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B
C
On
regular
meeting
of
the
lowry
hill
special
service
district
advisory
board
will
now
begin
good
morning.
My
name
is
mike
mclaughlin.
I
will
be
facilitating
this
meeting
of
the
lowry
hill
special
service
district
advisory
board.
Before
we
begin
I'd
like
to
note
that
this
meeting
includes
the
remote
participation
of
members
as
authorized
under
minnesota,
section
13.
C
I
will
now
call
this
meeting
to
order
and
call
the
role
so
that
we
may
verify
the
presence
of
a
quorum.
I
will
note
that
we
are
welcoming
two
new
advisory
board
members,
steve
havoc
and
frank
in
amagua.
Their
appointments
are
currently
in
process
before
the
city
council.
So
welcome
frank,
welcome,
steve
when,
if
he's
able
to
join
us,
so
when
I
call
your
name,
if
you
could
just
there's
steve.
C
Perfect
steve,
we
literally
just
started,
and
we
will
we'll
do
introductions
here
in
just
a
moment.
We
are
steve
just
so
you
know
we
are
required
to
record
all
of
our
meetings,
so
this
is
being
recorded
and
it
will
be
posted
to
the
city's
youtube
channel.
So
I
know
it
pales
in
comparison
to
your
own
youtube
following,
but
so
hopefully
we
can
we
can.
We
can
strive
for
for
reaching
that
that
level
of
subscribership
that
that
you
have
so
so
again.
Good
morning
I
I
will
restart.
C
I
literally
just
started
my
opening
comments.
Sorry
about
that!
No
no
problem
steve!
Just
so
you
know
I'm
not
going
to
repeat
everything,
but
I
will
say
steve.
We
are
joined
this
morning.
Tom
fletcher,
who
you
may
know,
is
a
property
owner
on
the
corridor.
He's
in
his
car,
frank
in
amagua
is
from
midwest
one
bank
up
at
22nd
and
steve
is
with
lakes
area
realty
and
he
and
his
family
own
property
on
the
southern
end
of
the
district
steve.
C
By
way
of
introduction,
david
bauer,
who
is
another
member
of
the
special
service
district
project
team,
is,
is
on
today's
call.
Andrew
carlson
is
not
able
to
join
us.
He's
the
third
member
of
the
ssd
project
team
and
we're
also
joined
by
rebecca
hughes
and
jeanette
coonau,
who
are
the
project
leaders
for
the
hennepin
avenue
reconstruction?
C
C
Frank
and
agua
present
very
good
there
being
a
quorum
of
advisory
board
present.
We
will
proceed.
We
have
two
very
quick
housekeeping
things,
which
is
the
adoption
of
the
agenda
and
the
acceptance
of
the
minutes
to
the
last
meeting,
which
was
last
august.
We
can
take
those
in
one
action.
So
if
someone
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
draft
agenda
and
the
draft
minutes,
we
can
take
care
of
that.
So
I'm
looking
for
a
motion
if
that
someone's
comfortable.
D
C
B
C
Good
the
agenda
is
adopted,
as
are
the
minutes.
Thank
you.
We
do
have
a
public
comment
period
on
the
agenda.
I
will
note
that
we
are
not
joined
by
any
members
of
the
public.
What
we
typically
do
is
just
postpone
that
to
the
end
of
the
agenda.
Should
someone
join
us
during
the
meeting,
so
we
will.
We
will
postpone
that
public
comment
period
and
move
to
our
discussion
items,
which
is
an
update
from
the
project
leaders
on
the
hennepin
avenue
reconstruction.
C
C
A
A
It
so
we'll
start
with
introductions
again
and
really
what
we
wanted
to
bring,
as
you
noted
michael,
is
a
project
update.
So
I'll
give
you
a
bit
of
an
update
on
the
project
schedule
that
we
actually
announced
at
our
open
house
meetings
in
early
march,
just
a
very
quick
overview
of
the
design
options
that
we
had
out
for
public
comment
and
as
you're
probably
aware,
the
public
comment
period
closed
on
friday,
and
so
we
have
some
stats
and
some
information
that
we
can
share
from
you.
A
F
A
I
will
also
note,
maybe
just
before
sorry
I
paused,
and
that
was
a
good
time
to
switch
the
slide
I'll.
Just
also
note
that
we've
received
a
lot
of
comments
through
the
public
comment
period
that
are
generally
considering
just
adjustments
with
schedule
and
a
lot
of
requests
that
have
come
in
and
concerns
that
continue
to
come
in
regarding
schedule.
A
A
So
I
am
going
to
just
start
with
the
first
option
we
have
out
and
as
I
mentioned
at
the
top,
there
are
two
options
that
we
had
out
for
public
comment
and
released
as
part
of
our
draft
concepts
for
the
project.
The
first
option
was
one
that
included
a
bikeway
when
you
start
thinking
about.
You
know
how
the
two
concepts
were
developed.
A
A
We
anticipate
that,
regardless
of
what
option
proceeds,
that
there
will
be
adjustments
made
to
that
based
on
the
feedback
that
we're
receiving
so
we'll
continue
to
refine
this
on
a
block
by
block
basis,
and
I
think
that's
important
again.
The
first
option
includes
a
bike
way,
so
this
is
like
your
typical
cross
section
and
then
moving
into
this
is
just
a
snapshot
of
the
layout.
A
A
There
are
eight
foot
sidewalks
throughout
the
corridor.
There's
a
two-way
bike
facility
on
the
east
side
of
the
street
and
part
of
the
reason
why
it
was
located
on
the
east
side
of
the
street
as
part
of
these
draft
concepts.
Is
that
it's
the
location
that
has
the
least
amount
of
interruptions
which
would
be
driveways.
Curb
cuts
and
other
means
just
based
on
the
the
land,
use
that's
adjacent
to
the
corridor,
and
there
are
two
full
time:
transit
lanes
that
you
see
in
red.
