka
who
asked
about
staff
prioritization
and
whether
that
exists,
and
I
thought
you
said
that
it
does,
but
I
don't
see
that
anywhere
in
the
documentation.
Maybe
I'm
missing
it,
but
if
not,
will
that
be
made
available
to
the
click
members
as
we
evaluate
the
projects.
X
So
yeah
there
we
go
someone's
highlighting
right.
M
Okay
yeah,
my
question:
maybe
it's
more
of
a
statement.
It
connects
to
what
kitty
katrina
had
said
earlier
regarding
a
a
a
different
view
of
of
of
equity.
M
One
of
the
the
problems
I've
been
seeing
is
that
when
equities
applied
with
transportation,
you
identify
where,
where
the
minority-
or
you
know,
the
racial
ethnic
groups
are
located
as
opposed
to
their
activity
patterns.
Where
do
they
need
to
get
to,
and
that's
also
true
with
ada,
I
mean
if
we
think
about
the
the
need
for
those
ramps,
we
need
to
know
where
the
people
need
the
ramps
are
located
and
where
they
want
to
get
to.
M
I,
I
think,
would
be
very
helpful
to
think.
In
those
terms
we
in
north
side
minneapolis
there
are
very
few
jobs
up
here,
so
people
need
to
get
to
work.
There's
also
a
very
very
few
food
places
to
buy
food,
there's
very
little
commercial
activity
up
here.
So
if,
if
the
circle
of
impact
for
for
those
who
who
are
affected
by
inequity
were
considered,
I
I
think
the
pl.
The
priorities
would
probably
change
a
bit
and
and
also
the
designs
of
where's
public
transit.
M
Where
should
public
transit
go
to
bike
lanes?
Don't
really
help?
Those
of
us
who
are
elderly
or
you
know,
have
knee
replacements.
So
so
I
think
that's
the
sort
of
equity
thinking
you
probably
do,
but
we
don't
see
and.
X
Thanks
for
that,
that
comment
and
question
eric
so
part
of
that
actually
is
in
the
20-year
streets
funding
plan.
So
there's
different
types
of
data
sets.
So
not
only
is
it's
the
people
who
live
along
the
streets,
but
we
look
at
kind
of
a
proxy
of
like
the
people
who
are
using
the
streets.
So
that's
our
existing
transit
counts,
that's
our
existing
bicycle
and
walking
counts
and
our
existing
vehicle
counts.
X
The
other
part
of
that
that
that
we
have
a
proxy
for
is
the
you
know
the
people
living
along
the
streets
and
the
people
that
use
that.
So
we
do
look
at
access
to
to
job
centers
connections,
to
our
local
amenities
within
the
neighborhoods,
so
all
of
that
data
gets
put
into
it
on
the
front
end
and
then
it's
also
part
of
our
what
we
call
our
qualitative
review.
X
So
we
look
at
opportunities
to
try
and
make
those
types
of
connections,
but
I'll,
say
too
that
it's
in
within
our
tap
planning
documents
that
we
will
be
so
that's
a
transportation
action
plan
that
jenny
mentioned
earlier.
That
we'll
be
reviewing
the
way
our
our
planning
documents
are
looking
for
to
the
future
and
incorporating
that
into
an
update
of
the
20-year
streets
funding
plan.
M
Great
great,
thank
you
I
I
would
just
suggest
if
you
haven't
look
at
the
mprb's
equity
planning
process.
I
don't
know
if
you've
ever
seen
it.
Oh
a
great
great
it.
It's
it's
very
helpful
for
us.
M
So
thank
you
back
to
you,
chair.
B
Thank
you
eric
thank
you
to
the
public
works
staff,
we're
at
our
morning
break
time,
10
20
a.m,
and
I
want
to
thank
staff
who
are
who
may
be
leaving
the
virtual
meeting
and
otherwise
members.
Unless
robert
neil
amelia
justin
have
anything
we
should
be
taking
our
short
ten
minute
break
and
resume
at
10
30.
Y
Yeah,
this
is
jenny
nader,
if
I
might
just
also
take
a
second
just
to
thank
all
of
you,
quick
members
for
your
time
this
morning
and
for
your
time
in
this
process.
We
understand
what
a
huge
commitment
it
is
for
all
of
you
and
we
greatly
appreciate
everything
that
you
all
do
so
thanks
for
having
us
this
morning,.
B
Well,
thank
you
to
the
public
works
and
we
will
resume
at
how
about
we
give
ourselves
10
minutes.
10
31.
X
B
Everyone,
my
time
is
showing
10
31
a.m.
We
should
be
resuming
shortly.
B
O
Jeff
yeah,
this
is
robert.
It
sounds
like
a
good
idea
if
you
have
notes-
or
if
you
give
us
a
second
to,
I
think,
get
our
notes
pulled
together.
B
E
B
Okay,
fantastic,
so
whenever
the
whenever
robert
is
ready,
we'll
resume
the
second
segment,
so
we're
talking
about
traffic
parking,
storm
and
sanitary,
sewer,
water,
infrastructure
and
fleet.
Do
we
want
to
have
like
a
five
minute
high
level
overview,
five
to
ten
minute
high
level
overview
and
then.
J
O
Yeah
jeff
I
can.
I
can
just
do
a
really
brief.
You
know
welcome
to
the
staff
we're
on
the
call.
I
know
we
have
a
few
from
traffic
and
parking.
O
I
think
we
should
probably
do
this
section
a
little
bit
differently
than
we
did
the
earlier
one
where
transportation,
planning
and
programming
you
know
really
covered
the
first
three.
You
know
full
four
sections
and
we
should
probably
split
this
one
out
just
a
little
bit
more.
O
So
at
this
time,
I'd
like
to
to
welcome
those
staff
from
traffic
and
parking
who
who
joined
us
on
the
call,
what
we've,
what
we're
trying
to
do
just
to
keep
the
call
organized
is
to
you
know,
open
it
to
staff
from
traffic
and
parking
to
you
know
make
any
welcoming
or
orienting
comments
that
you
feel
are
appropriate
at
this
time.
You
know,
please
take
a
moment
to
introduce
yourselves
to
click.
We
have
some
new,
quick
members
with
us.
O
This
year
we
may
have
some
new
staff
as
well,
and
then
we
have
a
few
written
questions
that
we
can,
that
we
can
go
over
to
to
start
things
off
and
then
kind
of
open
it
up
for
q,
a
from
click
members
at
the
same
time.
So
do
we
have
somebody
from
traffic
and
parking
that
that
I
could
kick
it
over
to
to
start
introductions.
AF
AF
Hopefully,
you
can
see
me
just
to
recap.
The
projects
that
were
submitted
by
myself
were
sent
around
the
ramp
updates
and
major
maintenance
items.
As
I
say,
for
the
parking
ramps,
these
included
elevator
modernization,
parking
revenue,
control
equipment,
that's
the
equipment
that
you
use
when
you
go
in
and
out
of
the
ramps
and
the
back
office.
Software
high
speed
garage
door,
replacements
and
general
led
lighting
upgrades,
which
is
basically
moving
from
the
older
technologies
to
more
efficient,
led
lighting.
AF
O
Thanks
mark,
do
we
have
anybody
else
from
the
the
traffic
and
parking
services
division
on
the
call
with
us.
T
V
AI
Yep
my
name
is
bill,
prince
I'm
with
traffic
and
parking.
I'm
a
traffic
signal
engineer.
I
work
primarily
in
the
construction
and
planning
for
new
signals
and
also
inspections,
and
you
know
documentation
of
the
final
products
so
good
morning,
everybody
and
great
to
be
here.
AH
And
one
last
person
from
traffic
and
parking
services,
my
name
is
alan
klugman,
I'm
a
principal
professional
engineer
with
the
traffic
and
parking
services
division
get
involved
with
a
little
bit
of
everything
that
we'll
be
talking
about
this
morning.
So
that's
our
entire
group.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
and
welcome.
O
Yeah,
so
at
this
time
we
we
have
a
few
written
questions
that
have
been
submitted
in
advance.
I
can
I
can
kick
things
off
by
by
starting
in
on
those
we
kind
of
touched
on
for
the
click
numbers
we
kind
of
touched
on
some
of
these.
As
we
concluded
the
first
morning
session,
the
first
one
is
to
do
with
tr008
parkway
lights.
The
question
in
the
comment
reads:
we're
glad
to
see
aluminum
subbing
out
steel
poles.
What
is
the
expected
life
of
the
replacement?
V
Hi
joe
lauren,
here
again
with
traffic.
I
appreciate
the
question.
Yes,
that's
correct.
The
the
parkway
light
poles
are
that
are
being
installed,
are
aluminum,
I'm
replacing
mostly
what
I
believe
is
steel.
There
may
be
some
exceptions
as
far
as
life
expectancy
there's
always
some
variables.
V
Of
course,
aluminum
is
more
resistant
to
corrosion
and
deterioration,
but
there's
always
some
variables
of
you
know:
streets
that
are
maybe
have
higher
traffic
or
more
salt,
or
things
like
that
may
affect
the
life
expectancy
to
some
degree,
but
I
would
say
to
maybe
point
to
another
example
within
the
city.
I
do
believe
some
of
the
street
lights
over
in
the
como
neighborhood
are
aluminum
as
well,
and
I
think
that's
maybe
our
oldest
aluminum
pole
in
the
city.
V
I
believe
those
are
installed
in
the
60s
and
the
poles
themselves
are
still
in
decent
shape,
and
so
I
would
say
it
could
be
reasonably
assumed
that
you
could
get
50-year
lifespan
of
that
type
of
pull.
That's
of
course
our
hope,
which
would
be
more
than
the
steel
poles,
which
I
think
are
maybe
more
along
the
30
30.
Some
your
life
span
just
it's
kind
of
an
approximate
number,
so
definitely
increasing
the
lifespan,
based
on
an
improved
specification.
V
Yeah,
okay,
yeah
and
the
second
part
of
the
question
I
can.
I
can
grab
that
one
as
well
the
full
cutoff
component
of
it.
V
Oh,
that's
part
of
tr
24,
so,
okay
yeah,
so
the
parkway
lights
do
have
those
it's
kind
of
a
skirt
shield,
so
the
lighting
is
deflected
downward
and
then,
as
well
as
for
the
pedestrian
streetlight
corridors.
Those
two
fixtures
that
we
use
are
either
the
the
fixture
on
the
30
foot
tall
pole,
that's
the
taller
pole
and
the
15
foot
pole,
which
is
the
shorter
pole,
of
course,
and
those
either
lantern
or
acorn
style
fixtures,
as
we
call
them
that's
kind
of
the
shape
of
the
fixture.
V
V
And
then
the
the
last
question
there
looks
like
tr11
streetlight
renovation,
new
poles
being
aluminum
ester
parkway.
That
is
so
for
new
poles
that
we
install
there.
