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From YouTube: August 10, 2021 Heritage Preservation Commission
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Additional information at
https://lims.minneapolismn.gov
B
Good
afternoon
welcome
to
this
live
broadcast
of
our
virtual
meeting
of
the
august
10th
2021
regular
meeting
of
the
minneapolis
heritage
preservation.
Commission.
This
meeting
includes
the
remote
participation
of
members
as
authorized
under
minnesota
statute,
section
13d
.021,
due
to
the
declared
local
health
pandemic
for
the
record,
my
name
is
madeleine
sundberg
and
I
serve.
C
B
E
G
G
B
B
Item
number
four
is
306th
avenue,
north
and
608
3rd
street,
north
ward
3
certificate
of
appropriateness.
This
item
will
be
discussed.
Item
number
52218,
first
avenue,
south
ward
10.
This
is
the
nomination
for
national
register
listing.
This
item
will
be
discussed
and
item
number
six.
The
upper
harbor
terminal
redevelopment
will
be
discussed.
E
D
B
G
B
Seven
years,
thank
you.
The
agenda
is
approved.
Our
next
order
of
business
will
be
to
approve
the
minutes
from
our
july.
27Th
2021
meeting
may
have
a
motion
to
approve
those
minutes,
so
move
strugglers.
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Strothers.
Is
there
a
second
biernberg?
Second,
thank
you,
commissioner.
Bjorn
berg.
Any
discussion.
G
Sorry
folks,
I
really
hope
you
can't
hear
that
airplane
it
just
go
over
my
nose
with
that,
commissioner
bjorn
berg.
E
B
B
We
will
take
each
agenda
item
in
order.
First,
planning
staff
will
present
its
report
and
commissioners
may
ask
questions
of
staff.
Then
you'll
hear
from
the
applicant
commissioners
may
ask
questions
of
the
applicant
and
then,
if
it's
public
hearing
item,
I
will
open
the
public
hearing
be
owned
by
public
comment.
B
B
B
J
Good
evening,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
my
name
is
john
smoley
and
I'm
pleased
to
be
before
you
this
evening
to
present
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
rehabilitate
the
buildings
and
establish
a
master
sign
plan
at
306th
avenue,
north
and
608
3rd
street
north
next
slide.
Please,
the
properties
are
currently
known
as
the
cj
duffy
warehouse
and
the
fog
paper
company
building.
J
The
subject
property
is
a
part
of
the
minneapolis
warehouse,
historic
district
line
in
the
20th
century.
Warehouse
portion
of
the
district
they're,
located
at
the
northwest
and
southwest
corners
of
the
6th
avenue
north
and
3rd
street
north
with
thin
privately
owned
lots
to
the
rear
of
each
building.
J
The
industrial
bridge
that
you
can
see
here
on
the
upper
right
hand
corner
the
photo
in
the
upper
right
hand
corner
this
bridge
between
the
subject.
Buildings
was
constructed
in
1953.
After
the
end
of
the
district's
period
of
significance,
but
the
district's
design
guidelines
make
it
clear
that
industrial
bridges
must
be
preserved.
J
Next
slide,
please,
the
property
owner
cedar
street
has
purchased
the
buildings
and
is
using
state
and
federal
historic
rehabilitation.
Tax
credits
to
renovate
them.
The
national
park
service
and
minnesota
state
historic
preservation
office
have
approved
with
conditions
parts
one
and
two
of
their
application.
J
J
J
Next
slide,
please
staff
has
received
one
comment
letter
from
the
neighborhood
group
on
the
proposed
project.
They're
supporting
the
proposal
and
you've
received
this
as
part
of
your
staff
report
packet.
No
new
comments
have
been
received
since
the
publication
of
the
staff
report,
as
condition
this
proposal
meets
all
required
certificate
of
appropriateness
findings.
J
Those
recommended
conditions
of
approval
all
relate
to
portions
of
the
proposal
that
don't
comply
with
the
city's
local
design
guidelines,
the
warehouse,
historic
district
design
guidelines
and
the
hpc's
design
guidelines
for
on-premise
signs
and
awnings.
For
this
reason,
I'll
focus
my
presentation
upon
those
particular
areas.
J
J
A
windowless,
non-historic
industrial
bridge
extends
over
third
street
north
from
the
third
story,
the
hall
hardware,
building
to
the
third
story
of
the
newell
building.
As
you
can
see
in
the
bottom
photo,
the
bridge
has
a
steel
structure
formed
of
beams
with
precast,
concrete
panels
forming
the
floor
and
a
corrugated
metal
ceiling
with
a
built-up
roof.
The
interior
has
stucco
walls,
the
exteriors,
clad
and
metal
panels
and
the
words
cj
duffy
paper
company
are
painted
on
the
east
and
west
walls
of
the
bridge.
J
Instead
of
preserving
this
industrial
bridge,
the
applicant
proposes
to
convert
it
to
a
skyway
which
you
can
see
depicted
in
the
rendering.
Above
though,
the
signage
proposal
has
changed.
Since
that
rendering
was
prepared,
the
applicant
will
propose
to
first
remove
all
the
metal
panels
from
the
east
and
west
sides
of
the
bridge.
J
Then
aluminum
frame
insulated
glass
curtain
walls
will
be
installed.
The
frames
will
line
up
with
structural
columns
inside
the
bridge.
New
metal
panels
will
wrap
the
steel
structure
at
the
top
and
bottom
of
the
bridge,
and
installation
will
be
added
in
these
areas.
The
metal
panels
will
be
a
dark,
neutral
color.
J
Furthermore,
the
applicant
proposes
to
install
14
window
signs,
totaling
420
square
feet
in
area
in
the
skyway
windows,
which
will
partially
obscure
views
into
and
out
of
these
windows.
The
proposal
is
in
conflict
with
the
design
guidelines.
The
staff
would
recommend
the
project
be
conditioned
to
not
permit
exterior
alterations.
The
industrial
bridge
to
include
new
signage,
beyond
repairs
with
matching
materials.
J
J
Since
all
plan
sheets
depicting
such
work
don't
explicitly
state
this,
while
the
minneapolis
warehouse,
historic
district
design
guidelines
don't
provide
guidance
regarding
lighting,
the
applicant
proposes
to
install
simple
wall
sconces
in
reasonable
numbers
on
the
elevations
of
both
buildings,
staff
recommends
the
project
be
conditioned
to
require
wall
sconces
and
accompanying
conduit
conduit,
be
it
fixed
through
mortar
joints.
Only
this
standard
condition
of
approval
will
ensure
that
the
lighting
is
as
reversible
as
possible
as
illumination
technology
and
styles
change
over
time.
J
When
considering
the
replacement
of
historically
significant
windows,
new
windows
shall
be
compatible
in
material
type
style,
operation,
sashes,
size
of
lights
and
number
of
panes
of
the
existing
windows.
In
that
location,
two
divided
lights
are
required
when
replacing
a
divided
light
window
and
where
true
divisions
are
not
possible.
Applied
muntins
with
an
interstitial
spacer
will
be
considered,
but
applied.
Mutants
shall
be
installed
on
both
sides
of
the
glass
internal
buttons
alone
are
not
allowed.
J
Staff
will
note
that,
on
the
hall
building
all
existing
steel,
industrial
style
windows
on
all
facades
are
also
proposed
to
be
removed.
Those
are
indicated
in
blue
on
the
slide
before
you
only
windows
on
rooftop
editions
and
the
tower
highlighted
in
very
dark
green
in
the
upper
portion
of
each
elevation.
Here,
only
those
windows
will
be
repaired.
J
J
As
you
can
see,
that
is
a
very
large
number
of
windows.
Now
the
owner
investigated
options
to
restore
the
steel
windows
and
to
install
interior
storm
windows
with
them.
The
applicant
consulted
a
steel
window,
restoration
expert
who
determined
that
reusing
the
windows,
even
those
requiring
relatively
few
repairs,
wouldn't
be
feasible
for
the
project.
Since
the
applicants
wish
to
install
internal
storm
windows
for
climate
control,
the
expert
contended
that
storm
windows
accelerate,
moisture
retention
and
historic
wind
deterioration.
J
The
applicant
cites
the
failure
of
similar
steel,
industrial
style
windows
at
a
nearby
warehouse
district
building
and
the
subsequent
hpc
approval
of
their
replacement.
In
february
2020..
The
nearby
building
is
known
as
elsewhere
house,
but
historically
known
as
the
scriver
andrews
warehouse
at
730,
washington
avenue
north.
J
These
windows
have
withstood
successfully
withstood
roughly
a
century's
worth
of
minnesota's,
weather
and
staff
recommends
this
for
the
following
reasons.
