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From YouTube: June 23, 2021 Bicycle Advisory Committee
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B
Thanks:
everyone
welcome
to
the
june
23rd
meeting
of
the
minneapolis
bicycle
advisory
committee
notice.
Members
of
this
board
may
participate
remotely
by
telephone
or
other
electronic
means
due
to
the
local
public
health
emergency
novel
coronavirus
pandemic.
Pursuant
to
the
provisions
of
minnesota
statutes,
section
13
d
.021
welcome
everyone,
I'm
going
to
start
by
having
matthew,
call
the
roll,
and
then
we
will
do
a
motion
for
the
adoption
of
the
agenda
and
the
minutes.
C
F
H
E
E
H
I
J
H
E
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I
would
entertain
a
motion
to
adopt
the
agenda
and
accept
the
may
26th
bicycle
advisory
committee
minutes.
Then
I,
before
that
I
do
have
a
question
for
you,
matthew
and
chris
looks
like
in
limbs.
It's
now
attaching
our
5e
and
engineering
subcommittee
items
as
minutes
as
opposed
to
committee
notes.
We've
never
typically
approved
those
as
formal
minutes
before.
So
I
just
wanted
to
ask
if
that
was
just
to
get
things
out
or
if
we're
being
asked
to
formally
approve
our
committee
notes
moving
forward.
A
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H
C
J
K
J
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C
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K
Hi,
so
thanks
for
the
folks
that
were
able
to
join
us
for
the
first
bac
ride
of
the
pandemic,
I
guess
and
yeah
it
was
really
fun.
13
people
started
on
the
ride
and
then
we
headed
from
gold
medal
park
downtown
to
look
at
the
hennepin
tactile
edge.
I
have
some
photos-
oh
great,
so
yeah.
So
I
realized
that
I
didn't
take
any
photos
of
the
ride,
but
fortunately
cadence
john
and
dan
did
so.
I'm
gonna
share
just
a
few
of
those
right
now.
J
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K
K
Like,
let's
see
what
west
of
pantages,
I
think
so
right
in
that
area
in
between
pantages
and
orpheum,
because
the
tactile
strip
is
only
in
the
area
of
the
bus
stops
that
are
on
hennepin,
so
we
were
able
to
stop
and
a
staff
member
was
there
who's
in
charge
of
the
like
downtown
area
for
public
works,
came
out
and
chatted
with
us
about
the
tactile
strip
as
well
yeah
I
mean
it
seemed
like
there
were
more
critiques
than
whoa.
This
is
amazing
things
and
then.
K
D
K
D
Here
we
are,
we
are
in
front
of
the
pantages
on
hennepin
avenue
and
we
stopped
here
and
just
admired
the
newly
opened
bikeway
and
looked
at
the
you
can
see
this
strip
right
here
is
the
separation
between
the
pedestrians
and
the
bikeway,
and
that
was
something
that
was
brand
new
to
me.
I
had
not
seen
that
before
and
it's
made
out
of
a
plastic
material
and
it's
it's
actually
screwed
into
the
pipe
the
pavement,
and
I
guess
there
was
some
concern
that
it
might
be
slippery
when
wet.
D
D
And,
as
you
can
see,
this
is
this
is
now
looking
west
on
hennepin
avenue
or
southwest.
I
guess,
and
the
bicycle
lane
continues
on
for
a
number
of
blocks.
So
this
is
the
area,
that's
probably
95
percent
complete
and
right
here.
This
is
a
temporary
plywood
area
where
the
the
bus
there
will
be
a
a
bus,
shelter
installed
here
right
now,
it's
just
plywood
and
they
covered
it
with
some
sort
of
a
tarp.
D
B
B
Then
there
is
the
tactile
strip,
which
is
what
maybe
six
inches
wide
12
inches
wide,
not
terribly
wide,
it's
kind
of
a
brown
color,
and
it
has
a
lot
of
long
bumps
on
it
and
then
there's
another
small
strip
of
sort
of
regular
sidewalk,
colored
concrete,
and
then
there
is
kind
of
on
the
left
side
of
the
pathway.
There's
a
the
darker
dyed
concrete
to
indicate
the
bikeway
and
then
to
the
left
of
that
is
the
is
the
temporary
shelter
john
mentioned.
J
Yeah,
I
was
just
gonna,
add
that
well
one
we
had
a
few
specific
comments.
One
of
them
was
that
they
print
more
bike
pictures,
particularly
where,
like
they
had
the
pictures
of
bikes
on
the
bike,
the
idea
is
to
be
able
to
separate
bikes
and
pets,
and
they
had
pictures
of
the
bikes
at
the
streets,
but
not
mid
block,
and
we
had
made
a
suggestion
that
they
should
add
bike
images
mid-block,
particularly
outside
theaters
or
bus,
stops
places
where
people
were
likely
to
walk
so
that
they
would
see
them.
J
F
Yeah
dan
miller
and
I
both
rode
over
the
the
tactile
strip
a
bit
and
I
would
say
the
good
news
is
that
even
narrow
tires
won't
get
stuck
in
there
and
cause
you
to
fall.
But
because
of
that,
because
they're
shallow
enough,
where
that's
not
a
problem,
then
it's
also
not
quite
as
clear
of
a
delineator.
So
you
kind
of
have
pros
and
cons
to
that
aspect.
K
Okay,
yeah,
let's
see
like
my
opinion
of
that
section
of
hennepin
with
the
tactile
strip,
is
that
once
there
are
more
people
back
in
downtown,
especially
during
busy
times
when
you
know
the
theaters
are
open
and
people
are
going
to
shows
is
that
the
bike
lane
will
become
obsolete
because
pedestrians,
walking
and
rolling
will
just
take
over
that
entire
space,
and
once
it
gets,
you
know
that
crowded
downtown.
You
can't
really
see
much
of
the
sidewalk
and
the
bike
lane.
K
So
I
don't
know
if
it'd
be
confusing
for
folks
when
it
just
ends
and
that's
it
so
yeah
I
mean
I
really
liked
that
there
was
a
bike
lane
on
and
a
pin
a
long
hennepin,
but
I
wish,
with
the
street
construction
that
they
would
have
instead
put
the
trees
in
between
the
sidewalk
and
the
bike
area.
So
then
that
would
be
a
clear,
clearer
delineation
between
the
two
and
I
think
that
would
be
better
for
walking
and
rolling
folks
too
just
so
they
wouldn't
be
confused.
M
Yeah,
I
also
just
wanted
to
share
too
that
there
are
parts
of
the
bikeway
that
are
incomplete
and
or
will
need
to
be
reinstalled,
which
we
discovered
on
our
field
trip,
so
it
has
to
do
with
those
planter
boxes
on
the
southern
portion.
I
don't
think
that
we
got
any
pictures.
I
neglected
to
snap
any
pictures
of
that,
but
basically
there's
not
a
good
vertical
delineator
between
the
edge
of
the
pavement,
so
the
the
bike
weighs
right
on
these
planter
boxes.
C
D
C
Yeah,
so
this
idea
of
a
planter
is
just
like
you
know:
a
planted
space
with
flowers
and
in
some
cases
there's
a
tree,
not
the
one
that
run
here,
but
I
guess
maybe
on
the
right
side,
there's
the
sidewalk
or
pedestrian
access
route
and
then
there's
these
spaces.
Where
there's
the
planters
that
have
some
inlets
in
them,
so
water
from
the
sidewalk
can
go
into
the
planter.
So
it's
part
of
our
green
infrastructure
efforts
and
then,
basically,
where
the
bikeway
is,
is
directly
adjacent
to
the
planter.
C
There's
a
a
fairly
significant
drop.
What
I
would
say
like
two
to
three
inches
down
so
vertically
down
right
to
to
the
planter's
space
and
in
in
some
of
the
cases
not
pictured
in
the
photo.
It's
fully
walled
off
so
to
speak
with,
like
a
I,
don't
know,
a
foot,
maybe
like
a
foot
high,
concrete
sort
of
barrier,
but
in
this
case
it's
not
there.