There
are
two
types
of
poles:
one
is
the
low
level
15
foot
pole
that
is
aluminum.
V
We
have
an
anodized
aluminum,
that's
our
standard,
so
long
life
expectancy
and
then
for
the
the
tall
poles,
the
30
foot,
poles.
Our
specification
is
that
actually
a
galvanized
steel
and
as
that
question
references,
that
is
the
reason
for
that
is
more
of
a
structural
reason.
As
it's
pointed
out
there,
and
so
the
steel
has
a
higher
capacity
to
attach
other
things.
We
occasionally
attach,
you
know
signage
or
maybe
potentially
traffic.
V
You
know
a
traffic
signal,
you
know
ped
counter
or
something
like
that
and
so
they're
more
of
a
robust
poll.
But
that's
another
poll
that
we've
been
installing
for
50
60
plus
years
in
the
city.
We've
had
a
good
track
record
with
longevity
to
those
poles.
The
galvanization
over
the
steel
definitely
gives
it
an
extra
layer
of
protection
and
so
good
specifications
for
for
long
lasting
equipment
or
long-lasting
infrastructure,
which
of
course,
is
the
goal
to
to
reduce
the
maintenance,
maintenance
costs.
T
That
this
is
ryan,
and
I
can
answer
that
so
yeah,
the
last
round
of
the
federal
highway
safety
improvements
program,
as
well
as
the
regional
association
only
went
through
2025.
So,
of
course,
if
there's
funding
available
for
26
and
27,
we
will
go
strongly
after
that
funding
with
applications
in
the
future.
AB
Good
morning,
this
is
a
question
from
mr
lauren,
I
believe,
and
it's
regarding
some
pedestrian
lighting
that
was
installed
along
industrial
boulevard
in
northeast
minneapolis
between
broadway
and
35w.
This
was
a
reconstruction
two
years
ago.
AB
Actually
it
wasn't
a
reconstruction,
it
was
a
a
trail
installment
part
of
the
great
part
of
the
grand
rounds
missing,
link
and
part
of
that
was
getting
pedestrian
lighting.
The
trail
was
put
in
two
years
ago
and
I
believe
this
spring,
the
the
lighting
was
actually
installed
or
the
pedestrian
lighting
the
posts
have
been
there.
AB
However,
the
lighting
was
installed
in
this
section,
so
it
it
hangs
over
industrial
boulevard
rather
than
the
trail
section,
and
as
you
may
know
that
that
that
light,
that
area
has
a
lot
of
task
lighting
for
the
four-lane
road.
That's
there
and
what
is
kind
of
left
in
the
dark
is
the
grand
rounds
missing,
link
trails
since
the
pedestrian
lighting
the
heads
were
put
to
the
road
rather
than
the
trail
that
is
adjacent
to
it.
V
Yeah
I
can.
I
can
take
a
look
at
that.
I
know
I
I'm
familiar
with
the
the
project
that
you're
that
you're
talking
about,
but
I
have
not
observed
it
in
the
night
conditions.
It
is
kind
of
a
standard
practice
to
put
the
lights
in
the
boulevard
between
a
roadway
and
a
trail,
so
that's
kind
of
the
default
standard,
and
you
know
because
there's
the
boulevard
in
the
space
to
do
it,
putting
it
behind
a
trail.
I
don't
remember
the
exact
specifics
of
that
project.
V
If
there
were
right
away
constraints,
I
don't
know
if
there's
space
behind
the
trail
or
utility
underground
utility
conflicts
or
challenges
there,
so
that
was
that
was
part
of
it.
But
that
sounds
like
you're,
maybe
asking
just
about
the
the
the
light
on
whether
it's
hung
over
the
trail
or
not
or
over
the
roadway,
so
that
the
default
is
that
it
typically
faces
the
roadway
and
some
of
the
backside
light
will
catch
the
trail.
V
But
we
can
look
into
it
further
and
I
can
check
in
with
park
board
and
see
if
they
have
any
thoughts
on
that
as
well.
That's
a
that
was
a
cooperative
agreement,
cooperative
project,
of
course,
as
you
know
so,.
AB
Yes,
my
question
is
basically
whether
the
heads
could
be
turned
around
the
beam.
The
light
could
be
turned
180
degrees,
so
it
wouldn't.
It
could
better
light
the
trail
rather
than
the
roadway.
AB
It's
it's
no
change
in
where
the
positioning
of
the
the
fixtures
are
it's
just
whether
you
can
turn
the
light
fixture
itself
to
light
the
trail,
primarily
rather
than
the
discrete.
AB
F
O
O
O
B
I'm
sorry
so
I
apologize
scott
is
in
queue.
Then
math
eric
and
steve.
P
Yeah,
I
have
a
question
about
pk004
off
street
parking
facilities.
One
thing
I
notice
in
the
cbr
is
that
there
is
no
information
about
sort
of
the
revenue
that
comes
in.
Obviously,
this
is
like
the
city
running
a
business.
P
AF
Hello,
scott
yeah,
that's
a
good
question.
We
I
mean
we
could
we
we
can
get
the
finances.
I
obviously
don't
have
them
with
me
today,
but.
P
And
then
so,
the
other
point
is
we've:
just
we
continued
to
be
in
a
pandemic
and
last
year
for
2021.
I
believe
it
was
a
5
million
dollar
budget
item
and
now
it's
down
into
the
1
million
range
and
I'm
assuming
that's
because
of
the
pandemic
and
the
fact
that
very
few
people
are
going
downtown
minneapolis
to
park
in
these
facilities.
P
So
it
looks
like
in
2023
or
24.
We
go
back
to
the
5
million
amount
for
maintenance
of
these
facilities
and
has
public
works.
Taken.
AF
Yeah
I
mean
we've
been
evaluating
the
situation
with
covert
19.
You
know,
since
the
very
very
start
and
you're
quite
right.
The
the
reason
that
the
maintenance
or
the
project
money
is
less
is
the
fact
that
the
ramps
are
being
used
less.
I
mean
good
good
examples.
Are
the
revenue,
control
equipment
and
any
equipment
that
that
basically
is
mechanical
and
wears
out
we're
finding?
Obviously
that's
lasting
longer.
Now
we've
gone
through
the
process
of
shutting
off
levels
on
ramps
to
try
and
you
know,
save
maintenance
costs.
AF
So,
generally
speaking,
the
the
money
that's
being
asked
for
kind
of
reflects
on
the
the
usage
of
the
ramps.
We
are
forecasting
and
it's
very,
very
difficult
to
forecast
where
covet
is
eventually
going
to
go.
I
mean,
if
I
could
do,
that,
I'd
probably
be
working
somewhere
else,
but
at
the
moment
we're
seeing
a
gradual
return.
AF
We're
we're
seeing
we're
seeing
a
gradual
return
and
we're
reflecting
that
in
the
forecasting
that
we're
doing
so
we
we're
kind
of
believing
or
predicting
at
the
moment
that
by
the
end
of
you
know,
I
would
say
not
not
this:
she
not
this
year
but
the
end
of
next
year.
We
should
be
back
to
where
we
were
that's
our
prediction,
but
we
changed
that
every
month
I
mean
it's,
not
it's
not
a
standing
target,
it's
moving
all
the
time.
AF
So
I
sorry.
The
second
part
is
you
know.
AF
As
far
as
the
the
age
of
the
ramps
goes
yeah,
we
we're,
I
mean,
that's
that's
really
what
we're
looking
at
at
least
well
all
the
time,
and
at
least
once
a
year
we
have
a
report
on
the
age
of
the
ranch
and
their
usage,
and
we
do
look
at
them
in
terms
of
you
know:
net
revenue
against
what
they
you
know,
what
they're
actually
doing
so
we
do
identify
if
there
is
a
situation
where
a
ramp
is
losing
money
and
react
accordingly,
and
that
is
like
that
is
running
it.
AF
Like
a
business,
I
mean
it's
a
matter
of
looking
at
rates
varying
rates
being
competitive.
You
know
seeing
what
we
can
do.
P
Yeah,
so
maybe
my
last
point
is:
has
the
is
the
city
doing
more
of
a
comprehensive
analysis
of
like
not
just
this
one-year
thing?
Is
it
in
good
shape,
but
does
this
fit
within
our
goals?
I
I
personally
believe
that
owning
thousands
of
parking
stalls
to
encourage
people
to
drive
downtown
might
not
fit
the
goals
of
climate
change
and
walking
and
biking,
and
things
like
that.
AF
Right,
well
I
mean
the
information
of
regarding
how
much
money
there
is
coming
in
is
available.
You
know
how
how
well
the
ramps
are
doing
financially
in
terms
of.
Is
there
a
anything
in
place
to
look
at
phasing
them
out?
I'm
not
aware
of
anything
and,
as
I
say
I
can
get,
but
I
can
answer
that
question
in
writing
to
you
next
week
or
whatever,
but
at
the
moment
I
don't
know.
B
You,
scott
matt
matt,
eric
and
steve.
AE
Hi,
thank
you
good
morning,
a
question
around
tr024
the
pedestrian
street
lighting
corridors
project.
So
I
see
that
it
is
guided
by
a
street
lighting
policy
set
in
2015.
It
was
sort
of
based
on
the
pedestrian
master
plan
from
2009.
I'm
wondering
if
that
policy.
AE
You
know
how
dynamic
is
it
in
terms
of
getting
updated
and
in
particular
I'm
thinking
of
two
two
things
that
may
reflect
possible
impacts
on
on
as
it
goes
one
is,
you
know,
obviously,
the
new
pedestrian
priority
corridors
in
the
transportation
action
plan,
I'm
wondering
if
any,
that
new
policy
is
impacting
where
we're
putting
street
lighting
or
upgrading
street
lighting,
and
then
two
I'm
wondering
if,
if
the
department
ever
considers
you
know,
looks
at
the
data
around
break-ins
or
theft
or
other
sort
of
data
points
around
crime
that
occurs
in
some
of
these
cores
and
whether
that
would
weigh
prioritization
of
where
improved
lighting
is
implemented.
AE
I
asked
that
in
part
because
the
I
know
the
businesses
I
work
with
on
lake
street
are
eager
often
to
see
improved
lighting
as
one
measure
of
sort
of
improving
the
feeling
of
safety
for
visitors
and
employees
and
and
for
themselves
so
yeah
matter.
V
Thanks
man
hi
joe
lauren
again
with
the
lighting
group
yeah,
I
appreciate
that
question.
You're,
correct
yeah,
the
2009
access
minneapolis
and
the
roadway
type
characteristics
did
come
into
play
in
forming
the
the
most
recent
version
of
the
streetlight
policy,
which
the
most
recent
version
is
2015
and
the
associated
map
with
that
which
includes
that
corridor
network,
but
yeah,
that's
yeah,
the
pedestrian
priority
network
and
the
transportation
action
plan.