Distortion
and
condensation
seem
to
be
the
main
problems
correlated
with
operable
industrial
steel
window
rehabilitations.
In
the
applicant's
analysis
now,
in
terms
of
distortion,
the
scriber
andrews
warehouse's
windows
appear
to
be
roughly
twice
the
area
of
the
hall
building's
windows.
J
J
The
applicants
report
notes
that
the
use
of
interior
storm
windows
worked
when
primary
sashes
were
rendered
inoperable,
and
this
is
certainly
an
option.
Indeed.
The
applicant
proposes
to
install
some
fixed
windows
and
it's
important
to
note
that
the
minneapolis
warehouse,
historic
district
design
guidelines
don't
require
historic
windows
to
remain
operable
in
instances
where
interior
storms
were
installed
and
fixed
industrial
steel
sashes
with
pivoting
portions
remain
operable.
J
The
report
notes
that
condensation
built
up
and
damaged
masonry,
but
staff
would
point
out
that
weeps
have
been
successfully
employed
to
keep
condensation
and
precipitation
from
damaging
windows
and
masonry.
For
many
years
now,
aluminum
frame
industrial
style
windows
are
proposed
to
be
installed
in
the
historic
window.
Openings
on
the
basement,
through
eighth
stories,
where
industrial
steel
windows
historically
appeared.
J
The
applicant
has
selected
windows
whose
size
setback
and
mutton
patterns,
both
interior,
exterior
and
interstitial
nearly
match.
Those
attributes
of
the
former
steel
windows
most
but
not
all,
of
the
windows
on
the
east,
south
and
west
facades
will
have
operable
awning
sections
to
resemble
the
historic
awning
and
horizontal
center
pivot
industrial
steel
windows
on
the
building
restored
window.
Openings
on
the
north
facade,
which
about
the
private
property
line,
shall
possess
fixed
fire
resistance,
rated
units,
this
1.2
inch
1.25
inch
thick,
solid
glazing,
will
have
muntins
applied
to
the
exterior
surface
of
the
glazing.
J
J
The
minneapolis
hpc's
design
guidelines
for
on-premise
signs
and
awnings
state
that
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
is
required
for
signed
writing
proposals
that
don't
conform
to
the
design
guidelines
in
determining
whether
to
approve
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
a
sign
or
auditing
proposal.
The
hpc
will
consider
special
situations,
including
building
condition,
building
orientation,
historic
precedence
and
exceptional
design
proposals.
J
J
The
buildings
themselves
have
historically
possessed
a
variety
of
signage.
In
addition,
historic
photographs
show
that
there
is
precedent
in
the
warehouse,
historic
district
for
substantially
more
signs,
higher
signs
and
second
floor.
Awnings
then
are
allowed
by
the
guidelines.
The
minneapolis
hpc's
design
guidelines
for
on-premise
signs
and
awnings
in
terms
of
signs
attached
to
skyway
bridges
and
intended
to
be
read
from
the
public
right-of-way.
J
This
proposal
is
in
conflict
with
both
the
historic
district
design
guidelines,
as
well
as
the
sign
guidelines,
and
the
applicant
hasn't
demonstrated
that
the
bridge's
condition
the
bridge's
orientation
or
an
exceptional
design
proposal
warrant.
This
deviation
from
the
guidelines,
while
the
applicant
has
demonstrated
that
signage
has
existed
on
the
industrial
bridge
since
the
1960s
they
haven't
demonstrated
that
such
signage
existed
on
an
industrial
bridge
in
the
district
during
the
district's
period
of
significance
from
1865
to
1930..
J
Their
placement
on
a
skyway
that
no
one
can
directly
access
from
the
street
clearly
demonstrates
the
staff
that
these
signs
solely
serve
as
advertising,
not
identification
or
wayfinding.
Staff
has
already
recommended
that
the
project
be
conditioned
to
not
permit
exterior
alterations
to
include
new
signage
to
the
industrial
bridge,
beyond
repairs
with
matching
materials.
J
Now
many
of
the
science
standards
listed
in
the
hpc's
guidelines
aren't
addressed
in
the
master
sign
plan,
and
this
is
quite
common
until
specific
tenants
with
a
specific
signage
needs
occupy
the
buildings,
some
signage
attributes
will
just
remain
unknown.
For
this
reason,
staff
recommends
the
project
be
conditioned
to
apply
a
standard
condition
of
approval,
requiring
signs,
follow
all
standards
of
the
minneapolis
hpc's
design,
guidelines
for
on-premise
signs
and
awnings,
unless
otherwise
specified
by
the
adopted
master
sign
plan.
J
For
these
reasons,
the
department
of
community
planning
and
economic
development
recommends
that
the
heritage
preservation
commission
adopt
staff
findings
for
the
properties
located
at
306th,
ave,
north
and
608
3rd
street
north
in
the
warehouse,
historic
district
and
approve
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
rehabilitate
these
buildings
and
establish
a
master
side
plan.
Subject
to
the
conditions
of
approval
listed
in
the
staff
report.
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
dr
smoly.
My
question
is,
I
think,
a
procedural
question,
a
threshold
question
and
that
relates
to
the
statement
in
your
report
that
the
national
park
service
and
the
minnesota
state
historic
preservation
office
have
approved
with
conditions
parts
one
and
two
of
the
application.
K
J
Madam
chair,
commissioner
strothers:
that's
a
great
question.
Staff
has
not
identified
any
conflict
at
this
point,
but
recognize
that
the
conditions
that
the
national
park
service
and
the
state
historic
prison
preservation
office
have
applied
are
fairly
general.
At
this
point,
those
will
have
to
be
fleshed
out.
Staff
has
been
working
diligently
with
the
applicant
and
staff
appreciates
the
applicant's
responsiveness.
J
We
have
gone
back
and
forth
a
number
of
times
on
this
application,
and
I
know
that
both
they,
the
applicant
team
and
staff,
really
do
want
to
see
this
application
approved
without
any
changes
required
after
the
state
and
federal
governments
have
reviewed
all
amendments
related
to
conditions
of
approval
for
that
tax.
Credit
application.
K
J
B
Okay,
I
will
now
open
the
public
hearing
for
this
item.
I
believe
the
applicant
is
here
to
speak.
In
fact,
I
see
a
whole
list
of
six
people
from
the
applicant
team,
I'm
not
sure
which
order
you
all
would
like
to
speak
in.
But
if
you
could
press
star
six
on
your
phone,
wait
to
hear
the
pre-recorded
message
to
activate
your
microphone,
so
we
can
hear
you
and
then
state
your
name
and
address
the
record,
I'm
going
to
kind
of,
let
I
assume
you
guys
have
an
order.
You
want
to
talk.
B
L
L
L
I
will
be
presenting
tonight:
tim
grimms
will
hopefully
be
presenting
as
well
mark
heffron
from
cedar
street
and
then
three
of
our
architects
working
on
the
project,
mike
critch,
joe
brown
and
jeremiah
smith,
I
believe,
are
on
the
line.
If
there
are
any
questions
from
the
commission
once
we
make
our.
L
Okay,
I'm
going
to
give
okay
tim,
just
messaged
me
to
say
his
star
6,
unfortunately,
is
not
working,
so
if
it
would
be
okay,
if
the
clerk
could
please
pull
up
the
slides
that
we
submitted
earlier,
we
can
see
them
great
and
I
apologize
since
I'm
presenting
without
being
able
to
see
them
at
the
same
time,
while
speaking,
but
so
thank
you,
commissioners
for
for
allowing
us
to
make
a
presentation
this
evening.
L
If
you
could
please
advance
to
slide
two,
and
I
know
that
dr
smoly
has
made
a
great
presentation
to
you
all.
I
just
want
to
present
another
view
of
the
two
buildings
in
question
in
relation
to
the
neighborhood.
So
on
slide,
two,
our
architects
have
helpfully
labeled
each
building
hall
hardware,
which
is
the
taller
building,
also
popularly
known
as
falk
paper,
and
then
the
newell
building,
which
is
the
shorter
building
across
the
street,
which
I
don't
think
really
has
a
name
currently
in
the
popular
culture
in
minneapolis.
L
The
commission-
I
know,
has
also
seen
this
view
before,
but
today
we're
asking
you
again
to
look
at
the
two
historic
buildings
in
the
foreground
and
as
staff
noted,
we
are
proceeding
through
the
historic
tax
credit
process
and
we
have
received
conditional
approval
from
the
national
park
service
with
great
help
from
our
state
historic
preservation
office.
Reviewer,
we
were
able
to
negotiate
the
very
oh
god.
C
G
I
G
My
apologies
cher
sunburg.