So
this
has
been
brought
to
the
attention
of
the
appropriate
people
and
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
C
For
now-
and
I
guess
you
know
just
for
the
you
know-
this
is
a
technical
group,
the
so
there's
a
there's.
Our
state
aid
rules
that
that
designate
how
much,
how
much
of
a
buffer
space
there
needs
to
be
so
a
clear
zone,
and
so
that's
part
of
the
problem
where
there's
there's
not
supposed
to
be
any
vertical
anything
vertical
within
a
two
foot:
clear
zone
of
the
bikeway.
C
F
This
case
and
matthew
on
the
right
there,
oh
in
that
picture,
you
could
kind
of
see
the
buffer
right.
We
when
we
compared
that
one
to
the
others
it
looked
like
they
had,
maybe
just
continued
cutting
out
of
the
buffer
and
then
that's.
Why
there's
no
wall
installed
there,
because
the
wall
would
have
gone
straight
across.
You
can
see
like
in
that
picture
where
the
wall
ends
and
it
would
have
just
gone
across
there
and
then
there
would
still
be
the
buffer
right
like
down
in
the
lower
right
corner
of
that
picture.
K
M
B
Thanks
well,
while
you
do
that
I'll,
just
make
a
note
that
we
were
hoping,
I
think,
to
spend
about
a
half
hour
on
the
5e
subcommittee
report.
So
we've
got
maybe
another
seven
five
to
seven
minutes
left
on
that
before
we
need
to
flip
over
to
engineering
to
stay
on
for
our
guests
later
in
the
meeting.
So.
M
So
if
you,
if
y'all,
can
see
this
so
we're
looking
at
so
we're
standing
on
the
south
west
corner
of
this
intersection-
and
you
can
actually
see
if
you
can
see
my
cursor
tire
tread
marks
of
right.
Turning
vehicular
motion
across
this
this
box,
and
so
here's
the
edge
of
the
curb
this
bike
box
that
I'm
tracing
with
my
cursor
should
have
been
moved
further
west
to
align,
with
the
edge
of
the
curb.
M
Instead
of
being
so,
you
can
see
where
these
bike
tires
are
where
people
had
pulled
off
on
the
sidewalk
are
essentially
in
the
roadway
and
the
bike
box
is,
is
not
actually
protected
in
any
way
so
for
people
who
are
biking
and
trying
to
use
this
to
turn
left
onto
12th
they're
really
exposed
to
vehicular
traffic
turning
movement.
So
this
is
something
that
will
need
to
go
back
and
be
redone,
correct,
matthew
and
jesse.
C
K
K
Okay,
so
it
sounds
like
we
have
three
things
for
resolutions
in
the
sense
of
how
the
project
is
and
janice
said,
add
bike
signage
on
the
bike,
lane
mid
block,
and
then
there
is
the
flower
bed
to
make
sure
that
folks
don't
drop
into
it
and
then,
thirdly,
the
movement
of
the
bike
box
to
the
correct
spot.
And,
yes,
those
are
all
I
know
of
technical
terms
which
are
zero.
K
C
I'll
just
read
it
and
then
if
somebody
else
wants
to
make
the
motion,
as
stated
how
about
we
can
do
that.
So
the
bicycle
advisory
committee
recommends
adding
mid-block
bike
stencils
with
directional
arrows
to
help
clarify
and
reinforce
the
bikeway
versus
the
sidewalk
space.
I
would
say.
Maybe
the
bac
also
recommends
correcting
the
planter
box
in
the
clear
zone
of
the
bikeway
between
11th
street
south
and
12th
street
south
and
the
bike
box
at
the
intersection
of
12th
street
south
and
hennepin.
So
it
feels
straightforward
to
me.
D
C
M
I
have
a
suggestion,
please
it's
more
of
a
programmatic,
but
maybe
some
education,
if
possible,
with
the
businesses,
particularly
some
of
the
theaters,
where
they're
queuing
lines
for
box
office
or
tickets,
making
sure
that
they
can
kind
of
direct
their
patrons
to
not
line
up
perpendicular
and
in
the
bikeway
and
seeing
if
they
can
like
preemptively
program
where
they
should
stand
and
educating
the
business
owners
and
staff
about
the
best
way
to
circulate
traffic.
I
know
it's
not
an
infrastructure,
but
it's
more
of
a
programmatic
piece.
C
G
E
K
And
then
I
would
also,
on
that
same,
like
vein
of
making
sure
that
the
city
metro
transit
did,
and
I
guess
the
business
owners
all
work
together
to
make
sure
that
in
winter
they
clear
the
snow
appropriately
and
not
just
push
it
into
each
other's
different
lanes
that
they're
responsible.
I
thought
that
was
really
interesting
to
learn
that
there
was
that
many
folks
involved
in
maintaining
the
sidewalks,
and
that
might
be
some
confusion.
B
B
I
Oh
okay,
all
right,
so
the
bicycle
advisory
committee
recommends
adding
mid-block
bike
stencils
with
directional
arrows
to
help
clarify
and
reinforce
the
bikeway
versus
the
sidewalk
space.
The
bac
also
recommends
correcting
the
planter
box
in
the
clear
zone
of
the
bikeway
between
11th
street
south
and
12th
street
12th
street
south
in
the
bike
box
at
the
intersection
of
12th
street
south
and
hampton
avenue
south
bac
also
recommends
the
city
work
with
businesses
along
the
corridor
to
provide
education
and
guidance
regarding
possible
conflicts
between
patrons
and
bike
lane
users.
A
I
guess
I'll
jump
in
just
real
quick
just
to
to
point
out,
and
maybe
you
all
don't
want
to
say
anything
about
it,
but
there's
nothing
about
the
actual
tactile
strip
itself.
I
don't
know
if
there
is
a
strong
feeling,
one
way
or
the
other
and
the
stencils
are
sort
of
related
to
that.
But
if
you
want
to
provide
any
guidance
to
katie
on
this,
for
that
specific
thing,
that
might
be
the
time.
C
E
F
C
D
B
B
B
C
C
A
Are
you
asking
for
like
a
separate
evaluation
or
just
to
hear
the
findings
of
this
evaluation
process,
because
the
2022
thing
I
don't
know
if
this
current
evaluation
that
katie
is
working
on
will
extend
to
then?
So,
if
you,
if
that's
what
you're
asking
for
like
that
to
me,
is
a
little
bit
of
a
different
thing,
whereas
just
asking
for
the
findings
of
the
evaluation
report
might
not
have
any
anything
to
do
with
2022.
If
that
makes
sense
a
little
bit
of
minutia,
I
think
katie
will
get
the
point.
So
I
don't
know.
M
L
H
B
E
E
I
D
E
C
E
C
B
I
will
commit
to
once
we
pass
a
resolution
and
matthew
you
send
that
out
to
appropriate
staff,
I
will
commit
to
following
up
with
them
and
just
letting
them
know
if
they
have
additional
questions
about
what
we're
looking
for.
They
are
welcome
to
come
to
the
committee
and
ask
us
those
questions
or
to
talk
to
them
one-on-one.
So.
I
Right
sure,
so
so
the
motion,
as
it
originally
read
that
ended
bac,
recommends
that
the
city
did
and
metro
transit
worked
together
to
help
make
sure
winter
maintenance
is
handled.
Well,
we
added
given
some
of
the
concerns
that
bac
has
for
conflicts
between
people
walking
and
biking
and
uncertainty,
the
ability,
the
tactile
strip
to
address
those
issues.
The
bac
requests
and
evaluation
and
evaluation
update
in
2022.
I
C
G
D
H
C
N
E
H
L
C
H
C
H
I
C
K
Thank
you.
Everyone
yeah,
there's
not
really
much
else
with
the
five
e's.
We
are
going
to
divvy
up
some
of
the
tap
to
go
over
in
the
next
meeting
and
then
also
we're
going
to
you
know.
I
think
we
need
subcommittee
members
and
chris
and
matthew
are
making
a
list
of
folks
for
that
and
their
alyssa
went
through
the
complete
streets
policy
update.
So
I
it
it'd
be
advisable.
It's
an
ongoing
process
to
read
the
redline
proposed
complete
streets
document,
so
we
can
move
forward
with
that.