V
Those
are
both
documents
that
we
are
currently
reviewing
and
we
will
look
at
that
information
more
closely
and
and
see
how
or
if
adjustments
need
to
be
made
to
our
current
policy.
So
that's
generally
kind
of
the
order
of
events.
The
guiding
planning
documents
come
out
and
then
we
review
them
and
see
what
changes
may
potentially
be
made
to.
V
You
know
the
current
policy,
so
it's
definitely
possible
that
we
will
make
adjustments
based
on
that
a
lot
of
information
and
that
that
map
that
network-
and
so
it
takes
some
time
to
review
it.
You
know
very
thoroughly
and
and
really
understand,
you
know
what
changes
we
would
recommend
and,
of
course,
any
change
that
we
would
propose
to
the
streetlight
policy.
Would
be
going
through
a
council
approval
council
action,
that's
the
standard
process
there
into
your
second
question
about
crime
and
break-in
and
theft,
and
that
type
of
thing
really
street
lighting.
V
As
we
approach
it
is
kind
of
three
three
levels:
three
layers
of
lighting
downtown
has
the
brightest
lighting,
pedestrian
streetlight
corridors,
which
are
also
you
know
defined
generally,
as
you
know,
busy
arterial
roadways,
that's
kind
of
the
second
layer
of
lighting,
and
then
the
third
layer
is
residential
and
so
three
three
light
types
based
on
you
know.
Activity
of
those
roadways
and
so
lake
street
is
maybe
an
example
of
there's
a
pedestrian
streetlight
corridor,
so
busy
arterial.
So
it
has
it's
kind
of
the
middle
tier
of
lighting.
V
We
have
done
a
couple
test
blocks
of
fixtures
on
that
corridor,
changing
them
to
led
and
there's
been
positive
feedback
and
positive
response
from
from
business
owners
and
other
users
of
that
roadway,
of
course,
the
new
reconstruction
segment
with
35w
from
blaisdell
to
fifth.
I
believe,
if
I
have
the
boundaries
of
that
project
correctly,
those
are
going
to
be
led
as
well
and
then
we're
looking
at
you
know,
as
a
city
converts
lighting
to
led
city-wide
on
the
lake
street
will
of
course
be
part
of
that
plan
in
place.
V
So
as
we
convert
to
led,
we
have
gotten
positive
feedback,
so
I
do
see,
I
guess,
a
long-term
improvement
on
that
street,
specifically
just
for
what
I'll
call
a
more
uniform
lighting,
the
lighting
is
more
evenly
just
distributed.
You
know
across
the
roadway,
and
some
of
it
of
course,
bleeds
into
the
sidewalk
space
and
that
type
of
thing,
but
as
far
as
you
know,
lighting
that
carries
it
over
onto
to
private
property
or
things
like
that.
We
do
as
best
we
can
direct
the
light
towards.
V
You
know
the
public
right
away
in
the
public
space,
so
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
do
much,
for
you
know
the
private,
private
property
and
things
like
that.
So
yeah.
Let
me
know
if
I
missed
anything
there.
AE
M
Okay,
thank
you.
I
don't
know
who
this
question
is,
for
I
have
a
general
question
and
then
I
have
a
specific
question.
The
general
question
is
the
the
the
effectiveness
of
our
street
signs.
One
of
the
things
that's
happened
recently
is
we've
gotten
all
these
20
mile
20
mile
per
hour
signs
in
our
streets
in
our
residential
streets
and
anecdotally
we're
seeing
everybody,
speeding
and
actually
speeding
more
than
they
did
when
it
was
25
and
their
their.
M
The
number
of
illegal
acts
like
passing
on
the
right
has:
has
significa
significantly
increased,
so
I'm
not
too
concerned
about
the
20
miles
per
hour
because
everyone's
ignoring
it
anyway.
My
question
is:
are
you
doing
impact
studies
on
whether
or
not
these
changes
in
signage
and
what
the
sign
is
saying?
Does
it
really
improve
safety?
Does
it
improve
traffic
conditions
so
that
I
don't
know
which
office
does
those
impact
studies
to
see
if
what
they've
done
has
been
efficacious.
AH
Hey
eric
good
morning,
alan
klugman,
again
I'll,
take
a
shot
at
this
there's
a
few
things
in
your
question
there
yeah,
I
see.
The
most
direct
comment
I
want
to
make
is
that,
yes,
we
will
be
doing
kind
of
a
before
and
after
or
impact
studies
referred
to
it
with
the
new
speed
limit
that
legislation
allowed
us
to
do
that.
As
of
late
2019,
we
implemented
that
during
the
course
of
2020.
E
AH
But
I
just
want
to
say
it's
a
rather
broad
program
to
do
an
evaluation,
and
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
time
here,
but
I'll
just
let
you
know
prior
to
the
speed
limit
changes
like
about
20
18
19
thereabouts.
We
did
in
a
very,
very,
very
extensive
study
of
speeds
throughout
the
city,
every
ward,
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
measurements
we
plan
on
doing
those
post
the
speed
limit
change.
Obviously
this
last
year
has
been
kind
of
a
unique
and
challenging
year.
AH
So
we
need
to
kind
of
let
things
settle
down,
and
I
just
want
to
comment
that
the
signing
is
really
only
part
of
that
overall
program
of
you
know
everything
from
changing
the
speed
limits,
signing
it.
Cultural
awareness,
education.
So
much
more
to
come
on
that,
but
I
think
most
directly
to
your
question
I
want
to
let
you
know
we
are
evaluating
the
impact
and
results
of
changing
the
speed
limits.
M
Okay,
great,
thank
you.
So
that's
the
first
question
I
have
the
second
is
more
specific.
There
is
an
intersection
which
you
may
be
aware
of
44th
pen
and
where
osseo
comes
together
and
we
we
normally
have
the
car
driving
to
the
building
once
a
week
and
and
it's
a
very
treacherous
intersection.
M
I
I
know
the
solutions
that
people
have
been
talking
about
and
you've
executed
on
is
to
put
up
more
signs
and
I'm
I'm
not
sure,
that's
going
to
be
solved
by
you
know
ordinance
or
laws
of
man.
It's
going
to
be
the
laws
of
physics
that
that
wins,
this
one.
How?
AI
Well,
eric
I'm
bill
prince
with
traffic
and
I'll
touch
base
on
this
one.
Currently,
the
44th
and
weber
section
is
being
reconstructed
by
the
county,
so
there's
going
to
be
narrower
roadway
overall
and
they're
planning.
AI
You
know
transit-related
improvements
as
well
and
then
in
22
or
23
ossio
road
will
be
reconstructed
by
the
county
and
they're
going
to
have
a
lot
narrower
roadways
with
you
know,
medians,
to
separate
the
two
traffic
directions
for
the
most
part
and
they'll
also
be
you
know,
adding
increased
bicycle
and
pedestrian
improvements,
wider
sidewalks
bike
trail.
AI
So
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
geometric
changes
to
that
area
in
the
next
few
years,
with
the
county-led
reconstruction
projects,
osseo
and
weber,
parkway
or
both
and
penn,
for
that
matter
are
all
county
roads,
so
they
are
being
pretty
proactive
in
in
rebuilding
the
roadways
over
the
next
few
years.
So,
though,
there's
hopefully
will
be
some
improvements
that
you'll
notice
there
and.
M
Yeah
yeah,
so
the
choke
points
that
we've
seen
created
have
resulted
in
people
passing
buses
on
they
passed
to
the
left
on
buses
and
they
come
head
on
to
the
car
coming
in
the
other
direction.
That's
not
the
sort
of
thing
you
would
be
looking
at.
That's
the
county's
job
well,.
AI
What
we're
look,
what
our
new
standard
is,
is
to
have
a
hardened
center
line
adjacent
to
the
in-lane
bus
stops
that
will
be
kind
of
a
raised
curb
that
will
hopefully
provide
a
barrier
for
the
traffic
to
prevent
them
from
going
into
the
opposing
lane,
and
I
think
the
county
is
looking
at
adding
one
at
penn
and
plymouth.
I
think
that
was
where
we.
E
AI
Noticed
this
phenomena
taking
place
and
so
they're
going
to
be
addressing
that
later
this
year
as
part
of
a
rebuild
of
penn
avenue
next
to
the
north
point,
health
building
projects
so.
M
AH
And
eric
real,
quick,
alan
klickman
again,
I
just
want
to
add
one
thing
to
what
bill
said.
Although
you
know
that's
a
county
facility
up
there
and
they're
the
lead
agency-
and
I
think
you
know
this
budgets
repeat
it-
we're
we
partner
with
them
on
those
projects
and
you
know
clearly
look
out
for
the
city's
interests.
The
neighborhood
concerns,
like
you
just
referenced,
so
the
county
obviously,
is
the
lead
agency,
but
we're
very
much
at
the
table
on
those
projects.
N
When
I
bike
on
the
parkway
or
on
the
adjacent
path,
I
have
lights
because
state
law
requires
me
to
have
lights
after
dark
when
I'm
a
pedestrian
on
the
park
on
the
parkway
paths,
I
don't
have
lights
they're
not
required
by
law.
So
it
strikes
me
that
in
placing
lights
and
in
even
rotating
them
on
the
pole,
the
highest
priority
should
be
given
along
parkways
to
pedestrian
paths
as
opposed
to
bike
paths
or
the
parkway
driving
surface.
N
V
Yeah
joel
joe
lauren
again
here
with
with
traffic
lighting
yeah.
I
understand
definitely
what
you're
saying
the
pole
is
kind
of
a
dual
use.
You
know
lighting
the
road
and
the
path,
and
so
definitely
I
see
that
both
perspectives
on
on
you
know
lighting
them.
You
know
evenly
or
one
more
than
the
other.
The
other
maybe
item
just
to
keep
in
mind.
Is
you
know
where
these
paths
intersect,
the
roadways
and
you're
crossing
crossing
the
street?
You
know
also
it
being
more
of
a
roadway.
V
You
know
oriented
pole,
you
know
kind
of
better
covers
those
intersection
crossings
which
of
course,
would
be.
You
know
a
safety
thing
for
for
when
you're
up
on
an
off
street
path
up
above
the
curb
you
know,
we
want
to
make
sure
we
capture
those
crossings,
and
so
that's
maybe
another
reason
to
why
these
are
more
roadway
facing
lights
in
general.
V
Of
course,
there
are
some
paths
that
are
further
back
off
the
roadway,
and
if
that
is
the
case
and
they
have
lighting,
then
that's
a
park
board
trail
light
and
they
they
want
to
maintain
those.
So
the
parkway
lighting
project
tr8,
which
the
program
which
I
should
say
you
know
that
is
that
is
the
roadway
side
of
the
of
the
lighting
and
it
does
not
include,
I
guess,
the
more
off
street
trails,
but
I'm
definitely
appreciate
the
additional
input.
B
My
concern
is
safety
more
than
convenience,
that
the
train
is
entering
the
intersection.