I
picked
up
some
feedback
on
the
line
and
I
was
going
through
the
numbers
and
I
accidentally
muted
the
speaker.
So
hopefully
she
can
get
back
on.
That
is
totally
my
fault
and
I
apologize.
M
Well,
this
is
actually
marked
and
it
comes
on
as
well.
I
had
to
call
back
in
my
star
sticks
wasn't
working
either.
Thank
you.
It's
all
present,
finally,
and
tim
was
going
to
enter
the
project
and
then
hand
it
over
to
liz
for
a
few
of
the
technical
components
of
our
argument.
So
tim,
I'm
I'm
on
now
as
well
I'll.
Let
you
do
your
thing
thanks
for
hanging
out.
Thank
you
guys.
N
B
N
Let's
go
back
to
slide
one
okay
apologize
again,
I
don't
know
when
I
hung
up.
I
don't
know
where
we
left
off,
but
again.
Thank
you,
everybody
for
your
time
tonight
and
thank
you,
dr
john
smoly,
for
your
presentation.
N
Again.
My
name
is
tim
grimms.
I
am
with
cedar
street
the
development
manager
and
the
owner's
rep
for
the
project
mark
heffern,
who
just
spoke
as
well,
he's
a
managing
partner
with
cedar
street
the
developer
for
the
project.
Liz
gales
who
you
just
spoke
to
she's
a
historical
consultant
from
hess
royce
mike
critch,
is
also
on
the
line
from
bkb
group.
They
are
the
architect
and
engineer
of
record
for
the
project
and
same
with
jill
brown
from
bkb
bkb
group,
the
architect
engineer
of
record
for
the
project
aside.
Please.
N
So
our
same
team
presented
the
new
construction
building
located
246
seventh
avenue
north
during
the
july
27th
hpc
meeting
two
weeks
ago.
So
we
have
the
full
band
back
here
tonight
again.
That
building
is
one
of
the
three
buildings
included
in
our
overall
development
plan.
N
N
N
Both
buildings
are
being
proposed
for
death,
reuses
from
industrial
warehouse
to
mixed-use
multi-family,
with
heavy
amenities
and
over
the
past
year,
we've
carefully
navigated,
the
full
national
park
service,
historic
tax
credit
process
and
recently
obtained
our
formal
part,
two
conditional
approval,
inclusive
of
the
rooftop
additions
slide.
Please.
N
As
we
previously
mentioned
two
weeks
ago
and
then
earlier,
these
three
buildings
play
significant
roles
in
our
overall
development
plan.
The
hall
hardware,
building
the
larger
building
on
the
slide,
will
include
250
apartments
parking
in
the
basement,
retail
at
the
ground
floor
and
amenities
on
the
roof.
N
N
The
building
will
also
include
apartments
and
a
roof
addition
with
an
ice
rink.
As
you
can
see,
the
new
construction
buildings
review
two
weeks
ago
will
provide
the
apartments
a
significant
amount
of
parking
to
support
the
overall
development
plan
and,
overall,
the
development
will
offer
350
new
apartments,
40
000
square
feet
of
new
retail
space
and
325
parking
spaces,
a
beautiful
adaptive,
reuse
of
the
existing
buildings,
with
a
nod
to
the
north
loop
slide.
Please.
N
L
Hi,
this
is
elizabeth
again,
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
we
can
great.
That
was
quite
an
exciting
way
to
start
our
presentation.
So
thank
you
for
your
patience
and
I
just
want
to
clarify.
We
are
on
slide
four.
Is
that
what
the
commission
can
see?
Yes,
it
is
great,
so
we've
put
together
a
lovely
little
connection
of
past
present
and
hopefully
future
visions
for
the
streetscapes
at
these
buildings
and
we're
very
excited
about
the
engagement
that's
going
to
occur
with
the
sidewalks,
which
will
bring
a
lot
more
life.
L
So
the
project
team
would
like
to
state
that
we
agree
with
most
of
the
staff
recommendations,
but
we
are
tonight
asking
the
commission
to
consider
alternatives
to
to
conditions
number
two
and
number
five
in
the
staffs
list
of
recommendations.
L
We
are
still
proposing
to
install
glazing
on
both
sides
of
the
bridge,
but
we
are
proposing
not
to
have
any
signage
at
all
on
the
skyway,
and
that
is
noted
in
the
rendering
on
the
right
next
slide.
Please
so
in
slide
number
six,
you
can
see
another
view
of
the
interior.
This
one
helpfully
shows
the
artificial
lighting
that
is
used
and
what
the
bridge
looks
like
when
the
lights
are
turned
on.
It
is
still
a
fairly
dark
bridge.
L
The
experience
in
this
bridge
compared
to
say
a
traditional
skyway
bridge
in
other
parts
of
downtown
minneapolis.
The
ceiling
is
quite
low
and
I
will
tell
you
that
when
the
lights
are
off,
it
would
make
a
really
great
haunted
house
situation,
especially
when
the
lights
are
not
on
in
the
other.
Buildings
also
wanted
to
provide
a
photograph
from
1967
in
the
upper
right
looking
down
third
street.
L
This
is
a
great
view
from
the
special
collections
at
the
central
library
showing
the
a
previous
sign
that
was
on
the
bridge
for
our
own
hardware,
and
I've
included
a
close-up
in
the
lower
right,
and
I
apologize
to
staff.
I
thought
that
this
was
painted
on,
but
it
turns
out
that
the
signage
is
actually
metal
that
has
been
screwed
in
to
the
side
of
the
bridge
and
the
our
own
sign
from
the
1960s
and
70s
was
also
screwed
in
in
the
bit
of
this
close-up.
You
can
see
that
a
little
bit
of
the
ramp.
C
G
L
Okay,
yeah.
Sorry,
I
don't
know
that
was
an
interesting
sound.
Could
you
please
advance
to
slide
seven.
L
L
This
adding
glazing
to
the
walls
will
add
significant
natural
light
into
the
bridge,
which
will
make
it
a
more
pleasant
experience
for
the
attendants.
L
Also,
we
want
to
point
out
that
more
important
to
the
character
of
the
historic
district,
swapping
out
the
solid
panels
on
the
sides
with
clear
glazing
will
actually
allow
people
on
the
sidewalks
and
in
the
street
to
see
through
the
bridge
and
to
continue
the
vista
looking
down
the
street
from
either
end
as
you
travel
down.
Third
street,
you
will
still
get
a
sense
that
an
industrial
bridge
is
there,
but
you
will
have
the
the
visual
continuity
through
the
street
will
be
continued,
which
we
think
is
of
a
benefit
to
the
historic
district.
L
I
would
like
to
note
that
the
national
park
service
has
approved
the
replacements
of
the
panels
with
glazing.
I
know
that
that
is
not
relevant
to
the
local
district.
L
However,
if
the
hpc
should
agree
to
our
clear
glazing
proposal
without
the
signage,
it
will
would
be
very
simple
for
us
to
update
our
tax
credit
application
to
reflect
the
same
condition
with
the
national
park
service.
So
please
do
not
allow
that
decision
to
hold
you
back
tonight.
L
We
hope
that
you
would
consider
allowing
us
to
put
the
clear
glazing
onto
the
bridge.
I'd
like
to
ask
if
any
other
of
my
team
members
would
like
to
speak
to
this
item
before
I
move
on
to
the
other
condition.
L
L
L
L
All
of
the
extent
historic
steel
windows
that
were
salvageable
were
repaired,
they
were
sealed
shut.
They
were
also
braced
because
of
wind
load
and
interior
storm
windows
were
installed
and
I've
included
an
interior
shop
below
the
exterior.
So
you
can
see
what
a
restored
window
with
interior
storm
looks
like
on
that
building.
L
L
So
in
that
case,
having
the
interior
storm
window
with
the
operable
section,
allowing
you
know
cold
or
heat
to
come
in
that
creep,
that
added
to
the
build
up
of
condensation
between
the
storm
window
and
the
historic
window
and
sped
up
the
resting
of
the
only
recently
restored
windows,
the
window
contractor
at
the
time
national
window
who
had
restored
the
windows
spoke
very
eloquently
about
the
challenges
that
they
faced
and
that
basically,
over
the
next
you
know
few
years
they
would
have
to
continuously
repair
the
historic
windows,
because
the
conditions
were
would
continue
to
repeat
themselves
on
that
building
and
at
that
meeting
in
2020
the
hpc
begrudgingly.
L
L
So
we
have
here
tonight
the
hall
hardware
building
popularly
known
as
falk
paper.
This
building
has
two
predominantly
types
of
steel
windows.
I
also
want
to
note
that
some
of
the
windows
have
been
replaced
with
cow
wall,
which
are
the
sort
of
semi-transparent
translucent
windows
that
you
see
on
the
lower
stories,
and
some
openings
have
also
been
in-filled.
