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From YouTube: June 3, 2021 Zoning Board of Adjustment
Description
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Good
afternoon,
everyone
welcome
to
this
live
broadcast
of
our
virtual
meeting
today
june
3rd
2021.
This
meeting
includes
the
remote
participation
of
members
as
authorized
under
minnesota
statute,
section
13d
.021,
due
to
the
declared
local
health
pandemic
for
the
record.
My
name
is
matt
perry
and
I'm
chair
of
the
zoning
board
of
adjustment.
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Thanks,
let's
review
the
agenda:
I'll
read
the
agenda
number
and
the
address
of
the
project
and
state
whether
it's
slated
for
consent,
continuance,
withdrawal
return
or
discussion
and
I'll
just
quickly
talk
about
what
consent
items
are
and
what
discussion
items
are
consent
items
are
those
that
will
be
passed
without
discussion
by
the
board,
we'll
be
adhering
to
the
staff
recommendation
found
on
your
agenda
under
the
item's
recommended
motion.
Section
importantly,
any
applicable
conditions
will
be
listed
in
the
same
section.
B
If
you
agree
with
this
recommendation,
including
any
applicable
conditions,
you
need
to
do
nothing
and
the
board
will
pass
it
as
recommended.
Please
check
in
with
a
staff
member
assigned
to
that
item.
If
you
have
questions
following
the
decision,
if
you
disagree
with
the
recommendation,
please
indicate
you'd
like
to
speak
against
the
item.
When
I
ask
and
we'll
put
it
on
the
discussion
agenda
and
board,
members
can
also
pull
items
for
discussion
if
they
so
choose,
and
here
are
what
discussion
items
are.
B
These
are
items
for
which
the
board
will
take
public
testimony
deliberate
on
and
make
a
decision
after
the
public.
Testimony
has
been
heard
for
each
particular
discussion.
Item
I
will
close
the
public
hearing
for
that
agenda
item
once
I
close
the
public
hearing
for
an
item.
No
additional
public
testimony
will
be
taken,
but
staff
may
be
asked
to
address
board
questions
after
the
public
hearing.
For
an
item
is
closed.
Board
members
will
then
discuss
and
act
on
motions
and
on
in
point
of
procedure,
the
chair
only
votes
in
the
case
of
a
tie.
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I
Thank
you
chairperry
and
members
of
the
board.
Could
it
staff
pull
up
a
copy
of
the
slides
that
staff
had
submitted
for
this
item?
Thank
you.
This
is
a
request
for
variances
for
lawful
establishment
of
an
existing
retaining
wall
and
fence
at
34,
15,
two
and
a
half
street
northeast.
This
is
a
triangular
property.
It's
just
under
85
feet
wide,
measured
along
the
front
lot
line
to
the
west
along
two
and
a
half
street
in
the
corner
side.
I
The
diagonal
you
can
see
in
the
survey
here
that
faces
edge
plays
to
the
southeast
of
the
subject,
property.
You
can
see
the
existing
house
and
garage
and
the
bulk
of
the
open
yard
space
and
the
property
is
in
the
southwest
corner
of
the
lot
towards
the
front
and
the
corner
side.
Next
slide.
Please.
I
I
On
the
right
hand,
side
of
this
photo
at
the
the
tallest
portion
of
the
retaining
wall
that
measures
approximately
four
feet:
four
inches
above
the
adjacent
sidewalk
retaining
walls
not
retaining
natural
grade,
are
subject
to
minimum
yard
requirements,
including
a
district
standard,
minimum
required
front
yard
of
20
feet
from
the
front
property
line.
You
can
also
see
they've
constructed
this
opaque
wooden
fence,
and
this
is
not
exactly
on
top
of
the
retaining
wall,
but
it's
just
actually
behind
it
and
it
does
wrap
around
the
corner
side
which
I'll
I'll
talk
about
in
a
second.
I
I
This
is
another
street
view
photo
from
july
of
2019
this
time,
showing
the
the
corner
side
and
again,
you
can
see
that
kind
of
flat
yard
area
at
the
top
of
the
slope,
but
the
property
is
a
little
bit
higher
than
the
the
curb
and
the
street.
This
is
kind
of
edge
place
going
off
to
to
the
right
here.
Next
slide,
please.
I
This
is
another
more
recent
photo.
I
think
this
one
is
actually
from
the
from
the
zoning
inspector,
but
again
shows
those
improvements
that
have
been
installed,
including
the
fence
which
continues
around
the
corner
side
and
and
goes
all
the
way
to
the
back
of
the
property.