As
the
light
turns
green,
and
I
know
that
there
are
some
folks
myself
guilty
at
times
who
are
looking
at
their
phone
as
a
pedestrian
and
not
concentrating
on
surroundings
or
have
earbuds
as
well
as
drivers
who
may
be
in
attentive
or
other.
You
know,
multi-modal
drivers,
so
that,
I
would
say
anecdotally
has
not
been
adjusted.
B
AH
Yeah,
listen
al
quackman
I'll
start
with
this
and
I'll
ask
my
colleagues
to
join
in.
AH
Obviously
if
they
want
to
hit
anything
so
kind
of
two
questions
are
the
first
one
relative
to
the
timing
of
the
lrt
vehicle
is
kind
of
passing
through
the
grid
and
you
know
being
there
as
the
light
kind
of
turns
red-
and
I
do
recall
this
question
last
year-
and
I
remember
we
followed
up
with
our
operations
team
and
we
also
used
some
train
expert
consultants
who
work
with
us
on
a
yearly
basis
relative
to
the
operation
who
are
not
on
staff.
AH
He
uses
contractors
and
I
guess
what
I'll
do
is
commit
to
look
at
this
again.
This
is
one
of
the
challenges
we
have.
I
think
we
talked
about
this
last
time
that,
with
the
timing
of
the
lrts
and
progressing
them
from
station
to
station,
you
know
which
is
kind
of
our
first
priority
with
the
downtown
timing.
It's
a
really
I'll,
say
tight
timing
system
and
grid
to
try
to
get
everything
through
and
if
the
train
driver
goes
a
bit
slower,
there's
a
little
bit
slow
on
the
uptake
when
they
leave
the
station.
AH
They
sometimes
kind
of
get
out
of
that.
What
we
call
that
coordination
band
or
that
movement
that
gets
them
through
from
station
to
station
without
violating
signals
and-
and
you
know
again,
we'll
just
continue
to
look
at
this
work
with
metro,
transit
and
educating
their
drivers.
AH
The
signals
are
timed
so
that
they
can
progress
from
station
to
station
without
doing
what
you're,
seeing
again
it's
either.
If
the
train
driver
is
a
little
bit
slow
or
sometimes
maybe
they
see
a
pedestrian
who's
nearby
and
they
kind
of
slow
down
a
bit
or
a
pedestrian
crosses,
mid
block
or
something,
and
so
sometimes
that's
what
causes
it
and
and
the
drivers
are
kind
of
just
kind
of
tend
to
keep
progressing
so
we'll
check
into
that.
AH
Maybe
send
you
a
report
of
of
what
our
observations
and
follow-on
are
on
the
second
one.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
understood
it
and
I
think
what
you're
referring
to
are
the
some
of
the
private
parking
ramps
that
come
out
onto
the
downtown
grid.
It
signalized
intersections
and
and
kind
of
become
like
a
leg
of
an
intersection,
so
to
speak
and
pretty
much
our
entire
downtown
grid
operates
in
what
we
call
a
fixed
time
or
pre-timed
system,
where
the
signal
kind
of
goes:
north,
south,
east,
west,
north
south
east
west.
AH
It's
set
up
to
allow
enough
time
for
pedestrians
to
cross
for
any
and
all
signal
cycles
when
a
pedestrian's
there,
and
we
do
have
times
where
the
you
know,
the
light
will
turn
and
even
if
there's,
not
a
pedestrian
in
our
car,
it
has
to
serve
its
time
or
there's
enough
time
to
serve
see
a
few
cars
and
if
only
one
comes
up,
that's
always
served.
AH
So
it's
just
part
of
that,
I
think,
is
the
nature
of
a
downtown
grid
and
again
we're
providing
time
for
the
pedestrians
to
cross
and
when
there's
no
pedestrian
there
for
a
certain
cycle,
and
maybe
that's
what
you're.
Seeing
if
not.
Please
tell
me
if
I'm
saying
this
wrong,
but
when
there's
not
a
pedestrian
there,
we
kind
of
have
that
empty
signal
syndrome.
If
you
will,
where
it
looks
like
we've
turned
the
light
green
for
one
direction.
We
stopped
the
opposite
one
and
kind
of
no
one's
benefiting.
B
P
I
think
this
is
where
the
audible
pedestrian
signals.
The
aps
signals
maybe
would
be
included.
I'm
wondering
if
I'm
assuming
this
is
alan.
Maybe
that
would
talk
about
this.
P
AH
Yep,
so
hey
scott
good
morning,
allen,
again,
maybe
I'll
start
and
I'll
ask
ryan
anderson
to
team
up
with
me
if
he
has
more
info
so
the
last
time
that
we
did
a
tally
that
I'm
aware
of
I'll
say
was
about
a
year
ago
or
close
to
a
year
ago,
and
we
were
closing
in
on
40
percent
of
our
800
signals
have
full
aps,
so
the
ada
ramps
and
the
aps
so
40
times
eight
so
about
320.
I
think
we're
up
to
about
350.
AH
Now
in
terms
of
the
transition
plan,
we
kind
of
have
a
two-part
approach.
That's
got
one
part,
is
you
know,
just
the
ongoing
capital
program
for
roadway
projects,
both
their
own
and
partner
agencies
like
midnight
of
their
county?
A
lot
of
signals
get
rebuilt
through
that
mechanism.
Another
time.
Another
way
where
we
address
signals
is
with
like
say,
a
pavement.
We
have
which
isn't
a
full
construction
program,
but
it's
you
know
we
have
the
pavement.
Do
the
ramp
cars,
the
ada
ramps
and
the
aps?
AH
That's
another
one,
and
then
we
do
some
standalone
aps
upgrades
those
are
kind
of
difficult
I'll.
Just
say
in
that
it
tends
to
be
kind
of
infra
nickel
in
for
a
dollar
when
we
try
to
do
little
upgrades
for
aps.
Sometimes
we
have
to
do
so
much
construction
around
the
signals
because
of
the
age
and
the
condition
that
we
can't
just
go
in
and
add
the
aps.
AH
We
actually
have
to
replace
the
whole
signal,
so
it
becomes
a
signal
replacement,
but
so
we
kind
of
have
about
three
different
mechanisms
that
we
look
to
through
and
you're
right,
it's
through
tier
21,
which
is
a
signal
upgrade.
You
know
where
we
are
doing
the
aps
and
kind
of
like
similar
to
our
our
corner,
ramp,
ada,
upgrade
program.
AH
You
know
we're
realistically
in
a
20
or
20
plus
year
time
frame
just
because
of
budget
availability,
but
we
do
have
a
plan
to
you
know
to
continue
working
on
those
and
I'll
just
say
anecdotally
in
terms
of
referencing
peer
cities.
AH
I
guess
I
don't
have
hard
statistics
for
you
other
than
to
know.
I
don't
know
of
many
cities
that
are
very
far
ahead
of
us
in
terms
of
percent
of
signals
that
they've
converted-
and
I
know
many
many
signals
that
are
far
behind
us
in
terms
of
percent.
P
So
can
I
another
related
thing:
what
are
commonly
known
as
big
buttons,
the
push
buttons
where
you
have
to
ask
for
permission
to
cross
the
street
we've
been
told
when
I
was
on
the
pedestrian
advisory
committee
that
it
was
they
were
so
necessary
and
then
last
year,
during
the
pandemic,
I
think
they
all
got
shut
off.
P
AH
Yeah
so
sure
so
kind
of
maybe
a
two-party
answer
to
that
scott.
It
and
let
me
start
with
the
impact-
and
I
think
if
your
question
was
impact
on
an
ada
transition
plan.
The
answer
is,
no,
you
know
we're
committed
to
the
buttons
for
the
88
functionality,
regardless
of
how
we
operate
the
signal
and
kind
of
what
scott's
referring
to
is.
AH
Many
of
our
signals,
like
I
reference,
the
downtown
ones,
are
what
we
call
pre-timed
where
automatically
the
signal
goes.
You
know
from
north
south
to
east
west
north-south,
east-west
the
pedestrian
indication
comes
up
with
every
cycle.
There's
no
need
to
push
a
button
in
the
old
days
for
those
signals
like
downtown.
We
didn't
even
have
buttons
now,
of
course,
we
have
buttons
for
the
ada
aspect,
so
we're
going
to
continue
to
put
out
you
know
ada
buttons,
compliant
buttons
and
any
and
all
signals,
regardless
of
how
we
operate
them,
then
kind
of
part.
AH
One
of
scott's
question
was
more
the
operational
philosophy.
We
could
spend
a
whole
bunch
of
time
on
there,
but
I'll
be
brief.
If,
if,
if
we
make
it
so
a
car
has
to
hit
a
detector
loop
or
a
pedestrian
has
to
hit
a
button
to
to
call
up
the
signal
phase
bottom
line
from
a
pure
signal,
functionality
and
traffic
efficiency,
point
of
view,
that's
probably
the
most
efficient
way
in
terms
of
how
we
allocate
time,
we
don't
turn
on
a
movement
unless
a
person
or
vehicle
is
there.
AH
From
a
philosophical
point
of
view,
we're
moving
more
towards
the
philosophy
that
says
at
many
or
most
intersections
in
the
city.
The
pedestrian
signal
will
come
up
every
cycle.
AH
We
sort
of
jump
started
that
process
last
spring
when
the
pandemic
hit,
and
we
wanted
to
make
it
so
that
most
signals
people
didn't
have
to
push
a
button.
The
walk
would
just
come
up
automatically
and
just
real
quickly
I'll
say
we
did
it
at
most,
not
all
signals.
We
have
some
very,
very
complex
signals
with
competing
movements.
AH
Lrt
vehicles
like
we
talked
about
and
there's
just
not
enough
time
there
to
necessarily
call
up
the
pedestrian
if
no
one's
there,
because
we
can't
fit
it
all
in
the
cycle
or
we
take
away
from
a
transit
movement
or
something.
So
it's
not
all
signals,
but
it's
most
of
them
that
we
turn
to
the
automatic
pedestrian
recall
as
we
call
it
and
my
senses
we've
not
made
a
formal
decision,
scott,
my
senses.
AH
We
will
keep
most
of
those
with
this
automatic
ped
treatment,
because
that
fits
with
the
transportation
action
plan
and
our
guiding
philosophies
we'll
probably
scale
back
a
few
of
them
kind
of
like
I
referred
to
where
the
very
very
complex
operations
and
it's
just
a
difficult
way
to
allocate
the
time
if,
like,
for
example,
hiawatha
avenue,
highway
55
also
highway
those
kinds
of
roads
very,
very
long
time
for
a
pedestrian
to
cross
the
street.
AH
If
there's
not
a
pedestrian
there
and
you
bring
up
the
ped
signal
every
time,
there's
a
certain
inefficiency
there
that
leads
to
unsafe
condition
and
things
like
that,
stopping
other
cars.