K
I
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
raise,
and
maybe
it's
really
a
question
for
a
list.
I
wanted
to
raise
the
issue
about
sort
of
how
far
along
we
are
in
this
complete
streets
update.
So
I
talked
about
the
sort
of
concept
of
living
streets
which
would
add
in
well
specifically
the
sort
of
performance
metrics
beyond
stormwater,
which
is
being
added
to
the
transportation
considerations
in
the
complete
street
policy.
I
So
a
living
streets,
sort
of
sort
of
a
living
streets,
sort
of
policy
context
would,
for
example,
if
you
were
looking
at
at
george
floyd
square,
that
district,
you
would
look
at
things
like
sort
of
artistic
elements.
You'd
look
at
specifically
economic
performance
that
that
would
be
hardwired
into
a
living
streets
evaluation.
I
B
That's
a
great
question
phil.
I
think
the
short
answer
is
probably,
but
I'm
not
sure,
there's
one
more
committee
meeting
that
is
scheduled
for
next
week.
That
was
not
an
originally
scheduled
meeting.
We
were
supposed
to
be
done
and
based
on
feedback
that
was
provided
at
the
last
meeting.
They
decided
to
schedule
an
additional
one,
so
we
can
certainly
start
some
conversation
in
that
space
and
see
what
comes
of
it.
But
I
you
know,
the
the
city
folks
have
been
working
on
updating
the
policy.
B
B
E
G
G
This
was
presented
at
15
in
march
2021
and
the
bac
had
some
questions
regarding
it
and
we
wound
up
asking
if
they
could
return
at
30
just
to
see
how
our
comments
were
reacted
to
so
they
did
and
a
couple
things
that
did
happen.
The
drawings
are
different
than
what
was
presented
in
march
they're,
a
little
more
refined.
G
G
I
should
back
up
there's
two
medians
that
are
being
installed
at
25th
and
27th
on
lindale.
That
will
make
it
safer
to
cross
there
and
they
are
temporary
solutions.
They
are
described
as
temporary
solutions
for
a
possible
full
reconstruction
ten
or
more
years
down,
so
there's
limitations
about
what
they
could
do,
but
the
big
news
was
that
that
a
pilot
project
review
was
going
forward
on
moondale
avenue
and
the
potential
of
a
4-3
conversion
in
2022
is
being
considered
when
they
rescript
it.
So
the
resolution
is
short.
G
C
A
C
G
G
G
It
proposes
a
curb
separation
of
the
drive
lanes
and
on
on-street
bike
facility
on
university
and
fourth
street
will
remain
a
buffered
bike
lane
with
boards
for
both
options,
a
and
b
option
b
differed
in
that,
instead
of
a
two-way
on
university,
it
was
a
one-way
and
it
would
have
boards
and
a
end,
and
it's
still
a
curb
on
both
plans.
A
curb
separated,
two-way
bike
facility
and
oak
will
connect
the
university
to
fourth
street.
G
This
was
pretty
cool
minneapolis
plans
to
further
extend
south
to
washington
and
the
existing
two-way
bikeway
on
oak
to
east
river
road
yeah.
So
there's
bike
signal.
Phasing
that's
proposed
for
signal
intersections
new
traffic
islands,
two
on
university
and
one
on
fourth
street
and
the
drive
lanes
will
be
reduced
from
three
to
two
on
university,
from
church
street
to
oak
and
on
fourth
from
oak
to
17th
on
street
event,
parking
will
be
added
in
the
former
drive
lane
across
from
williams.
G
D
C
E
M
G
We're
good
with
that
we're
going
to
move
on
to
the
third
one
and
just
vote
on
all
three
of
these
at
one
time.
The
third
project
was
53rd
avenue
north
a
bikeway.
It
was
a
proposal
by
jasmine,
hedzik
stanic
from
public
works,
and
she
had
a
fact
sheet
with
it.
So
this
is
at
zero
percent.
They
are
doing
a
resurfacing
project
up
there
right
now,
they're
running
gas
lines,
changing
some
of
the
the
curbs
the
the
corners.
G
However,
there
are
not
going
to
be
any
bump
outs,
it's
being
coordinated
with
brooklyn
center.
It's
the
brooklyn
centers
on
the
north
side
and
53rd
minneapolis
is
on
the
south
side,
so
basically
they're,
considering
installing
a
connector
bikeway
in
2022
along
this
1.2
mile
section
53rd
is
on
the
aaa
network.
G
It's
also.
Interestingly,
there
are
two
two
bikeways
up
there,
which
are
a
mile
apart
right
now,
and
this
is
dead
center,
so
you
would
have
a
a
bikeway
in
brooklyn
center
at
50
cents
north,
which
is
the
gosh,
the
twin
lakes,
regional
trail
that
goes
over
to
shingle
creek
crossings,
this
bikeway
and
then
a
print
off-street
bikeway,
that's
on
49th.
G
It
doesn't
ring
true
that
the
streets
are
larger
than
that,
but
I
checked
and
they're.
Actually
it's
a
mile
between
them
right
now
so
this
year
the
work
will
include
88
ramps
to
existing
sidewalks
carbon
gutter
improvements,
sanitary
sewer
repairs,
no
bump-outs,
significant
sections
of
53rd
assigned
no
parking
and
there's
low
use
of
on-street
parking
now
we're
permitted.
G
Lindale
avenue
is
a
94
exit
entrance
and
its
overpass
bridge
needs
safety
improvements
to
encourage
access
to
the
north,
mississippi
regional
trail
and
park.
Likewise,
improvements
should
be
considered
on
penn
avenue,
which
connects
to
the
nearby
shingle
creek
regional
trail,
a
block
away.
We
finding
that
includes
connecting
destinations
distances.
An
important
crosstreats
should
be
added.
M
J
G
C
N
K
G
H
O
J
E
A
F
C
E
C
E
A
B
B
I'm
very
excited
about
this
update
because
of
the
bike
share
and
scooter
share,
updates
that
we've
gotten
in
the
past
have
been
really
important
to
us
as
a
committee
and
sort
of
weighing
in
especially
on
bike
equity
issues
and
location
of
different
things
across
the
city.
So
I'm
really
excited
to
continue
that
conversation
today
with
danielle.
P
Hi
everyone
thanks
for
having
me.
Hopefully
I
can
share
a
little
bit
more
about
my
role
within
the
city
and
what
our
programming
is
and
then
the
main
thing
that
I
really
want
to
get
out
of
this
is
any
feedback
on
how
you
want
to
give
me
feedback
on
some
of
these
programs
and
there's
a
lot
happening
in
the
next
year.
In
particular,
too,
that
I
would
love
to
hear
from
everyone
on
I'm
gonna
kind
of
use,
my
makabad
presentation
as
a
guide.
P
As
I
talk
through
some
of
the
programming,
but
I
guess
first
of
all,
danielle
elkins.
I
sit
within
traffic
and
parking
services
within
public
works.
I
joined
the
city
in
october
of
2018
as
a
fuse
executive.
Fellow
through
a
national
fellowship
program,
I
was
brought
by
then
director
hutchison
to
help
the
city
figure
out
kind
of
the
future
of
mobility
within
the
city,
which
usually
define,
as
all
things,
either
shared
autonomous
electric
or
connected
it's
a
little
bit
evolving,
as,
of
course,
the
market
evolves,
and
this
was
when
I
first
came.
P
It
was
right
after
scooters,
first
launched
within
the
city
a
couple
months
later.
So
a
lot
of
things
have
changed
pretty
dramatically
within
the
marketplace
other
than
the
city
since
then,
and
we
created
this
new
mobility
team,
which
I'm
now
leading
and
I've
been
with
the
city
as
a
full-time
employee
since
december.
So
right
now
we
have
a
bunch
of
major
programs
working
on
working,
a
lot
of
future
policies
working
with
the
state
legislature
to
also
develop
these
policies
that
all
of
these
things
have
not
existed
in
the
past.