Essentially
I'll,
just
call
out
the
that,
on
the
left
hand,
side
you
can
see
the
the
end
of
that
same
retaining
wall
that
was
visible
in
the
previous
photos
that
retaining
wall
does
not
continue
around
the
corner
side.
I
I
Opaque
fences
like
this
are
subject
to
a
maximum
height
of
three
feet
in
a
required
yard,
as
well
as
that
same
maximum
height
of
three
feet
in
the
portion
of
the
required
corner
side
yard
in
front
of
the
rear
wall
of
the
house.
So
the
applicant
is
requesting
three
total
variances
one
for
that:
retaining
wall
not
retaining
natural
grade
in
a
required
front
yard
and
then
two
additional
variances
regarding
the
maximum
fence
height
one
in
the
front
and
one
on
the
corner
side.
We
can
stay
on
this
side
for
the
rest
of
my
presentation.
I
So
specifically
regarding
the
retaining
wall
staff
finds
that
these
factors
do
constitute
practical
difficulties,
supporting
the
proposed
variants
for
the
retaining,
while
not
retaining
natural
grade.
However,
staff
find
that
these
do
not
constitute
practical
difficulties
which
support
the
proposed
fence
height
variances.
I
Ultimately,
the
shape
of
the
property
has
no
impact
on
on
the
height
of
a
fence
which
has
been
installed
here.
As
I
mentioned,
the
maximum
height
requirements
do
vary
in
different
portions
of
a
property,
but
this
is
a
function
of
the
ordinance
itself
and
and
doesn't
constitute
a
practical
difficulty
in
educate
in
this
case.
Furthermore,
much
of
the
violation
in
this
case
could
be
corrected
by
either
converting
to
an
open,
decorative
fence
without
changing
the
overall
height
or
by
reducing
the
overall
height
to
three
feet
in
these
areas,
while
maintaining
the
existing
opacity.
I
Both
of
these
modifications
would
bring
defense
into
compliance
with
zoning
requirements
for
maximum
fence
height
for
the
second
required
finding
regarding
spirit
and
intent
of
the
ordinance
and
the
comprehensive
plan
for
minimum
yard
requirements.
Generally,
the
intent
of
the
code
is
to
promote
orderly
development
and
ensure
access
to
light
air
and
open
space
for
the
setback,
requirements
that
apply
to
retaining
walls
not
retaining
natural
grades.
Specifically,
the
intent
is
to
prevent
the
generation
or
redirection
of
additional
stormwater
stormwater
runoff
toward
neighboring
properties,
specifically
to
speak
about
the
proposed
use.
Generally.
I
As
this,
you
know,
semi-private
outdoor
space
in
this
kind
of
front
corner
side
portion
of
the
property
staff
finds
that
that
is
reasonable,
especially
considering
the
the
unique
shape
of
the
property
and
staff
finds
that
the
retaining
wall
is
a
reasonable
means
to
mitigate
small
slopes
like
this
and
improve
the
utility
of
the
yard.
But
for
for
the
fence
height,
the
spirit
and
intent
of
that
portion
of
the
zoning
code
is
to
promot
provide
some
measure
of
privacy,
while
also
allowing
some
visibility
to
and
from
the
site,
particularly
on
street,
facing
frontages.
I
The
ordinance
does
allow
taller
fences
in
rear
yards
where
congregating
is,
is
more
common
and
where
there
is
a
greater
expectation
of
privacy,
but
these
stricter
requirements
regarding
fence
heights
in
front
and
corner
side.
They
relate
to
the
principles
of
crime
prevention
through
environmental
design,
which
promote
natural
surveillance
of
outdoor
spaces,
including
to
and
from
private
properties
in
the
public
right-of-way.
I
Although
there
are
you
know,
other
portions,
for
it
is
less
extreme,
but
still
in
violation
of
the
ordinance
and
so
staff
does
find
that
the
spirit
and
intent
of
the
ordinance
to
allow
some
views
in
and
out
of,
particularly
this
portion
of
the
site
staff
finds
that
would
not
be
met
by
by
the
fence
height,
various
requests
for
the
third
finding
regarding
essential
character,
locality
and
potential
for
injury
or
detriment.
Staff
finds
that
this
is
met
for
all
requested.