I
know
I
get
too
much
into
the
operations
other
than
to
say
you
know
we
will
look
to
post
coven
whenever
that
is
to
revisit
this,
but
I
think
most
will
stay
the
way.
The
way
they're
operating
today.
P
So
my
last
comment
is
that
I
would
love
for
you
to
update
the
cbr.
P
I've
noticed
this
it's
my
second
year
on
the
click
that
the
cbrs
are
often
just
the
same
thing
with
new
numbers,
and
I
would
love
for
you
to
take
a
look
at
that
for
next
year
and
add
some
of
this
information
that
you've
talked
about
here,
that
maybe
you
keep
track
of
the
aps
and
every
year
maybe
we
can
follow
it.
J
P
AH
And
again,
I
just
say
it
from
a
personal
professional
level
too.
I'm
really
proud
of
the
work,
our
group's
done
the
last
five
ten
years
and
you
know
how
we've
gotten
from
you
know
gone
from
virtually
no
aps
signals
to
you
know
40
percent
or
more
out
there
today.
So
we're
happy
to
share
that
info
and
I
think
we're
pretty
proud
of
our
progress.
B
Yeah,
thank
you,
scott
and
alan.
A
reminder.
People
comments
in
the
chat.
The
public
cannot
see
com
questions
can
be
emailed
to
click
at
minneapolism
or
just
use
the
raise
hand,
amelia
put
a
link
to
a
parking
fund,
revenues
comparison,
we
have
in
queue
and-
and
we
may
have
to
be
winding
up
the
at
this
part
of
it
katie
john
and
robert
and
then
sonya
has
a
question
she
put
in
the
chat.
B
Q
Hi
sorry,
yes,
I
am
here.
I
was
anyway.
I
had
two
questions.
One
is
related
to
education
and
the
other
one
is
related
to
the
the
signaling,
and
this
may
not
be
quite
the
right
group
to
talk
to,
but
I
think
it
is
so
and
apologies.
If
this
question
has
already
been
asked,
I
had
to
step
away
from
the
meeting
for
a
little
bit
so
for
the
I
guess
for
the
signaling
to
start.
I
know
there.
Q
Q
But
given
that
that's
not
laws
or
guidelines,
you
know
what
prevents
the
city
from
trying
things
like
that,
especially
given
that
our
really
ambitious
new
transportation
action
plan.
Q
So
that's
my
first
question
and
then
my
second
question
is
noting
the
wonderful
transportation
action
plan
and
some
of
the
comments
I'm
already
hearing
from
from
folks,
noting
that
a
number
of
late
or
a
number
of
roads
are
going
to
reduce
and
be
in
lane
number
or
narrow,
and
things
like
that
folks
are
starting
to
hear
about
or
starting
to
be
worried
about
traffic
moving
to
the
interior
of
neighborhoods
and
I'm
wondering
how
public
works,
and
maybe
this
is
a
question.
Q
Maybe
I
should
have
asked
for
jenny
to
be
more
proactive
around
discussing
things
like
induced
demand.
I
I
just
I
have
this
feeling.
That's
going
to
be
really
difficult
for
public
works
to
roll
out
the
transportation
action
plan.
If
there's
not
like
thorough
education
around,
you
know
these
traffic
principles
that
that
we
know
exist
and
that
the
public
just
may
not
be
aware.
AH
T
The
near
side
head,
so
I've
heard
this
question
at
click
before,
as
well
as
on
a
recent
project,
and
I
think
it's
bryant
that
you
know
if
we
had
only
near
side
heads
that
that
some
folks
are
thinking
that
would
be
safe.
I
think
there
are
counter
arguments
to
that
methodology
and
I've
been
talking
with
ethan
our
vision,
zero
safety,
expert
and
wheeler.
T
I'm
still
kicking
it
around,
but
I
say
we're
leaning
toward
not
highlighting
any
near
side
only
installations
of
those
things
I'd
be
happy
to
follow
up
with
you.
If
you
have
additional
questions
on
that.
B
Okay,
john.
E
AH
I
don't
want
to
keep
the
can
down
the
road
that
might
be
a
little
bit
more.
You
reference
jenny,
hager
in
the
transportation
planning
group,
maybe
a
little
bit
more
in
there,
but
I'll
just
tell
you
our
group.
It's
more
operations,
people,
not
the
capital,
people,
necessarily
that
you're
seeing
today
we
do
get
involved
with
neighborhood
traffic
management,
neighborhood
safety,
circulation
impacts
from
other
projects.
So
just
quickly
I'll
tell
you.
AH
We
are
aware
of
this,
we're
cognizant
of
it
that
if
we
reduce
some
of
the
throughput
or
capacity
of
called
the
arterials
or
main
roads,
there
may
be
spillover
into
the
neighborhoods.
We
are
looking
at
things
like
traffic
calming
measures,
those
sorts
of
things-
that's
probably
more
tactical.
I
think
you're
common
on
induced
demand
is
probably
more
policy
and
strategic
and
education,
and
possibly
more
in
the
transportation,
planning
and
programming
area
of
our
of
our
department.
Q
Okay,
thank
you.
Maybe
I'll
just
write
a
question
to
the
jenny
in
her
her
area,
then,
on
that.
B
We
haven't
done
water
yet,
but
I
think
we're
getting
close
if
we
maybe
take
one
more
question
on
traffic
all
right
just
can
you
please
stand
for?
Yes,
absolutely,
let's,
let's
get
robert
and
then
sonya's
question.
O
I
I
can
delay
until
after
sanya's
question.
I
was
just
gonna,
give
a
time
check
for
the
group.
I
Yes,
thank
you.
I
wanted
to
see
if
someone
could
address
left-hand
turns
and
the
use
of
dedicated
left-hand
turn
signals
on
major
arteries
where
there
isn't
a
dedicated
left-hand
turn
lane.
I
T
Well,
I
can
kick
it
off
at
the
beginning.
I
know
lake
street
as
well
as
hennepin,
and
have
a
lot
of
pm
and
am
turned
restrictions
just
for
that
very
nature
that
the
queues
returning
would
just
clog
up
the
road.
I
have
not
heard
a
lot
of
chatter
about
just
banning
the
left.
24
7.
have
you
alex
with
the
hennepin
projects.
AH
No,
no,
we
haven't
you
know.
As
ryan
said,
we
strategically
do
it
by
peak
hours,
there's
a
few
locations
so,
for
example,
hennepin
southbound
approaching
franklin
where
we
do
not
allow
left
turns
because
it's
kind
of
a
24
hour
sort
of
thing
but
yeah
as
ryan
said.
We
kind
of
do
it
selectively
by
hours
on
some
of
the
road
project,
rebuilds
I'll,
just
gen
generally
say
like.
AH
If
we
look
at
a
four
to
three
conversion
that
gives
us
an
opportunity
for
left
turn
pocket
where
we
go
like
say
from
two
lanes
north
and
two
lane
south
to
one
lane.
North
one
lane
south
and
a
middle
left
turn
lane,
and
then
we
kind
of
had
that
exclusive
space
for
left
turn.
So
that's
a
little
bit
of
a
trend
we're
seeing
on
some
projects
that
we've
done
or
that
the
county's
done
are
looking
at.
So
you
know
again
a
difficult
thing
with
our
grid.
We
want
to
provide
some
left
turn
movement
and
access.
AH
You
know
if
we
don't
allow
them
at
one
place,
we
sometimes
do
see
them
cutting
through
the
neighborhoods
and
then
just
real
quickly.
I'll
say
we
have
done
some
kind
of
fancy
things
with
signalization,
where
I
think
we
do
it,
for
example,
at
central
avenue
and
university
northeast,
where
even
where
we
don't
have
a
left
turn
pocket
will
kind
of
vary.
Some
of
the
signal
timing,
so
that
one
of
the
approaches
gets
a
what
we
call
a
leading
left
turn
arrow,
along
with
the
green
ball
to
at
least
clear
out.
AH
Some
of
the
left
turns
if
that's
the
predominant
direction,
so
we
kind
of
we
tie
our
operational
strategy
into
the
geometry,
that's
available
and
try
to
come
up
with
our
best
answers.
So
just
a
that
is
a
bit
of
a
challenge.
I
kind
of
acknowledge
what
you're
saying
there
great.
B
Thank
you,
robert
go
to
robert
and
then
john.
O
Yeah
jeff,
I
I
was
just
hoping
to
jump
in
you
know
again
we're
at
around
11
30.
This
is
scheduled
to
include
by
12
20,
and
you
know,
we've
got
the
directors
for
storm
and
sanitary
sewer,
water,
infrastructure
and
fleet
with
us
at
this
time.
I
don't
know
if
there's
additional
questions
or
comments
for
the
traffic
and
parking
services
division,
though
I
know
john's,
got
his
hand
up.
John
has
water.
B
I
believe
I'm
there's
no
objection.
Let's
move
on
because
we
do
have
the
three
remaining
topic
areas
so
can
we
do
we
basically
have
15
minutes
for
each
each
area
or
if
we
want
to
do,
can
we
do
storm
and
sanitary
and
water
infrastructure
for
the
national.
O
Let
me
welcome
to
the
to
the
meeting
we
have
director
johnson
and
I
believe
we
have
liz
stout
with
us
as
well
from
storm
and
sanitary
sewer
yeah.
I
think
at
this
point
we
have
a
few.
We
have
a
few
new
click
members.
We
may
have
some
new
staff
on
the
call
as
well
so
I'd
like
to
if
director
johnson's
still
with
us
turn
the
turn
the
call
over
to
director
johnson
for
some
brief
introductions
and
to
the
extent
that
click
members
have
questions,
and
that
would
be.
AJ
Sure
great,
thank
you
robert.
This
is
stephanie
johnson,
I'm
the
director
of
surface
water
and
sewers.
I've
got
three
staff
with
me
today,
associated
with
the
programs
that
we've
got
before
you.
We've
got
nine
programs
total
within
our
within
our
capital,
work
three
associated
with
our
sanitary
sewer
system
and
six
associated
with
our
storm
sewer
system.
F
Hi
I'm
kevin
danan.
I
represent
sa001
sw011
and
sw040,
I'm
an
engineer
with
surface
water
and
sewers.
I
am
the
engineer
in
charge
of
our
operations
division.
We
maintain
and
construct
the
storm
and
sanitary
sewers.
B
G
G
Okay,
so
this
is
a
question
on
water12.
Actually,
this
is
gonna,
be
a
series
of
questions,
so
go
through
them
in
order
this
specifically
on
water
12,
which
is
the
water
distribution
improvement
project,
which
is
probably
more
accurately
described
as
a
program
than
a
project.
G
Right
I
mean
this
is
addressing
issues
all
through
the
system,
all
across
the
city,
which
leads
to
my
first
question,
which
is,
I
assume,
you've,
got
some
kind
of
an
inventory
that
you
use
to
assess
the
entire
water
infrastructure
and
decide
where
to
put
that
9
million
dollars
each
year,
and
I'm
wondering
if
that's
something
or
I'm
requesting
that
that
inventory
be
shared
with
us.