A
There
are
two
vehicle
lanes
that
are
proposed:
the
orange
spaces
are
the
brt
station,
so
that's
the
future
bus
rapid
transit,
the
e
line
that
will
be
coming
to
the
corridor
and
we're
currently
working
with
metro
transit
to
sync
up
communication
and
coordination,
as
it
relates
to
the
two
projects
and
then
there's
the
other
treatment
that
you
see
in
green
in
the
middle
of
the
street.
There
is
a
median
that
is
being
proposed
as
well.
A
Currently,
that's
shown
at
four
feet
that
could
vary
depending
upon
other
adjustments
that
we
make
moving
forward
and
then
the
other
green
areas
that
you
see.
Typically
in
the
boulevard,
it's
actually
a
green
brown
check.
Those
are
areas
where
we
anticipate
or
hope
to
have
different
types
of
landscaping,
green
infrastructure
and
other
means
integrated
as
part
of
the
option.
F
F
So,
as
becca
mentioned,
we
did
start
a
round
of
public
engagement
in
early
march
and
we
just
concluded
the
public
comment
period
last
friday,
so
we
had
about
six
weeks
available
for
people
to
review
the
material
and
make
comments
we
held
two
live
meetings
on
march,
2nd
and
march
4th.
We
had
a
total
of
230
attendees
that
was
about
double
the
number
of
people
that
we
had
attending
compared
to
the
meetings
that
we
had
in
fall.
2020..
F
There
is
a
summary
of
the
questions
that
were
asked
during
those
live
meetings,
and
that
is
posted
on
the
project
website
that
you
can
review
and
during
the
six-week
comment
period,
we
asked
for
feedback
via
a
comment
form
that
was
linked
on
the
city's
website.
There
was
a
feedback
map
where
someone
could
go
to
either
option
one
or
option
two
and
and
drop
a
pin
on
and
make
a
comment
at
a
specific
location,
and
then
we
also
have
a
project
email
that
we
were
accepting
comments
so
through
yesterday
april
19th
we
had
receipt.
F
We
have
received
2975
comments
just
to
put
that
in
perspective.
That
is
a
huge
number.
That
is,
I
think,
triple
what
we
got
in
the
last
round
of
engagement
and
is
a
lot
of
comments
for
any
city
project,
and
so
this
chart
is
just
showing
the
way
that
those
comments
were
submitted
with
about
60
percent
coming
in
through
the
comment
form
32
on
the
map
and
then
8
via
emails.
F
One
of
the
questions
that
we
asked
on
the
comment
forum
was
how
they
heard
about
the
project
or
the
engagement,
because
we
wanted
to
see
what
is,
how
are
we
reaching
the
most
number
of
people,
and
so
you'll
see
the
social
media
and
email
notices
were
the
highest
if
you've
been
in
the
corridor.
You've
also,
probably
seen
there
were
a
number
of
signs
both
on
hennepin
avenue
and
in
the
neighborhood,
letting
people
know
that
we
were
seeking
their
comments
on
the
project.
F
F
So
that's
why
we're
not
sharing
all
the
results,
yet
we
just
need
some
time
to
work
through
that
this
chart
just
gives
you
an
idea
of
the
types
of
comments
we
were
receiving,
and
I
would
just
note
that
on
this
chart
in
some
cases
the
comment
may
have
been
positive
or
negative.
So
someone
that
commented
on
transit
may
have
been
supportive
of
the
of
the
design
we
were
showing
for
transit
or
not
supportive.
F
C
And
I'll,
let
me
just
add
so
frank
and
steve
just
so
you
have
a
sense
tom
fletcher,
both
the
lowry
hill
special
service
district
advisory
board,
as
well
as
the
uptown
ssd
advisory
board,
were
provided
an
opportunity
last
year
to
designate
a
representative
to
a
a
community
steering
committee.
Is
that
the
correct
title,
becca
and
jeanette?
Something
like
that?
C
Essentially
I
a
resource
that
includes
neighborhood
associations,
the
uptown
association
and
some
other
stakeholder
groups,
so
tom
has
been
been
kind
enough
to
volunteer
his
own
time
in
an
additional
capacity
just
to
to
to
really
sort
of
connect
to
this
project.
So
just
so
you
both
know
tom's
been
been
at
this
for
a
while
in
terms
of
his
engagement,
in
addition
to
just
his
ownership
and
interest
in
the
corridor
tom
I'll.
C
E
E
Okay,
so
first
kind
of
generally,
you
know
my
mind
I'll
start
with
a
comment
and
have
you
historically
balanced
the
movement
of
people
through
the
area
with
serving
local
businesses
and
residents.
You
know
sort
of
trying
to
get
an
honest
through
the
project
team.
Do
you
have
any
concern
that
the
proposed
design
strongly,
you
know
emphasize
the
movement
through
the
corridor,
expense,
the
local
businesses
or
residents,
or
you
feel
that's
not
an
issue.
F
So
so
there
are
a
couple
of
of
pieces
to
that.
One
is,
we
do
know
from
from
data
before
the
pandemic,
that
there
is
about
50
of
people
in
the
corridor
are
moving
through
the
corridor
they're
going
from
end
to
end
the
goal
of
the
design
was
not
necessarily
to
facilitate
or
encourage
that
end-to-end
movement.
We
know
we
have
to.
F
F
That's
in
the
corridor
or
within
a
couple
blocks
of
the
corridor,
and
so
the
reason
for
the
transit
lanes
is
not
to
move
people,
not
necessarily
through
the
corridor,
but
the
average
transit
speeds
in
this
corridor
are
like
10
miles
an
hour
and
so
to
have
transit,
continue
and
continue
to
be
a
viable
option
and
be
a
reliable
and
efficient
option
for
people
that
either
can't
drive
can't
walk.
Can't
bike
don't
want
to
do
those
things.
F
E
F
F
Yeah
we
we're
actually
in
the
midst
of
some
more
detailed
analysis.
Now
that
will
help
answer
that
question.
So
that's
not
a
question
that
we
can
answer
today
in
terms
of
what
the
bus
travel
times
will
be,
but
the
the
expectation
would
be
that
they
would
certainly
be
faster
than
they
are
today
which,
as
I
mentioned,
they
average
about
10
miles
an
hour
today.