P
So
a
lot
of
change
that
comes
with
this
work
and
but
hopefully,
really
complementary
with
the
the
goals
lined
with
in
the
tap,
and
that
are
the
things
that
are
important
to
this
committee,
especially
so
the
probably
biggest
program
you
mentioned,
that
I
think
all
you
hopefully
are
familiar
with.
Is
the
mobility
hub
program
that
we're
in
our
third
season
for
that
pilot?
P
We
have
not
launched
this
year's
pilot,
yet,
unfortunately,
our
funding
for
this
year
is
coming
from
a
grant
from
mndot's
office
of
sustainability,
and
the
grants
have
been
delayed,
mostly
paperwork
issues,
but
we're
hoping
to
have
those
at
least
deployed
by
the
end
of
july,
if
not
sooner
very
similar
locations
to
our
last
year
pilot.
So
focusing
on
areas
of
concentrated
poverty,
figuring
out
the
most
complicated
situations
within
the
city
of
how
we
can
deploy
these.
P
P
It
will
be
we'll
get
it
through
the
season
we're
working
on
that
now,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
getting
feedback
from
the
public
and
especially
from
this
group,
on
what
do
we
want
to
see
in
terms
of
shared
mobility
systems,
bikes
scooters
whatever
may
come
in
the
future?
What
does
the?
What
do
the
residents
of
the
city
want
to
see?
How
do
we
write
the
rfp
to
make
sure
that
we're
getting
the
best
here
that
meet
our
goals
that
are
expanding
the
program
and
kind
of
whatever
way
we
can?
P
P
We've
also
done
analysis
with
our
mobility
hub
pilot
to
figure
out
what
impact
mobility
hubs,
the
installation
of
them,
the
placement
of
the
vehicles,
as
well
as
the
ambassador
program
and
kind
of
programming
at
those
sites,
the
impact
it
has
on
ridership
and
also
worked
with
metro
transit
to
look
at
transit
ridership
and
from
the
first
two
pilot
seasons.
We
found
that
installing
mobility
hubs
and
then
especially
the
programming
app
mobility
hubs,
increases
ridership
on
all
modes.
P
P
P
This
year
we
lost
significantly
last
year
because
of
the
pandemic,
and
I
think
this
year
is
probably
a
little
bit
due
to
people
being
vaccinated
and
leaving
town
during
peak
times,
less
people
coming
to
visit
the
city
and
weather
we
had
such
hot
weeks
and
then
some
you
know
cold
before
that.
So
we're
hoping
that
we'll
start
to
see
the
ridership
increase
as
the
summer
weather,
maybe
stabilizes
as
we
go
on
yeah.
P
We
will
be
having
a
procurement,
and
what
I
most
like,
I
guess
to
hear
from
this
group-
is
any
feedback
you
have
for
the
rfp
for
the
program
and
how
you
want
to
continue
to
provide
feedback
to
me
and
my
team
on
the
success
of
these
programs.
What
you
would
like
to
see
change?
What's
not
working
all
that.
J
P
P
In
some
cases,
there
are
neighborhood
size
kind
of
nodes
where
it's
near
a
neighborhood
bus
stop
for
the
most
part,
any
mobility
hub,
you're,
going
to
go
to
you're,
always
going
to
be
able
to
find
transit,
bikes
and
scooters,
and
some
kind
of
like
information
amenity
of
that
sort
that
we're
figuring
out
what
the
ultimate
goal
is.
Is
that
there's
some
kind
of
visual
marker
that
shows
you?
You
are
at
a
mobility
hub,
which
means
you
can
find
these
modes
here,
and
then
we
will
direct
people
to
those
modes.
P
We're
also
working
to
integrate
the
eb
car
share
program
that
we're
working
on
with
excel
and
st
paul,
that
that
would
also
be
a
mode
provided
at
these
locations
and
what
we've
been
testing
out.
We've
been
working
with
the
musicant
group,
the
last
couple
years
to
be
putting
out
if
you've
seen
the
blue
boxes,
that
some
people
look
like,
they
think
they
look
like
blue
swiss
cheese
blocks.
P
P
We've
had
people
move
them
near
libraries
to
get
access
to
charging
outlets,
all
really
insightful
in
terms
of
how
people
want
to
interact
in
these
spaces.
We've
also
experimented
with
different
other
amenities
attached
to
them.
We've
had
like
the
first
year
we
had
a
little
mailbox
and
so
communities
could
put
in
information
and
people
started
using
it
to
share
different
things
that
were
going
on
in
the
community.
It's
a
place,
you
can
get
information.
P
We've
also
done
some
like
plants
and
kind
of
beautifying
within
these
areas,
and
as
well
as
adding
like
additional
bike
parking
in
these
areas,
we
make
sure
that
the
companies
are
deploying
extra
bikes
and
scooters
in
these
locations.
We
do
citing
plans
with
all
the
companies
to
coordinate
everything.
P
P
What
we're
going
to
be
testing
in
the
before
the
capital
program
and
looking
at
this
year
is
additional,
like
lighting
more
permanent
signage?
What
are
other
projection
or
lighting
systems?
We
can
do
to
make
it
more
obvious
that
you're
in
a
mobility
hub
and
provide
mode
finding
it's
kind
of
better
than
wayfinding.
It's
making
sure
you
can
find
and
go
between
the
different
modes
within
this,
this
smaller
area
and
then
the
ambassador
program
we
started
using
last
year.
F
I
guess
just
an
issue
that
I've
come
across
lately
is
that
they
have
been
overwhelming
some
of
the
primary
bike
parking
at
a
lot
of
places
that,
like
grocery
stores
and
restaurants
or
breweries,
just
like
where
everybody
has
frequent,
locking
and
unlocking
of
bikes
they're
taken
over
by
scooters-
and
I
don't
think
it's
always
by
users
like
asked
at
the
grocery
store
at
sewer
co-op
and
they
weren't
aware
of
people
using
those
scooters.
Necessarily,
I
think
they
were
just
you
know,
moved
there
as
part
of
the
distribution.
P
Yeah
we've
we've
heard
that
from
a
few
business
districts,
which
is
why
we
really
want
to
invest
more
in
bike
parking,
because
the
issue
is
we
need
more
everywhere.
The
I
have
seen
like
on
central.
There
were
some
complaints
that
near
the
co-op
in
northeast
that
there
wasn't
enough
that
the
scooters
were
taking
up
too
much
and
they
was
the
perception
that
customers
were
not
using.
M
Up
next,
my
comment
is
exactly
related
to
that
and
I
even
sent
photos
to
brie
as
part
of
my
bac
field
trip
photographs
specifically
for
central
and
lowry,
specifically
for
my
office
bike
parking,
which
is
technically
not
public
bike
racks
and
not
being
able
to
lock
my
bike
to
these
back
racks.
I
don't
know
if
I'm
allowed
to
share
my
screen
since
I
didn't
submit
these
photos
beforehand,
but
based
on
my
experience,
I
was
out
at
central
and
maori,
and
the
service
providers
were
literally
locking
scooters
to
every
available
bike
rack.
M
So
I
did
not
see
a
single
user.
It
was
a
service
provider
and
especially
in
front
of
a
bike
shop
and
a
brewery
and
a
grocery
store.
It
was
incredibly
frustrating
to
also
literally
be
out
for
work
to
ask
businesses
about
what
they
want
to
see
and
what
they
need
and
having
this
public
resource
be
totally
eaten
up
by
scooters.
M
I
was
also
frustrated
because
my
place
of
work
only
provides
two
bike
racks
for
like
40
people
and
we
regularly
fill
them
up,
and
so,
if
I
don't
have
a
place
to
to
park
my
bike,
like
I
literally
don't
even-
have
street
poles
near
my
office
to
park.
So
it
was
a
little
bit
problematic,
but
I
would
highly
recommend
I
love
the
dual
scooter.
M
Nice
ride
docking
stations.
They
are
amazing.
I
didn't
realize
that
they
had
scooter
parking
capability
until
later
that
day,
I
biked
past
one,
and
I
also
snapped
a
photo
that
I
could
show
on
my
screen
right
now
about
how
amazing
that
technology
was.