Is
that
something
you
can
do.
AM
So
I
would
offer,
if
you
haven't
had
a
chance
to,
I
tried
to
explain
kind
of
where
we're
at
in
our
asset
management
program.
In
my
presentation,
if
you
have
some
time
to
go
back
and
watch
the
first,
eight
minutes
or
nine
minutes
of
that,
or
so
what
we're
doing
with
the
water
distribution
system
in
particular,
is
we
are
doing
hydrant
flow
analysis.
So
what
that
tells
us
is
when
hydrant
flows
in
a
given
location
are
less
than
expected
from
our
hydraulic,
hydraulic,
modeling
and
pipe
capacity
expectations.
AM
That
indicates
that
the
pipes
are
in
fact
have
that
mineral
deposit
in
them
than
our
target
for
cleaning
and
lining
so
part
of
our
challenges
in
the
past
hasn't.
Has
we
really
relied
just
on
water
quality
complaints
to
kind
of
understand
where
there's
issues
in
the
system?
This
comprehensive
testing,
we're
doing
it
in
literally
in
a
grid
manner
across
the
entire
system,
gives
us
objective
data
that
shows
kind
of
what
those
flow
deviations
are.
AM
And
then
we
can
look
at
that
data
and
group
projects
or
figure
out
linear
footage
based
on
proximate
areas
of
challenge,
to
identify
where
we
can
do
those
cleaning
and
mining
projects.
So
we've
tested
about
half
the
city,
we're
testing
the
remaining
half
of
the
city
this
year,
the
fire
hydrants
to
come
up
with
exactly
what
you're.
Looking
at
what
you're
looking
for
right
now,
but
as
it
is
right
now,
there's
no
single
document.
That's
that
lists.
Every
thousand.
You
know
every
foot
of
distribution
pipe
in
the
city.
AM
The
thousand
miles
of
pipe
by
pipe
segment
is
not
listed
in
any
sort
of
document
such
as
that
it
would
be
more
of
a
map
of
prioritization
areas
and
then,
obviously
that
those
areas,
because
they're
working
the
right
way,
need
to
be
coordinated
with
street
improvement
projects
and
other
public
works
priorities
to
make
sure
we're
not
going
back
into
areas
that
have
just
been
paved,
and
things
like
that.
So
we
do
coordinate
with
the
overall
public
works
program
in
the
right
of
way
in
the
areas
so.
G
So
I'll
go
back
and
look
at
that
again,
I
guess
I
would
request
that
you
share
with
us
in
writing.
It
sounds
like
you've
got
that
half
done
if
you
could
share
what
you've
got,
including
some
numbers
about
what
the
total
estimated
cost
of
all
this
is
so
that
the
nine
million
dollars
per
year
you're
requesting
has
some
context
for
us.
Maybe
we'll
think
you
guys
should
asking
for
18
million,
and
I
realize
there's
lots
of
issues
around
that
about
capacity.
AM
G
We
have
no
way
to
do
that,
so
you
can
look
at
some
of
the
paving
cbrs
if
you
need
a
that,
they
in
particular
have
a
couple
of
programs
that
are
city-wide
where
they
show
us
color-coded
year
by
year,
on
a
map,
so
we
can
see
on
the
city
where,
where
the
work's
being
done
so,
if
you
could
do
that,
that
would
be
great,
then.
My
final
thing
is
a
little
bit
more
specific.
G
As
a
result
of
having
inadvertently
shared
my
phone
number
on
one
of
our
public
meetings,
I
was
it
turned
out
to
be
a
thing.
I
was
actually
contacted
very
respectfully
by
a
city
resident
probably
about
a
month
ago
about
an
issue
he's
having
in
his
neighborhood,
and
I
encourage
him
to
go
to
our
public
input
meeting,
which
he
did
this
past
wednesday
evening,
and
so
I
just
want
to
ask
about
this,
and
I
don't
not
trying
to
catch
you
off
guard.
So
this
is
something
you
want
to
respond
to
in
writing.
G
Out
later,
that's
totally
fine.
The
issue
is
around
dead-end
water
means,
and
he
shared
quite
a
bit
of
information
with
me,
including
a
city-wide
map
of
dead,
end
water
machines,
and
I
was
actually
there's
quite
a
few
of
them
around
the
city
and
he
explained
some
of
the
issues
they're
having.
I
realized
that,
to
a
certain
extent,
this
may
be
viewed
as
a
as
a
water,
aesthetic
problem
and
not
a
water
quality
problem.
He
did
raise
some
interesting
points
that
seemed
fair
to
me.
G
Grant
I'm
not
an
engineer
on
this
stuff,
but
the
fact
that
when
there's
a
high
level
of
particulate
matter
in
the
water
on
an
ongoing
basis
that
does
impact
certain
implicants
in
a
house
whether
it's
sneakers,
dishwashers,
whatever-
and
I
know
the
city
uses
this
automatic
flushing
system
to
try
to
deal
with
this
problem
from
what
I
understand
it
sounds
like.
Maybe
you
need
to
do
a
little
bit
more
than
that,
like
perhaps
realigning
pipes
in
those
areas.
G
B
N
N
N
Having
damage
to
your
appliances
like
your
water,
heater
and
various
other
appliances,
is
a
real
expense,
it's
more
than
an
inconvenience,
and
I
think
that
we
need
better
notification
of
property
owners
for
when
mains
are
flushed,
so
they
can.
People
can
avoid
the
water
use
during
that
time,
and
I
think
these
streets
should
be
a
priority
for
relining
mains,
because
they're,
I
learned
a
new
term
from
this
homeowner
they're
tuberculous.
P
P
That's
going
on
is
working
towards
understanding
the
system
and
then
coming
up
with
a
plan
to
address
it,
and
so
you
know
we
just
had
the
the
other
public
works
divisions
on
previously
and
I
feel
like
they
are
not
doing
this
when
it
comes
to
sidewalks
and
pedestrian
ramps
and
traffic
signals,
and
I
would
love
for
your
divisions
to
sort
of
meet
up
and
collaborate
because
they
don't
seem
to
be
able
to
answer
questions
about
when,
when
the
city
will
actually
finish
up
with
or
even
have
a
good
estimate
of
when
they
all
have
data
to
comply
with
the
americans
with
disabilities
act.
AB
Yes,
I
concur
with
scott
that
I
really
appreciated
staff's
presentations.
The
video
presentations
they're
very,
very
helpful
and,
having
been
through
this
a
few
years,
it
gets
more
understandable
each
time.
AB
AM
I'll
speak
for
water.
We
have
our
treatment
campuses,
there's
actually
two
large
treatment
campuses
one
is
in
the
city
of
fridley,
it's
located
on
the
mississippi
river
north
of
the
camden
bridge,
that's
where
we
have
our
raw
water
intakes
and
major
pre-treatment
processes
as
well
as
a
filtration
plant.
We
have
a
second
treatment
campus
up
in
the
columbia
city
of
columbia
heights,
that's
actually
the
original
treatment
campus
from
the
turn
of
the
last
century,
and
then
we
also
have
some
finished
water
storage
actually
located
in
the
city
of
new
brighton.
AM
AJ
System,
I'd
be
happy
to
address
that
question
for
surface
water
and
sewers,
so
our
operations
and
maintenance
staff
are
based
out
of
the
hiawatha
facility
in
south
minneapolis,
so
we've
got
about
110
staff
who
work
out
of
that
location.
That's
where
our
maintenance
vehicles
are
housed
and
all
the
work
that
we
do
associated
with
that.
AJ
Those
are
those
are
the
staff
that
again
is
associated
with
the
project
to
expand
the
hiawatha
campus.
That
would
allow
those
staff
to
move
then
down
to
the
hiawatha
facility.
AG
AG
Is
there
a
I
mean
it
sounds
like
the
city
has
a
pretty
serious
staff
to
maintain
and
construct
water
infrastructure?
Is
there?
Are
there
also
subcontractors,
I'm
just
wondering
how
we
get
to
some
of
these
numbers
for
requests?
I
mean,
are
we
and
that
question
is
also
tied
together
with
just
the
general
labor
market
and
how
difficult
it's
been
and
how
much
that's
impacting
like
costs?
I
guess,
are
we
subcon?
AG
AM
So
we
have
actually
evolved
over
I'd,
say
the
past
decade
moved
on
from,
and
I
guess
one
point
I
want
to
make:
is
the
water
mains
in
minneapolis
actually
are
structurally
very
sound,
they're
very
robust
old,
strong
cast
iron
pipes
buried
very
deep,
so
we
actually
have
very
low
water
main
breakage
rates
compared
to
other
utilities.
The
challenge
we
have
is
those
cast
iron
pipes
tuberculate
as
another
click
member
spoke
about
and
that's
where
the
mineral
deposits,
and
it
actually
kind
of,
is
rust
buildup
inside
the
pipes.
AM
So
our
main
course
of
rehabilitation
is
what
we
call
cleaning
and
lining
and
that's
where
we
actually
go
and
scrape
the
pipes
and
then
put
in
a
cement
a
portable
grade,
cement
liner
in
that
to
prevent
that
tuberculation
to
prevent
that
mineral
deposit
from
coming
back.
So
our
main
goal
in
wtr-12
in
particular,
we
do
need
to
spend
about
on
the
order
of
two
to
three
million
a
year
for
hydrant
replacements
valve
replacements.
AM
Those
are
basically
it's
more
cost
effective
just
to
replace
those
and
try
to
rehabilitate
those
the
rest
of
it
goes
to
cleaning
and
lining
for
the
most
part
and
over
the
years.
What
we've
learned
is
it's
best
for
city
crews,
to
handle
things
like
the
temporary
water
hookups.
How
do
we
keep
water
flowing
into
the
houses
when
we're
cleaning
and
lining
in
it?
AM
We've
done
some
of
the
excavation
work,
but
basically
we
go
out
to
bid
every
year
for
the
actual
cleaning
and
lining,
and
these
are
where
these
pipe
rehabilitation
contractors
have
come
in
and
just
relative
with,
you
know,
kind
of
the
state
of
the
water
infrastructure
across
the
country.
AM
These
types
of
contractors
are
really
getting
their
getting
their
act
together.
It's
a
competitive
market.
There's
a
lot
of
needs
across
the
country
for
this,
so
we
actually
bid
it
out
any
given
project.
AM
You
know
obviously,
there's
economies
of
scale
the
more
you
line,
the
lower
the
mobilization
costs
and
you
know
the
less
per
linear
foot.
It
is
so
that's
part
of
what
we
need
to
manage
understanding,
how
many
holes
we
need
to
dig
what
the
traffic
control
provisions
are.
Those
types
of
things
all
those
go
into
it
so
with
where
we're
at
now.