A
There's
there's
been
market
improvement
in
terms
of
consistency
for
the
routes
that
operate
along
the
corridor,
especially
during
those
peak
hours
in
which
there
are
designated
transit
lanes,
so
they've
proven
to
be
effective
and
by
merely
extending
the
time
frame
of
those
will
allow
for
more
efficient
bus
operations
on
the
court,
as
janette
mentioned
in
terms
of
actual
time
travel
savings
per
se
and
the
number
of
minutes
that
would
be
saved
right
now.
We
don't
have
that
information
quite
yet.
E
E
You
know
where
you
just
where
people
don't
have
to
click
on
and
off
they
just
get
on.
Okay
and
they've
already
hit
the
thing
on
the
the
stop.
If
I'm
correct,
some
of
them
are
through
traffic
signal
and
the
buses
ability
to
have
big
traffic
signals.
Okay,
so
and
those
don't
require
a
dedicated
plane,
I
would
assume.
Is
that
correct?
I
assume
those
don't
require
dedicated
lane
per
se.
Yeah.
A
I
mean
there's,
there's
certain
there's
certain
parameters
or
certain
elements
that
are
basic.
You
know
that
that
that's
why
it's
a
brt
line
right,
so
the
brt
lines
that
have
been
established
across
the
cities.
Yes,
they
do
have
you
know
your
fare
and
your
boarding
payments
that
occur
before
you
get
on
the
bus
so
that
you
don't
have
people
waiting
on
a
pay
box.
You
know
the
whole
experience
of
brt
in
itself
has
a
whole
suite
of
different
elements.
You
know
in
terms
of
transit
advantages
that
we
use
locally.
A
Yes,
we
do
use
transit
signal
priority.
That's
an
element
that
we
use
to
prioritize
buses
and
dedicated
space
is
really
the
direction
in
which
we're
moving
based
on
the
transportation
action
plan.
Again,
there's
a
lot
of
different
things
that
can
be
used
to
improve
transit
operations,
but
on
this
quarter,
which
is
the
second
busiest
quarter
outside
of
the
central
business
district
we'd
like
to
take
it
a
step
further,
anticipating
that
brt
growth,
which
is
basically
all
throughout
the
day,
not
just
at
peak
hours,
okay.
Well,
what
I.
E
Look
at
if
you
look
at
the
schedules
for
the
buses
currently,
if
you
go
to
sunday
morning
at
6
00
a.m.
It's
four
minutes
from
the
uptown
transit
center
to
franklin.
Okay,
during
keep
rush
hours
in
the
peak
direction,
it's
about
seven
minutes.
I
assume
metro
transit,
knows
what
they're
doing
and
they've
published
their
schedules
appropriately.
E
So
you've
gone
from
a
time
when
you
probably
have
very
few
people
boarding,
you
probably
don't,
have
a
lot
of
competition
at
six
in
the
morning
or
seven
in
the
morning
on
a
sunday
for
whatever
and
you're
four
minutes,
so
that's
probably
about
as
good
as
you're
going
to
get
no
matter
what
you
do
and
worst
case
right
now
they
show
about
seven
minutes.
I
understand
variability
is
part
of
it.
What
I'm
trying
to
get
my
arms
around
is
how
much
does
a
dedicated
lane
really
add.
E
F
As
we
look
at
both
the
number,
the
percentage
of
people
in
this
corridor
moving
by
transit
both
today
and
in
the
future,
and
also
looking
at
it,
not
only
the
average
travel
time,
but
just
how
much
variability
there
is
hennepin
avenue
is
a
corridor
that
really
needs
more
than
just
that
off.
Off-Board,
fair
payment
and
transit
signal
priority
to
operate
effectively.
F
So
part
of
it
is
certainly,
as
you
mentioned,
the
travel
time
savings
for
transit,
making
it
not
only
faster
but
more
reliable,
because
that's
a
big
piece
of
it.
If
you
don't
know
if
your
bus
is
going
to
get
there
on
time
or
15
minutes
late,
you're
less
likely
to
ride
the
bus,
if
you
can't
make
sure
you're
at
work
on
time.
E
And
okay,
so
what
I
just
heard
tell
me
if
wrong
and
I'll
move
on
to
the
next
questions,
he
said
on
one
hand,
you
think
that
this
will
get
more
whatever,
but
you
don't
really
know
how
much
they
will
do
or
what
their
impact
will
be.
Nobody
has
any
numbers
yet
to
say
that
this
is
what
the
lane
change
claims
dedicated
lane
throughout
the
day
will
do.
Is
that
right?
Am
I
missing
something.
A
I
mean
I
don't
know
if
we
can
give
you
specific
numbers
right
now,
tom
I
mean
we're,
as
we've
always
alluded
to
we're
happy
to
have
a
conversation
and
share
detailed
information
once
we
get
that
from
metro
transit,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
we
know
that
there's
a
benefit
to
having
transit
operate
curbside
in
its
own
lane.
It
will
improve
performance,
it
will
improve
ridership.
There
are
lots
of
studies.
A
I
don't
know
if
you're
a
bus
rider,
I
am-
and
I
and
I
think
part
of
the
issue
right
with
with
drawing
people
prospective
riders
to
transit
and
building
that
capacity
along
transit
lines
is
the
fact
that
there
isn't
a
lot
of
dependability
in
terms
of
buses,
especially
on
congested
corridors
that
aren't
able
to
accommodate
on-time
performance,
and
so
that's
really
important
for
this
corridor.
Obviously,
this
segment
of
e-line
is
just
part
of
a
much
much
larger
segment
of
the
corridor.
A
There
are
jonette
remind
me:
there
are
10
buses
that
operate
on
this
corridor.
The
spans
of
time
are
basically
two
to
three
minutes
in
between,
for
a
lot
of
hours
of
the
day,
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
ridership.
I
mean
this
is
again
the
second
busiest
bus
route
outside
of
the
central
business
district
that
operates
in
the
cities,
and
this
is
you
know
if
we're
going
to
make
increasing
transit
riders,
etc.
We
need
to
be
able
to
have
that
be
a
viable
option.