L
It's
the
windows
are
located
relatively
high
in
the
wall
and
they
do
allow
a
limited
amount
of
light
into
the
building
having
these
windows
operable,
and
you
can
see
actually
in
the
picture
that
one
of
the
windows
is
partially.
Cracked
is
something
that
the
owner
feels
is
very
important
going
forward.
Given
the
unusual
size
of
these
openings,
these
openings
are
a
lot
smaller
than
most
of
the
other
windows
that
you've
seen
on
similar
buildings
in
the
slide
before
the
other
type
of
window.
L
Style
is
only
present
on
the
8th
story
and
there
are
only
10
windows
total
on
the
building.
This
is
a
much
taller
unit
with
a
smaller
middle
section
that
operates.
It
is
very
similar
in
style
to
the
windows
on
the
else
warehouse,
and
you
can
see
that
it
is
on
the
east
side
and
also
on
the
north
side,
overlooking
a
private
alley,
and
then
there
is
an
interior
photograph
so
that
you
can
get
a
sense
of
the
height
of
that
window
in
relation
to
the
interior
space
next
slide,
please.
L
So
for
the
shorter
windows,
as
dr
smoly
mentioned,
there
is
a
central
pivot.
The
bottom
portion
of
the
window
swings
outward
and
the
top
part
of
the
window
comes
inward.
L
Now,
the
owner,
the
previous
owners
to
the
building,
had
installed
on
some
of
the
windows,
framing
that
allowed
them
to
put
plastic
or
fiberglass
panels
on
the
interior
to
help
block
breezes
that
were
coming
from
the
windows
over
time
and
you
can
see
in
the
the
lower
central
photo
that
there
is
a
wood
framing
piece
in
place.
L
I
do
want
to
note-
and
you
can
see
this
in
both
these
photographs-
that
these
windows
were
located
in
the
larger
openings
all
along
the
eighth
floor.
L
We
do
feel
very
strongly
that
in
our
winter
climate,
an
interior
storm
window
is
needed
for
steel
windows
of
this
age
and
type
to
have
good
energy
efficiency
many
times
or
most
times
the
apartment.
Tenants
are
the
ones
who
pay
for
the
heating
and
cooling
costs
of
their
units,
and
so
we
do
not
want
to
transfer
a
just
a
steel
window
with
no
interior
storm
and
the
lack
of
energy
efficiency
directly
to
the
apartment.
L
The
resident
that
is
not
fair,
as
I've
noted
above
there
have
been
previous
historic
projects
that
have
had
very
good
good
use
of
fixed
steel
windows
with
interior
storms.
We
know
that
they
work
on
midtown
exchange
where
the
historic
windows
have
been
retained,
and
we
know
that
they
work
on
ford
center.
L
We
think
that
replacing
the
steel
windows
with
historic
replicas,
we
know
that
doing
this,
while
pursuing
historic
tax
credits
will
allow
the
owners
to
invest
more
money
in
replacement
windows
that
will
last
for
several
decades
and
will
do
a
better
job
of
matching.
What
the
historic
appearance
looks
like,
which
will
help
maintain
the
historic
character
of
the
building
in
the
long
term.
M
Thanks
liz
again
mark
heffern
here
representing
the
applicants,
I
had
star
six
issues
earlier.
Can
you
guys
hear
me.
M
Great
great
great
great
thanks
again
for
hearing
us
out,
you
know
this
is
you
know
the
the
bigger
part
of
our
development
plan,
these
two
historical
structures
I
talked
about
that
two
weeks
ago
and
we're
in
front
of
you
guys.
M
Most
of
the
heavy
lifting
as
it
relates
to
housing,
and
although
the
newer
building
also
incorporates
a
number
of
units,
it's
doing
more
of
the
heavy
lifting,
as
it
relates
to
the
amenity
package
that
this
overall
development
plan
offers
people
within
these
buildings
tim
mentioned
a
little
bit
I'll
say
it
again.
You
know
we're
gonna
try
to
have
a
very
authentic
rooftop
experience
on
top
of
the
newel
building
with
an
ice
rink.
The
newer
building
will
also
have
a
small
bowling
lane.
M
It
will
have
a
virtual
reality
room,
a
golf
simulator,
all
that
good
stuff,
a
really
big
gym,
co-working,
all
the
meaningful
new
modern
day
amenities.
I
bring
that
up
just
to
emphasize
the
fact
that
there
will
be
significant
traffic
back
and
forth
throughout
this
building
through
the
skyway.
M
We
anticipate,
you
know
a
number
of
people
using
it
and
we
want
it
to
be
inviting
as
possible,
obviously
and
then,
and
then
secondarily,
and
of
more
importance
to
me.
You
know
the
whole
hardware
building
is
is
where
a
majority
of
the
units
in
our
development
plan
will
will
kind
of
live
and
as
it
relates
to
windows.
I
know
liz
spent
some
time
talking
about
energy
efficiency,
but
I
just
got
a
hit
on
kind
of
livability.
M
I
think
that
the
windows
survey
that's
been
referenced
in
our
application
is
grossly
misleading.
I
really
do
I
think
that
the
the
way
in
which
it
it
grades,
the
condition
of
the
window,
does
not
take
into
consideration
the
the
the
obvious
adaptive
reuse
nature
of
our
development
plan.
Here,
it's
it's
it's.
M
It's
almost
referencing
these
window
units
as
if
they
remain
industrial,
and
I
I
personally
agree
that
if
the
if
the
windows
were
welded
shut
and
the
building
remained
in
an
industrial
use,
that
they'd
be
repairable,
but
as
it
relates
to
providing
a
comfortable
home
for
someone
to
live
in,
and
I'm
expecting
500
people
to
be
living
in
this
development
overall
between
the
three
buildings,
I
just
do
not
think
anyone's
gonna
be
comfortable
in
the
winter.
This
is
our
sixth.
This
is
cedar
street
six
historical
task,
foreign
project.
M
In
the
last
five
years,
we
have
significant
experience
with
with
this
conversation,
as
it
relates
to
having
the
conversation
more
so
with
the
national
park
service.
Obviously,
and
we
have
buildings
where
we've
compromised
and
we've
restored,
building
or
restored
window
units.
You
know
one
example
is
a
project
called
the
lawrence
house
in
chicago
in
the
uptown
neighborhood
of
chicago.
We
restored
all
of
these
second
floor
windows
and
we
have
replacement
windows
elsewhere.
M
Everyone
on
the
second
floor,
every
winter.
During
that
cold
snap,
when
it
when
it
breaks
zero,
is
asking
to
move
it's
it's.
You
know,
there's
two
space
heaters
plugged
into
outlets
all
over
the
place,
which
is
not
right
in
the
teen
in
its
own
right,
but
they
all
want
to
move
out
of
their
unit
they're
looking
for
a
different
place
to
live
every
winter,
it's
not
comfortable.
It's
not.
Okay.
M
The
energy
efficiency
is
obviously
a
factor
that
liz
liz
brought
up
so
as
it
relates
to
the
adaptive
reuse,
nature
of
this
project
and
the
fact
that
you
know
we
think
of
building
with
dislodgement
investment
should
have
operable
windows
in
in
these
units.
You
know
we're
strongly
advocating
for
replacement
it's
worth
mentioning
that
I
want
to
address
a
question.
M
One
of
the
commissioners
asked
dr
smalley
at
the
onset
we
you
know,
liz
did
mention
the
national
park
service
has
approved
the
glazing
in
the
skyway
and
then,
as
it
relates
to
the
windows.
We
do
have
a
condition
with
them
that
that's
one
thing
that
we're
bringing
back
to
them.
I
want
to
be
clear
on
that.
You
know
we.
They
expect
us
to
come
to
them.
M
With,
with
with
this
argument,
we're
getting,
you
know
very
positive
feedback
from
historical
consultants
and
including
others
that
aren't
on
this
line
and
and
people
in
the
shipper
community
that,
when
you
have
100,
plus
year
old
steel
window,
that
advocating
for
replacement
in
this
case,
you
know,
is
a
manageable
request
with
the
park
service
and
and
had
these
been
wood
windows,
you
know,
we'd
be
we'd,
be
strictly
talking
about
storms
and
there'd,
be
there'd,
be
there'd,
be
no
there'd,
be
no
replacement
conversation,
but
because
these
are,
you
know,
old,
often
warped,
problematic
steel
windows
and
and
trying
to
repair
them
for
residential
use.
M
You
know
that
we
have
a
very
strong
okay,
so
all
the
other
conditions,
with
our
application
for
what
it's
worth
are
very
boilerplate
and
standard.