But
I
would
really
like
to
see
more
of
the
dual
bike:
rack
scooter,
daryl
racks
be
provided,
and
I
mean
it
will
also
support
local
industry.
P
Yeah,
that
is
part
of
the
area.
That's
a
challenge,
so
part
of
the
challenge
with
like
the
area
you're
talking
about
in
particular,
is
that
that
base
on
the
mapping
is
an
area
of
concentrated
poverty,
so
they
were
required
to
put
a
certain
number
of
scooters
there.
So
they're
frantically
trying
to
comply
with
the
equity
requirement.
P
It's
based
on
feedback
that
I've
gotten
it's
still
too
much,
and
so
I've
let
them
slip
purposely
on
their
compliance
in
that
area,
because
I
want
to
remove
this
pressure
from
the
infrastructure
and
make
sure
there
is
enough
bike
parking
so
based
on
our
our
last
compliance
meetings,
they're
supposed
to
be
backing
off
a
little
bit.
So
hopefully
the
problem
does
get
better,
but
let
me
know
if
it
doesn't
and
it
continues
to
be
an
issue.
H
Thank
you,
hi
danielle,
thank
you
for
being
here.
As
I
always
say,
about
bike
share.
We
in
minneapolis
public
schools
would
love
to
see
our
students
be
able
to
use
it
and
use
it
in
low
cost
ways,
and
we've
seen
other
cities
figure
out
16
and
17
year
olds,
at
least,
and
so
I
guess
my
question,
for
you
is
just
an
update
on
what
we
might
see
in
the
rfp
and
might
there
be
some
requirements
for
for
youth
use
and
maybe
access
for
low-income
youth.
P
P
state
statutes
depart
depending
on
the
type
of
vehicle
scooter
versus
electric
bike
versus
bike.
There
are
different
age
requirements,
they're
all
different,
unfortunately,
and
then
with
helmet
versus
not
helmet,
is
another
requirement.
I
as
much
feedback
on
the
age
requirement
that
you
guys
have
the
better
that
I
am
going
to
put
this
in
there.
I
think
the
main
concern
was
some
insurance
requirements
from
the
providers,
and
so
I've
also
asked
them
to
look
into
that
already.
P
We
have
the
fair
school
in
downtown
as
a
plans,
mobility,
hub
and
testing
site
with
did
looking
at
the
alloy
project
as
a
potential
test
location
of
how
we
can
do
engagement
with
one
school
in
particular,
and
also,
hopefully,
we
can
do
some
engagement
events
once
they're
back
in
school
to
get
them
signed
up
through
the
free
and
reduced
lunch
programs
and
making
that
eligible
for
a
nice
ride
for
all
as
well
and
with
I'm
fully
intending
to
write
that
kind
of
programming
into
the
the
rfp.
Also.
P
If,
if
they're
like
say,
because
we
have
the
16
piece
in
the
tap,
we
have
documentation
showing
that
that's
what
we're
trying
to
work
for,
and
that's
what
I'm
going
to
be
putting
in,
if
you
guys
want
to
support
that
further
by
all
means,
if
you
think
it
should
be
younger,
that
would
be
another
situation.
But
right
now
my
intention
is
16..
P
B
K
P
K
Okay,
yeah,
so
are
there
any
discussion
on
changing
the
bike?
Parking
ordinance
for
the
city,
especially
for
businesses
like
cadence
or
men,
was
mentioning
that,
like
you
know,
to
maximize
that-
and
I
know
you
have
like
a
50
50
program,
but
I
mean
the
city
provides
so
much
free
street
parking
for
vehicles
and
cars.
So
you
know:
is
there
discussion
and
movement
towards
free
bike
parking
for
folks,
so
it
would
incentivize
more.
P
So
one
change
that
has
recently
come
because
of
the
parking
and
tdm
ordinance
update.
We
made
sure
that
investing
in
mobility
hubs
and
bike
parking
was
a
really
big
part
of
the
point
system
for
tdm.
So
these
any
new
developments
could
get
like
significant
points
by
creating
space.
To
add
these
mobility
hub
amenities,
particularly
on
their
the
high
capacity
adjacent
to
high
capacity
transit.
K
K
P
This
was
a
a
piloted
concept
that
we
implemented
in
2020,
and
originally
the
numbers
were
based
on.
First
of
all,
the
the
acp
50
maps
that
are
at
this
point
from
2017
2018,
so
they're,
outdated.
So
part
of
the
challenge
is,
with
the
met
council,
starting
to
change
their
acp
mapping
program
and
with
just
the
rapid
change
in
actual
data
and
demographics
within
the
acps
and
the
changing
shapes
of
the
acps
within
the
city.
The
challenge
is
we're
measuring
on
a
changing
metric.
P
If
that
makes
sense-
and
we
made
a
guess
within
the
2020
program
of
we
wanted,
the
goal
was
to
get
30
of
scooters
and
scooter
trips
to
be
in
acp
areas,
we're
seeing
year
over
year
around
20
of
trips,
starting
or
ending
in
acps.
So
we
are
trending
in
in
that
direction
and
trying
to
get
to
that
with
that
target,
we
then
assign
percentages
to
the
three
different
acp
areas,
so
you
have
the
northeast
one.
You
have
the
north
minneapolis
one
and
the
south
one
based
on
the
like
2017-2018
mapping.
P
The
north
acp
has
not
really
changed
in
the
last
couple
of
years.
South
has
changed
pretty
significantly,
the
shape
is
changing
and
the
northeast
one
doesn't
exist
anymore.
So
that's
why
I,
within
this
year,
reduced
it
in
trying
to
alleviate
the
infrastructure
challenge,
but
also
the
fact
that
the
demographics
in
that
northeast
area
have
changed
significantly
and
the
response
to
from
the
community.
I
also
got
feedback
from
makapod
that
it
was
creating
some
challenges
for
our
senior
living
centers
in
that
area
as
well.
P
So
what
I'm
now
we're
now
figuring
out
is
you
know,
we're
creating
equity
frameworks
within
the
city,
we're
re-evaluating
what
met
council
is
going
to
do
with
the
acp
mapping
and
I'm
going
to
build
that
into
the
program.
What
we've
learned
of
do
these
percentages
make
sense?
Is
it
helping
us
get
to
our
trip
goals?
P
I
can't
say:
are
we
where
we're
getting
in
terms
of
the
percent
of
trips
in
the
2021
season,
yet
that
are
in
acps,
because
we,
the
data,
takes
two
weeks
to
process,
so
the
data
is
still
doing
its
processing
and
we
haven't
started
analytics
on
that.
I
only
have
real-time
information
to
know
where
the
providers
have
been
placing
them.
They
are
being
compliant.
P
Like
I
said,
with
the
exception
of
northeast,
because
we
personally
have
backed
off
on
that
because
of
the
issues
that
we're
seeing,
they
have
been
compliant
in
north
and
south,
and
so
it
does
seem
to
be
working
in
those
areas.
And
I
think
that
those
will
roughly
stay
the
same.
Based
on
what
we're
learning.
P
So
right
now
we're
working
on
the
rfp,
while
they're
working
under
a
current
license
agreement.
That
says
you
have
to
do
this.
Many
engagement
events
this
summer.
You
have
to
comply
with
these
acp
equity
areas
and
we
will
basically
once
we
get
through
this
procurement
process.
Do
a
new
license
agreement
again,
which
will
kind
of
mandate
the
same
thing.
So
it's
kind
of
you.
P
You
have
these
requirements
in
two
different
places,
so
they're
in
the
feedback
you
know
and
what
the
results
we're
getting
from
the
data
will
inform
both
of
those
for
the
future.
But
I
don't
know
what
that
makes
if
that
answers
it
fully,
but
we
they
are
required
to
do
at
least
two.
I
think
two
engagement
events
per
month
per
company,
so
they've
done
a
couple
already
this
year,
they're
going
to
do
a
lot
more
they've
sent
me
schedules.
P
They
also
once
we
do
the
mobility
hubs
and
have
those
out
they'll
start
coordinating
with
the
ambassadors
to
do
a
lot
more,
the
programming
as
well,
and
then
you
asked
about
accessibility
as
well.