I
I
The
retaining
wall
would
alter
the
drainage
in
this
portion
of
the
property
somewhat,
but
not
in
a
way
that
would
increase
runoff
towards
the
public
street
or
the
sidewalk
and
with
the
the
southern
end
of
the
retaining
wall
on
the
fence
closest
to
that
southwest
corner
of
the
property
they're
sufficiently
separated
from
the
curbs
and
the
streets
itself
as
to
not
create
any
sight
line,
issues
for
vehicles
in
the
area.
So,
in
conclusion,
staff
recommendation
is
for
approval
of
the
requested
variants
for
the
retaining
wall,
not
retaining
natural
grade
within
a
required
front
yard.
I
B
I'm
not
seeing
any
right
now,
but
I
do
have
a
question,
mr
cole.
Haas,
can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
the?
I
think
the
applicant
brought
up
in
in
our
packet
in
their
statement
that,
because
of
this
unique
configuration
and
their
need
for
some
privacy,
that
they
didn't
have
much
of
a
backyard
per
se,
and
this
was
this
fence
configuration
as
it
is,
was
to
make
up
for
that.
Can
you
speak
a
little
bit
to
that
and
how
staff
looked
at
that.
I
Yeah,
thank
you,
sherry
perry
for
for
your
question.
I
did
see
that
in
that
portion
of
the
applicant's
written
statement,
and
that
was
something
that
you
know
we
had
discussed
sort
of
throughout
the
the
variance
process,
and
as
I
mentioned,
we
we
do
recognize
that
the
shape
of
this
property
is
is
somewhat
unique,
with
with
the
sort
of
triangular
shape
and
the
way
that
it's
oriented
does
result
in
less
open
yard
space.
I
In
you
know,
behind
the
house
in
the
traditional
sort
of
backyard,
where
again,
you
would
expect
more
kind
of
congregating
and
a
greater
expectation
of
privacy.
So
we
do
recognize
that,
but
the
fact
remains
that
this
is
still
a
front
and
corner
side
yard
where
they,
you
know,
the
bulk
of
these
changes
are
happening.
So,
even
though
the
shape
of
the
lot
does
result
in
you
know
this,
just
the
bulk
of
the
open
space
being
in
this
portion
of
the
property
that
doesn't
necessarily
justify
from
a
staff
perspective.
I
Having
this
increased,
this
increased
fence
height
specifically,
you
know,
the
intent
of
the
code
is
still
to
allow
allow
views
in
and
out
of
the
property,
regardless
of
sort
of
what
the
shape
of
the
property
is
or
what
sort
of
the
expectation
is
for
use,
and
this
is
kind
of
similar
to
even
on
a
more
rectangular
property
that
might
have
a
larger
corner
side
yard,
where
there
might
be
a
greater
expectation
of
sort
of
congregation
on
that
portion
of
the
property.
That's
still
subject
to
these
more
strict
fed
site
requirements
as
well.
B
B
B
B
J
D
J
D
J
D
J
J
So
when
we're
buying
this
house,
we
fell
in
love
with
it.
A
couple
of
things
that
I
just
would
like
to
point
out
is
we
had
a
nice,
our
back
door
open
to
the
south?
You
know
we
had
a
really
beautiful
view
of
the
skyline
part
of
it
and
we
liked
the
little
deck
and
the
small
space
the
neighborhood
seemed
very
safe
and
secure.
J
J
J
B
J
So
some
of
the
challenges
that
we
kind
of
had
when
trying
to
figure
out
the
route
and
direction
covid
was
one
of
them.
I
actually
reached
out
to
alex
in
june
of
2020
to
try
to
get
more
information
on
what
we
can
and
cannot
do
at
the
time
they
were
not
able
to
come
out
to
us.
They
were
not
doing
site
visits
and
we
kind
of
just
looked
at
a
topical
view
and
talked
through
some
of
the
rules
and
regulations.
J
Another
thing
that
we
had
to
try
to
navigate
to
was
the
steep
and
uneven
slope
right.
We
are
on
the
hillside
at
the
bottom
of
the
hill,
so
north
and
south.
We
have
to
deal
with
the
slope
and
also
kind
of
at
the
north
east
on
edge
street.
There's
also
a
slope
there
that
we
had
to
try
to
navigate
through
that
created
a
little
bit
of
a
challenge
for
us.
Originally,
we
did
try
to
look
at
quotes,
but
for
us
being
new
house
owners
trying
to
save
money,
you
know
being
a
little
bit
frugal.