E
But
to
kind
of
get
to
my
underlying
question:
vet,
transit
metro
transit
may
have
done
studies,
you
may
have
information,
but
they
haven't
shared
them
with
you.
You
don't
have
that
from
them.
As
part
of
this
design,
you
haven't
really
nobody's
really
put
two
and
two
together
and
said
what
it's
going
to
do.
Am
I
missing
something?
I'm
not
trying
to
be.
I'm
just
trying
to
understand,
because
why
here
is
that
transit
has
information,
but
I
would
think
if
it
was
critical.
F
F
So
we
are
in
the
process
of
doing
the
detailed
modeling
that
will
show
what
is
the
change
in
transit
travel
time.
Part,
though
part,
though,
of
what
we're
trying
to
convey
is
whether
that
time
savings
is
so.
We
can't
tell
you
today
is
that
time:
savings
three
minutes.
Is
it
three
minutes
and
30
seconds,
but
part
of
what
we're
trying
to
convey.
Is
that
whether
that
is,
you
know
three
minutes
four
minutes
whatever
the
time
savings?
Is
it's
not
based?
F
E
A
B
A
Of
data
about
projected
ridership,
where
we
expect
to
see
increases
throughout
the
day,
I
mean
you
know
they,
as
as
jeanette
mentioned,
they
have
existing
brt
lines
that
are
currently
in
operation
that
can
be
applied
and
and
and
and
those
those
can
be
applied
to
the
existing
data
into
the
existing
ridership
that
we
have
throughout
the
corridor.
So
it's
not
a
matter
of
metro
transit,
not
participating,
being
active
in
the
discussion.
It's
just
that
these
modeling
pieces
take
a
bit
of
time
and
we
can't
give
you
an
exact
minute
and
second
time
savings.
E
A
I
just
understand,
though,
that
we
we
we
have
information
from
the
other
lines
that
show
the
advantages.
How
it
specifically
dovetails
into
this
project
is
very
detailed.
It
is
very
technical
in
terms
of
the
traffic
analysis.
You
know,
we've
done
preliminary
numbers,
we've
done
preliminary
calculations
right,
because
we
have
to
ensure
that
transit
or
operations
in
general
function
for
this
corridor,
and
so
we
have
baseline
information.
It's
a
matter
of
tweaking
it
and
making
final
adjustments
as
part
of
this
process
everything's
part
of
a
process.
E
A
A
E
C
C
C
Yeah
so
I'll
just
and-
and
I
don't
want
to
I'll
just
add
to
what
both
becca
and
and
jonetta
said,
typically
in
these
projects,
just
for
for
tom
and
frank
and
steve
the
either
the
city
is
responsible
when
they
put
something
in
or
the
adjacent
property
owner
is
or
if
desired.
If
there
is
a
special
service
district,
the
service
district
can
also
be
a
partner
on
a
project.
C
To
describe
sort
of
you
know
the
the
realm
of
what
the
options
are.
We
have
some
districts,
for
example,
some
ssds
that
do
have
taken
over
responsibility
for
their
center
medians,
because
the
existing
service
level
doesn't
meet
their
expectations,
so
they
are
required
to
maintain
that
center
median.
They
just
do
because
they
want
to
for
their
corridor.
C
In
terms
of
you
know,
what
might
the
ssd
want
in
terms
or
recommend
in
terms
of
enhanced
improvement,
and
what
does
the
ssd
have
have
a
position
on
on
maintenance?
So
my
sense
is
that
was
always
going
to
come
later
in
this
design
process.
So
is
that
is
that
a
fair
description,
becca
and
joannette?
Okay,
your
corridor
and
of
the
uptown
segment
of
this
corridor.
A
Yep,
that's
accurate.
Thank
you.
I
would
just
add
also
that
you
know
until
we
have
a
design
finalized
right.
We
we
don't
even
know
necessarily
what
types
of
plants
we're
talking
about
in
terms
of
maintenance.
You
know
if
it
ends
up
being
a
narrow
medium,
for
example,
that
can't
accommodate
vegetation.
A
Then
it's
sort
of
a
non-issue
right,
but
you
know
the
idea
is
that
we
would
be
able
to
plant
something
that
that
is
is
a
beautification
element
as
well
right,
so
at
a
four
foot
sort
of
median
we
already
know
it
would
be
challenging
to
implement
trees
and
other
elements
that
are
larger
right.
It
would
be
lower
level
landscaping,
and
so,
as
we
make
adjustments
and
tweaks
and
as
we
look
at
this
corridor
in
totality
and
once
we
develop
a
planting
plan
for
that,
it
will
be
more
appropriate
at
that
time
to
discuss
maintenance.
A
You
know,
I
think
we
all
know
that
maintenance
is
a
tricky
issue,
regardless
of
what
type
of
project
that
you're
implementing,
sometimes
sometimes
it
starts
out-
and
it's
it's
maintained
really
well
and,
like
you
said
there
are
circumstances
in
which
it
doesn't
meet
expectations
and
there
are
other
agreements
that
need
to
be
made.
So
it's
definitely
on
our
radar,
but
until
we
kind
of
you
know,
work
through
the
finalization
of
plants
and
different
plant
materials
that
can
actually
live
and
survive
within
these
areas.
A
E
F
C
I
would
tell
you
that
we
certainly
have
examples
in
service
districts
where
service
districts
have
come
in
of
their
own
volition,
to
supplement
those
that
work
again
beca,
perhaps
because
it
doesn't
always
meet
expectations,
so
no
obligation
by
the
ssd
to
provide
any
supplemental
services,
but
we
certainly
are
experiences
that
districts
often
do
just
to
give
you
something
not
not
like
repairing
any
glass
panels
and
sort
of
hard
infrastructure,
but
like
pan
and
brown,
you
know
snow
stuff
says
things
like
that.
Just
to
give
you
a
sense
of
what
real
world
looked
like.
E
Okay,
gotcha,
that's
very
helpful.
Okay
and
I
apologize
it's
just
because
this
question
got
asked
to
me.
So
I'm
asking
it.
I
think
I'm
saying
I
think
you
may
have
already
answered
there's
a
the
whole
question
about
possibilities.