The
rest
of
our
application
is
is
has
been
very
vetted.
We
have
a
lengthy
part,
two
review,
including
the
visibility
of
our
roof
decks
and
our
rooftop
additions.
All
of
all
of
the
rust,
the
scope
in
our
project
has
been
heavily
reviewed
and
worked
through.
M
The
windows
has
kind
of
remain
our
one
condition
that
we
have
left
to
work
through
with
the
park
service
and
they're
prepared
to
have
the
conversation
with
us
here
moving
forward.
So
I
wanted
to
answer
that
question
more
thoroughly
and
with
that
I
again
thank
you
guys
for
hearing
us
out
we're
very
excited
to
to
be
in
the
north
loop
already
with
with
our
first
venture
on
the
500
block
of
washington.
That
opens
up
this
winter
here
in
the
first
quarter,
and
you
know
we're
ecstatic
about
this
project.
M
This
development
will
be
even
bigger
and
we,
you
know,
politely,
ask
the
commission
to
reconsider
conditions
two
and
five
to
allow
us
to
put
lazy
in
the
skyway
and
to
allow
us
for
replacement
windows
in
the
hall.
All
structured
thanks
again
for
your
time
appreciate.
B
I
don't
see
any
questions
of
the
applicants.
I
would
like
to
check
that
there
is
no
one
else
in
the
queue
who
wishes
to
speak
for
or
against
this
item.
If
so,
if
you
could
press
star
six-
and
let
me
know
that
you're
there.
B
Okay,
seeing
none,
I
will
close
the
public
hearing
on
this
item.
Commissioners,
let's
discuss:
are
there
any
questions
or
comments,
concerns
on
the
proposed
application,
because
I'd
like
to
start
by
saying
that
I'm
really
excited
to
see
the
rehabilitation
of
these
buildings
moving
forward?
I
know
that
we
have
seen
several
iterations
of
this
area
and
redevelopment,
and
so
I'm
I'm
really
excited
to
see
them
going
forward
here.
B
I'm
curious
what
other
people
think
about
the
two
conditions
that
the
applicant
has
asked
us
to
consider
with
a
more
narrow
focus,
the
skyway,
the
industrial
bridge.
I
guess
I
feel
like
eliminating
the
signage
does
address
one
of
the
big
concerns
that
staff
pulled
out
in
their
report,
although
I
think
switching
it
to
glazing
from
a
solid
will
look
quite
different.
B
I
also
understand
why
somebody
cutting
between
the
two
buildings
to
go
to
the
pool
might
not
want
to
walk
through
that
dark,
creepy,
hallway
and
then
the
windows.
I'm
curious.
What
other
people
think?
Because
I'm
wondering
I'm
looking
back
and
forth
here
at
the
plans
to
try
to
figure
this
out
if
there
are
any
historic
windows
in
good
condition
that
are
in
the
non-residential
unit
spaces?
B
Because
I
noticed
on
the
plan
that
there
is,
you
know
like
a
gym
and
sort
of
like
some
community
spaces
and
I'm
wondering
if
we
could
kind
of
walk
a
middle
line
and
allow
replacement
in
residential
units,
but
keeping
them
in
the
more
public
spaces.
But
I'm
I'm
trying
to
flip
through
the
drawings
here.
So
I'm
hoping
that
somebody
else
has
some
thoughts
on
all
this
that
they
can
bring
forward.
F
I
always
feel
like
I'm
the
first
one
to
open
my
mouth,
so
a
couple
thoughts,
the
industrial
bridge.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
say
I
want
to
echo
what
you
just
said
about
the
development.
It's
really
exciting
to
see
this
happening.
This
is
a
huge
effort
and
you
guys
have
put
a
lot
of
of
work
into
both
the
new
construction
design,
as
well
as
this
rehab,
and
so
thank
you.
F
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
great
facility
on
the
end,
and
I
look
forward
to
seeing
it
lively
again
in
relation
to
the
industrial
bridge.
F
I
am,
I
am
more
apt
to
eliminate
that
condition
and-
and
part
of
my
reasoning
is,
is
the
fact
that
our
our
design
guidelines
are
a
bit
conflicting
on
that,
so
within
the
design
guidelines
it
talks
about.
If
you
you're
supposed
to
treat
non-contributing
buildings
as
though
their
new
construction.
F
It
specifically
says
that
the
skyways
were
that
the
sky,
the
the
bridges
were,
were
built
after
the
period
of
significance,
and
then
it
says
that
you
need
to
preserve
them,
and
I
see
that
that
progression
is
just
a
huge
conflict
waiting
to
happen,
and
here
we
are
so
I'm
I'm
more
apt
to
allow
that
change,
especially
knowing
that
the
park
service
has
allowed
it.
That
means
it
technically
meets
the
standards.
It's
just
not
meeting
our
design
guidelines,
which
I'm
seeing
as
having
a
conflict.
F
When
it
comes
to
the
the
windows,
I
feel
a
little
differently
and
it's
good
to
know.
Thank
you
for
clarifying
that,
there's
a
condition
that
you
you
still
need
to
work
through
that
with
the
park
service.
F
I
think
our
design
guidelines
are
very
clear
on
this
matter
and
even
going
to
the
to
the
secretary
of
interior
standards,
you
know
when,
when
historic
fabric
has
to
be
compromised
due
to
an
amenity
that
is
tied
to
a
use,
it
calls
into
question
whether
or
not
an
appropriate
new
use
has
been
found,
and
that
is
rehab
standard
number
one.
F
So,
although
we
can't
regulate
use,
that's
not
the
purpose
of
the
preservation
commission,
we
can
regulate
and
we
have
through
the
design
guidelines,
how
the
historic
fabric
is
affected
by
that
use,
and
I
think
that
dr
smalley's
condition
is
is
right
on
when
looking
at
our
our
design
guidelines.
So
I
would
be
curious
whether
or
not
somehow
that
condition
might
be
able
to
be
altered
to
somehow
refer
back
to
the
tax
credit.
So
if
the
park
service
were
able
to
come
back
and
say
you
know,
replacement
of
certain
windows
would
meet
the
standards.
F
Is
there
some
way
we
could
tie
our
condition
to
the
tax
credits
that
creates
a
whole
other
can
of
worms?
But
I
I
do
like
your
thoughts
as
well
about
seeing
if
we
can
condition
it
so
that
certain
windows
are
preserved
in
the
end,
like
I
said,
this
is
tied
to
an
amenity.
That's
that's
created
by
a
new
use,
and
this
is
a
a
copper
by
a
proposed
compromise
to
historic
fabric
and
it
it
goes
against
rehab
standard
number
one
in
my
mind.
So
those
are
my
thoughts.
H
Well
thanks
barbara
thanks,
commissioner
howard,
for
always
being
the
first
to
speak
up.
I
actually
really
appreciate
that
point.
I
think
that,
in
terms
of
the
item
about
the
industrial
bridge,
I
would
say
that
again
hearing
that,
maybe
not
adding
that
signage
definitely
makes
me
a
little
bit
more
inclined
to
say
to
to
get
rid
of
that
condition.
H
The
the
window
piece
is
a
little
bit
hard.
You
know,
I
appreciate
all
of
the
information
about
looking
into
sort
of
the
longevity
and
the
actual
impact
of
those
historic
windows
within
the
spaces,
but
you
know,
commissioner,
howard,
is
right
about
about
that
whole
use
thing
and
so
yeah.
H
I
would
be
in
agreement
if
there
was
some
way
that
we
could
tie
that
to
the
park
service
decision
or
look
into
if
there
is
a
way
to
say
in
some
of
these
spaces
or
in
some
areas,
I'm
trying
to
also
look
a
little
bit
more
at
that
window
survey
to
figure
out
when
it
was
done
and
sort
of
are
those
still
actually
the
the
conditions
or
are
they
worse
or
sort
of?
How
is
there
that
disconnect
between
there.
B
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Bjorn
berg,
I'm
still
just
like
frantically
flipping
back
and
forth
through
drawings.
Here.
Hopefully,
there
are
some
other
commissioners
who
would
like
to
speak
about
this
item,
because
maybe
I'll
I'll
send
a
question
back
to
john.
How
feasible
do
you
feel
like
it
would
be
to
re-structure
the
window
condition
to
accommodate
any
allowances
in
the
tax
credit
process
if
they
say?
Okay,
yes,
that's,
okay,
you
know
is:
is
there
some
way
to
kind
of
tie
our
condition
to
theirs.
J
No,
that's,
okay.
You
know
at
the
staff
level,
we've
we've
talked
about
doing
just
this,
because
these
are
parallel
process
processes,
they're,
lengthy
processes,
their
complex
processes.