J
E
J
Thing
that
we
noticed
was
when
we
were
putting
up
the
fence
was
the
ground
is
uneven.
We
did
not
think
to
level
it
off
ahead
of
time
and
we
kind
of
just
rushed
into
it
and
by
the
time
we
completed
it,
we
had
to
stop
and
prepare
ourselves
for
our
child
that
was
coming
and
end
of
november.
So
you
can
see
here
there's
a
photo
of
the
south
east
face
view.
J
E
J
I
know
when
I
talked
to
the
zoning
person
robert
stewart,
because
I
actually
saw
him
he
was
out
there.
He
specifically
pointed
out
that
spot
saying
that
I
was
too
high,
even
though
I
was
trying
to
talk
to
him
and
share
with
him
that
there
are
parts
where
we're
touching
the
ground
and
that
we
weren't
finished
yet,
but
future
state.
We
want
to
be
able
to
put
block
underneath.
So
I
do
not
need
to
weed
that
along
the
fence
line.
J
I
would
like
to
be
able
to
just
pull
them
over
other
things
that
we'd
like
to
do
is
we'd
like
to
do
some
more
landscaping,
and
with
that
we
mean
erosion,
control
along
that
hillside
of
where
that
retaining
wall
is
before
that
we
used
to
have
mulch
that
we
raked
out.
We
also
pulled
up
a
bush
that
was
kind
of
becoming
overgrown
and
remove
that
as
well.
J
We
want
to
create
a
bee
friendly
space,
we'd
like
to
have
a
little
bit
of
a
garden
and
also
kind
of
put
some
water
capture
system
from
our
roof
to
be
able
to
use
that
for
our
gardens.
So
these
are
some
of
the
other
things
that
we
want
to
do.
Obviously
time
is
always
against
us,
but
you
know
I
just
kind
of
want
to
prove.
The
point,
though,
is
you
know
we
are
on
this
journey
right
now
to
really
kind
of
make
this
our
home
next
slide.
J
J
J
These
conditions
create
a
practical
difficulty
in
providing
a
private
outdoor
space
for
use
by
residents
of
the
property,
while
observing
the
maximum
fence
height
of
four
feet
along
the
side
of
the
home.
These
conditions
were
not
created
by
the
applicant
and
were
not
economic
alone,
and
I
thought
there
was
a
lot
of
similarities
between
them
and
us,
and
I
know
that
we
are
requesting
the
front
as
well,
but
I
will
get
more
into
that
in
a
minute.
J
J
All
right,
so
this
is
just
kind
of
an
over
overhead
view.
It's
not
quite
a
survey.
This
is
just
what
was
provided
and
that's
all
they
requested
from
the
applicant.
When
I
reviewed
the
variants,
as
you
can
see
here
in
the
back,
they
gave
her
full
privacy
from
the
side
door
all
the
way
into
the
backyard.
J
J
There's
other
variants
with
the
same
unique
type
slot
a
corner
lot.
We
mean
by
that
where
they
did
get
an
approval
for
a
six
foot,
high
fence
and
they
received
a
six
foot
high
approval,
but
we're
not
requesting
that
we're
just
requesting
because
they
get
full
privacy
right,
no
matter
where
someone's
standing,
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
see
in,
we
are
just
requesting
a
little
bit
more
privacy
than
what
we
currently
have
today
right.
J
You
know,
but
if
you
step
back
to
the
other
side
of
the
road,
your
your
field
of
view
is
actually
going
to
become
larger.
You
can
see
that
in
some
of
the
pictures,
where
they're
taking
them
a
little
bit
further
back.
You
have
a
lot
of
access
to
be
able
to
see
into
our
property,
and
I
know
that
we
are
a
little
bit
over,
but
that
little
bit
over
that
we're
asking
for
actually
gives
us
that
little
bit
of
privacy
that
we're
kind
of
looking
for
for
people
who
are
closer
in
proximity
to
us.
J
You
know
that's
kind
of
what
I'd
like
to
point
out.
If
you
see
in
the
lower
left
hand
corner
right,
average
person
is
about
510
their
line
of
sight.
Let's
just
say
it's
five
five,
you
know
if
they're
standing
kind
of
at
the
center
of
our
property
on
edge
street.
Looking
in,
if
you
see
where
that
star
is
there's
a
three
foot
rise,
and
at
that
point
we
also
have
a
four
foot,
four
inch
fencer,
and
if
you
see
that,
like
the
difference
between
that
they,
they
really
can
see
over
quite
a
bit.