I'm
sure
you
know
about
delaying
the
city
council
decision
in
august
timeline.
Is
that
being
considered
or
not?
And
I
think
you
indicated
your
presentation.
That
august
was
still
the
date
you're
aiming
for
for
city
council
decision.
A
On
which
direction
to
go
yep,
that's
correct.
You
are
kind
of
going
in
and
out
there,
but
I
think
that
your
question
was:
is
there
any
further
consideration
to
timeline
adjustments?
And
you
know
honestly,
we
need
to
kind
of
process
through
all
of
that
feedback
that
we've
received
and
we
will
make
recommendations,
whether
that's
on
schedule
or
other
elements,
as
it
relates
to
the
project.
F
And
I
would,
I
would
just
add
that
that
is
a.
That
is
a
comment
that
has
come
up
a
number
of
times
in
a
number
of
different
venues.
So
yes,
we're
we're,
certainly
trying
to
evaluate
that
and
and
how
that
how
we
can
best
move
the
project
forward.
But
wanting
to
you
know,
work
with
the
folks
in
the
corridor
as
well.
A
Frank,
I
would
maybe
note
for
your
benefit
too.
I'm
sure
that
you
probably
heard
this,
but
there
were
federal
funds
that
were
awarded
for
this
project,
and
you
know
federal
funds
help
offset
local
costs
of
reconstruction
projects.
So
you
know
one
of
the
objectives
of
the
city
is
that
we're
always
trying
to
find
ways
to
sort
of
offset
those
local
funds.
So
we
want
to
leverage
different
funding
opportunities.
A
E
A
A
But
but
with
that
said,
I
mean
you
know
I
can
say
consistently
the
department's
message
on.
That
is
that
they,
you
know
the
department
you
know
public
works,
acknowledges
that
that
block
isn't
working
well,
that
we
need
to
figure
out
how
to
improve
the
operations
on
that
block
and
that
could
include
restoring
parking
on
one
side
of
the
street
in
terms
of
timetable.
For
that
I
mean
a
lot
depends
upon
what
level
of
engagement
is
appropriate.
A
You
know
there's
just
like
this
project,
but
in
sort
of
like
a
microcosm
right
I
mean
if,
if
you're
making
adjustments
to
bike
lanes,
you've
got
to
talk
to
the
bicycle
advisory
committee.
If
you're,
making
adjustments
to
the
sidewalk
you've
got
to
talk
to
the
pedestrian
advisory
committee-
and
you
know
the
business
owners
and
the
neighborhoods
also
have
stake.
A
E
In
terms
of
your
things,
response
to
the
open
house
regarding
traffic
impacts
neighborhood
streets,
there
was
a
statement
that
the
city
has
a
number
of
neighborhood
tools
that
can
be
used
to
manage
traffic
and
parking
between
down
the
head
epidemic
construction.
We
will
further
study
these
tools
and
commit
to
appropriate
strategies.
Can
you
elude
on
what
type
of
strategies
you
might
use
to
manage
neighborhood
traffic
and
parking,
or
just
in
general?
Or
are
you
not
a
position
to
say
that,
yet
what
type
of
tools
might
be
used.
F
Sure
a
couple
things
some
of
the
some
of
what
those
tools
could
look
like
we,
we
were
just
having
an
internal
discussion
within
the
city
about
some
of
the
parking
management
and
loading
strategies
not
only
on
hennepin
but
on
some
of
the
neighborhood
streets
as
well.
That
can
look
like
a
lot
of
different
things.
Where
there
are
more
businesses,
they
tend
to
be
commercial
loading
zones.
There
are,
you
know:
passenger
type
zones,
food
pickup,
there's
a
lot
of
different
treatments,
north
of
franklin.
F
There
is
some
critical
parking
and
that
you
know
that's.
Certainly
a
concern
is,
if
that
you
know,
becomes
a
larger
issue.
So
that's
those
are
some
of
the
tools
on
the
parking
side.
On
the
neighborhood
traffic
side,
the
the
city
in
a
number
of
locations
looks
at
traffic
calming
and
other
tools
to
really
try
to
manage
vehicle
feeds.
F
Typically,
we
recognize
that
the
two
design
options
that
were
put
out
will
change
circulation,
so
how
you
get
to
a
specific
business
or
a
specific
street
will
change,
and
that
may
cause
some
changes
in
traffic
patterns,
and
that
is
to
be
expected.
But
certainly
what
we
don't
want
is
increases
in
through
traffic
in
the
neighborhood
and
that's
more
where
the
traffic
calming
comes
in
what
it's
targeted
at.
So
there
are
a
lot
of
different
tools
and
I'm
probably
not
the
best
person
to
speak
on
what
is
all
in
the
city's
toolbox.
A
A
E
Okay,
yeah
because
I
mean,
if
you
look
at
it
clearly,
traffic
is
going
to
be
routed
through
the
neighborhoods
just
to
get
to
their
destination
and
calming
I
assume
impressive
speed.
It
doesn't
address
volumes
or
whatever,
but
yeah,
okay,
an
underlying
question
is
you
also
commit
to
robust
program
of
documentation
of
current
counts
patterns
etc
before
construction,
so
you
can
have
a
good
baseline
that
you
got
used
to
identify,
monitor
issues.
E
F
F
E
C
D
You
know
I
do,
and
I
have
I
have
another
meeting
to
leave
as
well,
but
my
main
concern
and
the
reason
that
I
volunteered
for
this
position
is
I'm.
You
know
we
are
business
owners
on
the
street
and
we
started
a
small
business
called
isles
bun
and
coffee
in
1993
and
when
they
resurfaced
hennepin
avenue,
our
business
dropped
40
percent.
D
It
seems
to
me
unless
I'm
wrong,
that
the
city
is
like
thomas
indicated,
that
it's
more
interested
in
end-to-end
than
it
is
the
local
businesses
and
the
property
owners
in
between
we're
paying
60
000
a
year
for
this
building,
and
we
have
9
000
square
feet.
And
if
you
crush
these
businesses
we
won't
be
able
to
pay
those
taxes.
Does
anybody
care
about
local
businesses
in
the
city.