So
I
recently
have
been
split
speaking
with
the
twin
cities:
adaptive
cycling
group,
about
feedback
for
how
to
help
scale
more
adaptive,
programs
in
the
city
and
any
requirements
we
can
put
on
the
providers
or
partnerships
that
they
could
do
with
them
as
well.
B
P
P
From
there
you
know
they
will
have
the
extension
through
the
season.
So
we'll
don't
worry
about
operations
in
terms
of
bikes
and
scooters
for
the
rest
of
2021.
That
is
fine,
but
in
terms
of
a
procurement
for
bikes
and
scooters
that
will
be
in
the
fall.
So
you
basically,
I
would
say
up
until
mid
august,
you
can
be
providing
feedback
to
me.
P
Yeah,
we're
gonna
do
things
together
and
it
will
be
we're
still
working
through
our
options,
but
the
assumption
is,
I
will
not
be
back
again
next
summer.
We
will
do
something.
The
interesting
thing
about
this
is
trying
to
balance
the
fact
that
the
market
is
still
evolving.
Things
are
still
changing
really
rapidly,
but
wanting
to
have
now
that
we
really
have
understand
the
industry,
we
understand
how
to
manage
them.
We
understand
how
to
do
license
agreements
and
data,
and
all
these
things
we
can
do
slightly
longer
agreements.
B
Thanks,
that's
helpful
I'll,
throw
in
a
couple
comments
and
then
cadence
and
phil,
and
then
we
probably
need
to
move
on
really
interested
in
coordination
with
st
paul
right.
That
bike
share
experience
across
the
river
is
super
important.
It's
also
important
with
scooters,
but
I
think
because
of
the
nature
of
scooters
and
bike
share,
it's
a
little
bit
different,
really
support.
M
Yeah,
so
I
I
personally
would
love
to
read
any
draft
rfps.
I
know
that
you
know
there
may
be
challenges
on
on
whether
you
can
share
that
with
us
or
not,
especially
back
to
jane's
question
about
you
know
16
and
17
year
olds.
You
had
mentioned
that
y'all
may
be
looking
at
that
like,
but
if
they
are
required
or
not
to
have
a
helmet
like
those
are
small
details
where
I
would
definitely
have
an
opinion
like,
I
would
not
require
helmets,
because
I
think
that
that's
going
to
have
the
opposite
of
the
intended
effect.
M
Based
on
you
know,
I
know
the
changing
acp
maps
and
whatnot,
but
25
scooters
is
a
lot,
and
so
I
think
that
if
design
teams
had
that
information
or
expectation,
they
could
better
respond
to
that
during
the
design
process
to
reduce
some
of
the
challenges
with
limited
right-of-way
in
space.
I
think
a
lot
of
people
who
ride
bikes
are
feeling
like
what
little
bit
of
amenities
we
have
are,
are
quickly
being
swamped
and
outpaced
for
scooters.
I
I
You
know
they
just
lowered
the
barrier
to
say
I
can
do
this,
though
you
pretty
much
you
know,
but
if
you
you
know,
you
pretty
much
need
a
computer
at
home
to
see
if
a
bike
is
there,
but
you
know
the
particular
station
I
and
I
was
doing
this
every
day
for
two
years,
so
I
I
kind
of
knew
you
know
at
6
53.
There
would
be
a
bike
there,
so
the
key
fob
was
nice
and
then
related.
So
for
people
using
a
electric
nice
rides.
I
I
was
pretty
sure
that
was
a
flip
phone,
primitive
flip
phone
and
I
have
no
idea
what
percentage
people
use
and
whether
they're,
stable
or
going
down
whether
older
people
are
keeping
hold
of
their
flip
phones.
But
in
any
case
he
was.
As
I
recall,
it
was
a
little
difficult
to
use
a
flip
phone
to
rent
an
e-bike
at
one
of
the
kiosks,
so
just
sort
of
one
of
the
those
things
now.
Of
course,
most
people
are
riding
with
someone.
Who's
got
a
smartphone,
but
I
think
just
giving
some
thought.
P
The
bigger
challenge
we
found
was
the
banking
access
issue,
so
not
people
not
having
a
credit
card
fuel
to
use
a
lot
of
these
services,
which
is
why
we
are
also,
I
guess,
there's
two
pieces
to
the
kind
of
broader
mobility
as
a
service
conversation
we're
having
too,
which
is
when
you
sign
up
for
nice
ride
for
all.
You
can
also
with
fair
financial
sign
up
for
a
bank
account
and
get
a
credit
card,
so
they
solve
both
issues
for
you
and
then
you
have
the
reduced
fare.
P
You
only
pay
the
five
dollars
for
the
season.
We
would
like
to
make
that
a
universal
program
for
all
shared
mobility.
We've
been
doing
a
lot
of
conversations
on
the
broader
regional
conversation
with
metro
transit
on
mobility
as
a
service.
Now
that
they've
redone
their
mobile
app
as
well
on
where
how
do
we
get
to
the
point
where,
if
you
are
a
recipient
of
any
human
services
within
the
city
of
minneapolis,
you
are
already
eligible
for
one
dollar
metro
transit
rides,
reduced
fare
rides
on
both
bikes
and
scooters
and
it
should
be
automatic.
P
You
should
just
get
it.
You
shouldn't
have
to
go
through
sign
up
processes
for
each
individual
mode,
so
we've
been
trying
to
get
federal
funding.
Unfortunately,
our
grant
application
wasn't
selected
in
2019,
but
we're
continuing
to
push
for
funding
in
the
met
council,
and
I
we're
also
have
developed
a
national
working
group
to
try
and
solve
this
issue
on
the
back
end
data
side
as
well,
and
we
have
we
have
support
from
hennepin
county
and
their
data
team,
we're
just
trying
to
find
the
funding
to
do
the
project
and
fix
all
these
issues.
P
But
it's
a
really
big
priority
for
us
that
we
do
think
is
really
important,
and
I
guess
I
was
going
to
mention
it's
also
at
the
point
where
all
of
our
providers
are
required
to
have
open
apis.
So
all
of
the
trip
planning
apps
now
should
have
open
data
access
to
any
of
our
providers
within
minneapolis.
So
if
you
go
into,
for
example,
the
transit
app,
you
can
see
all
of
the
mode
and
their
availability
too,
and
trying
to
make
that
so
it
is
a
competitive
market,
cool.
G
Yeah,
this
is
just
it's
a
little
bit
regarding
sizing
of
bikes
and-
and
I
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
experience
in
this,
but
it's
just
something
to
to
put
in
your
ear
in.
I
was
trying
to
help
a
friend
at
the
station
to
get
on
a
bike
and
size
them
up,
and
I
tried
several
of
the
bikes
and
I
couldn't
get
that
seat
to
budge.
G
I
mean
the
cam
lock
was
just
locked
down
like
you
know,
and
that
could
have
to
do
with
just
whether
or
someone
is
not
checking
or
it's
perhaps
somebody
that's
locking
that
thing
down.
That
is
much
stronger,
but
I
you
know
it's
just
something
worth
noting
that
you
know
having
a
little
bit
of
flexibility
in
your
seat.
Height
makes
a
lot
easier
to
ride
some
of
those
things
so.
P
Yeah
we've
talked
about
that
that
it's
they're
just
really
difficult
to
move.
I
personally
struggle
with
being
able
to
to
move
it.
I've
also,
I
guess,
alternatively,
had
the
issue
of
my
seat
dropping
in
the
middle
of
a
ride.
Unfortunately,
so
that's
something
we've
been
talking
about.
The
the
bike
size
issue
is
also
something
we've
talked
about.
I
know
the
latest
model
for
lyft's
electric
bike
is
taking
into
account
and
goes
significantly
lower,
so
they're
the
industry-wide.
They
are
getting
better
at
manufacturing,
more
adaptive,
bikes
that
handle
more
heights.
B
All
right,
thank
you
so
much
for
joining
us
danielle.
Obviously,
we
have
a
lot
of
thoughts
and
opinions.