J
So
again,
I
know
one
of
the
things
that
they
did
point
out
was
the
overall
height,
but
obviously
I
think
they're
taking
it
more
of
the
worst
areas.
There
are
dips
and
valleys
that
we
currently
have
within
our
our
yard,
because
we
haven't
been
able
to
finish
our
landscaping
yet
and
they
did
not
take
more
of
the
best
area.
So
I
don't
think
that
the
dimensions
that
they're
giving
you
are
necessarily
correct.
J
J
It
should
be
the
last
one,
we're
just
really
by
removing
some
of
the
sense
aspects.
We're
removing
some
of
our
privacy
is
something
we
kind
of
wanted
to
talk
about
and
also
is
going
to
create
a
potential
safety
hazard
for
our
little
child.
We
have
a
little
boy
who's
going
to
be
walking
in
the
near
future,
and
you
know
he
will
be
climbing
for
him
climbing
around
that
retaining
wall
would
definitely
be
a
concern
for
us
and
also
kind
of
sticking
his
hands
through
the
fence
and
everything
else.
B
B
B
K
So
my
name
is
sarah
hooper
fisher
and
I'm
currently
a
resident
at
3415
two
and
a
half
straight
northeast
minneapolis
minnesota.
I
am,
I
went
to
high
school
in
minneapolis
minnesota.
I've
lived
here
most
of
my
entire
adult
life
and
we
have
worked
really
hard
like
elliot
said,
to
make
this
house
a
home,
and
part
of
that
is
utilizing
this
space
our
unique
lot
as
best
as
we
can
and
as
he
spoke
to
the
approved
variants
that
we
found.
K
You
know,
there's
been
other
lots
similar
to
ours
in
minneapolis,
where
it's
been
approved,
that
the
resident
can
have
a
higher
fence
on
the
side
of
their
property.
If
the
property
doesn't
have,
you
know
kind
of
a
reasonable
backyard
and
they're,
you
know
we
are
one
of
those
lots
where
we're
trying
to
use
our
side
lots
our
side,
part
of
our
property,
like
other
residents,
use
their
backyards,
and
so
our
fence
is
a
little
bit
higher
in
certain
spots.
K
Again,
elliot
spoke
to
specifically
why
you
know
maybe
eight
inches
over
in
one
spot
and
maybe
only
a
couple
inches
over
in
another
spot,
and
that's
because
you
know
we're
working
with
three
hills:
we're
working
with
uneven
hills
and
we
drew
a
line
and
we
built
an
even
fence,
and
so
in
some
spots
it's
a
little
higher
and
it's
a
little
lower
and
we're
working
to
even
that
out
and
you'll.
See
that
you
know
the
perceived
height
may
change
a
little.
K
It
will
only
you
know,
get
lower
and
more
even,
but
you
know,
I
think
we
are
asking
for
to
be
able
to
use
this
unique
lot
in
a
way
that
is
similar
to
our
neighbors
with
privacy.
Again,
like
elliott
mentioned,
there
are
no
neighbors
to
the
south
of
us.
That
is
actually
a
road
with
no
sidewalk,
and
it
leads
right
up
to
a
light
industrial
space
that
then
leads
to
railroad
tracks
and
there
are
constantly
trains
on
that
space.
K
And
so
you
know
not
only
is
the
fence
a
you
know,
a
really
big
requirement
for
having
young
children
and
pets,
but
also
the
privacy,
is
something
that
we
are
really
looking
for.
So
I
think
you
know
that's
the
big
points
kind
of
to
reiterate
what
elliott
went
through
in
the
powerpoint
that
we
worked
together
to
build.
K
K
B
B
H
Thanks
jared
perry,
I
guess
I
look
at
this
and
see
it's
very
opaque.
It
looks
you
know.
The
idea
of
the
ordinance
seems
to
be
let
some
visibility
through,
and
it
just
seems
like
a
billboard
along
some
of
those
roadways,
and
it
sounds
like
you
know.
If
the
front
section
is
lowered,
eight
inches
it
would
comply
and
I'm
kind
of
torn
on
the
side.
H
A
B
Thanks
for
those
comments-
and
I
will
say
just
on
that
point-
good
memory-
and
we
really
for
the
applicants
we
need
to-
I
appreciate
their
research-
it's
quite
extensive-
that
they
have
done
on
other
variants,
requests
that
have
been
made,
but
we
have
to
look
at
each
property
and
the
uniqueness
of
that
property
individually.