This
will
be
the
third
year
where
I'm
going
to
say
we're
digging
the
holes
and
the
contractors
are
lining
the
pipe
we're
refining
that
cost
estimate.
AM
Then
that's
going
to
cost
us
x
million
dollars,
but
we're
working
we're
working
towards
that
but
kind
of
to
the
crux
of
your
question:
we
do
competitively
bid
the
actual
cleaning
and
lining
process
so.
B
Thank
you
other
responses
to
james
question,
I'll
step
in
then
put
myself
in
cue.
I
too
want
to
complement
the
areas
on
the
presentations
that
were
recorded
and
all
the
members
here
had
to
really
crunch
to
get
those
looked
at
as
a
long
time
click
member
closing
in
I
think
on
25
years.
B
Likewise,
having
served
on
the
waterworks
advisory
committee,
what
I
know
you
manage
risk-
and
I
know
annika
your
predecessors-
were
very
intentional-
about
managing
risks,
such
as
the
concept
of
an
interconnect
with
saint
paul,
regional
water
utility
and
a
reliance
upon
surface
waters.
But
could
you
speak
to
you
know
now,
we've
had
this
covet
19
pandemic,
so
who's
who's
to
say
there
wouldn't
be
something
that
would
be
new,
that
emerges
that
would
be
transmitted
by
water
and
maybe
isn't
killed
by
chlorine.
AJ
Sure
I
can
start
jeff
thanks
for
that
question.
AJ
So
I'll
start
with
the
what's:
the
vision
for
addressing
climate
change,
citywide
from
surface
water
and
sewers,
and
I'm
gonna
answer
this
question
in
two
ways:
the
first
one
is
really
to
talk
about,
first
of
all,
our
comprehensive
modeling
that
we've
done
of
our
storm
sewer
system,
and
so
this
is
a
actually
the
information
that
feeds
our
sw039
program,
our
flood
mitigation
program,
and
so
what
we've
done
within
the
division
over
the
past
several
years
is
we've
developed,
comprehensive
computer
models
of
our
whole
network,
so
it
helps
us
to
understand
how
our
system's
operating
and
how
increased
rainfalls
you
know.
AJ
What
we've
then
been
doing
is
using
up-to-date
rainfall
data
and
so
really,
as
we've
seen
again,
rainfall
patterns,
changing
we're
using
the
most
current
data
to
help
inform
those
capital
designs,
and
so
that's
that's
the
the
baseline
of
what
we're
doing.
As
you
can
see
you
know.
Over
the
past
couple
of
years
we
have
increased
some
of
our
requests
in
sw039
and
that's
really,
as
we've
started,
implementing
these
projects
and
increasing
our
understanding
of
what
it
costs
to
build
infrastructure
to
address
modern
day
storm
events.
AJ
So
we've
got
a
project,
that's
currently
underway
right
now
in
northeast
minneapolis,
it's
costing
on
the
order
of,
I
think
14
million
dollars
is
essentially
the
the
cost
amount
there.
We
have
had
success
in
finding
partners
to
work
with
us
on
that
and
bring
some
grant
dollars
forward,
but
it
gives
some
perspective
of
what
it
will
take
to
rebuild
portions
of
our
system
to
address
these
larger
events.
AJ
AM
With
respect
to
yeah
managing
risk,
you
know
the
the
next
compound
of
concern.
You
know
that
that's
always
kind
of.
If,
if
you
would
ask
me
what
the
more
recent
challenges
are
in
in
the
drinking
water
industry,
it's
the
ability
to
measure
compounds
at
smaller
and
smaller
concentrations.
AM
Without
you
know,
without
understanding
the
health
effects
and
or
what
you
would
do
about
it,
either
to
keep
them
out
of
the
environment
and
out
of
the
water
bodies
in
the
first
place,
or
if
it
comes
to
that
what
treatment
techniques
and
technologies
are
necessary.
So
as
drinking
water
professionals,
it's
a
just
a
you
know
major
focus
about
what
we
do
as
as
we're
looking
at
risk.
What
are
the
operational
performance?
What
do
our
existing
treatment
unit
processes
do,
as
these
different
compounds
are
discovered
and
thought
about?
You
know
we.
AM
We
talk
about
multiple
barriers
in
treatment.
We
talk
about.
You
know
we
have
membrane
filtration
as
well
as
biologically
active,
granular
activated
carbon
filtration,
those
you
know
their
filtration
technologies,
but
they
also
do
very
different
things
with
respect
to
you
know,
dissolved
compounds
that
can
be.
AM
Created
carbon
filters,
the
drivers
for
that
project,
the
interconnect
with
st
paul.
It
continues
to
be
something
we
think
about
in
the
back
of
our
kind
of
again
as
a
risk
mitigation
technique.
You
know
from
the
perspective
that
they're
also
a
surface
water
utility
that
doesn't
necessarily
solve
the
the
emerging
compounds
of
concern
for
for
either
utility.
AM
You
know,
look
looking
at
groundwater
systems
as
well,
there's,
obviously,
a
quantity
concern,
in
particular
in
the
metropolitan
area,
but
also
ground
waters
are
being
shown
not
to
be
necessarily
pristine,
perfect
drinking
water
sources
either.
So
the
what
we
do
is
we
continually
monitor
what
the
science
is
telling
us,
what
the
occurrence
data
is
and
understanding
what
treatment
techniques
might
be
necessary
or
what
our
current
treatment
techniques
do,
and
you
know
that
was
one
of
the
drivers
for
the
membrane
filtration
plant.
AM
You
might
remember
from
back
in
the
day-
and
you
know
we
keep-
we
keep
looking
ahead
to
what
other
you
know:
advanced,
oxidation,
ozone
or
uv,
and
some
of
those
other
advanced
oxidation
options
might
be
for
in
the
future,
but
they
stay
on
our
yeah
on
our
radar
and
that's
a
very
integral
part
of
our
risk
management.
With
respect
to
the
treatment
process
that
we
continually
keep
keep
our
fingers
on
the
pulse
of
so.
B
Thank
you,
eric
juan
is
next.
M
Hi,
thank
you
so
much
for
what
you
do.
I
have
a
particular
project
that
I've
been
monitoring
for
the
last
couple
of
years
and
was
working
with.
AM
M
Okay,
yeah
for
last
couple
years,
working
with
robin
and
and
it's
in
the
flood
area,
five,
it
was
supposed
to
be
a
rain
garden
and
running
right
down
35th
and
it's
a
flood
area
these
homes
every
every
year
the
basements
get
flooded,
but
not
so
much
on
the
project
itself
as
much
as
the
the
public
engagement
part.
So,
at
the
beginning
of
developing
this
project,
the
entire
community,
the
entire
neighborhood
they
got
involved
there
there
were
community
meetings.
What
do
we
want
to
see
this?
M
M
Now,
I'm
more
concerned
about
the
public
engagement
side,
how
do
as
a
person
in
the
community?
How
do
we
keep
that
interest
level
up
and
and
how
is
it
something
that
we
can
do
with
you
to
bring
you
all
in
maybe
every
three
or
four
months
just
to
to
talk
to
the
neighborhood
and
that's
number
one
number
two
is:
how
do
we
know
that
that
project
is
still
in
the
queue?
AJ
Sure
so
can
I
clarify,
when
you
say
with
robin,
was
that
robin
hutchison?
Yes,
okay,
so
floody
area?
Five
is
definitely
one
that
you
know
is
a
is
a
challenging
area
for
us
and
that
we've
been
looking
at
as
a
division
for
many
years.
So
as
far
as
the
rain
garden,
in
particular,
I
think
probably
the
the
best
thing
to
do
is
just
reach
out
directly
to
staff,
and
we
can
talk
to
you
about
what
that
initiative
looks
like
I'm.
Sorry,
I'm
not
familiar
directly
with
that
one,
but
you
know
I
can.
AJ
I
can
direct
you
to
some
of
my
staff
and
we
can
talk
about
how
we
can
best
engage
and
continue
to
work
with
the
neighborhood
group
about
helping
to
understand
kind
of
what
the
infrastructure
needs.
Are
there
as
well.
As
you
know
what
the
community
is
experiencing
through
that
as
far
as
the
timeline
associated
with
that
project,
I
don't
kelly
oversees
that
sw039
program
and
she
might
be
able
to
best
address
where
the
programming
is
at
that
of
that
flood
area.
Five
projects.
AK
Yes,
the
player
five
happens
to
overlap
with
the
concrete
rehab
program,
that's
being
done
by
transportation
as
well,
so
we're
trying
to
coordinate
and
so
that
we
would
do
improvements
at
the
same
time
and
not
be
re-disturbing
those
areas,
and
I
think
I
think
I
don't
think
that
the
concrete
rehab
portion
is
still
20
23.
I
think
it
shifted
a
little
bit
with
their
their
latest
programming,
but
our.
D
AK
Would
be
to
do
that
at
the
same
time
and
not
disrupt
the
neighborhood
more
than
once,
so
we
can
follow
up
with
the
exact
timing.
M
Yeah,
so
so
I
what
what
where
I'm
going
at
is
when
we
raise
the
expectations
of
the
neighbors
and-
and
they
ask
you
know
what
is
the
status.
It
would
be
great
if
we,
you
know,
click
members,
because
we're
embedded
in
the
city
or
that
there's
a
portfolio
manager
that
can
keep
the
community
advised
that,
yes,
it's
still
coming,
it's
not
one
of
those
promises
that
got
taken
away.
M
I
I
don't
know
if,
if
you
go
down
to
the
project
specific
level,
but
I
would
like
I
whoever
I
need
to
talk
to
I'll,
send
them
the
documents
that
had
been
going
between
robin
and
philippe
cunningham
and
and
us
in
the
neighborhood,
the
entire
neighborhood
signed
up.
We
got,
we
did
everything
we
had
to
do,
but
we
don't
want
it
to
appear
that
it
fizzled
out,
so
that
that
would
be
my
my
concern
here.
B
B
So
we
have
james
in
queue
and
then
I
want
to
make
sure
we
covered
steve
your
your
written
questions
and
then
perhaps
we
want
to
move
on
to
fleet
after
noon.
James.
AG
Great,
I
can
try
to
be
quick
because
I'm
not
sure
if
this,
how
this
intersects
with
the
capital
stormwater
projects,
but
I
guess
it
has
to
do
with
like
private
stormwater
projects-
and
I
don't
know,
and
in
private
development.
I
guess,
on
city
like
main
corridors,
I've
done
been
a
part
of
a
bunch
of
small
like
redevelopment
projects
as
like
a
general
contractor
and
storm
water
has
always
been
storm.
Water
is
a
big
reason
why
small,
independent
projects
fit
don't
get
off
the
ground.
The
cost
of
storm
water
management,
like
architects
spend.