I
think
we
will
continue
this
discussion,
probably
at
a
future
subcommittee
meeting,
but
hopefully
we'll
look
forward
to
being
in
conversation
with
you
throughout
the
summer.
So
thank
you
for
coming.
Thanks
for
having
me
bye.
B
C
Sure,
given
the
time
I'll
be
very
quick,
because
I
think
you'd
all
probably
rather
hear
from
jesse
than
me,
and
I
appreciate
that
my
part's
gonna
be
also
a
little
more
boring
just
you
know
what
is
the
mutc
who
uses
it?
Why
it's
important
and
then
jesse's
gonna
share
sort
of
some
opinions
and
observations
that
I
agree
with
as
well,
and
we'll
just
leave
it
at
that
for
now,
and
we
can
talk
about
it
as
we
go.
C
The
main
thing
is
that
the
there's
a
there
was
a
recent
update
to
like
a
new
edition
proposed
for
the
mutcd,
which
also
got
it
almost
all
correct.
The
last
word
d
is
devices
and
that's
important,
so
I'm
just
going
to
read
the
the
fhwa,
so
the
federal
highway
administration
publishes
the
mutcd,
which
contains
all
national
design,
application
and
placement
standards,
guidance
options
and
supports
provisions
for
traffic
control
devices.
C
The
purpose
of
the
mutcd
is
to
provide
uniformity
of
these
devices,
including
signs
signals
and
pavement
markings
to
promote
safety
and
efficiency
on
our
highways
and
streets.
So,
all
of
that,
what
that
means
is
basically
everything
you
see
in
the
street,
from
the
the
yellow
skip
dashes
to
differentiate
two-way
travel
to
all
the
signs,
all
the
signals,
basically,
everything
you
see
is
is
governed
by
this
document
on
our
public
roadways,
and
the
document
itself
is
huge.
It's
like
the
one
I'm
looking
at
on
their
website,
which
is
mutcd.fhwa.
C
And
there
are
it's
an
862-page
document
and
it's
frankly
boring
it's
not
something
that
you
read
for
fun
and
a
lot
of
it
is
is
maybe
considered
mundane,
I'm
not
an
expert
in
matcd.
We
have
engineers
and
and
others
that
that
are
but
a
lot
of
it
is,
is
stuff
that
you're,
probably
not
going
to
get
too
fired
up
about.
So
the
stop
signs
are
required
to
be
an
octagon
white
letters
on
red.
C
C
You
know
what
I
would
say:
mundane
traffic
signals
signs
and
things
like
that
and
and
probably
gets
in
the
way
I
would
say
now
now
I'm
going
to
opinion
all
right,
so
everything
I
just
said
is
sort
of.
Like
fact:
what's
in
there
there,
I
think
there
are
problems
with
mutcd
and
and
oftentimes.
I
think
the
the
pac
and
the
bac
you
know
you
may
hear
like.
Oh,
we
can't
do
that.
You
know,
like
the
that
signal.
Isn't
warranted?
You
know
a
variety
of
things.
C
We
can't
have
a
rainbow
crosswalk,
because
we
can't
have
that
color
and-
and
you
know,
different
things
like
that.
A
lot
of
that
is
because
of
what's
in
the
matcd,
so
I'm
gonna
stop
there.
We
can
continue
to
talk
about
it
whenever,
maybe
whenever
it
comes
up
or
whatever,
but
there's
been
a
tremendous
nationwide
sort
of
engagement
with
agencies
and
things
like
that.
There's
coordination
with
nacto,
so
the
national
association
of
city
transportation,
officials
and
then
I'm
gonna,
stop
talking
now.
C
O
Sure
yeah,
so
I
am
not
an
expert
in
the
mtcd
either
I
am
a
planner
by
education,
but
being
in
mndot.
It's
it's
it's
a
largely
engineer,
based
organization,
and
I
was
a
part
of
the
technical
engineering
committee
that
that
reviewed
the
new
draft
of
the
mbtc.
So
I
do
have
some
opinions,
observations
and
those
types
of
things
like
matthew
said.
The
reason
why
we're
talking
about
this
is
because,
like
you
know
it's
it's
definitely
a
document
out
there
that
a
lot
of
it
can
be.
O
It
can
be,
there
is
interpretation
within
it
and
it
depends
on
the
organization
who's
interpreting
it.
So
engineers
with
minneapolis
may
interpret
it
a
little
bit
more
loosely
than
engineers
with
bin
dot,
just
because
of
different
cultures
that
exist
there,
and
so
that's
why
you
may
hear
different
types
of
answers
so
just
to
go
over
kind
of
some
like
points
of
like
what
maybe
how
the
mbtc
misses
the
mark,
the
existing
one
and
then
then
also
the
the
new
draft
as
well
is
what
I'm
referring
to.
O
I
think,
first
and
foremost
in
it
has
it
was
developed
for
vehicle
traffic.
There's
no
chapter
on
on
pedestrians.
Pedestrians
are
kind
of
sprinkled
throughout
the
whole
thing.
There
is
a
chapter
on
bicycling
in
the
draft.
Somehow
a
whole
new
chapter
got
added
on
autonomous
vehicles,
even
though
it's
only
like
five
pages
long
or
something
like
that,
but
yeah,
it's
it's
definitely
a
document
that
was
first
developed
for
vehicles
and
that's
why
organizations
like
nato
have
kind
of
just
called
for
a
whole
rewrite
of
that
document.
O
You
know
it
that
does
seem
like
pretty
pretty
extreme,
but
it
is
something
that
at
this
point
may
be
needed
and
so
like
the
ash
toe
documents,
so
that
the
the
big
engineering
document
that
looks
at
roadway
design,
which
is
different
from
this
one,
that
one
just
had
a
new
edition
and
people
called
for
a
rewrite
they.
They
went
ahead
and
kind
of
added
things
into
the
new
edition,
but
there
is
a
whole
new
rewrite
in
the
works
right
now
same
thing
with
mndot's
design
manual.
O
O
This
manual
says
crosswalks
have
to
be
this
color,
and
they
can
only
be
this
color,
because
people
might
loiter
in
them
loiter
in
the
crosswalks
and
take
pictures
in
them.
And
then
I
tell
people
we'll
go:
go
to
like
the
the
famous
beatles
crosswalk.
That's
just
a
standard.
Crosswalk
people
take
pictures
of
that
one
all
the
time
so
that
that
conversation
is
is
null,
but
it
yeah.
It
looks
it.
O
It
forgets
that
it
goes
through
places
and
and
like
these
tr
there's
businesses
and
houses
and
and
all
different
things
that
are
next
to
our
transportation
corridors
and
the
the
uniformity
of
the
manual
doesn't
really
account
for
that.
There's
no
way
a
good
way
of
of
incorporating
those
things
into
the
travel
way,
so
it
kind
of
takes
away
some
of
the
uniqueness
of
those
places.
O
I'd
say
another
thing
about
the
document
is
I
I
call
it
has
paternalistic
concerns
about
pedestrians
and
cyclists,
and
maybe
I'll
just
give
some
examples.
So
there's
a
there's,
some
new
definitions
for
pedestrians
and
for
cyclists,
and
in
this
next
version
I
think
they're,
new
or
they're,
just
slight
rewrites
pedestrians
are
defined
as
alert
and
attentive.
O
They
have
to
be
functioning
in
a
lawful
manner
appropriate
for
the
facility
and
on
and
on
and
on
so
like
those
are
what
the
target
road
users
are
supposed
to
be,
and
so
it
doesn't
really
account
for
like
it
does.
It
does
bring
in
disabilities,
but
it
doesn't
really
account
for
just
like
how
people
move
as
as
a
as
a
body-
and
you
know
the
different
sociological
things
behind
that.
The
same
thing
goes
for
for
cycling.
O
They
they
lump
cyclists
in
with
vehicle
traffic,
because
that's
kind
of
like
the
american
way
of
tr
treating
bicycle
traffic
is
limping
with
vehicles.
Not
pedestrians
also
says
cyclists.
You
know,
need
to
be
in
a
an
alert
in
the
tent
of
state
need
to
be
reasonable
and
prudent
need
to
be
in
a
lawful
manner.