We
don't
set
precedent
on
the
on
this
board,
so
we
look
at
each
property
individually
and
look
for
that
unique
aspect
to
the
property.
B
D
B
B
F
H
B
So
that
motion
passes
to
mr
and
mrs
elliott,
you
can
see
the
staff
person
who
is
assigned
to
this
to
see
what
your
options
are
going
forward.
You
do
have
options
and
you
can
talk
to
them
about
what
those
options
are,
and
we
conclude
our
land
use
request
business.
Is
there
anything
else
on
the
agenda,
or
that
was
not
on
the
agenda
that
people
would
like
to
bring
up?
B
B
G
Chair
perry,
members
of
the
board,
unfortunately
I
don't
have
any
additional
information.
It
will
be
based
upon
the
governor,
eliminating
the
the
declaration.
You
know
the
emergency
declaration
related
to
covid
and
then
of
course,
then,
once
council
starts
meeting
in
person
it
I'm
presuming
that
the
majority
of
them
are
we've
had
some
discussions,
but
I
don't
have
any
sort
of
timeline
and
would
actually
defer
to
the
clerk's
office,
and
I
don't
know
if
mr
dailer
has
any
additional
information.
C
Chair
perry,
if,
if
it's
okay,
I'm
happy
to
provide
a
little
bit
more
context,
although
it's
not
gonna,
be
a
ton
sure
so,
as
as
mr
ellis
said,
we're
still
kind
of
figuring
things
out.
The
city's
emergency
order
is
tied
to
the
governor's
emergency
order
and
when
the
governor's
emergency
powers
end
so
do
the
cities.
This.
The
state
has
recently
approved
some
changes
to
state
statute
that
make
kind
of
a
remote
hybrid
type
meeting
a
little
bit
easier,
but
it's
still
quite
complicated.
C
So
the
city
is
kind
of
currently
working
with
the
attorney's
office
to
take
a
look
at
the
changes
to
open
meeting
law
and
to
kind
of
figure
out
what
we
can
about
when
the
governor's
emergency
powers
will
end
and
kind
of
what
that
will
mean
for
us.
The
the
city
council
is
also
looking
at
its
own
resolution
in
terms
of
right
right
now.
I
believe
the
resolution
states
that
boards
and
commissions
shall
will
meet
remotely.
C
So
there's
also
some
discussion
about
how
and
when
to
change
that,
to
allow
the
boards
to
have
in-person
meetings
or
hybrid
meetings
and
when
exactly
that
will
be
so
the
the
the
the
short
answer
is
basically
we're
still
figuring
it
out
and
we're
unsure,
and
we
we
don't
quite
yet
know
what
that
means.
For
this
board's
next
meeting
or
our
july
meetings,
I
should
say.
C
Sure
sure
so
the
the
open
meeting
law
does
give
some
members
the
potential
to
meet
remotely
while,
while
the
the
main
meeting
is
still
happening
in
a
physical
location,
so
there
are
some
some
new
laws
that
make
it
a
little
bit
easier
for
someone
to
participate
remotely
in
a
way
that
wasn't
the
case
before,
but
we're
still
kind
of
digging
through
that
and
figuring
out
exactly
what
it
means.
So
I
can't
provide
a
whole
lot
more
detail
on
that
at
this
point.
C
B
J
L
C
I
don't
have
any,
I
can't
add.
I
can't
answer
that
question.
I
don't
know
if
mr
ellis,
could
I
don't
want
to
defer
back
to
him.
I
don't
know
if
he's
had
any
conversations
about
that.
What
that
would
look
like
I.
I
do
know
that
the
city
clerk
casey
carl,
is
having
many
meetings
with
our
communications
staff
and
our
attorney's
office
to
figure
figure
that
stuff
out,
but
I
don't
know
specifically
what
that
means
for
this
board.
G
Right
yeah
just
spread
out
again
yeah
to
follow
up.
I
I
don't
have
much
additional
information
other
than
what
mr
taylor
said.
The
only
thing
I
guess
I
would
add
to
that
is
the
only
thing
I'm
aware
of
likely
being
moved
over
to
the
other
building
is
the
city
planning
commission
committee
of
the
whole
would
likely
not
meet
in
city
hall
anymore,
but
they'd
also
did
not
meet
in
council
chambers
already.
So
that's
probably
not
exactly
a
perfect.