AG
You
know,
lots
of
time
trying
to
work
around
the
requirement
to
have
to
do
storm
stormwater
management
because
of
the
cost,
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
there's
any
in
my
mind,
it's
a
point
where
it
intersects
with
equity,
but
I
think
a
lot
of
reasons.
A
lot
of
projects
don't
happen
in
disadvantaged
commercial
corridors,
because
storm
water
management
is
really
expensive,
and
I.
D
AG
AJ
So
storm
water
management
on
private
property
is
a
responsibility
of
the
private
property
owner.
As
a
city,
we
do
have
a
clean
water,
a
clean
water
act
permit.
Essentially
it's
called
our
ms4
permit
and
as
a
requirement
of
that,
we
have
to
have
local
controls
and
an
ordinance
that
sets
requirements
for
stormwater
management
on
private
property,
so
that
does
live
in
city
ordinance
in
chapter
54..
AJ
That
is
not
part
of
our
capital
requests.
Again,
our
capital
requests
are
associated
with
city
storm,
sewer
infrastructure
and
not
that
on
the
private
parcels.
AJ
If
you,
if
you
have
other
questions
about
our
regulatory
requirements
or
what
that
looks
like
again
throughout
the
city,
you
can
feel
free
to
reach
out
to
us
and
we
can
try
to
answer
those.
But
again,
the
the
capital
requests
that
we
have
here
before
the
committee
this
morning
are
not
are
about
city
infrastructure,
not
the
private
properties,.
B
N
B
O
Sure,
jeff
yeah,
we
do
have
director
thundberg
on
from
the
city's
fleet
services
division.
So
I
just
want
to
recognize
director
thundberg
and
maybe
ask
him
for
just
a
really
brief
introduction,
especially
for
the
new
york
clip
members.
Who've
joined
us
this
morning
and
then
see
if
we
can
open
it
up
for
a
q.
A
I've
already
noted
that
I
think
we've
got
one
question
ready
to
go.
AN
Thanks
robert
and
good
afternoon,
everyone
and
thank
you
to
all
the
click
members
for
your
service
to
the
city.
As
robert
mentioned,
I'm
al
thunder
director
of
the
fleet
services
division,
quick
overview
of
fleet
as
we're
we're
an
internal
service,
so
we
operate
a
little
different.
Our
purpose
is
a
little
different
than
the
other
other
divisions
within
public
works.
AN
So
any
any
questions,
I'm
here
or
any
questions
about
fleet
operations,
we're
open
to
that
as
well.
N
I
checked
several
of
the
cbrs
for
fleet
and
didn't
find
a
specific
source
of
revenue
listed,
and
my
impression
is
that
internal
service
funds
are
self-funded
and
charges
are
charged
back
to
the
apartments.
AN
AN
N
M
Hi
last
last
year's
click
report.
One
of
our
comments
was:
it
was
a
request
that
the
in
the
fleet
0-1,
that
you
split
out
the
fuel
and
charging
stations
as
separate
items.
Is
that
still
possible
for
to
be
done
this
year,
so
that
we
can
have
a
better
sense
of
what
the
differences
are.
AN
So
for
charging
systems
we're
looking
at
192
000
this
year
and
about
224
000
a
year
over
the
next
several
years.
You
know
it's
a
it's
a
rough
estimate.
We
estimate
about
eight
thousand
dollars
per
charging
station.
That
includes
the
charging
station
itself,
along
with
the
installation
costs
and
is
the
fuel
portion
of
that
is
we
have
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
we're
requesting
to
upgrade
our
our
fuel
island,
which
is
actually
at
the
park
board
site
on
bryant
avenue.
AN
AN
So
and
then
another
hundred
thousand
dollars
is
requested.
Our
1809
washington
street
facility
is,
we
will
be
vacating
that
soon
public
works
built
a
new
facility
at
2635
university
avenue,
which
is
a
combination
for
our
solid
waste
division.
Along
with
the
north
side,
the
district
1,
which
serves
north
and
northeast
sides
of
the
city
for
street
maintenance,
both
plowing
sweeper
operations
and
and
patch
and
repair
type
work,
so
they'll
be
moving
out
of
the
1809
washington
street
facility
into
the
dew
facility.
M
M
Yeah
yeah
there's
a
a
real.
We
we'd
like
to
see
that
there
is
a
leaning
forward
towards
our
electric
fleet
that
we've
been
talking
towards,
and
that
may
take
you
a
number
of
years
to
get
to
the
point
where
we've
converted
over
sufficiently
to
support
an
all-electric
fleet.
So
I
think
that
that's
at
the
base
of
what
we
were
asking
for.
AN
Sure-
and
we
are
continually
you
know-
growing
our
electric
fleet
this
year,
we'll
take
a
jump
forward.
We
have,
I
believe,
about
24
sedans
on
order,
but
the
challenge
with
the
going
to
electric,
of
course,
is
getting
electric
vehicles
that
are
reasonably
priced.
That
will
meet
the
user
needs,
so
we're
hoping
to
see
small
vans
pickups.
These
type
of
things
come
into
the
market
and
be
available
to
us,
hopefully
in
2022.
B
You
go
to
dan
and
then
matt.
AB
AN
Sure
so
pacific
has
where
our
solid
waste
and
recycling
group
was
primarily
located
and
now
they're.
So
everything
was
there
up
until
about
a
year
ago.
The
east
side
maintenance
facility
is
where
they
moved
their
primary
operations
to,
and
I
am
not
fully
familiar
with
what
they
continue
to
do
at
the
pacific
site.
AN
That
would
be
the
solid
waste
recycling
director
herberholz.
That,
I
believe,
is
not
with
us
today,
but
I
know
they
continue
to
have
a
presence
there
and
I'm
not
exactly
sure
what
that
presence
is.
We
do
still
have
a
fuel
island
there
as
well.
I'm
not
sure
what
the
long-term
plan
is
for
the
facility.
AB
I'm
wondering
if
you
might
be
able
to
get
back
to
us
just
to
the
simple
I'm
just
wondering
if
it's
going
to
get
phased
out
and
and
if
so,
the
the
need
to
add
a
fueling
station
there
or
two.
Maybe.
AN
One,
no,
we
wouldn't
be
adding
a
fuel
link,
there's
already
a
fueling
station
there.
You
know
it
is
certainly
possible
that
fueling
station
could
be
phased
out,
but
I'll
check
with
director
herbert
holtz
and
see
what
he
sees
as
the
the
long-term
plan
for
the
pacific
site
and
we'll
get
back
to
you.
Thank
you.
AE
Kozinka
thanks
for
joining
us.
This
might
be
kind
of
a
minor
question,
but
I
know
you
all
are
working
with
excel
on
a
lot
of
the
new
ev
infrastructure.
AE
I
know
excel
offers
rebates
for
high
efficiency
upgrades
to
facilities,
at
least
on
for
for
commercial
businesses.
I
presume
they
do
as
well
for
the
city,
although
I'm
not
as
as
aware
of
that,
but
I
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
things
you
can
get
money
back
from
for
excel
for
things
like
kind
of
under
under
considered
things
like
motors
and
drives,
I've
helped
a
business,
get
those
lift
stations,
get
a
a
rebate
for
that
sort
of
work.
AE
So
I'm
wondering
if
you
process
internally,
for
when
you're
replacing
things
like
motors
and
drives
and
other
equipment
that
uses
sort
of
electrical
equipment.
If
you
are
checking
on
efficiency,
that
new
equipment
you're
replacing
and
if
there's
availability
for
rebates
and
grants
to
support
those
improvements.
AN
No,
we
haven't
worked
directly
with
excel
on
on
that
type
of
work.
We
often
look
at
grants
that
may
be
available
as
far
as
upgrading
something
to
electric.
Quite
often
our
are
are
we
don't
fit
the
parameters
of
the
grant?
We
have
had
received
grants
from
the
mpca
for
charging
stations
at
hiawatha
through
the
volkswagen
litigation
funds,
and
also
we
had
some
charging
stations
on
a
grant
from
the
mpca
as
well
for
our
royalston
facility.
What
we
are
working
with
excel
on
is
it's
a
fleet.
AN
What
we're
currently
working
in
on
is
our
aldrich
facility
is
in
the
design
phase
and
hopefully
moving
forward
fairly
soon.
We
will
be
putting
in
10
charging
stations
there
along
10
level,
2
charging
stations
and
we're
actually
going
to
add
one
level,
three,
a
dc
fast
charger
at
that
location,
we're
doing
the
same
at
our
curry
facility,
where
we
will
have
10
charging
ports
in
one
dc,
fast
charger
and
then
also
at
our
federal
ramp.
AN
H
Yes,
in
reviewing
the
proposals
for
the
fleet
area,
I
noticed
that
the
level
of
need
all
the
other
departments
rate
the
level
need
critical,
significant
important
is
desirable.
Yours
are
just
rated
high
or
low,
in
fact,
they're
all
high,
just
except
one
low,
and
I'm
just
wondering
is
that
going
to
create
a
problem.
We
try
to
score
these
projects
relative
to
the
others.
H
AH
B
E
G
This
is
not
a
question
I'm
just
going
to
follow
up
on
what
george
just
said:
okay,
just
because
new
members
just
to
clarify
so
for
al's
sake.
What
george
is
referring
to
is
if,
if
somebody
gets
a
copy
of
the
click
guidelines
was
the
indefinitions
of
those
four
categories
that
he
mentioned
and
for
committee
members
just
to
be
clear.
AB
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
thank
the
fleet
services
division
for
the
video
and
the
explanation.
One
thing
which
I
think
might
be
helpful
for
me
in
a
future
presentation
would
be
I
I
was
intrigued
to
understand
the
different
locations
that
you
you
are
at
and
just
what
they
do
at
those
particular
locations.
I
know
we
don't
need
to
answer
that
now,
but
I
think
in
the
future.
That
might
be
an
interesting
thing
to
know
a
little
bit
about
the
city's
operation.
D
AI
B
B
So
called
back
to
justin
and
neil
and
robert
so
now
we're
scheduled
for
a
10-minute
break
at
12
20
and
then
resuming
with
the
breakout
sessions
at
12
30
for
approximately
a
half
hour.
B
Z
G
Yeah,
just
a
quick
request,
if
it's
possible,
since
transportation,
has
almost
all
of
the
work
today,
we're
gonna
have
a
lot
to
do
if
we
could
shorten
that
break
to
five
minutes,
just
so
that
we
could,
because
we're
not
going
to
get
done
at
one.
So
I
the
sooner
we
can
get
started
as
soon
as
we'll
get
done.
If
that's
okay
with
people.
G
J
M
M
E
L
B
Right
so
click
members
be
sure
to
go
to
your
breakout
room
for
your
task
force
meetings
and
with
that
we've
completed
all
items
on
the
agenda
for
this
meeting
and
with
the
exception
of
the
task
force,
breakout
rooms.
So
I'll
ask
staff
and
members
if
there
are
any
other
matters
to
come
before
this
meeting.