A
Of
course
we
care,
I
mean,
I
mean
your
question.
I
think
we
answered
the
question
about
just
like
throughput.
It's
it's
not
about
trying
to
get
to
push
people
through
the
neighborhood.
You
know
a
lot
of
the
reasons
why
we
put
out
the
draft
concept.
The
draft
concepts
that
we
did
is
because
it's
based
in
city
policy
right,
it's
how
you
allocate
road
space
and
how
you
rebalance
the
transportation
system
that
doesn't
mean
that
we're
not
trying
that
we're
trying
to
take
away
the
destination
that
hennepin
is
along
this
corridor.
A
In
terms
of
your
questions
about
or
your
comment
about
resurfacing-
and
you
know
the
drop
in
business
that
precipitated,
as
a
result
of
that,
I
mean
resurfacings,
typically
only
take
a
couple
of
days.
I
mean
a
reconstruction
effort.
You
know
those
are
things
that
you
know
take
place
over
a
couple
of
years.
There's
no
question
that
there
are
typically
impacts
that
happen
as
a
result
of
reconstruction,
and
we
work
really
closely
with
business
owners
to
try
and
mitigate
those
impacts
of
construction.
A
You
know
jonette,
and
I
right
now
can't
tell
you
what
construction
staging
looks
like
from
this
project.
Right
now,
and
because
we
don't
know
what
we're
going
to
construct,
but
ultimately
you
know-
we've
heard
concerns
about
that
and
you
know
maintaining
access
circulation,
pedestrian
connections,
etc.
That
certainly
will
occur
for
this
project.
It
is
a
priority,
especially
during
construction.
A
I
know
there
are
a
lot
of
comments
too
about
just
shortening
the
actual
duration
of
construction.
You
know,
but
the
the
reconstruction
of
the
street
itself.
You
know
this
is
a
street
that
was
reconstructed
last
in
1957,
we've
got
utility
work
to
do,
the
street
surfaces
is,
is
failing.
We
need
to
do
this
work
and
we'll
certainly
work
with
businesses
to
do
the
best
that
we
can
to
ensure
that
your
customers
are
still
able
to
access
your
businesses
and
to
get
to
your
your
properties.
You
know
during
construction.
D
The
the
main,
the
main
current
concern
that
I
have
is
just
the
blatant
overlooking
of
any
parking
on
the
street.
Everybody
is
so
concerned
about
running
them
again
from
end
to
end,
but
nobody
is
going
to
be
able
to
pull
up
in
front
of
anybody's
business
or
or
any
now.
The
cutouts
on
lindale
are
great,
but
you
guys
are
just
cutting
everything
out
and
just
running
running
bicycles.
Now
this
is
this
is
not
portland
oregon.
This
is
minnesota
and
being
concerned
about
the
businesses
in
parking
and
pull-ups.
D
I
I
think
have
to
be
more
more
looked
at
instead
of
just
moving
people
through
end-to-end,
so
I
I,
I
really
have
a
huge,
huge
problem
with
this
and
if
you
guys
want
me
off
the
board,
I
would
be
happy
to
do
that,
but
this
is
a.
This
is
a
disastrous
plan.
You
give
us
an
a
and
a
b
plan
and
the
whole
street
has
zero
parking
and
it's
it's
it's
a
disastrous.
A
But
steve
I
mean,
let's
be,
let's
be
honest:
there's
there's
parking,
that's
been
provided
and
we
know
that
the
street
is
not
going
to
be
reconstructed
as
it
is
today.
There's
some
sort
of
in
between
it
can't
be
reconstructed
as
it
was
in
1957.
We
simply
don't
have
a
policy
basis
to
support
that,
whether
there's
bike
facilities
or
whether
there's
not
whether
there's
more
parking
and
loading
that's
put
in
those
are
all
points
of
negotiation.
We're
going
to
be
looking
at
this
corridor
on
a
block
by
block
basis
based
on
the
feedback
that
we
receive.
A
It's
it's
not
going
to
have
two
full
sides
of
parking
like
it
does
today,
and
so
we've
got
to
find
some
sort
of
middle
ground
to
be
able
to
provide
parking
and
loading,
and
it's-
and
it's
probably
going
to
be
more
like
short-term
parking
and
loading.
We
know
we
have
to
be
able
to
accommodate
loading.
We
know
we
need
to
be
able
to
do
pickups
and
drop-offs
with
shorts
amounts
of
time,
but
we're
we're
not
going
to
have
340
parking
spaces
along
the
corridor.
We've
got
to
find
some
sort
of
middle
ground
in
there.
A
E
A
I
would
just
add
that
we
do
have
parking
and
in
both
of
the
options,
one
greater
than
the
other
and
we're
going
to
look
at
adding
more
back
in.
But
a
lot
depends
upon
what
option
is
moved
forward.
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
space
if
we
move
forward
with
option
one
there.
Just
isn't
the
space
we've
maxed
that
out
there
are
opportunities,
but
we're
also
trying
to
balance
that
with
a
desire
for
green
space
and
trees
and
green
infrastructure,
which
is
also
an
adopted
city
policy.
A
So
we
have
people
on
one
side,
and
I
want
to.
I
want
to
be
really
clear
about
this
is
that
we
have
people
on
both
sides
here
and
unfortunately,
we've
got
like
the
parking
issue,
and
then
we
have
people
that
are
basically
saying
we
shouldn't
even
have
vehicular
traffic
on
the
corridor.
So
we
and
every
viewpoint
in
between,
as
you
can
imagine
so
we're
we're
balancing
a
lot
of
diverse
stakeholder
interests,
whether
there's
a
bike
facility
or
not
whether
there's
more
parking
or
not.
A
We
have
very
strong
policy
guidance
at
the
city
and
that's
why
the
draft
concepts
are
the
way
that
they
are
we're
going
to
take
this
public
feedback,
thousands
and
thousands
of
comments
and
try
and
distill
it
down
into
information
that
is
usable
and
shareable
and
then
we'll
be
back
to
let
you
know
what
direction
we're
moving
forward
and
we
understand
we
have
heard
it
over
and
over
again,
we
understand
that
parking
is
important,
that
loading
is
important
and
we
understand
that
so
we,
you
know
it
is
loud
and
clear.