J
J
To
my
knowledge,
I
don't
know
if
you
know
andrea
burke
has
wants
to
chime
in
here
with
other
experiences,
but
I'm
not
aware
of
the
minneapolis
hpc
doing
this
in
the
past
through
a
condition
of
approval.
Thank.
O
Yeah,
hey
andrea
burke
supervisor
for
the
cpap
preservation
team.
I
just
as
I'm
listening
and
my
thoughts
on
it.
I
would
just
be
cautious.
I
get
worried
about
tying
this
too
much
to
a
federal
and
state
process
where
we
have
very
different
regulations
at
this
point,
and
you
know
to
john's
point.
Yes,
this
is
very
complicated
complicated.
O
This
is
something
we
discuss
a
lot
when
we
have
projects
that
are
tax,
credit
related
coming
through
hpc
and
they're
submitted
at
the
same
time,
or
in
this
case,
where
there's
already
been
some
conditions
of
approval
sent
on
by
the
park
service
in
the
state,
but
it's
going
back
and
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
I
I
would
be
I'll,
be
completely
honest.
I
would
be
really
hesitant
to
do
that
because
I'm,
I
could
see
it
going
south
in
multiple
directions
and
I
would
rather
keep
them
separate
than
then
tie
them
together.
O
There
are
other
ways
I'll
just
without
going
into
too
much
detail
right
now
that
I
know
our
staff
is
trying
to
brainstorm
ways
that
we
can
try
to
make
this
smoother
on
all
fronts
so
that
we
don't
have
projects
that
have
to
keep
coming.
That
may
have
to
come
back
if
there's
a
major
difference,
so
that
is
my
two
cents
on
it.
I
it
makes
me
uneasy.
J
And
madam
chair,
if
I
could
just
you
know
getting
back
to
a
question
commissioner
strothers
had
previously,
I
would
point
out
too
that
the
way
the
staff
condition
is
written
now
is,
you
know
substantially
similar
to
what
the
park
service
and
the
state
historic
preservation
office
have
approved.
J
So
if
I
guess
what
I'm
trying
to
say
is,
if
you
know
all
you
know,
if
the
tax
credit
application
is
amended,
that
would
impact
the
you
know.
Staff's
recommended
condition
of
approval,
but
as
written
staff's
condition
is
very
much
in
line
with
what
the
park
service
has
approved,
with
conditions.
F
Thank
you
yeah.
Thank
you
for
clarifying
that
both
andrea
ann,
dr
smoly,
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
that
we
approve
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
rehabilitate
the
buildings
and
establish
a
master
sign
plan
subject
to
the
conditions
as
written
in
our
agenda
striking
condition.
Number
two
related
to
the
industrial
bridge.
F
B
B
I
just
want
to
say
in
my
flipping
back
and
forth
of
the
drawings.
It
looks
like
to
me
that
all
the
historic
windows
that
are
being
replaced
are
in
residential
units,
so
my
idea
of
walking
it
in
between
would
not
work,
so
I
think
I
I
support
this
direction.
Thank
you,
commissioner
howard
for
making
your
motion
any
any
other
discussion.
E
B
J
J
Located
in
the
whittier
neighborhood,
the
alano
society,
clubhouse
of
minneapolis
consists
of
one
contributing
and
zero
non-contributing
buildings
on
one
tax
parcel
located
mid-block
between
22nd
and
24th
avenue.
South
the
clubhouse
is
an
l-shaped
building
composed
of
three
segments:
a
three-story
shingle
style
residence
constructed
in
1887,
a
two-story
hipped
roof
brick
garage
constructed
in
1916.
J
next
slide.
Please
and
a
two-story
flat
roofed
reinforced
concrete
block
edition
constructed
in
1950
that
connects
the
house
and
garage.
The
building
was
designed
by
master
architect,
william
chan
in
whitney
and
the
shingle
style
of
architecture,
but
neither
are
related
to
the
property
significance
next
slide.
Please.
J
Next
slide,
please,
after
the
island
of
society
of
minneapolis,
acquired
the
former
residence
of
wealthy
industrialist
john
washburn
in
1942,
minneapolis
2218
utilized
the
building
for
its
member
meetings
and
occasional
regional
events
and
notable
speakers
with
the
cooperation
of
the
allen
society
of
minneapolis.
The
clubhouse
at
2218
first
avenue
south
also
acted
as
an
information
hub
for
alcoholics
anonymous
chapters
in
the
greater
minneapolis
area
through
its
members,
engagement
with
alcoholics
in
minneapolis
and
the
surrounding
region,
minneapolis
2218's
influence
extended
beyond
its
members
and
alcoholics
anonymous
itself
to
the
broader
community.
J
Next
slide,
please
the
building's
period
of
significance
spans
from
the
date
the
society
acquired
the
current
property
in
1942.
Shortly
after
its
founding
through
1968,
when
some
of
the
clubhouse's
coordinating
functions
passed
to
the
minneapolis
alcoholics
anonymous
intergroup
next
slide,
please,
the
property
retains
integrity.
The
alano
society
of
minneapolis
and
alcoholics
anonymous
have
occupied
the
clubhouse
continuously
since
1942,
allowing
the
property
to
retain
integrity
of
feeling
and
association
in
particular.
J
Staff
recommends
the
heritage
preservation
commission
adopt.
This
cped
report
approve
the
national
registered
nomination
for
the
alano
society,
clubhouse
of
minneapolis
at
22,
18,
first
avenue
south
and
during
staff
to
transmit
a
letter
summarizing
this
report
to
the
state
historic
preservation
office.
I'm
available
for
any
questions
you
may
have.
B
John,
I
was
curious,
and
maybe
I
just
missed
it
in
this.
What
what
spurred
this
designation
request
is
this
coming
from
the
owner?
I
was
just
curious
how
it
popped
up
on
our
radar.
J
Yes,
this
was
submitted
by
the
owner
or
on
behalf
of
the
owner
by
new
history.
Okay,.
B
I
don't
see
any
at
this
time.
I
don't
believe,
there's
any
no.
There
wouldn't
be
there's
no
applicant.
So,
commissioner,
discussion
are
there
any
concerns
comments
about
this
proposed
application?
I
found
it
to
be
a
really
interesting.
Read
it's
not
an
area
of
history.
I
was
particularly
familiar
with,
and
so
I
I
thought
it
added
an
interesting
and
different
kind
of
building
to
the
national
register
in
our
area.
P
I
think
this
is
some
really
great
social
history
to
preserve,
I
experienced
the
clubhouse
in
farewell.
My
grandfather
was
a
member
there
and
for
his
pin
nights
and
stuff
and-
and
you
really
could
get
a
sense
of
how
important
the
meeting
space
was
for
the
members.
So
I
think
this
is
a
big
part
of
our
history
recovery
in
minneapolis
and
minnesota.
So
I
think
it's
a
great
way
to
acknowledge
it.
E
E
Yes,
I
will
make
a
motion
to
adopt
or
approve
my
agenda.
P
B
J
G
B
Q
Good
evening,
everyone
sorry
I
haven't
been
to
hpc
for
a
long
time.
So
thank
you
for
having
me
I'm
hilary
devark,
I'm
a
planner
in
what
department
am
I
in
and
cped
with
the
city
of
minneapolis?
Excuse
me
here
to
present
or
introduce
you
to
or
reintroduce
some
of
you
to
the
upper
harbor
terminal
project
that
the
city
is
involved
in
and
the
slide.
Q
I
don't
have
a
lot
to
present
to
you
tonight,
and
so
I
wanted
to
really
have
a
focus
on
just
a
conversation
and
questions
and
comments
from
all
of
you,
but
I
will
give
just
a
brief
overview
of
what
is
in
the
memo
that
was
prepared,
and
so
what
is
on
your
screen
tonight
is
the
the
development
plan.
That's
included
in
the
coordinated
development
plan.
Q
The
proposed
development
would
include
residential
uses,
hospitality
uses,
retail
and
service
spaces
office
and
employment,
buildings,
light
industrial,
an
outdoor
community
performing
arts
center,
otherwise
known
as
the
music
venue
or
the
amphitheater
and
then
19.5
acres
of
parkland
next
slide.
Please.
Q
Thank
you.
So
this
slide
shows
you
an
overview
of
the
land
involved
in
this
redevelopment
project.
The
area
highlighted
in
yellow
or
within
the
dashed
yellow
line,
I
should
say,
are
the
53
acres
of
land
and
what
is
shown
in
green
then,
is
the
park,
and
we,
I
highlighted
this
specifically
because
most
of
the
structures
that
sit
on
the
site
are
contained
within
that
parcel.