O
So,
like
all
these
traffic
control
devices,
they
are
designed
around
the
fact
that
people
need
to
like
fit
these
definitions
in
order
for
the
system
to
work,
and
it
also
like,
as
far
as
going
back
to
the
paternalistic
piece
looking
at
like
how
there
are
certain
instances
where,
like
an
engineer,
can
kind
of
require,
like
a
cyclist,
to
use
a
two-stage
turnkey
box.
If
there's
too
many
traffic
lanes,
the
volumes
are
high
and
the
speeds
are
high.
O
I
think
one
of
the
one
of
the
really
big
pieces
that
is
that
this
manual
is
pretty
slow
to
react
to
changes
the
the
latest
edition
that
is
now
being
updated.
It
was
last
written
in
2009,
there's
been
some
interim
approvals
and
since
then,
but
then
the
manual
itself
hasn't
really
had
a
refresh
since
2009,
and
that
causes
a
lot
of
problems,
especially
for
for
cycling,
because
we
really
want
to
be
able
to
keep
up
with
what
we're
figuring
out
and
researching
is
new
and
improved
and
safer
and
more
comfortable.
O
There's
within
the
last
11
years.
There's
been
so
many
advancements
in
in
cycling
infrastructure
that
it's
kind
of
crazy
that
it
takes
that
long
to
get
this
manual
updated.
Some
of
that
is,
is
because
of
the
past
federal
administration
having
a
no
new
rules
policy,
but
it
just
in
general
that
the
document
does
take
forever
to
update
and
then
yeah,
and
then
I
think
the
very
last
thing
I
wanted
to
talk
about
is
like
there.
O
There
is
a
geometric
design
manual-
that's
separate
from
this,
but
this
this
manual
is
focused
on
the
paint
on
the
signs
and
on
the
signals,
those
things
that
control
traffic
traffic
control
devices
they're.
Not
it's
not
necessarily
a
manual
for
the
dimensions
for
these
things,
which
is
really
weird,
because
paint
sometimes
defines
what
a
bicycle
facility
is,
and
so
those
type
this
document
sometimes
overreaches
without
having
like
the
right
authority
to
do
so.
O
C
I
just
want
to
add
just
a
couple
more
quick
thoughts
and
then,
let's
maybe
maybe
wrap
it
up
too.
You
know
we're
trying
to
do
a
lot
with
bicycle
signalization
in
minneapolis
and
it's
very
hard
like
it's.
It's
a.
I
think
I
think
it's
like
there's
poor
guidance
and
poor
rules
in
the
mutcd,
where
it's
like.
Sometimes
we
just
want
green
to
mean,
go
and
like
you
know
that
paternalistic
thing
like
they
they
won't.
C
You
know
you
have
planners
and
engineers
and
advocates,
and
you
all
advisors
that
are
like.
We
should
do
this
and
then
it's
like
well,
we
can't
because
this
document,
so
those
are
just
some
more
examples
of
how
it's
problematic,
but
I
think
we'll
leave
it
there.
We
can
always
talk
about
this
more.
We
can
talk
about
it
as
it
comes
up
in
projects,
but
you
know
we
had.
We
told
you,
we
would
talk
about
this
and
we
finally
were
able
to
bring
it
to
you.
K
O
That's
a
really
challenging
part
about
it.
Is
you
can't
really
do
much
about
it?
There
was
a
comment
process
to
have
this
looked
at
a
few
months
ago,
and
we
like
mndot,
submitted
comments,
minneapolis
submitted
comments
and
all
these
different
organizations
enough
people
did
submit
comments
where
I
think
they
will
make
changes
but
yeah.
It's
it's
it's
hard
as
the
bac
to
to
do
so.
C
The
important
thing
bree,
though,
is,
I
think
part
of
it-
is
being
aware
of
what
the
problem
is,
so
that,
like
you
know,
when
there's
a
design
that
we're
wrestling
with,
we
may
say
like:
oh
the
met
cd
says
this,
and
so
maybe
we
need
to
brainstorm
ways
around
that,
or
maybe
you
could
encourage
us
to
like
jesse
said,
interpret
it
a
little
looser
than
we
are.
Maybe
or
like
you
know,
maybe
we
should
you,
you
can
do
requests
for
experiments,
so
I
guess
you
shouldn't
say
nothing.
That's
wrong.
C
O
Yeah,
if
we
can't
get
around
the
barrier
as
it's
written,
I
would
say
like
one
of
the
best
things
you
could
probably
do.
Is
we
say
no,
you
can't
do
it
because
metcd
say
well.
Can
we
try
to
push
for
a
request
for
experimentation
that
there
is
a
process
for
that
it
takes
a
while,
but
but
but
it
is
there.
O
B
N
Tyler,
hey
everyone.
I
was
asked
by
carrie
christensen,
who
is
another
planner
over
the
at
the
minneapolis
park
board
to
talk
about
the
great
co
park
survey
that
is
out.
I
just
put
the
survey
in
the
link
or
in
the
chat
it's
an
incredibly
long
link
apologize
for
that,
but
just
click
on
it
and
you
can
check
out
the
project
and
enter
in
any
of
your
thoughts
on
the
project.
N
So
graco
park
is
where
hall's
island
is
just
north
of
plymouth
avenue
bridge
on
that
east
bank
of
the
mississippi
river.
That's
where
we
built
the
the
new
island
and
so
kerry
and
others
are
looking
to
the
bac
and
the
pac
for
input
as
they
move
through
the
process
and
kerry
and
others
from
the
project
will
come
to
the
next.
Excuse
me,
the
august
base.
N
Excuse
me
the
august
5e
committee
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
it,
but
in
the
meantime
she
just
asked
me
to
share
with
you
the
the
survey
and
it'd
be
great
to
get
as
many
folks
interested
in
the
project
as
they
can
and
as
much
thought.
You
know
right
off
the
bat,
and
this
is
a
project,
that's
just
getting
started
so
give
it
some
ideas.
Thank
you.
K
G
B
So
we've
been
meeting
online
since
whenever
our
meetings
came
back
online
last
year,
I
think
it
was
around
july
or
august
after
a
couple
month.
Hiatus
and
a
lot
of
folks
in
a
lot
of
spaces
are
starting
to
go
back
in
person,
and
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
loop
folks
in
and
I
will
send
out
an
email
also
after
the
meeting,
because
we
had
a
number
of
folks
drop
off
early,
just
that
we
kind
of
don't
know.
What's
coming
as
a
committee
right.
B
Obviously,
the
clerk's
office
has
had
a
lot
to
say
in
interpreting
guidelines
that
are
coming
from
outside
the
clerk's
office.
We,
you
know,
we've
had
minneapolis
state
of
emergency,
we've
had
state
of
minnesota
state
of
emergency.
We
have
the
state
open,
meeting
law
mandate
right,
so
there
are
a
lot
of
different
things
that
have
sort
of
shaped
the
requirement
of
us
meeting
online
and
a
lot
of
those
things
have
rolled
out
very
quickly,
with
kind
of
no
advance
notice
to
all
of
us.
B
So
I
just
want
to
give
folks
kind
of
a
mental
heads
up
that,
like
I
am
expecting
sometime
in
the
next
three
to
six
months.
We're
gonna
be
having
this
discussion
about
going
back
in
person
and
it's
probably
going
to
be
a
pretty
reactive
discussion
to
decisions
that
are
made
at
levels
above
our
committee
and
potentially
above
the
city
or
accounting
for
things
above
the
city.
So
I
just
wanted
folks
to
be
aware.
B
K
B
Not
currently,
I
have
a
conversation
on
the
book
schedule
of
matthew
for
friday
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
that.
My
hope
is
that
we
could
have
a
virtually
scheduled
meeting
and
kind
of
all
log
in
from
our
various
phones
and
devices,
even
if
we
were
to
meet
up
in
person
and
then
be
done
with
the
meeting
and
go
on
a
bike
ride,
but
for
contacts
for
folks
who
don't
know
typically
august,
we
have
the
annual
bac
member
bike
ride
where
we
spend
the
first
15
minutes
or
so
on
business.