We
hear
that
aspect.
A
We
also
hear,
on
the
other
end
that
we
want.
You
know
we,
we
want
dedicated
bicycle
lanes
that
are
separated
that
what
you're
showing
is
inadequate.
They
want
every
single
comment,
possibly
that
could
come
in.
We
have
very
divergent
viewpoints
very
divergent
stakeholder
interests
along
this
corridor.
I,
I
would
not
be
I'm
completely
truthful
in
saying
that
I
care
about
all
of
the
interests.
It
is
very
difficult
because
I
can't
create
more
space,
there's
only
a
certain
amount
of
space
in
the
corridor.
A
E
C
B
Yeah,
I
I
just
had
a
quick
clarification
question
on
the
option
two
section
of
it
and
I'm
sorry
to
go
back
to
the
to
the
parking
thing,
but
I
did
hear
a
comment
made
that
there
was
gonna
be
some
some
offloading
drop-offs
like
parking.
Do
you
know
when
we'll
get
those
like
concepts
out
to
the
public?
B
F
So
in
terms
of
so
option,
two
has
has
more
parking
spaces
on
on
option.
Two
today
then
option
one
we
are
looking
at
where
there
are
opportunities
to
add
more.
We
don't
have
a
specific
timeline
of
when
we
would
put
that
back
out
to
the
public
yeah.
I
would
say
certainly
what
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
that,
as
becca
mentioned,
some
properties
have
a
lot
of
off
street
parking.
So,
even
if
people
are
parking
right
in
front
of
their
business,
it's
not
because
there
isn't
space
off
street.
F
It
might
just
be
more
convenient
to
pull
up
on
the
curb
and
run
in
those
are
obviously
not
as
high
priorities
as
properties
where
there
is
no
off
street
parking.
So
we're
trying
to
do
the
due
diligence
to
see
what
what
can
we
fit,
but
but
recognizing
that
the
need
just
isn't
the
same
in
every
block.
So,
like
I
said
we
don't
have
a
timeline
for
when
we
would
come
back
out
to
the
public.
F
B
A
A
C
B
C
C
A
lot
of
the
decisions
about
specifically
in
detail
what
happens
between
the
curb
line
and
the
property
line
or
the
building
line,
is
the
next
phase
of
the
discussion.
So
the
layout
is
really
a
critical
decision
because
that's
the
geometry
of
the
street,
if
you
will
there's
the
council
is
not
they're,
not
just
setting
the
curb
line,
so
I'm
paraphrasing
and
shorthanding
it.
C
But
you
know
once
we
know
where
the
curb
line
is
going
to
be
and
where
the
policy
makers
say.
This
is
where
the
curb
line
is
going
to
be.
It's
not
just
the
curb
line,
of
course,
but
it's
also
the
lane
configuration
and
and
how
wide
that
actual
roadway
is
going
to
be
and
what
the
use
of
that
roadway
is
going
to
be.
So
it's
not
that
all
decisions
for
the
project
will
be
august,
but
some
very
critical
ones
will
be,
will
go
to
the
council
at
least
projected
by
as
in
august.
E
C
This
you
know
move
on
to
the
ssd.
You
know,
wherever
sort
of
the
you
know,
census
lands
in
terms
of
business
community
from
an
ssd
management
perspective.
We
say
we
have
said
stay
pay
attention
to
this
concept
layout
process
in
this
phase,
because
it
is
the
foundation
upon
which
all
of
the
later
final
project
decisions
will
be
faced.
E
And
michael
for
your
information-
and
this
is
initiated
with
the
uptown
association-
I've
got
a
petition
going.
I've
done
a
test
on
the
blocks
between
27th
and
28th,
we're
basically
ignoring
national
people.
We
will
not
go
to
walgreens.
We
won't
not
go
to
bank
of
america,
although
their
landlord
has
signed
it.
Just
fyi
for
the
bank
of
america
building
the
basis.
C
E
We're
we're
not
going
to
national
people
like
bank
of
america,
walgreens,
that's
what
local
people
and,
by
the
way
the
bank
of
america
landlord,
has
signed
the
petition
I'm
getting
100
buy-in
from
businesses.
It
is
a
very
I
don't
have
to
do
a
sales
job,
okay,
they
are
signing
it
and
we're
just
and
we're
going
to
just
start
moving.
E
E
D
Right
just
to
go
just
to
go
on
the
other
side
of
that.
You
know,
as
he
was
talking
about
all
of
this
off
street
parking.
What
they're
doing
on
one
of
our
projects
on
the
east
side
of
hennepin
is
they're,
choking
us
off
on
a
driveway
and
and
making
us
a
little
bitty
driveway
and
taking
one
of
the
driveways
out.
So
not
only
are
they
talking
about
taking
parking
away
from
the
street,
but
they're
they're
talking
about
choking
off
our
parking
lot,
so
these
guys
in
the
city
are
are
are
going
to.
D
C
Appreciate
those
comments,
tom,
thank
you
for
for
that
update
jonette.
I
think
we're
past
when
you
said
you
stick
around,
so
thank
you
again
for
presenting
today.
I
suspect
we'll
ask
you
back
as
the
as
the
project
importance
here
in
in
the
in
the
coming
months.
You
know
when
we
hit
further
further
benchmarks
and
milestone
project
design,
so
jeanette.
Thank
you.
Can
I
make
one
last
comment.
E
C
C
Yeah
joannette,
thank
you,
yeah,
we'll.
Let
you
peel
off
jonette
and
with
tom
freezing
up
here
this
frank
and
steve,
we
can
at
least
he's
still
frozen
on
my
screen.
We
can,
we
can
keep
going
or
we
can.
We
can
wrap
up
steve.
I
very
much
appreciate
your
comments,
frank.
I
appreciate
your
comments,
the
it
it
is
a
a
complicated
project,
steve.
I
think
you
you
were
involved
when
the
the,
as
you
mentioned
the
street
resurfacing.