Parcel,
too,
is,
is
what
we
call
it,
and
so
this
site
is
located
on
the
western
bank
of
the
mississippi
river
in
north
minneapolis.
Q
It's
generally
bounded
by
40th
avenue
on
the
north,
the
mississippi
river
in
the
east,
33rd
avenue
north
on
the
south
and
then
the
cp
rail
second
street,
north
I-94
and
first
street
north
on
the
west
prior
to
the
use
of
this
site.
As
a
barge
shipping
terminal,
there
had
been
lumber
yards
and
mills
on
the
site,
and
then
it
was
the
site
was
also
used
for
commercial
gardens
on
the
site
or
the
portion
of
the
site.
Excuse
me
between
washington
and
I-94
had
been
had
included,
homes
and
small,
commercial
and
industrial
buildings.
Q
So
the
upper
hybrid
terminal
has
been
previously
evaluated
for
national
register
eligibility
and
potential
local,
historic
designation
as
a
historic
district
through
three
previous
studies,
and
we
provided
links
to
those
in
the
memo.
The
studies
concluded
that
the
upper
harbor
terminal,
inclusive
of
its
monolithic
domes,
were
not
eligible
for
listing
the
national
register.
Q
Next
slide,
please,
these
are
just
pictures
of
the
upper
harbor
terminal
site,
as
you
would
would
see
them.
Today,
the
site
is
active,
as
I
said,
they
are
still
using
the
site
for
for
storage
of
commodities
that
come
by
rail
or
truck
the
city
is
conducting
an
environmental
review
for
this
site.
Q
We
are
doing
an
alternative
urban
area-wide
review
or
an
aur
as
part
of
this
process
and,
as
noted
above,
the
city
has
been
in
consultation
with
the
shipa
regarding
the
national
register
of
historic
places,
eligibility
of
the
site
as
part
of
the
background
work
that
we
have
been
doing
for
the
project.
We
have
hired
nina
cultural
consultants
who
completed
a
phase,
one
archaeological
literature,
review
of
the
upper
harbor
terminal
site
and
further
investigation
is
going
on
right
now.
Q
So
for
next
steps,
as
concluded
by
the
shippo,
the
site
is
not
eligible
for
national
register,
listing
as
a
historic
district
on
its
own.
However,
it
has
been
identified
as
potentially
eligible
as
the
city
of
minneapolis
local
historic
district
through
a
third
party
historical
consultant.
The
city
is
currently
conducting
the
historic
evaluation
of
the
upper
harbor
terminal
site
under
local
designation
criteria.
Q
The
study
the
city
is
preparing
will
focus
only
on
evaluating
the
upper
hybrid
terminal
site
as
a
local,
historic
district
and
the
monolithic
domes
as
individual
landmarks
under
the
city's
local
designation.
Excuse
me,
evaluation
criteria.
Q
We
are
looking
for
comments,
concerns
or
questions
about
the
project,
the
site
or
any
of
the
studies
that
we
are
currently
doing,
and
I
will
stand
for
any
questions
and
I'm
hoping
this
can
be
a
dialogue
to
amongst,
amongst
the
commission,
to
kind
of
tease
out
some
of
your
questions
or
your
thoughts
on
this
project.
B
Thank
you,
hillary.
It's
great
to
see
you
again.
We
haven't
seen
you
in
quite
a
while.
I'm
glad
to
see
this
one
come
back
before
us.
I
was
on
the
commission
when
it
came
before,
and
I'm
really
happy
to
hear
that
you're
doing
the
the
archaeological
look
at
the
site,
as
well
as
the
consultant
looking
at
the
historic
resource
potential
here.
B
Thinking
back
to
our
previous
discussion,
which
I
guess
was
years
ago
at
this
point,
I
believe
it
was
okay.
Q
B
I
know
that
I
personally
would
still
love
to
see
this
as
a
locally
designated
site.
I
think
that
it's
has
some
really
cool
potential.
I
kind
of
envisioned
as
a
park
that
it
could
kind
of
be
like
gas
works
park
out
of
seattle
that
I
think,
there's
a
love
of
seeing
industrial
sites
and
and
morphed
into
the
sort
of
like
landscape
that
it
seems
that's
been
a
big
trend.
I
think
people
really
enjoy
it
and
I
think
it
would
make
it
kind
of
a
cool
place
in
the
city.
B
I
am
curious,
especially
what
our
new
commissioners
think,
since
they
haven't
gotten
to
see
this
one
come
before
us
before
and
before
it
was
like
very
early
preliminary
thoughts,
which
it
seems
like
it's
taken
just
a
little
step
past
that
at
this
point,
so
commissioners
discussion,
thoughts,
questions,
commissioner,
nystrom.
R
I
agree
with
you
sunberg
that
I
kind
of
would
like
to
see
this
as
a
local,
designation
and
kind
of
turn
into
a
park,
but
that
again
is
my
personal
plan.
I've
been
to
gas
works.
I
agree
with
you.
I
think
it's
a
really
cool
kind
of
trend,
and
I
think,
especially
in
that
area,
would
be
nice
to
have
park
space
right
along
the
river
as
well,
so
that's
kind
of
where
I'm
leaning
on
this
is
basically
disagreeing
with
you.
R
B
Thank
you,
commissioner,
nystrom,
and
I
believe
the
idea
is
that
it
would
be
a
park.
I
think
the
question,
at
least
when
we
talked
about
this
last
time,
was
how
many
of
those
structures
would
remain
in
the
sort
of
park
space
and
how
many
would
be
demolished.
I'm
not
sure
hillary.
If
there's
been
any
more
refinement
on
which
buildings
they're
thinking
of
keeping
versus
demolishing.
Maybe
you
can't
tell
us
that
yet.
Q
Q
If
you,
if
we
could
have
whomever,
is
running
the
slides,
if
we
could
go
back
to
the
first
slide
in
the
presentation,
it
does
give
an
overview
and
it
does
show
some
of
those
structures
remaining
now.
What
is
what
has
I?
I
don't
believe
that,
this
time
that
the
domes
would
be
stained,
we
have
lost
one
of
the
four
domes
that
were
on
this
site.
Q
It
was
heavily
damaged
and
needed
to
be
removed
by
one
of
the
tenants
on
the
site,
and
that
happened
over
a
year
ago
at
this
point
and
so
that
the
northernmost
dome
has
been
lost,
the
other
three
domes
and
all
of
the
other
structures
still
remain,
and
obviously
what
our
intention
with
a
demolition
permit
would
be
to
come
back
with
you
with
the
list
of
you
know
the
inventory
forms
and
the
listing
of
contributing
non-contributing
properties
on
the
site
with
a
map,
then
that
correlates
to
what
we
would
or
would
not
be
keeping
or
what
the
park
board
would
or
would
not
be
keeping,
but
that
specific
detail
isn't
known
yet,
but
there
is
planning
going
into
efforts.
Q
You
know
to
keep
some
of
those
structures
and
reuse
them,
but
it
would
not
be
the
whole
collection
I'm
just
given
that
they
occupy
a
large
amount
of
the
space
that
is
intended
to
be
open
park,
land,
and
so
the
park
board
is,
you
know,
knows
of
you
know.
From
the
beginning,
we've
talked
about
the
site
as
a
local,
historic,
district
or
eligible
to
be
designated
and
have
really,
you
know,
have
had
good
conversations
about.
Q
You
know
maintaining
elements
of
this
existing
site
to
be
able
to
allow
one
to
infer
what
was
happening
there,
and
so
our
intention,
as
I
was
with
where
I
was
going,
is
that
we,
you
know
when
we
come
forward
with
the
demolition
permit.
We
would
have
a
specific
plan
showing
what
would
be
saved
and
what
would
be
proposed
to
be
demolished
and
then
a
mitigation
plan
that
would
speak
to
to
those
structures
or
buildings
that
would
be
coming
down.
F
Welcome
back
hillary,
it's
good
to
see
you!
Thank
you.
I
just
have
a
quick
question.
I
don't
know
if
it's
a
quick
question,
so
as
I
was
reading
this,
I
got
a
little
confused.
We've
got
the
one
district,
that's
part
of
a
larger
district.
F
The
smaller
district
is
not
eligible
for
the
national
register
individually,
but
it
is
a
contributing
resource
to
the
larger
district,
which
means
it's
a
historic
property.
The
study
that's
being
done.
The
designation
study
is
that
just
to
this
for
the
smaller
district
and
are
we
running
it
going
to
run
into
an
issue
where
we're
trying
to
designate
something
that
that
doesn't
stand
on
its
own,
but
it
does
contribute
to
something
larger,
and
so
do
you
see
us
running
into
any
problems
along
those
lines?
F
Should
we
be
studying
that
larger
district
as
a
local
designation?
I
keep
on
thinking
of
so
many
times.
We
look
at
houses,
you
know
in
in
potential
historic
districts,
just
as
the
little
tiny
house
and
it's
not
going
to
stand
on
its
own,
but
we
have
a
much
larger
district.
I'm
just
curious
if
you're
seeing
any
problems
coming
down
the
line
related
to
that
on
this.
O
Thank
you,
you
could
probably
answer
it
better,
hillary,
but
and
how
we're
looking
at
it
in
this
larger
district.
Commissioner
howard
is
like
hillary,
it's
correct
me,
foreign
miles
and
it
it
goes
expands
outside
of
the
city.
There
are
so
many
sites
that
are
included
in
it
and
it's
been
a
kind
of
a
back
and
forth
with
the
state
office,
but
as
sort
of
hillary
had
put
forward
very
briefly
in
her
memo
I
mean
the
larger
upper
harbor,
historic
district,
and
I
know
the
terminology.
O
Should
there
be
a
section
106
trigger
that
comes
forward
and
I
think
that's
still
very
much
up
in
the
air
at
this
point
there
has
been
nothing
concrete
at
this
point
in
terms
of
the
federal
trigger,
but
for
the
auar
process,
that's
kind
of
how
looking
at
it
and
approaching
it
and
going
through
that
aoa
process
and
looking
at
the
larger
one.
I
don't
see
there
being
an
issue
with
looking
at
the
smaller
upper
harbor
terminal
site,
because
the
way
it's
been
studied
over
the
past
goodness
almost
20
years,
I
mean
it.
O
O
As
sort
of
you
know,
to
do
their
due
diligence
and
to
you
know,
stay
ahead
that
you
know
we
have
this
collection
of
resources
on
this
very
large
piece
of
land
that
there
is
a
redevelopment
proposed
for
and
seeing
you
know
how
does
this
hold
up
to
local
criteria,
because
to
this
point
it's
always
just
been
recommended
as
potentially
eligible,
but
all
right,
let's
really
look
at
it
and
see
how
it
holds
up,
but
I
don't
see
the
connection,
at
least
on
the
local
level,
because
it
would
be
so
big
that
and
the
larger
area
hasn't
been
studied
or
looked
at
for
local
just
because
of
financially
probably
the
sheer
size
of
the
upper
harbor
area.
F
Yeah,
it
does
make
sense,
and
I
would
just
caution
that,
as
as
that
designation
study
comes
together,
that
that
becomes
very
clear
within
the
designation
study.
I
I
honestly
had
a
tough
time
understanding
it.
Just
from
your
memo,
I
went
and
downloaded
a
bunch
of
other
reports
to
page
through
and
correspondence,
and
I
know
it's
a
very
complicated
property.
So
if
the
designation
study
can
talk
about
that
in
any
way
so
that
it
makes
clear
when
it
comes
before
us,
we
truly
understand
you
know
your
your
conclusions
on
on
the
memo.
F
Hillary,
are
you
know
it's
not
eligible
for
listing
the
national
register
as
an
individual
district?
Well,
that's
true,
but
it's
a
contributing
resource
in
a
national
register
eligible
district
and
and
that
gets
lost
in
in
those
statements
and
I
think
it'll
become
confusing
as
we
go
forward.
Looking
at
all
of
the
potential
demolitions
and
redevelopment,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
it's
really
clear
in
the
designation
study
coming
forward
that
association
with
that
larger
district
and
if
that
larger
district
extends
well
beyond
the
bounds
of
of
minneapolis
jurisdiction.
Obviously
we
can't
deal
with
it.
F
So
as
long
as
it's
clear
in
the
designation
study,
I
think
we'll
be
okay.
B
Q
I
guess
I
would
say
I
encourage
everyone
to
go
and
read
the
reports
that
we
included
links
for
in
the
memo.
It
will
give
you
some
good
background.
Reading.
Q
And
it's
you
know,
knowing
that
we'll
be
bringing
something
forward
to
you
for
demolition
by
the
end
of
this
year.
It
would
be
maybe
good
to
start
reading
those
now.
So
you
have
that
background
information,
because
there
are
three
already
and
there
will
be
a
fourth
plus
the
archaeological
reports
that
we
are
having
prepared
right
now
and
they.
B
It's
weird:
it's
a
pdf.
It
gets
a
little
wonky
any
any
other
commissioners.
Q
But
within
there
you
know,
one
of
the
one
of
the
areas
of
study
within
the
aur
is
is
historic
resources
and
there
is
a
whole
section
on
that
and
it
links
to
the
mitigation
plan
that
has
been
prepared
thus
far
with
the
information
that
we've
been
able
to
collect
in
the
timeline,
to
the
point
that
we're
at
right
now,
and
so
you
can
you'll
get
a
glimpse
into
some
more
detail.
I
get
you'll
you'll,
see
more
detail
in
those
two
reports
that
we
could
have
spoon
fed.
Q
You
50
page
memo
on
this
project
today,
but
we
wanted
to
keep
it
shorter
and
and
simpler.
Just
so
we
didn't
inundate
you,
but
I
do
want
to
encourage
you
to
if
you
have
time
to
to
maybe
read
through
those
different
those
four
different
studies
that
are
available
right
now
that
pertain
to
this
site,
because
it
may
help
clarify
things
or
it
may
use.
You
know
bring
forward
questions
that
you
all
would
have.
B
I
don't
see
any,
but
thank
you
for
coming
to
present
and
we'll
look
forward
to
seeing
you
again
when
this
comes
back.
Of
course,.
Q
B
And
this
doesn't
require
any
sort
of
motion.
No,
so,
okay!
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
That
concludes
our
discussion
items.
Are
there
any
announcements
or
new
commission
business
to
discuss
andrea?
Do
you
have
any
announcements
for
us.
O
Yeah,
just
very
briefly
just
to
let
everybody
know
that
we
did.
We
were,
I
think
I
mentioned
this
last
time,
but
we
were
awarded
a
clg
grant
and
it
is
for
the
it
is
for
a
resurvey
of
the
washburn,
fair
oaks,
historic
district
to
help
identify
contributing
and
non-contributing
resources.
I
know
this
is
something
that's
been
on
our
list
for
many
many
years
and
it's
sort
of
a
pre-emptive
or
is
the
first
step
before
we
go
in
and
eventually
revise
the
design
guidelines.
O
So
we
will
be
putting
that
forth
out
for
an
rfp
relatively
soon,
also
just
a
notice
that
we,
I
think
today
is
the
closing
day,
but
we
did
put
out
an
rfp
for
the
trust
grant
that
we
received
last
year
for
a
consultant
team
to
conduct
the
community
engagement
for
as
the
first
step
of
an
african-american,
historic
context,
study,
and
I
think
I
had
mentioned
last
time.
O
I
would
reach
out
by
email,
so
I
don't
put
everybody
on
the
spot
on
television
here,
but
looking
for
volunteers
to
come
and
attend
some
of
those
meetings.
I
think
things
are
changing
initially,
maybe
they
were
going
to
be
in
person,
then
they
were
going
to
be
virtual.
O
Then
it
was
going
to
be
both
and
then
now
I
don't
know
it's
going
to
be
considering
the
way
the
world
is
moving
right
now,
but
that
said,
we
would
love
to
have
some
volunteers
to
sit
in
on
some
of
these
meetings
just
to
be
present
to
hear
what
people
have
to
say
to
you
know,
represent
the
heritage,
preservation,
commission
and,
and
everything
that
you
do
so
I
would
say,
email
to
me,
but
my
time
is
very
touch
and
go
right
now.
O
I
probably
do
to
be
out
any
day
here,
but
in
the
interim
the
person
heading
up
that
project
is
rob
skolucky,
so
feel
free
to
to
reach
out
to
him.
You've
been
copying
me
too
I'll,
probably
also
still
just
be
checking
emails
along
the
way.
As
so,
I
can
stay
on
top
of
my
inbox,
but
that
I
believe,
was
all
I
have
for
updates,
but
thank
you
everyone.
I
will
probably
not
be
here
at
the
next
meeting.
O
As
I
said,
kimberly
will
be
taking
my
face
as
staff
representation,
for
this
group
still
see
rob
and
john
and
I'll
be
back
in
a
few
months.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
andrea,
I
hope
you're,
I
don't
know.
I
hope
everything
goes
smoothly
in
your
in
your
time
away
from
us
any
other
announcements.
B
I
don't
see
any
so
with
that
we've
completed
all
items
on
the
agenda
for
this
meeting.
I
will
again
ask
members
and
staff
if
there
are
any
other
matters
to
come
before
this
meeting.