C
I
remember
what
that
process
looked
about
like
back
in
the
late
90s
and
was
very
much
aware
and
involved
as
the
decisions
around
that
and,
as
you
may
recall,
the
original
plan
at
the
time
was
to
reconstruct
heinepen,
then
full
reconstruction.
So
you
know
they.
They
went
back
evaluated
conditions
and
determined
they
could
do
a
mill
and
overlay
and
some
other
more
modest
changes
to
the
corridor.
D
She
was
wrong
that
she
said
it
was
just
a
two
or
three
day
process
this.
This
jammed
us
up
all
summer,
so
these
these
guys
they
weren't
they
weren't,
even
in
business
when
we
were
in
business
in
in
the
late
90s.
So
these
guys-
and
if
I
cause
a
problem
on
this
committee,
I
will
I'll
I'll
back
off.
But
boy
I'll,
tell
you
this.
This
is
a
a
disaster
waiting
to
happen
to
the
local
businesses.
C
Steve
we
we
would
you
are.
The
purpose
of
this
group
is
to
allow
stakeholders,
property
owners,
business
owner
representatives
like
yourself
to
be
able
to
express
and
describe
you
know
their
their
goals
for
the
corridor.
So
there
you
have
said
nothing
that
would
impinge
upon
your
ability
to
continue
to
serve
on
this
group
and
I'll
shorthand
it
to
say
you
don't
get
out
that
easy.
So.
C
B
C
Obviously,
the
the
project
leaders,
just
like
in
the
case
of
the
uptown
ssd
are
wanna,
are,
are
willing
to
engage
this
this
advisory
board
and
both
ask
for
your
feedback.
You
know
and
in
your
comments
regarding
the
design
so
and
tom,
I
only
since
we
got
through
about
half
of
your
15
questions,
so
they
you
know.
Certainly
you
know,
I
think
any
remaining
questions
you
could
email,
jonett
or
becca
and
jonette
they'd
probably
be
fine
answering
offline.
E
We
got
enough
covered,
we
got
enough
coverage.
To
be
honest,
I
mean
I
got
the
high
level
and
you
know
the
critical
thing
I
don't
want.
I
think
everybody
needs
to
get
going,
probably
I'm
just
sitting
in
a
car.
So
it's
easy
for
me,
but
the
critical
thing
is,
you
know
if
the
businesses
are
not
doing
well
on
the
corridor,
which
I
think
this
project
will
result
in.
Otherwise,
you
know
if
I
thought
it
was
great
for
the
corridor.
I'd
be
all
in
hey
city.
Let
me
help
you
out.
E
Let's
anything
we
can
do
to
make
it
happen.
Obviously,
if
they're
not
doing
well
in
the
corridor,
what
is
the
appetite
for?
Basically
maintaining,
which
I
think
is
actually
in
some
ways,
lesser
green
space?
What
will
be
the
appetite
for
an
ssd?
And
I
think
that's
one
issue
that
the
city
has
not
thought
through
well,
so
you
know
why
you
know
on
one
hand,
you
shove
this
thing
down
our
throats,
which
I
think
steve
would
face.
E
His
teeth
come
and
I
can't
believe
he
went
in
second
if
this
goes
through
this
way,
shove
down
our
throats
and
then
you
expect
us
to
go
and
help
pick
up
pieces.
It
doesn't
work
that
it
doesn't
work
that
well,
you
know
I'm
not
trying
to
be
dramatic
or
whatever,
but
I'm
just
going
hey
come
on.
You
know
we're
very
happy
to
participate
in
an
outcome
that
works
for
all
concerns.
That's
been
the
general
approach
here,
the
business
district.
E
D
Well,
I
was
just
I
was
just
gonna
chime
in
on
the
fact
that
the
difference
between
reality
and
and
what's
going
to
happen
here
is
the
people
are
going
to
have
to
look
at
long
term.
They
can't
they
can't.
They
can't
expect
these
business
owners
to
pay
the
kind
of
taxes
we're
paying
on
these
buildings
and
then
and
then
then
close
our
tenants,
businesses
off
and
expect
everybody
to
be
remain
happy
as
the
people
go
from
franklin
to
36th
and
don't
stop
in
the
in
the
district.
D
C
C
C
Your
your
comment
that
you
made
just
a
moment
ago
is
is
certainly
not
lost
on
the
ssd
project
team
that
the
the
decisions
of
the
corridor
may
result
in
you
know
willingness
and
you
know,
sort
of
the
level
of
interest
on
the
maintenance
perspective
from
the
you
know
in
terms
of
what
the
ssd
does
we,
certainly
amongst
david
andy
and
myself.
We
certainly
recognize
that
you
know
there's
a
bigger
universe
of
certain
decisions
that
the
ssd
and
the
property
owners
are
going
to
be
making
decisions.
D
Well,
I
guess
that
I
would
probably
would
want
to
move
on
from
this,
but
I
would
not
want
to
have
the
city
have
some
kind
of
an
open,
open
gate
to
be
sending
concepts
down
river
without
us
taking
a
look
at
it.
So
I
would,
I
am
available
to
have
a
meeting
at
any
time
or
to
look
at
any
suggestions,
and
I
want
to
I
want
to
remain
open
on
this,
because
I
think
we
need
some.
D
E
D
C
C
Definitely
there's
no
dearth
of
you
know
online
presence
for
this
project,
so
I
would
certainly
encourage
there
are
lots
of
people
writing
about
this
project
on
various
websites
and
blogs
and
of
local
interests,
so
by
all
means
there
are
places
to
to
plug
in.
There
are
other
the
uptown
association
where
other
business
and
property
owners
have
contacted
me.
They
also
have
expressed
their
concerns.
D
Let
me
just
have
one
final
comment
here
is
that
you
know
in
in
my
little
comment
with
hughes
on
on
the
deal
she
had
huge
pushback
to
my
comments
and
concerns,
and
I
already
feel
like
the
train
has
left
the
station.
So
I
think
that
we
need
to
be
extra
extra
sharp
on
this
deal,
because
these
guys
are
moving
forward
and
there
and
she
pushed
she
pushed
hard
on
me.